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24 Aug 2021 01:48:03
Y’all are really debating whether DVB is good or not? He’s had the same amount of minutes on the pitch as Ole has trophies as a manager. Fair play if he had a run of 4-5 games in a row and was awful but his 5-10 mins cameos or starting in a team of youth in cup games aren’t really the best measuring stick.
There wasn’t a massive queue for his signature but it did look like he was nailed on for Real at one point before Utd swooped in and signed him. Even 6 months after he signed and leading up to the Jan window when his agent was already hawking him around as he was desperate to leave there were 3-4 clubs which were credited with an interest.
No one knows why Ole doesn’t trust him, we can only guess. I’d say he thinks he’s not defensive enough in Ole’s opinion to play in the ‘double pivot’ but you would think in games that you’re expecting close to 70% of the possession that it wouldn’t be a problem but it doesn’t seem like it. Ole won’t even trust him enough to give Fernandes a rest once in a while so don’t see how he’ll ever get a game. So at this point it’s better to sell him for whatever amount you can get and try to replace him with someone will at least play.
1.) 24 Aug 2021 07:55:49
I think we were more debating why Ole might not be playing him rather than be tearing him a new one over it every time he doesn’t play. Because clearly he is a better player than any of our other players in that position.
2.) 24 Aug 2021 09:32:46
Ole is an idiot.
If Donny was called Donny Smith or some English game he will play every single game.
It's always going to be hard from someone coming from the Dutch league and adapt here.
Ole has not given him any help whatsoever. He had high praise from a club legend in Van Der Sar. He was Ajax schooled.
There is a player there, and better than Fred and Matic.
Donny would thrive, thrive in the current setup.
Pogba, Bruno, Donny, Cavani, Greenwood, (Mata too) have some sort of footballing brains that a lot of our players don't.
I don't see how Donny doesn't work out with regular gametime.
3.) 24 Aug 2021 09:39:49
I agree I hate this fan base he’s had from somewhere. Every time I’ve seen him it’s been pretty obvious why he’s sub . I’ve read posts about how unfair he’s being treated, do me a favour, he’s on obscene amounts of money to perform in training to warrant a starting place . I’ve seen nothing in him to suggest he’s good enough to warrant this hype .
29 May 2021 01:40:09
I’m not a Utd fan, from what (albeit v little tbf) of united I've seen this season, OGS doesn’t have an attacking plan. It’s all about counter attacking at speed, but mostly lumping the ball forward and relying on your forwards to make something happen. There doesn’t seem to be an attacking style of play, in terms of movement and passing, which seems to be which you struggle to break down a low block.
As a Chelsea fan, i had the same concerns early on in Tuchel’s reign as it seemed to be 100% focused on defence with v little on attack (whereas with Frank, there seemed to be ‘some’ kind of forward play)
The weirdest thing is I’m happy for OGS to sign a 3 year extension. Yes you came second but actually I don’t actually worry about you guys despite finishing lower than you.
1.) 29 May 2021 04:38:06
Okay then. Nice to know.
2.) 29 May 2021 05:16:06
Fuser
Yes I would imagine most opposition fans will be happy to see as many years as possible with Ole in charge. The United board, the gift that keeps on giving, not to Utd fans but to all the fans of other clubs.
We don’t lump the ball up, we do work it to about 30 yards out and then pass inside, fingers crossed Bruno or Pogba creates something, otherwise it is a dull, boring repeat session. We don’t cross a ball, don’t manipulate the full back to get behind a defence, so as we saw with Villarreal who easily sussed our only option and Ole didn’t have a clue what to do.
3.) 29 May 2021 06:27:41
I wonder if many united fans go to other team pages and obsess over other teams and their styles…
I am so relieved that you’re not worried @fuser. Good 4 u!
4.) 29 May 2021 09:01:11
Tuchel is fenomenal, losing to Villa and being lucky enough to still get top 4 is surely the way to go!
5.) 29 May 2021 09:10:13
Trololo
Would you have been pleased to get top four, in the FA Cup final and European Cup Final after a few months in charge, taking over a team in a mess? Given we in effect finished 17th in the Champions League and have had three years of dross forgive me for wishing we had Tuchel instead of Ole.
6.) 29 May 2021 09:20:29
@Trololo hahahahahaha good one buddy! i was just thinking the same thing and wondering if i missed something, because i don't know how tuchel started to be considered as the best in the world lollllll
I mean Pep i get, and klopp and nagalesman's teams play really well from what i hear, but Tuchel he had gazillion bucks and Neymar and mbappe and how many trebles did he win?
I know i may sound harsh and i will admit that i haven't seen his teams an awful lot but jeeeeeeez.
7.) 29 May 2021 11:02:42
Red Man he might finish not winning anything and lower than us in league.
Also, he lost title for PSG this season, which is why he was fired.
I would argue if they were that much worse with Lampard than with Tuchel.
Im not saying i'm 100% satisfied with our current situation, but I wouldn't go near Tuchel.
8.) 29 May 2021 11:03:58
Thanks Raconteur, I totally agree.
I watched a bit of Dortmund and PSG and I can't say they were anything special.
9.) 29 May 2021 13:52:06
He took over Chelsea when they were 9th. He finished 4th and has gotten to two major finals. that's a good second half to the season.
In comparison, Ole took over when we were 6th and finished 6th, and that was good enough apparently?
Tuchel is a quality coach who has changed and improved this Chelsea side in a very short space of space. Again in comparison, we will see our manager take charge in his 4th campaign and we still look like strangers on the pitch.
It's crazy, it seems to be the fans who back Ole who have no time for Tuchel? Trololo, you didn't see anything special about Dortmund or PSG? What about Cardiff and Molde?
10.) 29 May 2021 15:07:22
i mean he did win the league titles back to back while incharge there.
And i can't remember who was leading psg when we knocked em out of the champs league with Ole just havin taken the charge at united.
Oh memory, you trickster mistress :D.
11.) 29 May 2021 16:17:29
Mumbles you should really try reading what I post.
I didn't say I was satisfied with Ole, I said Tuchel isn't anything special and he really isnt.
If he doesn't win CL he will be labeled as a loser manager, as he lost 2 CL finals and final vs Leicester.
Ole took over when we were 6th and now we are 2nd, why don't you look at it like that?
{Ed014's Note - what are you labelled if you lose 4 semi finals, a final and get a club relegated?
12.) 29 May 2021 16:18:37
I do cheer for Chelsea to win though, just to put it out.
13.) 29 May 2021 16:31:31
Interesting tuchel lost his old team the title 6 months after he left. he's also managed to get to back to back champions league finals with 2 teams!
Not saying he's the next big thing but certainly better than our manager. Also managed to stamp his identity on chelsea and get players that were seen as not wanted under lamps playing well within 6 months.
Not bad if u ask me, considering in our squad our manager manages to get performances out of about 15 of them.
Also has ole managed to get 90mins of football out of the team since he's been there?
14.) 29 May 2021 17:04:49
Trololo, apologies I just assumed. How would you sum up our own managers tenure so far and where do you think he can take us?
15.) 29 May 2021 18:10:28
me too @trololo come on chelskisssss!
16.) 29 May 2021 17:11:05
Again, Ed, I never compared Tuchel to Ole, I just said he isn't anything special.
If you want to compare, Ole finished 2nd, Tuchel 4th, while getting fired at PSG. He got to 2 finals, lost 1, if he loses a 2nd, he will be labeled as loser, same as Ole for his semi finals and finals achievement.
W16 check the amount of points and table placement while Tuchel was in charge.
Again, I wasnt comparing the two, I was saying I don't rate Tuchel as top manager at all.
{Ed014's Note - I asked you what you’d call a manager who has lost 4 semi finals a final and got a club relegated.
Made no mention of a comparison fella, so what’s the answer?
17.) 29 May 2021 17:27:47
Lemme ask klopp ed! he did lose what 6 or 7 finals before he won one, I'm sure you'd agree losing 6 or 7 finals is far worse than losing 4 semis right? . i'll get right back to you!
{Ed014's Note - fella if you want to put other managers down to make yours seem better, knock yourself out! 🤦â€â™‚ï¸
18.) 29 May 2021 18:30:07
On the contrary ed! i wasnt putting klopp down, he is clearly one of the better managers in the game rn! My point was, he lost several finals before winning one!
by the by you do agree with me right? losing 6 finals is worse than losing 4 semis?
{Ed014's Note - brilliant, well get back to me when Ole wins something, you know, like the Premier League or Champions league. I’ll wait.
19.) 29 May 2021 19:08:54
Klopp's teams played scintillating football. In Germany as well as in England.
Ole's teams play like absolute dross, bores the fans to death.
20.) 29 May 2021 19:12:34
Raconteur, you must be thinking of a different klopp because he won two leagues back to back and a cup final in Germany before embarking on the 6 losses in cup finals.
Is it a different klopp you are talking about? Because h
Judge had already proved himself beyond all considerable doubt we'll before he managed to get to another 7 finals 🤦â€â™‚ï¸.
21.) 29 May 2021 19:26:34
Not obsessed about united at all. Nor was I comparing managers or stating I think Tuchel is a messiah. I still have questions in regards to our own attacking play, and as well as we’ve played in a back 5 I do think we need to switch to a back 4 to build to be a top top side IMO. I came to gauge how united fans thought OGS was doing. From what I’ve seen (I wouldn’t call you lucky) but the amount of times you’ve gone behind in matches and your struggles to break down low blocks, I was just interested in a normal dialogue.
22.) 29 May 2021 19:27:13
I was not undermining klopp @angel. i think you didn't follow the context of my comments, or maybe i just worded them too poorly.
Also, technically, and i can't stress that enough, so i repeat, technically Ole won two back to back league titles in norway too ;)
23.) 29 May 2021 19:27:17
Again Ed, you are asking me about Ole, while I haven't said anything about him.
But if you want an answer, i'd call him a looser too, same as Tuchel.
I did have some kind of understanding for Ole for some time, but I clearly can't say he has a winner mentality when he subs Greenwood for Fred or smth like that.
{Ed014's Note - unfortunately you did mention Ole but let’s just brush over that hey.
24.) 29 May 2021 20:00:29
I havent, at least not in my original comment.
I was Ole in, I have to admit, but opinions do change. I wasnt happy with that final at all.
Anyway, my original answer was directed to Tuchel, not anyone else. i'm not convinced with Tuchel at all and i'm not worries with Chelsea while Tuchel is their manager, that's all.
25.) 29 May 2021 20:08:40
Mumbles, I have just seen your comment. As I said earlier, I was Ole in, but I too am dissapointed.
Mostly with his cowerdly subs and tactics.
I would rate his tenure with good in the beggining, and being scared to risk in the end, which cost us tropheys.
I don't know who would be the best choice for us, but it wouldn't be Tuchel.
26.) 30 May 2021 07:16:44
Trololo
Tuchel is a European Cup winning coach after 6 months, Ole relegated Cardiff and plays the worst football since Sexton.
Tuchel, another top coach United have missed out on whilst emotional over Ole. The board are useless.
04 Nov 2016 22:48:02
According to Le Tissier, half your squad should be shown the exit. Thoughts?
1.) 04 Nov 2016 23:09:37
Seen his list and I agree other than keeping rooney for sentimental value, that is nonsense. Over the next 2 transfer windows I can see a huge clear out and incoming players of better quality. This time next year I think we'll be unrecognisable to the team that has been pretty dire so far this season.
2.) 05 Nov 2016 11:11:49
Where was he a couple of months ago when the window was actually open. lol some people makes me laugh.
14 Jul 2024 12:06:53
Shappy, Liverpool didn’t have massive FFP issues like Utd does to start, they also didn’t need an entire new squad like United either and both Henderson and Fabinho (for good fees) left a little unexpectedly which meant a big overhaul. I don’t know how close to the bread line United are but it would take summer spend to £200m including Zirkhzee. Would also mean keeping all current midfield options of Casemiro, McTominay and Erickson no?
If that’s what the board want to do, ie do it in stages fair play but I don’t see it working that well.
13 Jul 2024 18:44:09
Spending north of £150m to buy 3 CB’s doesn’t seem likely.
09 Jul 2024 14:56:28
GDS2, City have 4 CB’s in Ake, Dias, Stones and Akanji. Ake plays at LB a lot though so you could say they have 3 CB’s. City also need more HG players so I imagine they’ll be targeting them for CB and replacements for KDB/ Silva and K. Phillips as and when they leave.
08 Jul 2024 22:57:31
MancMan, Marseille would likely only be able to offer a loan or €20-30m max for Rashford given the general financial situation of the French league.
02 Jul 2024 18:22:59
Is Kompany a great judge of talent though Shappy? He got his chosen signings last year at Burnley and they all pretty much flopped.
Pretty sure it’s been said the sale would only be sanctioned to raise money. If the choice is sell De Ligt or Musiala who do you sell etc? Some players don’t fit with certain managers styles or need a certain chemistry with other players to shine.
17 Jul 2024 22:04:24
Spenno you say MDL, Yoro and Licha would all get similar starts as the stats you listed but actually the lack of consistency at the back was a part of the poor season. Arsenal had the best defence last season and Saliba played 38 PL and Gabriel 36. If Utd want to be up there challenging or in the top 4 then that’s the sort of consistency required. If Licha is past his injury woes, and given MDL is on €300k/ w atm at Bayern and wouldn’t join for much less if not more, then you’d expect both to play 90% of games no?
06 Jul 2024 18:28:25
RewZ, how much do you think Fernandes would go for? £200m? That’s roughly the current price for Neves and Simons with Benfica and PSG both wanting around £100m for them. Not sure the fee for Fernandes would even be £80m tbh although you can never tell with ME teams.
05 Jul 2024 01:13:37
Buying both Joao Neves and Ruben Neves? 4 LB’s and 6 CB’s?
30 Jun 2024 14:38:38
DonRed, I fail to see how both are at their extreme upper ends of what’s to be expected. A quick google search shows that Burnley (a promoted team) had a bid of £31.5m accepted last summer. The fact that BD accepted a £35m clause in the loan sets his value for this summer. On top of all that Home Grown players always have a premium on them. United paid £30m for an 18 year old Luke Shaw 10 years ago. Given the way transfer fees have gone over the last 10 years, if you were to be buying a 18 y/ o LS today he’d probably cost £50-60m. In fact United paid £50m for AWB 5 years ago. So if taken into context, a 22 y/ o HG LB for less than £40m is actually quite a fair deal.
Again when Chelsea paid £20m for Carney 2 years ago there was no one crying foul and saying they were manipulating the market. And Chelsea actually enquired about buying Kellyman at the same time as they bought Carney, so their interest in him has been long term.
What does the difference in values between Maatsen and Kellyman have to do with anything? If United buy Branthwaite for £60m and sell Everton either AWB or Lindelof for £15m should they be investigated? Not sure what’s being clutched more; straws or your pearls.
30 Jun 2024 00:33:06
Even if Everton were interested in Lindelof or AWB, both players earn over double what they pay Branthwaite. They literally couldn’t afford the wages for either of them. Would likely require Utd to pay half of their wages for the final year of their deals.