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12 Aug 2022 00:44:46
Anybody watching Arsenal on Amazon Prime?

Ringing any bells?

They backed the manager, are we backing ETH?

Time will tell but we all have to back ETH he is a great coach.

Burnleyred

1.) 12 Aug 2022 06:13:16
We were having a few drinks with tim sherwood and a few friends of his after playing golf down at valderama. One of the guys with tim was josh barnett who’s dad i think has a big sports agency and he is himself an agent and reckons arsenal can win the league. I was not paying much attention to what he was saying but a buddy of mine who is a mad liverpool supporter was telling me this later at dinner.


2.) 12 Aug 2022 07:47:32
Burnley

We don’t HAVE to do anything, the manager is a transitory employee, I back my club and my team. The manager either has the gravitas for instant respect or it needs to be earned. Moyes and Ole didn’t have gravitas or CV that said they could be manager, Jose did and to an extent so did LVG. It may not be popular but ETH has some gravitas shall we call it, very good coach but has not managed at this level either of club or league, so there remains an element of doubt. His start in terms of transfer targets is not inspiring, players he has worked with, who he trusts.

ETH could become a very good manager, now the club need to give him time and support. I would suggest the club also need to show balance in transfer dealings, the manager has no experience at the level, his instinct to be surrounded by those players he knows, should, in my opinion be challenged to an extent, he needs some guidance. Perhaps guidance was given over Arnautovic. The only problem is that those above him appear clueless.

ETH also needs to wake up to McFred, Rashford and buying a striker. His first selection was not impressive, but let’s hope that improves quickly.

As you can tell I am not all in on ETH as yet, potential is there but his appointment was another risk given his lack of experience in any of Europes major leagues.


3.) 12 Aug 2022 08:18:14
Blimey this must be incredible Friday! I find myself agreeing with Shappy on Rashford and now fully agree with RedMan on his post regarding TH. I am agreement his signings have been uninspiring his team selection dubious to say the least and I agree he is a gamble, hopefully he can make the step up and turns out to be an astute signing as manager and can really build a decent team.

Hopefully the club can also build behind the scenes it’s early days, ok they put new people in, they can’t just turn round in month 2 and say that’s not working let’s change all them again, if your all giving TH the benefit you have to supply the same logic to Arnold and Murtough….

You can’t start a new strategy one month and then decide the next it’s not working let’s change again, people have to settle people have to implement change, that’s not 1, 2 or 3 month excercise

Why you judging TH different then your judging the behind the scenes staff, they all have something to prove at this level.


4.) 12 Aug 2022 09:20:48
Red Man. He’s wanted midfield signings so he’s alive to the fact McFred are poor. He wants Gakpo so again is alive to the issues on the left and up top. My opinion anyway.

You seem not to be a fan of his, but let’s be honest whilst he gets criticism (rightly so) about the De Jong chase. We aren’t privy to what those working on the deal are telling him, for all we know murtough has told him no need to move on. Ask yourself why we are going for rabiot? When Ed gave us the midfield targets he was right down the bottom or maybe not even on it!

Of course EtH is responsible for what we see in the pitch. I won’t dispute that. However, the areas the players he’s targeted in are clear enough to me that he knows the issues. I bet arnautovic wasn’t our back up choice to Nunez. But you can probably bet he was told from above you have funds available for Nunez or De Jong. I might be wrong there, but that’s a theory I have. Like I say could be bolloxolgy. But he needs time from us and support, because ultimately if we overreact to everything and blame everything on him then another manager gets the sack and we sit back at square one with another new manager needing loads of investment that he won’t get.

We all know the major issue at the club, and at this moment in time it isn’t the manager.


5.) 12 Aug 2022 09:28:47
Redman

I agree what you are saying.

When I said are we backing ETH I mean as in the club.

I don't think Arsenal fans backed Arteta at first.

Things take time, but Arsenal clearly backed him with signings he wanted regardless of price. They got in young talent who could be made better and play a certain way. We should be doing the same in my opinion, we won't be challenging again for a few years at least, we need some perspective as a club.


6.) 12 Aug 2022 10:44:53
So please answer this all those moaning about Arnold and Murtough, have they not been in the job the same amount of time as Ten Haag, so if your willing to give him time, why are you judging the others with a different compass, surely if you give one latitude you have to give the others the sawme.

Why is it when we’re linked with a player you don’t like and don’t get its Murtough and Arnold’s fault, but when linked with same players you like they somehow become Ten Haag recruits

Your using double standards to judge the same thing and that’s plainly wrong, if Arnold and Murtough are to be sacked as you want then you have to sack TH too, because all in same boat. I seem to remember TH wanting overall say in transfers and by the looks of it that’s what he got, so you can’t blame one without the other that’s just childish.


7.) 12 Aug 2022 10:54:56
Lets see what happens from here till the end if the window and 10/ 15 games into the season. Way too early imo to judge anything.


8.) 12 Aug 2022 11:40:36
Exactly, to be fair we are all going to have to reserve judgment till at least end of the season, so to include rest of this transfer window and the next one and hopefully also see some sort of improvement on the pitch and some sort of direction, if no green shoots by then, they can all be disposed of far as I am concerned, but it’s plain wrong making judgments already and also abusing any players we might go or not go for.

Do I think Ten Haag is the man. probably not
Do I think Murtough and Arnold are right. probably not
Do I think Ten Haag made a ash of the first game . yes I do
Do I think all the signings mentioned that we have actually gone for or signed are Ten Haag choices . Yes I do

Do I think they are right signings. No I don’t.

But you have to give a season to be proved right or wrong and all have to be judged the same, not differently…. At end of the day no stats, no claptrap no wingding it will be about where in the league we finish and points that define if successful or not!


9.) 12 Aug 2022 12:48:01
Hello, arsenal fan here. i'm sure everyone knows the stick MA got after the first 3 games last season. Whilst i'm not saying is the chosen one, i am glad he was given time and support by the board. Winning over the fans is a whole other thing. This can only be achieved with results.

Personally i think ETH is a really good coach/ manager. The sentiments about him not ever be in charge of a club like manchester utd is rightly so too but the cracks within this squad is pretty large and only time can tell if ETH can fix them up.


10.) 12 Aug 2022 19:07:52
Newyorker, can we please give ETH a chance. He's had one match, the team played very poorly. Let's see what happens by the end of season. RedMan didn't want ETH and preferred Simione as manager, so he'll need convincing re ETH. But I'm sure you'll agree that ETH brand of football in his previous clubs is more interesting than Simione's boring brand of football.


11.) 12 Aug 2022 20:55:54
AAA

I preferred a manager who had achieved in a top league, Simeone, Conte, Tuchel, I wanted Pep and Klopp previously . I am not against ETH, but as you say need convincing. It is all about winning, fancy football means nothing, trust me, the scousers told us that with bells on in the 80’s.


 

 

29 Aug 2021 01:12:14
Hard to say a lot of things on this group without being ridiculed one way or another.

All I will say is like I have said the very few times I do come on here is. Trust the process, get behind the team and the manager regardless of the signings.

Now don't get me wrong having my favourite player of all time play once again at our home is amazing!

But we have amazing things like Greenwood, Bruno, Shaw, Maguire, Rushford and the future we all love to see.

We lost the Europa League last year because our manager wasn't good enough. He is still our manager but hopefully he is learning on the Job and eventually he will come good Time will tell

Here's to the future but one thing is clear if we don't win a trophy this year Ole has to take all the blame.

Burnleyred

1.) 29 Aug 2021 01:44:56
There is no problem expressing your opinion mate. I don't rate the manager but we are in a much better position than 3 years ago, our squad mainly. So fair play for whoever is responsible for this change, if its the coach well done but I think its the direction of the club that the manager fits in rather the opposite.
That said the worse thing that have happened is to lower the expectations. I have moved one step behind because i have no expectations and whatever comes would be a bonus. I support the team and i will not moan every day. But you can see in Chelsea what a good manager can do today at Liverpool. For me Chelsea were superb. Don't get me wrong, Tuchel is very defencive for my liking but you can see a plan and a good mentality in his team.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 02:35:07
Settling for mediocrity and viewing a top four finish as a successful season is a dangerous game. Just ask the Arsenal fans! I still have my doubts about Ole when it comes to in-game management, but I don’t think that anybody can dispute that the club is moving in the right direction when it comes to our squad. This is probably the best group of players we have had since the late two-thousands, and I think Ole, Woodward and, dare I say it, the Glazers. Not all of our recent signings and renewals have paid off (Donny, Jones, Matic, James and perhaps AWB spring to mind) and there’s still work to be done on and off the pitch, but the future looks a whole lot brighter than it has since SAF announced he was leaving, so that’s at least something to smile about!


3.) 29 Aug 2021 07:08:06
Ole has no excuses now.
Ronaldo and Varane are 2 of the most iconic and decorated football players with serial winning mentality.

Agree on Tuchel that he has a clear plan and what a resilience with 10 men for half a game.


4.) 29 Aug 2021 08:20:07
The right direction we are going on is only down to one person Ole. Go back 4 years and look at the team sheets for some games and then we will all appreciate what a good Job he is doing . There was a spell when I really disliked our squad, had no connection with them but now the squad he’s building is likeable, they want to be there and it seems they actually care like we do! And he’s done all this work under huge pressure, getting slaughtered by the press, the pundits and worst of all some of our fan base, yet not once has he spoke out of turn in public .
🔴⚪️⚫️.


5.) 29 Aug 2021 08:33:12
Chris 👏👏👏.


6.) 29 Aug 2021 08:42:31
Chris

Let’s see where we are at the end of the season. Ole talks some real rubbish in his conferences and his don’t lose tactical approach is not in keeping with the club. Let’s see how he adapts to having a demanding forward who won’t accept negative pass it sideways all the time football. Ole needs to win a major trophy and play football the right way, just being the face of the fans and nice doesn’t cut it. He has to learn on the job and last weeks showing indicated he had not learnt. He needs to quickly.


7.) 29 Aug 2021 10:09:00
Red Man - its my hope with Ronaldo coming in he might say" hold on, why we setting up so negative that's not how you go out to win games"


8.) 29 Aug 2021 10:12:59
He has done all that work while not winning anything and not challenging at all for a major trophy going into his 4th season which is the object of his job so he has been a failure thus far in my opinion.
Not lost away from home for a long time is a good thing but our home record over the same period is worse than any manager for 60 years.
For every ying there is a more damning yang for ole.
I suppose everybody sees things differently.
Your right the squad does look happy but imo they bloody well shouldn't until we challenge for major honours. Too much acceptance of mediocrity.
However we now have a player that can help change things raise the standards and lead from the front so my hope has gone up a notch or 2 but I don't believe much will change until we get a new manager.
Time will tell but I have at least a little hope now.


9.) 29 Aug 2021 10:15:44
We will always be critical of managers whoever comes, but Ole falls short the average manager.

I'm okay losing 4-5 games a season by 2-3 goals margin, if that means we tried to convert our draws to wins.

When we are 1-1 at 70 mins away to Southampton, I want us to not replace fred with mctominay, I want us to replace fred with mata or lingard someone who will attack.
I'm okay with him trying to have 2 CFs last 20 mins to win the game, and risk losing 2-1.
I bet you if we do this often we will win most of the these games.
He underuses mata, as he actually makes a run or a pass that can unlock a defense, same with Donny.
With the opposition worried about bruno and Pogba, they can be marked out. Then comes mata or Donny or Jesse someone who will not get even more space to express themselves.
We want a goal, and never have I ever seen him drop AWB, and bring on Dalot, or play dan james at RB to try and force a win. Draws are unacceptable except for big teams.

Like the old years, absolutely pin the other team down.
We might lose some here and there, but he will start earning respect.
This is what I want from Ole, be a bit brave, lose the slow negative approach.

With Cavani and ronaldo, games where we are not winning, even a simple hoof the ball up could work, those 2 are excellent with holdup.
If they have a young RB or LB, overload on that side. If they have a dodgy keeper, let's shoot at every chance we get.


10.) 29 Aug 2021 12:37:03
Good man @Chris. Very balanced and accurate description.

I have no doubt about the fact that some of the posters here have forgotten just how dire things were just 3 years ago and then there are others who just never got behind Ole because he wasn’t named klopp.

So weird that one of the greatest players of all time would want to play for Ole! He mustn’t be all that bad then I reckon!


11.) 29 Aug 2021 12:53:57
Good man@ redman a sensible accurate post imo.

{Ed014's Note - I love the fact some think he wanted to play for Ole when he himself wanted to go to City, he got his agent to ask them for £650k a week.

Pep had no interest and here he is.


12.) 29 Aug 2021 13:02:43
I think some people overestimate the job of a manager. Especially at transfers. For example we wanted Varane for several years, he was rather a club signing.

We would want an English talent like Sancho with or without Ole at charge and we wanted Maguire before ole even come at the club. Yes we have a better squad and leaders. But its the direction of the club not only thr manager.

The funny thing is how the board was at fault previous years but now things seem much better none comes here to praise the board but its down to the coach. that's hypocrisy.

{Ed014's Note - that doesn’t really work though mate as Ole is responsible for where it really matters and ultimately that’s on the pitch.


13.) 29 Aug 2021 13:12:02
Oh and ole didn't want vdb and James and ighalo they had nothing to do with him because they have not worked out so Teflon wole is ok.


14.) 29 Aug 2021 13:13:20
Ed014 i mean as a roster, we are much better than 3 years ago. As a team i agree it doesn't work.
But the question in this thread is how much of them are down to the coach, i am sure not that much. I am not even sure Bruno was his peak as if you let Ole pick maybe he would peak Longstaff :)

{Ed014's Note - ahh sorry mate my mistake I thought the OP was saying about Ole not being good enough despite all your acquisitions then you were saying it wasn’t just him to blame.


15.) 29 Aug 2021 13:41:10
The worst thing about some on here is, not that they’d admit it, they want Ole to fail to be able to say I told you so . Things were dire under Jose, I was in Valencia for his penultimate game, one of the worst teams/ performances I’ve ever seen . I never ever remember Jose getting the criticism that Ole has had to take .

We have improved massively, and still have long way to go! You say we need to win something like we’re competing against Sunday league clubs, we’re up against some of the best sides in the world, winning isn’t easy, won’t happen overnight but progress is there in league position!

Some people are just not willing to see it! Who knows if Ole will ultimately be successful, I think we will, but regardless I’ll support him and this side throughout because I’m a supporter of my club .

Never thought I’d end up defending our club to our own fans, the dippers all the time but not our own! Looking forward to a belting atmosphere today celebrating the return 👑🔴⚪️⚫️.

{Ed014's Note - it’s opinions Chris, you have to get use to them and everyone on here is a United supporter.

I’d bet there isn’t a single one that wouldn’t be ecstatic for Ole to prove his doubters wrong.


16.) 29 Aug 2021 14:18:00
Chris not sure how long you have been posting but at lat I agree with you it wasn't going to happen over night and it didn't we are now about 1000 nights in and still waiting.
We need to compete and have not.
We are not playing Sunday league sides but we do not have a Sunday league budget. We have the best paid players and wole has spent h all a billion pounds in transfers and contract renewals and to date failed miserably on core objective of competing.
He is here another season so we hope he does it this year all of us hope that but until I see what I consider improvement I'll be calling for him to be fired. Worst football I've witnessed and worst mentality since dave sexton took over in1977 / 78 ole has imo taken the club backwards in the most important core objective and that's winning imo.


17.) 29 Aug 2021 14:22:41
I came on here after Leeds game you’d swear we lost! Anyway three points today and I hope Ole picks a team with everyone’s favourite players in it otherwise this site will explode! Up the reds 🔴⚪️⚫️.


18.) 29 Aug 2021 14:29:21
I can't remember 1 negative posts from anybody after the Leeds game. why don't you back up your statement and find all the negative comments after the leeds game and repost them.


19.) 29 Aug 2021 15:28:04
Worst football you’ve witnessed now you have confirmed to me your on a different planet . You must of been sleeping under moyes, lvg and jose last 18 months my god! I’m all for opinions but yours are totally blinkered by a disliking for our manager for whatever reason.


20.) 29 Aug 2021 19:39:25
"Players like messi and ronaldo chose where they play" - Pep guardiola.

"go ask mancity for 650k a week" - ed14.

now there's a fact which I love!

{Ed014's Note - Shame it’s not one but hey if it makes you happy my work is done.


21.) 29 Aug 2021 20:00:58
hahahaahah ed and here i thought your work was to moderate the comments.

Wish i'd known it earlier, i could have used you last year ;)

{Ed014's Note - were you sad fella, you must be happy now though right, you’ve got the messiah, oles at the wheel and you’re going to win the league, yes? 😂😂😂


22.) 29 Aug 2021 20:10:59
You're too kind for asking ed, but all good now :)

to answer your question - a big fat YES pal!

i would have some doubts had it not been Ole at the helm, but just you watch good sir! and we ain't just stopping with the league title either :)

{Ed014's Note - 😂😂😂😂 love it and literally can’t wait to see it happen.


 

 

07 May 2021 00:05:19
Ole in!

, He chose a strong team and seamed to learn from his mistakes. Even in the game he made strong choices.

If we finish 2nd and win Europa is that a successful Season?

Also Cavani, Bruno and Pogba are world class if you have 3 players world class in your team all it takes next season is a couple of right signings and anything can happen.

I love this United team and 2 years ago I didn't like 1 player and now I love the team and obviously our BRUNO.

Burnleyred

1.) 07 May 2021 06:01:19
That was a lethargic performance. Its like players were in energy saving mode for upcoming fixtures.


2.) 07 May 2021 08:30:39
Burnley red,

Did that loss go to your head?


3.) 07 May 2021 08:53:30
Shaw was abysmal by his recent standards. Good job Cavani got us a couple or it might have been a different story but job done;now to villareal, a pretty difficult outfit to play.


4.) 07 May 2021 09:05:34
2nd in the league is an obvious improvement and we have played much better than last season in my opinion domestically so i would say it is a relative success. I think if you polled most fans and said we would finish second they would have taken it considering city and liverpool were so good.

Europa league is a funny one, now were in it, winning it would constitute a successful season. But at the start of the season if you asked me what would constitute a successful campaign in europe i wouldn't have said winning the europa league as it would mean we failed in the champions league which we did, in fact we capitulated in leipzig which is a big black mark against this season for me.

On the last point i would definitely agree, this is the team I've most liked and enjoyed watching (albeit that's a low bar) in the post fergie era and the most positive I've felt as a supporter post ferguson.


5.) 07 May 2021 12:15:55
Bruno has it right it was a good interview and winning the el shoes improvement on last year because we won nothing last year. Its not enough but it will be a start. Winning nothing shows no improvement season on season as its all about winning titles for him.
I'm glad to see that is his thought process i'm not surprised by it. We need all players and staff thinking along those lines and sending those messages to the fans.


 

 

28 Sep 2018 00:33:18
First time poster, I just had to say something.

So Paul Pogba spoke out publicly (more than once) and all off the back of their leader calling out players in public.

Would Roy Keane not say something in public with this current dictatorship (by the way Pogba is nowhere near Keane but hopefully you know what I mean) .

Now I understand no player is bigger than the club etc but how bad must it be in that changing room? And maybe Pogba is sticking up for himself and his team mates.

Jose has clearly lost his players. He is going about things totally the wrong way. Complaining, publicly criticising players, living in a hotel, blaming the board for lack of funds, blaming everyone but himself and most importantly blaming the fans.

Is this the actions of a true leader?

Unfortunately like Ed 002 said the "toxics" have brought this on themselves. "WE" have brought this on ourselves and I am sure in the back of all our minds we don't want to make the same mistake again.

We want to Win Win Win but what we are forgetting is that nothing in life is certain no matter how much money is thrown at it.

I don't know what the answer is but I know I love my club and I cannot stand seeing it turned into a circus.

I would personally be happy to see the back of "the special one", In my opinion he isn't special enough. We need someone who understands the club and we need to all get behind him and trust him. let's all be honest we never thought Jose would last more than 3 years so we couldn't do that.

Let's move on fast and make decisions based on football not Money.

United till I die x.

Burnleyred

1.) 28 Sep 2018 07:45:51
I don’t know how old we all are but a lot of us grew up and loves thru success of Fergie, 1990 I started supporting United and a few years later it was utter dominance and a lot of great football and top players so we will always compare back to that, prob unfairly as not everyone is SAF. I always go back to the point, the club and the fans knew al about how Jose Mourinho operates, how he spends money, how he calls players out who are not doing it so none of this should be a surprise. How many times do we sack a manager and hope we get it right, an identity, a DoF and a a philosophy need implementing and being the overriding thing with this club again. The trouble is us as fans will only accept a manger who plays the right way. As for Pogba and Keane, Roy Keane put the club first, he was united through and through I don’t think Paul Pogba gives a damn about this club if I’m honest and that’s the difference.


2.) 28 Sep 2018 08:08:18
WE haven't brought anything on ourselves. I've supported the Club since I was a kid and have held my season ticket for over 25 years since I was old enough to catch the bus to Old Trafford with my friends and we all still go together to this day. I still support the Club, I go to every home game and Travel when I can get tickets, I have MUTV, I buy my kids the kit, the pyjamas, the bedding, the wall paper, the posters, the caps, the hot water bottle etc you get the picture. I give the Club thousands of my hard earned cash every year. I am entitled to state my opinion and pass comment.

WE had nothing to do with the Club sacking LGV and it's not our fault if the owners didn't have the courage of their own convictions. It's not our fault that LVG preferred to play more football in his own box than the oppositions, it's not our fault that forward passes were outlawed, it's not our fault that LVG failed to finish in the top 4 and got dumped out of the Champions League in the group stages. WE didn't pick the team, WE didn't devise the tactics, WE had nothing to do with it. After investing heavily in the squad WE expected better and merely voiced our opinion. WE still attended the games, WE still bought the Merchandise.

It's not our fault that the owners didn't communicate their plans. It's not our fault that they remain deafly silent.

It seems abhorrent to me that the owners would just abandon their plans because a few supporters had vented their frustration and with good cause. They refused to sell the Club despite some serious pressure and some pretty disgusting behaviour by some of our fans. Death threats, threatening chants, protests yet they stood firm and resolute. It is my belief that LVG failed to deliver the minimum requirement of a top 4 finish therefore he was dismissed. If the owners really did sack LVG because of some disgruntled fans then I have absolutely no faith that they will be able to return us to the top anytime soon.

WE are no different from any other football supporters. ALL Clubs have a minority of persons. Some people would have you believe that ALL football fans are thick, impatient, uneducated, thugs yet nothing could be further from the truth. Most know and understand the game inside out, they know what's good and what isn't. I read some very interesting and articulate posts on here every day yet now we're being labelled toxic for voicing our opinion and blamed for our current predicament. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you don't agree with my opinion that's fine but we should still be allowed to express them without being blamed for the Clubs current malaise. Sorry early morning rant over as you were!


3.) 28 Sep 2018 08:26:03
Stunning post DLIB. Couldn't agree more mate.


4.) 28 Sep 2018 09:29:39
Bang on the money dlib. that's why I totally disagree with ed002 on this matter. We are fans who love our club so have the right to voice our opinions. The owners are just businessmen who don’t give a dam about the club only there bank balance. Love Utd hate glazers.

{Ed001's Note - have any of you read Swiss Ramble's blog post on United from a few days ago? If not I suggest you do.}


5.) 28 Sep 2018 09:35:47
Brilliant stuff DLIB, everything you've stated is true, it's not toxic to want the man in charge of footballing matters to present a team capable of playing something that resembles fluid football and it's not toxic to criticise certain individuals when they fail.


6.) 28 Sep 2018 09:47:26
Burnley, you were in the running for my post of the year so far, but you lost me at the toxics comment, and handed it over to DLIB. Great, great post.


7.) 28 Sep 2018 09:52:04
Hi Ed01 - Do you mean the Swiss Ramble Twitter thread on Utd's financial results? I'm not on Twitter but found the thread through Google? Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate. Well worth a look.}


8.) 28 Sep 2018 10:37:29
Thanks for sharing Ed. Very intriguing and informative blog. What do you make of it if you don't mind me asking?

Salient points for me are Utd aren't reliant on income from players sales. This means we don't necessarily have to sell in order to buy. This may change considering the rise in transfer fees we've seen recently.

We have a cash balance of £242m which is significantly higher than most other Clubs.

Wages although astonishingly high are still relatively under control at 50% of turnover.

The Club are still heavily burdened by the debt placed on them by the Glazers. Our gross debt is still the best part of half a billion pounds. In the last 10 years we have made an operating profit of £651m offset by financing costs of £523m. However to place this in context financing costs have been reduced from 42% of revenue in 2009 to only 3% today. Could this be the reason why we we're often told there was no value in the market back then?

Our commercial arm is worth close to 50% of turnover emphasising why the Club place so much importance or securing new sponsorship deals.

Champions League participation is vitally important to both match day revenue and earnings. This increases significantly if you reach the latter stages.

In summary it would appear we're a financial giant capable of generating huge amounts of money. It's probably a good job for the rest of the league that we are still burdened by significant debt that we need to finance. Wages are very high and whilst financial results are good they are heavily dependent on our commercial partnerships whilst results on the pitch are also importable therefore we cannot afford to become complacent.

{Ed001's Note - I think the big thing I took from it is that the Glazers have basically taken a huge amount away from the club due to their leverage buy out that is putting a strain on resources that should not be there. You could easily spend twice as much as you do without that.}


9.) 28 Sep 2018 11:35:18
im surprised they haven't tried selling the naming rights of OT yet.

would generate enough cash to clear the club of debt.

{Ed001's Note - maybe they have but no one sees value in upsetting the fans?}


10.) 28 Sep 2018 11:43:22
Food for thought. That's what I took from it as well Ed.

The Glazers are basically using us as a cash cow to make themselves very rich and probably explains why we have no long term solution in relation to the football side of the business. I suppose this was taken care of whilst Fergi was in charge but when he retired he left a giant vacuum which we have been unable to fill. Their leveraged takeover basically saddled the Club with massive debt.

From an ethical perspective I'm not sure they should have been allowed to buy such a world famous brand/ institution of such significant historical and cultural relevance using borrowed money which they burdened on the Club.

Thanks again for sharing the link.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think anyone should ever be able to use a leveraged buyout for anything. It is simply far too open for the kind of abuse that the Glazers are using in this case.}


11.) 28 Sep 2018 12:11:08
possibly ed. i personally wouldn't want that to happen as owners other than the debt they have haven't got involved with anything in regards to the football aspect.

we can all fault them but there are worse owners out there.

we could have mike Ashley.

{Ed001's Note - how is Ashley any worse? He has not leveraged debt on the club, he has just taken large sums out. If they had the income you did, they would be able to spend like you did. They just don't have your income streams.}


12.) 28 Sep 2018 12:13:13
Fantastic OP again DLIB. Making a habit of being one of the top posters on this site. Keep it coming.


13.) 28 Sep 2018 12:32:22
Completely agree end. The process of acquiring companies through leveraged buy outs are generally regarded as a ruthless and predatory tactic even in the finance world. The deal is structured so that the company's assets and cash flows are used to finance most of the costs. It is especially ironic that a company's success can be used against it as collateral.

The government blocked Sky's takeover of Utd in the late 90's arguing it would be anti competitive and would have an adverse effect on the wider football industry.

Utd were purchased by a leveraged buy out some years later meaning the Club were saddled with significant debt which nobody cared to argue might be anti competitive for the Club whilst placing one of the most famous sporting institutions in the world at greater risk of bankruptcy.

I believe some things belong to the people. Football Clubs belong to the fans. They are the true custodians and without them football would collapse overnight.

I don't believe any Club should be purchased on a leveraged buy out. Clubs have important cultural and historical significance and should be protected from rich owners who's only motivation is to get rich. Certain safeguarding measures or contractable obligations should be factored into any purchase so the interest of the Club can be balanced against the desires of the owners. My god I'm on my soap box today my apologies to all.


14.) 28 Sep 2018 12:42:44
Sorry guys had to have a bit of a rant last night. I had a few beers and the embarrassment around our club is getting me down as I am sure it is with you guys.

I suppose I am looking to blame anyone even myself.

In the end I will support my club through the good times and the bad but it doesn't make the bad any easier to take.

We have been spoilt over the years and I just hope that the people around the club can make the right decisions based on Football and not for financial gain.

The sad thing is looking at my son who loves football, he plays everyday and loves watching football but not Manchester United. We go on old Trafford, I buy him kits etc but he is slowly getting turned off because of what's happening.

Like I said I will love my club through good and bad times as I am sure everyone else on here will do.


15.) 28 Sep 2018 13:39:48
Really interesting read Ed001. I think the increased spending over the last few seasons has redeemed the owners in some people’s eyes. But the reality is that all the increased sponsorship stuff is simply servicing the debts that they created.

{Ed001's Note - spot on mate.}


 

 

 

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