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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.

shawthing

1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.


2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.


3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.

GGMU.


 

 

26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.

shawthing

1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.


2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.


3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.


4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.


5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.


6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.


7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.


8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.


9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.


 

 

02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.

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1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "


2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.


 

 

13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.

shawthing

1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!


2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.


 

 

05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.

shawthing

1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.


2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.


3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.


4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.


5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?


6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?


7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .


Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .


8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.


9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.


10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.


11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.


12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'


13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.


 

 

 

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02 May 2021 17:49:51
I have railed against the Glazers since they bought the club with other people's money, siphoning off cash flow to service debt, rather than to reinvest in players of the same quality as Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Ronaldo etc. Sure, as the debt to stock value ratio has improved, they started investing in players again, albeit with a total lack of nous under the guidance of the inexperienced and incompetent accountant, Ed Woodward. And I still believe we have Ole, who is doing okay if not great, because there were no top managers out there who believe in their project and want to work for them.

You see the similarities between us and Arsenal, both owned by Americans whose goal is primarily financial.

So, I have sympathy for the protesters, but like those who stretched out the protests against police brutality in the US, ad infinitum, there are useful ways and there are useless ways. The invasion of OT today must surely rank as one of the most useless protests of all time. The ESL is already on the back burner or even further back. The Glazers don't give a toss what a bunch of hooligans think. Nothing is gained from letting Glazer hate supersede United love.

shawthing

1.) 02 May 2021 18:03:55
Bang on shaw imo.


2.) 02 May 2021 18:32:44
Illegal protests, this was trespassing, they should have been arrested, especially the ones who stole the corner flags. Protests should have been outside the ground. They probably were not kept out because of shortfalls in security. Why was there not sufficient security to protect the ground given they must have known about these protests? Were the club cheap skating on security?

Today, there are rumours that Adidas are concerned about falling shirt sales, the owners may care more about the implications of that.

{Ed0666's Note - it would have taken a real show of force to arrest all these guys that got onto the pitch. I think the police wanted to escalate the situation especially as there covid risks also


3.) 02 May 2021 18:49:41
I'm not sure what I think of the 'invasion' but the impact of getting the game cancelled is huge and adds volume to the anti glazer protests.

{Ed014's Note - for me it’s wasted, better protest is to ensure empty stadiums continue after fans are allowed to return.

Boycott the merchandise shops and hit them the only place it hurts, financially.


4.) 02 May 2021 19:01:26
Those images will be beamed around the world now. I'm not in total agreement with what the fans did today but sometimes they have to go that bit further (getting into the ground) to make their point. History tells us that.

I hope no one was injured, no arrests were made and the fans made their point. I hope they continue with protests but peaceful ones outside the ground.

{Ed014's Note - they will be but as always the tv will show fans damaging property and those within the ground drinking from bottles of beer whilst taking selfies!

Ensure Old Trafford, Anfield and the Emirates are empty after fans are allowed to return would be the huge turning point and that show of going that bit further.


5.) 02 May 2021 19:14:46
You got it ed014. More than one way to skin a cat. Anarchy is not the way. Despite the vast majority being Paavo peaceful and law abiding today's protest only gives those clowns a platform to undermine the protest.
Create a real movement to hit them financially its all they know and care about.

{Ed014's Note - as I’ve just said to Angel the press will portray the fans who entered the ground in a bad light.

Empty stadiums after COVID would be huge for me Ken.


6.) 02 May 2021 19:15:37
Ed014 I don't think we could hurt the club financially fron the UK. If regular match goers stopped going there would be plenty others who would fill their shoes. As far as merchandise the worldwide sales would be colossal compared to us in the UK. Today local fans have managed to derail a game and create a massive disturbance for the club, surely the glaziers will hear about it? Will they care, I'm not so sure but if these acts continue maybe they will take greater notice of the fans concerns going forward.

{Ed014's Note - just think it has to be financial to have any effect Simon, would love to see the stadiums empty.

That’s a huge thing to organise I know but for me that’s the way forward.


7.) 02 May 2021 19:19:43
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I think that's better yes but not possible today.
Hopefully the plastics and tourists get the message too and stay away.

I think the uncomfortable truth is I'm not sure the Glazers will care.

{Ed014's Note - it’s whether it’s at all possible UR but that will be the outright best thing for me


8.) 02 May 2021 19:26:42
Or maybe when the grounds are full of fans there could be a vocal disturbance to let the whole world know how we feel about the glaziers? I'm sure voices would be heard around the world with anti glazier chants/ songs. Imagine 76.000 voices at OT, although maybe not ideal for the team🤔.

{Ed014's Note - I know mate but sadly that just continues to line their pockets and I don’t think the Glazers, Stan Kroenke or FSG would care


9.) 02 May 2021 21:14:51
I remember plenty of anti glazer chants and times when the stadium had a decent covering of green and yellow, it doesn't do anything.

Empty seats on TV will look horrific. Won't hurt their pocket as most will be season ticket.

I'm torn on today yet the game was called off, the club's name will be in the mud with sponsors, advertisers and bookies. That will hurt over time and reduce sponsorship.

I won't lie part of me hopes this happens at every game until they go, don't really care if they get called off, they're all dead rubbers. Honestly I have been barely interested since ESL and only felt emotionally invested last week when we were 1-2 down last, really wanted Ole and the lads to break the semifinal funk.


I think after today this is the start and many could be attracted to attending future events especially as it warms up and pubs reopen. Could easily see 20k there in future weeks.


 

 

26 Apr 2021 17:46:44
It's a big if, but if we score 6 more goals, it will be the first time we've cracked 70 since SAF left. This despite a really poor season from Martial, Rashford being hampered by injury niggles, an understandable and quite normal tapering off by Greenwood in his second season, and Pogba being constantly injured. We have the 3rd best defensive record. We're second in the league behind a City team that none of us expected to beat anyway.

So, forgive me for going against the general feeling here, but in this desultory year of playing to empty stadia, I do believe progress has been made.

And as for excitement, with no crowds football is not the same. Watching City play against Villa the other day was way more dull than our 0-0 against Leeds.

shawthing

1.) 26 Apr 2021 18:14:58
Shaw,

Good to see the other side of the coin mate, sure it will be shouted down but I don’t think things are quite as bad as some would have you believe.


2.) 26 Apr 2021 18:39:50
I'm in the happy clappy brigade! This year is not as bad as people on here seem to think!


3.) 26 Apr 2021 19:10:49
Shhhh! Guys we are supposed to be cowed down to agree with the vocal minority that this is the worst United side in history and we will probably be relegated next season.

Ole should also be questioned about his whereabouts between 1939-1945 and whether he has any connection with Aldof. He's probably responsible for that mess as well.


4.) 26 Apr 2021 19:23:13
What do you expect for next season Shaw?


5.) 26 Apr 2021 19:39:46
City are up there without their legendary scorer Aguero.
Their manager has found a way to still thump teams with a false no 9.
A fantastic play style with the players knowing their roles crystal clearly.

I hoped better from United to be honest after the arrival of Telles/ Cavani/ VDB/ Diallo.

Ole has run out of excuses to win trophies and compete at the top level.
Maybe the Europa is the start.

Getting knocked out of group stages in Champions league was a hard pill to swallow considering we were in a commanding position.


6.) 26 Apr 2021 20:09:11
The premature exit from the CL has obviously been the biggest disappointment this season. The FA Cup exit to Leicester was frustrating too given the (perceived) favourable draw they would have been gifted in the semi too. The stats themselves don't lie - as above testifies - a lot of goals scored, and a respectable amount conceded. I think here-in lies any perceived negativity around this present Man Utd team; not in the facts and figures, but the much-aligned style of play and tactics. I think Ole deserves another window or two. He's still to an extent bound by the signings of previous managers, a few of which even those managers didn't want (Lindelif, Fred and Martial were way down the pecking order on the shopping lists handed in by Messrs Mourinho and LVG respectively) . This season's signings haven't exactly lit the side on fire either, in fact I'd say Fernandes has been the only outstanding success since Fergie stood down. So I'm happy to assume Ole hasn't quite got the players he wants right now, but the side sits reasonably within touching distance of City. in terms of facts and figures, at least. In terms of how I feel and what I see when comparing the two, it's not even a contest. But let's see. Throw another creative player into the mix, have the usual chase for a top striker, and maybe one or two others, and we might be a tad closer next year.


7.) 26 Apr 2021 22:23:24
All good points and its clearly a matter of opinion.
For every positive stat someone produces in favour of ole the other side can produce an equally telling negative one.
Its true the only stat that matters is where you finish.
I don't argue that they way we play has not effective to a point. We are 2nd we have more points than last season. I get that. I can see that improvement.
Is it enjoyable to watch? Am I entertained more often than not? Am I on the edge of my seat? Is our play intense full of pace and excitement? Do you say a more often than great play in every game?
Ole is here for next season i have zero faith in him. I just don't get him or see what he is trying to achieve.


8.) 27 Apr 2021 03:29:04
Clap clap we are second this season.

For 7th season in a row we haven't won title clap clap.

Clap clap we spent nearly a billion and we're absolutely trash!

Clap clap we are the new man utd where fans accept mediocrity.


9.) 27 Apr 2021 07:17:32
Ever heard of other teams? Recent years have been dominated by City and Liverpool, two of the best sides ever in the PL. Even though the latter were ultimately derailed by one serious injury I’d say in terms of effectiveness and entertainment value last season’s Liverpool was the greatest ever PL team (ok, can of worms) .

Chelsea’s new gaffa has his head screwed on. Yet. we sit in second, even though none of us can quite believe how. By hook or crook seems an apt phrase, as noone seems convinced by our team.

We were the most in-form side going into the Leeds clash (5 straight victories, bettering even City) . And we didn’t lose. C’mon, let’s give it just a little longer and see what unfolds over summer.


10.) 27 Apr 2021 12:40:46
But Ole is clueless. Doesn't know what he doing and relegated Cardiff Spenno. Oh, and everyone else will be better next year but we will be worse, because the world is big and scary 😂.


 

 

21 Apr 2021 13:02:49
For the Americans it's all about the money. Money and God go hand in hand, a fact recognized when the national motto was changed from "e pluribus unum" to "in God we trust", a phrase prominent on the dollar.

The real problem with professional sports is that the owners, the capitalist demigods, have to actually pay the athletes. Somehow they haven't been able to finagle it to be like college sports where it's actually forbidden to remunerate the players. So, if slavery isn't on the cards, they have to make do with the next best thing: monopoly. Don't ever be fooled by billionaires banging on about free markets. That's the last thing they want.

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15 Mar 2021 15:32:48
The thing that struck me about Sunday's game was how completely lacking in ambition West Ham were. Pressing for top 4 and visiting OT where the home team has struggled, they sat back and defended like they were attempting to stave off relegation. Moyes's tactics confirmed why he is not the manager any truly ambitious club needs.

shawthing

1.) 15 Mar 2021 15:37:02
Movyes has done that against all the big teams, it's as if he thinks they shouldn't be up there.

{Ed077's Note - Our lovely Ed025 will certainly back you up on that.}


2.) 15 Mar 2021 16:04:40
It was a shocking setup by Moyes. Absolutely no ambition to win.

We were there for the taking after playing midweek and having a lot of injuries.


3.) 15 Mar 2021 16:05:09
Or alternatively Moyes appreciates that his side will be the under dogs against the top sides, especially away, so sets up not to lose those games.

West Ham have a so-so record against the top sides, but they win most of their games against those below them.

I mean since January Lingard has been one of their best players but couldn't even get on the bench with us.

How many of the West Ham first 11 would start for us?

The reason Moyes got sacked with United is he went to newly promoted teams and set up defensively. Oddly something he didn't really do at Everton and has done at West Ham.

Maybe the pressure of being Manchester United manager is greater than that of Everton manager, and maybe that pressure makes people do things differently.


4.) 15 Mar 2021 18:55:59
Isn't the low block the best way to beat us?

{Ed0666's Note - Giving OGS a new contract is probably the best way to be honest


5.) 15 Mar 2021 20:47:25
It's the same reason Ole sets up for a draw against our rivals. He's happy to not lose. To reach their respective goals, they don't need to be the best.

West ham get Europa, Moyes has pulled up trees. Ole gets top 4, he gets a new contract and another crack at the whip.

Both managers just trying to survive.


6.) 15 Mar 2021 21:20:43
They were pathetic last night, got exactly what they deserved.


7.) 16 Mar 2021 08:04:05
Redd
Good point.


 

 

21 Feb 2021 13:59:11
Shinguard scores for West Ham, the top London team, managed by another United reject. Delightful.

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03 May 2021 20:12:32
I don't mean to be sill-y, putty they are in a bit of a jamb financially, so if it's inside then they can just knock out the remaining glass and save the expense of fixing it, or wait until the transfer window is upon us again.

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05 Mar 2020 00:32:20
Maybe the talk about trophies is just a polite way of saying earning a lot more money than is available at Spurs.

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19 Feb 2020 21:43:53
I appreciate that Ed but let's face it we are a very small band of supporters on this page. Anything you say is unlikely to migrate too far.

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19 Feb 2020 14:27:11
Ed, would you be prepared to explain in brief how the structure needs to be changed? Many of us are not familiar with the United specifics compared to other clubs. Perhaps also it would help to reduce the volume of questions and speculation in the future. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - No, the supporters will simply carry on their hate campaign with other members of club staff.}


 

 

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31 Jan 2020 18:50:03
I'm going with Salford 7 out of nostalgia, having been born there many many years ago!

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05 May 2021 17:44:42
There have been two phases to the Glazer's ownership:

1. The 1st 10 years was spent servicing the LBO debt and thus failing to pay the cost of replacing our quality players with those of similar quality while rival clubs, unburdened by debt load, caught us up when they were acquired by billionaires using their own money. This phase can be summed up by SAF's "there's no value in the transfer market". Advantage over.

2. The post SAF era when, finally, money was then thrown at the problem. However it seems to have been done in a hasty desperate manner without any cohesive on the field planning as might have been provided by a technical director.

You can choose to blame who you want - none of the main protagonists look that good - but to me the old adage "The buck stops here" applies.

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03 May 2021 20:08:01
Given the gravity of the situation bullet points would have been in order.

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02 May 2021 21:50:59
Compare the above comments to the owners of City who purchased without debt, invested in the ground, the neighborhood, in youth and in great players and managers with a view to winning titles.

The Glazers' main priority is making money. We are a marketing vehicle first and a football club second. They appointed a financial man to run the club, including by all accounts handling the transfer business. So after starving the club of cash for 10 years, failing to replace the likes of Scholes, Keane, Giggs etc, and selling our best player, Ronaldo, they then invested very poorly in players.

The long and short of it, they really don't care what happens on the field, as long as it's profitable for them.

All the American owners would like to replace what we have with a monopoly franchise type system, with salary caps, participation at the top level independent of results, and the possibility of relocating clubs based on the best tax and incentive deals offered by cities. They have no loyalty to their local fans at all.

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{Ed0666's Note - Failed to replace Scholes, Giggs, Keane? What on earth are you talking about? You’ve had heinous amounts of money to spend on transfers for ions. How can you blame the glazers for investing in poor players it’s not their job to find players.

Ronaldo left because he outgrew United. Not because of anything the Glazers did or didn’t do.

Owners like the ones at City come around once or twice a lifetime. They aren’t in it for financial gain they are promoting their country. Who wouldn’t want custodians like that?


 

 

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02 May 2021 17:33:21
Two wrongs don't make a right The Glazers will never have the moral high ground.

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{Ed014's Note - when your fans give the written press the opinion they’ve got the moral high ground, that’s what they have no matter what fans think, sadly.


 

 

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30 Apr 2021 21:11:35
Of the 6 penalties given away at OT this year Pogba has been responsible for 4 of them. He is not a good tackler and that position on the left does require him to track back and put in his defensive quota. But that said, he does seem to be best suited to playing closer to the opponent's goal both as a provide and a scorer.

As noted, the set up did seem to waste Rashford, who may not have enjoyed himself at all, but it's a team game and thus a sacrifice worth making if we're going to bang in 6.

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