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15 Dec 2022 17:24:24
"Asked for an update on the sale of United, he (Glazer) told the outlet, "It's not necessarily a sale, it's a process and we're going forward with the process, so we'll see what happens. "
When he was pushed for further updates about how many interested parties had made themselves known already, he added: "I'm here to really watch the World Cup but I appreciate your interest. That's the update, it's the process and the process is proceeding. "
Loose lips sink ships, eh? Or, no offers yet?
1.) 15 Dec 2022 19:03:26
Shawthing,
The cynic in me think he’s was over there in business. He doesn’t give a damn about football, he wouldn’t be able to tell you the United players left.
2.) 15 Dec 2022 20:31:51
The Glazers have been to something like 6 United games in 17 years. No chance he was in Qatar to watch the world cup. He was there on business.
3.) 18 Dec 2022 08:37:42
They were there to watch Man Utd in the Soccerball World Cup Superbowl Finals.
29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.
In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.
1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.
2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.
3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.
I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.
This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.
i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.
GGMU.
26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.
I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.
1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.
2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.
3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.
4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.
5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.
6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.
7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.
8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.
9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.
Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.
02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.
The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.
We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.
1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.
We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "
2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.
I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.
He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.
13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.
Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:
1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and
2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.
Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.
1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!
Lucas Moura maybe?
On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!
We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!
2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.
3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.
4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.
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27 Nov 2023 06:02:59
I think it's highly unfair to take out the malfeasance of the club's owners with regard to FFP etc on the fans. Maybe the owners should have to put up a bond to guarantee fair play. and additionally, if titles and prize money have been earned by cheating they should be rescinded. If that makes investing in clubs less attractive so be it. If I were an Everton fan I'd be pissed too.
1.) 27 Nov 2023 09:37:33
So you think it's unfair to punish the club for the mistakes made by the club?
Literally the only way to punish fans is to ban them from grounds a 10 point deduction in no way shape or form impacts the fans it impacts the club and those that own/ run it.
Everton admitted what they did the argument isn't that they shouldn't get anything the argument is maybe 10 points is a little excessive based on the fact they co-operated and admitted what they did, but again a points deduction is not punishing fans.
2.) 27 Nov 2023 09:59:56
Yeah don't send bank Robbers to jail because it is not fair on their kids.
I seen it all now?.
3.) 27 Nov 2023 15:58:10
Brooks90. It's the bosses that do the crime, and it's the fans that take the punishment. And i'm dead certain that we would all be bitching and moaning if the same thing were to happen to us as a result of mismanagement of the club's finances by the owners.
4.) 28 Nov 2023 09:41:28
Shaw, the fans aren't taking a punishment they can still support the club still go to games in fact this will probably see them be more vocal in support but the fans haven't been punished.
The fans are upset because they care about the club and they want prem football but the fans haven't been stopped from doing anything they normally would so they haven't been punished.
27 Nov 2023 06:01:00
So utterly shocked was I when Garnacho's shot went in that I threw my computer to the floor. Now if only he can start putting in a few of the easier chances. Two similar moves, with passes by Bruno to Martial for a penalty and a goal. Three goals for attackers. a pretty remarkable day. Of course there was that period up until half time where we were lucky not to concede. Mainoo's brilliant clearance aside, it was more down to poor shooting than great defensive skills. It very much felt that the pattern of being overwhelmed in midfield was repeating itself. Rashford remains a disappointment. It's astonishing how often he gives the ball away.
Great to have Shaw back. We have missed him maybe more than any other player. We also need to hand it to Maguire who really has stepped up to the plate. It's a good job we didn't let him go. I I have been guilty of criticizing him, but in the EPL it's been 5 wins out of 6 with him at the heart of the defense, and 3 clean sheets in a row. Can't say fairer than that.
Perhaps the biggest change of fortune today was a VAR decision that quite correctly got decided in our favour. That second goal sealed the win.
1.) 27 Nov 2023 07:04:58
same here I was a bit stunned as it was just a freak thing and still can't believe he did that given how far out he was even attempting it.
If you want to see another unbelievable goal watch greenwood's goal this past weekend, absolute screamer. Getafe players reaction says it all.
2.) 27 Nov 2023 09:35:31
I think that goal was literally the first stunning Utd goal I can remember for years. Can't remember the last time I got off my seat watching Utd other than to hurl abuse at the screen. A wonder goal, a Rashy goal and a Martial goal. All in short supply recently. A great result although maybe flattered us a tad.
3.) 27 Nov 2023 10:09:08
I do hope Greenwood comes back, looks very good already, and still not up to 100% after the long pause he had.
4.) 27 Nov 2023 11:21:51
So whether Greenwood plays well or not is what determines whether he returns to Utd or not? Hmm.
5.) 27 Nov 2023 12:10:08
And what does spenno?
Are we going to discuss something that charges were dropped for?
6.) 27 Nov 2023 15:29:58
It was perceived that he would be public enemy no.1 at each and every ground he played it, and maybe from a portion of the Utd home crowd too, and that we could do without another circus. Seems weak to backtrack based on one wonder goal.
But, as I said at the time, he's exactly the player we could use, and if he's innocent then of course he should be able to play for us. But we know exactly how things are, there'll be a a media backlash, his face will be plastered everywhere and he'll be public enemy number one, whether because he's a Utd player, or because his own fans don't want to be associated with him.
So again, I'd love to see it, but I don't.
7.) 27 Nov 2023 16:10:35
I was one who felt that we should take Greenwood back, but I don't want to re-litigate that issue. Suffice it to say, he's played 10x or so and scored 2 goals, one a magnificent strike. We all know he's capable of scoring great goals, but there's so much more to being effective at the top levels of the EPL week in week out than the capacity to score a blinder every now and then.
8.) 27 Nov 2023 23:39:49
Shawthing, he scored more than two and does have some assists as well. And Getafe isn't one of the strongest teams either. He is doing quite well.
Spenno, so what? After half a season, the crowd will get bored of it, like they did with Zouma and many other players.
I do believe if he has a great season, a lot of the fans will change their opinion.
9.) 28 Nov 2023 14:11:53
Well I'm on board with all that Trololo, an on-form Greenwood walks into the side and gives much-needed options up front. Will be interesting to see what happens, and whether Utd have simply always had the opinion that they would put him aside for a while and readdress another time.
13 Nov 2023 13:47:57
Chelsea v City was a brilliant game to watch. How I wish I could ever say the same about our encounters. Dreary and frustrating, but I dare say it wouldn't be so bad if we had one forward at least who started to take their chances. Hojlund seems jinxed. He had two great opportunities on Saturday. Garnacho and Rashford both seem to lose their cool when in sight of goal. We clearly need a new sports psychologist because, if there is one at United, he/ she seems to be achieving quite the opposite of what's needed.
1.) 13 Nov 2023 14:59:17
Tbf to the front players we are 11th in both "big chances created" and "expected goals".
I know these stats are not bulletproof but watching the games we don't create a boat load of chances, Hojlund can go through a full 90 mins and not have 1 clear cut chance.
We lack creativity from full back, deep midfield and right wing. Full back has been affected by injury to Shaw who is a big chance creator but the other two areas were meant to be improved by Mount and Antony. that's on Ten Haag.
Maybe Amad and Mainoo can come in and help pick up the creative burden where Mount and Antony have flopped.
2.) 13 Nov 2023 16:30:54
I think Shaw will be a big help when he comes back. Shaw can overlap and is also a decent crosser of the ball and also has a good relationship with both Rashford and Garnacho.
It won't be long before Hoijland starts scoring, i think he needs to get that first goal and he will score on a regular basis. He's doing all the right things it's just his end product.
3.) 13 Nov 2023 18:30:33
Its one thing seeing the big teams play well. But Wolves, West Ham, newcastle, Bournmouth Forest all pay lovely football at times, many of them with wingers who cost peanuts, defenders who cost under 15 million and mifielders in the same price bracket that just leave me baffled as to how we get it so wrong.
4.) 13 Nov 2023 19:22:06
I thought our play on the weekend was quote wide at times with plenty of balls being crossed into the box. Not sure if it was a mix of direct instructions or Regulion playing but we definitely worked the ball better in ghr wider areas.
5.) 13 Nov 2023 19:35:01
We have such a player, he will be back next year. Maybe January if we continue to struggle. which we will because half the squad are overpaid wannabes without an ounce of substance to their capabilities.
11 Nov 2023 19:18:52
Incredible that this many games in to the season our forwards have contributed just 1 goal between them. Also incredible that despite that, despite having a -3 goal difference, and despite missing pretty much our entire first team defense, we are 6th in the table.
1.) 11 Nov 2023 19:31:49
Interesting that Spurs and Newcastle have a few defensive injuries and suddenly they aren’t as good. We are above Newcastle and they are bottom of their CL group, Howe out?
2.) 11 Nov 2023 19:31:57
Being 5 points behind Spurs who have been tipped to challenge and Ange getting all the plaudits, 6 behind Arsenal who will be expected to challenge for title, 6 (9) behind City.
We've been brutal in a lot of games this season but with the long list of injuries and the belief that a lot of those players have another few gears to go up, we might be in with a shout of challenging for top 4.
If only every game was before an international break!
3.) 11 Nov 2023 20:36:28
I love international breaks! Here’s a thought ; with a fit Shaw and Martinez back … and a fit Cass .
It’s all about confidence people!
4.) 11 Nov 2023 21:24:54
This team is not a top four team, and would be punching above its weight if it got there.
Get shaw, martinez, varane back fit and playing well consistently and then we can talk. We are still a long way off where we need to be. We basically need a squad revolution. Bring in ball paying players, move some on, trust in younger hungrier players.
We looked okay today, against the worst team in the league. I do think our attack will start to click soon, rash right and garnacho left looks better. Eriksen in midfield has no legs or physicality at all, but his ball playing is much better than anyone else. We need a player with both!
5.) 11 Nov 2023 21:38:51
Patrick
where have you been. common sense does not wash on this page. respect.
6.) 12 Nov 2023 06:20:10
Cas and Licha aren't expect back till next year, so we have to make do with what we got.
If you look at the fixture list till Xmas, there is not one game there I would consider easy, you could make a case for us losing them all.
One thing for sure, we are going to have to start to learn how to score goals, because at the moment that department is chronically under performing.
7.) 13 Nov 2023 08:24:31
Grim
Its frustrating watching what we do upfront but what makes me really nervous is watching us defend against better teams when we are under pressure.
Away at Everton, who are actually in good form, then gala away then NC away and then Chelsea at home. Chelsea showed yesterday they are a very good team and have proved it vs spurs, arsenal and city now and starting to gel and getting players back from injury as well.
4 big games that will shape our season. I would take 3 wins and a loss now and be happy. Gala win a must but probably most difficult game imo. We have never won there.
We have scores 9 goals in cl and lost 3/ 4 games. Defending sucks imo.
05 Nov 2023 08:59:39
Starting in an offside position, is per se, not offside. Every team in the free kick situation yesterday starts players offside. Why? Presumably because they believe doing so will affect what the defense will do. So Maguire was not offside just because he started in an offside position when the free kick was taken, nor was he offside just because he made a run in the direction of the goal. players do that all the time with the sole purpose of taking a defender with them. The reason he was called offside was, presumably, because he made a lunge for the ball preventing the defender from cutting the cross out.
What was galling about the decision is that there was little indication that the defender would have been able to cut out the cross anyway. He had chosen the wrong line to defend, Maguire rather than Garnacho, but, as pointed out, neither Maguire's original position nor his run made him active per se. There are plenty of times where an offside player makes a run, takes a defender with him, allowing an onside player to shoot or score. How about Rashford and Bruno v City last season?
Since the goal was not flagged for offside in the first place the original decision should have stood unless there was incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. I still do not believe, given how the rules are generally applied, that such was the case, and the goal should have stood.
We got a break with the Wolves decision at the beginning of the season, but it feels like since then virtually every decision has gone against us. Maybe there was once a time when it was the other way around, but those days are over. Now there does seem to be a psychological refereeing bias - call it an excessive scrutiny - against us.
PS. Other than his goal can anybody commend Bruno's performance yesterday?
1.) 05 Nov 2023 09:31:24
I think it is likely that there is more scrutiny from the refs but to be fair there is a lot more scrutiny on their decisions from the media especially when they go for one of the big clubs.
The wolves decision you mention is a perfect example. Wolves united-Loads of media coverage, an apology, rule change, ref watch saying it is a penalty etc.
Compare that to the coverage of Jose sa punching a Leeds player in their game last season, lot worse contact. However Not a massive story in the media, ref watch saying it happens all the time and not a pen etc.
The more clicks your club generates the more stories or scrutiny in the media and refs must be aware of this when officiating.
I don't think they actually are bent but I do think different interpretation is increasing impact on leagues and fan drustration. What is a handball one week is not the next etc.
2.) 05 Nov 2023 09:32:24
If it takes over a minute to make a decision whilst using VAR then they should stick to the on pitch decision. Taking over 4 minutes is a joke.
3.) 05 Nov 2023 09:45:19
It's the inconsistency though isn't it. Look at the Newcastle goal against Arsenal - you can't tell for certain if the ball is out unless you look at it from an aerial point of view. they said VAR couldn't say for certain so let it stand.
But a few weeks earlier, Rashford crossed the ball in for a goal and it was deemed to have gone out of play despite it not being clear. Think it was Brighton.
They just make it up as they go along because they're useless.
4.) 05 Nov 2023 10:03:36
Shaw, I’m quite staunch in my views that if things are going against us we should just suck it up and get on with it.
Yesterday however I finally cracked and feel too that there has been a catalogue of decisions against us since the Wolves game.
Yesterday’s offside was not clear and obvious. The defender made the wrong choice and left Garnacho at the back post for the assist. It could not possibly be proven that the defender chasing Maguire would’ve got to the ball.
It almost felt like VAR was trying to find a reason to disallow the goal. I know that’s ridiculous but it’s hard to not feel aggrieved with the way things are going.
Ultimately I think it was the wrong call to rule out the goal given that nobody can predict what would’ve happened had Maguire not been there, and he didn’t touch the ball.
5.) 05 Nov 2023 10:28:17
It was offside there is no debate.
If a players starts in an offside positron and attempts to play the ball he is deemed offside. No debate at all. Simple offside. The only debate was.
1 did he attempt to play the ball.
2 was his attempt distracting and attracting the defender.
Yes is answer on both counts.
No debate at all given the way the law is written.
You can stamp your feet all you like but it's very clear cut once you deem maguire attempted to play the ball.
If you don't know the law don't dispute it and if you know the law you know it's a correct call.
Inconsistency in them being checked is what is frustrating.
6.) 05 Nov 2023 10:38:36
It looked to me like they were looking hard to find a reason not to give it. How was it clear and obvious when it took 4 minutes and then sent the ref over to look. I heard the words subjective offside, what?
I watched a pen being given against us last week for holding yet when Hojland was rugby tackled against Arsenal it was completely ignored. VAR is inconsistent at best. I saw the goal given against Arsenal yesterday and it was so similar to the one disallowed when Rashford was deemed to take it over. The whole VAR system has become a joke.
7.) 05 Nov 2023 10:58:14
Sorry they're bent, had 9 absolute howlers against utd in 11 games.9!
The media have actually forgotten that the wolves game, Rashfords header was cleared off the line by a deliberate handball. not a dicky bird mentioned about that because it doesn't fit they're agenda.
Yesterday's offside was as bad as it gets, as they made up a rule that doesn't exist to chalk off the goal. they even looked at Brunos goal to try and chalk that off. And when has a ref looked at an offside? never. that was Liverpool its never even looked at and given and that's a fact.
8.) 05 Nov 2023 10:59:23
VAR isn’t inconsistent. It’s just video. What’s inconsistent is refereeing. Not just inconsistent, downright unprofessional. The standard of refereeing has been awful for years with refs not having consistent interpretations of the rules or being able to clearly explain their decisions.
Rather than address the lack of professionalism and accountability in refereeing, they brought in VAR to basically shirk responsibility by saying the computer made the decision. VAR is a tool that should help referees make better decision based on their expertise and common sense. In football it’s used to make decisions. Just another way to excuse referees from being bad at their jobs.
I’ve said this for years, in rugby video is used to allow the ref to discuss an incident with the video ref, use the evidence as a tool to make a decision and then explain their decision to the players. There are still mistakes and some dubious decisions, but there is accountability. The ref makes the decision and has to justify their decision to the players. The discussion is all out in the open and the ref is ultimately responsible.
In football, the ref has a secret conversation with the video ref, if the go over to the monitor you know the original decision is being overturned, and the only explanation is - VAR said it. There’s no accountability and it’s used as an excuse for a lack of quality and professionalism in reffing.
9.) 05 Nov 2023 12:02:17
The problem is we don't know what the VAR people are saying we don't know what the ref is saying, at least then we can understand it was even if we disagree.
10.) 05 Nov 2023 13:27:17
Danny is spot on. VAR is not an issue. All its done is highlight how utterly useless our referees are. The standard of officials in what is considered the best league in the world is absolutely shocking.
We were told that its tough being a Ref, they don't get to see the incidents from an elevated angle in slow motion. Now they can and they still get it wrong.
Literally they get to see the incident several times, slowed down, and in consultation with fellow "experts", sometimes for several minutes and they still get it wrong.
That isn't an issue with VAR or technology, its just incompetence from the officials pure and simple.
In any other walk of life if you were that incompetent at your job, especially if those decisions could have massive financial implications for other businesses, you'd lose your job.
11.) 05 Nov 2023 13:39:17
If the decision for offside yesterday is ultimately correct, i still believe the incompetent officials are in someway biased or corrupt. Certain VAR decisions are always interpreted against us, when a similar offence in our favour Var does not intervene. I honestly believe if we had scored that Newcastle goal yesterday they would have disallowed it, they would have either called the ball out or given the foul on the defender. At some point you have to question why referees interpret things differently depending on the team. Maybe they get free holidays in Abu Dhabi or something but they certainly are not balanced in their decisions.
12.) 05 Nov 2023 13:49:01
inhope. spot on, it's utd and 100% use different rules because of the pro scouse abu media.
13.) 05 Nov 2023 15:04:21
We are the first team to get a goal ruled out for a 'subjective offide' :)
14.) 05 Nov 2023 15:45:48
If it’s subjective, it isn’t “clear and obvious”.
There’s talk of the Saudi league wanting to poach PL refs and the media made it out as if Saudi were the enemy.
I for one will pay for their flights over there.
15.) 05 Nov 2023 17:00:57
Shock decisions recently. I just feel like it will swing around in the long run and we will see some come our way. Just you wait for the scousers saying we always get the decisions when we do get one though.
We need to start scoring goals again as a team, then it matters lessnif our 4th goal is chalked off by a bad decision.
16.) 05 Nov 2023 17:15:17
They need to take a leaf out of the DRS from cricket. Such as umpires call. This is where the clear an obvious crap would end. So VAR is not the issue. It’s the lack of transparent guidance around it. So best take it away from the premier league work on it and then re -implement it once all those teething issues are ironed out.
17.) 06 Nov 2023 08:10:01
This manager unlike the rest gets on with things and does not like to make a big issue out of decisions and injuries. Only thing he says is the injuries have an impact on our playing style and routine. I think the decisions we are getting are just poor and never heard of subjective offside. No idea what that means and no wonder its a mess.
If we did what NC did vs arsenal, both sets of players that is, I reckon we would have 2 sent off and pretty much everyone on a yellow.
The Refs are substandard and same ones rotate and are in charge of Var. Its no wonder this is happening every week. American Football has the best video system. Very rarely do they get one wrong as rules are clear.
Need to simplify the rules and take refs subjectivity out of it completely. i.e Hits your hand its a pen, goes for every team. ATM one gives it, one does not for almost the same type of play. Then they come up with some funky reason which is bs most of the time.
18.) 06 Nov 2023 08:40:33
Shappy, I respectfully will disagree with you. I don't think VAR is highlighting how poor refs are now. I think we always knew that, but what it is doing is taking away responsibility from refs. They can or cannot make a decision. It doesn't really matter because VAR will check. I also think the problem is the technology and the rules that run alongside it.
Offsides, for an example, they are looking for the smallest bit of evidence that a player is ahead of the defender, but they do this by drawing lines! Can you hand on heart, categorically say Garnacho was offside v Arsenal? The angle, the lines and what ends up happening is actually an element of guesswork. Well, that's not right when using technology. I hear people say you either off or not, fine, but that's got to be conclusive not, hard to tell.
I guess they're off. If that's the case, just allow the linesman to make decisions OR make the rules support the technology. For me, offside is about gaining an advantage. If Garnacho had breathed his belly in of trimmed his nose hairs on his offside, he'd still have got the chance and scored, he wasn't gaining any advantage.
19.) 06 Nov 2023 11:02:52
I would remove football people from the car var room. altogether both of x-players and referees. Every single one has allegiances and opinions that are biased. It should be a purely electronic process. The idea that if vat isn’t conclusion, then you can give an opinion on it is completely missing the point.
11 Nov 2023 08:42:24
Had the Glazers selected a person who actually knew how to run a football club as the CEO back in 2012, rather than Woodward, we would arguably not be in the mess we are today. In the last 11 years we have spent plenty money to be a top contender. While debt servicing and FFP (which won't be helped if we don't get back in the Champions League), are not gong to get resolved in the short term under what we know of Ratcliffe's plan, the primary problem of poor club management will at least be addressed. That's the starting point whoever is the owner.
The key to a resurgence is not the ownership per se but who the owners select to manage the club. The benefit of Jassim would reportedly be debt elimination and funds for investment in infrastructure. There is no guarantee that the club would be run any better if he took over. With no experience whatsoever, nor any clear indication of where the funds are coming from, Jassim's offer may be less attractive than one might initially think. Success on and off the field, including debt and FFP issues, will not be instantaneous, but if SJR provides the management nous we need then it will come again. And if it does I don't care if the Glazers still own a significant stake in the club, but remain in the background. Unfortunately it's taken them 18 years to realize the level of there incompetence when it comes to owning a successful football club, which requires as the #1 priority the hiring of a competent management team that can install and maintain a winning footballing structure.
14 Sep 2023 12:43:41
With Antony away, Sancho could have had an opportunity to show that he has what it takes to succeed at United, which makes his response to Ten Hag's mild public rebuke potentially even more damaging.
I don't know about shirt #s but Ronaldo's second coming per se (allusions intended), rather than inspire seems to have been seen by the players as a lack of confidence in their ability to rise to the occasion. Did anyone become a better player for having Ronaldo in the team? United have had an uncanny knack of late of buying good players and making them worse, but Ronaldo's arrival seemed to spread the malaise throughout the existing squad.
Question is, if Sancho continues to fail to endear himself to ETH, how will his reportedly extremely high wages affect the price. Does anyone at BD make anywhere near what Sancho makes at United?
06 Sep 2023 17:59:34
Mitoma seems like an excellent player but doesn't he play on the left? We already have Rashford and Garnacho there, so he's highly unlikely. If Sancho fails to be sold or measure up (most likely scenario because he clearly doesn't have the talent or the cojones and who wants an overpaid whiner) and then we lose Antony (a dead cert if he's charged by either British or Brazilian prosecuters), we will probably end up with either Diallo, Pellistri or one of Mount/ Bruno providing width from that side. With a decent CF, reinforcements in MF, and defenders eventually coming back into fitness, I don't think any of those options will be a significant downgrade, and maybe the opposite. It's not as though either Sancho or Antony has been lighting up the EPL, although at least Antony puts a proper shift in.
06 Sep 2023 11:46:51
I'd take just about any offer that at least takes his wages off our books. Otherwise, along with Antony, it's very much looking like we're going to have two highly paid big money transfers added to our long list of failures. Whatever the club can do to mitigate its losses it should do.
05 Sep 2023 13:04:14
Maguire stayed for the money. No one else was going to pay him anywhere near £10m a year. He knows his career is on the downswing, why would he get off the gravy train?
29 Nov 2023 12:16:10
For a PK to be given the hand ball should be either a) deliberate, which requires direct movement of hand to ball or b) both unavoidable and have prevented a reasonable chance of a goal being scored. In last night's situation it was clearly neither deliberate nor avoidable. The ball hit the defender's body and bounced onto his arm while it was in a natural running position. Certainly not enough to overrule the decision on the field.
If we are gong to use VAR then it should be fairly easy to determine whether there was a chance a goal would be scored. So, for a shot that's way off target, even if the hand ball was avoidable, no penalty.
Last night's ref is regarded as one of the very best in Europe, but even he succumbed to the pressure put on him by the players and the crowd. Worse was the VAR team who should not even have sent it for his review.
29 Nov 2023 00:46:41
I find virtually every aspect of commentary to be dull, and particularly when it comes to United. But we have to face it, our failures are their meat and potatoes, so much more worthy of their columns inches than our, or indeed anyone other team's successes. They get to spend their whole working lives droning on about the same things over and over again, lazily regurgitating reports someone else wrote first, attempting to look relevant or astute.
I suppose it's a sort of backhanded compliment. I have to say that nowadays I mute out half time, and sometimes even the commentary, particularly when they act so damned surprised when a United team that has been racked by injuries and out of form players, is struggling. It's not a shock. It's not news. Struggling for us has been the norm.
27 Nov 2023 16:10:35
I was one who felt that we should take Greenwood back, but I don't want to re-litigate that issue. Suffice it to say, he's played 10x or so and scored 2 goals, one a magnificent strike. We all know he's capable of scoring great goals, but there's so much more to being effective at the top levels of the EPL week in week out than the capacity to score a blinder every now and then.
27 Nov 2023 15:58:10
Brooks90. It's the bosses that do the crime, and it's the fans that take the punishment. And i'm dead certain that we would all be bitching and moaning if the same thing were to happen to us as a result of mismanagement of the club's finances by the owners.
21 Nov 2023 17:14:31
Rangerred. With a proper football director and scouting network it won't fall on the manager to find the players we need, which is unfortunately how it has been. Once again it comes back to Woodward's legacy, which every decent manager who has left the club has identified.