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16 Jul 2021 16:13:50
Question for the eds please: in light of man utd liking an aging megastar, ie. ibrahimovic, cavani and previously falcao, larson - do you know if we have any solid interest in lewandowski at all?
tia.

Funkypigeon

{Ed002's Note - Robert Lewandowski (S) Bayern Munich may look to an early agreement with Borussia Dortmund for Erling Braut Haaland to replace Lewandowski in 2022 - Dortmund won't be keen but his agent is happy to follow this route to do what is best for the player. With two years left on his contract Bayern Munich may even be willing to let RL leave this summer but potential interest from Manchester United went with Cavani signing a new deal. PSG may see the player as a short-term solution if they lose Mbappe to Real Madrid this summer - but they are trying hard to keep him.


1.) 17 Jul 2021 12:21:08
Thanks for the info Ed.
Who would be interested in RL?
Doesn't he have some ambition to play for Real Madrid? I remember reading something about that once.

{Ed002's Note - There is no firm interest just general enquiries. Pini wants an extension for him.}


2.) 18 Jul 2021 05:18:40
No lolsss. As soon as Haaland moved to BVB, it was 70% certain that he may join Bayern. BvB is thier biggest feeders. 3 domestic titles gurantte every year with UCL spot on confirmation.


 

 

04 Jun 2021 13:41:57
Afternoon folks
just read a number of (clickbait? ) articles that we have put a €45m bid on the table to atalanta for a guy Romero? Any substance? can't say I've much except he is an option to buy cb from juve .

Funkypigeon

1.) 04 Jun 2021 14:13:27
He is one we are supposedly looking at long with Varane, Pau Torres, Kounde, Botman and Ben White.

He has been arguably the best CB is Serie A this season. He would be a difficult one to judge. Atalanta are far and away the most offensive side in Serie A. Which means the majority of the time his team are on the front foot, which means he is tested less often defensively. Conversely though because Atalanta are so attacking when he is tested he often had less support or protection.

{Ed077's Note - If I'm not mistaken Juventus own him right now..}


2.) 04 Jun 2021 14:23:54
Tom Heaton
Kieran Trippier
Pau Torres
Jadon Sancho

Another goalie if DdG or Deano leave. Pogba to stay.

My tips for the summer, so no doubt I will be completely wrong on all counts lol.


3.) 04 Jun 2021 14:59:01
I don't get the hype with Trippier.

{Ed077's Note - me neither.


4.) 04 Jun 2021 16:13:26
Re:Romero. Atalanta just exercised their option and bought player from Juventus for 16m euro.

So he s now an Atalanta player.


5.) 04 Jun 2021 18:04:54
Cheers guys- was a new name to me so thought I'd ask on here. Cheers Shappy for the insight. Good bit of business if it comes off for atalanta= buy at 16 almost triple your money and don't even have to get his name plate for car parking space!


6.) 04 Jun 2021 19:51:51
I don't think we will buy a central defender. I knows that's going against all the rumours but my gut is Sancho, Trippier, Midfielder.


7.) 04 Jun 2021 20:49:53
Could we be looking at 2 new CBs or is this just spreading out net wide and see who bites.


8.) 04 Jun 2021 21:49:22
I think a defensive midfielder is the position we need to fill the most. Fred, McT, Donny and Pogba are all more suited to a number 8 role alongside a defensive partner and are all being held back by having to cover those defensive duties between them.

A striker would be nice this season, but we at least have Cavani, so not signing one now isn’t the end of the world.

Similarly, we could really benefit from adding a RW, especially a creative one who offers something different from the paces inside-forward types we currently have out wide. However, if we have to make do with Greenwood as first choice on the right again… not the worst thing in the world.

CB and CDM though, are absolutely essential IMO.


9.) 05 Jun 2021 02:09:49
The hype about Trippier is he’s just won La Liga and might be happy to be a rotation RB for a minimal fee. He’s a very solid player who would help our squad without busting the bank. Not every signing can be a worldie. Although of course we need a couple of worldies as well.


10.) 06 Jun 2021 12:20:38
Yh tripper is being brought in as a squad player to rotate with AWB.

There doesn't need to be any hype, just needs to be better than williams and dalot, which he is.


11.) 06 Jun 2021 13:14:40
Seems a bit if a waste to me this. Get Dalit back, and make it clear he has to improve and challenge AWB for a startling spot. Units he’s so far behind quality wise? Not sure as not seen him play much being in Italy.


12.) 06 Jun 2021 14:31:46
Why isn’t Laird being considered as cover/ competition for Wan-Bissaka? especially if the reason for trippier isn’t he’s more attacking then Wan-Bissaka. I get Trippier is more experienced but I’d be promoting Laird and giving him a few games over preseason and then throughout the season. Don’t see why we’d pay money for a RB. That money would be better off else where.


13.) 06 Jun 2021 14:54:21
Ports, ordinarily I'd advocate promoting a youth player over signing an older player. While Laird looks to have the ability to be a genuinely top class player. However, I do think Laird needs at least another year on loan, probably in the Championship. The lad has 24 League 1 games under his belt. While he has had a few injury issues previously.

While you could also argue that our squad lacks a little experience. AWB is a talent but still has lots to learn. Having a player who has played at the top level both domestically and internationally, as well as having just won a league title against the odds. He will have loads of knowledge and experience he can impart on our defence.

With potentially a couple of older more experienced players leaving having an old head who also won't block the pathway long term could be a good deal.


14.) 06 Jun 2021 22:59:59
Wouldn't Tripper transfer depends on what happens with Dalot. Feel like it goes hand in hand. Think we should sell Dalot. He a wing back that more suited aboard. I can see Milan buying him or a Spanish team picking him up.


 

 

15 May 2021 10:36:37
Question for the eds- we were apparently linked with hakan c at ac milan - do we still retain an interest or has it gone -thanks in advance.

Funkypigeon

{Ed002's Note - There is no interest from MU - he will be moving elsewhere.}


 

 

 

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05 Aug 2021 17:00:02
On a sadder note- just read that michael ballacks 18 yo son has tragically passed in a quad accident. Condolences to all.

Funkypigeon

1.) 05 Aug 2021 17:41:23
Awful tragedy. Your heart goes out to the family.


2.) 05 Aug 2021 18:05:53
Terrible news and will be devastating for the family. 18 years old is no age at all.


3.) 05 Aug 2021 19:01:01
Terrible and very unfortunate. Condolences to the family.


 

 

05 Aug 2021 17:00:02
On a sadder note- just read that michael ballacks 18 yo son has tragically passed in a quad accident. Condolences to all.

Funkypigeon

 

 

05 Aug 2021 13:41:10
Appreciate all your thoughts guys:
Obviously we have made progress with top signings so far and could make more, but its widely mentioned that sales outof the club will be the main factor in our futher business. Pogba features highly, so would you risk playing him before the window ends to avoid injury and therefore possibly hinder getting rid, take a lower offer than mooted just to get rid of him and his wages or run the risk of him signing pre agreement on a free in january?

Personally If he didn't sign I wouldn't play him irregardless of the wages- its world cup year and letting him away on a free once was bad enough but twice, I feel is taking the p**s out of the club.

Funkypigeon

1.) 05 Aug 2021 14:18:28
Has he messed the club around?

As a kid he thought he was ready to play more regularly and wouldn't sign a deal unless there was a more obvious pathway into the first team.

Maybe he was guilty of a little arrogance, but he was 17/ 18 years old. I think we were all a little arrogant at that age.

He then moved back to the club. We have no idea how the club was sold to him, but we can probably all agree that if they said the club would be run as it has the past 4-5 years it's probably safe to say he wouldn't have signed that contract.

As fans we support the club our entire lives, while ten years without winning something is heart breaking we can at least continue to support the club until our next success. Whereas the career of a player is maybe 15 years. Spending half that time stuck at a club that isn't matching your ambition to win the biggest trophies has got to be difficult. Especially if you have such confidence in yourself that you think you are good enough to be winning the top honours.

All Pogba wanted to do was move on to a club with a similar level of ambition to win things. If the club wants to keep the best and most ambitious players (who are highly marketable) then the club needs to match those players ambitions.

As it was the club tried to bully and force Pogba to stay. In doing so they burned bridges with one of the biggest agents in world football, probably caused a certain amount of disharmony in the dressing room, got the club in this ridiculous situation, probably put off other players, and they will now lose their record signing on a free and look like a laughing stock to the rest of world football.

Their own greed, arrogance and stupidity has caused this.

From everything I have heard Pogba has been the perfect professional. Continuing to treat him poorly will only reflect badly on the club.

If we can sell him then sell him and try and start rebuilding our reputation. If not then he'll leave for free next summer. If he is best used in the team then he should be in it.

If we lose him on a free then we have already cut our nose off to spite our faces, refusing to play him is akin to following that up by gouging an eye out to further spite our face.


2.) 05 Aug 2021 14:31:39
I imagine he knows exactly what he wants by now and is playing the game. Soon enough January will be here and he can do what he likes.
Until they sign another solid midfielder, for me he is still in Utds strongest XI, whether in the middle or on the left, so I would play him. As you say he is only one dodgy tackle (cue Fofana) away from 6 months out and probably never playing for the club again and leaving on a free next summer. Can't account for that kind of thing though.
It's just a shame that every club seems to be blighted by so-called mega stars winding down contracts and sulking in the stands. Even the so-called players who seemingly respect their contracts even if they'd like to move on like Kane and Mbappe start pulling the strings eventually.
There was none of this a few decades back. It was a genuine shock when Inter Milan bid for Paul Ince, and when Cantona retired suddenly. Now you'd sniff it all a mile off.


3.) 05 Aug 2021 14:50:19
The club took the pi$$ out of him and his agent by triggering the extention without engaging with them. Untrustworthy and unprofessional.
Who wants him? Anyone make a bid?
Not yet.


4.) 05 Aug 2021 15:02:44
Shappy I wasnt saying he has been unprofessional in that he turns up for promo, training matches etc etc.
The whole issue has become problem that couldve been handled a whole lot better from all sides but alleged quotes from dubious sources and innuendo from riaola hasn't helped the debacle. PP is 28 and not a boy- he could have reined in raiola and likewise united couldve been more professional.
PP holds all the cards at this time and playing him against leeds, southampton and wolves could (hopefullynot) cause an injury that hinders a transfer if that was the route agreed. If and we don't know all of the facts he isconsidering or being advised to run his contract down and sign or negotiate a deal from january, then although it is not contractually illegal, I find it professionally immoral and in my opinion, he is not worthy of being picked to wear the jersey. As spenno said there was none of this years back, or at least publicly, and again in my opinion it can upset and imbalance the dressing room. When a man earns in excess of 10m a year+ at the very least he should aside from footballing matters take on a role without pressing of ambassador and influencer to his younger more influenced teamates. I would willingly sacrifice his 1 in 5 good games and pick a player who wears the jersey with pride- we have plenty.


5.) 05 Aug 2021 15:40:33
Shappy,

The player himself first needs to be ambitious on the pitch before questioning a club's ambition. I have seen far more ambitious players on the pitch than Pogba over the years.

Being professional in the dressing room or off the pitch is really good but has he been a true professional and doing his job on the pitch consistently?

The club certainly hasn't dealt with this properly for sure but even if he goes on a free it's not going to make any difference to United's reputation because Pogba himself has not lived up to his own past reputation at Juve.

Don't give a damn whether he is sold or leaves for free to be honest.


6.) 05 Aug 2021 16:06:07
Guys won the world cup, pretty ambitious in my opinion.


7.) 05 Aug 2021 16:09:42
DSG, so past glories are enough to assess a player's long term ambition?


8.) 05 Aug 2021 16:45:37
Dsg I won the county championship at golf many moons back but I ain't frickin tiger woods!


9.) 05 Aug 2021 16:59:45
LPU to quote you, "I have seen far more ambitious players on the pitch than Pogba over the years. " So bring up his past glories of being involved in winning the biggest football trophy in the world seems appropriate.

Funkypigeon, all you have to do is cheat on your other half and drive your car into a tree and youll be halfway there.


10.) 05 Aug 2021 17:08:35
Bet your wife is pleased your not funky🤣🤣.


11.) 05 Aug 2021 17:14:16
LPU, how is Pogba not ambitious on the pitch?

I think he is one of the most ambitious players we have on the pitch. He always makes himself available for a pass even if he is being marked. He makes dangerous and ambitious progressive forward passes, he takes shots when in range. He backs himself to make those difficult passes and shots. He tries to win and is prepared to risk losing the ball in an attempt to score goals and win games.

If by ambitious you mean run around and a lot then that isn't really his game.

Kante gets lots of praise for his hard work, but why isn't he making defence splitting passes, grabbing loads of assists and hitting 35 yard goals. Does that make him unambitious? Of course not, he's just playing his game.


12.) 05 Aug 2021 16:59:45
LPU to quote you, "I have seen far more ambitious players on the pitch than Pogba over the years. " So bring up his past glories of being involved in winning the biggest football trophy in the world seems appropriate.

Funkypigeon, all you have to do is cheat on your other half and drive your car into a tree and youll be halfway there.


13.) 05 Aug 2021 17:08:35
Bet your wife is pleased your not funky🤣🤣.


14.) 05 Aug 2021 17:14:16
LPU, how is Pogba not ambitious on the pitch?

I think he is one of the most ambitious players we have on the pitch. He always makes himself available for a pass even if he is being marked. He makes dangerous and ambitious progressive forward passes, he takes shots when in range. He backs himself to make those difficult passes and shots. He tries to win and is prepared to risk losing the ball in an attempt to score goals and win games.

If by ambitious you mean run around and a lot then that isn't really his game.

Kante gets lots of praise for his hard work, but why isn't he making defence splitting passes, grabbing loads of assists and hitting 35 yard goals. Does that make him unambitious? Of course not, he's just playing his game.


15.) 05 Aug 2021 17:35:23
We all know the club has been managed poorly, but that does not exonerate Pogba and his agent who have both acted extremely unprofessionally with one goal in mind to "sell" brand Pogba. That would be okay, if the player had performed up to the hype and his opinion of himself.

Because he lacks commitment the club, it is he who is responsible for the negativity in the dressing room. His blatant preening and self-promotion also renders him devoid of leadership qualities. He's a great luxury player for a superior team in a less competitive league, but his lack of defensive quality, which too often borders on liability, makes him unsuitable for the EPL, unless he's delivering week in week out.

Overall, a very disappointing player. If the top teams of Europe regarded Pogba as anywhere near as good as a Messi or Ronaldo there would be a line out the door to sign him at a decent price. but apparently there isn't. He's shown himself to be not worth it. So it seems both the club and the player will get their just desserts this upcoming season.


16.) 05 Aug 2021 18:29:11
Shaw, I think without being in the dressing room it is very hard to make informed opinions of his impact on the other players. Everything I have hard has been positive, he is well liked and well respected by his fellow players. He trains hard, he doesn't have any vices that negatively impact his body.

That's not to say he hasn't had a negative impact in the dressing room, like I said without being in that environment it is impossible to judge. Just that everything that has leaked out is he is a positive player to have in the dressing room.

This idea of commitment to the club, how commited are you to your employer? Players are employees, not fans. Obviously it's great if a player is also a fan. But as Grealish is proving right now that there is little loyalty in football these days. Footballer's are interested in two things money and glory. The issue with both is that neither are long lasting and you will always want more.

Pogba is a world cup winner, I can't imagine he would be happy with not competing for the title every season. In his five seasons at the club has he even been in one genuine title challenge? How many UCL campaigns has he been involved in? Three in five years, and not once with a genuine chance of winning it. How many domestic cup finals?

At club level in 5 years he has won the league cup and the Europa League. While at international level he has won the world cup. The second tier European competition and the second rate domestic cup are hardly the things world cup winners will be happy with over a 5 year period.

Can you blame him for wanting to be part of a Real Madrid side that won back to back to back UCL? Or a Barcelona side that contains Messi? Or back to Juventus where he will win the league title at least every other year?

Can you really argue that we have been as successful as Leicester over the past 5 years?

His agent only became a problem when the club refused to sell Pogba. Mino's tactics are unsavoury, but his job isn't to please United fans but to follow out his clients wishes.

Mino wasn't a problem when we signed Zlatan, Lukaku, Mkhitaryan, Romero etc. And he wasn't a problem when we sold them either.

Mino was only an issue when our club refused to work with him to fulfill his clients wishes.

If Mino is so bad then why does he have loads of players wanting him as their agent? Players think highly of him. All the other clubs deal well enough with him.

The club intentionally tried to cut Mino out of a deal for Haaland. That is hugely unprofessional and only done because the club refuse to talk to him. They are pouting and throwing their toys out the pram and acting in spite because they couldn't bully Mino and Pogba to do what they wanted.

This was entirely avoidable by the club, as proven by none of the other clubs having such issues with Mino.


17.) 05 Aug 2021 18:56:48
Shappy, you are right he is ambitious "on his day".

Why is that when it comes to Pogba, it's all about everything else around him seen as a problem rather than just focusing on his performances on the pitch?

If Pogba was really interested in winning something he wouldn't have come back to us in the first place knowing the quality of our squad at that time. He and his agent rather saw United as a big opportunity to make more money and nothing else.

DSG, I am talking about players playing club football over an entire season to be precise.

There would had been no conversation on who the GOAT is if Ronaldo and Messi had relied on their past glories and stopped performing, not to mention the handful of Ballon d'Ors they won.


18.) 05 Aug 2021 19:09:19
There seems to be an opinion that United have held Pogba against his will - how so? We extended a contract that he signed I think as a 5+1. Common practice for parties to use such an extension. If the issue is that United enforced the extension without consultation then that's kinda not an issue - Pogba knew it was a 5+1 when he signed it presumably. Or was he just focused on the £300k pw bit?

I'd understood by entering into this extension United can't in essence profiteer from it, i. e. if we'd agreed to sell him now to PSG for example we wouldn't just bank whatever fee PSG paid as we'd have to agree a payment, multi-million £ I'm sure, to Pogba and Raiola.

I am missing how any of that constitutes United handling this unprofessionally.

Perhaps its time clubs fought back a little in this whole player power dynamic. Look at Kane now throwing his dummy out of the pram as he wants to leave. City or anyone else meet Spurs valuation and off he can pop. If they don't he stays. Seemingly for another 3 years. I don't see that any different to Pogba. Having paid £90m for him I'm quite sure United would've sold to Real or Juve or whomever a few years back for £120m+ - just nobody has ever been that interested in signing him for such a valuation. Hence he has stayed.

Presumably if United have mismanaged the situation with Pogba that's exactly what Spurs are doing with Kane.

Premier League players are all millionaires. They have limited lifespan careers I grant you but that just makes it more incumbent on them to make the right career choices. I get it that certain promises around other player purchases may have been made at a point in time - though nobody can say whether a player will be a hit or miss at a club and the amount you pay for them certainly doesn't guarantee success. Bottom line is all players sign a contract at a point in time based on what they know at that point and not on what they think may happen or wish to happen. Grealish is signing a contract with City thinking he will be challenging for silverware regularly and a great chance of winning the Premier League and the Champions League. That's what he thinks. But all he knows is he will get a 5 year contract on £300k pw etc. Pep could go on another sabbatical and City's owners sell up tomorrow. There are no guarantees. But the thing he can hold onto is his contract. Just like if he broke both legs and never played again tomorrow he could hold onto that contract.

So why is an issue when a club holds their player to same contract?


19.) 05 Aug 2021 19:24:38
Halesini, probably because it's the brand 'Pogba'.


20.) 05 Aug 2021 19:27:22
LPU, I don't think it is a case of it being "on his day" he plays that way every game, its just that it doesn't always come off.

On the good days the passes make it to their target and the shots go in, on his off days he still tries the passes and shots so sit still being ambitious, they just don't come off.

I don't think its a case of everything else being the problem, I just think most people have expectations beyond his ability.

Technically and physically he has all the tools to be one of the best players, but I don't think he has the mentality to be one.

Similar to Nani really. I don't think its as easy as just changing your mentality, your mentality is a part of your personality.

Ronaldo for example isn't as gifted as Messi, but he has the best mentality I have ever seen in a footballer, which has elevated him to the same level as Messi.

I also don't see it as Pogba's fault, I see it much the same way as you can't blame a player for being short or slow etc. Things far beyond his control moulded his personality and mentality from infanthood. He just doesn't have the focus, drive and fire in his belly. Things come easy for him so he has never had to push himself beyond his comfort zone to achieve. He hasn't had to fight for it, and it shows in how he plays.

That's the player he is, you need to scout and understand the players mentality as much as what they can do on the pitch. That is why Sir Alex used to meet the family of prospective signings so he can see how they grew up, what motivated them and what their life away from football was like. That might have been the reason he didn't give Pogba more chances.


21.) 05 Aug 2021 19:47:27
Shappy, moving on from World cup to his infanthood to prove a point. What next?

For a moment I thought you were on autopilot mode where you sort of posed a question and answered it yourself.


22.) 05 Aug 2021 16:27:40
Funky, Paul Pogba wants to leave and he pays his agent to work in his interests. To that end why would he question what Mino is doing?

Mino has spoken to the club and expressed his clients wishes, he tried to get the club to work toward what his client wanted. The club tried to bully him and Pogba to stay. If you can't get what you want though the traditional channels then you try other methods, such as public interviews to put pressure on the club to play ball. It was the club that cut Mino off and stopped talking to him and not the other way around.

I don't like hearing the stories in the press and would prefer these sort of things were kept in house. But the fact they are not and they keep spilling out is due to how poorly the club is run. I can't blame Mino or Pogba for that.

If you want to talk about immoral then what is refusing to allow someone to work elsewhere? You can't do that in any other form of work anywhere in the world. Unilaterally extending his contract to force him to stay an extra year.

As for his role in the team. On the pitch he has in my opinion played more often than not to the best of his ability. He just isn't the player many of us expect, and as such we feel disappointed when he doesn't perform the way we think he should.

I don't think he is capable of giving 9 out of 10 performances most weeks, I place him in the same category as Nani, on his day unplayable, but it might only be his day once or twice a month. A players mentality is as much apart of them and their ability as a footballer as their skillset is. Pogba is lacking in that, that isn't his fault and blaming him for not having that mentality is as daft as blame Scholes for being asthmatic, or Beckham for not being lighting quick, or Neville for not being 6ft.

His role in the squad seems pretty clear, he laughs, he jokes and he brings players together with an infectious personality. He isn't Keane scowling and scaring people left right and centre. To be honest I don't think that would work in the modern game anyway.

His wages are irrelevant, what the club deem appropriate to pay him is down to the club. I don't know many people who'd say to their employer that they aren't worth what they are being offered and they want a lower wage.

For me the real issue with Pogba is that our side has grown and changed and evolved and I'm not sure where he fits in our side with his skillset. Forget the fact he wants to leave, or all the other circus around him. Where does he fit in the side?

Is he the best No.10 we have? No, he isn't anywhere near as good or consistent as Bruno.

Can he work in a double pivot? Personally I don't think so. He just isn't good enough at reading the game to be in the right places at the right time to do the defensive work and he doesn't have the desire to rush back into place or to work hard enough off the ball pressing. the only thing he offers from a defensive point of view is occasionally (more by luck than design) he is a big lump in the way that someone has to run or pass around. He might get away with that in international football which is played at a slower pace and with Kante alongside him doing the work of two people.

But in the real world of the EPL without the most industrious midfielder in the world alongside him he just leave the centre of the part too open and easy to by-pass. Even if we signed Rice or Ndidi I don't think it would work well enough and consistent enough to make us title challengers.

I think considering his skillset and the way we play he is best suited to playing in one of the wider roles. That said when fit and on form both Rashford and Sancho are better wide players than Pogba.

It would be madness to offer him a big contract when he doesn't even have a defined role in the side. If we had a proper DoF over the past few years this is something that could have easily been avoided. The club would have moved him on, and bought players to replace him that suit the side and fit in as first choice without having to adjust the entire side to fit them in.

That's on the club and not on Pogba or his agent.


23.) 05 Aug 2021 20:21:44
LPU, Pogba is an ambitious player and wants to play in the biggest games and win titles. Winning the world cup will just act to highlight how little he is winning at club level. While he was a good part of the France team that won the world cup he was probably only one or two of the first choice players in that tournament that hadn't won the league title in the past two years.

That probably confirmed to him that he wanted to move on to win titles at club level.

Discussing his infanthood was explaining that there are factors that have moulded him as a player. In this case they may explain why he doesn't have the mentality needed to be a world class player. Simply have the physicality or technical skills are not enough. He lacks that fighting mentality. The person he is starting forming as a child.


24.) 06 Aug 2021 06:29:23
Shappy, an ambitious player who doesn't work hard enough on the pitch, isn't that contradictory.

If you really have ambition it means you are willing to put in the effort to achieve what you want. Pogba hasn't done that enough at United.

If Pogba is ambitious but lacks the fighting mentality then him winning the world cup and the medals he won with Juve, was he lucky then?

No matter what his infanthood might have been if you are ambitious and are serious about a profession, you will find ways to grow and adapt your personality to be a success.

You will find many examples in professional sports where a person looks so intimidating while involved in their sport but are very gentle in their personal life.


25.) 06 Aug 2021 08:58:08
Shappy- in all of your replies to the majority of posts, you give the impression that you are "in the know" as you seem to state facts about the issues. If indeed you are, fine, but I'd wager your inside info on the truth of PP and his agent are supersition and indeed not factual at all.
You state that PP wants to leave and that the club tried to bully him:until he makes a statement to confirm that, then its opinion based on clickbait material. The facts are he signed a contract and whether on advise or understanding the terms were there in black and white. The point is he has not worked out as expected at MUFC and his contract is coming to an end. With that being the case, it is not unreasonable for a club paying him over 60m and his advisors over 40m to act professionaly by informing them of his wishes. If pp/ mr don't then not only does it leave the club with a financial dilemma, but it further jades the players time at the club. ANY body negotiating terms or dealing with the situation to the sums of money reported alone would not sit back and take a hit lightly. Imagine pp at spurs or newcastle: ashley and levy wouldn't take things lightly. I would personally like to see him transferred out of the club and save another year of wages and if we get a fee so be it as the club will be going long after PP.


26.) 06 Aug 2021 10:21:32
LPU, it's not contradictory at all. You can be ambitious but lack the drive or ability to achieve what you want.

Think about the early stages of the X Factor, how many people do we laugh at who want to be a pop star but sound like a cat being strangled? They have the ambition but lack the ability.

Pogba is ambitious, but that doesn't mean he has the mentality to achieve those ambitions.

He has won the world cup, yet if we are honest if he was born Irish or Finnish or South African then he would never get anywhere near winning it. Moussa Sissoko has won more world cups than Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo combined.

Football is a team game, Messi playing for Brentford would not make Brentford EPL and UCL winners. Pogba has won things with France because they have the best international side in the world with the best players. He won things with Juventus because they are/ were the best team in Italy with the best players.

I think Pogba want's to play with the best players, and that's probably why he want's to leave United as he hasn't had the best players around him. Rooney famously wanted to quit United because he didn't think the club matched his ambition and he thought the club needed to bring in better players for him to play with.

If you put Ronaldo's mentality in Pogba's body with Pogba's natural ability you would undoubtable have the best player in the world without question.

I think with Pogba football (and sport in general) comes so easy to him he doesn't even have to try most the time to be the best player in his team. At 15 years old he was being courted by all the top sides, United won and signed him when he turned 16. At 18 he thought he should be in the first team and because he wasn't he left. He joined Juventus and went straight in to the first team.

He has never had to fight a day in his life for anything in football, he's not like Smalling or Vardy who were rejected, kicked back and had to fight their way into football through the non-leagues. He has literally had everything handed to him on a plate since he was still a child. That sort of luck and ability means he hasn't developed a fighters mentality. He doesn't push himself out of his comfort zone as simply he has been able to coast by at a high level without ever having to. That is why he will never match the potential he has with actual performances on a consistent basis.

In the games where things fall easy for him and he is afforded time and space he puts on a show and plays well. In the games where he is denied time and space, where he doesn't get the rub of the green he disappears into the background as he simply doesn't have the fighters mentality to push back and get out of his comfort zone.


27.) 06 Aug 2021 10:33:42
Funky, forcing the extension without even saying to the player or his agent that they were going to do so is an aggressive and unprecedented move.

It has been stated in a few places by several individuals that it was the club that stopped talking to Mino and not the other way around. Which if you step back makes sense. Why would Mino stop talking to the club when he needs to work with them to achieve what his client is paying him to do? Whereas, the club resolutely don't want to sell Pogba and as such don't need or want to talk to his agent about the possibility of a sale.

Haaland's father stated that United tried to do a deal to sign his son but on the proviso that Mino was not involved. I appreciate that might only be one side of the story but in conjunction with the clear public falling out between the club and Mino it does make sense.

Pogba and his agent have informed the club of his wishes many times, unfortunately until the club start engaging with his agent again then they won't know what his current wishes are. Although seeing as he has wanted to leave for over 3 years I doubt that has changed.

The problem is the club overpaid to sign Pogba in the first place. The Ed's said at the time that other clubs were interested but none would even consider paying what Juventus and Mino wanted. meaning United were the only option left. Since then he has not really improved and in truth due to his age is worth less now than he was then. We paid 89m for him, but in reality he probably wasn't worth more than 60m. If now he is worth less than the 60m he was worth then it becomes clear just how poorly the club handled the transfer and how much they overpaid.

I think the clubs reluctance to sell him is to avoid the egg on their face they would have if they paid 89m for a player only to sell him a few years later for 50m.


28.) 06 Aug 2021 11:40:06
Shappy, what good is an ambitious player who lacks the effort to fulfill an ambition. In short he is ambitiously not good enough.

You say he never had to fight for anything in football and had everything handed out to him, then he does not need any ambition whatsoever.


29.) 06 Aug 2021 13:08:43
LPU, I agree ambition is only useful when it drives you to succeed.

I don't think Pogba will ever fulfil the potential he has because that potential is based on his physical and technical skills, the issue is though that he lacks the mentality to capitalise on those gifts and as such will always be a player capable of great things when he isn't challenged, but disappears when he is.

He has ambition to win things and thinks he is good enough. Yet he has for the past 5 years been stuck at a club that told him they had equal ambitions to win the biggest trophies, but in reality have not done enough to realise that ambition.

Much like Mourinho, United and Pogba are not a good marriage. United is a top club (in name at least) while Pogba is a top player (in name at least) . But the two just don't work well together and should just divorce.


 

 

01 Jul 2021 12:46:40
Just for fun?
Kane for 100m or
rice for £80 + lingard.
Personally rice deal looks massively better with age etc on his side and its what is needed now.

Funkypigeon

1.) 01 Jul 2021 12:58:26
Rice. With Sancho in, I think our forward line is strong, midfield however is weak.


2.) 01 Jul 2021 13:04:34
80 pounds plus lingard for rice is a steal.


3.) 01 Jul 2021 13:06:41
Is Rice really worth 80+ Mil?


4.) 01 Jul 2021 13:35:36
40 plus Lingard would be a good deal for Rice. I don't see us paying more than 60 millions total for him.


5.) 01 Jul 2021 13:39:12
£80m? 👀👀👀 For Rice?

I found some Basmati at Tesco's for £1.60. Are you sure you have your decimals in the right place🤣.

{Ed077's Note - depends on the type of rice Shappy. Is it Long grain? Aged for how long? Brown or normal white. Some are very cheap, and they are good too.

Not a word will be allowed against any rice😜.


BTW how do you guys cook rice?? If you actually do cook it by yourself..


6.) 01 Jul 2021 13:45:45
Rice can do the combined job of Fred and McT which will allow us to play Donny or Pogba in the midfield pivot, especially against a low block.


7.) 01 Jul 2021 14:06:25
Lingard and 80 million for Rice. come on! Maybe 50 plus Lingard for Rice.
Very good player but no way is rice worth that kind of money.


8.) 01 Jul 2021 14:11:48
Rice, water, butter, salt and teaspoon of vinegar into a dish and bake in the oven for 24 minutes. Perfection.

{Ed077's Note - why make something as simple as rice that complex?


9.) 01 Jul 2021 14:17:13
HM would be the priority over the striker for me. I think that with Cavani, Greenwood and Martial we are set at striker next year. Also think that Dialo can play in the false 9 position if needed.
If money was no object then there is an argument for Kane and I am sure that the club would see him as the marketable option. but on the basis of team building we should prioritise HM over striker.
Rice/ Ndidi if happy to spend big but there are cheaper options that i would still take.


10.) 01 Jul 2021 14:39:03
£60m plus Lingard would be a fair deal IMO, however, it's simply down to what West Ham value Rice at and whether we'd pay it.

I'd take Rice over Kane at the moment simply because in the coming season I think there's more of an issue in midfield than up front. Long term we are going to need a striker though as Cavani will be gone in 12 months and Martial is incredibly hit and miss. Rice, Pogba / VDB and Bruno is a great midfield 3.


11.) 01 Jul 2021 15:29:19
Rice simply because our team needs a DM to really make it work.


12.) 01 Jul 2021 15:44:00
Does ole want another midfielder?
I would imagine only if pogba is sold.


13.) 01 Jul 2021 15:47:45
Ed, rice cooker, it's a game changer. Cook with stock instead of water for really simple and tasty rice.

{Ed033's Note - Right, Ninja Foodi is awesome.


14.) 01 Jul 2021 16:16:14
Rice for Lingard + cash all the way.

Oh and Ed - heat a little oil, stir rice in oil until it starts changing colour from slightly transparent to solid white, add 2 parts water to each 1 part rice, bring to boil, stir, cover, simmer for 20 minutes. Perfect every time.

Might have a hard time finding a pot big enough to fit Declan in though, he's a big lad.

{Ed077's Note - Yet another different method to cook rice. (different just being another way to say complex;-)}


15.) 01 Jul 2021 16:41:10
RedD is the winner till now. :-)


16.) 01 Jul 2021 16:44:13
I've got to ask though Ed, does it matter whether the method for cooking Rice is simple or complex, he's going to object either way?


17.) 01 Jul 2021 17:45:23
If we sign Leith's Paul Currie, we are a bag of chips away from the perfect midfield.


18.) 01 Jul 2021 18:33:11
Rice is probably the necessity over Kane.

I also think Greenwood will surpass Kane in every aspect of his game.

{Ed077's Note - thats a lot of expectation on Greenwood then.


19.) 01 Jul 2021 19:01:00
Uncle bens packet rice lads. 😂😂😂 I kid of course.

{Ed077's Note - a diss at Jamie Oliver??


20.) 01 Jul 2021 20:08:44
Its difficult for Mason to have better hold up play of Kane and his play making abilities. Although he is still young and improving his all round game. But he is a lot faster, his finishing is on par with Kane i think and he is two footed. I think he will surpass Kane in some aspects.


21.) 01 Jul 2021 20:21:13
Slow cooker with a rice setting, six minutes for white basmati, 11 for brown. Easy peasy squeezy lemons.


22.) 02 Jul 2021 00:05:34
Rice is best in a pudding with a dollop of Jam.


23.) 02 Jul 2021 09:58:15
Don’t think I need to diss Jamie Oliver he does a good enough job himself. In the words of the mighty angelos epithemiou ‘like Jamie Oliver, without all the dribble…and Jamie oliver’.


24.) 02 Jul 2021 17:30:25
I'd love a rice cooker Ed, limited space in my kitchen so the oven bake way is a life saver.

{Ed077's Note - the toaster is probably taking too much space😂😂.


 

 

18 May 2021 08:52:01
Apparently OGS is quoted re mata as saying the ball is in mata's court on a new contract?
Surely this is a wind up - mata is a quality person with exemplory attitude but played very little part the last couple of seasons and is 33 years old- ok cavani is older but gets minutes and goals - never seen any goal allowed from the bench - really hope this club gets itself sorted if this is the case!

Funkypigeon

1.) 18 May 2021 09:52:52
I think this just means that the club have made an offer of an extension and its down to Mata whether he wants to take the club up on that offer. He is a valuable squad player for his experience, professionalism and leadership. If he signs an extension he won't see an increase in playing time, so its down to him as to whether he wants to move for more playing time or stay where he is. Simple as that. I don't see much wrong with that.


2.) 18 May 2021 10:32:17
We have Cavani, Matic and Pogba in the squad tbf who are experienced leaders in the dressing room and have won big trophies.

Would be an unneccesary use of the wage bill to keep mata at the club in my opinion.


3.) 18 May 2021 11:03:28
Dsg - agree!
Shappy- I hope you do well in life mate but please stay away from running a business - you'll be bankrupt in a fortnite! There is no room for sentiment by paying a man £100k per week to warm his arse on the bench. Its pure unadulterated stupidity- with that being the case we'll probably keep him and give him a pay rise!


4.) 18 May 2021 11:47:09
I think we must move Mata on.
The next gen players are waiting in the wing - Mejbri and Shola Shoretire can slot in the no 10 position for cup games next season.


5.) 18 May 2021 13:20:17
TRD,

I agree with you. Also we have a lot of mediocre players who need to be moved on aswell. I hope Garner gets a chance. It would make sense to see how he goes in the EPL. He can't be worse than Fred.


6.) 18 May 2021 13:35:26
Funky, I have previously been self employed for many years, as well as managing several businesses.

You mistake my post as sentiment. The idea of offering Mata a new contract wouldn't be based on sentiment for me. It would be based on his intrinsic value to the squad.

We have a young squad, a squad that lacks character and leadership. Mata is one of those voices in the dressing room the players listen to. He sets a great example of how to be a professional footballer to the younger players. He is a great ambassador for the club, he interacts with the fans and is the perfect professional.

While an argument could be made that his presence could block the pathway for a younger player, an alternative argument could be made that he also helps guide those young players.

Lingard will likely be off this summer, Andreas Pereira also. Both are players the club should move on before Mata.

If Mata is happy to sign a new deal to continue in his current role then great, I don't see that as an issue. He has clear value to a squad of 25 players. Building a top squad isn't all about having 22 young players who are all good enough to be first choice. You need a mix of ages and experiences, and you have roles within a squad that tend to be filled.

Mata is someone I expect to go into coaching, there are several stories about how he enjoys helping young players and passing on his knowledge and experience to them. Taking time to help players in training.

But like I said, the decision is in Mata's hands, he does clearly have a value to the club, that is recognised by them offering him a new contract. However, Mata has a decision to make, should he settle for a few appearances, good wages, not have to relocate his family and maybe a coaching role when he decides to retire, or does he want to uproot his family, move countries, probably for a lower wage but a more important role in a side and maybe play most weeks for the last couple of years of his career.

I wouldn't begrudge him taking either option. Personally I think Serie A would be ideal for him, a slightly slower but more technical and tactical league. While the culture and way of life will be much more with what he is used to. I think he would do very well in Italy and could play on for another 2-3 years in the first team.

Does he have offers? Who knows. I'm sure he'll make the right decision for him. If that means he stays here for another couple of years then great.


7.) 18 May 2021 14:46:11
Joking aside shappy, dsg hit the spot -we have senior players already who along with the staff and squad should more than make up for mata to move in in terms intrinsic value.
Agree mata may well go into coaching, whether or not he will have the character or the ability we don't know but i suspect he could still get game time in spain or italy and that may well be a factor as i can't see it in epl. Agree your points more so serie A.
Shappy i am continually astonished that we offer extensions or new contracts to players not commanding game time and at a late stage of their career, we simply should not be doing it. matic, mata, young (now inter), grant (going) romero (going) ddg (possible) . Young has gone but the remainder except ddg have not beebn 1st choice and command 100k + per week average over 1/ 2 a million in wages per week 25m+ per year. Not to be sniffed at especially in current climate- if players need any more motivation theyb could hire a clown and kids entertainer for lot less.


 

 

 

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12 Oct 2021 16:20:50
shappy- longstaff fcs man get a doctors appointment he is garbage. I hope you're wrong pal that we don't even give him a glance.
pogba -get rid
lingard sign or get rid asap
rice - will be expensive but have doubts we could get him
dembele - company for jones in medical room.
Totally agree with shappy when you mention Kessie and selective free agents
Still maintain we need rid of a fair few as well as bringing in / sorting the coaching and managerial side.

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06 Aug 2021 14:12:26
shappy- info from ed002 if you read above is interesting. Out of the players you name as possible, we could lose a
keeper, (DDG wages off books v henderson fee)
jones (on a free wages and he hasn't played for 18 month)
Bailly ed explained
Tuanzebe =loan fee and experience Villa?
Dalot - fee = ac milan
Pogba?
Matic probably squad or Roma interest? (cant see a loan)
Pereira = sell spain/ italy?
James ed002 info, could be useful as cover for rash?
Lingard Ed002 info again, would rather sell as I think he would be sickened by xmas and potential to lose him for nothing
Martial, sell if we can as we would probably get more for him than the others except PP. Read spurs still hold interest .
PP is the enigma as to position is/ will be prioritised next with incomings but shifting that lot would be a massive boost to wage savings and clearing space for youth and incoming players.
The real positive for me is the prospect of younguns developement over the next couple seasons, greenwood, elanga, shortire, hannibal etc etc .

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06 Aug 2021 13:57:08
ed002 -thanks so much for the update, enjoy the weekend!

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06 Aug 2021 12:37:39
Ed002 if you could please- is there anyfirm interest in bailly, james or lingard as of yet? They seem to be players that we could release for a few £££ and not affect the squad so much. tia.

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Eric Bailly (CB) new contract but could be available.
Daniel James (LW/RW) may be lucky and get a loan. Leeds have asked for a loan with an option to buy. Will be available.
Jesse Lingard (AM) West Ham want loan to permanent but Brendan Rodgers is keen on taking him. Manchester United will cash in if they get a decent offer.}


 

 

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27 Jul 2021 08:40:19
Thanks ed 002 for the info- hope they can offload martial tbh and can see why matic may stay. I guess things could change depending on playerscoming in and the pogba situation. Its starting to gather pace this years window and can see some good/ suprising deals coming soon.

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15 Oct 2021 08:47:32
Rashford coming back fit and fresh will give a boost but also an enigma with team selection imo. The defensive injuries and rb/ lb not fully firing could well be the main cause of negative results if they do come (inevitable over the next six games I reckon) Always optimistic but realistically thought the upcoming period could define Oles xmas and starting to get the feeling we will see images of him and Bruce signing on boxing day! . I want my team to win I want my team to play with swagger and style but most of all I want them to compete!

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09 Oct 2021 11:18:56
LPU - lol its so blatant to see and counter against- if i can see it surely any coach should. We can't or don't change mid games which good teams do/ can and are so predictable. Every match we start like this and control for 10-15 mins, the opposition work it out and slow the play down to frustrate when they can and press the next player that we are passing to. Fred can't work it out he must be in the corridor with matic sharing the dunces hat because they still play passes to guys with 2/ 3 players on them.
Every waking day, i progress more and more to the ole out camp as the guy is clueless but, he must take the P**s poor coaches with him.

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09 Oct 2021 08:16:21
We have a patten of sorts but its so easy to play against and nullify - we play ddg> maguire> shaw> half way line> across field> matic > awb> forward to halfway line > stumbles > loses it then scrambles back to defend>.

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08 Oct 2021 13:49:33
AFTERNOON FOLKS- Re newcastle: I live about 15 miles from the ground and was FORCED to watch John Tudor, Supermac etc as a kid whilst always being a MUFC fan so have lived with the wannabe mentality all my life!
Finally they have new owners, but feel they are already planning champions league winners parties as we speak which is so far from reality. City spent 1/ 2 billion getting the defense right and were able to attract players much easier than Newcastle irregardless of the money so think it will take much longer to get success.
Best of wishes for the fans of the club served with medicrity for so long but have no words for the glut stuck in 1996: its often said man utd fans can be bitter/ toxic?
Question for the eds if you can clarify- surely the wealth of the owners doesn't dictate the spend or value of the club does it?

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08 Oct 2021 08:21:19
Re the negative spin Tony- agree but tbh we have spent vast sums and have shown little or no improvement in the areas we were previously weak.
Is a 50m AWB any better than valencia/ young was- certainly not going forward.
Is £52 fred any better than fletcher, kagawa- no if you read the posts on here, further on is he any better than herrera, blind, no.
Is martial any better than ihbrahimavic, lukaku. no
and that is part of the problem. we recruit new players to replace older or players just moving on, and don't improve either the position or squad cover.
Its what good teams do our noisy neighbours, pool and countless others. I'm in the north east so you can imagine the crap pouring out at the moment but it will be an interesting watch to see what nufc do with access to funds over the next couple of years. In my opinion the drop off comes from the recruitment and the inner structure of the club and we can't get that anywhere near where it should be.

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