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15 Dec 2022 17:24:24
"Asked for an update on the sale of United, he (Glazer) told the outlet, "It's not necessarily a sale, it's a process and we're going forward with the process, so we'll see what happens. "

When he was pushed for further updates about how many interested parties had made themselves known already, he added: "I'm here to really watch the World Cup but I appreciate your interest. That's the update, it's the process and the process is proceeding. "

Loose lips sink ships, eh? Or, no offers yet?

shawthing

1.) 15 Dec 2022 19:03:26
Shawthing,

The cynic in me think he’s was over there in business. He doesn’t give a damn about football, he wouldn’t be able to tell you the United players left.


2.) 15 Dec 2022 20:31:51
The Glazers have been to something like 6 United games in 17 years. No chance he was in Qatar to watch the world cup. He was there on business.


3.) 18 Dec 2022 08:37:42
They were there to watch Man Utd in the Soccerball World Cup Superbowl Finals.


 

 

29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.

shawthing

1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.


2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.


3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.

GGMU.


 

 

26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.

shawthing

1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.


2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.


3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.


4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.


5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.


6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.


7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.


8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.


9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.


 

 

02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.

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1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "


2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.


 

 

13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.

shawthing

1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!


2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.


 

 

 

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26 May 2024 12:15:22
We should remember that United has been one of the most hated football teams. That was the price of two decades of success. So, it's not surprising that our failures and decline have been greeted with glee. Everyone, particularly the press love to pile it on. Thus being at MUFC, as a manager or player, makes you someone with a target on your back. You have to be extremely resolute to withstand the constant glare, the derision, the speculation etc.

Having withstood 2 years of this, during which we have won 2 trophies more than Arsenal, and 1 more than Liverpool, and having inherited a complete mess, having dealt with an injury hit season, particularly in central defense, I think the board would be making a mistake to get rid of ETH. (Look how Liverpool and Arsenal fared losing just one key defender, then Van Dijk and Saliba got injured) . So if they do, it will be because he's not seen as the man to build upon his own achievements of building the foundation for the future. As far as I'm concerned his sternness was just what was needed at the time.

Thank you ETH.

shawthing

1.) 26 May 2024 13:12:53
I do thank him for bringing us two cups and think he is a decent guy.

The problem is that whilst Arsenal and Liverpool did have key injuries too they didn't suffer so many awful losses as we have this season. Nor did their players seem to give up or make such basic errors like Utds did this season.

I know having so many players out especially in defence makes it really difficult for a manager but playing Casemeiro in Central defence when he patently was not up to it makes me question ETH. Not playing Diallo and persevering with Anthony who is technically gifted but more likely to succeed in Italy or Spain again gives me doubts about ETH.

Watching Sancho play so well for Dortmund but being so poor for us and falling out with the coach brings more doubts.

Not changing things in matched when things were so obviously not right adds more question marks

These are all points (and there are many more that) many of us have made over the season. One win against a tired off key City does not answer those points and fill me with justifiable genuine optimism for the coming season.

My heart wants ETH to do really well and prove all the doubters including myself wrong. My head is full of doubts. Complicating this is the fact that there are few genuine elite level managers available. I would love Mckenna back at Old Trafford because his work with the youth team was great and he gets the club and fans but he is surely better off going to a slightly lesser mid table team and getting more experience which will stand him in good stead long term. He is young enough to get the job in the future.

Poch is known to be a good man manager but is he good enough to build this team and lead us back to the very top. Very difficult to say that he is based on past coaching jobs he has had. He has had no real trophy winning success. (I don't count the french league as being of value) .

Are we as fans going to be realistic and realise that regardless of whoever has the job it is going to take a few years to build a squad capable of challenging for the league. Are we and are Ineos patient enough to allow the manager to make mistakes and suffer taking a few steps back and not finish in the top four of another season if the rebuild takes a while. If we chose another manager then we should surely give them at least two seasons to rebuild. If that's is the case with a new manager why should ETH also not have another two years to do the same? After all they would be starting from the same base line.


2.) 26 May 2024 15:43:22
Salford7,

Sancho has a known attitude problem. He often turned up to training late at Utd and when he was previously at Dortmund.

ED001, did a very good write up about Sancho.

EtH had to play Casemiro in defence. There wasn't an alternative due to the injuries Utd had. Of course he could have played McTominay defensively he is suspect and lacks discipline. His hands were tied.

EtH has appeared abit more last over the last few games and his in game substitutions have made sense. A season with so many injured players is difficult for any manager. The real issues is a lack of quality and a poor attitude amongst certain players.

This season has shown how key Martinez is to Utds success. Him and Bruno both are.


3.) 26 May 2024 16:04:15
When did Sancho play well for Dortmund? In one game you watched? He certainly hasn’t played well consistently for them.


4.) 26 May 2024 17:24:50
He has a better two year start than arteta. He has a history of building teams that win. He has won trophies in both seasons inspite of the adversity.

Ineos want to bring in a puppet to follow instructions. But what top level epl team has won with that model?

Show patience and we will win with the guy. Your favourite player might not play, but we will win. And that is what it is all about.


 

 

22 May 2024 13:48:36
I'll get back to the basic point that unless there's a solid structure behind the manager, it really doesn't matter who the manager is. He will fail. The manager is not, nor should be, responsible for scouting, assessment and transfers, nor the prices paid, contact renewals. He is a part of the process only, albeit an important one.

So speculation about ETH's future, or his replacement, is of minimal interest to me at this time. That said, even though it looked to me like Poch was starting to turn things around at Chelsea, as of yet he's really failed to deliver anything more than expected wherever he's been. No titles as Spurs, and failed to take PSG over the hump. If United don't get the back room in place, he, like ETH, or anyone else, will fail to take us back to the top.

shawthing

1.) 22 May 2024 14:30:25
Won the league and a cup at psg and lost a cl semi final. So did what the other managers at psg achieved.


2.) 22 May 2024 16:58:26
I’ve completely switched off to the whole ‘is he staying, is he going’ saga. I couldn’t care less who’s next in the hot seat. I just want to see the club operating like a world class football club again. When that’s happening, we’ll get the correct man in place to win trophies again.


3.) 22 May 2024 17:41:56
Agree 2 toms.


4.) 22 May 2024 18:13:59
Tumbleweed, I would argue that his record at PSG was no more than would have been expected of any manager there. Had he won the Champions League, he would have truly burnished his credentials. As it is he's shown himself thus far as no more than a good but by no means exceptional manager.


5.) 22 May 2024 18:25:38
Very difficult for psg to win the cl tbf Shaw hard to raise your level when not competing with top teams weekly.
Poch for sure has not proved himself as a great manager. A good manager yes a great no.
But we don't need a manager that has been great we need one that will be for us.
We need a manager who is better than eth and poch falls into that category imo.
I very much doubt it will be poch but I'd be more than happy if he got the opportunity.


6.) 22 May 2024 18:49:20
Shaw, I think it's significant that SJR last week said words to the effect of 'we've had many managers, all of whom have not been truly successful, even some who have been very successful elsewhere before they came here. The one constant behind everything is the poor infrastructure, not built to support the manager. Until we have a proper infrastructure in place, any manager would struggle. '
To me, it sounds like he may well keep ETH, at least for next season, but then again, with a plethora of managers now available I could be miles off.


 

 

11 May 2024 17:41:46
I suppose winning never gets boring - for winners that is - at least not by the look of Noel Gallagher in the crowd at Fulham today. For the rest of us? Well, I don't want to see any team win the title every year, including us. So I really don't mind if we lose tomorrow if, somehow, Spurs can then find it within themselves to draw or beat City on Tuesday, with Arsenal pipping them to the post next weekend.

shawthing

1.) 12 May 2024 06:45:44
Spurs are poor when it matters. city should put them to sword the way they play and defend.


2.) 12 May 2024 08:36:37
Spurs have hit the wall, like most teams that have a new manager who increases the intensity of the style of play they have started to run into injuries and fatigue.

Lots of people were praising Ange earlier in the season, yet is Spurs style of play really any different to ours right now. They look to press high winning the ball. But injuries and fatigue have seen them start to struggle, they are now too open in the middle and are making mistakes in defence.

I wonder if they'll stick with him for next season.


 

 

08 May 2024 20:04:09
Is there any likelihood that with all the American owners now that they will ultimately get their wish and replace the EPL with a franchise system, thereby ruining the game for ever?

I dread Todd Boehly getting his wish and bringing in an "All Star" weekend where some meaningless game of boring hype is put on for the sole reason of making money, having more advertising, and glorifying a load of overpaid sports stars.

shawthing

1.) 08 May 2024 21:20:45
You mean like the “Champions” League?


 

 

07 May 2024 13:51:58
Did anyone really expect anything better last night? We have one semi retired CB. In midfield we have a kid of whom too much is being asked and a player who has been out injured all year and would take time to get back to top form even in a settled team. Up front we have 2 youngsters and an inadequate right winger. Under such circumstances any manager would be struggling to avoid relegation if the situation were to persist for a whole season.

The big question is why are we so beset by injuries, so many of which seem to occur in training. Clearly something is very wrong. Whatever it is ETH is at the heart of it, so even though he really cannot be blamed for failing to win games with the resources he now has at his disposal, I really don't see how he survives. Given that he may as well go now. It won't change the cup final outcome.

shawthing

1.) 07 May 2024 14:14:08
Yes. I expected better tactics. ETH's are beyond fathomable. They never seem to change regardless of opposition, competition, state of the game, or injuries. I don't care who is playing DM. It could be a goalkeeper for all I care. It takes next to nothing to tell whoever it is to protect the back four. Nobody did that last night. We are so open. So wide and stretched vertically. Good teams stay compact and move as a unit around the pitch. They press as one or block deep as one. I have never, ever seen this United side do that. It's football 101. ETH is still on page 23.


2.) 07 May 2024 14:21:26
We were crap in the opening games with a full team. Well without Hojlund, but being honest in this system there’s zero point having a striker when we don’t even try and create chances for him.

I expect the manager to change his tactics and play with some form of a structure that’ll help defensively. If he can only play football with Martinez at centre back, then he’s incredibly limited as a manager.


3.) 07 May 2024 14:47:04
Yes I expected better with 9 of eth's players starting only 2 players playing out of position.
If we had everyone available there would have been 2 or 3 player changes and 1 positional change.


4.) 07 May 2024 15:42:41
Not true tumble.

Fernandes, rashford, shaw, martinez, varane would all start.

Cassemiro would play CDM.

Mainoo would play 8.


5.) 07 May 2024 16:00:22
Varane is leaving he would be starting.
I dispute rashford as an automatic. You yourself have said he shouldn't start.
So 3 changes Shaw martinez mount
1 position change casimero to midfield.
Mainoo did not play as a 6 last night.


6.) 07 May 2024 16:44:36
He also gave the players an out by using the injuries as an excuse. I don't think utd should ever be hiding behind injuries or any other excuse.


7.) 07 May 2024 20:11:44
Side is missing 5 starters and even the next in line in some positions are not healthy. its a hospital pass of a lineup atm.

Shaw, martinez, varrane, fernandes, rashford. malacia, maguire, Mc out too as second options. slim pickings atm. Sad state of affairs when a 36 year old who was not fit had to play.


8.) 07 May 2024 23:28:42
Ding ding, “All aboard the injury bus”.


 

 

 

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29 May 2024 01:32:44
Tom, here's my reasons for keeping him:

1) He had a good first season considering he had to deal with no striker and the Ronaldo situation, the general incompetence of those connected with recruitment, and the club's inability to land a long term CM. He did at least land a trophy.

2) In the second season while the ECL and EPL were very poor overall, he did land a trophy at the end. He also had to deal with a plethora of injuries, particularly to defenders, so that he never had a settle back line. Last year Arsenal fell apart defensively losing just Saliba. Before that Liverpool declined disastrously losing just Van Dijk. So, yes, other teams had plenty injuries. Brighton, for example, who ended up being 17th in the 2nd half of the season, and yet De Zerbi is considered the next savior by some. It's essential to have pretty much 2 full teams of quality players to be able to maintain top level performances for 65 games a season. United, for various reasons, including FFP simply haven't had that luxury.

3) He seems to have done pretty well with the younger players, and indeed United gave teenagers 3600 playing minutes compared to 1250 for City, Villa, Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool combined, which is exactly what many United fans have wanted to see. Bringing on young stars is supposed to be part of our DNA. Of course you could make the case that he only did it because he had to because of lack of options.

4) As Ratcliffe himself said, if every manager keeps failing then maybe the problem isn't the manager.

On the negative side, many of us including me became somewhat exasperated by his failure to change his tactics when it was clear that our midfield was too porous. His argument would probably have been that he was not hired to play LVG style negative football. He also seemed to persist with Antony when it was clear that he was a one and not very impressive trick pony. And of course there was the fallout with Sancho, which different people have different opinions about.

With 2 trophies already, with the bringing on of young players, having had to deal with an absent or incompetent management structure behind him, all the injuries to key players, and the enormous drop off in form for Rashford, the Ronaldo, Sancho, Antony and Greenwood distractions and the press pressure, I don't see the point in firing him UNLESS the club is pretty much certain there's a better option. And without the new DOF even hired yet who's to say what the new direction will be? How can a professional review take place without key personnel hired and a Glazer as one of the principle arbiters?

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28 May 2024 13:47:00
3 months of watching from the sidelines, letting various people go, hiring people, etc etc. As people have been saying you don't make a decision based on one game.

The EPL and ECL campaigns were inadequate to say the least. Were there extenuating circumstances? Yes. How much that let's Ten Hag off the hook is a matter of opinion. I'm not campaigning for or against ETH with this comment, even though I think we should keep him. I just think the season review excuse is corporate gobbledegook. The question is not the past but the future.

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28 May 2024 12:25:25
To me the review is BS. It's either a cover to mask what may be an unpopular decision to get rid of ETH immediately after winning a trophy, a stalling tactic before they have a contract with the "right" someone else in place, and/ or similarly before they walk back a decision they had basically made to fire him. They've had months now to "review" the season. We all know it was bad, except the final game, we all know the extenuating circumstances, and we all know the decision should not be based on one game.

The problem they have is that having won two trophies in two years despite all the problems he inherited, having brought on some excellent young players, having shown what he might achieve with the right backing, and there being no outstanding replacement available, they probably know they should keep him. That will require some negotiations with Ten Hag himself, not just with regard to transfer procedures and authority, but also with respect to extending his contract.

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24 May 2024 21:44:17
It makes a change from the loud noises other people are hearing.

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23 May 2024 00:36:13
He really should take a vacation because next season he's going to be busy.

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24 May 2024 15:17:34
I wish they would ban gas powered leaf blowers in our town. now that's a lot of frequently indiscriminate noise.

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22 May 2024 18:13:59
Tumbleweed, I would argue that his record at PSG was no more than would have been expected of any manager there. Had he won the Champions League, he would have truly burnished his credentials. As it is he's shown himself thus far as no more than a good but by no means exceptional manager.

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18 May 2024 15:28:01
He also got some excellent whitening work done on his nicotine stained teeth while at Liverpool. Vast improvement.

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16 May 2024 21:23:37
No, I wouldn't. He had not had a good season and there were plenty of people who were ready for a change. What makes anyone think his game will have improved after a year off? Besides which, prior to the end of his contract he was the highest paid goalie in the EPL by a good distance, and quite frankly he didn't justify it. I also think he was quite happy to spend some time at home with his wife. Whether or not you like Onana, de Gea had reached the end of his time at United.

As for Kane, it's entirely speculative to think that the club would have been able to buy him had they not bought Onana or Mount, or that he even wanted to come to us. There's also nothing to suggest that we would have been much better off if we had Kane, given all of the injuries to our defenders. If there's anyone we should have stumped up for it would have been Rice, but then again, why would he move from London to Manchester when a better footballing team was offering him a good contract?

Note: We're not that attractive a proposition for top level footballers.

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12 May 2024 16:26:41
Very dominant display by much the better team, ultimately spurred by a world class finish after some great opportunities were squandered.

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