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16 Oct 2017 07:57:10
It was a crappy performance and tough to watch game.

I don't know if the players were tired or the bus was parked or if klopp reminds our players of 'It' the clown, but liverpool gave a good account of themselves.

Our passing and pretty much everything else was off base apart from the defending.

After the game finished, i was abolutely mad but in the end sanity prevailed and realized that some key players were injured and its a point we are coming back with from anne-field and that's not the end of the world or the season.

They can play badly or they can play very excellently, i am just helplessly and hopelessly a fan of these annoying jerks and i can't not support them. So show us all hows its done in mid week Man Utd.

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1.) 17 Oct 2017 08:51:43
a lot of top teams will come away with zero points at anfield imo.

2.) 17 Oct 2017 11:06:32
Poorer sides than ours have already taken 3 points at Anfield. It was a cowardice game-plan that yields very few points. Jose really needs to rethink this style.

3.) 17 Oct 2017 13:54:07
R u sure I thought the scouse ware unbeating at home this season . only conceded 1 in the epl at home .
I might be wrong.

4.) 17 Oct 2017 14:19:13
You're right jred. They've been very hard to beat at home.

I was just extremely disappointed in the performance, but this is what Jose would have been happy with, the point at anfield. He will be assessing every single game, every single point and that was a good point. Just from a fan's perspective, a bad game.

Jose will have the whole picture in mind whereas we, as fans, looking for entertaining football don't have that overall picture.

5.) 17 Oct 2017 14:44:54
I'm not only talking about the last six weeks, I'm talking about this Liverpool side at Anfield. Poorer sides than us went to Anfield and gave them a game. This is exactly why Bobby Charlton didn't want him as manager and why he was overlooked by SAF. This is not the Manchester United way. It's embarrassing and quite frankly pointless, it's better to defend tight, but not starve the attack than to have ten players defending and managing minimal attempts. You'd expect this from a struggling 2nd Division side in a cup game, not Manchester United going to a rival. It's embarrassing and IMO pointless as we will lose many points doing this,

6.) 17 Oct 2017 15:01:29
angelred, I think Carragher got it spot on with what he said yesterday. Last ten games Jose has done this and he's managed ONE GOAL! One goal in TEN GAMES.

Listen I am all for playing the defensive counter attacking game, but Jose takes it to the extreme. This Liverpool side is beatable. We were favourites before, even Jred himself fancied a win.

Problem is we managed 6 touches in their area all game. You cannot expect two forwards to take on 6-7 Liverpool players. The team was way too defensive. This will cost us the title playing like we are three divisions lower.

7.) 17 Oct 2017 15:05:01
I'm pro Jose all the way, I do not want him to leave, but this side of his game he can improve on. Personally I think it's more about his own ego than the team. His personal records. We are Manchester United, we do not play that way. Not to that extreme. Not when it wasn't necessary, we have the players to score plenty of goals. Even LvG went there and gave them one helluva game guys. Defensive yes, but not to that extreme.

8.) 17 Oct 2017 15:21:33
8 games 6 wins 2 goals conceded 21 scored .
21 scored in 8 games .
2 games 2 wins 1 conceded 7 scored .

I think your over reacting to 1 game this season .
I fancied us to be beat the scouse but I wasn't surprised with how we set up or the game .
Liverpool United games are often over hyped and poor quality.
Form goes out the window.

{Ed007's Note - Sorry to butt in, Jred, but can I draw you guys attention to our annual charity drive which started yesterday and is pinned at the top of the pages and linked HERE.
It was an idea I had for the Celtic pages only but Ed001 and Ed033 amazingly adopted it as their cross sites annual charity. It will run until December 11th so there's no rush - or pressure on anyone - to donate.
Thanks guys.}

9.) 17 Oct 2017 16:04:24
I am reacting to one game Jred. I'm only talking about how he chose to set up against Liverpool. This season and last season. It was cowardly and not the Manchester United way, we were not severe underdogs. We were favourites. I don't think he needed to adopt this style this time round, I think he got it wrong, but was lucky Liverpool have struggled to hit the net lately.

Ed007, I'll take a look mate.

{Ed007's Note - Cheers, Syd (yes)

10.) 17 Oct 2017 16:42:46
Bit of a change of discussion, but when Rojo returns do people think we may go with three at the back? I mean with Ibra returning and us looking at bringing in Rose, a 352 could be a position we look at. Not sure I'd want it, but think Jose may look at it.

11.) 17 Oct 2017 18:20:18
Its a strong possibility syd.

12.) 17 Oct 2017 19:01:41
Syd, I agree with pretty much all u said and what u usually say and I'm equally miffed that jose had the team play that way but I can't help but think it had to do with missing one or two key players and/ or tired legs from international games.

But like u, I'm a Jose fan and I hope that this performance was an anomaly and evidence of it shall be on display in Portugal tomorrow.

13.) 17 Oct 2017 19:16:36
I just hope that when we complete the team he wants this summer, then he has the courage to go to these away games and give them a game. Otherwise why is he building these teams if he doesn't have faith in them?

{Ed025's Note - im with you sydney, the guy is an egotistical maniac for me and he will be pleased with saturday because he got a point at anfield which in his eyes adds to his CV, the fact that you played rotten and without purpose means nothing to this guy its all about him never mind the club, united have a reputation of being a great side to watch as well as a winning mentality and that is the basis of why they have been so successful over the years, its also why other supporters begrudgingly admire united because there has always been the entertainment value with players like best, charlton and in more recent times cole, scholes, yorke, becks and the likes, he will kill your club mate you mark my words, will you win games and trophies? yes he will give you that but at what cost?...every supporter likes winning that goes without saying but for me playing with style, passion and belief that you can go to any ground in the world and win is just if not more important, it may sound that i am having a go at jose bet your god damn cotton socks i am mate..

14.) 17 Oct 2017 20:00:24
Ed025, I was against Jose taking over from SAF for this very reason, however United died after SAF and have been dead since. Jose really had nothing to lose when he took over. Backed with millions it could only really go one way. I was all for the Jose appointment after LvG, but only because we had nothing to lose. We were already dead.

{Ed025's Note - pochettino or klopp would suit united down to the ground for me sydney, they both play a brand of football that is effective and entertaining mate..

15.) 17 Oct 2017 20:17:53
I liked Klopp, but he has no plan B. He also had Zorc behind him bringing him in some very good players. I think Poch is a good manager, but I'd keep hold of Jose for a couple years then look for someone young and ambitious who will already have a great group of players that basically pick themselves.

{Ed025's Note - fair enough mate..

16.) 17 Oct 2017 20:40:16
Fergy has gone we now have Jose and this is what he does .
Don't give it the " I'm a fan of Jose I support Jose " and then whine he does something Jose.

Truth is we have been fantastic this season with 1 bad game against the scouse . Which tends to happen truth they are rarely great games .

If lukaku takes his chance it's a different game if the scouse scored one it's a different game .
In fact in Miki or lukaku or Miki had of played well it would of looked a different game .
Buts that its and buts people need to move one 1 game in a fantastic start to the season.

17.) 17 Oct 2017 20:43:33
By the way Jose got the point he wanted so he wasn't wrong .

18.) 17 Oct 2017 20:43:33
By the way Jose got the point he wanted so he wasn't wrong .

19.) 17 Oct 2017 20:46:49
I've heard good things about the Watford manager and Clement. I think we need to get the confidence back fully, then build a great squad, then whoever takes over will be in a much better position than Moyes was in when SAF stepped down.

20.) 17 Oct 2017 21:05:25
LOL jred, are you saying I cannot support the manager and criticise him? Is this a dictatorship? Are you North Korean? No manager is perfect, SAF was far from perfect. If I want to have my opinion on something MU on a MU site, then I will. This is a relevant subject as most of the media have been discussing it.

We aren't talking about how poor MU were, yes we were dire, but we are talking about the negative game plan our manager implemented. And was it really necessary?

I don't think he was looking forward to the backlash from that game. His face said it all. He bottled it and he knew unless he sneaked a goal he would face a hard time.

21.) 17 Oct 2017 21:30:49
Not in the least bit but that's what Jose does it's like complaining that fellaini heads the ball .
If you don't want Jose as manager fine, but don't say you do want him and then complain about him doing exactly what he does .
Put out a solid team, away from home against your biggest rival with key players missing . It's what he does

We drew a game get over it we didn't win a game stop sulking .
It's one game where we didn't play well.

We never set up like we did last season with a back 6 .
We set up solid against a good attacking team .
But our attacking players had poor games .
If lukaku Miki martial play well it looks a different plan, they never they had stinkers

32 goals we have scored in 11 games this season .
First 00, first time our attackers have a stinker dummies are out .

22.) 17 Oct 2017 21:51:09
Again Jred, it's nothing to do with performance. We are discussing the manager's game-plan. You think this is the first poor performance this season? We aren't talking about Lukaku, Martial or Miki having an off day, we are talking about the ten men parked inside our penalty area for all the game leaving Lukaku on the halfway line with three defenders and a midfielder marking him. I think it was completely unnecessary to defend to that extent, as do most of the pundits. Liverpool are not Real Madrid. Even Spurs had a go in Madrid tonight.

So just to recap, nothing to do with the dire performance, we are discussing the manager's negative approach to the game and was it really necessary? Defend and Counter yes, but did we need to be so negative? Anyway.

23.) 17 Oct 2017 22:04:19
He set up solid and to hit them on the break, like a lot of people suggested.
It never work, after 32 goals in the previous 10 games the front line had a mare .
But it was no where near as negative as last season .
Jose kept a solid line up against a good attacking team .
The dire performance has as much to do with the players poor performance as it does the managers .
And the same goes for the previous 10 games .

24.) 18 Oct 2017 16:49:37
Whilst Mourinho's set up was undoubtedly to ensure that the team left Anfield without conceding, I was surprised at how little bite Liverpool actually had. Other than the De Gea save (and subsequent follow up by Salah) and the Can effort, I can't see recall too many chances. As the home team and one of the leagues most attacking managers and teams, the tactics to replace the front 3 and keep Henderson, Can and Winjaldum in place was strange. In that sense I think Klopp accepted the draw also.

25.) 19 Oct 2017 12:05:32
I think we set up knowing you'd be defensive and very good in the air so klopp didn't want to be caught by a corner last minute, we had a load of chances we just couldn't finish, the game was played in your half. An open game would have suited us better and with your recent form compared to ours, we could have been there for the taking. You actually trying to hammer us, as I believed you were capable, would have meant are more open game which would have suited us too, so we could have had a big scoring game, instead Jose sat 11 men in his own half. You were more than capable fo getting a win but didn't even try. For the neutrals out there an early Liverpool goal would have made the game better to watch because Jose would have had to come out of his own half. If I were a United fan I would have been disappointed with the game because it was a feable attempt by united but you got a point after all which any other time would seem a good point.

26.) 20 Oct 2017 21:24:20
Load of chances! Lol.

27.) 21 Oct 2017 10:17:19
Deano, I think they had 19 attempts, that's loads.




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29 May 2021 15:12:27
Just saw the post match interview of Rashford! His performance in the final was atrocious, pain or not!

With that out of the way.

Man, what a kid, every single word of his touched the heart really. I hope he stays here through out his career and wins bucketloads of trophies and the highest honors and more importantly, he stays steadfast on this path he's on!

He is a shining light that we all need to try and emulate in our own small ways!

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1.) 29 May 2021 16:47:31
He is a fantastic young man.
I wish for all the above for him too.

2.) 29 May 2021 17:29:18
That post match interview was embarrassing tbh. Just lip service for me, I didn't see any real meaning or passion, if its all true, show us not say you promise this and that, the guy needs to start working on his football and forget school dinners.

3.) 29 May 2021 18:51:36
Exactly Welsh Red Devil. Words are cheap.

4.) 29 May 2021 18:57:50
I’m on here every day but very rarely post but I can’t ignore that WRD

I love United but if I have to sacrifice the form of one of our players to help kids get fed I’ll take it every day.

5.) 29 May 2021 19:06:55
Jesus WRD, fierce harsh that. He's been brilliant for us all season, been shunted about to accommodate others, a lot of the time has been injured and still done the business.

Football means naff all in the grand scheme of things and what he has achieved, feeding kids who haven't a penny to their name, giving millions to those in desperate need is incredible. Just an incredible human being.

So with all due respect, I hope be continues on his path. I'd rather him feed children than win trophies every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

6.) 29 May 2021 19:44:26
I have no problem with Rashford's performance in the final. He has been playing with a shoulder injury and clearly needed a rest, but Ole has run players into the ground.
While he didn't have the best game, its up to the manager to recognise that and make a change. He didn't, so that is where the fault lies.

Unfortunately for you WRD, Rashford has achieved more in his 23 years than you probably ever will, so show some respect.

7.) 29 May 2021 20:35:56
Grimis WRD could be Rupert Murdoch. So Rashford will not do in 2 lives as he has done in 1😂😂. Unfair to make that statement unless you know who WRD is personally.

8.) 30 May 2021 07:54:40
Grim, Rashford gets paid a hell of a lot of money to be a professional footballer and I'm sick of people making excuses for how poor he has been for a year now, out of position, injured, its Ole fault why he is playing garbage, yadda yadda, this is not just 1 game he's been terrible for a long time.

When he hangs his boots up then go and do what you like with all your focus, when your a footballer playing for United concentrate on that and improving yourself for yourself and the club.

As for your insult, laughable really, same can be said of you and others, though tbh Rash should thank himself lucky he plays for this club, I am all for him doing good if he doesn't take his eye off the ball which he clearly has, excuses or not, he's not performing, hasn't for an age and he gets excused because he's a local lad and English, literally anyone else gets called out playing the way he does and as I said that interview was just bluster from someone who can't back his words up on the pitch, happy for him to prove me wrong at any point in the next 12 months but for me he's not someone who will take us to the heights we need, decent player when he used to be on form, we need more than decent in our first eleven if we are going anywhere.



24 May 2021 10:19:03
I know it's not winning the league title, nor is it a cure to C.V., but what an achievement for the lads in going unbeaten away. And to do it with like 10 comebacks from a losing position is just brilliant (the return of the "it ain't over till it's over" is beautiful) . Only the third club to do so in all of history is remarkable.

Massive congrats to the lads and the coaching staff for this amazing feat!

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1.) 24 May 2021 10:36:46
Like I said before we are half-invincibles.



24 Jan 2020 05:54:35
A change of pace is my offering for y'all today!

No, we are not an unrecoverable mess. No, we are not a diminishing light. No, it will not take another 20 years to get success. No, this ain't the end of the world.

We lost games, bad ones. it happens!

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1.) 24 Jan 2020 07:35:46
That's the way mate. Positive attitude!

The worse we are, the greater the opportunity to improve. It's a good position to be in really.

2.) 24 Jan 2020 08:55:10
Good attitude. I would just be cautious of it because I'm not sure those within the structure of United are aware at how bad it has gotten over the last 7 years.

If they are, then they can begin to correct it now, if they are not, well then the slide continues and who knows where that line is when we look back and realise that we are further away than ever.

I'm sure Liverpool said those exact same things back in the 90's. It's 2020 now and they will finally win a title.

The club have to manage this situation carefully before years turn into decades. On recent showing, I'm not sure the current crop of board management are capable of doing that.

3.) 24 Jan 2020 13:39:22
Not sure why Liverpool are always mentioned tbh. Before oil money Liverpool enjoyed a lot of success. Uefa, FA, League cup, Champions League. Liverpool are not a club to think about been down in the dumps for the past 30 years because its not true.



11 Dec 2017 11:01:22
I remember a time when a loss was a loss and not a manifestation of the crumbling and rusting infrastructure of our football club.

Then came the new age of managers (i'm not talking about the young managers setting the football world alight, but rather how pretty much all of us think we are better managers than those out there) and all of a sudden a loss became something a lot more terrible.

Now, as if, losing a derby game through silly goals and a very lethargic performance and a glorious missed chance wasnt bad enough, We have to, now, think of how our club's done for and will be relegated and we need to change ownership and management and change the whole team and we might as well start playing volleyball and stuff.

I have very limited football knowledge and realize that my opinions are worth jack, but the way i look at it is:

We setup the wrong way without the superstar pogba and played not too well. What frustrates me most, is that for all their possession, city weren't anywhere close to scoring from open play (which is where the defensive setup comes in) .

We lost the game, and i hate it as much as you lot, but let's try and pick ourselves up for the midweek game and see what happens come May.

Peace ya'll.

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1.) 11 Dec 2017 11:27:27
Great post pal.

2.) 11 Dec 2017 11:43:59
spot on, common sense has landed.



01 Jan 2017 07:56:04
Happy new year folks!

What a befitting present from our team to Sir Alex on his birthday huh?!? The illusive "come-back".

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29 May 2021 14:43:41
lolzzzz Grim. i have heard that ed has been seen angrily rubbing a crystal ball quite often so i don't know if that has anything to do with anything.

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29 May 2021 09:56:39
@ThisOle let me take a swing buddy, although i could be more wrong than you loll as i have no idea how the mechanics of football transfer work.

In my humbles of opinions, i think.

The club will, with the help of all involved, first identify the positions that need fixing and the priorities among those positions. Once done, they will come up with a list of players for those positions with A, B, C and D targets for each of those positions (A candidates being the preferred obviously, because of a multitude of factors i.e style, talent, valuation, age, payscale, visas, , their desire to move, availability, competition (which other clubs are chasing em), agents and what have you) .

I think from that point on, its just a matter of negotiating and getting them over the line. I don't mean to say its as simple as that as there can be a lot of other things that go wrong.

I believe the problem occurs when the owners and managers and coaches can't agree on priorities and key positions that need fixing and a power struggle emerges because after all a manager is also an employee who should fall in line, when we all know it couldn't be further from the truth.

I think if the above doesn't occur, then financials are not such a big deal (especially for a select few clubs- A list in which we still belong) . But again, it could be all absolutely wrong as i have yet to be invited to get a deal done for any of the player which frankly is just injustice of the highest order :D.

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14 Oct 2020 05:53:44
@cheshire, cracking post with loads of things making loads of sense.

To add on, I do remember reading somewhere that evidently Ole had discused with woodward that our recruitment has been terrible, what with going after mercinaries who need to be enticed by the wage packages, which is why we have struggled and evidently this is one of the key things that'been addressed behind the scenes, apparently vdb took either paycut/ same wage to be here and that's the kind a deals they're after.

Have no idea how true or otherwise it is, perhaps u or one of the eds can chip in.

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10 Aug 2018 09:01:30
@GDS2 well this obviously all your fault. How dare you write a positive, full of encouragement, chirpy, just what the doctor ordered, wonderful, vibrant, supportive and optimistic comment here :)

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14 Mar 2018 13:04:08
Fair enough FZZ.

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29 Aug 2021 22:54:30
@tombomb fair enough! to answer your question, i sincerely do think ole could have won! We are at the moment a "nearly" team, objectively speaking that is i.e 2nd in the league last year and what have you!

Pertinently, we have not been even that since SAF left. Mourinho was our hollywood type appointment (and LVG was too perhaps - what with the world cup histronics) proven winner and all that, and he very well couldve won us a league title had he stayed longer, but we all know about the very public self destruct mode he went into.

I ask you, what hasn't Ole done for you? has he not cleared out the fellainis and the smallings? has he not ignited a bit of a spark in the team? has he not assembled the best squad we've had in a while (ofcourse management deserves credit - but mind you LVG n mourinho couldnt) .

before posters start here on the whole "settling with mediocrity" trope, i guess some of us feel like we know success ain't instant (unless your chelsea i suppose - that's some voodoo oil money) and sure the football sometimes ain't great, but i suppose why I am rooting for Ole is because my eyes haven't seen even this level since SAF left and to be honest SAF had soooooo many games like that towards the end as well.

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29 Aug 2021 20:10:59
You're too kind for asking ed, but all good now :)

to answer your question - a big fat YES pal!

i would have some doubts had it not been Ole at the helm, but just you watch good sir! and we ain't just stopping with the league title either :)

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29 Aug 2021 20:04:23
lol ken, i thought that's just inevitable regardless :)

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29 Aug 2021 20:00:58
hahahaahah ed and here i thought your work was to moderate the comments.

Wish i'd known it earlier, i could have used you last year ;)

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29 Aug 2021 19:57:20
@tombomb you may have a point actually, i didn't realize Ole intentionally asked fred to misplace basic passes, have a first touch heavier than a friggin aircraft carrier and to clear the ball to opposing players just outside his own penalty box.

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