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21 Jul 2020 08:15:50
There has been some fierce debate since the Chelsea defeat but maybe some perspective is needed.

Only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea lost to West Ham and Sheffield Utd and looked anything like convincing in a narrow victory over Crystal Palace. They have their own problems in defence and with another Spanish goalkeeper coincidentally so they have not suddenly become world beaters again overnight.

Utd now need to show some resilience and mental strength. We look a team showing signs of fatigue and some parallels can be drawn to last season when Ole went on a magnificent run only for it to fall apart once we'd dragged ourselves back into contention. The same excuses were rolled out then. Injury and fatigue bore the blame but this time history cannot repeat itself.

We need to exhibit a steely reserve, to win our next two fixtures and complete a remarkable turn around. There will be no trophy or even celebration for finishing 4th. It will still represent a poor season where we have finished over 30 points behind the leaders but maybe the seeds of recovery have been sown over the last few weeks. A return to Europe's elite competition will see us welcome Europe's best back to Old Trafford and hopefully the extra revenue generated will be reinvested back into the playing squad.

As for next season expectations should be tempered. Any talk of a title challenge is dangerously premature and once again we'll be in a fight for a top 4 finish with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves etc

Progress has been made, the team is now capable of scoring more goals, is becoming more consistent, whilst the style and brand of football is slowly evolving. I think we've been treated to some fantastic, attacking football since the re start, scoring some memorable goals and perhaps we have seen the birth of our next academy superstar.

We've seen ourselves the difference that just one player can make to a team so with the right recruitment we do have cause for optimism. The prospect of seeing Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Sancho not matter how unlikely is exciting and with Greenwood continuing to develop we have a core of good players capable of competing with the best.

We must now finish the job and look forwards not back. The Chelsea defeat is consigned to history and in some ways we have bigger business to take care of. It's a big week ahead for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the direction of his Man Utd team.

DLIB

1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:27:48
Dlib
Nice to see there are still some people on the site with a modicum of common sense and knowledge. 👏👏.


2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:28:57
Sensible post. I think the issue is most of us have become entrenched in our views either pro or against the manager. Them the most recent results become the basis of either proving your opinion right or wrong.

The reality is the unless Ole massively improves them he isn't the right long term manager for us. Yet in the short term he has shipped out the right players, brought in players with the right mentality, he has given youth a chance, improved most players in the squad and given the club back some of its identity. As a result whoever takes over will take over a club and a side in much better shape than it was when Ole took over.

Whether this summer, next summer or beyond is the right time to replace Ole remains to be seen and until he is will remain a hypothetical opinion only.

My view is we have a young side that is benefitting from having a manger who trusts them, regardless of who we sign we are too far off of Liverpool and City who have sides at their peak currently to realistically catch them next season.

They say a squad peaks with an average age between 26-29. That is where Liverpool and City are now. Our average age is 23/ 24 so we need more experience before we hit our peak.

For me next season would be a success if we are comfortably 3rd with a much smaller gap between us and 1st, anything below a 10 point gap would be a great improvement. I think we need to win a cup either the Europa League this season or a cup next season. Winning breeds a winning mentality and with so many young players in the squad winning a cup would be a huge growth experience for them.

Onwards and upwards. We need to refocus on the next game, forget Leicester. Win at West Ham, and try and win by a good margin. That would show a good bounce back mentality and would go some way to maintaining confidence levels. While also putting us in the best possible place ahead of the final day showdown.


3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:58:29
Agreed. If Ole can get us back into the top 4, playing some good football, maybe Europa League as a bonus, you have to after he’s done a sterling job and deserves another transfer window to continue his project. The atmosphere around our club is chalk and cheese to Jose’s reign. I for one am not complaining - yes he makes a few mistakes, but he’s learning all the time.


4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:20:01
Top post DLIB.


5.) 21 Jul 2020 12:07:37
Top post and well said DLIB.


6.) 21 Jul 2020 12:52:37
Good post dlib. City have lost a host of league games this year and are 20 points worse off than last year and have just been outplayed by arsenal. Do we see mass hysteria? Sack pep? players not good enough? No we don't. If I had said after the Burnley defeat that with 2 league games to go CL qualification would be in our hands I would have been laughed off this site. We are looking a little fatigued which is why the team and the manager need all our support not relentless criticism for losing a game which wasn't in the grand scheme of things particularly important.


7.) 21 Jul 2020 13:31:30
our inability to finish teams off is one of the issues we had early in the season which has cost us points.


we have drew 11 games.

lost the 2nd least amount of games and have conceded the joint second least.

i think with a few more players, especially a right winger, and another central midfielder regardless if pogba stays or not you will see a difference.


8.) 21 Jul 2020 14:02:34
Good post DLIB.

But I remain unconvinced that Ole has what it takes to take us forward next season and beyond. Still too many question marks hang over him and what he has achieved so far. I do hope I am wrong.


 

 

 

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03 May 2022 15:46:59
As the curtain comes downs on a dreadful season plagued by mutiny, dissent and accusations of players not trying and leaking stories to the press last nights performances was a pertinent reminder that there is no substitute for class and professionalism.

Ronaldo, Mata, Matic and Varane reminded us that football doesn't always have to be played at 100mph. Intelligence, experience and professionalism continue to be important attributes especially at a Club that seemingly prefers celebrity and drama. They are the only serial winners at the Club and whilst their star is fading they showed the others last night how to pass, retain the ball and play as a team rather than individuals.

Whilst I accept Utd were never likely to win the league with Mata and Matic playing every game class in permanent and they made everyone around them better. Bruno didn't try too many Hollywood passes preferring to player quicker, shorter passes and the rotation of the forward players was much better with Ronaldo less isolated and more involved.

Certainly under Ole and even Rangnick to a lesser degree players such as Greenwood and Rashford were over used. Too often they got the ball, cut inside and hit a hopeful shot, conceding possession and inviting the counter attack. Neither pressed the ball effectively well nor tracked back leaving the midfield and defence hopelessly exposed. Utd had become stale and predictable, overly reliant on the individual rather than the team.

I hope under EtH we'll see a more patient, possession based game with more numbers and rotation in midfield.

I think most of us accept that games are won and lost in midfield and for once last night we actually won the midfield battle. Many will say it was only Brentford but Wolves, Aston Villa, Watford, Leicester, Everton and Southampton have all taken points at Old Trafford this season.

Last night was a glimpse into our past but also our future. Things can only get better.

DLIB

1.) 03 May 2022 17:27:53
There were many periods of aimless passing yesterday, just flipping the ball back and forth like nothing mattered. Certainly not what I am hoping to see.

Did anyone see Ronny gasping for air when he won the pen? These guys have all had their day. We need to look to the future. No PPI t having a rebuild with players who willreture end of next season.


2.) 03 May 2022 17:58:28
Nonsense DB. No point in having a rebuild and keeping players that retire next year. That is stupid talk.
Why would you get rid of experience like that?


3.) 03 May 2022 19:01:23
Lolllll DB Ronnie is 37 yet he is more fitter then 95 percent of footballers on this planet.


4.) 03 May 2022 19:07:13
Dodgy - I call aimless passing two centre half’s passing the ball between themselves, I don’t think we saw that yesterday. Matic played some lovely incisive passes through the lines and Mata was always on the move creating angles to receive and recycle the ball. When any team looks to dominate the ball and keep possession there will always be some backwards and sideways passing.

I think maybe you’ve missed my point of course the team won’t be built around Matic, Mata and Ronaldo but I was referring to the way we approached the game. We had more numbers in midfield and retained the ball much better. We saw rotation, movement, triangles, players playing closer together and supporting each other, wanting the ball and looking after it. For periods we looked less like a pub team and more like a professional outfit that knew what they were doing.

Under EtH I think we’ll target players that are more comfortable in possession and play with intelligence. I don’t think we’ll see players running up blind ally’s or shooting from ridiculous positions. I don’t think we’ll
see constant Hollywood type passes but we’ll play with more patience and control. My fear is some supporters will label it aimless and boring and if we have a run of bad results will soon put pressure on the manager.

I think there is enough evidence to suggest that if we can get players in support of Ronaldo and provide him with chances he’ll score a bucket load of goals even if he’s out of breath. Take him out of that dressing room and its littered with over paid, egotistical, trash that have won absolutely nothing.

I fear Utd has become a destination for some players whereby just playing for the Club on massive wages and huge social media following is actually considered success even without the trophies. Ed Woodward called it Disney Land!


5.) 03 May 2022 20:37:01
DLIB, DodgyB, MxTominay showed his limitations last night. So often played backwards, sideways or even forward passes which went behind the target player, not in front to run o to. He can't read the game, gets caught in possession in dangerous areas and is lousy at passing or transition support. He was the culprit of the wasted pointless momentum losing actions for me.


6.) 03 May 2022 21:12:54
For the past few years, United has preferred brawn over brain and that's the reason the likes of Rashford have started over Mata.


7.) 04 May 2022 01:06:04
Ronny needs to accept that he has to play less time and be more effective. Unfortunately he want to play every minute of every game and thinks that in any game he can get the miracle goal in the 96 minute.

We need to bring in new talent to take over. Greenwood, quite rightly, will be gone. So now we need to attract a striker. No good striker will come to sit on the bench and keep quiet so as not to upset Ronney's ego.

Yes he is a winner. But he is in the twilight of his career and he will not accept that. Too disruptive to keep him now. Had greenwood been playing and ready in the wings (pun jntended) to take over I would have been up for another year of Ronaldo magic. But now we need to find the right player to take the club forward. I'm sorry but not Ronaldo.

And no, he is not fitter than every other player. Laughable. He is getting older and it is noticable how he is struggling to keep up with the pace of the game. 2 games a week of 98 mins, no chance.

And in response to passing, yes some nice triangles and possession based football. But also some moments of very strange tapping back and forward doing nothing. Watch Liverpool and City and there is a point to their passing. We almost looked like we were toying with Brentford, and not in a good way. Looked a bit foolish if you ask me.


8.) 04 May 2022 11:31:20
Looking foolish in a 3 nil win? Yet you thought we liked good in defeats when ole was in charge. Seems like you are trying to find ways to justify a ludicrous stance.


9.) 05 May 2022 13:40:38
It seems not haha.


 

 

12 Feb 2022 09:10:28
I read these pages with interest and despite a few poor results recently most posters seem content with the performance or certain aspects of the performance at least. Sometimes improvement isn't always immediately obvious or tangible but I'm convinced that if performances are good results will follow and it's the only formula that leads to consistency. The general consensus seems to be that Rangnick is doing a decent job under difficult circumstances.

I don't necessarily disagree with that accretion but there are a couple of red flags which concern me. Playing Rashford on the RW is completely the wrong decision in my opinion and if he continues to select Harry Maguire then I think we must examine his decisions and credentials more robustly.

Hope you all have a great weekend and let's see what tomorrow brings.

DLIB

1.) 12 Feb 2022 09:35:31
Only by the regulars on this page that are very biased towards Ralf.
If you look and listen to majority of players ex and current and journalist, none of which have affiliation with United so maybe not so biased, none of them are over enamoured with Ralf and what he is doing.

I know some of you thinking that we creating loads of chances and not scoring but remember the teams we have played have virtually all been lowly teams, any decent team will take us apart as did they under Ole.

If we want a mid table place 5-8 then stick with this man, if we want to challenge we have to get rid.

Yes it’s refreshing in his press conferences but that’s naivety from him of only being at low level clubs all his life!

I’m of the route of Enrique or Simeone both winners both managed elite level clubs and players, both can back up with there CVS more importantly will bring in high level coaches, not a man who got the sack from Toronto and never ever coached at this level! And you all said McKenna and Carrick were useless.


2.) 12 Feb 2022 09:39:44
DLIB, under the circumstances I don't think anyone could do a much better job. We need to get to the summer, finish the clear out and start rebuilding. There are a few clear rotten eggs judging by the number of leaked stories coming out.

With a Frankenstein squad of parts made up from multiple different managers, I think it would be difficult to play a really clear progressive style of play while fitting in all our key players.

Rashford being played on the right is an interesting option. Now I know the general consensus is that the right wing isn't his best position, and that may even be backed up with goalscoring stats.

Yet it is a position he played more often than not in the youth teams. He was a RW from age 10-17. So he should be able to play that role.

Also Rangnick isn't the first manager to play him on the right. Both Mourinho and Ole played him there on multiple occasions, which suggests that several managers have seen something from him in training that suggests he might be the better option on the right from what we have.

Rashford is actually quite creative when he wants to be, he has been in out top 3 assisters every year for the past 4 years. Yet on the left his first instinct is to cut in head down and shoot. Many people on here have bemoaned his excessive shooting when others are in better positions.

Maybe playing him on the right means he is more creative which overall might be better for the team.

Sancho while successful on the RW in Germany was always more productive on the left for Dortmund.

As he seemed to be struggling to settle in England maybe it makes more sense to play him in the role he is most comfortable.

I mean we have created what 70 shooting opportunities in the last three games with Rashford on the right and Sancho on the left.

While it was probably more like 35 chances over three games with Rashford left and Sancho right. So maybe there is something in that.

Harry Maguire shouldn't be playing in his current form end of. I'm certain if he wasn't captain he'd be dropped by now. That shouldn't be the case but it is always harder to drop the captain.

Also if dropped would he ever win his place back? I doubt it. While we might not be happy about it, discarding the 80m captain of the side isn't something most managers could do.


3.) 12 Feb 2022 09:42:48
Hasn't Maguire been through necessity rather than choice, Bailly and Lindelof have both had injuries and personal issues to deal with. Phil Jones for all his good performances has been out of the game for 18 months, ahead of him probably being sold in the summer the last thing you need is him picking up a stupid injury.

While performances have been inconsistent still, there is a shift in attitude, the question i would ask is how many of these players will be here next year? Ronaldo, Martial and Pogba could be gone, Greenwood the less said about him the better, AWB has he already left, DDG will be entering the last year of his contract and I think he will go back to Spain, Utd have the option to extend but that would be daft in my opinion.

Hopefully if this summer is a total reset, it will be filled with young, ambitious players, a return to the 95/ 96 season.


4.) 12 Feb 2022 09:49:17
Maybe Rashford could cross it for once and give some service to Ronaldo or Cavani instead of keep shooting from stupid angles. He does it everytime, footballing idiot.


5.) 12 Feb 2022 10:09:55
Holeinone, I was going to take your comment seriously until you thought that Simeone at United was a good idea.


6.) 12 Feb 2022 10:39:59
No one is “biased” towards RR, as Holineinone says. Biased was the sentiment towards Ole, its good we can now assess a manager for what we see. I see a structure to our play emerging, something we have not had in many years and not seen in 3 years under the last incumbent. The first halves of the last two games were encouraging. I don’t expect to see RR stay on beyond summer, as long as the club can get who they want.
I haven’t criticised Maguire until the Burnley game, but frankly he was terrible, embarrassing. RR has had him on the bench before and he needs to go there unless there is improvement today.
Long term I am not as keen as some on Ten Hag, I wonder how he would perform without the full structure he has at Ajax behind him.

Grim, actually I think Simeone would work, there is no doubt his players play for him in a strong tight structure that wins games and he has really got in amongst Barcelona and Real, very tough to do. We have fallen behind the top teams so need someone to push us hard, Simeone is very much the right type to do it.

I think Poch is who the board want, but that’s at the end of the season, he may become available earlier. We shall see.

I keep saying but the main problem at Utd is the structure, Arnold, Murtough, Fletcher, not convinced that above a manager works. Add Phelan still there and it is the same losing formula of the last 9 years. It needs to change regardless of who is in the managers seat.


7.) 12 Feb 2022 11:36:04
Red Man, Simeone's players no doubt play for him, yet to be honest there are few ego's in that Atletico squad, and the few that are there are still hard workers.

I wonder whether he would be able to get the same reaction out of our primadonnas or whether they would just throw him under the bus and stop playing for him like they did with Mourinho in the end (who was another authoritarian manager) . Ultimately unless the board back the manager and ship out the trouble makers no manager will be able to assert any sort of authority as they will be constantly undermined by the club.

We need to clear the decks of the trouble makers and big time Charlies and bring in players with hunger and fight to be the best they can be.

I don't see the point in hiring a defensive style manager who will pick fights with the players if the club will undermine that manager meaning he is destined to fail and we will have to watch park the bus football while it all crumbles again.


8.) 12 Feb 2022 11:38:52
Morning Red, Simeone with our board, car crash waiting to happen.


9.) 12 Feb 2022 13:25:24
Someone says Simeone not managed any ego’s are you crazy…. He managed Diego Costa! That’s 10 ego’s on one…
Falcao, Courtois, Godin, Griezman…. Shall we continue, but what’s more he actually won with them ego’s too.

I’m not saying he would not be a car crash with the board, but no more then Conte would have been and many wanted him!

Ole style today counter attack football….


10.) 12 Feb 2022 15:58:39
Under the circumstances no one could do a better job, what circumstances you have exceptional talent at your disposal a squad of half decent players and you can’t get a tune out of them against lower teams, if that’s the case you need to look at yourself and your staff, it’s ok after each game saying what was wrong how about changing things in game if your so clued up to notice all these points!
No one says we got world beating squad but let’s be fair it ain’t that bad that you can’t beat villa, Boro, Burnley, Southampton stop defending RR and look at it from the outside…. you defended Ole for yonks and then done a 180 same as with Shaw AWB etc you done 180s on them all.
RR is out of his depth even pundits are now realising but usual half a dozen or so won’t have it.
Might as well just stuck with Carrick then taken this route, all it’s done is wasted another season.


11.) 12 Feb 2022 20:40:55
Ten Hag will definitely get the most out of our players. Failing that, I would prefer Amorim, but it might be too early for him. After that, Simione will be a good choice but the football will be dour and dire.


 

 

03 Feb 2022 20:41:01
Can anyone explain the Jessie Lingard situation to me please?

Numerous reports from reputable journalists including Fabrizio Romano (amongst others) suggest Rangnick said he could leave in January yet the "board" (whoever that may be but presumably Woodward, Arnold and Joel Glazer perhaps) blocked the move and now Rangnick grants him "time off" to clear his head!

Greenwood was cited as a seemingly plausible explanation but let's not be naive; if our demands had been met Lingard would have gone.

Without knowing all the facts it would appear that Lingard only wanted a move on loan presumably to keep his options open and get a lucrative signing on fee and contract in the summer. If he really wanted to leave I presume he had permanent options on the table in January which he didn't fancy. I can understand his disappointment but it would appear he engaged in a game of cat and mouse with the Club and now he's not in the right frame of mind to play despite wanting more game time.

His brother posted disparaging tweets, he's posed in a West Ham shirt recently and now he can't play because he has to clear his head. The circus around a player whilst a good servant to the Club has never been quite good enough to hold down a regular first team place is lamentable. Let's not forget he went 18 months without a goal or assist.

I feel sorry for Rangnick in all this, what's he supposed to do with a player that is obviously disappointed he wasn't allowed to leave and is now not in the right frame of mind to play. I can't see any winner in this situation.

This forum was a hive of positivity when Rangnick was appointed and enthused by his consultancy role. I think we already have tangible evidence that much of his advice is already being ignored and the board are still making important footballing decisions despite advice to the contrary.

DLIB

1.) 03 Feb 2022 21:39:00
Chill out mate its not that deep that Lingard is not sold or loaned and I am sure he has his wage every week to help him clear his head and he will be gone by summer aswell.


2.) 03 Feb 2022 21:41:47
I think it's as simple as the board set a minimum set of terms to allow Lingard to leave and those terms were met.

We can argue whether those terms were too high or not, but ultimately this is another example of the player and the manager wanting one thing and the board being unable or unwilling to give the manager and the player what they wanted.

There are rumours and suggestions that it might be out of spite from people annoyed that Lingard will not sign a new deal and enable the club to make money from his exit. I find this unlikely, but if true would be a shocking indictment of how amateurish the club is under our current administration.


3.) 03 Feb 2022 23:09:55
When a player has less than 4 months left on their contract the Club is hardly in the strongest negotiating position. Surely you take what you can get and move on. It makes absolutely no sense to keep a player against his wishes. Especially one that’s not even fundamental to the team.

Lingard’s loan spell at West Ham must be the panacea situation in relation to loans. A player woefully out of form, without a goal or assist in over 18 months, not getting regular game time and of no particular value goes out on loan, performs well beyond anyone’s expectations and his value sky rockets. Surely a competent Club rubs their hands together and takes the £20-25m he was worth considering he’s entering the last year of his contract and his value was probably only half that 4 months previously. But no we keep the player, sit him on the bench, pay all his stupidly inflated wages and let him walk away for free.

This Club is run by amateurs that have presided over a decade of abject failure and will see over £80m worth of talent and the Clubs poster boy walk away for nothing in the summer.

They have left the manager to fight an internal civil war alone with players that don’t want to be a the Club. No one can be successful under these conditions!


4.) 03 Feb 2022 23:15:56
Read Ragnik's comments, he approved him going after Lingard asked to go (not because he didn't want him) . The greenwood problems and lack of offer meeting board level were discussed with Ragnik. Sounds like he was involved.

Now he will get more minutes (the messiah DvdB, Greenwood, Amad all not around) . He asked for a couple of days and then will join back with the squad.

I don't think the narrative you are trying to create around Ralf exists. We are a massive football club. One guy is not going to make all the decisions.


5.) 03 Feb 2022 23:18:39
I don't really think it's a hard one, Utd loaned out 8 players then lost another attacking player unexpectedly. I think we will see a fair bit of Jesse for the remainder of the season.


6.) 03 Feb 2022 23:59:01
Lingard is a 29 year old man child who isn’t that good. Not sure why he’s still there but he is.


7.) 04 Feb 2022 01:05:06
Dodgy - Rangnick hasn’t used Lingard. I think that’s a decent indication that he doesn’t really want him. He’s been in charge for 10 games and started Lingard only once in a dead rubber champions league game against Young Boys. He’s been used off the bench twice, once being in the fa cup against Villa meaning he’s never started a league game and only come off the bench once in the league. Rangnick was happy to let Lingard leave. Lingard wanted to leave, those are surely facts we can all agree on. He didn’t say the Greenwood situation arrived unexpectedly, changed his mind and he then wanted Lingard to stay as we were short of players so he spoke to the board and they all decided to keep him. He clearly said the Club couldn’t agree terms for his departure. If Newcastle had met the Clubs valuation he would have left. That has nothing to do with Greenwood.

Rangnick has not used Lingard, he’s now brought Hannibal into the squad. We have £73m Sancho who will hopefully get more game time in the position he was bought for. Elanga can play on both wings, so can Rashford and we still have Mata.
Donny didn’t play RW, nor did Martial and Diallo barely made the bench never mind the starting 11. Lingard wasn’t not getting game time because of those players.

In my opinion it’s a ridiculous decision which has undermined the manager, further unsettled the player and I don’t think Lingard will get much more game time anyway but we shall see. We might see him come off the bench more often.

It looks like the Club have turned down money for a player that desperately wanted to leave and the manager is unlikely to use for reasons I can’t understand. Shappy suggests it might be vindictive because he won’t sign a new contract but in the light of compelling evidence let’s just pretend it’s because of Greenwood, they actually know what they are doing and run the Club well.


8.) 04 Feb 2022 06:57:47
This Lingard saga is a bit of a non starter for me! The fact he now wants days off to clear his head and we’ve granted it is pathetic! He signed a contract to play for us, shut your mouth, get your head down and honour your contract! Days off Jesus! Same with Cavani, it’s like a holiday camp! Lindelof wanting the week off after a break in, Cancelo played the day after getting a good clout off a couple of thugs, Bailey plays every game in Afcon, comes back and is feeling his ankle! Club is full of over paid wet wipes that need ushering out the door, sick of it! Never hear any such nonsense at other clubs!


9.) 04 Feb 2022 07:26:01
RR also said yesterday Lingard told him 3 weeks ago he wanted to stay.

Could it be that when Newcastle offered a reported 185 k per week and 2 mill bonus for keepng them up (for 5 months work) Insta star and fahion mogul Lingz suddenly remembered his day job is as a footballer?


10.) 04 Feb 2022 07:29:20
Should have just got rid…ralf Said he asked for extra time off now Jesse disputing that fact. Total circus we are, sick and tired of it now. Jesse wanting a break, Edi only interested in Uruguay and us begging players to stay who should be long gone. We put the d in dysfunctional.


 

 

02 Feb 2022 09:49:49
Paul Pogba has been an emotive subject on this forum for a number of years. As his second spell with the Club draws to a end perhaps for the last time we can debate his value to the team.

Despite his inconsistency and the incessant links to other Clubs he probably remains our most talented player and biggest star.

I have no doubt Rangnick will integrate him into the team following his return from injury but he will undoubtedly face the same dilemma as his predecessors; Just how to get the best out of Paul Pogba?!

In Rangnick's 4-3-3 system logic would dictate he slots into a three man midfield probably in his favoured No8 position alongside Bruno and a DM. However with the team looking less than secure defensively and without a specialised DM can this really work?! I think many supporters, myself included have been desperate to see Pogba line up in a three man midfield on a consistent basis. With the acquisition of Bruno the prospect of them operating as two No8's looks a month watering prospect, certainly on paper anyway. Whilst we obviously lack a specialised DM to really wet the appetite we are not pushing for the title. We are not expecting perfection but surely we are capable of playing some decent football and dominating some football matches for a change.

Of course Rangnick may decide Pogba and Bruno are just not defensively compatible. He could conceivably be moved to the LW but perhaps we might just get a glimpse of what could have been in the final few months of the season.

This may seem unsavoury to admit in the light of recent events but I'm
somewhat excited by a more streamlined squad and the prospect of seeing Pogba and Bruno potentially operate in a three man midfield as two No8's.

I also like the prospect of a front 3 of Ronaldo, Rashford and Sancho.

Whether Rangnick is brave enough remains to be seen but despite all the negativity we can still name of lineup including the likes of De Gea, Varane, Pogba, Bruno, Rashford, Sancho and Ronaldo. Not bad, on paper anyway.

DLIB

1.) 02 Feb 2022 10:14:00
Good post DLIB but i can't even be bothered discussing Paul Pogba anymore. I just want him and his circus out of the club.
Enough is enough!


2.) 02 Feb 2022 10:45:31
Ha ha ha ha ha I can relate to that Sim we have been here many times before mate! I’d just like to see him in a midfield 3 playing as a No8 next to Bruno before he leaves!


3.) 02 Feb 2022 11:59:09
I think having two "free" 8's only works when they are hard working and defensively diligent, or when you are going to dominate the game with 60%+ possession.

I'm not sure even with a top class CDM (which we haven't got) that having Pogba and Bruno as No.8's is viable. Certainly not from a defensive view point.

Both Pogba and Bruno do their best work when they aren't given much of a defensive burden and they can focus on finding pockets of space to receive the ball and play it forward.

I see trying to fit them into a side as a similar issue as England had trying to crowbar both Lampard and Gerrard into the national side. Similar players who want to play in the same area of the pitch doing the same role.

It imbalances the side and stops either from playing to their full potential.


4.) 02 Feb 2022 11:59:43
According to reports today the club are asking pogba, DVB and martial to delay decisions on their futures until the summer. Why are we allowing pogba to decide his own fate? Embarrassing! No wonder the clubs a mess, the players have all the power.


5.) 02 Feb 2022 12:02:56
Pogrubbish is the most overated player we have had ever!

Hes approaching 29 and done absolute nothing to ever be considered a world class player.

Darren gibson did more ?

Be glad when the soap opera of pogba has ended.


6.) 02 Feb 2022 13:08:55
I dunno Bolger.
Pogba can be brilliant 'on his day' - I know it's an overused expression but he's had a very few of those with us. 4 assists in one game not so long ago, pre-injury.
Alexi Sanchez however. absolutely abysmal for us. And I love the guy, thought he was one of the best in the league up until he joined us. I can't remember him doing a single thing except missing a penalty.


7.) 02 Feb 2022 13:11:55
He is injury prone too. I wouldn't count on him.


8.) 02 Feb 2022 13:17:34
Pogba is a Rolls Royce of a player. Glides around, looks amazing and in highlights is awesome. Sadly in reality, completely impractical and expensive.

I quite like Pogba truth be told - he’s just in the wrong team and league.


9.) 02 Feb 2022 13:17:48
Shappy - I don’t think there is any doubt Rangnick is going to use Pogba once he returns from injury. That being the case where does he play and in your opinion what’s our best 11 and formation!


10.) 02 Feb 2022 14:08:16
DLIB, therein lies the problem, the issue every United manager has had since Sir Alex.

The issue of trying to fit all of the "best" players on the pitch at the same time.

With a squad made up of players from 5 different managers, who all had their own style, it's impossible to pick ALL our best players in one formation without there being serious flaws in the side.

Pogba and Bruno both ideally play the same role in the same area of the pitch.

Rashford and Ronaldo both want to drift out left and cut back in on their favoured right foot and shoot.

Do you pick Ronaldo for his individual brilliance, or Cavani who offers more to the team.

DDG is our best keeper, yet he cannot play out from the back, nor can he reliably come off his line to sweep enabling the side to play a high line.

Varane and Jones are our two best CB's, yet both have struggled to stay fit meaning the back line needs constant chopping and changing.

At full back it's difficult to tell who should be playing as there is no clear better player.

AWB better defensively (or at least that's the perception), while Dalot is better on the ball and going forward.

While at LB Shaw and Telles seems pretty similar, both better going forward than defending. Telles is better at overlapping, Shaw at underlapping or playing as an inverted full back.

Our midfield options are functional at best. But we have no true holding midfielder.

Where do we play Sancho, our 75m signing, to get the best out of him? Logic says with MG missing probably the rest of the season at least, then he should start on the right hand side.

Where does Elanga fit in? In the last couple of games he's been our brightest spark in attack. Should he start ahead of one of Ronaldo, Cavani, Rashford or Sancho? If so who and where?

There are far more questions than answers, and in truth how we should line up will depend on who is available and what form they are in.

We have no way of creating or playing our own style as we have too many holes in the squad to have a distinct style. We will have to be pragmatic and adjust to the opposition on a game by game basis. Or we pick a distinct style and try and play it every week, regardless of the clear flaws we will have in that style and we accept that our results and performances will fluctuate wildly between now and the summer when we can start to mould the squad to that new style and plug the holes.


11.) 02 Feb 2022 14:28:37
We should of just done what Barcelona did to Dembele.
If you don't sign the extension go and find a new club and if you don't find a new club you can sit in the stands for the remainder of the season.
I honesty cannot stand the bloke, he's treated United like a piece of rubbish for 5 seasons whilst earning 300-350 grand a week.


12.) 02 Feb 2022 15:01:46
Pogba is a luxury player in a team that needed anything but. Hopefully he will find a place that can showcase his talent.


13.) 02 Feb 2022 15:19:27
I'd like Pogba used further up the field where is lack of defensive qualities are not going to be exposed. No one should play every game.

I think you could perm decent teams from:

Pogba/ Sancho/ Rashford/ Ronaldo/ Cavani/ Elanga

Bruno/ McTom/ Fred/ Matic/ Younger player

Dalot/ AWB/ Varane/ Jones/ Bailly/ Lindelof/ Shaw/ Telles

You just never know. A pared down squad may make for more certainty and better teamwork.


14.) 02 Feb 2022 15:39:05
The only coach who could get bruno and pogba in a midfield 3 with a lone DM behind them is Pep.

Also this lone DM would probably have to be Superman given the ground and space he'd have to cover.

It just wouldn't work in my opinion but both are really good players no doubt.

Dont get really get the animosity he gets personally on here, very odd behaviour and stinks of a media driven agenda against him.


15.) 02 Feb 2022 15:48:39
Shappy - I’m not sure if I agree with all of that pal. Of course its a plausible argument to suggest our problems stem from several different managers assembling different players but in my opinion that’s a bit of a red herring, especially as we still don’t know how much control or say our manager (s) have in terms of recruitment. Chelsea don’t seem to suffer from having players assembled by different managers. They are not a Club who recruit to a prescribed style nor do they appoint similar managers with similar styles or ideology. Chelsea’s last 5 permanent managers are Jose, Conte, Sarri, Lampard and Touchel. All have differing philosophy’s, styles, used different formations yet they have won two league titles, the fa cup, the league cup, Europa League and Champions League under those managers all since 2015, with the honours spread pretty evenly amongst them.

I think it’s fairer to say our recruitment has been poor with a lot of players simply not good enough bought well above market value and given ridiculously lucrative contracts. Whilst our recruitment is poor we are also terrible at selling players. We have average players, some who rarely play on eye watering salaries and have been at the Club for far too long. We reward mediocrity with ridiculous contracts in order to safeguard value but fail to understand that if players don’t play or perform their value plummets regardless of length of contract. Call me cynical but I think we keep players at the Club so we don’t have to buy replacements which is a massive problem. Jones, Bailly, Matic, Mata, Lingard to name but a few have all been at the Club for years, earning handsome salaries without ever playing regular football. It’s cheaper to reward ageing players with new contracts than to buy replacements. We recruit poorly and are even worse at selling players, that’s how things become stagnant and we end up with an imbalanced squad. Some of our recruitment is definitely brand driven which is also a big problem and has often meant we have retained players when perhaps their value to the brand is more important than their value to the team. The name Paul Pogba springs to mind.

I also don’t prescribe to the theory that elite footballers can’t play different styles of football. We have better players than Brighton for example yet they manage to play a better brand of football. Like I said I’m not taking about winning the title merely playing some decent football for the rest of the season. In my opinion this group of players (whilst far from outstanding) is surely capable of more than pragmatic football and adjusting to the opposition every week like you’ve suggested. A midfield of Pogba and Bruno might not be balanced enough to win a title or the champions league but I’m only taking about playing some decent football, finishing 4th and god forbid winning the fa cup. Hardly lofty aspirations for supposedly one of the biggest Clubs in the world.


16.) 02 Feb 2022 16:36:37
A team with Pogba, Bruno and Ronaldo in it would get torn apart when without the ball. With the ball, there might be the odd flash of brilliance. It would just need to come before going 3-0 down!


17.) 03 Feb 2022 01:02:06
I watched a YouTube video by tifo discussing end Woodwards tenor. They argued pogba was one of the worst signings ever giver his price tag, salary, injury record, consistency and leaving on a free.


 

 

22 Jan 2022 10:53:33
I saw a documentary recently on Brian Clough where one of his ex players stated he insisted on hard work. His philosophy was simple, if you work hard, you have a good chance of playing well and if you play well you have a good chance of winning football matches. When you win football matches you enjoy yourself and everyone is happy.

There has been accusations for some time at Utd that a lot of our players have demonstrated a poor attitude and have on occasions let themselves down by not working hard enough or at the very least not taking certain games seriously and grossly underestimating the opposition. Call this arrogance, over confidence or over inflated egos these traits have become synonymous with a lot of players at our Club.

What struck me most from the documentary is that football is a team game. Talk about stating the bloody obvious but at Utd I can't help thinking there has been a gradual shift away from the team towards the individual. In a good team all the players fully understand their role and responsibilities. They are prepared to work hard and sacrifice themselves for their team mates. They understand that they can't succeed without each other. We've seen numerous examples at Utd of wide men not tracking back and helping their full back. Midfield players charging forward yet jogging back. Players leaving other players exposed or not offering themselves as passing options. Players playing for themselves and not the team.

A sense of selfishness and individualism has engulfed the Club. In many ways off field values are now manifested on the pitch and we shouldn't be surprised by this. Brand Utd has infiltrated the playing squad. Players like Pogba, Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Sancho Ronaldo amongst others are not just footballers but brands. They immediately get unsettled if they can't have a certain shirt number, hand in transfer requests or complain if they don't get picked. They play for themselves and not the team. They are more concerned with damage to their brand by not having a certain number than winning football matches.

There is an argument to be made that in modern football especially at Utd success doesn't necessarily mean trophies. In a Club like Utd where brand is king and perception everything players can increase their social media interactions and help the Club maximise its sponsorship and revenue possibility's in a mutually exclusive game that has little to do with football.

Maybe success at Utd is now measured differently by not just the Club but the players as well.

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1.) 22 Jan 2022 18:52:11
The blame has to be laid with Ed Woodward, he wanted the galaticos signings, he said social media was a big factor in players when we tried to sign them.
Maybe if he looked for players for who social media wasn't such a big factor and players who were more interested in playing football for the club than number of clicks they would generate, then maybe we would not be the football version of Love Island that we currently are.


2.) 22 Jan 2022 18:59:40
I’m afraid it’s sign of the times, it’s 2022 social media plays a huge part in everyday life and making millions €€€ from … Not that I agree with it but that is today world take Ronaldo he can make more money from this then huge salary, it’s not just at United it’s all over world and will only get worse, Liverpool great team but Salah now want reportedly 400k per week plus more publicity more followers on social media.

The Great Clough never had this to contend with!


3.) 22 Jan 2022 19:18:02
Teamwork and hard work should be givens, but Clough and Taylor also had a great knack of buying and selling players at the right time. It's an essential aspect for staying at the top for an extended period of time, especially with a limited budget.


4.) 23 Jan 2022 07:57:05
I watched City v Southampton. yes City ended up drawing but the workrate they put in was phenomenal. I've not seen Utd do this for a long time.

Some of the criticisms of this squad do ring true they seem a lazy bunch. teams like City, Chelsea and Liverpool have players that rather than remain static when in possession they actually move forward to make themselves available for a pass and when that pass is made it's accurate and in front of them. Utd players have this curious habit of putting passes to their teammates behind them so the player receiving it has to check their momentum to gather the ball. I don't know who's coaching this into them. Utd constantly lose the impetus doing this. it also makes it easier for the opposition to turn over possession.

Back to topic though this squad has got to learn that nothing will be won without a hell of a lot more industry and endeavour.


 

 

 

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06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.

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03 Sep 2020 12:36:10
Was Donny VDB not also touted as a Pogba replacement?

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25 Aug 2020 19:43:57
Well Pep can't win the Champions League without him!

I'd be amazed if he left Barcelona but at 33 maybe now is the time for a new challenge! I hope he moves would love to see him at another Club.

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22 Aug 2020 21:05:00
Gifting ageing players big long term contracts is a recipe for disaster.

He might be worth a gamble on loan or a rolling one year contract but otherwise we should steer well clear in my opinion. His form hasn't been anywhere near good enough to warrant signing him on a long term deal and as he ages it's unlikely to improve. A move like this would reek of desperation and a return to the flawed transfer strategy of the past. I'd include Douglas Costa in that bracket and we must resist the temptation to get lured into these types of deals.

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04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!

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08 May 2022 18:59:01
Perfectly said Red Man.

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08 May 2022 18:15:32
The Youth Cup has no value?! You obviously don’t understand the traditions of our Club. Tell that to the young players or the 60 000 watching them play on Wednesday night.

There young lads need to be protected, nurtured and developed not thrown to the wolves in a toxic dressing that only care about self preservation.

Hopefully they win the cup and show the charlatans in the first team we’ve got some proper talent ready to take their place when the time is right.

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07 May 2022 14:28:48
Understandable?! Who actually signs the players at Manchester United?! It’s clearly an excuse peddled by the Club for not investing in the team.
They wrote the season off in November. They appointed an interim manager to clear up Ole’s mess and gave him absolutely no help. They even forced him to keep players he was happy to let go. Perpetuating the toxic culture at the Club and losing money in the process. The inmates are definitely running the asylum. Good luck EtH trying to get any sense out of this lot. Logic disappeared from the corridors of Old Trafford a long time ago.

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03 May 2022 19:07:13
Dodgy - I call aimless passing two centre half’s passing the ball between themselves, I don’t think we saw that yesterday. Matic played some lovely incisive passes through the lines and Mata was always on the move creating angles to receive and recycle the ball. When any team looks to dominate the ball and keep possession there will always be some backwards and sideways passing.

I think maybe you’ve missed my point of course the team won’t be built around Matic, Mata and Ronaldo but I was referring to the way we approached the game. We had more numbers in midfield and retained the ball much better. We saw rotation, movement, triangles, players playing closer together and supporting each other, wanting the ball and looking after it. For periods we looked less like a pub team and more like a professional outfit that knew what they were doing.

Under EtH I think we’ll target players that are more comfortable in possession and play with intelligence. I don’t think we’ll see players running up blind ally’s or shooting from ridiculous positions. I don’t think we’ll
see constant Hollywood type passes but we’ll play with more patience and control. My fear is some supporters will label it aimless and boring and if we have a run of bad results will soon put pressure on the manager.

I think there is enough evidence to suggest that if we can get players in support of Ronaldo and provide him with chances he’ll score a bucket load of goals even if he’s out of breath. Take him out of that dressing room and its littered with over paid, egotistical, trash that have won absolutely nothing.

I fear Utd has become a destination for some players whereby just playing for the Club on massive wages and huge social media following is actually considered success even without the trophies. Ed Woodward called it Disney Land!

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25 Apr 2022 15:53:06
Fans are not booing because of poor performances but lack of effort.

People died representing this football Club, young lives lost, cut short in their prime, pioneers, expanding the game to foreign lands for the love of the game. In spite of such tragedy the Club rose to the pinnacle of the game in an immortal tribute to those lost at Munich.

These charlatans earn millions and refuse to run around for 90 minutes. They need a lesson in humility and reminding of what a miraculous Club they represent. If a few boos hurt their feelings there are others Clubs out there that might tolerate such cowardly behaviour.

This booing isn’t toxic or abusive merely a reminder to the players of the history and standards of this football Club and whilst bad performances are forgivable a lack of effort is not.

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