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09 Dec 2019 18:39:19
Someone on suggested that we sell Pogba to real Madrid for some money and ask for Martin odegaard in return.

Would you be open to that?
Odegaard is Norwegian and from what I've heard he's been carrying sociedad team.

I'm tired of Pogba
either being injured, posting useless posts saying they'll come back stronger, misplace 100s of passes, or his agent dropping stories of him leaving.

He hasn't worked out for quite a few years now, and maybe he is more suited to a league like Madrid and probably more happy with more money, better city and a paparazzi club.

I would love to take odegaard of Madrid's hands.

Ideally if we sign replacements and let Pogba, Matic, Mata, Jones, Rojo and Sanchez out and get 3-4 quality players with Smalling back in the squad it would help us a lot in terms of getting all the overpaid/ average lot out.

I would still keep Ashley young for 1 more season as he has a better fitness record than all of our fullbacks.
Plus he seems like a good professional who might have 1 last season left in him for 7-8 games in Europa league.
Shaw will stay because he's British.
Laird, Dalot more involved.

rohanarora8

{Ed002's Note - No that is not the plan.}


1.) 09 Dec 2019 19:23:42
To be honest I think Odegaard is why Madrid are backing away from Pogba. They have done good young talent at Madrid, a few out on loan. Maybe it'll end in tears because its Madrid but they do have some seriously good prospects.


2.) 09 Dec 2019 19:39:19
but does odegaard get shirt sales?


3.) 09 Dec 2019 19:23:17
Thanks Ed. could you tell us what's planned then? Appreciate as always.


4.) 09 Dec 2019 23:18:34
The plan is for them to offer us cash plus players bbs


The ed did a post not long ago


Off the top off my head it was kroos bale james isco.


Cant remember who else.


5.) 09 Dec 2019 23:30:13
Ed002 as i was reading down the OP
i was wondering)
1 if you would reply
2 how short the reply would be
3 would i laugh
2 outta 3 ain't bad.
On a serious note i think you have said there will be a bid from juve with players plus fee.
Do you think madrid will also bid in jan.
And do you know if united hold an interest in any of the players that may possibly be offered by either club?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a question, plain English works best.}


6.) 10 Dec 2019 09:43:35
I would personally steer clear of player like Odegaard, he has found his level at Sociedad, very similar to Zaha playing for Crystal Palace and doing just fine.

Pogba is a luxury that we cannot afford now, but saying he is all negative is a bit harsh. Without him we still lack any creativity in midfield which is evident when we play teams that sit back and defend, nobody knows if he really a bad influence in the dressing room or its just bad press majority of the time.

As for his injuries, it happens to all the players, what will you call Martial then?

{Ed047's Note - the problem with Pogba is he rarely shows up, maybe like Odegaard his true level is Italy or Spain and the Premier League is just too much for him.

You need a midfielder who turns up every game and given the opportunity I’d swap him out for any of City’s midfielders and most of Liverpool’s.

He really is a waste of a shirt for you guys. What will you honestly miss about him when he’s gone. He hung of better players coat tails in winning in Italy and for France.


7.) 10 Dec 2019 10:11:31
He is decent whenever he plays, inconsistent but he is the best creative midfielder we have. let's see how he does not when we have our fully functioning front 3.
13 goals 9 assists last season for a midfielder is just too good, dare someone says most of them were penalties as for UTD players even taking penalties is a huge task.
Also unless we have a very good replacement lined up i don't think we should get rid of him.


8.) 10 Dec 2019 10:48:20
becks you must see something i dont. i just see a half arsed player who thinks he is better than he is.


9.) 10 Dec 2019 11:37:30
That half arsed guy has been more creative than any other full arsed player tbh. But again if we get a quality replacement i am fine with him leaving. Madison being the first choice.


10.) 10 Dec 2019 14:05:07
Pretty sure half of pogba goals for us have been penalties last season.


11.) 10 Dec 2019 15:43:22
This is what happens when you skip a few posts.


12.) 10 Dec 2019 22:03:51
Red whiskey😂😂 quality.


13.) 12 Dec 2019 18:51:08
Odegaard hasn't been good since FM15.


 

 

11 Apr 2017 08:41:04
We've let a lot of decent players leave and replaced with lesser quality players. I think Zaha is a brilliant dribbler, a typical SAF winger, but is his crossing upto the mark?
Does he want to move again to United and play under Jose who doesn't play youth very much.
I think he'll leave for Spurs, Liverpool, City than us.

rohanarora8

1.) 11 Apr 2017 10:31:59
MOTD Fever, Rohan? Your first line reads "decent players leave and replaced with lesse quality" and then you add on to say Zaha. Is he really United standard? Here we are, talking of players like Sanchez/ Griezmann/ Belotti etc. Why would you want Zaha anywhere near the team?


2.) 11 Apr 2017 11:19:41
Yh zaha very inconsistent on his day he's unbelievable but nowhere near good enough.


3.) 11 Apr 2017 22:28:08
Zaha? Really? I'm speechless.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes talented eric, i know it never worked out for him at united but feel that was more to do with walloping moyes,s daughter than football ability mate.. :)


4.) 12 Apr 2017 12:24:11
I'm not saying per say we should sign him.


5.) 12 Apr 2017 23:28:27
Ha - good point Ed. There was always that rumour flying around.


 

 

17 Mar 2017 16:01:32
Youri Tielemans to play at OT.
Yes. Anderlecht vs United in the Europa league.
Ronnie must be the most pleased of all and finally we all posters get to see what the deal is about that guy.
PS Herrera in his post match said that Pogba wasn't that badly injured.

rohanarora8

 

 

14 Mar 2017 17:34:06
Looking at the last 16 and the possible 8, when we qualify for the quarter finals in the Europa league.
There aren't any clubs that strike fear and looks as favourites.
The only sides I see as threatening are Celta da Vigo, Lyon and Roma.
Celts because they have been terrific in cup competitions and knock Madrid out in 2 legs.

One of Lyon and Roma will progress and both of them are free scorers.
Nobody apart from that. I fancy us beating Besiktas, Anderlecht etc.
Personally I'd love a tie against Anderlecht and see wtf is Youri Tielemans about if we progress.

rohanarora8

1.) 15 Mar 2017 08:10:32
When? I wouldn't back us to beat anybody at the moment. I think "if" was the word you were looking for.


2.) 16 Mar 2017 22:23:16
I want Lyon or Schalke get them out of the way. I do not fear anyone in this competition. You have to beat the best to win!


 

 

12 Mar 2017 12:59:37
I'm not sure, but newspapers reporting Lingard had 1 year to run down on his current contract.
Do you guys rate him, does he deserve to be paid and be part of the first team?
I disagree, and would want to sell him to anyone who pays well. He scores at Wembley, and he helps the team, but is nowhere near the quality we need. He misses sitters, and I personally hate his social media stuff. He's just a poor Ji-Sung Park in my book.

rohanarora8

1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:15:53
He's a squad player who lacks consistency. Some games he makes an impact; others he drifts along.
I'd offer him s new contract as he can play on both wings and in the number 10 position. Mourinho may yet work his magic with him.


2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:39:24
Spent this season hoping he would have an impact but it hasn't happened. Not sure about him on the wings as he always comes inside and we are left without any width.

I thought his best position was as a 10. But he played there for England once and his performance got ripped to shreds by whoever was the pundit that day. Also, we have loads of players that can play as a 10. Still not sure whether he will ever establish himself as a 1st team regular.


3.) 12 Mar 2017 14:05:39
Jesse Lingard is a Red, born and raised and is living the dream of any fan. One of our own.

A number of fans a quick to criticize him and i believe it is because we didn't spend £30m on him and he isn't a foreign FM wonderkid.

How many people on here where creaming themselves over Depay and then saying he needs more chances. Same for Martial.

He could be inconsistent because he only plays 1 in 4 games. But remember he is only getting a game because Martial, Mhiki, Mata or Rooney haven't been doing it. So you should direct the criticism in their direction.

He is an impact player and squad player. Sometimes he makes and impact sometimes he doesn't. But he has won.

There are players to go before Jesse and he will be needed next season.

He deserves a £70k a week contract with fees and bonus he'd touch 100k. He didn't cost anything and this isn't FIFA.

Also how many would take Welbeck back? I personally would and at the time was happy when we sold him. Live and learn.


4.) 12 Mar 2017 14:35:59
He's rubbish. OK he scored the winner in the League Cup Final but apart from that he's dreadful. Oh yeah there was the winner in the Community Shield but other than that, nothing. Apart from the winning goal in the FA Cup Final. But other than those winning goals that secured us trophies he's just a poor man's Ralph Milne.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 19:47:49
LOL AJH.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 20:02:13
"I personally hate his social media stuff. "
The way I think which you could get over this is by not following his social media?

I would keep him as squad player 100%.


7.) 12 Mar 2017 20:13:49
Jesse should 100% stay, he gets more game time than Rooney and has probably been more influencial over the course of the season.

He's home grown and red to the core, why the hell would we sell one of our own, especially one who offers so much?

Football is a squad game, and he is a vital member of our squad. Why do you think Arsenal and Spurs are supposedly interested in him?


8.) 12 Mar 2017 20:43:33
No way should be be sold. Good versatile squad player. English, home grown and well worth his place in a 25 mam squad imo.


9.) 12 Mar 2017 21:22:58
AJH 😂😂.


10.) 12 Mar 2017 23:04:20
With Ken on this one, a good squad rotation player, only way I sell him if we get a ridiculous offer that's too go to refuse.


11.) 13 Mar 2017 00:28:56
Not good enough in my opinion. Sell him!


12.) 13 Mar 2017 17:22:30
Aside from score a goal, can anyone remember anything else he has done this season?


13.) 13 Mar 2017 18:27:12
What did th rain mans ever do for us? How about his first time cross on the run Beast? Can you remember anything Pogba has done this season?


14.) 13 Mar 2017 18:32:04
That should be Romans, obvs.


15.) 14 Mar 2017 01:21:05
Good squad player imo. Bred red, but so was welbeck.
The only way i would sell him is if we going to buy big in summer. We still have andreas prerira coming back too. he's bred red but we shouldn't make this too big a factor. Kid got eye for goal. A no10 in my eyes. Not quick enough for the wings. i'm a huge andreas fan, and believe he has great potential. Jus don't know how much game time him and lingard can get if they both stay.


 

 

 

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08 Oct 2021 09:15:56
With Newcastle becoming supremely rich now and with historical actual supporters that will fill a stadium and support the team.
I can see them having a few really good transfer windows.
Which makes me think, can we be a little smart and sell 1 or 2 of our players to them.
Martial to Newcastle would make a lot of sense to me.
Maybe even Lingard, as I think Newcastle is close to Manchester, correct me If I'm wrong as I'm not from UK.
Perhaps Dean Henderson?
I think this is the time to get good money for some of our fringe players.
Newcastle won't come out and sign the best players from the go, they will go a similar man City trajectory with good PL players first and then 1 odd potential top class player.
Still think Newcastle will have a better pull than maybe man City had when they started.
Come on United, sell Martial, Lingard + Henderson for a combined 80-90m and invest it on Ndidi.

rohanarora8

1.) 08 Oct 2021 09:44:24
Newcastle is not close to Manchester, its on the other side of the country, perched on the edge of the North Sea. Its actually closer to Glasgow than Manchester.
Reports say the new owners of Newcastle will spend around £200million over the next 3 years, these days what does that get you.


2.) 08 Oct 2021 09:52:26
Rohan,

Newcastle is at least a 2.5 hour drive from Manchester, depending which bit of Manchester you start from.

I am most interested to see which manager they get and that likely will tell us the direction and which players they want. They may start at a lower level of players but if they get a good manager they could be quite interesting in a year or two. Talk is of Rodgers. Yet I wonder about Mancini the Italy manager who mentioned about a return to club management recently, experience at City in a similar period of investment as well.

Whilst our owners do what they do, we now have a Newcastle club, a single club City, very well supported and now with ultimate wealth. If I was our board I would be worried looking forward in two years that top 4 is going to be tough given the structure and incumbents we have in key positions.

Players will probably want more money to go up there, but some will. Just look back at what City did and the curve they went on. Martial would be a good start.


3.) 08 Oct 2021 10:31:09
Newcastle 1 Human rights abuses 0.


4.) 08 Oct 2021 13:51:06
I'm delighted for Newcastle. Big club good stadium good fans my 2nd team i'd love to see them have some success and even win a title.
Great project for the right manager.


5.) 08 Oct 2021 14:01:09
Remember Tino Asprilla - loved watching him. They used to attract a few flare players to Newcastle and middlesboro.


6.) 08 Oct 2021 14:05:49
I don't know how to feel about it. I love football but these type of takeovers don't sit well with me. The money involved in what is just a game, doesn't balance with so many people struggling. I don't know?


7.) 08 Oct 2021 14:08:56
Yeah DB they did. Newcastle got close but boro never did although they got to a couple of cup finals.
Great part of the country for football but the region has been starved of success for decades.
Great for the area and I'm sure it will take a bit of time but they will build something good up there i hope.


8.) 08 Oct 2021 14:25:18
Banjoe the wheels of industry still keep turning no matter how difficult it is for some.
Its big money and can seem to be a bit crass given the poverty about but the market dictated the price.
I'm sure Newcastle fans are delighted.
Of course there are some that will point the finger at the morality of the new owners. That's fine with me people will have their opinions. I'm sure they are all saints and don't use any of the products that line the pockets of the people they condemn.


9.) 08 Oct 2021 14:50:53
I'm not too sure newcastle would have any interest in martial they may feel they have a better player from the left in maximin and a striker who would get more goals in Wilson.
They have lots of areas of the pitch where they are very weak to address more urgently I'd have thought but who knows.


10.) 08 Oct 2021 15:16:24
I hope it works out well for Newcastle Ken, they are due their shot at some glory. I guess when I see olympians return to cleaning jobs and such, the wealth of football seems a bit obscene. But I'll still watch football and cheer for utd, so I guess I'm part of the whole thing.


11.) 08 Oct 2021 15:53:51
Listen mate I hear you i don't disagree the money is it of whack with what's reality for most but tesco make 100s of millions in profits from selling poor people their groceries. Its around us every day but just not spleen about like football is.


12.) 08 Oct 2021 16:24:13
Wow, CIA report the Saudi fella gave the word for the Journalist to be mudered, the journalists wife says she saw a report whereby he was dismembered while he was still alive but let's not worry about that we can get a new centre half out of it. Football fans . dear oh dear.


13.) 08 Oct 2021 16:37:29
Pendant won't stop you being on an aeroplane fuelled by them to go on holiday bfbw.
Your lining their pockets everyday is my guess so you think about the journalist when your filling your car? I'd say most people don't as it's inconvenient to them.


14.) 08 Oct 2021 17:09:59
Really Ken? Because I buy petrol I therefore condone what has happened -btw does all the petrol in UK come from S. A, I should ask at every garage if they know the origin of the fuel before i fill my tank?

If you think its OK for the situation to be allowed by the F. A then that's fine, I dont.


15.) 08 Oct 2021 18:04:29
Bfbw my point is I would never condone some of their actions but life goes on we all use their products either through need or choice. But we don't ban germany because they invaded Poland 80 years ago and lots of countries with dodgy backgrounds ethics and morals play football.


16.) 08 Oct 2021 18:06:14
I am sorry but most simply do not have the right to question Saudi's morals. The Brits did it for centuries and still doing it in Middle East.


17.) 08 Oct 2021 18:37:53
I hear you Ken - just wandering what the Premier League’s “fit and proper” criteria is vis buying a football club? Flexible . .


18.) 08 Oct 2021 19:36:20
UA,

That’s an interesting way to look at the situation, not sure judging how people behave on how others behaved centuries ago is the right way to be, things that people said 10 years ago wouldn’t be ok now, thinks change quite quickly, each to their own though.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah it's been a right few hundreds of years since Britain done anything wrong ?‍♂️


19.) 08 Oct 2021 20:08:17
Not hundreds of years ago. Two years. Khashoggi murdered on his say so. Perfectly fit my arse.


20.) 08 Oct 2021 20:08:41
To be fair Ed, it's been a while since Britain publicly beheaded our own citizens or flogged homosexuals. And the post concerned SA, not Britain. If a thread starts on the current UK govt, I'd have plenty to criticise or judge them for too.

{Ed007's Note - The thread wouldn't just be about the current UK government's - it would be about a succession of them who have committed war crimes all over the world and ruined where we live.
We might not flog homosexuals but have a read at THIS.


21.) 08 Oct 2021 20:14:47
Let's not make a list 007 it's not the page for politics.

{Ed007's Note - Well people shouldn't bring it up, Ken. You can't be against certain things and calling out certain countries or nations without accepting - and calling out -what is Britain has done and continues to do in other countries and even to our own people within the UK.
Yeah what goes on in places in the Middle East that are shocking but there's things that go in the the UK just as bad.}


22.) 08 Oct 2021 20:41:45
You don't have to tell me that mate.
I sometimes wonder what the history curriculum is in English schools. That's not to even mention the present.

{Ed007's Note - History is written by the victors....


23.) 08 Oct 2021 20:58:58
No country has a lily-white history, Bond, most certainly not Britain. That doesn't mean we, as private citizens, can't judge the actions of other current govts for their behaviour today, if it falls outside civilised norms. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.


24.) 09 Oct 2021 08:46:18
Spot on Stevie.


25.) 09 Oct 2021 09:07:55
Not lived in an occupied state much then gds2 have you.


26.) 09 Oct 2021 09:08:23
Bringing this back on thread - a cheeky £70m offer for Lingard and Martial from Newcastle would be a good start.


27.) 09 Oct 2021 09:42:16
Tbe British Government isn't buying a Premier League club so its past atrocities are not relevant.

The Saudi Government now owns Newcastle and the Abu Dhabi Government owns City.

Both Governments have appalling human rights records and to consider them 'fit and proper' is ridiculous.


28.) 09 Oct 2021 09:51:33
Eric, give them a 50% flat off if they take Ole along?

{Ed014's Note - I’m sure their new owners will be switched on as to how shite that trio are.

More your Notts Forest level right now those 3 dopes.


29.) 09 Oct 2021 10:53:06
Notts County more like ed014.

{Ed014's Note - yes I was probably being a little unfair on Forest Ken ?


30.) 09 Oct 2021 11:35:14
Just me Ken? I agreed with Stevie, maybe it’s him you need to take it up with? This is getting a bit scary now.


31.) 09 Oct 2021 11:37:21
As a private citizen, I can question, criticise and judge the actions of my own govt. And as a private citizen, I can certainly question, criticise and judge the actions of any nation that beheads it's citizens, chops up journalists, still treats women as second class citizens, and imprisons, flogs and chemically castrates citizens who dare to be gay. I haven't done any of those things recently, or committed any other atrocities as far as I know, so yeah, I can judge them.


 

 

06 Oct 2021 21:38:29
Rashford played a closed door friendly and scored 2 goals. I think we've been missing rashford a bit. He's far more consistent out wide than the players we are playing with right now. There have been quite a few instances when he has come up with the most important goal of the game. He's finally fully fit, and even Henderson has said that he looks in really good shape. We have not seen a fully fit rashford for sometime and I'll be excited to see him again.

Fred won't be available for Leicester which is always a good news.

rohanarora8

1.) 06 Oct 2021 21:51:53
If Rashford is fully fit then he can be the difference maker.

While Pogba has had a couple of good games wide left he isn't the sort of constant threat that Rashford is. He also has a tendency to slow attacks down rather than speed them up.

Rashford on the left and at his best with Greenwood in his current form on the right and Ronaldo up front seems a mouthwatering prospect.

Let's hope we see it. Maybe Rashford coming back is the catalyst that gets the team playing well enough to keep Ole in his job at least until the end of the season. I wonder if anyone would be watching Rashford make the difference through gritted teeth.


2.) 06 Oct 2021 22:26:16
Shappy

Rashford is good on fast breaks, given we are playing the top teams in the coming weeks, having him to hit on counter attacks may be useful. So you have Rashford, Ron and Greenwood as a front 3? What happens to Sancho, Pogba, DVB? We have what £200m worth sat on the bench, is that good use of what we have bought?

When we look at it, without thinking
Henderson was to be No1, changed our mind
AWB, £50m RB, we are now looking for another
Sancho, £73m, having spent £37m on Amad, £10m on Pellestri, having Shoretire, Elanga, plus Greenwood we still spent £73m
Cavani, Push boat out to get him to sign, sign Ronaldo and make him give up shirt.

Is this all joined up thinking and tactical nous?


3.) 06 Oct 2021 22:36:41
Shappy I don't understand where you stand.
You have said today you think ole should not be the manager.
But in this thread you say hopefully rash coming back we will show enough form that ole keeps his job till the end of the year.
So where do you stand?
Do you think ole should be fired or not?
I don't want to know what you think the board will do. What would you like them to do?
I'm just curious because you are contradicting yourself.


4.) 06 Oct 2021 22:57:31
Red man, you could put any 11 players in a team and play the same game adnausium. Surely you are happy to see a strong squad? We have countless games coming that will be mid week, then weekend against top teams. Not to speak of Christmas and injuries.

Would you like rash and Greenwood cast aside because they were cheap through the youth system?

Chelsea had an eye watering amount of loan talent out on loan that was getting no Chelsea game time. This past summer they sold them all for profit and funded first team purchases. Looked pretty smart in the end?

Youth development is a lottery, and all the big squads seem to buy control of as many good players as they can, then hopefully some work out. Others are sold for cash. Others decide to leave for free.


5.) 07 Oct 2021 01:10:05
Red Man, so you think price tag should be an indication of who should play?

I assume you disagreed with Sir Alex benching Veron in place of Scholes who came through the academy and Keane who cost just under 4m. Surely the 28m man sitting on the bench means Sir Alex was picking the wrong team.

I find this stance confusing considering you as such an advocate for the academy and for the club bringing through young players. How do you expect our academy lads to prosper when it is the transfer fee paid that dictates the starting line up.

Greenwood and Rashford should be benched in place of the 80m Sancho and the 89m Pogba. What happened to allowing form and ability to decide who plays and who sits on the bench.

I've said I think the in-form players should be the ones starting. Surely that isn't a shocking statement and one that needs to be heavily scrutinised?

Ken, I might be playing devils advocate there. I think sadly it has come to the point where Ole is no longer able to get the best or at least par out of the players he has. As such it is time for him to go, and the sooner the better. The longer things get dragged out now the less chance we have of having a successful season this year.

I don't think the board will pull the trigger for many months yet. They have never shown themselves to be decisive. Having watched us over the past few years Ole often has tough periods and just when it looks like the net is closing in on him something happens, a couple of players find form, and the club goes on a winning streak and Ole is saved.

Rashford could be that player who enables the club to have a good run of results and ultimately starve off any chance of Ole getting sacked before the end of the season.

If that happens will people be happy that we are winning key games, or will they be so through gritted teeth as it means months more, probably the rest of the season with Ole.

Are people so desperate for Ole to go that they are willing to accept (never happy or wanting) that the club will likely have to lose 5 or 6 of the next 6 or 7 games to see the back of him before next summer.

I mean it puts fans in a difficult position. If you want the manager sacked then we need to play badly and get poor results. Yet if we play well and get good results where does that leave fans, happy or upset?


6.) 07 Oct 2021 02:08:52
It’s possible to not think he’s the right manager but also want the team we love to win games, would be odd for any fan to be ok with us losing, surely everyone wants Rashford to come back fit and firing.


7.) 07 Oct 2021 06:21:39
Its not any winning a few more games its about winning titles. Rash has played nearly all oles games for 2 1/ 2 years before this season. He can make a difference when back but not enough.
Shappy you play devils advocate on everything that's why you contradict yourself too much. Your like a lad who talks too much in a commercial meeting just to make noise and be heard but ultimately will start contradict himself.
If you think ole should be fired say it and stop playing devils advocate. Nobody wants us to lose games so get the chants going now get him out and we can still win something this year.


8.) 07 Oct 2021 06:38:21
Or shappy maybe Sancho on the right, ya know where he was signed to play.


9.) 07 Oct 2021 06:49:14
Looks to me Ken, like Shappy wants to court acceptance, be right with everyone, all things to all people.

Shappy/ Dodgy

You miss the point, you already know I am a big advocate of our youth and have expressed my frustration about Ole not giving them a chance, I was particularly critical on the West Ham game. My point is that we bought players for big money because Ole couldn’t get a tune out of what we had. Ole has over £100m bought for him in right wingers, yet suddenly discovers Greenwood has talent and is first choice. When Ole went with his shopping list to the board, he must have had priorities, known which way he wanted to play (or did he) . The board bought him 3 right side players, now it seems according to you, he didn’t actually need them. I questioned Sancho given we had Greenwood but now what happens?

Ole wanted a right back, AWB, now that’s no good, wanted a midfield player DVB gets treated terribly and is now no good. Romero, Cavani, Pellestri told he was wanted for the first team immediately (because we had a right wing problem) then shipped out.

How long before you both twig the issue is with Ole for not being able to manage and develop the players that are being bought. You both miss the mess the ex Cardiff manager is creating.


10.) 07 Oct 2021 07:54:29
"Are people so desperate for Ole to go that they are willing to accept (never happy or wanting) that the club will likely have to lose 5 or 6 of the next 6 or 7 games to see the back of him before next summer? "

Yes but I'm afraid of what might follow. It will be hard to get someone who is already in a job midseason and thst could mean the only options are someone vho is
Isnt like Conte.

Unless they appoint Carrick as a caretaker but then they will probably appoint him permanently mid season and we are back to square one.

Hobsons choice really.


11.) 07 Oct 2021 08:00:42
Red Man, have you read the replies to my posts. If I was trying to "court acceptance" then I've been doing it very poorly. I've never posted on here for popularity. I just enjoy expressing my opinion and having discussions with other fans of our club. I have actually said on many occasions that it would be very boring if everyone agreed with everything I said/ thought.

I'd imagine the signing of AWB was brought about not because he couldn't get a tune out of the existing RB's but because the only one we had on the books was a 19 year old Dalot.

He gave Williams a long run in the team. In fact the only reason Williams dropped out the side was because his level dropped off while other options found form. Surely there is nothing wrong with expecting players to earn their place in the side be that they came from the academy or where purchased.

I think it's well known Ole wanted Grealish, the club got Donny. Ole has given him a few chances (admittedly not many) and on the whole he has been fairly average it poor in most of those chances. People complain that he only got 5-10 minutes here and there, but that was all Greenwood got to start with.

Jose wanted a midfielder and a defender in his final window. He didn't get the defender and was offered Fred. He took him. Then hardly played him. Ultimately it's fair to say Fred wasn't the player Jose really wanted. It might also be fair to say that Donny wasn't the midfielder Ole really wanted.

Not all signings work out well, surely the billion pounds spent by our club over the past 8 years prove that.

The club wanted another RB this summer to replace Dalot, not AWB. Similar to them signing Telles last summer. A top class player to challenge the current option. I suppose it's called squad building. Not all signings are going to play immediately in the first team, and all first 11 spots are and should be decided on current form and nothing else.


12.) 07 Oct 2021 08:03:02
RedWhiskey, forget the fees and the hype.

Based purely on what you have seen from them this season who would you pick as most in-form player for the RW spot, Greenwood or Sancho?

We signed Telles for LB, but Shaw upped his game and deserves to start ahead of him.

If Greenwood is the better and more effective option on the RW then why should Sancho start ahead of him?


13.) 07 Oct 2021 08:16:22
Because sancho hasn't had the minutes or right set up to thrive yet. But the again is he ever going to get that set up with muggins as manager? Greenwood is in form but he still needs to be managed.


14.) 07 Oct 2021 08:18:30
Shappy

The thing with the written word is that once written it’s there and we can see it. Ken nailed it, you wanted Ole gone yesterday but then today hope Rashford does well enough to keep ole in the job. You then write the latest post saying basically it’s not Oles fault because he didn’t get the players he wanted. Half a billion and Ole still can’t get a tune. Like Ken said, what is your position, your real position?


15.) 07 Oct 2021 09:30:07
Shappy is Keir Starmer in disguise.


16.) 07 Oct 2021 09:59:30
RedWhiskey, Do you believe a team should change for one player or should the new player adapt to the team? While you may not be a fan of the current set up, Sancho very much needs to adapt to it.

I've said before that I think Sancho will come good in the second half of the season, and I've given my reasons for that.


17.) 07 Oct 2021 10:40:08
Shappy, neither.

If you are needing to change the team for one player then it clearly points that Ole doesn't have a system/ structure in place.

And it's the responsibility of the manager to integrate new or existing players into the team and do what's best to improve the team. He needs to guide players finding it difficult to adapt or if they can't given enough opportunities then let them go.

Right now, it all seems to be down to the players themselves to improve their game. The coaching isn't of much help anyway.

Ole is like "You got signed now impress me".


18.) 07 Oct 2021 10:42:32
I wonder if Shappy and OGS have ever been seen in the same place at the same time……. just a thought!


19.) 07 Oct 2021 11:04:28
Red Man, I've already said I was playing devils advocate with the "keeping Ole in his job" line.

Of course I want Rashford to do well, I'd be a pretty poor supporter if I didn't want our players and manager to do well.

I'm saying there are mitigating circumstances in everything. I'd have thought you'd jumped on my line about Jose not being to blame for Fred struggling under him.

I actually don't think AWB has done that badly, just that I expect more from a full back at our club. He hasn't flopped or been terrible. He's a steady 6 out of 10 every week, occasionally a 7. He's consistent and solid. But we want more than just solid.

Donny hasn't set the world alight when given a chance.

At some point the players who are paid hundred of thousands of pounds a week have to take some responsibility for their performances surely. Just adding some context, although I'm sure you like to be a little contrary and place all the blame on Ole, although you didn't seem to want to place all the blame on the previous manager, odd that.

My position is simple. I have backed Ole while I felt he was getting around about par for the squad he had. In his first full season he finished 3rd with probably the 3rd or 4th best squad in the league. In his second season he finished 2nd with probably the 2nd/ 3rd best squad in the league. Yes, maybe the football could have been better. But he was getting the squad to finish around about where it should. Although not winning the Europa League was a disappointment.

We have since added at least 2 potentially 3 world class players to our squad. But have yet to see any improvement from last season. To me that suggests that he has peaked, he has built a squad better than what he can achieve. As such it is time for him to leave. Ideally as soon as possible.

Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world. For him to be sacked results will have to dictate that as football is a results driven industry. Which puts fans in a difficult position. Do we cheer the team on knowing that it will likely mean Ole stays for longer, or do we boo him in the hope of accelerating his exit. What would you do?


20.) 07 Oct 2021 11:23:58
Guys Shappy has been pro Ole from inception, so to expect him to suddenly change his stance on him now is almost impossible. The dilly dallying is just a delay tactic from Shappy. Deep down we all know that he wants nothing more than for Ole to start winning trophies, so he could tell us non believers "I told you so" followed by menacing grin, then evil laugh.


21.) 07 Oct 2021 12:13:17
Sorry I forgot what you say goes shappy.


22.) 07 Oct 2021 12:24:14
Love United, would you seriously be unhappy if we won the league, UCL or FA cup or maybe even all of them this season with Ole in charge?

I've never actually said "I told you so", also if Ole turns it around now after I have lost faith then I would have no right to say it either.

I've supported Ole since he was appointed, as I supported Moyes, and LvG and Jose. Right up until I felt they were not the right person for the job. I have done the same with Ole.

I know feel like he cannot take us any further forward. So time for a change. Ideally as soon as possible as I don't like the idea of writing off a season.

I however have absolutely no faith in the club to do the right thing. So fully expect Ole to stay in his post until next summer much like Ed002 does. Obviously things can change but for them to do so you would assume things would need to go pretty badly wrong between now and then to force a change in stance from the club.

I've said I'm not a fan of Conte or ZZ, but if either are appointed I'll support them until I feel they can't take the club any further forward or have started to take us backwards.

I suppose as a supporter I feel my role is to support the club. I don't have to agree with every decision and I won't hold my support hostage unless I get my way. I just accept that I get to have opinions on the club and nothing more. I don't get to make decisions or make demands. I can choose to be happy with what I see/ get from the club or unhappy. Either way I don't kid myself into thinking the people who run the club give a damn what I think.


23.) 07 Oct 2021 12:53:37
RedWhiskey, not at all my friend. I am waiting for you to give a good justification for why Sancho should start on the right ahead of an in form and performing Mason Greenwood?

Why does Sancho start in your ideal 11 ahead of Greenwood?


24.) 07 Oct 2021 14:10:48
There is not mitigating circumstances for everything shappy. You know that but say the opposite its mad zone some of the stuff you write.


25.) 07 Oct 2021 17:02:05
For the exact same reason everyone here is clamouring for DVB to play. How's he meant to get into the groove without gametime? There is going to be plenty of gametime for mason, trust me.


26.) 07 Oct 2021 19:35:09
Red Whiskey/ Shappy it totally makes sense to let new players have a run and they do definitely need it to help bed in, at the same time you also need results and need to play your best/ inform team so for me the error is playing pogba on the left. granted he had those assists so far.

With his contract situation, his contribution on the field since arriving, the drama and his efforts on the pitch has shown us enough of what he thinks and has produce for everyone to see. There can't be a future for club and pogba to excel together, so I think both Mason and sancho should be playing both are interchangeable giving us more fluidity and pace in and around Ronaldo and Bruno, playing to Brunos strengths and giving us slightly more width. Yes both Mason and Sancho would cut in side but generally near the oppositions box where pogba does it far deeper.

So your both kinda right if you both go half way to seeing each others points boys.


27.) 07 Oct 2021 19:36:10
Are people complaining about having a strong squad?


28.) 07 Oct 2021 19:56:53
Ken you're right there aren't always "mitigating circumstances" but there is always context.

Far to many people either lack the intelligence or nuance to understand context and appreciate why it's important. Or they would rather reduce something to a simplistic black or white, yes or no, heads or tails in or out choice as it suits their argument.

Ole is failing, is that entirely his fault? Probably not, just like when Jose failed it wasn't 100% his fault. But ultimately the manager always pays the price regardless of how much or how little they are to blame.

Ole is in a position he isn't good enough for, he did a good job for a while and certainly played his part in rebuilding the club after the fractious marriage with Mourinho came to an acrimonious end.

When he took over we were a side that was fractured, unbalanced, disjointed and struggling to consistently challenge in the top four.

We now have a side that should be comfortable top four side, that has a far better balanced squad, that has some real top level talent. A side that should be playing better football and at least challenging for the title into April at the very least. While also having a couple of good cup runs, maybe even win something.

Ole deserves some credit for turning that around. Other more qualified managers have struggled to do so.

But his style and mentality are suited to the former and not the latter. His fighting spirit, against the odds turn things around mentality has got us to where we are.

But to truly become a top side again we need to act like a top side. We need to strike fear into our opponents. We used to win games in the tunnel before kick off. We need to refind our arrogance and our flair, we have the players to play good maybe even great football.

Until we do we will continue to be nearly men, with our noses pressed up against the glass looking in at the teams challenging for major honours but just falling short ourselves.

That is why we need to replace Ole, the sooner the better now. But we both know that won't happen.


 

 

25 Sep 2021 21:35:17
I don't think Ole is going out anytime soon, but my simple suggestion to Ole is just do the simple things right.
Let's stop with this Hollywood ball crap and highlight reel goal fight.

Ole needs to go in the dressing room and one up everyone to all of the players who have become so hell bent of scoring from non-sense angles.

I'm pretty sure I'll get ridiculed at but against Villareal let's try to change things and actually play a team with players that want to get on the ball and retain possession. Let's try to get a draw by retaining possession than defending deep.

I can see us struggling very badly against Villareal. Let's try to get a draw and sneak a win. I think we will lose personally as ole will get outsmarted again.

With Aaron suspended and Shaw injured, I would play Bailly RB and Dalot LB. I think Dalot played okay when he came on and I don't think telles has had a decent game for us ever. Telles doesn't have pace too. If we play telles, they are going to target him and he will get beat easily like against young boys.
Lindelof, Varane, Bailly and Dalot.

Let's keep de gea between the stick and not do the stupid Hendo in Cup games crap.

Onto midfield, Donny has to start and Matic next to him. Matic legs have gone yet his positional sense hasn't, we look so much better when he plays and Donny deserves another game, he was pretty good against West ham.

Now this is where I will get bashed but I would play Mata ahead of both Bruno and Pogba in the hole.
I would play Elanga LW, Ronaldo CF and Bruno RW.

Why Mata, Bruno, Donny and Matic? Sounds very stupid doesn't it? Because they actually can make instant passes rather than other players who take seconds to make a pass. This Villareal game won't be a race on foot, we will spend most of our time in their half as they will sit back. Lack of Mata's pace will be nullified. Mata actually plays the right balls and makes the right passes. He is the perfect player to play against Spanish teams.

Sancho doesn't start for me, because I don't think he's settled yet. Greenwood gets dropped for his poor decision making. Martial no need to explain. Lingard is dropped for his stupid non sense shooting and selfish play.

My surprise selection would be Anthony Elanga, a dark horse player that Emery would never think we will start and he won't have done his homework on him. The lad works so hard, and is so direct and I can actually see him try to take on people. Whenever I've seen him play for us 3-4 times, I've been impressed, he plays like a young rashford to me. He will give you workrate on LW
better than any wide player we got.

Same for bruno RW. He will work his socks off and he will be in a position to make a cross rather than shoot or arrive late.
Pogba LW doesn't work for me as he won't track back and won't take the defender on.

If you think it's stupid to play mata then maybe you play Cavani in the hole. I think he can play there, I remember so many games where he dropped deep to move the ball and get on the end to score, he's nasty and he's always running.
His passing is very accurate and he can even switch up play and he will be a threat with his late runs.
Bruno essentially plays as a second striker for us and Cavani can do that too.

Let's try to do something different. Something Villarreal are not ready for.
Cavani and Ronaldo with their intelligent runs will create spaces for our team to run into (Bruno, Donny and Elanga) .

But we all know McFred is going to start and we will play like today again.

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1.) 25 Sep 2021 21:48:30
Mata really? He was way too poor against WestHam and its time to look past him.
Ole will stick with McFred even if they keep performing badly.

Greenwood was so selfish today, give him a breather and start Sancho instead.
Agree on Elanga though. He is direct and can put in crosses consistently.


2.) 26 Sep 2021 02:24:51
Rohan - that’s a joke, right? No manager in their right mind is going to play that team. Thankfully.


3.) 26 Sep 2021 06:14:47
I'm probably the biggest fan of Juan Mata that you'll find, I still think he can change games and certainly wanted him to stay over the likes of Dan James but he shouldn't be starting for a side looking to win major honours.

Starters and formations can be argued all day with this squad, however, until Ole leaves or we find some old coaching notes around Carrington that Carlos Queiroz left stuck down the back of a sofa, we won't win these major honours as we still rely on either individual brilliance or counter attacking as our two methods of creating chances. That's not good enough.

We've had over 50 shots in the last 2 games but only 11 of these were on target which shows we don't create particularly clear chances.

If you are a well organised side who are willing to press us, you have every chance of beating us. This was the same three years and an almost entirely different squad ago.


4.) 26 Sep 2021 07:40:53
Everyone coming with these changes to formations and personnel and suggesting radical changes forget one thing - should it not come off or be a disaster after 20 minutes the manager and his coaches won't have the nous or ability to change anything, we would just drift aimlessley for the next 70 minutes.

Nice morale booster fo Villareal yesterday 0-0 at the Bernabau.


5.) 25 Sep 2021 21:48:30
Mata really? He was way too poor against WestHam and its time to look past him.
Ole will stick with McFred even if they keep performing badly.

Greenwood was so selfish today, give him a breather and start Sancho instead.
Agree on Elanga though. He is direct and can put in crosses consistently.


 

 

25 Sep 2021 15:19:05
2 games losing streak, with an extremely difficult tie at home ( we are awful at home) against Villareal in a must win game. The very drilled and coached Villareal, and I don't think we are getting 3 points from this game which will essentially seal our exit from the group.
Atlanta is the hardest team to play in the group and I don't think we are going to get much joy against them.
I fear a draw or loss incoming and us being out of champions league now after league Cup if Ole stays.

rohanarora8

1.) 25 Sep 2021 15:35:35
The UCL might take on a more important role in many fans eyes now. Two games lost, out of the league cup. Some fans just want to win something.

It's not as easy a group as it first appears. We have never beaten Villareal, in fact neither side have won over 90 minutes. While Atalanta are not your usual Italian team. They play an aggressive attacking style of play. That might play into our hands as it could give us space to get in behind them, but any team that will attack as much as Atalanta do always pose a threat.

The loss against Young Boys looks more and more damaging.


2.) 25 Sep 2021 15:42:39
"Some fans just want to win something"

What do the rest of the fans want?


3.) 25 Sep 2021 16:03:34
Mumbles - We’ve got a fantastic team but we play like strangers. Anyone who watches our games knows that the football is generally awful but we have an array of players that can produce individual moments of quality which is enough to win games of football.

The quality of our players means Ole will keep his job despite his obvious shortcomings. Today was just another example of Ole waiting for someone to produce a moment of quality to win another tight game.

He’ll finish in the top 4 but this team is nowhere near consistent enough to get anywhere near a title. When you set up like we do games like this will come along with alarmingly regularity.

There was a long debate yesterday regarding when Ole will get the sack. I think if he fails to get out of the Champions League group he’ll come under pressure but in reality I think you can almost predict how the season will pan out already.

He’ll scrape out of the Champions League group and we won’t go much further.

You couldn’t bet against a decent run in the fa cup but expect a defeat when it really matters.

We’ll plod along in the League and do just enough to make the top 4.

Ole will come under pressure on numerous occasions throughout the season but manage to string a run of results together to save his skin.

With top 4 secured he’ll most likely keep his job for at least another season.

Next season when he’s still not implemented any recognisable style of play and these kind of results keep happening eventually he’ll face fan revolt and the Club will act.

If you can’t wait that long you better get the plane ready!

Do you think Ole is close to the sack because I think if he gets through the group stage of the champions league we have enough quality to stay in and around the top 4. If we finish in the top 4 regardless of how far behind the eventual winners we finish I think he’ll get another season at least.


4.) 25 Sep 2021 16:29:44
Not "just" win something.

Maybe they want to see youth given a chance. Maybe they want to see a certain style. Maybe they want to see the club run a certain way. Maybe they want big name signings. Maybe they want a club that retains its soul. Or maybe they just want to see a few local lads make it in the side.

For others it's all about glory, all about chanting and goading people who support other clubs, or being able to shove "their" success down anothers throat.

Each to their own.


5.) 25 Sep 2021 16:33:55
Shappy that group is a europa leuage grouo we should be winning 6 out of 6

It would be nice to win somthing but we also need to be entertained not bored to death watching no style of play and a manager who is absolute clueless.


6.) 25 Sep 2021 16:46:57
When we all saw the CL group everyone breathed a sigh of relief we avoided the better team.


7.) 25 Sep 2021 16:51:06
Liverpool went to Atalanta and beat them on their own turf 6-0.

The expectations at this club are under ground.


8.) 25 Sep 2021 17:57:17
I remember saying a few years ago that we should prioritise the style of play over trophies. I got called a "troll" by certain posters. It's funny how things change to justify positions.


9.) 25 Sep 2021 18:58:38
Shappy, what a ridiculous thing to say.
As a football fan, you want to see your team winning. The goading and changing is part and parcel of wanting your team to win!
Most football fans wouldn’t give a fiddlers who pulls on the shirt if they were winning trophies.
We, as United fans had a glorious run with young local lads at the heart of the team. That won’t happen again In the near future with the money and foreign investment in the PL.


10.) 25 Sep 2021 19:02:47
Bolger2,

I completely agree with you. However we can still easily qualify from the CL group stages, although I have my doubts and could see Utd in the EL again.


 

 

20 Sep 2021 14:55:38
Just been reading that Andreas Pereira has been playing as a DM for Flamengo.
For me he was a never as effective as an attacking midfielder and not too quick as a wide player.
What he does have is a very good touch and close control, ability to skip past 1-2 in a crowd, a bit of tenacity as he is not someone who lacks workrate.
The positional sense of being a DM and his general physicality is something which would prevent him from playing there but I think that aspect can be improved with training.
If he has a decent season with the brazillian side I think he could give us a good problem to solve.
I don't think he passing is bad or his crossing or set piece.
Interesting to see how his season pans out.
Very outside chance of course.

rohanarora8

1.) 20 Sep 2021 15:28:39
I can see where you're coming from, he has a lot of a Carrick type in his play and his positional awareness on the pitch has always been a good aspect of his game, hence why he can play as 8, 10 and at rm.

However his physical presence has never developed since he first came to us. He is lean for a cm in the prem and very lean for a sole DM. He also doesn't seem to use his body very well without the ball. As an attacker he is good at getting his body between the ball and the challenge to win free kicks, but defensively I can't remember him being good at shielding the ball or out muscling another player with the ball in the air.

If he had been coached to fill the DM role back when he first joined then maybe he could play the role for us today, but I feel he was always seem as an am and coached accordingly.

As such I would rather the club look outside to fill the role rather than shoehorn in a current squad member.


2.) 20 Sep 2021 16:19:45
Garner will be the one.


3.) 20 Sep 2021 16:32:18
He is one of those talented players who sometimes slip through the cracks due to being a jack of all trades instead of a master of one.

When he first joined the academy they said they thought he would end up as a No.8 or a No.6.

But due to his size he often played wide or in the No.10 role. He never seemed to fill out and progress. Due to him not being physically able to cope with playing deeper he never developed the skills and understanding to do so. While he doesn't have to pace to be a wide player, and he can't play No.10 at a high enough standard for a top side.

I'm not sure the loans worked in his favour, which is a shame.


4.) 20 Sep 2021 17:17:05
Jesus Christ we're pinning our hopes on andreas pereira being our midfielder we desperately need are we? Get a grip.


5.) 20 Sep 2021 17:40:49
I agree with Keane, Garner looks the most likely of the midfielders in our academy to make the step up.


6.) 20 Sep 2021 22:10:19
I'm not pining hopes
He's 99% going to get sold.
But given he's said he's going to play DM this season, I would still keep a keen eye on him.
I don't think ander Herrera is the most physical guy but how he uses his body makes him better.
It's just interesting to see how he plays this season but we all know he has no future here.
I don't think garner plays for us next season, I think he gets another loan in the premier league.


 

 

 

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We should keep Pogba only if we go on and sign a Ndidi. Next season I want us to go all in for ndidi even if that means we let 6-7 players go (martial, lingard, Donny and 1-2 fringe players more) . He will be overpriced but he's exactly player we need with Pogba.
Pogba is playing well and would be perfect player to find our attacking forwards.

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If we sign Pogba let's go out and sign a DM.
I'm happy if it that means Donny goes or 1 more goes.
Pogba needs a Kante like DM or someone close. Maybe let's go all out for Ndidi.

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We have a list?
I think we only sign people when City like them :D
Bailly, Sanchez, Ronaldo, mighty Fred.

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For starters he can't play at RW.

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With Maguire and Varane out, helps us defensively.

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He suits the let's be selfish and try to score the goal alone and pull something out of nothing.
A perfect Ole player. One moment magic strategy player.

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How about a new goalkeeper, another left winger and a central striker.

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Pogba extension
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We do sometimes play hoof the ball up, that's one touch you know.

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