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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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21 Feb 2021 13:59:11
Shinguard scores for West Ham, the top London team, managed by another United reject. Delightful.




07 Feb 2021 15:01:15
From a structural point of view I thought yesterday's performance was about as good as it gets. We made plenty chances and by and large controlled the game. Rashford's cross from the right (where he can't play according to many on this site) was superb, but his finishing remains woeful: he could easily have had 2. Greenwood put in a shift and is beginning to look like more than just a goal scorer, a complete team player.

It was not Ole's fault that a) Axel gave away a silly foul, or that b), more importantly, because we had plenty time to get organized, that we couldn't defend a free kick from the half way line. Besides conceding two other goals - one through very poor goalkeeping - we also gave up two breakaways that could have resulted in 2 more. Is it poor coaching of the defense or is it simply inadequate defenders? I tend to think it's the latter and that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


1.) 07 Feb 2021 20:06:34
Shaw i agree with a lot of that.

2.) 08 Feb 2021 01:45:12

Also 100% agree mate.



02 Jan 2021 13:50:05
Pogba stood out yesterday, particularly in the first half when his defensive work was excellent. Was he playing for a United team that he's decided could be title contenders, and he wants to do his part, or was he playing for a contract elsewhere? Either way, I'll take it.

Meanwhile Rashford looks out of sorts and seems to me to be in need of a rest. Was there an impressive side to his game yesterday? Shooting, passing?

Grealish lived up to the hype. It was very clear United considered him the main threat given how many times he was fouled.


1.) 02 Jan 2021 14:07:38
Pogba had more or less a full season out and C.V. He is maybe starting to find a bit of form and fitness.

{Ed047's Note - what was the excuse for the previous 3 seasons of mediocrity.

You literally come out with any old stuff to try and back of the utter waffle you chat.

2.) 02 Jan 2021 14:34:07
Pogba was superb yesterday imo.
He will contribute goals and assists from midfield when he is on top form.
Hoping he shows consistency for the upcoming matches.

3.) 02 Jan 2021 15:38:55
Pogba are ye actually serious. Ti's when he feels like playing. He should have been playing like this in every game. I've never been more frustrated over a united player in my life. The sooner himself and his agent jog on the better. He stole a living playing for Manchester united.
Not related to a united player.

4.) 02 Jan 2021 18:08:52
He’s been at best average for most of his time here. He played well the other night but the odd flash of skill doesn’t forgive the years of p1ss taking.

5.) 03 Jan 2021 10:41:57
I thought he had a good game yesterday. Him and bailly were stand out.
It looks to me as if he has committed himself to ole and he knows ole has his back. If Pogba plays well he will be in the team more often than not. Ole has pretty much nailed his colours to the mast on that one. Like all managers they have their go to men their favourites. Players they trust see pivotal and will play them as often as possible. Pogba will be that guy for ole until seasons end at least unless there is another set of ill advised quotes.

If he plays well, contributes, the team are winning and does his talking on the pitch then that's ok by me.
Its not a basket id be putting my eggs into, in a winning dominating team and a team playing well he is a big asset but if you hit a few bumps in the road then he is not the man to rely on in the way that say bruno is but if ole gets it to work then that'll do for me.



26 Dec 2020 18:16:41
A game we should have won comfortably but we squandered too many good chances, Rashford in particular.

I'm not sure about Bailly at all. He came to a complete standstill in no man's land for their first goal, failing to anticipate and respond to the threat from Barnes.

James does not seem to have what it takes. Even his much vaunted speed was not in evidence today as he was beaten regular in the early period of the game.

Overall it is very encouraging to be disappointed that we feel like we dropped 2 points, rather than gained 1 against a fellow top 4 competitor.


1.) 26 Dec 2020 18:28:20
Shawthing, good to see you. Last line sums it up perfectly.

2.) 26 Dec 2020 18:59:45
I thought it was McTominay who should have close Barnes down for that first goal, instead he looked like a video game glitching.

3.) 26 Dec 2020 19:49:47
Agree LLV McT should’ve closed Barnes down.

I don’t get the thinking that we gained a point against Leicester. We should be going out to win that game. It’s two points lost.

4.) 26 Dec 2020 20:55:05

We definitely went out to win the game and we’re 5 minutes away from doing so, as said above you can’t win them all, another away game with 4+ goals like all our away games this season, it’s exciting and fun to watch and generally we are getting the results.

5.) 26 Dec 2020 23:05:19
GDS2 it’s another game where we’ve shipped a couple of goals. Frustrating to say the least. We’re doing the right things at the top end of the pitch I don’t think anyone can argue with that, but what’s going on at the back?

6.) 26 Dec 2020 23:49:15

Not a lot by the looks of things, occasionally they look really good but we just let in far too many goals at the moment, even with 2 players in front. Many teams in the league are letting a lot of goals in as well though, not just us, seems the art of defending has been lost. It’s exciting at least but frustrating.

7.) 27 Dec 2020 10:35:22
GDS2 when does our defence look good?

They offer nothing going forward except a recent goal from Lindelof from a set piece. Nothing from open play.

And when they’ve got to actually defend (in other words do their job) they are all over the place. They never look good. There’s no communication, no solidity and although the coaching is clearly lacking, the players don’t seem to want to take responsibility.

8.) 27 Dec 2020 19:58:36

I thought they looked good against city, Chelsea and PSG away from home.



29 Nov 2020 18:55:45
I remember listening to Gary Lineker talking about making the same runs again and again. Most of the time it doesn't come off but when it does it makes you like brilliant. Martial simply doesn't have the instinct for it. Cavani does. You could see it clicking into place for his first header. He was ready. And his calm pick out of Fernandez only made his 45 minutes on the field all the more impressive. I wasn't expecting it, and it was a delight to witness a comeback like that.


1.) 29 Nov 2020 19:56:42
There is a lot more to Cavani’s game than I think a lot realise, he has taken a couple of games to get into the rhythm and my god he looks ready now, it shows what a top striker in a team can do and how far off our other players are from being that number 9. If cavani plays regularly he will get 25+ goals this season, who knows where that will take us?

2.) 29 Nov 2020 20:04:28
Cavani is top class. His movement is brilliant and he really does show up the other strikers we have. Martial will never ever be that no.9 for us. He has his own qualities but never an out and out striker.

3.) 29 Nov 2020 20:07:09
Bang on Ajh. Cavani did more running in 45 mins than Martial has all season.

4.) 29 Nov 2020 20:41:26
Yet Martial was pretty good last season. Just a different player that’s all - doesn’t diminish Martial’s qualities but Cavani was/ is a world class No9.

5.) 29 Nov 2020 21:41:05
Martial will never put a shift in when it matters. Sometimes you have to defend like your life matters. Not every game goes smoothly.

Martial is one of those players who like Pogna likes to all the nice things, flicks, the finesse etc. On his day he can be very good.

6.) 29 Nov 2020 22:05:47
Martial was in the hotel unwell for todays game but lots of comments about how he is not a striker and doesn't work hard enough. I guess someone needs to be slated.

7.) 29 Nov 2020 22:21:18
Remi it would seem so.

8.) 30 Nov 2020 00:19:33
he should probably watch somebody twice his age how a proper centre forward plays. all three of our forwards can learn a lot of him.

9.) 30 Nov 2020 06:12:41
Our young forwards can learn from Cavani.
Ole said that Cavani is meticulous in his preparation. He knows what his body needs, what he needs to eat etc, .

10.) 30 Nov 2020 07:53:42
Martial rash and greenwood haven't really got going so far this season but we say last year how good they can be.
Greenwood in particular is struggling but it will come .




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05 Mar 2020 00:32:20
Maybe the talk about trophies is just a polite way of saying earning a lot more money than is available at Spurs.




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19 Feb 2020 21:43:53
I appreciate that Ed but let's face it we are a very small band of supporters on this page. Anything you say is unlikely to migrate too far.




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19 Feb 2020 14:27:11
Ed, would you be prepared to explain in brief how the structure needs to be changed? Many of us are not familiar with the United specifics compared to other clubs. Perhaps also it would help to reduce the volume of questions and speculation in the future. Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - No, the supporters will simply carry on their hate campaign with other members of club staff.}



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31 Jan 2020 18:50:03
I'm going with Salford 7 out of nostalgia, having been born there many many years ago!




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29 Jan 2020 15:21:17
Fortunately, for me at least, there is lots to smile about whether or not the transfer goes ahead.





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17 Jan 2021 18:51:23
It was not an exciting game, true, but It was pretty much what I expected. If Fernandez or Pogba takes their chance and we win 1-0 most people would be saying Ole had set the team up correctly and that it was a great result. We came very close to breaking a phenomenal home record. We didn't quite do it, but whether we ultimately succeeded or not, doesn't change whether or not it was a well constructed tactical performance.




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29 Nov 2020 14:06:04
All the offside decisions were right, so I don't see what the problem is. other than the delay.

You could say that, without VAR, a team would win some and lose some, but that's not entirely true. The top teams attack more so they would get more wrong decisions in their favor. which is what the weaker teams always used to complain about. Not just that, but refs seemed to be swayed into giving the better teams the benefit of the doubt more often.

Or perhaps all the wrong decisions of the past provided a more satisfying metaphor for real life wherein most spend their existences with a feeling of being robbed.

If there's a problem with VAR making the right decisions then perhaps it is the rules that need changing.

If there's anything that makes the game difficult to watch it's the lack of crowd noise. Football is nothing without the fans. Now who said that?




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28 Aug 2020 21:15:55
I don't believe either SAF or Charlton are on the Board.




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13 Jul 2020 23:56:50
I agree, and despite the creditable way Southampton played, their first goal was as a direct result of a dreadful mistake and the second was at the buzzer when we down to 10 men. Meanwhile their goalkeeper made two excellent saves.

The players did look tired but despite that on a better day we win that one 3-1 despite Southampton's brave performance. Sadly, our luck ran out.




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18 Mar 2020 19:36:13
Okay, so we have moved on from talking about soccer to the NFL, which has just a little bit more action in a game (11 minutes) than a weekend of postponed matches in the EPL.

Brady is a legend but my guess is he will not fair well in Tampa. I'll give it one season.