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06 Nov 2023 09:53:12
Ed002, I'm reading Liverpool are favourites to sign Andre from Fluminense next Summer. He seems exactly what Utd need. Is their any interest from Utd?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
1.) 06 Nov 2023 10:11:46
Thanks Ed.
2.) 06 Nov 2023 17:51:39
From what I've read/ heard and the little I've seen he looks and sounds like the kind of smart signing we should be making. However, because we don't have a savvy and well connected DoF and we are so poorly run we will likely overlook players like Andre despite scouting him extensively no doubt, he'll then move to another club in Europe have a good 6 months to a year and we'll then sign him for ten times what his European club paid for him just 12 months earlier.
Rangnick reportedly suggested and even lined up potential deals for Moises Caicedo, Enzo Fernandez and Juilan Alvarez. Three players who are now proving their quality in the EPL. We could have had three all of them for less than what we paid for Donny van de Beek.
We need a top class DoF to come in as we will need to make several signings like this if we are going to be able to quickly rebuild the squad into a coherent group of players with the quality and skillsets to play a progressive style of play. When we need to make 15-18 singings they can't all be 50m+ players, it'll cost too much and take too long to recruit them.
3.) 06 Nov 2023 20:01:50
Agreed Shappy. It's not as though Andre has been hiding away tho. He's played for Brazil already, he's a regular for one of Brazils biggest clubs and apparently was the stand out player when they won the Copa Libertadores last night. I think there was even an article in the Guardian about him.
I understand Utd is poorly run and the DoF is obviously an idiot but you would have thought Utd would at least have an interest being as he plays in the position Utd have not filled satisfactory since Carrick.
4.) 06 Nov 2023 21:35:06
We had one with Rangnick. I always thought that’s what we brought him in, then randomly let him go.
5.) 06 Nov 2023 21:51:26
MancMan, I know he's not one of those secret unknown players playing on another continent. In some respects he's the kind of player a top European side could take a calculated risk on. He's got a few years under his belt, has played regularly for a title winning side, has represented his country (no mean feat for the Brazilian national team) . He's ready for a step up, but wouldn't cost as much as a similar player in Europe. He plays a similar role/ position to Moises Caicedo. Andre though has played more games, and helped his side win something. Yet he'll be available for 50-70% LESS than Caicedo went to Chelsea for, and would command much lower wages. If he moves to Europe and has one good season his value will more than double.
There are some very good players around that the club could and should have picked up and could have done for a fraction of what we have spent on "big name" players who have gone on to flop.
A player we were linked with last summer was Orkun Kökçü who was playing (and captaining) a Feyenoord side that won the Eredivisie last season. He was excellent, showing grit and fight, but with excellent technique and real intelligence on and off the ball.
Several United fans rolled their eyes and derided the idea of signing a player most hadn't heard of. Some even said he was only being considered because he was playing in the Netherlands and we have a Dutch manager.
He went to Benfica for around 21m with a further potential 4m in add-ons. Touted as the replacement for Enzo Fernandez after his 100m+ move to Chelsea. We all know just how good Benfica's scouting tends to be. They have made a name for themselves for smart signings who they later go on to sell for massive fees. So it should come as no surprise that Kökçü is ripping it up in Portugal, more than filling the Enzo Fernandez size hole in their midfield.
He is an example of another player we could have signed for 20-30m last summer instead of spending 60m on Mason Mount. He is a similar player but has more experience of playing deeper in midfield and is probably better when playing deep than Mount.
I'm not saying Mount is a bad player, and I actually think he'll prove to be a good signing for the club. I just think there were far more savvy signings available out there.
We have been linked with making a 60-100m bid for Ivan Toney in January in some rags, a player who again I think would be a good player for us. Or a 120m for Osimhen is another player linked to the club as we look to shift Martial and add some competition and depth to Hojlund up front. But should we signing players whose fees are massively inflated. When we could look to someone like Santiago Gimenez again playing for Feyenoord with a reported fee of between 35-40m being touted. He has 18 goals from 16 games for Feyenoord across league, cup and European games this season.
Yet whenever we get linked to such players many United fans complain that they aren't the "standard" of player we should be signing. All they ever want is super star signings, big names for big fees to use to gloat at opposition fans.
That might be the hardest thing for any new footballing structure to deal with when making changes. How do you make the necessary changes when you know there will be a big backlash from a vocal section of the clubs support.
We need to be savvy if we are going to rebuild this squad in under 5 years, because that's how long it will take at least if we insist that every signing has to be a 60m+ super star or at least well known player.
6.) 07 Nov 2023 15:58:40
Because there must be at least one midfielder left in the world that Liverpool haven't bid for or been linked with.
Utd don't have a great history with South American players. There are a few for sure, Tevez is probably my favourite ever alongside King Eric, but there have been so many flops in there too.
7.) 07 Nov 2023 23:18:57
Did France used to be in South America spenno? ;)
8.) 08 Nov 2023 09:12:21
Sure Spenno but there are many South American players who have been amazing in the Premier league. Just because Utd had a bad run with players from there doesn't mean it always has to be so.
9.) 08 Nov 2023 12:28:03
You can’t put Tevez in the same sentence as Cantona surely?!
10.) 08 Nov 2023 13:05:41
You just did 2toms.
14 Jul 2022 11:03:10
Hi Ed002, if you have a moment please? Are you aware of Utd seriously trying to buy any midfielders other than Erikson and FDJ?
By that I mean have they made offers or are they in negotiations to bring in alternative players?
Also, do you know why the Erikson deal hasn't been completed? I understand it's been agreed in principle subject to a medical. What are they waiting for?
Thanks in advance.
{Ed002's Note - DvdB has also returned. They have other options they will move on to if needs be. Players like Garner will be looked at in pre-season. There is nothing holding up Eriksen.}
1.) 14 Jul 2022 12:18:22
Thanks for the reply Ed002.
There are 8 weeks left in the transfer window so still plenty of time for Utd to sign alternative midfielders.
Eriksen puzzles me though. Why agree a contract then not complete the deal? Is Eriksen waiting to see who else Utd buy? Does Eriksen want to avoid going on the pre season tour? Is Eriksen coming dependent on Ronaldo leaving? Is Eriksen waiting for instructions from his home planet?
{Ed002's Note - It is all but done.}
2.) 14 Jul 2022 13:19:07
I would hope they are taking their time with the medical side, making sure he is safe to play.
I admit that after last year I'm paranoid about him playing, nobody wants to see a repeat of what happened.
3.) 14 Jul 2022 15:27:40
Ed002, I am interested to hear your opinion on DVB. Do you think ETH wil be able to fit him into this United setup and get the best from him or is he simply not good enough at this level?
Personally, I feel like he is a very good player who has not had a decent run in the side but any time I have seen him play, he is marked improvement on Fred or McT.
{Ed002's Note - He played well at Ajax and will be part of the squad.}
20 Jan 2021 09:37:43
Hi Ed002, hope you're good.
Thanks for the Lingard update. Let's hope at least one of the 6 clubs you mentioned make him an offer. I'd despair if Utd gave him a new contract.
Any news on Jones, Rojo and Romero?
{Ed002's Note - Sergio Romero (G) out of contract with an offer from Inter Miami on the table - may look to stay in England but would not be a starter. Valencia have spoken with his agent about a pre-contract. Not keen on a return to Argentina just yet.
Phil Jones (CB) an option for Burnley if James Tarkowski leaves. Else would likely need to drop down to the Championship to find a club where he would start.
Marcos Rojo (LWB/CB) not wanted and another mess caused by the amateurs at Old Trafford – Fiorentina were interested at the start of 2020 but MU blocked the move and he ended up on loan at Estudiantes. They wanted to keep him on loan for the last year of his contract - or could have taken him for perhaps €5M spread over the season and the player wished to stay there. Another mistake by the amateurs. He is another player for which there are limitations where he could move to. Manchester United are of course not assisting and after pricing him out of a move to Estudiantes, who really only wanted another loan in any case - that would have given Manchester United a loan fee as his contract runs down. So they have been stuck with another player that has been offered around. Estudiantes remain interested but Boca Juniors are pushing to have Manchester United release him this month rather than in the summer. Cruz Azul have said they were looking at him as a CB option after being offered the player. Penerol were also offered the player and I suspect others were as well.
1.) 20 Jan 2021 11:26:58
Thanks Ed002, much appreciated.
2.) 20 Jan 2021 14:58:34
Hey ed thanks for the details and the f-wittery that goes on at Utd doesn't surprise me.
Any news on Youth loans?
Pellistri has been mentioned.
{Ed002's Note - Teden Mengi (CB) A January loan is possible. QPR have spoken with Manchester United. Pellestri may get a loan. Diallo will stay with U23s for now.}
3.) 20 Jan 2021 19:16:34
Surprised that romero couldn't be a starter for a Premier league club. I think he's done well for us and clubs could do a lot worse.
4.) 21 Jan 2021 12:27:21
RedD. He'd a lot better than Pickford, Pope and a few others. I'm also surprised there's not more interest in him.
23 Sep 2020 15:41:13
Ed002, if you don't mind. Do you have insight into the possibility of some of the surplus players leaving the club.
Specifically, Rojo, Jones, Lingard, Dalot, Romero, Grant, Perreria.
Is it that nobody wants to buy them or don't they want to leave? Is the problem their salaries because other clubs won't pay them that much or they won't take a pay cut to secure a move?
The last question might be more difficult to answer, but do you think that they think they might get another chance to play for Utd or is it that they are happy to receive their wages just for turning up to training?
{Ed002's Note - All of this has been answered. Estudiantes want Rojo but are not going to pay the asking price. Phil Jones will not be going anywhere. Lingard will likely look to run down his contract rather than move which is not in his best interests. Dalot is being priced out of a moved or offered as a part exchange. Romero could leave for Valencia in the coming days - very unhappy with the club. No idea about Grant. Pereira was priced out of a move.}
1.) 23 Sep 2020 21:31:51
It somehow gets more farcical by the day. I understand it's a business and the club will want to make money where possible but surely there's one person with some common sense who sees we should cut our losses with some of these players?
2.) 23 Sep 2020 21:44:01
Just when you think it can't get worse. if this doesn't make the club realise they need a DoF, i don't know what will.
We will be holding onto players after haggling over a few mil and paying that and more in wages over the course of the year. Worse, it doesn't free up squad space for new recruits. P**s poor planning.
3.) 23 Sep 2020 21:54:42
Thanks Ed002, your response is much appreciated.
I know the flavour of the month is slag off the club but seems they're damned if they won't accept what they deem to be unacceptably low offers and damned because they won't move on surplus wages.
I think the real problem is wages. Clubs will only offer low fees because of how much the wages make the total cost of taking on the player. In this respect the club has made a rod for its own back.
4.) 23 Sep 2020 23:41:36
Surplus players, not wages.
5.) 24 Sep 2020 08:04:00
A DOF won’t make any difference if they report up the financial route to Woodward, it would still be a financial decision rather than a more balanced one if they report to the board. That way financial is a consideration but not the only one
I would be guessing but trying to use player exchange says they want to retain cash, possibly for a separate bigger deal or just to protect dividends.
6.) 24 Sep 2020 09:41:38
Who in their right mind would price Pereira out of a move? Oh yeah, we're not run by people in their right minds.
7.) 26 Sep 2020 23:20:29
I feel sorry for Romero, the club have treated him like crap and hope he gets the move he wants. I like the guy and he has never really let the team down when he has been called upon.
18 Sep 2020 20:19:11
Question for Ed002. How can utd get rid of Jones, lingard, rojo and pereira?
{Ed002's Note - Manchester Evening News, "Donkeys For Sale: 0161 868 8000"}
1.) 18 Sep 2020 22:06:56
Hahahaha 😂😂😂.
2.) 18 Sep 2020 22:18:09
Ed002, you need to occupy the stage at the Albert Hall on comedy night.
3.) 18 Sep 2020 22:30:09
LOL Ed.
4.) 18 Sep 2020 22:31:35
Lol. Has anyone tried dialling this number? Is it really the Men? I'm not sure I dare.
Thanks Ed002, can I interest you in a donkey?
5.) 18 Sep 2020 23:09:41
That's cruel.
Some poor farmer or someone might actually need a donkey, call that number and get stuck with Phil Jones.
Sure he can probably haul a load, but he'll spend all harvest injured, and his gurning will traumatize the other animals.
6.) 18 Sep 2020 23:24:32
Lollll.
7.) 19 Sep 2020 08:59:42
Coming into panto season.
8.) 18 Sep 2020 23:03:17
🤣🤣🤣 brilliant ed002.
9.) 19 Sep 2020 13:45:11
Don't know about those other players but signing Jones would mean investing in a personal medical room to keep him company throughout his contract as well as paying his wages. Don't think anyone would be as gracious as Man United to do that.
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16 Nov 2022 09:30:11
Beckham doubles down; trousering £10 million to support the Qatari world cup followed by moves to sign CR37.
Stay classy Becks.
1.) 16 Nov 2022 10:10:18
Be fair mancman.
Getting ronaldo over to inter miami would be a great coup.
Unlikely I'd suggest at least this winter but it would be great for them and us.
No matter what we think of him he is still box office. The most would suit him at this stage of his career.
As for him promoting the wc i'm ok with that.
Players are playing in it coaches are coaching TV companies are televising it sponsors are sponsoring. Life goes on.
You don't have to condone their human rights record to work there.
I'd also be surprised if it is a fee as low as 10m tbh.
2.) 16 Nov 2022 15:37:27
Ken, you employ people and I don't but do you really want toxic narcissists like CR37 in your workplace representing your company? Maybe they have a role but they don't reflect well on the organisation. Also, I'm not sure Ronwho? is box office any more; he's just a sad has been.
On the second point; condoning Qatar's human rights record is exactly what Beckham is doing. Simple as that.
It amazes me that people with the sort of money that Beckham or Ronaldo have feel the need to behave so shoddily for the sake of a few extra quid.
What Beckham and Ronaldo have chosen to do because of the money and their egos has trashed their reputations and standing. Is it really worth it when you already have $450 million (Beckham) and $500 million (Ronwho? )?
3.) 16 Nov 2022 16:35:31
Trump gets a lot of media attention too. So does Putin. I could do without both. and Reinaldo too. All of them are narcissists with destructive egos, and I for one, would be happy for them all to slip quietly away (along with Harry and Meghan) .
4.) 16 Nov 2022 17:00:43
Mancman.
So all the players playing in wc are guilty if condoning their human rights record. All the TV companies all the sponsors all the fans? Your being ridiculous imo.
Do you put their petrol in your car? Do you fly? Do you use any type of product derived from their resources?
Next time your on a flight going on holiday think about how your putting money in their coffers. At least becks is taking money off them not giving it to them indirectly.
But you put all that to the back of your mind because it would be very inconvenient for you to not use their products. But it's possible so do you practise what you preach?
5.) 16 Nov 2022 17:03:18
lol shawthing, i forgot about the other world class attention seekers; me-again and mr markle. what a pair of losers.
6.) 16 Nov 2022 19:10:39
Ken, since you ask the question; Yes! They are all complicit in that respect.
I don't have a choice as to where the petrol in my car comes from. If I did I would try to buy my petrol from a country which had a decent human rights record (although it's hard to actually think of one! ) . If I had a choice other than petrol such as eFuel then I would use it.
The players are entering a sporting competition and it's not their fault the location has been chosen simply because it paid the biggest bribes. Yes, they could make a statement by deciding not to participate but that's a heck of an ask of these young people who on the whole are just interested playing football.
It's a different matter when it comes to broadcasters and sponsors. These organisations have a choice and I would argue they actually do their brands harm by being associated with any world cup and the corruption that surrounds them (FIFA), never mind this one and the horrors perpetrated by the host dictators.
Then there is Beckham who is taking money from these vile people to try and make it look like Qatar and what they do is somehow normal and acceptable. And here you are suggesting that is all OK when it is definitely not.
7.) 16 Nov 2022 19:55:50
Mancman.
Beckham reputation is not thrashed at all. You might think so but he has lost no followers no sponsors and no money by advertorial this role. Your letting your emotions dictate your thought process.
Ronaldos rep maybe for the moment under pressure but all this will be yesterday's news in no time and if he scores goals and did well at inter he will be revered.
Yes I employ people and yes I would employ Beckham in the morning or approach him to help one of my brands. (I could not afford him)
Hiring ronaldo next will be a good move depending on who you are and I think it would be a great move for inter.
There is little room in business for emotion.
Numbers do the talking and the numbers ronaldo would bring to miami are to big to ignore.
Yes you would do a risk assessment and look at context etc but I think he would be a great signing for inter.
I would never let my emotions dictate business decisions.
8.) 16 Nov 2022 20:40:27
Mancman I'm not suggesting they're human rights record is OK so let's be clear on that.
But I am suggesting it's OK to work there and do business there and to have friends from there.
I know a gay people who do business there.
9.) 17 Nov 2022 08:45:14
There's perhaps a difference Ken between who Beckham is doing business with and perhaps who you might be doing business with.
On the one hand I expect you do business with your Qatari peers or non Qataris who live in Qatar and are all perfectly respectable decent human beings as I am sure you are.
Beckham on the other hand is receiving money to promote a despotic regime of slavers who commit human rights abuses.
You see the difference right?
If Beckham was representing Hitler or a child sex grooming gang would that be OK as far as you're concerned because it's just business and emotions shouldn't get in the way?
10.) 17 Nov 2022 12:08:10
No he is not manman he is being paid to promote a football tournament in quasar not to promote any individual or family.
Get your facts right.
Do you know who is paying him?
You've no idea don't jump to conclusions just to back up your ridicules argument.
When Beckham promotes an individual and tries to justify their human rights record let me know mancman.
11.) 17 Nov 2022 15:13:58
Ken, I think you re splitting hairs and being rather disingenuous.
You know as well as I do that hosting/ bank rolling the world cup and other sporting tournaments plus owning football clubs is an attempt at sportwashing.
You know perfectly well that regimes such as Qatar, Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia use sportwashing to try and make themselves acceptable to the rest of the world in an attempt to distract and cover up the appalling activities they carry out to maintain power including slavery and genocide.
Beckham is taking money from the Qatari Government to help with exactly this process. He is being paid to pretend that Qatar is a modern, progressive society when we all know it is very much the opposite.
You don't need me to explain this to you, you know it already so I don't understand why you are pretending to be so naive by suggesting he is "just promoting a football tournament".
12.) 18 Nov 2022 13:47:33
I don't believe that that's their objective manman when buying into football clubs.
They are not trying to improve or hide their way of running the country or countries.
If you think that's their objective I feel your mistaken.
If they wanted people to believe they were more inclusive and progressive then they need to change their laws not buy football clubs or host tournaments.
You can see by the drink ban today that they are not for bending on that so it's not a problem exercise at all.
Your mad If you think that's their objective.
Have you ever been there?
08 Aug 2022 11:47:40
After yesterday I am now starting to think that Utd are more a mid table team at best rather than top four or top six.
Traditionally they have spent lots of money on players but I don't think those levels of funds are available anymore.
Utd need to start thinking like a mid table team and recruit accordingly. They need to stop fantasising about players like FdJ for mega money because the whole squad needs replacing and Utd can't afford to pay top dollar for every new player. Plus as they are finding with FdJ, these top level players don't want to come to Utd and why would they? FdJ won't move to Wolves or Villa so why on earth do Utd think he wants to join them?
Utd now need to get creative and start thinking like clubs such as Brighton and Southampton for their recruitment. Even Newcastle with new cash have been very astute with their additions so far in this window.
If Utd are going to get to the top again it's going to be a long climb. The first step is to improve on what there is. The perfect is the enemy of the good enough and unfortunately the pursuit of FDJ is really getting in the way of signing two new midfielders who are good enough to massively improve Utd's midfield straightaway. They might not be the players required to compete at the very top level but I believe Utd can bring in some players who will do an excellent job for a few seasons. The same is true all over the pitch.
Having said this, Utd have to be smart as well as creative which means more players like Erikson rather than Arnautovic. These gems are out there but finding and acquiring them requires the right structures for scouting and then negotiating the purchase. More importantly it requires a more humble and realistic attitude as to where the club is at and what it needs right now.
If Utd don't make any real changes before the end of the transfer window then I estimate they will finish somewhere between 10th and 13th because there are at least 10 better teams/ squads in the division.
1.) 08 Aug 2022 12:13:04
We got beat by a team that lost their 2 best players so effectively fielded a weaker team than the one that beat us 4-0. there are more than 10 team better than us.
If this is it for incomings, and we now rely on players no one else wants, a top half finish looks like a pipe dream.
2.) 08 Aug 2022 12:40:31
Are funds limited?
We've spent best part of 70m on Martinez and Malacia. Given Eriksen a well paid contract.
We have an offer of £64-72m accepted by Barcelona for Frankie De Jong, if that deal goes through we will have spent over 140m.
While we reportedly offered 60m for Antony from Ajax which was rejected, but again if that deal was accepted that could have potentially taken our summer spending to around 200m mark.
I think the money is there to spend on the right players, but the club are trying to learn from past mistakes and refuse to over pay for the wrong players/ our 3rd,4th or 5th choice.
3.) 08 Aug 2022 13:10:28
I think the board has belatedly recognized the depths to which we have sunk under Woodward's misguided leadership and are now in the process of dealing with that reality, which is to say the dilution of the club's financial strength. We have very little value in the squad itself, an elevated debt, no champions league football, and one 37 year old marquee clickbait player who no one else wants. If things don't improve the most lucrative sponsorship deals will go elsewhere as the best players and managers have already done.
The signs have been there since before SAF retired. The spat with Rooney when he put in a transfer request when he realized the club's lack of ambition in the transfer market. the "no value" excuse. He was bribed out of moving. The need to overpay to get any top players to join us, and then the surprise when these reluctant mercenaries failed to impress. And why did they jump at the chance of hiring OGS? Because the job was regarded as toxic and no top manager wanted it. His brief period of success was jumped upon despite having said he was just a caretaker.
So, how as businessmen do they move forward? Basically what they have done: hire a manager who can maximize potential and instill a system and discipline while cutting the fat out of the payroll, intending to restore profitability at mid table level. The owners have taken a lot of hits recently. C.V. No ECL. And, ironically - something we all most likely opposed - the failure to move the European Super League forward. It would have provided United with guaranteed participation at the top table and the income that comes with it.
Yesterday's performance was dire, particularly the first half capitulation. But there were a couple of signs of potential. At least Rashford got into scoring position a couple of times. Eriksen provided some accuracy and threat. Despite the size differentials - Malacia marking Dunk was comical - we did not concede against any set pieces. We're not going to be champions. Top 4 looks beyond us. We're not splashing out on top players who don't want to come to us anyway. There will be no ground improvements. The best we can hope for is a setting of the table for the future. or a white knight.
4.) 08 Aug 2022 13:54:55
weve spent about 50 million net shappy. you expect not to spend much if you have just won the title but we finished on our lowest ever total, our worst ever season in prem history
saved over a million a week on wages.
more sales will most likely happen and if Ronaldo goes that's another massive chunk of money saved
but never mind ay we have had bids rejected for players knowing the fee was well below there asking price
getting a fee accepted for a player that doesn't want to join, its all very clever by the powers at be, they can swing the "we tried to sign players" quote.
5.) 08 Aug 2022 14:05:21
The proof is in the pudding of what we’ve actually spent. We’ve invested in Martinez and Malacia which has been offset slightly by sales. That’s it.
Judging by the calibre of player we are looking at, I insist that there are limited funds available. The club has been bled dry by the Glazers.
Please buy these idiots out Mr Ratcliffe.
6.) 08 Aug 2022 14:52:48
Shappy, of course funds are limited. Why do think Utd have tried to sign a striker for £10 million and not £50 million.
Utd need 20 new players. They can't spend £50 million on each one.
Time to get creative and unearth some bargains.
7.) 08 Aug 2022 18:06:34
Funds are only limited because we have blown so much on trash. United will earn big piles more money though and sadly I am not confident we don't blow that too.
United aren't a Mid Table club at all. They are a massive club being run extremely badly thus ending up mid table in terms of results.
United will keep wasting huge amounts of money, more than teams above them until they luck upon a good DoF and Manager combination at which point they might begin to sort things out.
United are right where we deserve to be at the moment but it's not lack of funds that put us there, it's spending those funds on dross.
8.) 08 Aug 2022 18:11:54
I also meant to add that we have have become extremely unattractive to players due to the aforementioned incompetence.
19 Jul 2022 16:23:18
Whats' you're views on booing players? I'm all for it for lazy so and sos like Pogba because they need to be told.
I'm dead against it with players such as Fellaini and Maguire who try hard but aren't good enough.
1.) 19 Jul 2022 17:06:45
You shouldn't boo any player for your own team ever you can dislike them not like their performance but were called supporters for a reason.
2.) 19 Jul 2022 17:15:35
Why would you support someone who doesn’t want to put the effort in, who can’t be arsed and isn’t giving everything?
3.) 19 Jul 2022 18:29:11
I think it's pretty shocking to be honest. Don't get it at all. If he's done something out of order and is in the spotlight (Zouma, for example) I could completely get it. But Utd fans booing one of their own because they don't deem him good enough, which seems to be the only explanation? He was overpriced, and isn't good enough to be our captain, but the manager seems happy enough and he's the best judge right now.
4.) 19 Jul 2022 18:35:42
I personally wouldn't do it, but I have no problem with others doing it. Each to their own.
5.) 19 Jul 2022 18:40:27
Because you support the club, not a player. You support your team have your opinion but we are supportors we support and encourage our team its that damn simple.
Biggest reason we have such lazy selfish players now is because we have "fans" of players, who only see the good the highlight reels, the off field dramatics, meaning sponsors aren't after the best player just the biggest star.
Rather than having supporters of teams who support their team no matter what and encourage their players to do better for the team and play better for the team.
6.) 19 Jul 2022 19:26:06
Doesn't bother me either way to be honest. You only need to look in here to see how diverse fan opinions are.
7.) 19 Jul 2022 19:44:55
It's definitely not ok to boo our own players. They are human beings. Some of them may be going through personal difficulties. We're fans. We should support them, and that includes if they are playing terribly. In fact I would say that it is exactly when they are playing terribly that it matters the most. I have a big problem with people doing it. By all means get on here and air it out. That's what forums are great for. But to do it in person is never ok.
8.) 19 Jul 2022 20:41:58
Don if people didn't boo and stand up for the club over transient employees like pogba or ole who dragged standards and expectations well below minimum requirement we would still be having to put up with it.
It's OK to boo people if they don't represent us as fans and it's OK to boo them if they are falling below our beliefs and expectations on how employees should represent the club.
I'm not a fan of any transient employee of the club in a fan of the club.
Players who earn my respect as a fan will get all the support they earn. I agree that this is a better place to vent emotional frustrations but a manager like ole was not boo'd early enough and ended up taking the club for millions and as fans nobody bats an eye when him and his coaching team cost more than the glazers dividend.
9.) 19 Jul 2022 21:36:26
Fans in the ground shouldn’t boo their own, there were times in the Stretford End last season where it was cringe worthy. We are there to support and create an atmosphere that’s an advantage for US, not the opposition.
In relation to booing players who don’t try etc etc…. we shouldn’t have to boo if the management were doing their jobs properly and in full control of the club. Hopefully we’ve got that right now.
10.) 20 Jul 2022 07:17:09
Didn't see the game but read he for booed every touch for first half hour. It seems as if EtH is going to be playing Harry this year though, so we need the best version of HM there is.
I wouldn't be booing him and certainly wouldn't be getting on one of our players back like that from kick off. I don't think it helps the team in any way to get a result which at every game is actually what I want.
11.) 20 Jul 2022 07:38:42
Ken you're one of the most level headed lads here so I'm genuinely surprised you take that viewpoint. In any walk of life people will sometimes not do as well as others want, but showing support can change things. It is simply ludicrous to suggest that the sound of boos is the metric by which a club should judge satisfaction with performance.
12.) 20 Jul 2022 17:28:28
Thanks Don.
I'm afraid that we differ slightly on this one but only slightly.
I believe that a player or anybody as you say when going through a tough time needs to be shown empathy and support but that caveat to that is they must be deserving of our respect and empathy and support.
A player, and we have had many over the last 10 years that is giving his all and is not up to standard then I would not be in favour of him being ridiculed in any way.
But if a player is a cheat and then cheats again and then again. If a player publicly shames the club and allows his agent (rip) to do so without a word in the clubs defence. Then the decision makers should be made aware and the player should be made aware that he does not represent us as fans and booing like it or not is a way of fans telling the club and player you've lost us and our respect.
09 May 2022 12:59:50
genuine question; what happens to Pogba if no one wants to sign him?
Does he keep lowering his wage demands and widening the circle of clubs he might sign for until someone bites?
Could he potentially end up at Newcastle on £50k a week if that's the best offer he's going to get?
1.) 09 May 2022 13:13:43
Pretty much yeah. But seeing as there is a 450k a week deal from United still on the table I doubt he'll need to lower his demands that much.
{Ed014's Note - he’ll sign don’t worry Shappy ?
2.) 09 May 2022 13:23:22
Ornstein reporting that he has options from Madrid, PSG and Juve and has turned down city reportedly.
Certainly won't be with us next season but will probably be playing at a higher standard in Europe than we will be.
3.) 09 May 2022 13:25:30
I really want to believe the club is changing for the better and letting Pogba go is part of that, as is seeing some of the people upstairs leaving and Ten Hag coming in.
However, I can't let go of the feeling that this summer we're going to end up with Pogba signing a new deal, Martial, Donny and Pereira coming back and the club line on them is that they are "like new signings" and our main big signing ends up being our 8th choice defensive midfielder.
4.) 09 May 2022 13:39:55
It will be interesting to see where he ends up, and what sort of price he can extract. Quite apart from not lighting up the field with his play, his self-promotion and injury record make him a potentially expensive liability wherever he goes. His success as part of very good Juventus and French teams masked his deficiencies while reinforcing his generally languorous approach to the game.
5.) 09 May 2022 14:18:51
just let him go, if he hasn't got the desire and ambition to play in the Europa conference league then we don't want him.
6.) 09 May 2022 14:18:51
just let him go, if he hasn't got the desire and ambition to play in the Europa conference league then we don't want him.
7.) 09 May 2022 15:01:22
Utd have made him a £450k a week offer? That's insane! I think if Pogba re-signs for Utd then the Ten Hag project is dead before it's even begun; all credibility will be lost out of the starting gate.
DSG, the idea of City making an offer just isn't credible which makes me wonder about the validity of the claim he has received offers from the other clubs.
I'd love to see him struggling to find a club.
8.) 09 May 2022 15:48:18
Why would you love to see him struggle to see him find a new club? Very odd behaviour, don't see why fans are making it personal with pogba.
The reality is Pogbas future is none of our concern, he's seen out his contract and will leave.
The club has 99 problems to sort out this summer with a new manager and Pogba isn't one of them which is at least something positive for Ten Hag.
9.) 09 May 2022 16:01:43
Break that table which has offer and burn it.
10.) 09 May 2022 16:50:34
Don’t think anyone will offer more than allegedly what we have offered. Probably would still offer the club a lot on twitter etc despite not much on the pitch. Hopefully it will be au revoir pogba but with these owners, who knows.
11.) 09 May 2022 16:53:40
Club trying to save face and make it out Pogba wants to leave when he leave, Pogba will say something about the fans driving him out.
Good thing he not going City because he get found out as the most overrated player in the world, think he go and joint that Harlem Globetrotters team in France with the other clowns like Neymar and company.
12.) 09 May 2022 16:59:03
Sadly I can believe we have offered him 450k a week. The question I have is how? How can anyone think that he is worth that, it just beggars belief.
What do our staff see that I can't over the last 5 years.
13.) 09 May 2022 19:30:29
He won't be short of offers and will earn a huge amount more than if he stays with us which neither party want.
Goodbye good riddance. I expect him to do well wherever he goes.
14.) 09 May 2022 19:54:27
He’s going guys. Wish him well whatever he chooses to do - just not good enough for a club liking to be at the top of the Premier league or Utd. Plain and simple.
E wet one talks about how good he was in Italy. The standard of that league is way below ours, and he was surrounded by worries…. don’t get me started on international football….
15.) 09 May 2022 20:21:36
Doesn't hurt having Kante around on the international stage who can cover for him.
16.) 10 May 2022 09:43:50
I’m sure we will see clips of him doing well wherever he goes but I hope I never have to watch 90 minutes of that clown strolling round a pitch ever again.
17.) 10 May 2022 10:43:19
Do you hate him gds2?
18.) 10 May 2022 12:13:14
DSG, I'd love to see him struggling because he represents many of the things I despise in football which can be pretty much summed up as style over substance.
He has taken the michael out of Utd fans for years with his lazy phoned in performances and I believe he and his stinky attitude are a large part of why this whole Utd squad is so rotten.
He might be a nice guy, model professional blah blah blah but where it really counts he has been useless. The idea that he is one of the leagues highest earners is insulting and it's only this way because he looks like he should be good at football even though he isn't.
Pogba; ugh.
19.) 10 May 2022 12:23:29
Who cares what happens to him as long as he's out of our club for next season.
20.) 10 May 2022 12:27:42
Ahhh i see, so you hate him for a load of reasons that you have no knowledge of and are projecting that he has done based on beliefs.
Makes sense lol.
21.) 10 May 2022 13:39:49
No DSG, I don't hate Pogba but I really don't like what he represents.
As for 'no knowledge', I've watched him ponce about on the football pitch like the 'great I am' but to little effect for the last 6 years earning massive wages paid for by the fans.
What else do I need to know to form a valid opinion on this?
Dont you see that Pogba is a massive part of the problem? Doesn't it pig you off as well that he has been such a waste of a shirt?
22.) 10 May 2022 13:41:33
sim01975, I think for the good of the game some of these big time charlies need to be seen to fall flat in their derriers, rather than rewarded for being crap and not trying.
23.) 10 May 2022 14:13:45
I expect pogba to go back to Juventus personally and will not really miss him. I kinda gave up on pogba a couple of seasons ago after getting fed up watching him not track runners and doing his jog walk whilst opposition midfielders ran past him overloading on our defence. I always think to be a team you have to give everything for your teammates and thought he disrespected others by not applying effort (I would be appalled if I was a team colleague of his) . Maybe I am old school but giving your all should be a given. Skill on its own does not win you games and you have to equal or better the effort of the other team, without this you will struggle regardless of ability. It's not just pogba though a fair few of our players appear to share this attitude like pogba.
24.) 10 May 2022 15:20:08
Il eat my words if i'm wrongg but at the right team that he's happy at i think he will be the player that we hoped for but didn't get.
25.) 10 May 2022 18:03:18
I think the problem is Pogba isn't the player we all hoped we were getting anyway and certainly wasn't the player we needed.
26.) 10 May 2022 18:14:59
I wouldn’t say I hate him, don’t really hate anyone in football, I don’t know the guy, I hate the way he’s played for us and the circus around him though and I hate the nonsense in every international break. I’ve never really thought he was a great footballer and I’m glad to see the back of him.
27.) 10 May 2022 19:51:56
I find it highly unlikely he hasn't known exactly where he's going for some time personally. All this stuff all managers and players come out with about concentrating on the next game and nothing else matters. yeah right. They're on Indeed.com as soon as they get home like the rest of us!
10 Apr 2022 00:08:32
Imagine spending, £1 billion + on your product and its worse rhan ever.
Embarrassing or what?
1.) 10 Apr 2022 11:15:26
Now imagine abusing the same people who splashed £1 Billion because you don’t have an excuse ?.
2.) 11 Apr 2022 06:36:58
Ron, they splashed it without any plan.
Players like Ronaldo, Pogba were signed more for the commercial side.
The fans have been drained with how the club is run.
Player power is given a say than the manager.
08 Nov 2023 09:12:21
Sure Spenno but there are many South American players who have been amazing in the Premier league. Just because Utd had a bad run with players from there doesn't mean it always has to be so.
06 Nov 2023 20:01:50
Agreed Shappy. It's not as though Andre has been hiding away tho. He's played for Brazil already, he's a regular for one of Brazils biggest clubs and apparently was the stand out player when they won the Copa Libertadores last night. I think there was even an article in the Guardian about him.
I understand Utd is poorly run and the DoF is obviously an idiot but you would have thought Utd would at least have an interest being as he plays in the position Utd have not filled satisfactory since Carrick.
06 Nov 2023 10:11:46
Thanks Ed.
28 Oct 2023 00:57:29
I'll start the bidding at £3.50.
17 Sep 2023 19:54:03
Wow Shappy, I wasn't expecting such a full and interesting reply but thanks.
Although you're right I was trying to suggest how his lack of mental fortitude manifests itself on the pitch in the form of laziness and softness.
He doesn't exactly but a gut and when did you ever see him make a tackle?
Crap player, almost as bad as Pogcrap.
29 Nov 2023 13:29:17
In answer to the OP, I am not confident Utd will get a result tonight.
29 Nov 2023 11:27:13
I agree Patrick. I think the powers that be create unnecessary problems. If handball needed to be deemed deliberate like it used to be and VAR was just used for something clear and obvious, as it was supposed to be, then a lot of the controversy would go away.
27 Nov 2023 22:54:52
Thats 37 signings you've listed Shappy and I'd say three have been worthwhile; Romero, Shaw and Fernandes.
21 Nov 2023 18:41:19
Please, enough of the inverted wingers. Our 6'3" centre forward could do with a cross or two.
20 Nov 2023 10:55:55
The idea was to eliminate clear and obvious errors, not re-referee the game using the finest of margins.
I don't like it at all and I wish they'd just bin it. However, now it's here the problem is it's just being over used.