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04 Nov 2019 10:52:39
I said at the start of the season that any success this year would be built on our ability to keep clean sheets and I was ridiculed in some quarters.

I didn't say this to be dramatic but because it was obvious. We'd sold our only proven goal scorer and did not replace him, any sensible person could see that there was a worrying lack goals in our team. On top of losing Lukaku and not replacing him we didn't even sign a No10 or RW, just where we're our goals going to come from? Even if Rashford and Martial had successful seasons it was highly unlikely either would breach the 20 goals mark and if both got 15 it would represent a significant improvement.

If defence we invested heavily in Maguire, AWB and made De Gea one of the best paid goalkeepers in football history. Our defence simply had to perform and whilst improvements have been made there is still a vulnerability to our play and we've not been able to keep clean sheets. Shut outs against Wolves, Southampton, Arsenal and Liverpool all games where we were leading and seemingly in control would have seen us 8 points better off.

Whilst I try not to blame individuals I feel Lindelof is one of the most over rated players to ever grace our hallowed turf. Maguire gets constant stick, many didn't even want him at the Club yet Lindelof has been making horrendous mistakes since he made his debut nearly 3 years ago.

Lindelof is now an experienced international and entering his third year at the Club. He is now one of the senior players in our squad yet he still continues to make massive mistakes and simply can't cope with the physicality of the premier league. Many have criticised and blamed AWB for the goal against Bournemouth but just look at Lindelof's role. I must confess AWB was poor but just watch Lindelof! He gambles anticipating a pass and leaves the massive hole where King scores the goal. If he just holds his position there is no chance King scores the goal and he was perfectly placed to block the shot if King decided to lay the ball off.

On the stroke of HT, in difficult conditions, in a team that has struggled for goals we need leaders and warriors in defence with a determination and resolve not to concede goals and put their body on the line. It's about recognising important moments in the game, switching on and concentrating. All players make mistakes but Lindelof continues to make simple, goal conceding mistakes on a regular basis. Lindelof is a nice player but does he have the determination and steel required to play in the premier league. Is he really any better than Daly Blind for example who has been brilliant for Ajax in a less physically demanding league?

In my opinion Tuanzebe must replace him asap and even Rojo has that steel and determination to defend and put his body on the line. If someone like Barcelona are prepared to pay over £50m for him I'd snatch their hand off. I'm not saying he's a bad player I'm just not convinced he's right for the premier league and certainly not in a struggling team.

DLIB

1.) 04 Nov 2019 11:41:11
Oh it is Lindelof's turn this week?


2.) 04 Nov 2019 11:52:52
Should of sold him to Barcelona if the supposed rumours were true. I highly doubt it though probably his agent putting it out there and old wooden top fell for it hook line and sinker and gave a new improved contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2019 12:23:53
Tell us who you were happy with this week gds2 Instead of jumping on posters when they post their views.


4.) 04 Nov 2019 12:32:22
There are two key defensive issues.

First, we have no defensive leader organising things. Saturday was illustrative of this - Lindelof gets sucked out of position leaving Wilson free, Maguire follows Wilson’s run to the front post leaving King free, AWB tries to cover King and makes a mess of things. AWB has one full year of playing as a defender. He’s going to make mistakes, so the cbs need to make sure that he isn’t isolated against a striker. Both Lindelof and Maguire are guilty here because neither is leading the line.

Second, our lack of consistent goal threat is putting the defence under even more pressure. They play with the knowledge that one mistake could result in defeat, and this ramps up the nerves. AWB, Lindelof and Maguire all have the potential to be good defenders. But they can’t be expected to play at their best when the attack is misfiring. It doesn’t matter how good your own defence is if you can’t unlock the opponent’s defence.

What I see is a nervy backline that’s feeling the pressure, and struggling to command authority. I don’t see this changing until we offer an attacking outlet to take the pressure off.


5.) 04 Nov 2019 12:42:21
Ken, the only player who deserved any credit and was our best player was Brandon Williams and he played 10 minutes, says it all really. Fair criticism of Lindelof DLIB.


6.) 04 Nov 2019 13:16:14
Lollllllllllllllll.


7.) 04 Nov 2019 13:53:58
Sadly I have to agree, lindelof is the weak link this season in defence. No longer the iceman, more like the lukewarm man.


8.) 04 Nov 2019 13:54:46
I still think he'd be a better defensive midfielder.


9.) 04 Nov 2019 14:07:33
Really its a bit glum when people can't even make a point without being jumped on like that.
Post something positive gds2 instead.
Tell us what you liked about the weekends game.
Tell us what impressed you.
Tell us how is only a blip or down to injuries or blah blah blah. whatever you believe and think.
Then let others post what they like. That's how it works.
Simple's.


10.) 04 Nov 2019 14:37:07
GDS2 - it's been Lindelof's fault a number of weeks I've just tried to remain patient with him. I've had my say because AWB is a young player who's been brilliant for us this season. If Lindelof holds his position King does not score. Where was the support for his teammate who was obviously out of position in a absolutely crucial part of the game just before HT. The bloke doesn't like defending and in a struggling Utd team it must be all hands on deck. Other players have been criticised so has the manager and I think Lindelof has been consistently poor.

He has been a poor acquisition not suited to the Premier League and he keeps making mistakes and costing us goals. Luckily it's an area of the pitch where Ole has real options and I think he needs to make a change. I have nothing against the player I just wouldn't trust him in physical encounters especially away from home.


11.) 04 Nov 2019 15:23:52
Do you promise you've nothing against him Dlib. you better swear on the holy bible in order that gds2 doesn't get you suspended from the 'super supporters club'


12.) 04 Nov 2019 16:13:45
I just don't think he's a particularly good defender Ken. Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Bailly and even Maguire have all been vilified yet Lindelof continues to make important individual mistakes on a regular basis yet many still rate him. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion but after an awful start to his Utd career he enjoyed some promising games last season and I was hoping for much better, I'm just very disappointed with him. He gets bullied physically far to often and he's simply not good enough in the air in my opinion. I thought Maguire might have helped him but he seems to get targeted even more now and teams are regularly exploiting his weaknesses.


13.) 04 Nov 2019 16:44:00
I feel the same about martial dlib. I'd sell him in the morning for the best offer. Awful player.


14.) 04 Nov 2019 17:18:20
Yeah I know what you mean Ken both are nice players, talented but there's something missing. Do they have that drive and determination? Do they sacrifice themselves enough for the team? Do they really care enough? I'm not sure!


15.) 04 Nov 2019 18:10:22
Yep we have a few players like some of our fans. Play when your winning and disappear when your losing.


16.) 04 Nov 2019 19:50:55
I only had a few minutes so posted that in jest earlier, feel like that bite from Ken was worth it though, wow hilarious, chill out and get off your high horse Ken you aren’t the posting police.

Once again a post with a number of thumbs up picked on by someone, this place is great sometimes.

I think he’s been poor too, at the start of the season we had an amazing back 4 and shaw was the weak link apparently, now it’s Lindelof.


17.) 04 Nov 2019 20:24:48
Give Lindelof a break. He plays brilliantly for his national team. He has been trying to forge partnerships with too many different partners whilst relatively new to the league. Smalling Jones Rojo Bailly Tuanzabe Maguire. In addition he has not had a consistent relationship with either of his full backs. When we have a settled team defensively and just as importantly a decent midfield then judge him.


18.) 05 Nov 2019 05:03:44
DLIB. I agree that Lindelof has to develop a nasty side in him.
However, he is a talented defender and his partnership with Maguire will improve as they play more games together.


19.) 05 Nov 2019 11:58:58
Young at left back has been caught out of position several times and caused all sorts of problems for the back 4. Lindelof has had a bit of poor form at the same time. Wan Bissaca has been covering across the line, which tells you he is nervous and doesn't trust the CBs, Nd also means he is not able to stop crosses from his side.

I hope they can make this click. Shaw or Brandon need to play left back. But Lindelof and Tuanzebe will push each other for CB next to Maguire.


20.) 05 Nov 2019 15:11:42
Lindelof has cost us points, are targeted weakness and has literally lost us games with his mistakes.

Worse than Jones.


21.) 05 Nov 2019 16:51:31
@Dlib. Having a good keeper and a good defence is not enough. Brandon Rogers earlier this week said that Leicester are not missing Maguire because they defend with 11 players.
At the moment we are not doing that properly.


 

 

02 Nov 2019 17:24:42
Whenever I plead for a bit of patience our boys throw me under the bus!

I've had enough Ole Out!

Ps - I'm leaving 🤣.

DLIB

{Ed047's Note - with or without a party? 😂


1.) 02 Nov 2019 17:32:08
Leaving DLIB? With or without Ole 😂😂😂.


2.) 02 Nov 2019 17:35:04
Ed, all the places to have a leaving party are booked up for the foreseeable future.

{Ed047's Note - typical, a rush on just when you don’t need it!😂


3.) 02 Nov 2019 17:35:59
Ed047 - I've booked the phone box at the end of the street your more than welcome to attend I'm sure they'll be plenty of room. To lighten the mood I thought we could talk about Brexit!

{Ed047's Note - I’ll be there mate, I literally can’t wait! 😩


4.) 02 Nov 2019 18:01:31
Ed047 - I can't wait just don't tell Red Man he'll only gloat 🤣

In all seriousness I can't defend that today it simply wasn't good enough sometimes we play the game like we've got all the time in the world. No tempo with too many pointless backwards and sideways passes. The game looks under control but then we make stupid individual mistakes and put ourselves under pressure. We saw exactly the same under LVG and Mourinho, it's a mentality problem in my opinion a lot of players think they can have a day off against the smaller Clubs and don't work hard enough. They can't deal with these games mentally or cope with the fact that everybody still wants to beat Utd and raises their games. They actually need to work harder in these games not have a day off. Fun party hey 🤣.

{Ed047's Note - mums the word mate, he’ll hear nothing from me!

I think it’s the quality of the squad DLIB, it’s so far away from the days when literally everyone feared you and the little clubs and some of the big ones would be happy to escape with a point.

Now everyone thinks they can help themselves to all 3.


5.) 02 Nov 2019 18:19:00
I was watching but the stream kicked out around 43 mins. Judging by the comments on here I might not bother watching the rest 🤣.


6.) 02 Nov 2019 19:55:35
Great Post DLIB, that is exactly the problem. We are like Roy jones/ Mike tyson when they were past it, still a big name that people raise their game against, but a force in name only.


 

 

28 Oct 2019 04:19:29
How refreshing it was to see a Utd team play with some attacking intent and imagination for a change.

The pace, movement and interplay between Rashford, Martial and James was promising and hopefully provided a glimpse of the future.

Whilst talk of recovery is premature we now have a run of fixtures of very winnable games and if we can keep key men fit we might just begin to see some evidence of this teams potential.

Ole has been besieged by injuries which have undoubtedly hindered our progression however our squad in clearly threadbare and unable to compete when key men are absent.

This team now needs to find some rhythm and consistency over the next few weeks and hopefully with some diligent and intelligent recruitment in January we can look forward to witnessing some better results and performances.

It's been a terrible start but this team does have potential and is capable of playing some decent stuff on occasion. Avoiding more injuries and keeping key men fit will be the difference between a mid table finish or a top 4 challenge. A run of good form now will see us shoot up the table and hopefully our season isn't dead just yet. Having said that I could be tearing my hair out again by next weekend I suppose we just don't know which Utd will turn up. At least we have something to feel optimistic about for a few days anyway and it's nice to be able to watch MOTD for a change.

DLIB

{Ed047's Note - you guys have said pretty much this after every win, but to be fair you did best the mighty Norwich. 😉


1.) 28 Oct 2019 06:18:52
I know Ed I keep asking myself when will I ever learn? Underestimate Norwich at your peril 😉.

{Ed047's Note - exactly! 😂 which ever way you look at it though, it’s 3 points and a move up the table. 👍🏼


2.) 28 Oct 2019 09:28:53
There were positives for sure and Martial's presence is definitely felt, the team felt a little flat again when he was subbed.

I do get annoyed though when the team just seem to give up and attempt to pass the ball around the back instead of maintaining pressure. That Norwich goal would never have happened if they were still on the offensive. I don't grasp why Young, after around the 60 minute mark, never seems to want to get forward. I mean, Norwich had three injured players on the pitch in the last 15 minutes, yet they dominated, that is worrying.


3.) 28 Oct 2019 09:56:59
After every win?

It’s our first league away win for 8 months so I think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic but wary that there will be a lot more bumps in the road with this squad.


4.) 28 Oct 2019 09:58:29
I'm not sure it was such a good performance to be honest.

A big improvement on the recent state of things but a solid 6.5-7/ 10. Penalty misses are a pathetic and highlight the lack of concentration in the team.


5.) 28 Oct 2019 10:05:08
I think Martial adds a constant goal scoring threat to our side. When he plays he doesn't drop deep for the ball or go looking for it, he stays high and on the shoulder of the defender waiting for that chance. He is a true striker.

Rashford however likes to be involved more in the build up, so when he plays he often drops deep looking for the ball which restricts our space vertically and blunts our attack.

Rashford, James and even Andreas Pereira hugely benefited yesterday because of Martials positioning and all had more space to play and move in because of that.


6.) 28 Oct 2019 11:51:03
It was a good performance without being phenomenal. Funny though, had we scored those penalties and won 5-1 it certainly would feel like a much better performance when in fact the only difference would have been the precision of two kicks of the ball.

I think the penalty misses highlight the fragile confidence of the side and shows that recent results might be weighing heavily on the players. On the back of 7 or 8 wins both penalties would have probably been scored. This shows the importance of getting a run of results together now. We have a tough game against Chelsea next but the 4 games after look on paper very winnable.


7.) 29 Oct 2019 09:20:40
It was an encouraging performance.
Let's hope for a good run.


 

 

06 Oct 2019 22:00:17
Anyone out there with a time machine who can take me back to 1999 please I don't think I like 2019!

I need to go back to a time when I went on lads holidays to Falaraki, we had a midfield of Giggs, Keane, Scholes and Beckham and I had a full head of hair! I miss those days!

DLIB

1.) 06 Oct 2019 23:36:19
In 1999 we all believed we'd win every match. now I struggle to even watch a match. even with the dire football from jose, I would of expected to beat bloody Newcastle.


2.) 07 Oct 2019 08:20:01
I was born in 1999, I'm now 20, and I'm starting to lose my hair. Hopefully if we get some form back it'll start regrowing.


3.) 07 Oct 2019 10:39:43
Where are the people who were all positive before the start? Calling out the ones who were pointing out the issues with the squad and the depth of squad. I think reality struck really hard at them. :P.


4.) 07 Oct 2019 11:29:47
Becks - If that's aimed at me pal I always maintained I believed Ole was in danger of building too quickly. I warned about the likely impact of losing the likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez on top of Herrera and Fellaini when everybody was clamouring for them to be sold.

I insisted the Club was never going to spend the money needed to replace those players on top of recruiting another CB, RB and RW. Thankfully we kept hold of Pogba because despite his perceived attitude problems without him we are completely devoid of quality and creativity in midfield.

This needed to be a slow and methodical re build. In trying to re set the culture of the dressing room (what ever that means) and reassessing our recruitment policy Ole also had to keep one eye on the present or he wouldn't last long enough to compete the re-build. I wrote all this at the start of the summer.

Ole gambled on the likes of Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Lingard and even Pereria to perform more consistently and supply the creativity and goals to take this team forward but so far they've not delivered.

I wrote a post a few weeks ago about there being a worrying lack of goals in our squad and if you take an money ball approach to the issue the problem was both obvious and alarming.

Ole made those decisions and he didn't/ couldn't persuade the Club to invest enough money to cover those shortcomings. Long term injuries to the likes of Martial, Pogba and even Shaw have hampered his hand but the players he gambled on such as Rashford, Lingard, Pereria and even Lindelof to some extent simply haven't delivered for him.

At the end of the day Ole will be judged by his decisions and his ability to find a formation and style of play to get the best out of the players he placed so much faith in. I can't defend our performances and Ole will need to turn this around quickly if he is to survive. I still maintain that if Ole can get key men back from injury and keep them fit this team is capable of putting a run of results together.

Our immediate future looks bleak but in football things can change very quickly. Ole needs to re galvanise this squad and maybe the Liverpool game has come just at the right time.


5.) 07 Oct 2019 12:19:15
Not aimed at you mate :) Good post.


 

 

23 Sep 2019 11:41:01
{Ed's Note - DLIB has posted a new article entitled, Either We Believe In Ole As Manchester United Manager Or We Don't

DLIB

1.) 23 Sep 2019 13:05:38
"Many won't want to hear this but I believe any success this season will come from our ability to keep clear sheets and the free flowing attacking football will have to wait. For the first time in years we appear to have direction and a coherent plan and strategy. "

I am sure i read this wrong so please explain this to me. If the above is true, then why was Jose fired in the first place? Name me one manager who can keep clean sheets using the above mentioned strategy better than Jose Mourinho.

You say fans don't believe in Ole and they need a manager with a CV. Do the players believe in this manager? If you were a player, would you look to sign for a club that is managed by Ole Who? You want to sign Maddisson and Sancho but do they want to play for Ole? Who is Ole the manager?

If you say that yes the players believe in Ole then all you need to do is go back in time and see when did we drop off in our results (forget performances because those were crap after Ole's first 3 games) . It was precisely the time when Ole was made permanent. So, if the players believed in Ole then the results should have been better but we have lost more games than we have won over that period.


2.) 23 Sep 2019 13:07:53
I’m sorry, but what is the clear and coherent direction?

Off the pitch, we know that the club made a mess of the transfer window.

Fernandes wasn’t signed due to amateur behaviour.
Herrera, who Ole described as a key player, wasn’t replaced.
A rw wasn’t looked at despite having zero players for that position.
We sold our highest scoring striker without giving us any chance to replace.
We put a ridiculous price on Pogba, and dicked about his potential replacement.
Gave Mata, who you regard as dead weight, a new contract.
And didn’t bring in a DOF/ SD, or make any change to our recruitment team and structures.

On the pitch, you’re saying that the goal should be to rely on defensive strength to grind out victories.

A. Our defence isn’t that great.
B. Isn’t this one of the reasons Jose was sacked? Is he not the master of carving out these type of results?

I don’t see any coherent plan or philosophy to Ole’s football. If anything, the longer he has had, the worse we have played. The problem is, I don’t even trust the club to bring in the right manager when they get rid of him.

My view is that Ole will be sacked before the season is out. He will be the fall guy for all the systemic issues the club refuses to address. But he is a willing fall guy.

Like I said to Tony yesterday, patience is fine, but it needs to be balanced with genuine improvement on the pitch. The likes of Maddison and Sancho won’t sign if we continue our recent form. Why would they? We’re a step down from Dortmund, and these players will have options if they’re made available.

The club made a massive mistake appointing Ole when they did. The second half of last season should have been spent planning and identifying the right people to overhaul our failing club. They didn’t, and we’ll be back in a similar position by next summer, slipping further and further away from City and Liverpool.


3.) 23 Sep 2019 13:55:55
Unless our club's structure is fixed, we will just be stuck in mediocracy.

It really saddens me because we don't have a genuine proven striker.
Our main striker Martial, a 21 year old player with an attitude problem and another 21 year old in Rash who is hugely inconsistent.

We are now relying on another 21 year old James who is playing his first season in EPL. Another one is Greenwood.
Too much burden on these youngsters imo.

Our best midfielder is Mctominay who has 22 starts under his belt.
Sums up our recruitment.

There is a huge improvement in defence. But is that enough?


4.) 23 Sep 2019 14:03:49
Danny, what a post that was!


5.) 23 Sep 2019 14:39:53
its all well keeping clean sheets.

by the way we have kept 3 in 7 games. all 3 at home we haven't managed to score more than 1 goal in our last 6 in all competitions


keeping clean sheets doesn't win you games scoring goals does.

which is what we won't do.


we have arsenal newcastle liverpool and Norwich next, can you really see us winning any of these games? we don't win at least 2/ 3 of these games OLE will get the chop and we will be sitting near the bottom 3 wondering wtf is going on.


6.) 23 Sep 2019 14:50:04
Football has become a world of panic and over reaction. It's easy to criticise that shower of rubbish yesterday but harder to identify the cause or find a solution.

I think most agree our squad was littered with mercenaries and mediocrity and replacing them all during one window was never going to happen.

The long term aim must be to return us to the top and not just the perceived comfort of the top 4. Like I've said in previous posts finishing 4th is not success so why do we all crave a top 4 finish?

Surely nobody is mourning the loss of Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini, Smalling, Darmian or even Herrera. Many of these players were symptomatic of the problems at the Club.

It is my belief that Ole wanted to cleanse the squad of such players and look to recruit a different type of player. I think Ole recognises that the best teams are built from solid foundations therefore he signed a CB and RB to try and give the team a platform to play.

Ole is no fool and of course he will have wanted replacements for Herrera, Sanchez and Lukaku but money doesn't grow on trees . The attacking players we need will cost millions and that amount of expenditure was just not feasible over one window even for a Club with deep pockets like Utd. Ole obviously prioritised other areas of the pitch hoping the likes of Rashford, Martial, Pogba and even Lingard could carry the creative and goal scoring burden.

It is my belief that if the correct players can be signed at No10 and RW this team will look a lot different and be in a much better position to challenge moving forward.

I think Ole's three signings have arguably been our best players. I think he needs time to cleanse and manipulate the squad.

I believe he's trying to do the right things and he deserves some time and patience. He's suffered key injuries to Pogba and Martial and I think Lindelof has let him down with some of his abject early season performances. I think he's made some mistakes in relying on the likes of Mata and Matic and I'm not sure what Pereira brings to the table but I also recognise that his options are limited. In my opinion he must keep the energy, pace and intensity in our game which has slowly ebbed away in recent matches.

I don't see the merit in replacing yet another manager until he's been given sufficient time and funds to reshape the squad but recognise the frustrations of many.


7.) 23 Sep 2019 15:50:57
Good post that danny.


8.) 23 Sep 2019 16:33:29
Jose was sacked because he spent 4 months trying to get sacked.


9.) 23 Sep 2019 16:42:31
dlib i think if we would have had shaw, pogba, martial playing we would have beaten them.


our actual first 11 is not that bad.

sure it lacks experience but its not all that bad.

we have shot ourselves in the foot 6 games in without replacing what we lost.


10.) 23 Sep 2019 16:57:22
So we should be playing a high intensity energetic football geared toward grinding out 1-0 victories?

This kind of shows the confusion in what Ole is trying to do. When he came he was all about bringing back high tempo attacking football. Then people said that the players lacked the fitness to do this, but would be primed after Ole had a preason.

The reality, of what’s been on show, is that the team isn’t being told to press. The team is set up for counter attacks which means sitting deep to conserve energy, then hit quickly on the break. This is the exact opposite of the high intesity style that Klopp and Pep play, and is literally the Jose method. He’s even playing to holding mids.

Am I just not seeing it, but can anyone point out how Ole is getting the team to play with intensity and energy?

As for the players we lost.

Of course it was stupid to sell Lukaku and allow Herrera to leave on a free without replacing them. Lukaku was our only genuine centre forward, if Ole doesn’t rate him, fine. But you can’t just let your highest scoring forward leave without replacing them. Herrera, as I said, Ole said he was key, and he was our most consistent midfielder last season. Again, dumb dumb dumb to think he didn’t need to be replaced. Even Fellaini and Darmian offered something.

As for ‘money doesn’t grow on trees’.

We are one of the richest and most profitable clubs on the planet. Last season Ed001 linked to an economic analysis that highlighted how the reinvestment of profits into the club lags well behind the team’s challenging for titles. We had targets this summer who weren’t signed purely because we thought we could bully smaller clubs into taking low ball offers. At a minimum both Lukaku and Herrera needed to be replaced with quality players. We could have coped with letting Sanchez, Smalling, and Darmian go, even held off with a rw until next summer. But our abject failure to invest has resulted in a squad bereft of quality and depth. We are already struggling to field a single striker, and as TRD points out McTom is our most reliable cm with 22 starts under his belt.

You might not see any merit in replacing Ole, but that won’t stop it happening. Last season Jose wasn’t backed and couldn’t bring in the players he needed. The team wasn’t good enough, and he was sacked. Exact same this summer. The club covered a few of the problem areas Jose wanted to address a year ago, and put the rest on the backburner. We don’t have the quality or consistency to challenge for top four, and it’s only a matter of time before Ole is jettisoned. The only difference is Ole will still thank them for the opportunity.


11.) 23 Sep 2019 17:00:03
The same mercenaries that finished second the season before or the ones that won the Europa League or the ones that won the Carling cup? Why were they let go? The squad is short of quality because Ole just sat there doing nothing. If he had the balls he would have stood up to the board like Jose did one of two things would have happened. Either he would have gotten replacements or he would have gotten the sack. None of those happened because Ole took the salary to sit there doing nothing.


12.) 23 Sep 2019 17:11:53
Mort he got sacked because the club was movining in the direction it is moving now.


13.) 23 Sep 2019 18:44:22
DLIB, it's a good post, but you point out that neither Martial nor Rashford are natural CFs.

Then you go on to say that with a front four of Sancho, Maddison, Rashford and Martial will cause a lot of problems for other teams.

Neither Sancho nor Maddison are CFs, so there would just be more chances being created with very few being put away, surely?


14.) 23 Sep 2019 18:52:05
It's stupid to think OGS didn't want replacements for Lukaku and Herrera or an attacking midfield/ No10 and a right sided winger/ forward. Of course he did!

The problem was to recruit such players with the quality needed to help us challenge in addition to signing a centre back and right back would have cost north of £300m and this was just not realistic in one window. It's obvious to me Ole prioritised a CB and RB with the money he had available. It's certainly not Ole's fault that more players didn't arrive yet ultimately he will pay the price.

I warned earlier in the window of re-building too quickly when many wanted rid of Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Darmian etc all in one window on top of losing Herrera and Fellaini. The Club was never going to invest enough money to replace all those players and believing they would was wishful thinking, fantasy football land.

Most people agree that the team and squad is short on quality but are surprised when results are inconsistent.

Most people love to talk in hindsight, they love to criticise and highlight our inadequacies yet rarely offer an opinion on how the Club can improve or more forward.

I'm yet to be fully convinced that the appointment of a director of football or technical director is the answer. I believe Ole has a plan he just needs time to bring in the players he needs.

No doubt our reactionary, alarmists fans will have him sacked by Christmas and the merry go round will start again. As the old proverb proclaims you get what you deserve.


15.) 23 Sep 2019 19:08:00
Epicpotato - I'm taking about the accumulation of goals pal. If we have a No10 and RW that can contribute a similar number of goals as Rashford and Martial or certainly hit double figures and bring more creativity to the team then the burden on them is less and we don't necessarily need a striker capable of scoring 20-25 goals.

At the moment we have Lingard, Mata and Pereria playing in those positions. Mata has never hit double figures in nearly 7 seasons at the Club and is now well past his best. Lingard's goal scoring record is terrible, in his best season he only managed 8 league goals and in the others he hasn't managed more than 4, Pereira and James are embarking on their maiden seasons in top flight football and Greenwood is only 17. Pogba is now playing in a deeper role so It's hardly rocket science that we're struggling to score goals. In fact I think we'll struggle to score over 50 goals this season hence my comment about clean sheets.


16.) 23 Sep 2019 19:25:28
We had a net transfer spend of about £80m, that’s less than Villa who spent the last three years in the Championship. And this is on top of a £50m net spend last season when the club failed to back Jose.

Are you saying that the club couldn’t afford to buy Fernandes or bring in a replacement for Lukaku with the £60m plus they got for him?

Absolute nonsense. The club tried to bully Sporting into accepting a lower fee, and then pretended they were never interested. And they dragged out the Lukaku deal so they could get a few extra million, knowing that this wouldn’t leave enough time to bring in a replacement.

We finished sixth last season, and you seriously think that an £80m spend is enough to get us back into the top 4?

Know what fantasy football is? Thinking that one of the richest clubs in the world can’t afford to spend more £120m in two seasons.


17.) 23 Sep 2019 19:26:21
I keep seeing some people, reducing as people start to realise, saying give Ole time but not what that this is based upon, perhaps some nice thoughts that he has, sentiments that match supporters. A manager who has no qualifications in running or rebuilding a team or club of our size. They want to trust our whole future to someone who scored an important goal 20 years ago, not someone who has the ability to form a team in a cohesive effective style, or has proven they can do it.

This isn't alarmist, this is protecting our future. Ole should realise this role is too far above him, do what is right for the club and resign so he doesn’t have to be sacked. It would be the right thing for the club.


18.) 23 Sep 2019 19:29:40
Well DLIB, if you're forcing me to choose then I say 'no, I don't back him'.

If you put aside the irrelevent distraction that he is an ex-player, then he is simply a guy who got Cardiff relegated and managed a team in Norway for a couple of seasons.

Who in their right mind thinks this qualifies him not just to manage Man Utd but to rebuild the whole squad and with a set of cluless idiots running the club at that?

It's what we see on the pitch that counts and I see no philosophy, strategy or discernable tactics coming from the manager and I see no imagination or effort from the players which tells me he can't motivate them and/ or they have no clear plan about what they should be doing.

Throw in the pointless 88 minute substitutions, the lack of plan B, picking useless idiots like Lingard every week and it's plain as day that he's not the man for the job.

In fact the more I think about it, your question isn't even a question. It's so obvious he shouldn't be our manager I'm now wondering why I've taken the time to explain why I think he shouldn't be.


19.) 23 Sep 2019 20:09:56
Redman - my assertion is based on the following -

In my opinion he is attempting to rid the squad of the mercenaries and mediocre. His transfer strategy is to target younger predominantly British based talent with the potential to develop and grow. He's prepared to promote youngsters from the academy and give them a chance. He is attempting to promote a more energetic and attacking style of play. His first three signings appear to be good. I'm pleased he has prioritised the defence and made two very good additions in that area. I think next summer we'll definitely see a RW, attacking midfielder and possible another striker and if he gets the correct players I think we'll be much improved. This season will be up and down, we'll struggle to score goals especially if we have injuries to the likes of Pogba, Martial and Rashford but I believe the direction is clear. In my opinion he should be give another summer window to address those areas before we hit the panic button. I can't do anything about his CV.

Danny - The fact the Club didn't sign more players is nothing to do with Ole. Your anger should be directed at the accountants not the manager. I fully agree more players were needed specifically an attacking midfielder and a RW which in my opinion would have significantly improved our and brought balance to our team. It would have cost well in excess of £100m to bring those players into the Club meaning a summer outlay somewhere north of £250m. I just don't think the Club had the appetite to spend this kind of money which wasn't helped with Lukaku being so late into the window. I'm furious we didn't get more players but I don't blame Ole for this failure.


20.) 23 Sep 2019 20:26:41
I missed the game yesterday, did we win? Can’t tell from the posts.


21.) 23 Sep 2019 20:42:18
I just can't be arsed anymore.

Sack him, don't sack him

Back him, don't back him

It's worse than ab episode of Eastenders. just awful drama.


22.) 23 Sep 2019 20:58:58
DLIB

You still believe time is the answer, but based on what talent or experience that Ole has shown in his career? Please can someone tell me what this patience is based on? You would put our future on the line, into another summer wasted, into yet another season, based on some ideas Ole has expressed which any of us could have said. Can the give him time brigade not see the massive risk in doing that?

You don’t blame Ole for not getting more players, yet he said he was happy with the recruitment.


 

 

 

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31 Oct 2019 15:21:18
If you don't think Maguire has improved our defence then I'm sorry but you know nothing about football.

He's assured on the ball, dominant in the air and physically strong. Ok I accept he lacks pace and can be vulnerable on the turn or in 1v1 situations but so could Vidic. He makes our defence, whoever he partners just looks better. Would you trust Lindelof/ Rojo, Lindelof/ Tuanzebe or Rojo/ Tuanzebe for any length of time but put Maguire next to any of them and it makes a huge difference.

Lindelof has regressed from some decent performances last season and moving forward I expect Tuanzebe to replace him in the team. I actually think Bailly would also make an excellent partner for Maguire.

I remember people questioning some of VVD's early performances in a Liverpool shirt, try and get some perspective Shan and watch more football.

Forget the money it's irrelevant, he was under contact and we desperately needed him so we paid the money.

Maguire, AWB and James have all been excellent acquisitions. Along with Mctominay they have easily been our best and most consistent performers. If the rest on the squad had performed more consistently at their level maybe the ridiculous civil war we've seen erupt on this site over the last several weeks would have ran out of ammunition.

We all know the squad is threadbare but our first choice starting 11 is decent and certainly capable of a top 4 finish. Injuries have made life difficult and our season will wholly depend on keeping key men fit until the squad can be strengthened.

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10 Jun 2019 21:30:24
Why would Palace sell him to Everton or West Ham for half the price? That just doesn't make sense. Palace are under no pressure to sell, he's one of the most promising full backs in the country, the player isn't agitating for a move, he's still under contract so if somebody wants him they'll have to make Palace an offer they can't refuse.

Didn't Everton buy Richarlison from Watford for around £50m after only playing one season in the Premier League?!

It's the same for the likes of Maguire and Maddison. Their values are being pushed through the roof as Clubs are no longer under financial pressure to sell players, they are better equipped than ever before to retain their best players so if players have signed long term contracts getting them from other Club's is difficult and very expensive.

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22 Apr 2019 14:08:41
Good post Mumbles.

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31 Dec 2018 17:32:37
I've not seen much of him but he's very well rated from what I've read.

We definitely need a RW but I'd like to see Chong given a chance. I'm surprised he's not been included since Ole's appointment does anybody know if he's been injured?!

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08 Oct 2018 13:08:24
Yeah your probably right Ed001. Pie in the sky talk really just thinking out loud thanks for your reply!

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04 Nov 2019 17:18:20
Yeah I know what you mean Ken both are nice players, talented but there's something missing. Do they have that drive and determination? Do they sacrifice themselves enough for the team? Do they really care enough? I'm not sure!

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04 Nov 2019 16:13:45
I just don't think he's a particularly good defender Ken. Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Bailly and even Maguire have all been vilified yet Lindelof continues to make important individual mistakes on a regular basis yet many still rate him. I suppose it's all a matter of opinion but after an awful start to his Utd career he enjoyed some promising games last season and I was hoping for much better, I'm just very disappointed with him. He gets bullied physically far to often and he's simply not good enough in the air in my opinion. I thought Maguire might have helped him but he seems to get targeted even more now and teams are regularly exploiting his weaknesses.

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04 Nov 2019 14:37:07
GDS2 - it's been Lindelof's fault a number of weeks I've just tried to remain patient with him. I've had my say because AWB is a young player who's been brilliant for us this season. If Lindelof holds his position King does not score. Where was the support for his teammate who was obviously out of position in a absolutely crucial part of the game just before HT. The bloke doesn't like defending and in a struggling Utd team it must be all hands on deck. Other players have been criticised so has the manager and I think Lindelof has been consistently poor.

He has been a poor acquisition not suited to the Premier League and he keeps making mistakes and costing us goals. Luckily it's an area of the pitch where Ole has real options and I think he needs to make a change. I have nothing against the player I just wouldn't trust him in physical encounters especially away from home.

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02 Nov 2019 18:01:31
Ed047 - I can't wait just don't tell Red Man he'll only gloat 🤣

In all seriousness I can't defend that today it simply wasn't good enough sometimes we play the game like we've got all the time in the world. No tempo with too many pointless backwards and sideways passes. The game looks under control but then we make stupid individual mistakes and put ourselves under pressure. We saw exactly the same under LVG and Mourinho, it's a mentality problem in my opinion a lot of players think they can have a day off against the smaller Clubs and don't work hard enough. They can't deal with these games mentally or cope with the fact that everybody still wants to beat Utd and raises their games. They actually need to work harder in these games not have a day off. Fun party hey 🤣.

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I think it’s the quality of the squad DLIB, it’s so far away from the days when literally everyone feared you and the little clubs and some of the big ones would be happy to escape with a point.

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02 Nov 2019 17:35:59
Ed047 - I've booked the phone box at the end of the street your more than welcome to attend I'm sure they'll be plenty of room. To lighten the mood I thought we could talk about Brexit!

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{Ed047's Note - I’ll be there mate, I literally can’t wait! 😩