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21 Jul 2020 08:15:50
There has been some fierce debate since the Chelsea defeat but maybe some perspective is needed.

Only a couple of weeks ago Chelsea lost to West Ham and Sheffield Utd and looked anything like convincing in a narrow victory over Crystal Palace. They have their own problems in defence and with another Spanish goalkeeper coincidentally so they have not suddenly become world beaters again overnight.

Utd now need to show some resilience and mental strength. We look a team showing signs of fatigue and some parallels can be drawn to last season when Ole went on a magnificent run only for it to fall apart once we'd dragged ourselves back into contention. The same excuses were rolled out then. Injury and fatigue bore the blame but this time history cannot repeat itself.

We need to exhibit a steely reserve, to win our next two fixtures and complete a remarkable turn around. There will be no trophy or even celebration for finishing 4th. It will still represent a poor season where we have finished over 30 points behind the leaders but maybe the seeds of recovery have been sown over the last few weeks. A return to Europe's elite competition will see us welcome Europe's best back to Old Trafford and hopefully the extra revenue generated will be reinvested back into the playing squad.

As for next season expectations should be tempered. Any talk of a title challenge is dangerously premature and once again we'll be in a fight for a top 4 finish with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, Wolves etc

Progress has been made, the team is now capable of scoring more goals, is becoming more consistent, whilst the style and brand of football is slowly evolving. I think we've been treated to some fantastic, attacking football since the re start, scoring some memorable goals and perhaps we have seen the birth of our next academy superstar.

We've seen ourselves the difference that just one player can make to a team so with the right recruitment we do have cause for optimism. The prospect of seeing Rashford, Martial, Fernandes and Sancho not matter how unlikely is exciting and with Greenwood continuing to develop we have a core of good players capable of competing with the best.

We must now finish the job and look forwards not back. The Chelsea defeat is consigned to history and in some ways we have bigger business to take care of. It's a big week ahead for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and the direction of his Man Utd team.


1.) 21 Jul 2020 10:27:48
Nice to see there are still some people on the site with a modicum of common sense and knowledge. 👏👏.

2.) 21 Jul 2020 10:28:57
Sensible post. I think the issue is most of us have become entrenched in our views either pro or against the manager. Them the most recent results become the basis of either proving your opinion right or wrong.

The reality is the unless Ole massively improves them he isn't the right long term manager for us. Yet in the short term he has shipped out the right players, brought in players with the right mentality, he has given youth a chance, improved most players in the squad and given the club back some of its identity. As a result whoever takes over will take over a club and a side in much better shape than it was when Ole took over.

Whether this summer, next summer or beyond is the right time to replace Ole remains to be seen and until he is will remain a hypothetical opinion only.

My view is we have a young side that is benefitting from having a manger who trusts them, regardless of who we sign we are too far off of Liverpool and City who have sides at their peak currently to realistically catch them next season.

They say a squad peaks with an average age between 26-29. That is where Liverpool and City are now. Our average age is 23/ 24 so we need more experience before we hit our peak.

For me next season would be a success if we are comfortably 3rd with a much smaller gap between us and 1st, anything below a 10 point gap would be a great improvement. I think we need to win a cup either the Europa League this season or a cup next season. Winning breeds a winning mentality and with so many young players in the squad winning a cup would be a huge growth experience for them.

Onwards and upwards. We need to refocus on the next game, forget Leicester. Win at West Ham, and try and win by a good margin. That would show a good bounce back mentality and would go some way to maintaining confidence levels. While also putting us in the best possible place ahead of the final day showdown.

3.) 21 Jul 2020 10:58:29
Agreed. If Ole can get us back into the top 4, playing some good football, maybe Europa League as a bonus, you have to after he’s done a sterling job and deserves another transfer window to continue his project. The atmosphere around our club is chalk and cheese to Jose’s reign. I for one am not complaining - yes he makes a few mistakes, but he’s learning all the time.

4.) 21 Jul 2020 11:20:01
Top post DLIB.

5.) 21 Jul 2020 12:07:37
Top post and well said DLIB.

6.) 21 Jul 2020 12:52:37
Good post dlib. City have lost a host of league games this year and are 20 points worse off than last year and have just been outplayed by arsenal. Do we see mass hysteria? Sack pep? players not good enough? No we don't. If I had said after the Burnley defeat that with 2 league games to go CL qualification would be in our hands I would have been laughed off this site. We are looking a little fatigued which is why the team and the manager need all our support not relentless criticism for losing a game which wasn't in the grand scheme of things particularly important.

7.) 21 Jul 2020 13:31:30
our inability to finish teams off is one of the issues we had early in the season which has cost us points.

we have drew 11 games.

lost the 2nd least amount of games and have conceded the joint second least.

i think with a few more players, especially a right winger, and another central midfielder regardless if pogba stays or not you will see a difference.

8.) 21 Jul 2020 14:02:34
Good post DLIB.

But I remain unconvinced that Ole has what it takes to take us forward next season and beyond. Still too many question marks hang over him and what he has achieved so far. I do hope I am wrong.




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28 May 2021 14:10:16
We are a Club that value celebrity over substance, revenue over trophies, shirt sales over performance!

Success was achieved as soon as we finished in the top 4 so believe what you want but Wednesday night was an irrelevance. Ole will get a new contract and spend all next season desperately trying to save his job.

We finished the league season with 74 points. That in my opinion is about the ceiling for this squad. That will normally keep us in or around the top 4 but no where near good enough to win a league title. A new manager might get a few more points and even get us over the line in games like Wednesday night but it's not where we want to be. We all know what we need but some continually want to hind behind replacing the manager thinking that will solve the problem. It won't! We all know the real problem and nothing will change until they are removed.

We will win nothing of significance with these owners in charge so change the manager, he'll be gone sooner rather than later anyway and the fan base will be equally divided over his replacement.

I'm not defending Ole but no manager in world football will win major honours at our Club whilst our ambition does not extend beyond a top 4 finish.

It pains me to say I've become apathetic. After three decades of loyal support I will not renew my season ticket. My one man stand will not make a difference but I can no longer support a Club or invest my time and energy in an organisation that simply doesn't want to win. DLIB signing out!


1.) 28 May 2021 14:34:45
We all want the Glazers gone as they have been canablising the club since they took over. But again I think you're underestimating what an elite coach can do.

I don't think the club will have sustained success. I agree that the owners don't particularly care about trophies, but there is nothing stopping us building a team that can compete.

We do spend money. We spend a lot of money. Signings and a coach that can improve us no end will make us contenders.

The owners might be happy with top 4 but that has also seeped into the managers ambitions. The manager and players should want to win every game but we constantly have our manager saying we're not in the title race, trophies are for egos. He has accepted mediocrity and that will transfer to the players.

The owners are going nowhere anytime soon. We can however change the manager. Saying a manager won't change much is negating every underdog sporting achievement ever. Coaches can make the difference.

I hope you're not leaving this page DLIB as you're one of the best posters this site has.

2.) 28 May 2021 14:41:44
DLIB, solid post mate.

I have taken some time before posting after the final, because like everyone I was frustrated with many things. In terms of the game I felt like Ole let it drift from him, and ultimately that cost us, as I felt if we freshened it up, we would have killed them off in ET.

Personally I like Ole, and everything he is trying to do, is to win and win trophies. If anyone disputes that then blinkers are on. My concern with him is that I wonder if he has already reached his ceiling. Can he find another level? I am not sure he can, I have said many times on here that I don't think he will be the one to bring home titles etc for us.

However, for me I don't care who is in charge, the club isn't geared up to winning the big trophies at the moment. Recruitment has been poor over the years, money spent yes, but money wasted. We have had big managers in Jose and Louis and they both struggled and had many of the same gripes us fans have. We are told to believe that Manchester United is the biggest club in the world, but we don't act like it. I don't think those at the top care about being the best football team in the world, they care about being the biggest brand. We all know the club generates huge money, but if we were winning league titles and champions leagues, then I would guess we would be even more profitable.

Talk of a new contract for Ole, personally I feel like we should wait to Christmas, see if we are making any progress on the pitch before making that decision. Going into the summer we need to be getting players with the right character and most importantly quality. Scholes said after the final, we didn't sign Man United players. For me a Man United player takes risks, rises to the occasion and demands the ball and will do anything to win. Think Keane, Cantona and Robson. These characters are few and far between, and worryingly I don't know if we have any on or off the pitch with that mentality any more.

I am hopeful for a good summer, but I am not holding my breath.


3.) 28 May 2021 15:09:19
Good man Dlib. The more that vote with their feet the better Imo. Also the thought of lining the glazers pockets with your own hard earned money when you despise them and their strategy for the club must be very frustrating. Also the frustration at feeling you have to give up something that you enjoy in order to make your protest must hurt a lot. I really admire your stance 👏👏👏 I hand up mutv I won't give up any or bt as I watch golf and other sports. I will not buy any club merchandise so I don't have to make the same personal sacrifice as you. I know it hurts.
I agree with mumbles to say no coach can win anything is simply not true and a little silly. Have we not already won leagues cups and a cl while they are owners? The main difference then was we had an elite manager and we will have again once we get shut of coco the 🤡.
We will get back to the top I've no doubt about. Step 1 for any good club has got to be get a proper football manager.
Best of luck to you and i hope your absence does not extend too long.
I admire you for having the courage and to take the sacrifice to stand up for what you believe in. A truly honorable thing to do. If everybody just sits and takes no action then the status so won't change.

4.) 28 May 2021 15:45:43
DLIB, i respectfully disagree. All us fans are playing the oldest game in history and it is called the "blame game". I respect your opinion on this and to some extent i agree with it as well. Things need to change top down. But simply stated for the football side of it, the buck stops with Ole. As i understand, the Glazers purchased United in 2003/ 04. We have won several PL titles, CL, Europa League, FA Cup, Carling cup and if you want to count it then the Community Shield as well and all this under the Glazers. The thing that was the major factor was that we had a competent manager in charge. We won the trophies with Anderson and Cleverley in the midfield. Were they world beaters? No. But the common denominator was a competent manager. Managers who demanded excellence, be it SAF, LvG or Jose. They weren't scared and didn't tow the party line. They stood up for what was right. Does Ole do that? Even Moyes won a trophy, the Community Shield for us and if Ole had a chance i am certain that he will screw that up too as trophies are for ego.
Glazers have spent money. We have bought Di Maria, Lukaku, Maguire, Pogba, van Persie, Bruno who are all top stars and capable of winning. But Ole fails to motivate them enough to do anything material. Yes they haven't invested in the stadium or the toilets seats etc but i am sure the leaking roof has nothing to do with poor performances on the field. isn't that down to Ole?

5.) 28 May 2021 15:54:46
Brendan Rodgers just won the FA Cup with Leicester, so no idea how you think any coach in world football wouldn’t win anything. Pep, Koop, Brendan, Tuchel, even Bielsa would likely win trophies with this squad. There is a lot of bang average players here granted, but I’m sure some would improve with a proper coach, ole is a clown.

6.) 28 May 2021 16:37:36
@DLIB i am so sorry to hear you say that! You are genuinely one of my most favorite posters here (although you have been posting far less than you used to and than you should) .

I do disagree with you quite abit. Before i tell you why, i just want to reaffirm, i am NOT in the glazer's corner.

Now for the "why i disagree with you". let's see, they kick out Moyes after like 7 months when we are languishing in the 7th spot. Admittedly, that could be a point for your argument that all they want was top 4 and not actually to win.

Then they go and get LVG, the darling of the worldcup and someone widely regarded as a bringer of structure to any clubs he's been at as well as flourisher of youth.

Then they let go of LVG (despite having qualified for champs league - i know due to technicalities, still)

Then they bring in Jose, who everyone and their Grandma's knew is a serial winner.

All while spending about a billion quid and breaking transfer records.

There's a lot of reasons to hate these blood-sucking bankers and Lord knows I do hate them, but i can't subscribe to your doom and gloom mate and I just want to point out that its not that we won't win, it takes time.

Ask yourself, do you remember when klopp signed to be a liverpool manager in OCT 2015! YESSS. 2015/ 16 season they finished 8th, then 2 back to back seasons of finishing 4th and that loss to real in the champs league final. Then they go and buy Allison, VVD (i think in Jan of that saeson - world record fee for a defender) while robertson and taa emerge as world class talents.

Oh and by the by, you know he also lost a europa league final with liverpool. Guess who was the manager he lost to :) Unai i mean :)

So these things take time. This, where we are right now, is the tough part. We could keep our faith and back this manager or keep changing em and see where that gets us!

7.) 28 May 2021 16:58:25
It's been a narrative on here for awhile that there's no point in changing the manager. It's fearmongering plain and simple. Try and paint it like our poor manager is powerless and is punching above his weight. While the facts are that he's just a bang average manager and I would assume the other 19 premier league managers would do a better job than him.

8.) 28 May 2021 17:10:21
Stand- I did say the major honours meaning the premier league title and champions league sorry for any misunderstanding pal.

If Ole had won the FA Cup and finished 5th he’d have been sacked. For many fans this would have been a good thing. It would mean a trophy, a new manager and no doubt significant investment in the playing squad chasing a top 4 finish next season.

The FA Cup, League Cup and Europa League are irrelevant in a world where finishing 4th and securing all the extra revenue offered by the champions league is King.

UA - I don’t know how SAF continued to win league titles with those teams he was a genius, one of a kind, possibly the best football manager that ever lived. It might be a long wait for the next one pal.

If you think a new manager can win us the major trophies I respect your optimism.

I understand the frustration with Ole. I accept a more competent manager could have us playing better football, get us a few more points, maybe even win an FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League but only a genius will deliver us the major honours under this incumbent. If we win it will be in-spite of them and not because of them.

Raconteur - The Klopp situation had crossed my mind pal. He did have pedigree however wining two league titles with Dortmund including a double I think. I know not everyone will agree but I just can’t see how we can win when winning clearly isn’t the main priority. For the record I wouldn’t sack Ole. I’ve been as frustrated as most but I don’t think he was given the tools last summer to mount a serious challenge therefore to finish a distant second was about the best we could have hoped for! I thought we’d finish 4th at best at the start of the season. Let’s see what the summer brings.

Mumbles - I’m not scaremongering pal. I accept others managers could probably get us a few more points maybe ever win a trophy but could they deliver the major honours? If a distant second wasn’t good enough for Jose or Ole why would it be for anyone else? I honestly don’t believe Pep would win the league with this Utd squad. He’d want significant investment which he wouldn’t get! Time will be the judge I just think we’re in for a long wait.

9.) 28 May 2021 17:30:56
Raconteur, did you just compare Klopp to Ole? Ole isn't good enough to drive Klopp's car.

10.) 28 May 2021 17:46:15
@DLIB fair enough mate! And I agree that No one, myself included, thought with much confidence a top four finish this season was written in the script for us, especially with the failed sancho pursuit!

I think these are just impatient times, or perhaps we (all football fans and people in general) were always impatient and antsy and now we just have a platform to express said antsy-ness.

Have a great summer Pal!

11.) 28 May 2021 18:20:29
DLIB, That scaremongering comment wasn't meant for you mate. It was meant for the majority of the Oleholics.

12.) 28 May 2021 20:35:57
Lol comparing Klopp and Ole :) .
They are class apart.

13.) 28 May 2021 21:23:04
Mumbles - We had 2 elite coaches, and while they won a couple of lesser trophies (and yes, Ole has failed to do that), they didn't have the team playing any better.

I'm not saying Ole is better than them. Just that getting an elite coach isn't going to magically fix everything. It may not fix anything.

Sticking with Ole gives us stability, a chance to build a team to a plan (rather than changing the plan every time we change manager) . He is learning and improving steadily.

We should only change manager now if a really perfect candidate comes available (and IMO we missed that chance when Klopp went to Liverpool) . Not just "at least he's better than Ole".

14.) 28 May 2021 23:44:44
Thorne, because past decent managers failed does not mean it will continue to be that way.

The football we play now is just as boring as peak LvG, it's just as defensive as peak Jose. Ole will be taking charge in his 4th season and we have no coherent plan.

If you don't think a manager like Conte would do better than Ole, you're deluded. There are a host of managers that would improve us.

If you think Ole is the man to win us a league, that's your opinion. I think he's a Man who won the footballing lottery and has wasted the opportunity.

Ed001, you can stop your great manager profiles now. Apparently the qualities of a manager don't mean an awful lot.

{Ed001's Note - that will save me a lot of time then nice one!}

15.) 29 May 2021 01:06:05
Sticking with the "Inept One" will have us languishing in obscurity. I always hear the excuse that he's learning on the job, yet his mistakes are now a habitual occurrence. A blind/ deaf/ mute man would do a better job at coaching/ managing than Ole. If Ole was in my island home of St. Lucia, he would be referred to as a "Coolowmoono" which basically means not to bright of a person.

16.) 29 May 2021 06:41:25
Should be “not TOO bright of a person” @love united.

17.) 29 May 2021 08:42:28
DLIB - re your opening post, I fully see where you are coming from and the frustration at the club from top to bottom, but the sad thing is not renewing will not bother the hierachy as some person is waiting in the wings to buy your season ticket. In fact the best part of the stadium could follow your lead and season tickets would still sell out. Its the brand and philosophy that has eviolved over the years for many top clubs. Its your choice and yours alone but it is obvious that 3 decades shoew your support above many prawn sandwich eaters and why should you lose out to someone who doesn't care. Whatever you decide, good luck :)

18.) 29 May 2021 09:13:42
Raconteur it should actually be 'not too bright of a person' no need for caps but and no need to be a smart arse either. Predictive text takes over a lot and some folk me included forget to proof read our posts. 🤣.

19.) 29 May 2021 09:33:55
lollll Kenneth rises to defend the Ole-haters again. Beware, for wherever there is justice, truth and logic, there will be the "inconvincible" :P.

20.) 29 May 2021 09:40:21
Here Here DLIB!

You not alone pal. I told my mates that I won't be going to Old Trafford in the near future (apart from the RL Grand Final as I'm a Wigan fan) .

I've recently sold all my Manchester United clothing items. Advertising the club to other fans doesn't help.

Hurting the Glazers in the pocket is the best way of protesting for me. Take your money and custom somewhere else. Buy the Gold and Green colours if you still want to wear your colours. The Super League was the final straw for me. Maybe if the elite clubs treat their fans as fans and not as customers, you wouldn't have all this protesting going on.

As they say, I think I will take my customs somewhere else, guess it's time to borden my horizon. My advice is to go support your local club or find a different hobby.

21.) 29 May 2021 09:35:57
Mumbles - The European Super League debacle just cemented what I’ve believed for a long time. Our owners have no interest in the Club other than to line their own pockets.

I agree we spend money but it’s only to keep us in the top 4 and not to win trophies. Where is the investment in the infrastructure, the stadium, the training facilities, the community?! Players are rewarded with obscene contracts so they don’t have to be replaced or retain their transfer value. There is no understanding that players like Jones, Rojo even Lingard etc can’t be sold because other Clubs won’t pay their wages which results in a bloated squad and an inability to sign players that could take the Club forward.

Success at Manchester United is not measured on the pitch but on the stock market. Revenue generation, sponsorship opportunities and social media hits are the new barometers of success.

I can’t defend Ole but what manager can succeed when the Club is playing a different game?

I just don’t see how we can be successful if the emphasis isn’t on winning.

Marcus Rashford talked about sacrifice in his post match interview. Inspiring words for such a young man and it gave an important insight into his mentality. Winning at an elite level is hard, it takes meticulous planning, hard work and sacrifice. It’s takes everyone working together to reach a common goal. What sacrifice are our owners making to make sure we close the gap and return to the top? Whilst Rashford was playing through injury and trying to ensure underprivileged children got a free school meal our owners were trying to form a European Super League for the sole purpose of lining their own pockets.

The manager is a diversion from the real problem at our Club and we will not win major honours until the Club prioritises sporting success over commercial growth.

Ken - I can no longer acquiesce or give my money to a regime that I do not believe have the best interests of the Club at heart. I do not despise the Glazers, I understand they are business people but Manchester United must be a symbol for sporting excellence not commercial growth. They are making money off the back of our rich heritage that without such tradition and sporting success there would be no world wide fan base or sponsorship opportunities.

We are a Club that ruled Europe from the ashes of Munich to the depths of personal tragedy and the vision, courage, bravery and sacrifice to never give in. That’s what Man Utd represents not the chime of the tills in the megastore or the cash injection of another commercial sponsor. Winning is what matters and the rest will take care of itself.

22.) 29 May 2021 10:29:29
Raconteur who did I defend? Just pointing out an error. Were you not doing the same oe where you just looking for any excuse to pick on someone because they don't share your view?

23.) 29 May 2021 10:33:53
Dlib. I whole heartedly agree with your stance if those are your feelings.
You must stand up for what you believe in. Those that turn the other cheek and then moan and whinge i can't understand. I think they lack moral fibre. You on the other hand are a person to admire for having the courage of your convictions. imo.

24.) 29 May 2021 21:47:26
Mumbles - I’m not saying an elite manager couldn’t do better. I’m saying that just grabbing any available elite manager won’t work, it has to be the RIGHT elite manager, and I don’t believe any of the elite managers we could possibly get at the moment are the right one.

I also wholeheartedly disagree with your comparison of how we play now to under LVG or Jose. Our play now is far more exciting than under LVG, and far less defensive than under Jose.

We don’t lack for attacking intent, just consistent creative quality. Getting rid of Pogba (who is inconsistent and requires compromising other players to accommodate), and bringing in a creative RW option and a genuine holding midfielder (to free up the second CM), possibly one who can add creativity from deep, should help resolve that.

If we add that needed creativity this summer, and Ole fails to use it, then fair enough, he’ll have failed. Right now though the lack of creativity is down to the available players, not the manager.



21 Apr 2021 18:30:26
The charade is over, the illusion exposed, the Glazers motives now abundantly clear.

If we needed any further evidence that our owners care more about money than winning the top honours then their association with the failed, anti competitive, European Super League is the final, conclusive, piece of proof.

Main conspirator's and chief protagonists in this treasonous plot our owners wanted to enter us into a closed competition so they could pocket the guaranteed revenue for themselves. Not so they could buy new players, improve the training facilities or the academy, modernise the stadium or invest in grass roots but to line their own pockets by profiteering from over 100 years of history and tradition.

The facade that we needed top 4 in order to attract new players and challenge for the title has been busted. Top 4 merely protected the revenue and sponsorship required so the Glazers could continue to pay themselves handsome dividends. Spending was always curtailed following Champions League qualification, yet more unequivocal evidence that competing for trophies was never on the agenda.

The Glazers judge success not on the pitch but the stock market. Success is measured not by trophies but sponsors. The fact the big 6 consider themselves "elite" based on nothing more than the generation of revenue and wealth and not sporting excellence is a sad indictment of a game that has been lost to the capitalist predators.

Football is about competition not money. It's about the fans that fought for and founded these iconic, historically important institutions and the generations of families who have loyally supported these organisations year after year, decade after decade devoting their hard earned cash, time and emotions following the Clubs they love and adore.

Manchester United belongs in Manchester. They are not a commodity to be paraded around the world for no other reason than to make foreign investors rich.

The world has the NFL, NBA, NHL or Major League Baseball for the capitalist economists.

Some might argue that football and business are now intrinsically linked where one cannot survive without the other but when millions of dollars can be made simply from taking part in a closed competition without any incentive to be the best something has gone badly wrong.


1.) 22 Apr 2021 00:13:32
Soccer, derived from the word association, is at its heart a social experience between the players and the spectators. If owners and players cease to have a long term connection to the clubs, the fans and the home town, then the very essence of the game is changed. We are of course well on the way to that point already, with or without the ESL. But one has only to look at the actions of people like Kroenke with respect to his US "franchises" to know that loyalty to anything other than money is non-existent.

Maybe the Glazers have not invested any money into OT because they regard it as a sunk asset best replaced by a new stadium in a warmer more attractive venue where it doesn't rain all the time and where the players are keen to live! I jest. But that said, without controls, I would not put anything beyond this bunch of would be monopolists. Just as they bought the club with other people's money, using cash flow to service debt rather than to invest in top quality replacements for an aging team, so they will sacrifice the team, its players, and the fans if the ROI is improved, and employ any and every financial manipulation to that end. The Americans, at least, do not regard these clubs as community assets, but private ones.

2.) 22 Apr 2021 02:21:16
Top post that DLIB.



20 Apr 2021 11:09:27
Munich, February 1958, a group of excited young men are wearily but triumphantly waiting to return home after being led into European competition by an inspirational, visionary keen to expand the English game and challenge his young side to take on the very best teams on the continent.

This was not an adventure based on money or greed but a decision based on competition and sporting excellence. An opportunity not just to be the best team in England but the whole of Europe.

As they waited patiently on the runway, that snowy, winters afternoon many of those outstanding young men would lose their lives following this dream. They would never kick another ball or play in front of an adoring Stretford End. Their adventure came to an end that terrible afternoon but their dream endured.

As the manager lay in a Munich hospital bed, battered, bruised and ravaged with guilt, half of his young, vibrant, exciting team were now dead or seriously injured.

Ten years later a broken manager, from a broken plane, re built a broken Club and fulfilled their European dream.

Our great Club, rebuilt from the ashes of Munich and reborn from unspeakable tragedy now stands at the mercy of a few greedy, unscrupulous, American businessmen who want to trade our illustrious history and tradition for nothing more than a quick buck.

The Glazers don't care about Manchester, or Munich, even Sir Matt Busby, the Busby Babes, SAF, the class of 92 or the treble. They don't care about competition or even winning, all they care about is exploiting the brand and trading on tradition to make money.

In its current format the ESL represents a bigger threat to Manchester United than even the Munich air disaster. This is the Americanisation and globalisation of European football. This is the theft of our football Clubs and over 100 years of history and tradition. This is the desiccation of football, the principle's of competition, sporting excellence and integrity in favour of American razzmatazz and entertainment. It won't be long before games are played not just in Manchester but all over the world under the guise of taking the game to our overseas fans.

The Glazers motives for our Club are now clear. They are the principal protagonist in this sordid story where they desire a closed shop so they can continue to print money regardless of success. Where they can operate under their own rules and pimp the team out to the highest bidder.

Manchester United the franchise has been 15 years in the making and the Glazers have made their move.


1.) 20 Apr 2021 12:14:26
Agree with every word mate.

2.) 20 Apr 2021 12:14:40
I think you might he over romanticising our history. We were saved by John Henry Davies back in 1902 so he could sell his beer to the match going fans, he even changed the name and strip to make widen his customer base.
Hardman and Busby both saw our entry into European competition as not only a chance to test yourself against European opposition, but also as a useful moneyspinner and then Champagne Louis took over, how are the Glazer's any different?

3.) 20 Apr 2021 12:49:18
No investor makes such investments because he is a philanthropist. Once we understand and agree with that, then some decisions become easier to swallow.

4.) 20 Apr 2021 12:57:04
Totally agree DLIB

GrimisnotDead, the Glazers want a closed shop, they don't like spending their money on trying to compete and get to the ECL places in the prem. If you want Utd to compete for the top spot, to be a great team again, then the closed shop with guaranteed income, will not be an incentive for our owners to invest to improve.

I've worked for Americans and all they care about is money, you can take their wives, take their kids but don't take their money.

5.) 20 Apr 2021 13:16:00
You can have Joel glazers wife 🤣.

6.) 20 Apr 2021 13:36:23
Grim - You need to wash your mouth out with soap for asking the difference between Busby and the Glazers!

Make no mistake this is the monopolisation of football. It’s the theft of our football Clubs and over 100 years of history and tradition. It’s the de valuing of competition in order to further deepen the pockets of billionaires that don’t care about the game and will drop it like a brick once (if) interest subsides.

It might not happen immediately but how long before games will be held all over the world to cater for a global audience from India to China, Australia to Brazil. How long before other prestigious teams from around the world will be invited to join the league but carefully controlled by the founding few. It’s the start of a new global game.

Rich owners have basically stolen the tradition and history of some of the biggest and most famous sporting institutions in the world in order to start their own league and make eye watering amounts of money from it.

The big money is not in Europe but around the world where the Clubs can televise their own games to a global market. Where they can generate new fans by moving games to China or the US.

They don’t care about our affinity to the Club. They will move us to where they can make the most money and we will no longer be Manchester United but they needed our history and tradition to get this off the ground.

Billions of people will watch the games because it’s Utd v Madrid, for the sheer spectacle and entertainment value regardless of if you’re a Utd or Madrid fan. Rivalries will become diluted and many fans will change their allegiance depending on who is successful at a particular point in time.

It will change football irrevocably.



28 Mar 2021 12:04:27
As we pause for the International break it's gives us an opportunity to pause and reflect.

Three years ago Jose Mourinho finished a distant 2nd to Manchester City. His team amassed over 80 points, progressed into the knockout stages of the Champions League and reached an FA Cup final. The season before Mourinho won the League Cup and Europa League.

I still vividly remember the dreadful elimination to Sevilla in the Champions League and driving home from the FA Cup final defeat to Chelsea with a sense of bitter disappointment. The season felt like a failure.

Mourinho's tenure at Old Trafford was never likely to be sustainable. His was often sullen, argumentative, divisive and his football over cautious and defensive yet despite all this negativity I had absolutely no doubt that he wanted to win. After a decent second season (on paper anyway) he went into the summer transfer window expecting significant backing from the board. After all, he had already won two trophies, reached an FA Cup final and finished runners up accumulating over 80 points in the process, surely this was evidence of progress and vindication of his methods and credentials. Mourinho expected his own burning ambition to be matched by the Club and going into the summer of 2018 he desperately wanted a CB (amongst others) yet he was eventually given Fred and Dalot in order to try and chase down Pep's centurion's! The rest as they say is history.

Fast forward a couple of years, Ole loses three semi finals and secures third place on the final day of the campaign against an injury ravaged Leicester City and the season (for some) is celebrated as a success. Fast forward another few months, Ole is eliminated from the group stages of the Champions League, knocked out of the FA Cup in the quarter finals and is still a very distant second to Pep's City (now chasing a quadruple) yet this is somehow evidence of progress!

The truth is expectations of this Club are in the gutter. The main difference between Ole and Mourinho (apart from the obvious 22 major honours) is expectation. I think when Mourinho was appointed we all expected better. We expected trophies, we expected success and in many ways he delivered. His personality and personal ambition exposed a Club lacking the appetite to really compete and in the end he couldn't hide his distain for a CEO hopelessly out of his depth and a squad of players lacking the ability and mental fortitude to overthrow the noisy neighbours. This is not a vindication of Mourinho, he had his faults but where is the progress? The football is no better, as yet there is no trophy in the cabinet and we are unlikely to get over 80 points. Of course it's better than Mourinho's self inflicted mutiny but by that stage the Club was toxic and players in revolt.

In my opinion the Club yearns for stability. Consistent top 4 finishes safeguards revenue, enhances the marketability of the Club and increases sponsorship opportunities. Whilst attacking football and trophies are preferable they are not essential to the business model.

That being said this is not all doom and gloom. Whilst we might not have the financial power or the burning ambition of a City or Chelsea, we still have significant funds available for transfers and can offer competitive salaries. What we really need to be successful in my opinion is a coherent plan, an identity, a system, a way of playing and a clear appreciation of what types of players are required to fit into and improve that philosophy. We need a longer term vision as we don't have the ambition, ruthlessness or finances to pay severance packages, compensation, buy multiple top class players in a single window or rectify expensive transfers mistakes.

We simply won't have the money to strengthen in multiple positions this summer. What I would like to see is the Club target a player capable of significantly improving the starting 11 in one of the key positions (CB, CDM, RW or CF) and by definition also improving the depth of the squad.

The only way we will ever return to the top is by meticulous planning, proper scouting and buying the correct players to fit the system. In charge we have a man that perhaps provides some stability and longevity but maybe lacks the quality and experience to really succeed. Ole needs some help, he needs to Club to deliver him another Fernandes this summer to continue the progression. Utd are a slow burn, top 4 finishes and patience may have to suffice for now!


1.) 28 Mar 2021 12:12:45
Good post DLIB. Could've been a very different story had they properly backed Jose, I really believe that. But as ed002 consistently said, the club were not progressive enough for Mourinho.

But here we are with a manager who clearly hasn't the credentials of his predecessor nor the results but seems to be afforded more time and by the looks of it, even more money.

I agree that the club needs a serious plan, vision to succeed but sadly I can not see it at this current team. But even though upstairs has failed time and time again, it is no excuse to settle for a sub par coach. We will not return to the top with this man in charge regardless of what Woodward and co do.

2.) 28 Mar 2021 13:09:02
Angle - In hindsight Mourinho was the wrong appointment. He was never likely to spend longer than 3 years at the Club and his relentless ambition was always going to place him on a collision course with the board. He didn’t have the patience for a long rebuild and even if backed adequately there was no guarantee he’d topple Pep. With his preference for established stars it was always likely that he could leave the Club with ageing players on big wages.

It’s become obvious to me that the Club wants stability. I think the right manager could bring success back to the Club even under Glazer ownership and Woodward control but it will take time, patience, meticulous planning, expert recruitment and honest dialogue between the manager/ coach and decision makers. Chasing the likes of Sancho all summer and not delivering cannot be allowed to happen again. Ole must be stronger and demand answers. The price was always prohibitive and Dortmund were never going to relent; hopefully lessons have been learnt. If we’d have got Sancho last summer (instead of Cavani, VdB, Telles, Pellestri and Diallo) we’d have been a step closer to improving our starting 11. (The rest were just stocking fillers of little use) . Add a top quality CB or CM this summer and the pieces begin to fall into place. The failed Sancho pursuit in my opinion set the rebuild back 12 months and the RW position should have been addressed last summer. A team cannot win the league without a recognised or special-ist right sided winger/ forward in the entire squad. Last summer was the time to address the RW position whilst Pogba remained at the Club for at least another season. With the acquisition of Fernandes the signing of Sancho would have completed the attacking positions (Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Sancho, Bruno, James, Lingard, Mata) meaning a top quality CB, Pogba replacement or even CF could be recruited this summer. We’ll never know the impact of Sancho on the team but his creativity and goals would have undoubtedly improved us in my opinion.

Last season’s transfer window demonstrated yet more incompetence and flawed decision making. The final day chaotic supermarket sweep across Europe only evidenced a Club lacking leadership and a coherent plan.

If Ole is to continue the progress next season he needs players that will improve the first team not veterans, youngsters, back ups or players he doesn’t want or fit the system. Recruitment this summer will be key.

3.) 28 Mar 2021 14:03:20
Fantastic post DLIB.



19 Mar 2021 14:49:01
Fantastic result last night and very happy to progress.

A lot has been made about the recent improvement of the defence but how much is down to McFred sitting in front and not leaving them exposed?!

I accept McFred can't pass and you'd normally expect a Utd team to have more technically gifted and creative players in the centre of the field but their positional discipline, energy, tenacity and work rate off the ball is vital to this Utd team. They protect two very vulnerable CB's that can't be left exposed 1v1 and allow the full backs to get forward.

When Pogba was introduced last night last we looked a different proposition despite still having McFred on the pitch.

My point is Ole wants his double pivot to be disciplined, hard working and play for the team especially in the big games. They give the team a platform to play and Ole then expects his better attacking players supported by the full backs to go and win the game. Pogba produced that moment last night and we won the game. If Pogba doesn't come on last night we probably draw that game 0-0 and go out. We didn't win last night though any tactical master plan or footballing philosophy but simply by introducing a top quality player who possessed the individual ability to improve a very work man like team.

I'm not really arguing that McFred are good enough for Utd but they form an important part of how Ole wants to play.

I still think the best way Ole continues to improve this team is by getting more individual quality in the attacking positions. Players that have the individual ability to create something for themselves. Get a top quality RW and this team improves further despite it's obvious limitations at CB or CM. We must get more bang for our buck in summer and it's my belief that a RW will improve us the most in relation to how Ole wants to play.

I'm not saying I'm a big advocate of Ole's tactics and I can completely understand why some believe he's not good enough but despite a calamity he'll get a new deal and will be here next season. In what will likely be another difficult summer transfer window I'm just trying to understand how this team can continue to improve whilst Ole remains in charge.


1.) 19 Mar 2021 15:09:41
Wow, a balanced post! Really good to read.

RW has been our biggest problem in attack since even the Moyes era. Am worried that having spent a relatively high fee on Diallo that'll be it but if we do sort it we would see the best from our other strikers as well. Fingers crossed.

2.) 19 Mar 2021 15:11:37
I think our centre backs, lindelof and maguire are hard done by on here, they are good centre backs in their own right especially lindelof.

They just lack some elite physical attributes that you can't coach, pace for maguire and lindelof has trouble physically in aerial duels

If lindelof's agent was to shop him round europe there would be a lot takers in my opinion especially on the continent, he's good on the ball, reads the game well, hardly goes to ground and can communicate well.

It would have to take an expensive top quality addition to improve on lindelof, like a varane, dias, VVD level which isn't easy to find. People talk about the likes of kounde, torres, konate etc but i'm sure after about 10 games at the club, people would find a faults with them as well.

3.) 19 Mar 2021 15:23:36
Dlib i'm also not a fan of our general tactics, style or approach.
It errs on the side of caution and is a lot more submissive than I prefer personally.
However you are right ole is getting a new deal. Its not a decision I agree with but I hope it works out. I hope our play will improve and that I'll enjoy watching more than I do now.
I hope we get some success.
Only time will tell if the new structure will improve things.
It may not be my ideal plan, but its the plan we have and at least there is a plan.
Will it work? I don't know. In 3 years time we could look back and say what a great plan it was and here we are epl and cl winners or alternatively we might look back and say who let the lunatics take over the asylum.

4.) 19 Mar 2021 15:31:51
Dsg I'm not having that.

5.) 19 Mar 2021 15:33:08
there is no way it would take 10 games before someone has a pop at them 😂😂.

6.) 19 Mar 2021 15:58:12
DSG our best CB pairing is Bailly and Lindelof. I wouldn’t have Maguire anywhere near my starting 11 but ole for some reason has him as captain.
I thought Kessie looked good again last night. Swapping him for either or mcfred would improve the pair enormously,

Still think we need 4 in the summer. CB, DM, RW, ST

We have enough players to sell to raise some funds and take money off the wage bill.

7.) 19 Mar 2021 16:27:48
I just can’t work this Utd team out! Conventional wisdom dictates we should be average and in many ways we are.

Ole and his coaching staff lack experience and pedigree, Fred and Mctominay undoubtedly lack quality and finesse on the ball, as does Dan James and even AWB. Our CB’s lack pace and really struggle to defend in 1v1 situations. Martial has been poor all year, Rashford still blows hot and cold, Greenwood has struggled for form whilst Cavani and Pogba have been injured yet we’re unbeaten in well over 20 away games. We’ve eliminated two of the strongest Europa League teams and have only lost 4 league games all season two of which were right at the start of the season. Had we won very winnable games against Sheff Utd, West Brow, Crystal Palace and not conceded a ridiculous last minute goal against Everton we’d be 9 points better off and only 5 points behind a very good City team.

We’ve drawn too many games but I’m convinced a further injection of individual attacking talent would have seen us win many of those games. If we had a Grealish or Sancho type player that can dribble, receive and retain the ball in tight situations and create something out of nothing added to the likes of Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Bruno despite all our limitations we wouldn’t be that far away!

In my opinion it’s not a question of improving the style or attractiveness of our play under Ole. It’s about being well organised and having the individual quality in attacking areas to win games. That’s how Ole wins a title in my opinion. Ole hasn’t got the finances or time to improve the double pivot, the CB’s or even add another CF. He’ll predominantly have to use what he’s already got. I say blow all the budget on a special RW, complete the attacking 4, make us well organised and hard to beat. Don’t leave the CB’s exposed and hope the individual quality in the attacking areas can win the game. This is the only way I ever see Ole getting close to a title at Utd!

{Ed014's Note - how about it City hadn’t had the poor start they did?

Seriously some of the stuff posted on here is getting ridiculous. If I as an Arsenal fan was trying to big this season up and you were in City’s position and I was in yours you’d be laughing your nut sack off at me.

8.) 19 Mar 2021 17:06:20
Completely understand 014 here. It’s almost like the season we finished second under mourinho. Best of a bad bunch.

{Ed014's Note - I know some (2) think I come on here for some kind of wind up but I 100% don’t see what a lot are seeing.

I go through your squad, which is supposedly the best since Fergie left and think wow! How, we’re the others that bad.

Somethings are clearly good, but the reality for me is, not many.

9.) 19 Mar 2021 17:31:38
Ed014, I think its a decent squad with potential. However, I think some people are either a little blinkered or they like to over egg the quality of this squad as it suits their agenda (i. e. Ole is underperforming) .

When I look at the players we have currently I see 2 maybe 3 that would be in the conversation as possible starters for City or Liverpool. Whereas, for both of them their entire starting 11 would probably be strong contenders to be starting for us.

I think a lot of people get mixed up between potential and current ability. Players like AWB has huge potential, but he isn't a world class or even a great player currently. When we talk about out best players we tend to talk about how good they could be and not necessarily how good they are currently.

I also find it funny how people think this is a great team that is being managed poorly, but also say we need 4-5 players for the first 11 to be a title challenger. Even though we are 2nd currently. In which case then does that mean they think Ole has this team in 2nd with only 6-7 first team quality players for a top side?

If so how could you possibly say he is doing a bad job?

That's the thing with United at the moment, we are a team of contradictions. We have some good players, a couple of great ones and some who might one day be great. We also have at least 12 players who aren't good enough to grace a title winning squad.

Our performances are often hard to watch and seem directionless, yet we are second and have got good results and tally up well against the best for goals scored.

We look a mess in defence, but currently have 8 clean sheets in 9 games.

It's almost like we are a club in transition and as such performances are up and down, but somehow we tend to get the results needed to get over the line.

As many have said its a rollercoaster, and just like the best rollercoasters they often almost give you a heart attack, sometimes they make you feel sick, yet you keep going back for more. Hey no one ever said being a football fan would be easy.

{Ed014's Note - I agree with that Shappy and nothing hurts to be positive about your side it’s just keeping it in context.

10.) 19 Mar 2021 17:31:56
Ed14 - We dropped those points after going top of the league having been on a very good run of form. We had found some consistency then dropped points against teams we should have beaten and fell away. If we can’t discuss how we think Utd can improve and where we’ve dropped unnecessary points then what’s the point of posting? I’m not an imbecile, I know Utd didn’t win those games because we’ve not been good enough but had we added a top quality RW in the summer in my opinion we could have turned some of those draws into wins and got closer to City despite our limitations.

Where have I attempted to big our season up? I clearly say we’re average yet despite that we were top of the league in January, have gone over 20 games unbeaten away from home and have only lost 4 league games.

I’m not deluded I know Utd are miles behind City I’m just trying to understand where we can close the gap. We’re 2nd not 10th so I don’t understand what’s so ridiculous about highlighting where we should have done better in few recent games having got ourselves into a good position. I didn’t even mention our poor start where we had no preseason which might also explain City’s poor start which you felt you had to mention.

Arsenal have got absolutely nothing to do with this debate. I couldn’t care less what you say about Arsenal your 10th, 16 points behind Utd with all due respect what are you talking about? Arsenal aren’t mid table because you’ve drawn a few games. Anyway I don’t want to get embroiled in a pointless argument with on of the editors especially one that doesn’t even support Utd have a nice weekend.

{Ed014's Note - apologies DLIB I wasn’t referring to yourself in my reply but across the board.

Enjoy your w’end

11.) 19 Mar 2021 18:20:33
Thanks Ed, no apology needed but thanks anyway, I was very touchy and defensive to be fair. Maybe we can go hammer and tongs when meet in the Europa League final 😉.

12.) 19 Mar 2021 18:20:33
Ed14 - Thanks Ed, no apology needed but thanks anyway, I was very touchy and defensive to be fair. Maybe we can go hammer and tongs when meet in the Europa League final 😉.

{Ed014's Note - thanks and yes mate that would be good, get all EPL finalists in both European Comps.

Mind you between us we wouldn’t want City and Chelsea to win anything and in your case defo not Liverpool either 🤣🙂

13.) 19 Mar 2021 23:46:14
Any post that mentions Eric Bailly should be in our starting 11 needs some very serious scrutiny! He’s dreadful.

14.) 20 Mar 2021 05:30:36
Strange to add that to this thread Eric. Is almost like a new thread. But yes, he is our worst CB. Actually he beats out Jones.

15.) 20 Mar 2021 14:54:20
I will say one thing for us 014, it could be a lot worse. We could have arsenals squad 😂.

{Ed014's Note - Red I kid you not I 100% would not swap squads with you.

16.) 20 Mar 2021 17:19:30
Hahaha oh dear.

17.) 20 Mar 2021 17:21:53
I think there are some good young players in Arsenal's squad, but on the whole I think the United squad tops it. I think the relative positions in the table go some way to highlight the current gulf in quality, either that or you must think Ole is a much better manager than Arteta.

You have some great young players, Saka and Smith-Rowe look great players, Martinelli was doing well but seems to have dropped right off.

Other than those youngsters the only other players I'd consider from Arsenal are Partey, Gabriel and Tierney. Although they are good enough I would argue Shaw is in better form than Tierney. While Partey is clearly a much better option than Fred and McTominay personally he isn't the type of midfielder I think we need. Gabriel though I would pick over Maguire every time. Although in saying that I'd pick a bag of cement over Maguire.

18.) 20 Mar 2021 19:05:53
I wondered where my whiskey had gone, sounds like 014 had it! Joking aside we have the much better squad. Just have to see you guys wallowing down in 10th to realise that.

{Ed014's Note - wouldn’t have either of your keepers, would take AWB for the first team, fatboy as back up for Tierney, would take Bruno if he stopped being a petulant girl. The rest of your rank midfield you can keep.

Wouldn’t swap ESR, Saka, Lacazette, Pepe, Aubamayang, Nelson, Martinelli or Odegard for anything you have up top either.

We still have better defenders on loan than you have and 2pts from 6 suggests you’re not as good as us.

We’ve also conceded less than you.

Keep your whiskey, you’re going to need something to drown your sorrows in. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

19.) 20 Mar 2021 20:37:37
Ole must be a much better manager than Arteta if Arsenal’s squad is so superior to ours.

20.) 20 Mar 2021 23:43:12
You lost me at Pepe 😂.

21.) 21 Mar 2021 00:07:30
Oh Ed14.

22.) 21 Mar 2021 07:33:03
Ed fishing again.

{Ed014's Note - no need to fish on this page. It’s in a world all of its own.

I imagine it will be a while before it comes back to earth.

23.) 21 Mar 2021 11:51:50

That’s one of the best posts I’ve seen for ages, absolute meltdown. Can only assume you’re fishing or (hopefully) just deluded. I don’t think anyone here thinks the united squad is amazing but you’ve just shown your hatred for united in that post and a lot of things you say now make a lot of sense. How you have a job as an editor I’ve no idea, it’s a shame for the site as the rest are knowledgable and respectful and make the site what it is.

{Ed014's Note - coming from one of if not the most deluded idiots on here what you say is totally irrelevant.

You wear the thickest pair of red tinted specs I’ve seen in my life.

You deduce I hate United because when I go on your club web page I don’t see this best squad since Fergie left.

You even had a poster saying it was better than city’s. Now doubt you agreed.

How you actually manage in life itself is beyond me as you clearly have zero intelligence.

Also remind me at which point I said our squad was so much better than yours or is it simply the fact I wouldn’t swap one half decent squad for another half decent squad.

Red says I stopped at Pepe, I literally pmsl when I got to Dan James, where would you be without Bruno? Where?

Go on your club website, look at the players and come back and tell me all about how good they all are and how as a group the are going to challenge for the title or the league.

You really are the new Arsenal, only two players away from challenging! 🤣🤣🤣

24.) 21 Mar 2021 13:17:14
Well said GDS2 and I think you’ve caught catch of the day there 🎣 😂

I wonder how one watches Rashford and Greenwood and decides they’d rather have Pepe and the failed Madrid player.

I think the thickness or your own red tinted specs are getting in the way Ed 🙈

Sure there are a few Arsenal players that would get in our squad but nowhere near what you are claiming.

As we are 2nd in the league and you are 10th, and we consistently finish above you, it must be a case of either United have the better squad overall or that Ole is a coaching master compared to Arteta.

Personally I go with the former and as managers not 1 is better than the other.

{Ed014's Note - Wazza, Wazza, what are you on about, really.

Look let me make it super simple, as a group you are massively over hyping your squad.

Would I swap mine for it, no, would I compare Greenwood and Rashford to Pepe and Odegard no.

Would I compare them to Saka and Aubamayang then yes I would.

Would I swap my squad for City, Liverpool or Chelsea’s, absolutely yes, do I look through your club website and your 1st team and think I must have all of them, no 1 million % I don’t.

You as a group big them up and shoot them down on a weekly and even basis, they really are not that good or close to that good.

You’ve blamed everything under the sun for a poor start, we didn’t have Aubamayang in the same form this season as he was at the end of last season, is that a good enough reason for us being where we are, no you’ll tell me it’s not.

It’s just a lame excuse to say I hate United as it doesn’t suit your narrative that anyone can look from the outside and see a different picture or I’m an Arsenal fan.

You do me the favour of going through your squad and highlight what I’m missing or is it all just a lack of a pre season? 🤷‍♂️

You need a lot to challenge and I’m not even close to saying we don’t, but the simple thing is, that’s what I want us to do, so logic says there is no way on earth I’d swap for your squad which is not close to challenging either.

As for GDS all the Ed’s know what a clown he is and he couldn’t catch a cold. 🤦‍♂️

25.) 21 Mar 2021 13:46:49
Well I've got be honest this has cheered me up today.

26.) 21 Mar 2021 14:10:43
Wow this got a bit out of hand. No need to say how is he an editor GDS bit of respect goes far lad. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That’s the point of the site.

{Ed014's Note - apart from me clearly hey and you earn respect and GDS has earned zero but let’s brush over that too 🤦‍♂️

27.) 21 Mar 2021 14:52:28
Ed can I ask them, why are United 2nd and Arsenal 10th, and why do United consistently finish higher than Arsenal?

What do you put that down to?

{Ed014's Note - really Wazza, why do you think, because we are not as good, does that mean I have to swap squads because I want us to be even better.

No it doesn’t mate, I’m not having the hype surrounding your squad and that it’s as good as many are saying.

Seriously, go on the United website, look though all the players, tell me what you’re seeing that makes all this hype justifiable?

Your manager is how far into his tenure and what have you really achieved aside from off loading Smalling and Lingard.

Where is the genuine progress in terms of quality aside from Bruno and where would you, hand on heart, be if you didn’t have him.

Does he turn up for the big games.

Honestly because I don’t tolerate those two clowns on this page I’m must have an agenda and hate United.

I don’t hate any club, dislike Stoke City and their ilk because they just want to kick people.

I’ve watched United since the days of Charlton, Stiles, Law and Best and watched them all play in the flesh, I’ve watched you win league titles and Champions League finals and unless against us have been more than happy that you won.

Posters just seem to dislike it because my opinion of this squad doesn’t fall in line with the hype.

So check out the website, look at your squad, be honest and come back to me.

28.) 21 Mar 2021 15:31:30
United are far better than arsenal, this is currently out best squad since fergy left.
That said in 7 years under moyes lvg and jose we had 1 top 4 finish so maybe that's not saying much.

I also don't see a lot of hype nearly everyone on this site says we still need to improve, buy several players, 17 is just trying to justify his opinion
He doesn't like it when other people opinion doesn't fall in line with his own
We where 3rd best team in the league last year currently 2nd i'm not sure anyone has said anymore than that .
Maybe the squad is better than you think? And rather it being a case of people over hyping the squad things are actually better than many like to admit.

{Ed014's Note - painful, just beyond painful. 🤦‍♂️

29.) 21 Mar 2021 15:39:40
Ed014, would you swap your squad for West Ham's 🤣🤣🤣.

{Ed014's Note - no mate but I’d have that Jessie Lingard lad he looks class on grass! 🤣🤣🤣

30.) 21 Mar 2021 15:42:19
Ed united finished 10 points above arsenal last year.
They are currently 16 points above arsenal ( yous are only 15 points above relegation )

You don't think we have a better squad?
That's fine its your opinion, many will disagree, maybe your wrong .
16 points and currently getting a hiding of west ham.

{Ed014's Note - Jesus I know you are thicker than a whale omelette but ffs can you get your stupid head around the fact that your squad are not what I want if I want Arsenal to win things.

I am not disputing league positions, my opinion, that’s my opinion is that your squad is not all that you think or would like it to be.

That’s MY opinion, YOUR opinion is different. Do you understand? 🤦‍♂️

31.) 21 Mar 2021 15:33:45
Where would we be with out bruno what a stupid question. Thd truth is nobody knows we woukd of probably bought someone else .

The FACT is bruno is part of this squad.

{Ed077's Note - "Where would we be without Bruno" isn't a stupid question at all. Its a genuine question. We were around 6th_7th before his arrival and losing to Burnley. We were quite far away from top 4 places. We bought many new players broke multiple transfer records and yet were so bad. Saying we would have signed someone else and that other player would have done what Bruno has done is just ignorant and dumb. Bruno has performed at a very high level for almost all his time here. Nobody has come close to his level of performance, quality and consistency regardless of their prior reputation or the fee paid for them. You are doing a huge disservice to Bruno by saying we would have brought someone in and still done as well.

Also I think you are missing Ed014's point. Neither of our squad is that superior to the others. There aren't many players I would be considering from Arsenals squad if put in charge of Man Utd. But also I would consider many of our players to be that much better than Arsenal's.

32.) 21 Mar 2021 16:06:07
No getting through to some 014. Unfortunately it has been the state of this page for a while, when people disagree and have their own opinion the sl*gging match starts.

{Ed014's Note - it’s trying mate to say the least.

33.) 21 Mar 2021 15:51:59
Ah right so this united squad isn't what you want . Ok Ed 😂.

34.) 21 Mar 2021 16:01:24
It must be pretty disheartening for you to say all this Ed while you watch your team get dismantled by a superior West Ham side.

{Ed014's Note - why would I be disheartened Wazza, are things that bad at United that you get upset at the slightest set back.

It’s actually a great game with both sides going for it, I know you’re used to parking the bus most of the time. 😉🤣

Or are you just hiding from answering my question as I answered yours, deflection at it’s finest. 😉

35.) 21 Mar 2021 16:23:45
Ed you don't know that, we would of bough someone else.
What if pogba hadn't got injured blah blah its all ifs and maybes.

To say that is ignorant or bumb imo is daft, your presenting opinion as fact . and what's worse presenting your opinion as fact someone else's as dumb?
The fact is we did buy him, he is part of the squad.
I personally think we have a much better squad than arsenal they have potential but there is a reason there mid table .
You don't ok 14 doesn't ok .
But we are 16 points ahead of them with 29 games played.

They are 16 points behind us imagine the stick on here if a poster was arguing that united had a better squad than a team they finished 16
points behind, 10 last season.

But each to there own

I said last season we would do ok said this season we would continue to improve.

{Ed077's Note - Bruno is up there with the best players/performers in the league. Saying that any other player instead of him would have played just as well and any other signing would have worked as well as he has is ignorant. I will write it again hoping you read it this time "We have signed many players, for huge sums, players with huge reputation before arrival, broken transfer records of different sorts, yet nobody has come halfway to the level of performance, quality and consistency of Bruno." Also don't underestimate the leadership and winning mentality Bruno has brought in.

Sheffield It's finished 9th last season. Did they have better squads that all 11 teams that finished below them? I think not. But they performed better, maybe rode their luck a bit more, maybe some teams underperformed. Conversely Liverpool finished 33pts clear off us last season. Now they are around 11 pts behind us and 4_5 places below us. Has the quality shifted that much?

I agree we have a better squad than Arsenal but the gulf in quality isn't quite as much as some are saying. I read posts after posts saying this player is bad, that player needs replacing and then all of a sudden you guys are so butthurt when someone says the squad of players people want replaced/upgraded isn't great.

36.) 21 Mar 2021 16:57:41
Ed and we have signed players for small amounts who have been amazing, Cantona.
The fact is you or me don't know what would of happened if we hadn't signed bruno .
16 points ahead of arsenal this year 10 points ahead of them last season .
Where would arsenal of been last season with out aubamayang, and his 22 league goals?

You are coming up with what ifs to prove you point, when the fact is we finished well clear of arsenal last year and are even further ahead of them this year .
It might be your or 14 opinion arsenal have a better squad fair enough . I'm not going to call you ignorant dumb or thick etc etc

I don't think they have, I think this " what if he got injured etc" is just what fans do to prove a point.

But the facts are arsenal have been nowhere near us in the league for the last 2 seasons. So maybe I have a point?
Also bruno was only 1 of the many points made above,

{Ed077's Note - did you not read my reply. I clearly stated "we have a better squad than Arsenal." That's my opinion. I also don't take much issue with Ed014's opinion that the gulf in quality between our squad and Arsenals isn't that big.

Why is it hard for you to acknowledge that not many players have had as much of an affect on the team as Bruno. And Cantona was signed almost 3 decades ago. If you think we would have signed another player instead of Bruno and he would have performed as such that we would be 3rd and then 2nd (after 28_29games) when 6th at the time of his arrival than I think you are hugely underestimating Bruno's contribution and quality. Not many players in history work as well as Bruno has right from Day 1. And we have very rarely had a signing work half as well as Bruno has during this current hierarchy.

37.) 21 Mar 2021 17:56:46
Ed I haven't not acknowledged it whst I said was no one knows and I think its a silly point in a discussing about 2 teams that are no where near each other in the league .

Where would this team of been with out bruno? Who knows .
But its 1 point in an on going discussion about this squad?
In 2nb place 16 points ahead of arsenal ( which the thread is about ) the comments aimed at gds for his views taking the above in to account
But we are discussing what if this play was injured etc , I suppose that better than the actual FACT arsenal are no where near us.

{Ed077's Note - Bruno isnt playing right now against leicester and we are horrendous. The major difference between us and Arsenalhas been Bruno though. We were around similar place in the league table before his arrival. And league position is the be all and end all in judging teams that much we have established recently right ;-).}

38.) 21 Mar 2021 18:42:53
And would we of been around the same place as arsenal if they didn't have abuma.
It's all what ifs where do you draw the line .

{Ed077's Note - Auba has been horrendous all season.}

39.) 21 Mar 2021 19:07:59
Ed can I change my mind and have a few more players I’d take of your team? 😂 like I said before best of a bad bunch. Hopefully now maybe some will see your point a bit clearer. Neither squads are close.

{Ed077's Note - Does anyone else think Partey is better than McFred combined? Or just me?}

40.) 21 Mar 2021 19:11:48
And also 077 is spot on. Jred this is embarrassing.

41.) 21 Mar 2021 19:05:28
ed14 did you say arsenal have a better squad than united?
I don't see that. Maybe I'm mistaken but it looks to me like people can't read or understand your point.

{Ed014's Note - no Ken I didn’t, I said I wouldn’t swap squads and I stand by that.

Nothing in your squad makes me feel we’d be any closer to winning anything with your team than ours.

I don’t believe the gulf in class overall is that massive either and you have been very reliant on Bruno dragging you up by the scruff.

I’d take City, Liverpool and Chelsea’s squad every day of the week and they all now have a top man at the helm.

Don’t think there’s much doubt we’d fair better with better managers but do we honestly have the squads to really challenge if we did, I’m thinking not mate.

42.) 21 Mar 2021 19:22:31
077, I like mctominay and he has the potential and even stepped up season by season. But partey is a great player. I would maybe say your right, playing with fred is playing with a player less already anyway. But yes partey was a great signing shame he’s not been fit full season. Certain posters, I won’t name, are adamant we need a deep lying playmaker at dm. I disagree. We need someone in the ilk of ndidi or Zakaria. Play a 6,8 and 10. New dm, mctom (assuming pogba leaves) and Bruno. Ideally wed replace pogba on leaving with Saul too but I have little faith we’re going to replace where we need to.

{Ed077's Note - McTominay is good, but not great and thus not good enough to be first choice, not yet at least IMO. The table would rise without me hands or leg touching it if Saul joined Utd lol:-).}

43.) 21 Mar 2021 19:32:24
014s last reply to ken here is what all the butthurt posters need to read. Even when I said I think we have the better squad he’s not turned and said arsenal have a better squad. He’s pointed out the potential in the arsenal squad and I think imo has rightly said there isn’t a great gulf. I don’t see anywhere where he’s said x is better than z. He’s said who he would rather have. And that my friends is why we frequent these sites. For opinion, for discussion. Without petulant sl*gging for it. Most of us can have a bantery joke (I know bantery isn’t a joke but I couldn’t find the word 😂 I’ve took the whiskey back off 014) some just get so butthurt it’s embarrassing. Back your team to the hilt, criticise your team where needed. But this is all a game of sport. We’re a community here. Stop criticising our Ed’s who make this site possible. They’re entitled to opinion too, just because it’s in red doesn’t mean you need to see red in reaction lads.

44.) 21 Mar 2021 19:35:39
He plays motm one game then disappears a couple. But yes he has the making of a good prem level cm. we definitely need a more experienced head there though. Saul would be wet dream worthy nevermind rising tables haha.

{Ed077's Note - ???}

45.) 21 Mar 2021 19:54:11
Mctominay 077, sorry.

{Ed077's Note - Whiskey I guess lol :)}

46.) 21 Mar 2021 20:09:57
Sadly yes, but on a good note i got given a frank sintra select jack daniels by a cousin returning from a gap year recently. Very smooth 😉. Bourbon over scotch, sorry 😂.

47.) 21 Mar 2021 20:34:06
Yes ed14 that's what I thought. Some people call for debate but that is until someone has an opinion that differs from their own.

{Ed014's Note - I know mate and I endeavoured to make it as clear as possible.

48.) 21 Mar 2021 21:19:21
Ed014. It was crystal clear.

{Ed014's Note - thanks mate 👍🏼

49.) 22 Mar 2021 18:31:39
Well that became fun, somebody was 'butthurt' but it definitely wasn't me.




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06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.




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03 Sep 2020 12:36:10
Was Donny VDB not also touted as a Pogba replacement?




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25 Aug 2020 19:43:57
Well Pep can't win the Champions League without him!

I'd be amazed if he left Barcelona but at 33 maybe now is the time for a new challenge! I hope he moves would love to see him at another Club.




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22 Aug 2020 21:05:00
Gifting ageing players big long term contracts is a recipe for disaster.

He might be worth a gamble on loan or a rolling one year contract but otherwise we should steer well clear in my opinion. His form hasn't been anywhere near good enough to warrant signing him on a long term deal and as he ages it's unlikely to improve. A move like this would reek of desperation and a return to the flawed transfer strategy of the past. I'd include Douglas Costa in that bracket and we must resist the temptation to get lured into these types of deals.




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04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!





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30 May 2021 15:42:40
Red Man - I tend to agree with that mate. If you look at the history of our Club it has been driven by two great men.

For the record I’m not an Ole fanatic. I’d have sacked him as soon as we got knocked out of the Champions League. The decisions he made in those final two games were amateurish to put it politely. On the other hand I can also sympathise with a manager that wasn’t given the tools to really succeed in what was in my opinion a shambolic transfer window last summer.

What Utd need is the next great manager that will bring their own energy, motivation and drive to a Club sorely lacking leadership and direction at the very top!




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30 May 2021 14:29:17
Mumbles - I respect your opinion but you’ve also got the look at when this money was spent and how? You’ve also got to understand that City have a better squad and we’re playing catch up!

You’ve got to understand that there has been no investment in the infrastructure, stadium and training facilities whilst City have spent billions! I’m sure you already fully understand this but hopefully you get my point.

The money has predominantly been spent trying to keep us in the top 4 and not trying to win the league. Big investment has always occurred when we’ve finished outside the top 4 and not to close the gap on those above us in the seasons we’ve finished in the top 4 and needed to kick on.

I just can’t understand how an organisation can ever be successful when it’s not actually that concerned with winning and its priorities seemingly lie elsewhere.

I actually think we’re probably all saying the same thing. Most of us believe Ole isn’t good enough to win the top honours and most agree the Glazers aren’t particularly good for the Club. I suppose the real debate centres around could any manager really deliver success under the current incumbent.




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30 May 2021 12:56:56
Red Man - What further evidence do you need to prove the Club have no ambition?! Having read these pages, other fan forums, talked to other Utd fans, read countless media articles and listened to all the radio debates I don’t think there are many people, the majority of Utd supporters included that genuinely believe Ole has the necessary experience or credentials to win the biggest trophy’s however some argue that in a summer when he had to close a 30 point gap he was given a veteran striker, a midfielder he didn’t want, a back up full back and a couple of kids. Some argue he’s actually did as well as could be expected with the tools at his disposal.

I’ve read the comments about Tuchel and the great job he’s done but people forget Chelsea spent over £200m last summer and their record signing scored in the final. I’m absolutely convinced Tuchel would not have won the champions league without this investment and certainly not if Chelsea had signed Cavani, VdB, Telles, Diallo and Pellestri last summer. How would Chelsea’s season have unfolded if despite chasing Havertz all summer they ended up with Pellestri and Diallo instead? Of course we’ll never know but to dismiss the summer transfer window and heap all the praise on Tuchel doesn’t tell the full story in my opinion. Lampard obviously couldn’t get the best out of a very talented squad but he was given everything he needed to succeed. That’s certainly not the case at Old Trafford and Tuchel would not have won the champions league had he replaced Ole when we were top of our group after two games.

It’s not overly emotional, sentimental fans that keep Ole in a job but the football club that actually think he’s doing a good job and more than meeting their expectations!

Ken - Come on mate, SAF was a genius, probably the best football manager of all time or certainly in the debate. SAF kept on winning despite the Glazers and not because of them. There is a huge difference and surely you can make the distinction.

A new manager may give us fresh impetus and new ideas but the ambition of the Club is severely lacking to achieve any long lasting success.

What we are actually waiting for is a new SAF or the next Sir Matt Busby. The next brilliant man at the very peak of their talents that can install the correct mentality and drive the Club forward almost singlehandedly, achieving success despite of the owners and not because of them. One day that man might walk through the dilapidated corridors of Old Trafford and re awaken a sleeping giant. I’m not saying we can’t win under the Glazers but any success with be despite them rather than because of them and that’s the task facing any manager than takes up the challenge.




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30 May 2021 11:23:21
Red Man - You strike me as an educated man. You are a knowledgeable and well respected poster but why direct your vitriol towards the manager when it’s the Club that keeps him in a job! It’s the Club that appointed him, the Club that will offer him a new contract and the Club which outline the ambition.

A top 4 finish is considered success at Manchester United, Ole is more than meeting expectations he’s going no where!

I’m tired of reading the anti Ole sentiment. Of course if we have any real ambition to win the league or champions league we need a better manager and better players but it’s incumbent on the Club to make the right decisions and demonstrate the necessary ambition.

Ole has delivered two consecutive top 4 finishes which no manager has achieved since SAF retired. Ole is excelling. Why would you sack a manager that has restored some stability to the Club and delivered the extra revenue of champions league football two seasons running when this is the principal target?

Manchester United are run as a business, the principal aim is to make money not deliver trophies. Unfortunately the Club can make lots money without winning trophies.

I’m made peace with the situation. We all spend hours reading these pages, debating managers, tactics, players etc discussing how the Club can improve and deliver us the success we all crave but the truth is the Club has different expectations than ours! We are no longer a Club obsessed with wining so whilst these pages offer us some comfort and cathartic release until our ambition is mirrored by the Club the wait will go on. It already stands at 8 years and counting!




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29 May 2021 09:35:57
Mumbles - The European Super League debacle just cemented what I’ve believed for a long time. Our owners have no interest in the Club other than to line their own pockets.

I agree we spend money but it’s only to keep us in the top 4 and not to win trophies. Where is the investment in the infrastructure, the stadium, the training facilities, the community?! Players are rewarded with obscene contracts so they don’t have to be replaced or retain their transfer value. There is no understanding that players like Jones, Rojo even Lingard etc can’t be sold because other Clubs won’t pay their wages which results in a bloated squad and an inability to sign players that could take the Club forward.

Success at Manchester United is not measured on the pitch but on the stock market. Revenue generation, sponsorship opportunities and social media hits are the new barometers of success.

I can’t defend Ole but what manager can succeed when the Club is playing a different game?

I just don’t see how we can be successful if the emphasis isn’t on winning.

Marcus Rashford talked about sacrifice in his post match interview. Inspiring words for such a young man and it gave an important insight into his mentality. Winning at an elite level is hard, it takes meticulous planning, hard work and sacrifice. It’s takes everyone working together to reach a common goal. What sacrifice are our owners making to make sure we close the gap and return to the top? Whilst Rashford was playing through injury and trying to ensure underprivileged children got a free school meal our owners were trying to form a European Super League for the sole purpose of lining their own pockets.

The manager is a diversion from the real problem at our Club and we will not win major honours until the Club prioritises sporting success over commercial growth.

Ken - I can no longer acquiesce or give my money to a regime that I do not believe have the best interests of the Club at heart. I do not despise the Glazers, I understand they are business people but Manchester United must be a symbol for sporting excellence not commercial growth. They are making money off the back of our rich heritage that without such tradition and sporting success there would be no world wide fan base or sponsorship opportunities.

We are a Club that ruled Europe from the ashes of Munich to the depths of personal tragedy and the vision, courage, bravery and sacrifice to never give in. That’s what Man Utd represents not the chime of the tills in the megastore or the cash injection of another commercial sponsor. Winning is what matters and the rest will take care of itself.