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21 Jul 2020 08:15:50
There has been some fierce debate since the Chelsea defeat but maybe some perspective is needed.

Only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea lost to West Ham and Sheffield Utd and looked anything like convincing in a narrow victory over Crystal Palace. They have their own problems in defence and with another Spanish goalkeeper coincidentally so they have not suddenly become world beaters again overnight.

Utd now need to show some resilience and mental strength. We look a team showing signs of fatigue and some parallels can be drawn to last season when Ole went on a magnificent run only for it to fall apart once we'd dragged ourselves back into contention. The same excuses were rolled out then. Injury and fatigue bore the blame but this time history cannot repeat itself.

We need to exhibit a steely reserve, to win our next two fixtures and complete a remarkable turn around. There will be no trophy or even celebration for finishing 4th. It will still represent a poor season where we have finished over 30 points behind the leaders but maybe the seeds of recovery have been sown over the last few weeks. A return to Europe's elite competition will see us welcome Europe's best back to Old Trafford and hopefully the extra revenue generated will be reinvested back into the playing squad.

As for next season expectations should be tempered. Any talk of a title challenge is dangerously premature and once again we'll be in a fight for a top 4 finish with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves etc

Progress has been made, the team is now capable of scoring more goals, is becoming more consistent, whilst the style and brand of football is slowly evolving. I think we've been treated to some fantastic, attacking football since the re start, scoring some memorable goals and perhaps we have seen the birth of our next academy superstar.

We've seen ourselves the difference that just one player can make to a team so with the right recruitment we do have cause for optimism. The prospect of seeing Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Sancho not matter how unlikely is exciting and with Greenwood continuing to develop we have a core of good players capable of competing with the best.

We must now finish the job and look forwards not back. The Chelsea defeat is consigned to history and in some ways we have bigger business to take care of. It's a big week ahead for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the direction of his Man Utd team.

DLIB

1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:27:48
Dlib
Nice to see there are still some people on the site with a modicum of common sense and knowledge. 👏👏.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:28:57
Sensible post. I think the issue is most of us have become entrenched in our views either pro or against the manager. Them the most recent results become the basis of either proving your opinion right or wrong.

The reality is the unless Ole massively improves them he isn't the right long term manager for us. Yet in the short term he has shipped out the right players, brought in players with the right mentality, he has given youth a chance, improved most players in the squad and given the club back some of its identity. As a result whoever takes over will take over a club and a side in much better shape than it was when Ole took over.

Whether this summer, next summer or beyond is the right time to replace Ole remains to be seen and until he is will remain a hypothetical opinion only.

My view is we have a young side that is benefitting from having a manger who trusts them, regardless of who we sign we are too far off of Liverpool and City who have sides at their peak currently to realistically catch them next season.

They say a squad peaks with an average age between 26-29. That is where Liverpool and City are now. Our average age is 23/ 24 so we need more experience before we hit our peak.

For me next season would be a success if we are comfortably 3rd with a much smaller gap between us and 1st, anything below a 10 point gap would be a great improvement. I think we need to win a cup either the Europa League this season or a cup next season. Winning breeds a winning mentality and with so many young players in the squad winning a cup would be a huge growth experience for them.

Onwards and upwards. We need to refocus on the next game, forget Leicester. Win at West Ham, and try and win by a good margin. That would show a good bounce back mentality and would go some way to maintaining confidence levels. While also putting us in the best possible place ahead of the final day showdown.


3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:58:29
Agreed. If Ole can get us back into the top 4, playing some good football, maybe Europa League as a bonus, you have to after he’s done a sterling job and deserves another transfer window to continue his project. The atmosphere around our club is chalk and cheese to Jose’s reign. I for one am not complaining - yes he makes a few mistakes, but he’s learning all the time.


4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:20:01
Top post DLIB.


5.) 21 Jul 2020 12:07:37
Top post and well said DLIB.


6.) 21 Jul 2020 12:52:37
Good post dlib. City have lost a host of league games this year and are 20 points worse off than last year and have just been outplayed by arsenal. Do we see mass hysteria? Sack pep? players not good enough? No we don't. If I had said after the Burnley defeat that with 2 league games to go CL qualification would be in our hands I would have been laughed off this site. We are looking a little fatigued which is why the team and the manager need all our support not relentless criticism for losing a game which wasn't in the grand scheme of things particularly important.


7.) 21 Jul 2020 13:31:30
our inability to finish teams off is one of the issues we had early in the season which has cost us points.


we have drew 11 games.

lost the 2nd least amount of games and have conceded the joint second least.

i think with a few more players, especially a right winger, and another central midfielder regardless if pogba stays or not you will see a difference.


8.) 21 Jul 2020 14:02:34
Good post DLIB.

But I remain unconvinced that Ole has what it takes to take us forward next season and beyond. Still too many question marks hang over him and what he has achieved so far. I do hope I am wrong.


 

 

 

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13 Aug 2020 22:39:47
The Sancho transfer is now looking increasingly unlikely and with the eye watering finances involved maybe it's time for the Club to draw a line in the sand and look to other options!

I'm not convinced there are many other real quality RW options available so maybe a tweak in formation could be the answer or let Greenwood continue to develop off the right.

I'm not a fan of Ole's preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. I don't think it gets the best out of Pogba and whilst Greenwood has been brilliant on the right I think he can be better utilised more centrally where he doesn't have to chase back into full back positions and he can remain higher up the pitch in and around the box where he is so dangerous. He could obviously continue to play from the right where he has been very effective and maybe the Sancho money could be better invested elsewhere.

I wonder if a midfield diamond or 4-3-1-2 formation could be the solution. Links to Grealish would make sense as he's capable of playing both in a midfield 3 and at No10.

Grealish could also find himself priced out of a move and another midfield option Donny Van Der Beek might represent the smarter choice. Capable of playing at 6,8 or even No10 I think he'd be an excellent signing for a much more palatable transfer fee. A midfield of Matic, Pogba, VdB and Fernandes could be very exciting and has a bit of everything. He can also play in a double pivot where he probably has more quality on the ball than the likes of Fred and Mctominay. He would give Ole plenty of options and is available for a reasonable fee!

I hope the Club don't spend all summer playing senseless mind games with Dortmund and risk missing out on other good options that are available.

On a different note Dayot Upamecano looks some CB. Pace, power, strength, composure and still only 21 he's going to be some player!

DLIB

1.) 13 Aug 2020 23:23:47
VD Beek has looked quality any time I've seen him, could play in most top tier teams I imagine and "sensibly"priced if there is such a thing.

I saw Upamecano couple of seasons back and looked skinny, tall and lanky and was very raw, like a young Smalling at Fulham - a gamble for a bigger team back then. Now he has grown into a very good player and just 21 - certainly more upper body strength than Smalling has ever had -which has always let him down - and carries the ball really well,


2.) 13 Aug 2020 23:25:23
Upemecano is awesome. We should go all in for him. He would be the backbone of our defence for a long time. If he ends up at City/ Liverpool they will be odds on to win the title again. He is like a young version of Rio and Vidic combined.


3.) 14 Aug 2020 06:12:09
First time I have seen Upemecano play, looks a proper player. Bild reported his release clause as €50 million.
Like de Ligt laat year after performing well in the CL, I can see someone buying him this summer.
Maguire, Lindelof, Upemecano and Mengi as the CBs options doesn't sound too bad.


 

 

12 Aug 2020 16:58:05
With our season reaching its crescendo Sevilla are now all that stands between us and a second Europa League final in four years!

I watched Sevilla against Roma and Wolves and they are a very good team. They press the ball very well and in possession they play with composure and authority.

I've been worried about our 4-2-3-1 formation for some time and whilst I think its been a success against the less talented teams I fear we can be dangerously exposed by the better sides.

Rashford and Greenwood play more as inside forwards than wingers and can often leave the full backs horribly exposed. I think Fernandes plays so advanced he's almost become a second striker and Pogba isn't the most disciplined or diligent from a defensive perspective.

Sevilla will provide a stern examination and provide us with a useful barometer for how much this team has actually progressed.

I expect Sevilla to press us high with aggression and intensity. We have struggled against teams that have adopted a high press and this will be a good examination of the teams composure and quality on the ball. Sevilla are also very comfortable in possession. They play with good fluidity and movement with runners off the ball and excellent rotation especially in midfield. This will test our concentration, ability to track forward runners and to win the ball back.

I expect Sevilla to provide Ole with a tactical dilemma. If we get outnumbered in midfield and try to continually play out from the back I think we could be in for a long evening.

Without wanting to sound negative I wonder if we should play any extra midfielder in order to try and help us get control of the midfield and get better possession of the football. I love Mason Greenwood and he no doubt provides us with a potent and clinical goal threat but he is only useful if we can feed him the ball in dangerous positions in and around the box. I thought Mata had an excellent game when he was introduced on Monday night. His intuitive movement and quality on the ball enabled us to better dominate possession and provided the likes of Pogba and Fernandes with more options on the ball. I wonder if there is case for starting Mata to try and get control of the midfield and secure better possession of the ball . Maybe Greenwood could provide a deadly option from the bench if we are chasing a goal.

I expect this is be an intriguing encounter and I'm fascinated to see how Ole approaches the game.

I think Sevilla probably start as slight favourites. They have wonderful pedigree in this competition and this is a young Utd side still searching for an identify despite playing some decent football since the turn of the year!

DLIB

1.) 12 Aug 2020 17:27:41
Regardless of how they play we should be beating these.

We have to much quality to not be able to beat these.

Play our strongest 11.


2.) 12 Aug 2020 17:32:14
4231 is a very fluid formation . it will be 451, 433 and 244 at times.


3.) 12 Aug 2020 17:46:55
Bolger- They finished 4th in La Liga on 70 points the same as Atletico Madrid underestimate them at your peril.

Jred - defensively our full backs are often exposed and outnumber as is our midfield. We've been getting away with it but against a good side I think we could be in trouble. This will be a very tough game in my opinion.


4.) 12 Aug 2020 18:00:33
They played well yesterday and were solid at the back. I won't be surprised if we see 5 at the back or pack the midfield with a diamond. don't think we will have the majority of the ball. should be a good game.


5.) 12 Aug 2020 18:04:21
DLIB it will be a tough game, but i don't expect a big change. Bruno may play a bit deeper in the transition. And the 2 wide men will prob have to be a bit more disciplined in the defensive formation but I don't think we will give up on our attacking intent to much .


6.) 12 Aug 2020 18:23:55
DLIB In my opinion, we had far more success this season against stronger teams and playing on counter, than playing vs bunker teams (at least until Bruno joined) . Giving them some possession might not be that bad.


7.) 12 Aug 2020 18:46:05
Jred - I may be mistaken but I think we might need to adjust tactically against the better teams especially if Ole wants to play Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Fernandes and Pogba together in the same team.

I'm still not convinced by Pogba playing so deep as a holding midfielder in a double pivot and I'd like to see him further forward and Fernandes drop deeper into a three man midfield. I think this would give the team more balance and allow Greenwood and Rashford to play alongside Martial as a genuine front 3.

In my opinion Pogba is too deep and Fernandes is too advanced. I'm not sure Ole has got the balance of the team right just yet. I think we'd benefit enormously adopting a 4-3-3 formation where subtle changes in positions can make a big difference both defensively and offensively.

I think we've been decent since the re-start and even looked really good on occasions but I'm just not convinced 4-2-3-1 is the right system to use against the better teams.

Trololo - I agree we've been decent on the counter against the better teams but with the signing of Fernandes, the return of Pogba and the emergence of Greenwood this is now a different Utd team. I just don't see Rashford and Greenwood being defensively diligent occupying full back positions and waiting for opportunities to counter as maybe Lingard or James would have done earlier in the season. In some regard we're better than that now and I think we need to develop a system where we can be more authoritative against the better teams and start to play them on a more equal footing.

For this team it evolve it needs to learn different ways of beating the better teams rather than dropping deep, surrendering possession and waiting for a few opportunities to play on the counter.


8.) 12 Aug 2020 18:57:09
Dlib like I say its a fluid formation and at times it will be 433 especially in the transition and building from the back .
But I still think it will look like a 244 in the attavking 3rd.


9.) 12 Aug 2020 19:26:37
We have struggled against anyone who presses. We simply need to bypass their press. Play it long and bring your midfield into it. Enter Ighalo.


10.) 12 Aug 2020 21:13:33
Shan you should change your name to big Sam.


11.) 12 Aug 2020 22:05:32
DLIB I could agree on that, but should they be learning that right now, when so close to the trophy?
Also, I'm not sure we can change our tactics so easily right now, since its still the same season and the same team. No changes were made, and there was no preseason and control matches to practice different things.
I do hope we will learn how to control the game against better opponents soon enough.


12.) 13 Aug 2020 05:25:15
I will jred when you change yours to LvG cause you are now boring.


13.) 13 Aug 2020 06:15:58
Diamond formation would really suit us for this game, as our full backs already are not great at attacking, they can stay behind.
A diamond of Matic sitting, McTominay/ Fred on one side, Pogba on the other and Bruno as CAM.

I would start Martial as my CF and the other could be any of Mata, Rashford or Greenwood.

With Mata, you can get the technical ability to unlock the teams, Rashford can play wide, and Greenwood is class.
Ighalo too coule be a decent option to start, to hold up the ball and be physical against a Spanish side, with Martial around him.

We 100% need 2 dms for this game one of which should not be pogba.


14.) 13 Aug 2020 10:13:40
I would go 433, win the midfield battle with Matic, Pogba and Fred then have Rashford or Greenwood on the right and Martial on the left to stretch the defense and have Bruno playing as the false 9.


15.) 13 Aug 2020 12:11:03
Imagine if Ole played Ighalo and went long ball the deacon of Shan, sure you would be saying what a great job he has done if he did that!


16.) 13 Aug 2020 13:34:00
Rooney said fergie should have done it v Barcelona in 2 cl finals gds2.
Im not sure we need to against seville but there is no harm on occasion particularly when your tecnically inferior.


17.) 13 Aug 2020 14:54:18
Absolutely GDS, why wouldn't I? That's called plan B if the original idea isn't working. We have lacked that plan B and have struggled when teams haven't allowed us to play out from the back. There have been times when you could play it long and defeat the press. That is what irks me that Ole doesn't have that in game management where we can switch when one thing isn't working. I bet we will still play DeGea to Maguire to Williams back to Maguire for 90 minutes on Sunday and give it away.

Take it from me today, if we do have a tactical plan to beat their press and Ole shows that he can be flexible and not hellbent on playing one way, i would stand up and applaud and be the first to congratulate him on here come Sunday.


 

 

01 Aug 2020 12:32:54
If we sign only one player this summer it has to be Jadon Sancho!

Yes the full financial package is sobering but in my opinion it's a risk worth taking.

At only 20 years of age Sancho has accumulated some impressive numbers and the prospect of adding him to the likes of Rashford, Greenwood, Martial and Fernandes is about as exciting as it gets.

The acquisition of Sancho would further evidence a shift in transfer policy more akin to our traditional past. Sancho is a young, supremely talented, British talent and whilst already performing at an elite level has the potential to get even better. It's a proven transfer strategy steeped in success that enabled us to dominate the Premier League for over two decades. Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney and even Micheal Carrick are all examples of talented young British players that gave the Club years of distinguished and loyal service.

In 1993 Utd paid a British record transfer fee for 21 year old Roy Keane. In 1995 Utd again smashed the transfer record to bring 24 year old Andy Cole to Old Trafford in a move which saw Kevin Keegan remonstrating with angry Newcastle supporters on the steps of St James Park. In 2002 Utd broke the British transfer record again to sign 23 year old defender Rio Ferdinand and in 2004 Utd made 18 year old Wayne Rooney one of the most expensive teenagers in football history.

Sancho has taken a more unusual route to first team football, he hasn't cut his teeth in the Premier League but experiencing a different culture and already having Champions League experience should provide reassurance that he will have little problem adapting to a new league or coping with the pressures of playing for one of the biggest Clubs in the world.

Sancho would provide Utd's front line with a plethora of different options and quality. Capable of playing on the right/ left or even at No10 he would predominantly provide a first choice option on the right but also give quality cover for other positions across the front three. His addition would provide versatility, creativity, assists and more importantly goals. Conceivably we would then have 5 players all capable of scoring well in excess of 15 goals per season and at the risk of sounding cliche goals win games.

Whilst other positions need strengthening and squad depth is a concern the acquisition of Sancho would perhaps bridge the gap sooner and provide the starting 11 with the quality needed to challenge at the top.

When you examine why we have toiled so much in recent years it has been an inability to score goals rather than keep them out. We finished this season with the third best defensive record in the league conceding only 1 more goal than City and 3 more than Liverpool. Conversely we scored an astonishing 36 fewer goals than City and 19 goals less than Liverpool.

I'm not sure we can afford to let Sancho slip through our fingers and whilst the cost might be eye watering so might his effect on the team. Sometimes players become available and if you have aspirations of reaching the very top they cannot be ignored.

DLIB

1.) 01 Aug 2020 12:45:18
I'm inclined to agree DLIB. It's one of those signings that if United fail to get it over the line, there would be uproar from plenty of fans.

I'd also argue that if we don't sign Sancho this summer, he will never play for us. Plenty of others have interest just not right now.


2.) 01 Aug 2020 12:50:28
Dlib
Agree, he is a united type player and signing all day long imo .
Rash martial greenwood and sancho, attack coild be sorted for years.
The lads only 20 you hope he is only going to improve.


3.) 01 Aug 2020 12:58:07
If you look at our first 11 the right wing spot looks the least settled. So clearly that has to be the first priority this summer.

I think your argument for putting all our eggs in a Jandon Sancho shaped basket is compelling, and he would certainly massively improve our first 11. For me the biggest killer of our chances of succeeding next season might well be squad quality.

On paper our first 11 is more than good enough to get results against anyone in the league. However, as we have seen this season we are one or two injuries away from struggling.

Until Bruno joined in January the loss of Pogba on our first 11 was such that we had no one with the progressive passing ability to open teams up who sit deep.

While the centre of our defence on paper has performed rather well. However, the reality is that we have been quite lucky and are often responsible for our own downfall by making silly mistakes. With Jones and Rojo clearly not good enough, Smalling often the best of the rest but ultimately still not good enough and Bailly and Tuanzebe struggling with injuries we really only have Maguire and Lindelof as regularly fit and possibly good enough.

Maguire played every minute of our league campaign, but a long term injury like Pogba has suffered this season would likely mean Jones being a regular starter.

While Pogba and Bruno can't be expected to play every game the best options to replace them in the squad are Fred and Lingard/ Pereira/ Mata take your pick. The drop off in quality goes from world class or potentially world class to mediocre and clearly not good enough for a top 6 team.

We have seen from the first half of this season a midfield including Fred, and Pereira isn't good enough for being in the top 8 let alone a comfortable top 4 side.

So while RW is vital to improve our first 11, a lack of quality in depth at CB and CAM could effectively cost us a top 4 place next season.

I would be very happy to sign Sancho, he looks a genuine top level talent. However we still need to improve other parts of the squad if we are to take the next step.


4.) 01 Aug 2020 13:00:03
When you write it down like that Jred it gets me salivating.


5.) 01 Aug 2020 13:17:50
I agree we should sign sancho but if he is the only signing we are still going backwards as others will improve a lot more.


6.) 01 Aug 2020 13:29:24
Absolutley this!

With champions league football next year, we need to be able to rotate players. We effectively have 3 capable forwards in a system that requires 3 forwards. If any of them get injured we can't fill that gap with top quality, and we can't expect them to play every game.

We need to have 4 top quality players for those 3 positions, which signing Sancho would provide. There should be plenty of games for all 4 to get a lot of football and not feel butt-hurt over being left out. Plus we have James who we can bring on when we're winning or need a purely speedy outlet or Jesse to see games out if he hasn't left.

However, we still need an additional attacing midfielder for the same reasons.

The 3 of Matic, Pogba and Bruno reeally work well. I think McTom could provide cover for Matic, and realistically Fred is suitable for bringing on in place of either 3 when games are already won, but both Bruno and Pogba are vital to the system and with either one injured or knackered the system falls apart. So I think a midfielder who can mix it up with those two is just as vital as Sancho. Grealish would probably do, but he seems line a pillock so hopefully we can find someone else of suitable quality.

I'm less concerned about the defence. Whilst none of us are overly enthusiastic at the thought of bringing on Jones, we do have 3 central defeneders of a reasonable level in Mcguire, Linelof and Bailly, plus Jones, TFM and Tuanzebe to provide cover. Whilst not spectacular, that should be sufficent if the rest of the team is firing on all cylinders.

Left back we have Shaw and Brandon, right back we have AWB and Dalot.

So yes, Sancho is vital imo, but just as much as him we need an attacking midfielder to allow Bruno and Pogba to rest.


7.) 01 Aug 2020 13:46:54
Shappy - I not convinced that strengthening the squad at the expense of losing out on Sancho is the correct strategy.

I actually think the squad isn't that bad. What we need are more players capable of helping us win games and Sancho is that player. We have a gaping hole on the RW and whilst Greenwood has filled the void brilliantly we then have no option off the bench. With our front players all capable of playing across the front three Sancho would undoubtedly improve our options immeasurably and vastly improve our goal threat. By signing Sancho you also greatly improve the squad anyway.

Our first 11 isn't yet good enough so I don't see the logic in signing players to improve our bench and not necessarily the starting 11. With Pogba likely to stay for at least another season I think he can be pushed further forward if Fernandes has an off day or gets injured. Whilst Pereria certainly isn't good enough to command a starting position or play every week he's certainly capable of filling in for the odd game especially if he is flanked by the likes of Rashford, Sancho with Martial upfront.

The more quality players you have in the first 11 the less impact it makes when some are injured. Our problems in my opinion originate from not having enough quality players in the first place therefore the likes Fred, Pereria and Lingard we're all starting together thus compounding the problem. Now we have Fernandes and if we got Sancho the fringe players would have better quality around them and wouldn't all have to all play together in the same team.

In my opinion Sancho is essential. Get the quality players in when they become available and by doing so you improve the quality of the squad anyway.

Football is all about opinions and no doubt other posters will have their own views on how we can best progress and bridge the gap. I don't think you can replicate quality and by definition if you lose your best players the team will be weaker. If you only have a few good players then their loss will be magnified and that is what I believe has been our problem. Let's get real quality into the team and if that means waiting to sign another CB or ACM then so be it as we do have other options.


8.) 01 Aug 2020 13:56:28
Roy Keane is not British.


9.) 01 Aug 2020 14:47:28
You better believe it darkred😂.


10.) 01 Aug 2020 14:53:16
DLIB, and what happens when that basket you placed all your eggs in breaks?

Chelsea are looking at signing 4 or 5 players, they already have Ziyech and Werner, they are looking at Havertz, Chilwell and a goalkeeper possibly Onana.

If they bring in those 5 players they will leapfrog us if we only bring in Sancho.

The truth is that we have dropped most of our points this season when we have had to rely on our squad players.

I did an exercise last week with our squad. Write down in four boxes "world class", "Great", "potential" and "average" then place every player in our squad on one of those boxes.

Only 3-5 players make it into the great/ world class boxes, with the rest split between average or potential.

I think it highlights just how average our squad is. Sancho of course would be a huge improvement. But we need others as well.


11.) 01 Aug 2020 14:58:16
The only thing i have a doubt about is that our two last signings from Dortmund have failed badly. Is Dortmund-United link jinxed?


12.) 01 Aug 2020 15:40:52
Shan I don't think there is a curse on United signing players from Dortmund.

I actually think that Dortmund have previously hired managers who are very good at getting more out of their teams than the sum of their parts.

Both Klopp and Tuchel make ordinary players look good, good players look great and great players look world class.

We aren't the only side to have signed a player from Dortmund only for them to not perform as well for us as they did for their previous club.

Hummels and Goetze we're okay at best for Bayern while looked world class at Dortmund.

Kagawa and Mkhitaryan looked great players for Dortmund but average for us.

Nuri Sahin was average at Real Madrid and Liverpool but awesome at Dortmund.

The only player I would say has looked as good or better at a new club as they did at Dortmund is Lewandowski.

If we sign Sancho, which is looking more and more likely, then I don't expect him to match his Dortmund numbers with us. Certainly not during his first season or two. The Bundesliga has many very poor defenders that make offensive players look far better than they are.

{Ed001's Note - are you sure you mean Tuchel? He is a poor manager if anything.}


13.) 01 Aug 2020 15:50:12
I see a lot of similarities between Brendan Rodgers and Tuchel ed1. Both are possesion based managers who start in a high at the team they takeover and slowly degrade overtime. Both seem to be not great at organizing the defence and both seem a bit dumbfounded when their team is on the backfoot. Both seem to have very high opinion of themselves verging on egotistical. So basically Tuchel is a better version of Brendan Rodgers IMO.

{Ed001's Note - very good comparison.}


14.) 01 Aug 2020 16:00:40
Who said we are only going to sign 1 player?

Also why does the system fall apart when pogba is missing? He didn't play any games before lockdown.


15.) 01 Aug 2020 16:05:19
Shappy
I'm surprised you seem to have forgotten about tuanzebe. I wonder if ole has a plan for him?


16.) 01 Aug 2020 16:32:08
Shappy - Who are the alternatives? Hypothetically speaking if we have a budget of around £120m (the approximate cost of Sancho) who would you buy that in your view would significantly improve us above and beyond just Sancho?!

Other targets obviously have to be available and attainable and whilst I appreciate there is an element of fantasy football about the question I'd be interested to hear how you think the money could be better invested?


17.) 01 Aug 2020 17:13:37
Is tuanzebe good enough?
I liked him as a youth player.
He did ok at villa no more. He has played about 6 games in 18 months.
He has played 2 or 3 games in the epl over last 3 years.
Hardly ever available no experience i'm doubtful he is the answer. Hopeful but very very doubtful.
Even if ole does have a plan will the player be available?
Rojo is crap. Nothing but a hindrance.
Jones is not even a hindrance he is irrelevant.
Smalling who is better than all 3 of them is on his bike.
We are shockingly weak at cb.
Lots of players but not enough reliable ones.


18.) 01 Aug 2020 17:16:03
Comparisons to what giant clubs do is pointless. We need to address gaps in our said only.

Sancho is clearly a priority and it looks like it will happen.

James Rodriguez/ Grealish would be a solid signing, and we have Ighalo for now to help up top.

Anymore would be great but not entirely necessary yet.


19.) 01 Aug 2020 17:52:26
Ole sees more of tuenz than any of us, is he an option, i have no idea but I do wonder if he is in ole plans. If he is and ole is looking to give him games it means we have 4 cbs. Him with maguire linders and bailly
Shappy has raved about him i'm surprised he has now dropped of the radar.


20.) 01 Aug 2020 17:39:04
Ed001, Tuchel had a very specific system which can raise the ability of the players. However, other coaches sooner or later work out how to play against his side's and he struggles. He is getting away with it at PSG as no team in the league can compete with them so regardless of the system they play they have significantly better players than everyone else. PSG are the only side in France who regularly bring in top established players. Normally the best players leave Ligue 1 not join it.

Jred, I really rate Tuanzebe and think he could be the answer alongside Maguire. Yet injuries have stopped his progression. He ticks the boxes, quick, great reader of the game and can cover his partner well. But he can't get a run in the team while he's injured. Same as Bailly really. Two potentially very good CB's but if they can't get on the pitch then we can't rely on them.

DLIB, the issue with Sancho is the transfer fee alone is 120m, his age "agent" wants 50m on top.

I think that we could sign a few players who individually aren't better than Sancho, but collectively would improve us.

Wide players we could consider would include Buendía, Tsygankov, Moussa Diaby all would give us a more balanced threat from the RW.

While DvdB is available for around the 40m mark, maybe a little less.

Gabriel Magalhaes is available for around 30m.

I'd imagine we could have one of the wingers and DvdB and Gabriel for the same price as Jadon Sancho.

{Ed001's Note - no no no, he took over a system that raised the ability of the players. It was nothing to do with him.}


21.) 01 Aug 2020 17:53:40
the other thing is as much as people go on about it I'm not sure conceding goals has been a major issue for us.


22.) 01 Aug 2020 17:55:42
Shappy did mention him above jred. But that he is always injured.


23.) 01 Aug 2020 18:16:10
Buendía, Tsygankov, Moussa Diaby all would give us a more balanced threat from the RW.
Shappy are madrid after any of them players .

Tuanzebe has had 3 injuries this season are we given up on him?
Time will tell but I do wonder if he is in the managers and the clubs plan both this season and long term?


24.) 01 Aug 2020 18:21:27
Buendía, Tsygankov, Moussa Diaby. I would take sancho over them all day long .
I don't think dvdb gets in the starting 11.
For me sancho would be a better addition and make a bigger impact than buendia and dvdb together.


25.) 01 Aug 2020 18:39:58
Shappy

Tuchel has managed Mainz, Dortmund and PSG; in the top leagues. Both at Mainz and Dortmund, he took over after Klopp who already had establihed a system for the team. Klopp already setup a winning system. At PSG, it took the genius of EMERY to no win the league and even Emery won 1 league title in France. So I don't think Tuchel has proved him to be a TOP class Manager/ Coach. On top of that he falls out with people at the club constantly so he isn't worth the hassle for top teams I think.


26.) 01 Aug 2020 19:03:12
Jred looking at the goals conceded no its not that ugly for sure.
Looking at that in isolation is fine but to be fair when you look under the skin of that we are conceding a lot of goals exposing a soft centre. I think both shaw and awb were very consistent and willams too. But lingard and maguire have been exposed time and again both individually and as a pair.
For me maguire does enough blocks and clearances to cover his 3 or 4 goal costing errors but lindelof is making the same mistakes now as he was 2 years ago. Probably 4 maybe 5 times this season bullied or physically beaten costing us goals.
I appreciate that all defenders make mistakes or get skinned making them look worse than they are but if lindelof is reassuring the same mistake over and over it can be better.
So while its not bad on the face of how much better could it be if we were not giving the soft goals away.


27.) 01 Aug 2020 19:21:15
Ken
I think maguire played well right up to lockdown, was slow starting after the break but personally I'm not going to jump on any player after a 100 day break and no pre season .
You defend as a team and we have done that well imo this year, its been more individual errors.
Ddg has probably had his worse season imo as well . I do think our back 4 issues are massively blown out of proportion.
On a side note intersection to see rumours of smalling being linked to juve after a very good season at roma . And think about the stick he got.


28.) 01 Aug 2020 20:03:32
Jred are you refusing to accept that the cb pairing are not up to standard? Lindelof makes the same mistakes repeatedly. Has done for 3 years now. He reminds me of rafeal in that regard still making the same errors time after time. He is very poor in the air for this league and level. He gets out muscled regularly.
It can be much much better. If you can't recognise that it can be a lot better i'd be surprised.
If players keep making individual errors and the same type of individual errors then they need replacing imo.
Its often the difference between a 1 nil or 1 all against the southamton or newcastles of the league.


29.) 01 Aug 2020 20:13:47
Lets see where smalling ends up. How many times have you been on here telling purple not to believe they retort the read?
But when its about one of your favourites you quote a report.
He did well there this season. His team were a distant 5th our defence was better without him.
He could still be a squad player here but i really admire him for embracing a wonderful professional and personal experience. He has done well. It may open new doors for him.
If juve make a bid for him and i doubt they will or have any intention of doing so it will be great for him but it won't effect how he did while he was here which was decidedly average imo.
Inter linked with him too.
Look how well sanchez is playing now for inter and the stick he got here.


30.) 01 Aug 2020 20:50:34
Ken
All areas of any team can improve i think our back 4 issues are massively blown out of proportion.
We scored 36 less goals than city abd only conceded 1 more .
We scored 19 less than the scouse conced only 3 more .
So room for improvement but no where near as bad as people make out imo.

To be honest smalling isn't one of my favourite players but he was a far better player than people give him credit for imo .

I think your comments about our defence being better with out him is a bit off the mark in regards to him as a player . We had signed maguire and awb, united adding them 2 to our defense improved our back line imo . That has nothing to do with the ability of smalling imo .
He had a really good season for Rome tho imo and looked good in seria A . When you think about how highly people on here rate other defenders in the same league?


31.) 01 Aug 2020 20:55:31
should also say sanchez has had about 5 good games.


32.) 01 Aug 2020 21:03:02
I think rw is the position we need to add regardless of who leaves the club, I'd love to see sancho arrive and I think we look way better when we can attack from both sides .
Most people seem to also want a new cb and a back up option to bruno .
Our squad has been seriously unbalanced for a few years now, take the two positions mentioned cb, if we added another we would have as it stands new player, maguire, lindlehoff, jones, smalling, Rojo . Bailey and tuanzebe .
As back up to bruno we would have new player, lingaard, mata, sanchez and perriera, all for one position as a back up to bruno
If we want a cb surely we need 3 out the door first and for a back up to bruno 3 maybe 4 to leave .
I'd like to see these positions improved as much as others but saying I'd sell x, y, z is a far cry from it actually being done .


33.) 01 Aug 2020 21:18:33
I know slate we find it hard to move players on due to their wages and lack of ability.
Its not easy to find someone that will give mata or lingard jones etc 120k a week never mind the likes of sanchez at 400k a week so they are in no rush to leave either. They are on easy street.


34.) 01 Aug 2020 23:02:48
That's what I'm getting at ken, replace them by all means but get players out first, how often are we going to need an 8 th choice cb or a fifth choice am .


35.) 02 Aug 2020 09:07:11
I have a feeling we will address the cb issue properly next summer .


36.) 02 Aug 2020 09:11:19
Long thread with some long posts but a simple point is that anyone who thinks buying squad players is all that is needed has been bamboozled, blinded by, vastly over rated, the team based on the final run in. The words “Great or World Class” are used too easily, 3 to 5 Great or a World class? Ronaldo was a great, City and Liverpool have 3 to 5 World Class players, but we certainly don’t, it is just over rating based on red tinted specs. That’s why we finished 3rd and that was just due to the final flurry.

We need top quality, yes “world class” in at least three positions, four if Pogba goes, not squad players. The club need to get selling, accept realistic prices, stop being rigid and amateur as Ed says. Buy the quality needed for next season or we will be looking at fighting the 3rd place trophy and that won’t be easy if Chelsea continue to strengthen. Don’t think Arsenal and Spurs won’t improve or Wolves either, yet we need to look up, not down, who we buy will define that.


37.) 02 Aug 2020 11:03:35
I think given the circumstances jred you may be right but that doesn't bode well for our ability to compete next season.
I think if the right player became available this summer they may jump on it but its not a priority unless we shed a few and getting rid of our motley crew of poor cbs will be harder than finding a new one😂.


38.) 02 Aug 2020 11:08:07
So sanchez and pogba both had 5 good games this season.
Both injured. Both now fit and playing well. In fact sanchez has been better for inter in those games than pogba was for us.
Players get stick when they under perform and so they should.
Im generally pleased when players leave and do well elsewhere as long as it doesn't hurt united.


39.) 02 Aug 2020 14:41:17
Ken
Ashely young has been better than the pair of them . what's your point?
I think pogba done well considering he was coming back from a long term injury.


40.) 02 Aug 2020 14:47:43
It was the same point you were making about smalling jred so you should understand the point without looking for clarification.
Players get stick here but can perform elsewhere.
You made a good point about smalling the same goes for sanchez.
At their age the slower league suits them. Moses is out performing young in games also.


41.) 02 Aug 2020 16:04:16
Ken i have no idea what that has to do with pogba?
I agree players can look a lot better in seria A tho .
I would 100% disagree on moses tho.


42.) 02 Aug 2020 16:47:40
Of course you would but that's what the reports are saying he has been very good.


43.) 02 Aug 2020 16:53:35
Ken

Smalling was not a leader or commanding figure in the back four. However, I wonder how he would have done alongside Maguire. What are your thoughts on how Smalling would have done alongside Maguire? I think he would have been better than Lindelof. Should we have got rid of Jones and kept Smalling?


44.) 02 Aug 2020 18:33:53
No doubt. Smalling is streets ahead of jones and rojo.
Im not sure he his total game is better than lindelof but is better in the air for sure.
At the end of the day he was here 8 or 9 years and never delivered what was required. All managers played him they also all dropped him.
So hard to know redman sometimes players look better when they don't play but then when they do they only let you down again.
Bottom line is our defence is better now than it was when he was in it.
Southgate said smalling and maguire couldn't play together but he could be wrong.


45.) 02 Aug 2020 20:09:33
Ken what reports? Someone been winding you up . Moses has been struggling to get in the team.


 

 

27 Jul 2020 20:12:00
Solksjear survives!

In a nervy and narrow final day victory at the King Power Stadium Ole somehow succeeded in navigating his often maligned team to a 3rd place finish in the Premier League. Old Trafford will once again welcome Europe's elite at the Theatre of Dreams and the cash registers will chime with delight at Utd's long awaited return to Europe's pinnacle competition.

In a story of survival fitting of any intrepid explorer Ole looked a dead man walking as early as December. Dour draws against Sheffield Utd and Aston Villa had Ole teetering on the brink and with upcoming fixtures against Spurs and Man City many seething sceltics were already writing his obituary. The unlikeliest of victory's in both games brought Ole a stay of execution but only a few short weeks later sobering defeats to Burnley, Arsenal then a schooling from Man City in the league cup had Ole with one foot in the proverbial grave.

Ole was in need of enlightenment and it duly arrived in the January transfer window in the form of a bearded, Portuguese saviour called Bruno Fernandes.

Rarely has one player galvanised an entire Club but since Fernandes sauntered onto the training pitches of Carrington Utd were reborn.

Since his arrival Utd did not lose another Premier League game. C.V. conspired to lend Ole another helping hand. With the world in lockdown it was a chance to rest aching bones and by the time football returned the cavalry had arrived. The return of Pogba, Rashford and the emergence of the young but brilliant Mason Greenwood provided Utd with a renewed swagger.

Utd set about their work with a renewed confidence and arrogance. Sheffield Utd, Brighton, Bournemouth and Aston Villa were all put to the sword with attacking football good enough to grace any era.

Just as Utd looked capable of sweeping all aside a last minute leveller for Southampton saw the grim reaper circling once again. A De Gea howler and Pogba handball saw the pale rider take his seat at the King Power ready for one final sweep of his scythe. Not for the first time Ole prevailed!

DLIB

{Ed025's Note - thats a great piece right there DLIB...kudos mate..


1.) 27 Jul 2020 20:18:58
Great post DLIB.
Onwards and Upwards.


2.) 27 Jul 2020 20:51:08
Thanks Ed025 TRD!


3.) 27 Jul 2020 21:23:34
Post of the season.


4.) 27 Jul 2020 21:31:25
OP wins the internet for a day 👏.


5.) 28 Jul 2020 11:38:31
Cracking post dlib 👍.


 

 

23 Jul 2020 11:13:37
Ed001 - if you've got time what do you make of Utd without the ball?

I don't think we pressure the ball anywhere near aggressively enough and even when we were winning I was worried by how easily teams were able to advance into good attacking positions.

I think in Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and Fernandes we have players capable of scoring goals and a lot of teams have perhaps lacked the quality in the final third to really punish us during our recent good results.

I hear Ole constantly say he wants us to be the most humble and hard working team in the league but I see no real development or plan to aggressively win the ball back when we lose possession.

Am I being fair or should we be worried?

DLIB

{Ed001's Note - you are correct if Ole is aiming for a high press, but I don't see any signs that he is moving in that direction. He seems to be more looking for the players to get back into position and defending by holding out that way. To be honest with the defensive and midfield players you have, it makes more sense to drop off and get into place. Maguire is excellent in the air, but get him caught in a high line against any kind of semi-quick forward and he is in trouble, both positionally and in terms of his ability to see out the problem. Maguire is very slow on the turn and you need to try and make allowances for that, which would be dropping off and not giving space in behind for players to turn him.

There would be no point in going with a Liverpool or City style high press with the players you have. There are too many who lack the mobility to apply it, Matic for one, he is a very good player but he can struggle against nippy midfielders running off him. It seems like, imo, one thing that you can see as a positive that the weaknesses have been identified and strengths assessed and the team is being played to suit them. The problems come when you have players making silly errors, like marking each other or spilling simple shots or when you come up against teams that do not allow you to play the way you want.}


1.) 23 Jul 2020 11:43:45
Ed, that’s my worry for Sunday against LCFC. Their attack is going to terrorise our defence. Squeaky bum time.

{Ed001's Note - so long as Vardy is denied space in behind, his main strength is completely negated. Stay compact and hit them on the break, their defence lacks organisation and has been getting away with it rather than been strong. They can be easily pulled out of position and exploited, as Liverpool did repeatedly. With the pace you have on the break you can easily do similar, just need to be more clinical than Liverpool were. They are not that good and that is why their form has dissolved since the break. Other teams have had a few months to analyse their play and find the weaknesses and Rodgers is weak tactically, so there is little chance of him adjusting things to fix the problems.}


2.) 23 Jul 2020 11:55:54
I agree Ed, there is no evidence that Ole wants to utilise a high press and that's what worries me!

I don't like players just dropping back behind the ball into defensive positions. I think it allows the other team easy possession and players then tend to ball watch or pass responsibility to others. Because we play so deep we tend to give a lot of corners and set pieces away which is brilliant for teams which perhaps lack the quality to play through us.

When we do finally regain possession its normally from a goal kicks or deep inside our own half meaning we've then got to advance up the entire pitch to create chances. I also think a less aggressive approach can often make us laboured in possession and move the ball too slowly. We've been guilty of letting many games drift where nothing really happens for long periods of the game. We also had this problem with LVG and Mourinho and Ole doesn't seem to have learnt this lesson.

All the best teams now show a real hunger and appetite to win the ball back quickly and from a personal perspective I'd prefer a coach with that philosophy.

If I have any criticism of Ole it's for not building a team towards playing that kind of football and of course the individual mistakes certainly don't help.

Thanks for your input Ed always appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - a high press is only an initial thing anyway. If you watch City, for example, play, they press for just a few seconds then drop off or simply commit a foul and drop back in defensive positions. It is a much easier way and safer way to defend, as you are not risking getting caught out shorthanded at the back so often. You would need more pace and quality at the back to play the high press successfully, and it would definitely mean the end of De Gea's time as he can't play the sweeper role.}


3.) 23 Jul 2020 12:57:51
Always enjoy reading your unbiased, insightful views on united ed001 👍.

{Ed001's Note - thank you!}


4.) 23 Jul 2020 13:06:23
Thanks Ed. Appreciate the input.

{Ed001's Note - cheers scoob.}


5.) 23 Jul 2020 13:09:26
scooby there attack is just vardy, you stop the space and he does nothing,

we have a decent defense its just come under pressure recently because of mistakes.

they are without Madison and chillwell and as spurs shown you get at there defense and they are easily beatable.


6.) 23 Jul 2020 14:08:32
Good insight Ed001.

I'd say one of our biggest problems just now may seem like a small thing but it puts plenty of pressure on our defence. We play out from the back on every goal kick with full backs who aren't particularly comfortable on the ball, CB's who are good but not great on the ball and no midfield options. Basically let Maguire or Lindelof have it, stay tight on Pogba and Matic and we pretty much have no way out. The amount of times over the past four or five games we've given the ball away in stupid areas or simply ceded possession by playing a poor pass or having a poor first touch in our own half is ridiculous.

{Ed001's Note - those kind of things worry me. They are so commonplace and there is no need for it. Managers should realise that there is nothing wrong with mixing things up. How many times did Fergie's teams pop a long ball into the corner for a winger to chase and turn the opposition's defence? There is nothing wrong with playing long passes sometimes, it is not about short or long, it is about the right ball for the right moment.

Pep's entire tactics with the passing it around from the back is about creating space for those long balls out. He doesn't want them to pass it around there for the sake of passing it around, it is about drawing in opponents to create gaps, but his whole team is built around that tactical ploy. If you haven't got the players, then you can't use it, so why try? It annoys me watching teams just rolling it around at the back aimlessly because they think it is the way to do it.

When Liverpool began doing it in the 70s and 80s it was to tire out opponents chasing them that they would constantly pass it around and then go back to the keeper. It would wear down the opposition and mean they would start making errors in the second half due to tiredness.

The problem is that too many managers have read the quotes about Total Football and how it used possession as a defensive system by not giving the ball to the opponent and focused on it. They failed to realise that just having the ball is not enough and that it was just part of the tactical approach. They are going in there with just half the story and so missing the point!}


7.) 23 Jul 2020 14:55:48
It's been a concern of mine across the last few games and I kinda feel like if I'm seeing it, Ole and the coaching staff should be too and trying to get away from it now and again.

The playing out from the back is my biggest worry going into the Leicester game. Rodgers isn't great tactically but they should be fresher and have seen how Southampton and Chelsea had joy when pressing us when doing this. Particularly if it's Williams or TFM at LB as both are right footed which naturally makes it more difficult to go up the line to Rashford.


8.) 23 Jul 2020 15:45:09
I don't see a huge amount wrong with our tactics, in the most part they suit the players we have and can be very effective.

We don't park the bus anymore, although we are still susceptible to being pressed, which can against top sides leave us hemmed in.

For me the issues are simple, we make too many individual mistakes. That is down to concentration, or the lack of it. While a defensive leader who can talk our defence through a game and keep the rest of them concentrating would massively improve us from a defensive view point.

When looking back at the goals we have conceded this season most have come from silly easily avoided errors. Literally like 80%. If we can cut that down even just by half we would probably be 10-15 points better off.


9.) 23 Jul 2020 15:14:52
Good point RJ I completely agree with that mate and your reply Ed001.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}


10.) 23 Jul 2020 19:31:56
Great stuff as always ed001. Well put 👏👏.

{Ed001's Note - thank you.}


 

 

 

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04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!

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03 Aug 2020 19:39:01
Fair play to Woodward if he gets €15m for Sanchez. I'm sure most of us would have accepted a slice of pizza and a Limoncello!

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02 Aug 2020 13:16:36
I'm no expert but even if it was true Dortmund would surely have to pay a hefty amount towards that figure anyway. I'm
don't think Utd would pick up the full amount.

I think it's best to steer clear of the financial aspects of transfer deals they are often complicated, heavily incentivised and payed in instalments so the full cost isn't always completely transparent at first sight!

I have no idea why Utd are so hesitant to sell players. Most of the squad are on insane wages and the likes of Smalling, Jones and even Rojo have been at the Club a long time so it seems like a no brainier to get any fee they can and get them off the wage bill. Without having a detailed knowledge of football finance there must be something we're missing as in terms of generating revenue Utd are still one of the best. I find it hard to believe they don't know what there doing but I suppose the fact all theses players are still at the Club tells its own story.

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02 Aug 2020 12:54:52
Shappy - I'm not sure where you've seen the agent wants £50m but if that's the case the game has gone mad and that deal will never happen! I just can't believe that!

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30 Jun 2020 19:40:08
I think it's pretty obvious he meant "Game" time.

Eric I would assume it's pretty similar to the one where Utd have promoted an academy graduate into their match day squad for over 4000 consecutive games stretching back to before the Second World War. Sometimes the proof is in the pudding. I think we can all understand those stats despite the lack of a road map.

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12 Aug 2020 18:46:05
Jred - I may be mistaken but I think we might need to adjust tactically against the better teams especially if Ole wants to play Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Fernandes and Pogba together in the same team.

I'm still not convinced by Pogba playing so deep as a holding midfielder in a double pivot and I'd like to see him further forward and Fernandes drop deeper into a three man midfield. I think this would give the team more balance and allow Greenwood and Rashford to play alongside Martial as a genuine front 3.

In my opinion Pogba is too deep and Fernandes is too advanced. I'm not sure Ole has got the balance of the team right just yet. I think we'd benefit enormously adopting a 4-3-3 formation where subtle changes in positions can make a big difference both defensively and offensively.

I think we've been decent since the re-start and even looked really good on occasions but I'm just not convinced 4-2-3-1 is the right system to use against the better teams.

Trololo - I agree we've been decent on the counter against the better teams but with the signing of Fernandes, the return of Pogba and the emergence of Greenwood this is now a different Utd team. I just don't see Rashford and Greenwood being defensively diligent occupying full back positions and waiting for opportunities to counter as maybe Lingard or James would have done earlier in the season. In some regard we're better than that now and I think we need to develop a system where we can be more authoritative against the better teams and start to play them on a more equal footing.

For this team it evolve it needs to learn different ways of beating the better teams rather than dropping deep, surrendering possession and waiting for a few opportunities to play on the counter.

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12 Aug 2020 17:46:55
Bolger- They finished 4th in La Liga on 70 points the same as Atletico Madrid underestimate them at your peril.

Jred - defensively our full backs are often exposed and outnumber as is our midfield. We've been getting away with it but against a good side I think we could be in trouble. This will be a very tough game in my opinion.

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06 Aug 2020 14:42:43
Red Man - I assumed it was a little tongue in cheek. Along with Shappy and many others I really respect and enjoy reading your posts. Sometimes I think we can all be guilty of failing to see the other side of the argument but this site wouldn't be as entertaining if we all thought the same way and we all ultimately want the same thing we just have different ideas on how to get there.

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06 Aug 2020 13:39:02
Red Man - Last summer the manager sold our most prolific striker and sent out our highest paid player on loan to Inter Milan.

He placed his trust in academy prospects Marcus Rashford and Mason Greenwood so if that isn't a pathway into the first team or giving opportunities to young players than I have no idea what it looks like! If we sign Sancho this summer then we have an English front three with the potential and talent to represent the Club for the next decade whilst hopefully all developing together to help us challenge for the major trophies. If this trident does indeed go on to propel the Club to future glory it was born from a manager with the vision and courage to make bold decisions and ultimately place his faith in the academy.

I agree Mengi could possibly have been afforded more minutes and I'd also like to have seen Ethan Laid given a chance at full back but the manager assess the players every day in training and if he believes a more gentle introduction to first team football is advantageous then I trust his judgment.

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06 Aug 2020 12:43:32
Shappy with all due respect surely you have no idea what development plan Utd had for Gomes and to suggest otherwise is simply misleading. You talk as though you are an authority on the subject but you can't possibly know how the academy is managed or its development plan for individual players.

You seem to be regurgitating and putting your own interpretation on something you believed you've read but choose to ignore the facts.

Pereria, Henderson and Tuanzebe have all been out on loan as have countless other academy prospects.

The academy may very well be failing our young players but in the absence of a detailed explanation of why or a model of best practice being used at other Clubs producing superior results we can only rely on the facts which are both overwhelming and irrefutable.

I am sure there are many areas where the academy can undoubtedly improve but it's success in producing players that go on to represent the first team is both impressive, enduring and is in fact a core value that permeates the entire Club.

Trusting in youth and giving young players a chance are values synonymous with Manchester United and there can be no greater incentive than that of opportunity and a core belief in youth. Road maps and development plans are of course very important but count for nothing if the Club doesn't present players with the opportunity or has the patience to give its young players a chance.

I always like reading your posts but I'm not sure your taking a balanced view on this topic. Gomes is merely one player from an academy of hundreds and I think many people are scratching their heads and trying to interpret the situation.

Gomes was supposedly one of our most talented and brightest academy prospects. We were led to believe that he was being courted by the likes of Chelsea and Barcelona who were going to present him with a development plan or road map into their first team and Utd were somehow responsible for mismanaging a generational talent. In reality he has signed for Lille and now finds himself on loan at Boavista! You are suggesting Lille have a masterplan to turn him into another superstar but all I see is another young player out on loan trying to make his own way in a ruthless game. I wish him all the best and hope he can realise his true potential!

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