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21 Nov 2021 18:35:05
SAF just floated idea of being interim 'adviser's until end of season. Not a coaching role but would take charge of team issues.

CheshireRed

1.) 21 Nov 2021 19:00:25
I don't know where you heard this, but I seriously hope not.


2.) 21 Nov 2021 19:30:21
Cheshire, would this still keep us on track for the decade of dominance in 2026?


3.) 22 Nov 2021 07:26:40
Mumbles ole was always going to fail it was very obvious he just didn't have what it takes.
People were told but had their head in the sand. Thankfully the nightmare is behind us.


 

 

01 Aug 2021 18:20:20
Dont be surprised if we have announced another stellar signing by this time next week. The player has already been spoken about, and actually I gave insight on a post a year or so ago of a deal being close then, but was crushed by C.V. Ironically that's saved us a ton of money on this transfer too, just as I stated last year about Sancho. Players wages are literally half what has been claimed, so terms will not be the barrier. It will be down to the player to prove he wants Man U for the project not the cash. This one will make a lot of posters very happy, but let's remember we have won nothing yet, so looking contenders on paper is exactly that.

CheshireRed

1.) 01 Aug 2021 18:34:44
I was thinking of posting a message tipping my hat to you Cheshire . I remember you saying that this C.V. isn’t going away for a year and we are keeping our powder dry. Looks like that was a smart move. Yes, we could have had a better cup or champions league run but we have put ourselves in a strong position this year.

I just hope the player you mentioned is Saul.


2.) 01 Aug 2021 19:09:16
If we do, then Glazers are really digging deep into their pockets. Trying to please the rioting fan base i guess and in doing so creating a really strong team.


3.) 01 Aug 2021 19:58:56
To compete you need to have a squad that is strong enough to do so. We have a lot of mediocre players, who are slowly being shipped out.

It does feel as though the club are moving in the right direction, are at least have taken a long stride.

If Pogba or VDB go and another CM is signed, will Matic be here as Fred and McTo, Perriera will be in the squad. At the very least one would have to be sold. We need to reduce our wage expenditure. That may be helped if Jones is released and or a loan deal happens for Tuanzebe.


4.) 01 Aug 2021 20:29:09
Obviously I know nothing of the above -interesting reading, but one thing i'm so happy about is that we have bought first team starters so far, none of this "decent squad player " nonsense of recent years, stockpiling players who would not get in any other top 4 team.

Pointless going over the names again but we can all name 4-5 players on high wages we need to ship out as a result of poor buying in recent times. Credit where its due Varane and Sancho are top quality so well done so far the United transfer team!


5.) 01 Aug 2021 20:33:32
CheshireRed welcome again mate. I hope the player you mentioned is Saul, he is one of my favourites. Looking forward for more informations from you.


6.) 01 Aug 2021 21:06:58
A midfield of Fernandes, Pogba (for a season) and Saul would be very exciting.


7.) 01 Aug 2021 22:28:02
What is being said here? Don't be surprised if we've signed a player next week,? Why would I its the transfer season! Name it or its nonsense. the under 18"s might sign a prospect I suppose? . 🙄.


8.) 02 Aug 2021 02:42:52
CheshireRed has a history Tom. He gave some informations last year that i truly appreciate.
We didn't signed the players but he said (and I believed that too) that we keep the money for next (this) year and then we will sign good players. As we did.


9.) 02 Aug 2021 08:10:37
Can someone shed light on 2hich player we r talking about?


10.) 02 Aug 2021 08:42:41
If you check OP’s post history, it appears to be Saul. Not sure why he didn’t just say who it was in the first place though, unless he doesn’t want to commit and is just hoping that we’ll be signing somebody else soon.


11.) 02 Aug 2021 08:51:53
I believe Cheshire meant Saul or SMS.

It would also mean Pogba may leave. Don't mind if we sell him.
We'll be a laughing stock allowing the same player to go on a free twice after smashing the world record fee to get him.


12.) 02 Aug 2021 09:08:45
To be fair, reading the older post, Saul was seen as a Matic replacement, and a upgrade to Fred. So may not require Pogba to leave.


13.) 02 Aug 2021 09:10:17
If signing saul is dependant on selling pogba. i don't see it happening. Have a feeling pp will stay with us.


14.) 02 Aug 2021 10:17:17
Ed002 said Pogba or Donny replacement Saul would be I'm sure I read.


15.) 02 Aug 2021 18:49:11
Yes WRD i saw that. i'm just not holding my breath for PP to leave this summer. i'd love to sign saul regardless of the PP situation.


16.) 02 Aug 2021 21:53:30
I am not going to name the player for a reason I will happily explain later, whether the deal comes off this week and even if it doesn't. It would not be smart to give all the details right now.

There are lots of moving parts in a transfer and things can change in even the best laid plans.

It is only 2 years ago I was defending the club as having a clear plan when many said it did not exist.

Yes I said we would sign Sancho this summer for way less money and that Dortmund would have to sell. In fact, I did say that dortmund had lost around £35m. That number might make some sense now.

We do have to agree sole player exits in the next 4 weeks. The expectation is to generate at least £55m in player sales, plus simultaneously moving £400k+ per week from the wage bill.

We will sign Trippier if and only if Atletico accept Man Utd commercial logic of a player who is in their final year and turns 31 during the season. £13m plus achievable add ons, but I wouldn't be surprised if after player sales we went upto £15m upfront, but only if we achieve one deal in particular outgojng.

On Kane, he is not a part of the roadmap. United admire him, however, we have already made very firm plans to sign Haaland. It has been made absolutely clear to Dortmund, his father and Alf-Inge that the coaches, the directors and the board want him to lead the line for the next decade.

Of course, that could change, you never know in football. For example, the 'plan' for a centre back was to go all out for Upamecano, but we buggered it up by losing to Leipzig so he stayed in the Champions League and we dropped to the Europa and as we then saw he moved subsequently to Bayern. Who is to say he wouldn't have gone to Bayern anyway.

We were to sign Grealish the season end before last, but he went and scored to stay in the Premier and got a new contract instead.

Nothing is 100%, but some things are. Such as, next year we will sign a striker and we will sign a DM and another centre back. However, if Dortmund go out of the Champions League in the group stages, you can expect Utd, if through the group stages to go all out to sign Haaland in January, especially if Utd are fighting for the title at the same time.

As always our signings will depend on what happens on the pitch.

We were always signing Sancho, we were not signing Varane but I for one am in hindsight delighted the original plan went to pot. Sometimes it goes in your favour.

However, if we crash and burn this season, we will not get the DM or the striker we want, because players and agents have to believe in the direction of the club. The pressure is now on to do better again. I for one think we will do so, only time will tell.

We should not forget we have some serious talent rising from the under 23s. Someone else is going to force a change to those plans this season, the exciting thing is we just do not know who as yet.

I will post on Sunday unless the deal is still possible but dragging on.


17.) 05 Aug 2021 13:28:19
We won't sign halland under any circumstances Cheshire.


18.) 07 Aug 2021 18:28:26
Lotto numbers ken?


19.) 08 Aug 2021 12:51:22
It is Sunday. do post no as you promised Cheshire red.


 

 

26 Jul 2021 21:17:02
Varane deal is done. £37.6m plus £3,4m in realistic add ons. Medical may be abroad due to requirement to isolate. Announcement either later tonight or prime time tomorrow.

CheshireRed

1.) 26 Jul 2021 22:18:47
If he's got to isolate, is there any point in doing medicals abroad? May as well just fly in asap to start quarantine and do medical at the end, no?


2.) 27 Jul 2021 06:12:08
Maybe he is on holiday?


3.) 27 Jul 2021 06:57:14
He's been training the past few days RLF.


4.) 27 Jul 2021 07:18:33
Fabrizio Romano has confirmed on his twitter that

"The deal is 100% DONE. Varane will fly to Manchester this week but will undergo his medical few days later. "


5.) 27 Jul 2021 09:35:59
So excited about this signing.
One of the top 5 CBs in world football is coming to OT for a modest fee in today’s crazy footballing world.
Now for Saul - or am I being greedy now?!


 

 

05 Oct 2020 22:10:08
Update. No deals for CB. De laurentis sporting director only one to show moderte interest but an unattractive deal structure.

Expect a move for upamecano IF and only if we put leipzig out of UCL before Jan window.

Told there may be 2 deals done in Jan, especially if CV keeps fans away until then.

CheshireRed

1.) 05 Oct 2020 22:23:01
God, let us get over this window first will ya.


2.) 05 Oct 2020 22:34:55
WelshRedDevil. Sorry mate. Tried posting earlier that attempts were made as soon as it was clear Smalling deal would be done, to get a CB befofe deadline, 1. Upamwcano, 2. Skriniar (stupid, they knew terms already due to Tottenhams interest, then 3. Koulibaly) . Told the 2 and 3 were just deadline day if you don't ask you never know enquiries and were not hopeful. The offer for upamecano wasnt bad at all, though their loan and mandatory purchase wasnt well received given our group games in UCL.

However, the other player we will make an offer for in Jan is not o ly one some have craved in DM previously, but will be a massive upgrade on Fred and Matic, and has played 3 other positions for his currebt club. He's a proper player. Theayreq saving the Sancho money for Jan, if Dortmund get knockead out ofa UCL they MAY, only may, make another offer, but tactically have moved on until next summer. Out of interest, execs have laughed off the idea Sancho will be in higher demand next season. They expect CV to devastate transfer budgets as the crisis drags on until next summer. This despite projecting their own revenues to be down by £115m this financial year.


3.) 05 Oct 2020 22:56:52
Where is this update comes from guys?


4.) 05 Oct 2020 23:12:02
Cheshire the player to refer to is Saul and it is exciting. Give us more details.


5.) 05 Oct 2020 23:55:11
Hi Herrera. Yes its Saul. (Could have been SMS don't forget) . The source is an ex Utd player still employed by the club. Doesn't mean they will definitely get him, but the intent is to exploit the damage of CV through the winter in Spain and Germany as 2nd and 3rd waves come and create big damage to revenues. Utd actually used the strengths of the board for a change and their experience in economic risks and their contacts in investment banking and Government to forecast that the pain clubs will be in come January will see some vulnerable to selling. The expectation is no vaccine until next summer and a very damaging aborted attempt to bring fans back late November which will ramp up pressure on clubs with less commercial revenues outaide of ticket, matchday and merchandise sales. My personal opinion? Heard similar before in the window we didn't sign Mourinhos wanted transfers and those Jan transfers didn't happen, so it may be internal hot air designed to keep spirits high amongst the coaching staff. I think the CB will happen but I am doubtful the stars will align for Saul. Financially yes they might be in deep doodoo, but the Partey deal wasnt done at that point, which gives AM instant £45m cashflow, so unless they go out of UCL in group stages I just don't see the logic for Saul or AM to cash in before summer if at all.


6.) 05 Oct 2020 23:59:51
Its all balony. Why woukd we wait till smalling was going to try get a cb when we knew all window he wanted to leave?

The club don't have a plan hence the cavani purxhase and low balling for sancho fully knowing what they wanted

Pathetic, sick of the excuses now. No ambition to get back to the top.


7.) 06 Oct 2020 00:20:31
Cheshire i didn't want details, only that the update is from you, i believe you anyway, you have no reason to lie. I appreciate that you gave a detailed update but that seems bad. I mean the thing about vaccine, I thought we would have it until December.


8.) 06 Oct 2020 01:33:50
Bolger

All clubs do business differently, Chelsea bought first, expecting Rudiger and Palmieri to go, for example, that didn't happen. Utd operate on the basis they don't take chances on incoming until outgoings are solid. i'm as frustrated as you are but they got Telles for £7m less than Porto demanded and they got £7m more than Roma were offering even this Saturday for smalling. can't magic money out of nowhere whilst there isn't the ability to generate more revenues and lossea are mounting. that's £14m.

They also offered £100m total for Sancho, during a C.V. He's Dortmunds player, ita their choice but to buckle? Well they'd still have been vilified.

At least they showed walk away, plus they didn't settle for anything less than a sensible plan, loan deal that didn't come off. Ask any multi millionaire, the balls to walk away after taking every chance to do a deal is always better than a deal you regret, not just in isolation but for the precedent it sets.

Cant complain in the same breath that we alwaya end up stumping up or settling for low ball offers for pur own players and then when we do the exact opposite we still moan because we changed the rhetoric.

Ive said beforebwe have waloed qway from 7 bad deals in the last 4 windows. Yet no one noticed because its easier to just be negative, and the media fuels the hysteria. Careful analysis shows far more resilience.

I don't see anyone slagging Liverpool. off for lowballing aouthampton, then not only grovelling but also stumping up £75m (£15m more than they could have had Van Dyke for) . The difference being Van Dyke shoawd incredible quakity afterwards, whereas Slabhead hasn't. that's as much luck than judgment. What if Klopp had got Draxler ibstead of Mane or Brandt instead of Salah, both his 1st cboices missed and ebded up with 2nd and 3ed chpice respectively. Lick will always play a part in any recruitment.

Jve hired some worldies on paper who turnwd out couldn't run a bath and had no common sense and also found diamonds in lower ranks who are now trusted right hand men and women, but not intentional, just pure luck. All were unintentionally good or bad and not as planned.

All I am saying is there is no direct correlation between getting first choice signings and guaranteed success. don't you remember Batistuta, Salas, Kleivert, Gattuso, Verane, Gascoigne, Beardsley, Barnes, Shearer etc during Fergie years.

If we had signed Ronaldinho who literally didn't get on a plane we wouldn't have signed Ronaldo. I still remember the slating Fergie and the board got for letting that slip. Yet it just shows the randomness of the market, and all that can go wrong or right without intent.

Easy to forget the ones we lost when we were aucceasful, but very little has changed over the decades with transfers, other than the ridiculous power of agents largely thanks to the Bosman ruling.

As for your comments Herrera, I agree its bad, and especially after Ole apologised for using the word exploit prior to the window. what's going on in the world is a terrible tragedy and to be thinking of that approach does seem to be an alternative view to what was very good corporate behaviour during the early stages of CV by the club that is long forgotten, as was Wpodwards very early comments it wohkdnt be a normal window and 6 figure deals just were not realsitic.

How many on here as readers or posters can honwstly say that if he had walked away from Sancho early on, they would have applauded? Wohkd have said well doen for sticking to the plan of the man we want or nobody?

Even now when we could have easily signed Dembele or Sarr, or even Coman on owrmanent deals but only wanted a loan as we intend to atick to our original plan, where is thr praise or recognition for changed behaviours and a stronger identity that we won't overpay and we won't sell cheap either?

Romeros wife going nuts is the atory you heard, but did you actually hear the offer from Everton? Because they took the piss at the last minute and underestimated our resolve to change the identity of Utd in the transfer market. didn't you see ancelotti swearing blind they had no interest in a Romero last Saturday? Just to make an offer that was so bad, they paid more for a poor keeper from Roma who is nowehere near Romero standard. Watch that bite him in the arse later in the season.

So, would we criticise Utd if they weren't ruthless either? I tend to think I might. Its the way of business, whatever your business. Some win some lose in every scenario.

Not Utd to blame that the vaccine won't be around in anywhere near decent numbers until spring and its already known that antibodies last a maximum of 3 months, so this virus will be around for at least 2 more years before a vaccine that truly prevents rather than postpone is found, or at best expect to be vaccinated every 8 weeks.

Its going to get massively worse before there is light at the end of the tunnel. You can take that as absolute 100% nailed on fact. that's not a rumour, I am the source of that info. Directly. It's going to be a very difficult year at least untik same time in 2021, so try and be positive, what is to come is to come, so either decide to enjoy it, or decide to hate it, either way the same future is coming, just deoends how we choose to receive it and respond to it.

Que sera sera as we famously sing perhaps without really meaning it.


9.) 06 Oct 2020 07:02:20
CheshireRed

I think you make a lot of valid points. However I have to disagree in the way we have handled Romero. Both on the field and off it we haven't don't justice to him. We should have facilitated a move away for him days and weeks ago once it became clear that both DDG and Deano were going to stay with us. If not a permanent move than at least a lab for him.

WE ARE BASICALLY ENDING HIS INTERNATIONAL CAREER BY KEEPING HIM AS THIRD CHOICE.

For the way he has carried himself and performed for us without ever letting us down, we have acted as classless selfish d! ckheads. And I don't think anyone can argue with that. On top of that we are keeping a player to not even be on the bench on a huge wage relative for GKs.

I hope we can find Romero a move away to countries with the transfer window still open (like Russia) . I feel disgusted at the lack of class and gratitude shown towards him by our club.


10.) 06 Oct 2020 07:09:15
*at least a loan for him

Bloody autocorrect.

{Ed047's Note - I thought it was odd offering him a dog! 😏🤣


11.) 06 Oct 2020 07:29:41
I am surprised you are here in the early hours already Ed047. I thought you would be Parteying away whole day today😂.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣 I’m waiting to see him play before I get overly excited but Tris does give me hope he’s going to be class!


12.) 06 Oct 2020 07:34:46
Cheshire, disagree regarding Romero.
What is the point of paying him nearly 100k a week when he is third choice and never going to play.


13.) 06 Oct 2020 08:37:01
I don't know how anyone can defend our handling of Romero.


14.) 06 Oct 2020 09:08:14
ED047, no pressure on ED001 there then lol.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣 he works best under pressure mate! That’s if we can get him to do any. 🤦‍♂️🤣


15.) 06 Oct 2020 09:20:23
No worries Cheshire, was only messing, nice to hear info.


16.) 06 Oct 2020 09:39:35
Ed047
That is exactly why he writes the daily review first thing in the morning. 😜.

{Ed047's Note - yep and then straight back to bed mate! 🥱😴🤣


17.) 06 Oct 2020 10:40:16
Lads, Romero isn't doing all this for free. He's been handsomely rewarded for playing a few games here and there, hardly a slave. The club doesn't owe him anything. No other club came up with a decent offer for him, and after all the moaning I see on here about Utd getting their pants pulled down by other teams with regard to transfers, then that's fair enough for me. Hardly treating him in a disgusting manner.


18.) 06 Oct 2020 11:30:08
Nou, it's quite clear he's been fed lies.

From being our cup goalkeeper only to be dropped in the latter stages, to being told he can move.

The club have absolutely no reason to keep hold of him.

Like you say, he's paid handsomely, so why not get those wages off the books for a 3rd choice who will likely make no senior appearances this season?


19.) 06 Oct 2020 13:14:53
Fantastic post Cheshire.


20.) 06 Oct 2020 11:42:48
Interesting post CheshireRed. Thanks.


21.) 06 Oct 2020 11:45:09
But for the typos that was an interesting read Cheshire.


22.) 06 Oct 2020 13:31:09
Noucamp. We do owe him something. All employers owe their staff something. Horrible statement.
All empires deserve to be treated with respect and with dignity.
He feels he has not been. If any employee feels like that in any company and can prove it then the company will be held accountable.
As an employer united do owe all employees something.
What is the world coming to if people think paying someone ends the responsibility to employees.


23.) 06 Oct 2020 14:05:28
spot on ken.

he should have been allowed to move when henderson signed his contract,

rom always acts professional and he's to good of a keeper to be 3rd choice.


24.) 06 Oct 2020 14:28:34
I thought they were only transient employees to you, Ken? And how do you know what Romero thinks about the whole thing? He might be happy enough, you've no idea. And no lectures on horrible comments about employees, please - I seem to remember a pretty nasty comment to Tony when he'd lost his job.


25.) 06 Oct 2020 14:46:43
Sorry Cheshire. I think you been playing Football Manager. Do you honestly think the Glazers, Ed and Co will invest their money into the club. If we sell someone then maybe but they can't even do that properly.

No chance. It be the same old same, we tried but they were demanding too much money for him.


26.) 06 Oct 2020 14:46:09
Interesting posts, Cheshire. Good read that.


27.) 06 Oct 2020 15:04:27
Find it. no nasty comment from me noucamp towards ajh. He is also not my employee
All employees are transient but have rights and employees have a responsibility towards them.
He is not happy if you have read the comments attributed to his wife and agent.


28.) 06 Oct 2020 15:05:16
Find the nasty comment noucamp please.


29.) 06 Oct 2020 15:16:21
I don't know how to search, but it was along the lines of basically dry your eyes. You can ask him - he didn't think too much of it at the time, as did a few of us. I'm sure he'll remember.


30.) 06 Oct 2020 15:16:30
Whats he not happy about? He signed a contract.


31.) 06 Oct 2020 15:43:24
You don't know how to search? 😂😂 try the search function at the top of the page. I didn't post any such thing. But sure you just make stuff up if it suits you. Absolute thrash.


32.) 06 Oct 2020 16:20:10
Aye, I must have imagined it, Ken. Tony must have as well. Silly me. I don't know why I would have thought something like that, especially when you're usually such a polite, pleasant poster, and in no way belligerent whatsoever 😂.


33.) 06 Oct 2020 16:36:09
The sexual tension between ken and Noucamp99 is too much for this page to handle🤣. You guys should get a room😂😉.


34.) 06 Oct 2020 16:55:25
I can be very belligerent at times Stephen. No mite than your Good self
But don't accuse me of words i didn't use.


35.) 06 Oct 2020 16:58:14
When you're married as long as I am Deeps, and hitting 50, beggars can't be choosers 😂.


36.) 06 Oct 2020 17:14:45
My view of Romero? Its a business. I totally agree about obligations to look after employees, and also their commitment to employers. But that's exactly the point.

Footballers get rights that most people, especially during this time in the world, can only dream of, not ONLY financially, but stability and contractually. Having a contract, that neither party can break? So the club have to pay wages to those they know they want to move on.

But frankly, when I compare their 'employee' situation as players, I have little sympathy compared to the the rest of society, with millions losing their jobs. Their future was 100% safe. Almost exclusively across any industry.

But I really do also sympathise deeply with clubs. Not just Utd but all clubs. Saddled with no choice but to keep their most expensive people no matter whether fit for work or otherwise, or even who have proven to be rubbish value for money and you prefer tonget rid, but saddled with your mistake or a change in direction that makes them unsuitable for the future.

That despite your revenues being absolutely decimated. Loyalty cuts both ways if we want to see the employee as a victim in isolation, almost villifying the club for enslaving them? Come on, pull the other one its got bells on it. Do me a favou4.

If this so called 'loyalty' and integrity cuts both ways, were they supporting YOUR club with integrity by saying we are all in this together, let's share the pain, here's 30 or 40% of my wages back? Just because Utd didn't ask is irrelevant. That was a conscious ethical decision of a business, so don't try telling me know we gave people a rough ride.

The club were very clear that they no longer wanted some players and were happy for them to leave. That doesn't mean freeing a slave as some are moulding the rhetoric. It means if the terms are met.

We were clear from February that the club wanted €20m for Dmalling agfer originally expecting €25m. But we were not going to sell him cheap as an asset that conversely was still being paid part of his wage by Utd.

So lwt me pose a question. You own a car. And buy a new one

You still have to tax, MOT and insure as well as pay for the car on finance youve borrowed. Even if youve finished paying, it has a value

Someone comes and says well it work £6k but we will give you £1.8k because you don't need it, you will rarely drive it. How many woukd take the offer? Even if you knew you mjght wait 11 weeks and then have a chance to trst the market again. More context.

You're actually a dealer in cars with only specific time to sell. You know you have to balance your books and no one is paying proper money for cars. Do you take any silly offer? Knowibg that the sale would be public and would create an expectation amongst other buyers that your assets vould be bought for a thirs of their price? Would you really sell? No matter what the commercial logic?

The situation with Romero was, he was priced to sell, no one came close. 3 teams were interested but went elsewhere. Is that Utd to blame?

So he now gets to stay on his huge salary when going elsewhere required him to take a huge drop? I have sympathy for many people during this C.V. from all walks of life, but to claim footballers in any situation have had a rough ride is frankly ridiculous and as for Mrs Romero?

She is lucky people are less switched on to reality than a few hundred years ago in France, because how her comments haven't been interpreted as being the Marie Antoinette of Manchester and keyboard warrioring let them eat cake is frankly beyond me.

Perhaps she should take a trip out with Marcus to a local food bank before she reiterates how terribky her husband is being treated right now!


37.) 06 Oct 2020 18:41:12
Another good post, Cheshire. You should post more often, mate. You might have Shaps and DLIB worried, tho, with the length of your posts.


38.) 06 Oct 2020 19:29:54
Cheshire red couple of interesting post there.


39.) 07 Oct 2020 14:24:00
I am only offering an alternative opinion on the non emotional commercial realities. I cannot stand social media because of the hysteria.

I love reading posts here because even the negatives, you know come from the right sense of desire and shared view we want our team to succeed and to be Champions.

But here is the reality. Utd have not cut jobs in ANY area of the club, even match day despite ZERO revenues. Do we not care about those employees, who cost almost £40m a year? Are they not a part of us? They have donated millions to local communities, OUR communities.

And all I hear is champagne socialists like Gary Neville talking rubbish about the one piece of business we didn't do. I notice he doesn't slag managers off anymore after being one. Perhaps he should be try being the Chairman or a director of an entity as massive as Utd before he claims the high ground. Really bugs me.

Some commercial realities would be more constructive. We are literally playing into our competitors hands by dragging down the enthusiasm, belief and respect for ourselves. At this stage we seriosuly risk being Liverpool of the 90s, noughties and 10s!


40.) 08 Oct 2020 00:34:19
I'm amazed that decent offers didn't materialise for a keeper of Romero's quality and experience. It might actually work out better for him and the club for others to understand that if they want him they have to make better offers to both parties. Good luck to the guy but business is business and I don't feel too sorry for him in his gilded cage.


41.) 08 Oct 2020 14:37:11
Cheshire because i didn't understand this. Did we donated millions to local communities as a club? Because that's fantastic and that's what i want for my club. I want to stand with employees and community . Arsenal buyed a fantastic player in Partey for a lot of money and the same day wanted to fire the mascot i think. I would prefer to fire none and to stand with our people (employees) and community even if that costs us a transfer. That would make me very proud and no player can make me feel so happy.


42.) 08 Oct 2020 23:44:27
Herrera. Yes we did.

We cane out in early March with a £1m donation to the NHS fund. We also made all our infrastructure available to the Government and NHS. Our medical facilities were used by NHS rught upto reintroducing football again and throughout the summer.

We didn't furlough staff, made further contributions of £4m through the foundation, set up sports clubs for parents who wanted to work for their kids to attend, we fed them and in many cases clothed them for those who had no kits.

Our non furloughed staff were deployed to support local charities, foodbanks and made drops for people who were vulnerable.

Our facilities and maintenance staff supported revising some public builds and offer logistics supoort for setting up NHS Nightingale Manchester.

None of this was reported, firstly because we didn't blast it all over social media, but it was known by the local authorities throughout GM, Salford and Trafford. But also because that wasnt the point, it was just to be nice and make use of resources we were not using ourselves.

The main reason you didn't hear? Well, how many media outlets do you know make their ratings through good news?


43.) 09 Oct 2020 00:11:39
did we not get romero on a free.


44.) 09 Oct 2020 01:36:49
Cheshire thanks you took time to replay, i appreciate that. I am very proud for my team.
Everyone has his own opinion but i always believed that Glazers aren't the devils some people think they are. They are just businessmen but i think in comparison to others they are more human and they showed us again, i think some years ago they refused to sell stadiums name to coca cola too rejecting hundreds of millions.
I have the same opinion for Woodward too. I have sympathy for him, its not his money to spend, he is not the one to deside which player to buy and he is not the one negotiating the transfers. Yet people turn to him every time a transfer falls. They always want someone to blame and because of his "stupid" face and that he is the one we see more often he is the easy target.
I think Woody makes a lot of mistakes and the first one is that he doesn't hire football people to run our football part, he is showing some arrogance. But i think he always had big plans for the team.
People blamed him for the "we can make thing in the transfer market etc", he had no reason to do this and maybe costs us because teams knew we had bid pocket but that showed a will, intentions. And i always believed that he has the intention to make us big again and i always believed that he entertains a marquee sighning more than fans because of his love for the team and his arrogance. I don't think he likes to be our failed vise president who can't close the deals as people day. And these words weren't empty words, we broke so many transfer records after that and my unpopular opinion is that, until some time ago, we weren't pinny pinching but instead we were happy to pay whatever it takes to bring good players and big names. that's what we tried to change in last 2-3 windows.
Personally the club (including Woodward) makes me happy and proud, especially after your comments. I only wish they hire a top director of football and give him the free run to make us a football force again because no matter how i like Woodward and co (at least i don't have any problem and don't blame him even for the weather 😂) they must make some good footballing desicions. Cheers.


45.) 09 Oct 2020 21:12:56
I am not an in the know as such but I do work in sports conferencing and hear things from people associated with United and other clubs now and again. In terms of United I can share here some things that might surprise people a bit based on some conversations I’ve been around. It won’t be liked but I think it should be said.

The recent stories about the dressing room problems are true, but not in their detail. You’ll notice the constant interviews and chats with Ole and people associated with the club Where they talk about the need for characters in the club. We have a big problem with that and it’s not the people you would necessarily expect. Pogba has caused issues with his on off determination to leave the club and his lack of performances on the pitch but it’s actually Rashford who’s causing big problems.

Apparently with the emergence of Greenwood he’s not happy, and constantly threatens to leave unless he’s the number 9. Greenwood says the same. Rashford has painted a very good picture of himself in the media with his fighting for vulnerable kids campaign but it’s run entirely by his new off the field agents roknation. It apparently annoys a lot of the players as although it’s a good cause it’s thought that he’s pretty disingenuous in using the clubs profile to create a Public image for himself and uses it as leverage to force the clubs hand into giving him what he wants. It’s widely acknowledged that he wasn’t actually injured during the last international break that he wasn’t actually injured but pulled out due to Greenwood being called up as Kane’s deputy. We saw that he doubled down on his campaigning instead.

There are also problems with getting Greenwood to apply himself in training and apparently there is a maturity problem too.

Rashford doesn’t get on well with Greenwood or Martial.

I can’t remember which game it was personally but there was a game towards the end of last season where Martial and Greenwood combined really well for Greenwood to score. The camera panned across to Ole and he was absolutely furious in his seat. Why? Because Rashford turned his back and looked disappointed when the two of them scored this great goal (look at the replay of the goal it’s a really good insight into the environment) . Anyway, PSG we’re suggesting to Rashford that he could replace Mbappe at the head of their front three if Mbappe moves to Real Madrid and apparently due to the fuss this situation is creating we’ve agreed with Rashford that we’ll allow that next year. The club are angry because they feel Martial is clearly showing he’s the better number 9 and that PSG should prioritise him over Rashford, especially given he’s French and Parisian, but PSG see the situation in taking Rashford as a way to weaken Uniteds identity of focusing on younger local players.

There seems to be a resignation within the club that we can’t keep both Greenwood and Rashford happy given they both want to be the 9. There’s wide spread agreement that Rashford is better as a wide forward both from the club and in the England set up but he can’t stand the idea of not being the point man.

You’ll have noticed many interviews (BT sport
YouTube FYI ( with past players ie the Co92 with Rashford to try and massage the situation but they’re all very angry with him about the way he’s behaving and you can sort of pick up on it in those interviews.

Anyway, nothing in the future is set in stone so I guess we’ll wait and see.

{Ed025's Note - a very interesting read that prodigal, i dont know how true it is of course but i will be certainly keeping my eye on it mate..


46.) 09 Oct 2020 22:22:50
I believe this . Maybe i wanted too because i believe the same. Rashford playing like someone killed his mother, no joy at all, not the same passion. I noticed against Tottenham a highlight (we had only 3-4 half decent chances so its easy to remember) which Rashford passed to Greenwood and although the better and obvious choice was to play one two, Mason desided to make a bad shoot outside the box. There is an attitude problem, i don't and i can't know the details but there is a problem.


47.) 09 Oct 2020 22:32:43
Prodigal maybe you mean against Ham. Because it was a wonderfull goal that Mason and Martial compined and Greenwood scored.


48.) 09 Oct 2020 23:20:03
Yeah ithey called it hearsay about Rashford and Greenwood but you can clearly see it now when you look back. Though as you pointed out from the Tottenham match it seems like Greenwood could now be the one acting out against Rashford, on the pitch at least. You have to feel that this wouldn’t happen if we had more proper leaders on the pitch like Keane, Robbo etc.


49.) 10 Oct 2020 11:23:13
Really interesting post prodigal. Quite sad to read. I suppose we all like to imagine that the squad are all best mates and likeable people but that's not how real life works. Shame they can't jointly appreciate their success on the pitch though.


 

 

17 Sep 2020 19:51:05
Regretably we did not, as I had been told, pretty reliably, Reguilon has apparently gone to Spurs. I don't like relaying info unless I trust it, despite this being a rumours site and I rarely post.

As I understand it Zidane had been absolute that he didn't want the player and wanted gim sold to generate funds. He also believes he has good enough options. The deal was all agreed, but then Perez via another director offered him to Spurs as they wanted the buy back and spurs took the bait.

Its a terrible deal and very short term. In effect Spurs have paid €30m during a C.V. with an ability for RM to buy anytime after summer 22 giving 3 months notice for €45m. So if Reguilon smashes it, Spurs must start from scratch in 2 years. Developed the player and get €15m in profit (less the cost of interest on funds to borrow) . If he bombs, Spurs have paid €7.5m per annum over his 4 year contract.

I do want to point out, that Utd walked away when the goalposts changed. They have done so several times in the past 2 years with 7 players they wanted where deals didn't meet the appetite of the club. There is only one exception to this. There is a possibility they also make an exception for Sancho, but this is less about the overall fee, but the type of triggers for add ons and the payment schedule. If those are negotiated the deal will happen, if not it won't.

I see a huge amount of criticism on here, which is natural as we would all love to treat it like Football Manager. But despite mistakes in the first 4 or 4 years, this group is settled into a focus and a plan and has learned a lot. They also are no longer driven by toxic fans in making their decisions.

Nothing they do will ever be seen as good enough. But for me anyway, we no longer sell even our unwanted on the cheap, a practice operated under Gill which only changed under Mourinho in year 1, and that too I applaud. Its about changing the perception of how and why we do transfer business in and out.

CheshireRed

1.) 17 Sep 2020 20:20:38
I hope you are right Cheshire. I hope we are going through the transition of learning and good results will follow in time. I only know what I read as I don’t have any connections in the game and negativity gets more press thank when something is going partly right. I am not too fussed about us walking away from a very overpriced player in Sancho, but hopefully the club have alternates lined up and are not backing themselves into a corner. Also, we should have done a lot of our business early. Hopefully we will become better at this sooner rather than later.


2.) 17 Sep 2020 20:51:33
Cheshire they have had months to sort the above out with dortmund,


And we don't do tranfer business we try and mug teams off.

Woodward goes into a tranfer asking do they know who he is. The critisism of the club is justified the lack of footballing people doing the roles they should do is toxic.

If we had a club run the way it should by people who know what they are doing we wouldn't need to rant.


3.) 17 Sep 2020 21:18:11
Always think that the way we act in transfers must annoy clubs and that’s why we always seem to pay top dollar compared to others. Club officials talk, agents talk and I think our reputation proceeds us in a bad way before we even enter into discussions for players.


4.) 17 Sep 2020 21:25:49
My issue is that you don't agree personal terms with a player and don't follow through. It's make the club looks incompetent.


5.) 17 Sep 2020 22:05:44
no affence cheshire but i tend to believe ed02 when he says they are amateurs. i mean who can forget woodward paty line we can do things no other clubs can do. which basicay means him and his motley crew are balls up artists.


6.) 17 Sep 2020 22:12:28
Which 7 players Cheshire Red?


7.) 18 Sep 2020 08:39:49
Do agree with you Cheshire to some extent: they’ve clearly got a plan which involves buying quality young players for the right amount (like other big clubs do) and not be taken for mugs again.

I believe they are planning for a title challenge in 2/ 3 years time, when Liverpool and City have passed their peaks, making sure they’re collecting class youngsters in preparation for that as well as blooding Unser 24s to step up such as Mengi, Hannibal, Garner, Shoretire etc. (I’m also hoping they get Benoit Badashille to add to this future team)

However in the meantime they need to stay in the top 4 which looks tougher given all other teams strengthening. They look short of quality squad depth and need options on the RW (I’d get Brooks and Sarr) as well as a CB (I’d go all out to get Upemecano now) plus the issue of selling unwanted players.

Tbh, I know they’re amateurs compared to the lady at Chelsea but they seem to have a plan. BUT they seem awful at getting rid of players who will never see the first team again and I think there’s a communication backlog in the management chain which prevents them acting quickly and decisively, thus a a D of F needed to grease the wheels.


8.) 18 Sep 2020 09:32:56
I don't understand why anyone praises the "not selling our unwanted on the cheap" policy.

Now, with a player like Lukaku, in the prime of his career and a very good player, who just doesn't fit our style, ok. You want to recoup as much as you can on one like this.

But players like Smalling etc? Totally different. Holding out for this marginally higher fee makes the club look greedy, incompetent, and like they have no respect for players who have given us most of their career.

We used to let these kind of players go fairly cheap. That was a GOOD policy. It let us move on players on large wages and get them off the wage bill. It also improved our image among players, because it told them that we valued their years of service.

Our current policy makes it look like we don't value the years of service, and it is costing us money, because we aren't getting a higher fee, we're just not getting anything while we continue to pay high wages to a player we don't want any more.


9.) 18 Sep 2020 11:11:15
In Reguilon's case, I really wanted us to sign him up.
But we are right to move on if Madrid wanted any sort of buy-back clause.

However, Romano did mention that United didn't meet Real's valuation of 30m.


 

 

 

CheshireRed's banter posts with other poster's replies to CheshireRed's banter posts

 

01 Sep 2021 00:29:19
Not going to post for a while now the window is done. But just a few observations and comments after I have seen a wide variety of views, opinions and perspectives. Everyone as a fan is entitled to their view, whatever your preferences, though I do actually believe personally that there are time when one or two should recall the dictionary definition of supporter.

1. A phenomenal window. I wonder how many posters would genuinely be bemoaning what was not achieved if at the end of last season you were told you can have Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane to strengthen 3 of 4 positions we wanted to.

2. The DM target list was essentially Rice, Rice or Rice, given we had 3 other prospects, Bissouma, who needs another season to prove himself beyond a one season wonder, or backtrack on his assertions he was not going to play for Mali which would be a negative in joining the ACON mid season, Camavinga who was a genuine 2nd choice but quickly made clear he wanted only Madrid and Saul who sadly, simply did not want the role Utd were looking for. We are committed to resolving this next summer, or, unlikely as it is, in January.

3. Ole after 100 games in charge is the second most successful manager in Utd history and the most successful since the second World War. In respect of wins and points scored. I do recall 2 years ago despite his successful half season fans were stating he could never attract world class talent in the same way as world class renowned managers like Mourinho and Van Gaal. I wonder about that view as of this summer also

4. Is anyone else concerned about changes at board level after 8 years having any impact on our stability and success or is Ed Woodward still a glazer puppet and a fool?

5. Where do you think we will finish this season and why when compared to other clubs? We have built a team which currently is going to be set up largely on the premise of gung ho attacking football where we will score one or two more than you might. This was an apparent demand for several years now but is still not for some, satisfactory, as we didn't fill the CM and DM requirements. It does feel a little like speaking to lottery winners who are disappointed they didn't win on a triple rollover week.

6. Most importantly for me, please, whatever your particular opinion relating to leadership, managers coaching or players, find a way to support your club rather than simply being a fan. It is infinitely more enjoyable when you are being positive. This site, it seems to me has come a long way in 4 years from the point where the fanbase were accused of being toxic, which to my interpretation meant short term, demanding, spoilt irrational and living in the past. It does seem to me that there is little reason in the present to remain of that view given the huge progress made in building a top quality squad, with 2 more windows before Ole was due to be judged in earnest, who doesn't seem to be shirking the challenge, looking for excuses or ducking responsibility and lacking ambition. So, as a fan, . what matters more to you? Remaining negative no matter what success and Improvements happen, or holding your hands up and saying you know what, I am excited at the future we have and a little more patience and positivity may well be the additional ingredients that get us over the line.

I seriously hope the announcers spot this missing ingredient that was still lacking after finishing behind Leeds in 92. The next year, after finishing second for the 2nd time in 3 years, our team announcements were preceded by Eric Idle- Always look on the bright side of life, genius in my opinion that went further than anyone might be aware was absorbed into the psychy of the club to finally break the chain of near misses

So to finish, would you return to that tune, and if not, what should the anthem be to lift the crowd and players this season to create that positive winning mind-set?

CheshireRed

1.) 01 Sep 2021 00:44:09
Really nice post. Be invested in the club, not just in the results (they are not exclusive of each other either) . Not everything will ever go as well as we all imagine and we all want Man Utd to be winning everything - however don’t lose the reality of where we are and how we are moving. There is significant improvement to our trajectory as a club.


2.) 01 Sep 2021 02:21:57
Have enjoyed reading your posts all window Cheshire, be great if you could keep up posting occasionally through the season.

I think we are in for a gung ho season. We have to use this attacking talent to frighten teams. Surely we are a good bet for 1 or 2 cups, we should have lots of hungry players of top quality getting some minutes to try and win a game. (Insert hungry player joke about Anderson or Rooney here) .

I just watched all of Ronaldos goals for us (so far) . Now I'm really excited for the season!

Great window, and I much prefer not to bring in the wrong player, we have many to move on and we don't need to compound that problem.

Goals at both ends change matches, counties and seasons. We are very good at both ends. Can't wait to watch the carnage!


3.) 01 Sep 2021 02:27:01
Thank you for the logical post Cheshire. It sounds like Rice and Haaland are viewed as completing the team. Of course with Ronaldo here for 2 years, Mason kicking on, and the young lads in the academy maybe we don’t need him!

No team is perfect, and most title winners have been lacking a player here or there in a key spot. I expect us to surprise.


4.) 01 Sep 2021 03:37:50
CheshireRed, there can be no arguments that the recruitment has been a lot better especially this window and the squad is in a much better shape than ever before.

Building a squad is only going to get you so far and is only part of the equation. As a manager you need to be able to manage the squad and get the best out of them on the pitch which involves proper coaching, tactics and game management. Ole has pretty much failed in those aspects time and again.

It's not about who you support they just need to be the right ones. I guess most would gladly replace Ole with someone better than him.

You don't back someone just because you are forced to or sold the idea that no one is interested/ available. Is Ole the answer?

He's done his bit with the squad but I have no confidence in him getting us to that next level even with a better squad around. Let's see.

By the way seeing and saying only good things doesn't make anyone 'positive' nor does criticizing someone for what they are make anyone 'negative'.


5.) 01 Sep 2021 04:22:39
You missed the point about second best wins and points after 100 games of any utd manager Let's play. And best post war.


6.) 01 Sep 2021 04:32:50
DodgyBanter, so does that count more than the dozens of trophies won till now?


7.) 01 Sep 2021 06:32:35
What a laughable post, a division one coach at best the second best coach?
Lay off pot mate.


8.) 01 Sep 2021 07:29:07
No fear of what will happen at board level at all.
I hope ole is fired ASAP
I think we will finish in top 4 if we can pick up our home form
1 great signing in varane Ronaldo the jury is out but there should be at least 1 good season in him. Sancho has potential but we have to wait and see. Funnily the Ronaldo signing will provide mean he sancho will spend more time on the bench as it pushes Mason wide right instead of backup to cavani.
Ronaldo was not part of the plan when they spent 70m on sancho.
I don't know how you can declare it a great window until you see how they do. When we look back at the end of the season that's when we can determine if it was a great window or if we would have been better getting oleball style signings if he is going to remain as manager.


9.) 01 Sep 2021 08:26:07
I agree Cheshire there is far too much negativity on here. However, there is reason to be frustrated. Of the 4 problem areas in the first team, the most urgent had to be DM, followed by CB. Sancho has potential, but was he truly needed when Greenwood looks a better player already and Amad shows plenty of potential himself, especially considering Mata and Lingard, as well as Rashford, can all fill in on the RW when needed.

Ronaldo is a fantastic signing and I genuinely cannnot wait until Newcastle to see him in action. But again it wasn’t the most urgent position with Cavani, Greenwood, Martial and Elanga able to play there.

It was obvious by the end of last season that Lindelof and Fred were the two players in dire need of upgrading, Lindelof has been, with arguably the best French CB since Laurent Blanc. Varane would have been my first choice, but I would not have imagined it possible. Yet, Fred is still here.

Will Ronaldo get chances, if he does not, how will he react? Last season Martial barely got a chance, Cavani struggled too. It was only when Pogba was played on the left wing that more chances were created, and Cavani eventually went on a good run of form. This is because of a reliance on Fred and McTominay, a partnership that disconnects defense and attack. The previous season with Matic as the main midfielder, Martial managed 17 goals and 6 assists in 32 games, which is not a bad return. However, Matic has struggled for a while now as he is clearly passed his best. Which leaves Fred and McTominay as the main choices, creating a problem with lack of chances created.

You speak of gung ho tactics, which I personally would prefer (imagine VdB or McTominay sitting a little deeper with Pogba and Bruno pushed higher to apply pressure) but where is the evidence of this? Definitely not in the performances against Southampton and Wolves.

Ole has done well, he has got a solid record and has improved the team and general management. He still makes some naive decisions, but he is young and can learn fro those. The record is more impressive when one considers the competition he faces in the league. Liverpool, City and Chelsea are arguably the three best teams in the world currently (alongside PSG and Bayern), and he’s trying to break into that elite circle, and has done fairly well at it. He does manage to pull great players to the club, which many believed he wouldn’t, and that should not be neglected.

All that being said, I do not believe we will win the league this season simply because that midfield issue will prove too substantial. It is possible the team goes on a good run in Europe, where results can be grinded out over two legs, but over a 38 game campaign it will likely be a different story. This is where frustration can seep in, it really feels the team is a good DM away from potentially becoming one of those elite clubs, capable of winning anything. I’m sure some would still find ways to demand Ole’s head if that did happen however.

PS: I wanted to add that I’ve noticed opposition do not put a player on Fred, this essentially means the other CMs are targeted by an additional midfielder. Which contributes to players like Bruno and Pogba have a much harder time being expressive and creating chances as they often have two players pressing them.


10.) 01 Sep 2021 08:34:13
Cheshire red

So many things to answer but as I am away so little time.

Who are you to define how to support? I support the club and have done unwaveringly for over 50 years, vast majority on home and away terraces, Season Tickets, LMTB, stood by the club through ultimate highs and lows. Not rating the manager does not mean you are not a supporter and seems just another way to try to cajole support for Ole. There have been managers before Ole that I didn’t rate, probably the nearest would be Sexton, maybe O’Farrell, as to Sexton, there is a similar brand of football. I don’t “remain negative no matter what” but will continue to say it as I see it and will not be bounced into seeing Ole as something he is not. I don’t believe he will win the league for us and that is the yardstick of any United manager. Happy to be proved wrong but is it £420m so far so the excuse window has dramatically narrowed. In Ronaldo there is a leader, a winner, pure winner and I doubt he will accept mediocrity.

My reading of the signings is they suit the “try to create a piece of magic style” rather than control a game, so we should expect more of the same football.

A song you want? How about “remember the time” Michael Jackson. Remembering when we used to be a football club under SAF, a true leader who led us to and created 99, rather than gets emotional kudos from it for scoring a goal. Ole has a lot to prove now we have spent over £400m for him.


11.) 01 Sep 2021 08:51:19
The most successful manager post Sir Alex? Why, because after 100 games he has won 52% of games? Funny that two years ago he had the worst win rate of any manager since WW2 but we weren't allowed use that stat. He hasn't done anything to quantify being "successful"

There's no doubt you have contacts at the club Chesire but you're drinking the kool-aid man. Even Moyes got his hands on some silverware as manager. If Ole can't get us over the line with this squad then he'll be an unmitigated disaster.

Your point about us playing Gung Ho football is way wide of the mark. We don't have a manager that has the balls to play attacking football. As for supporting the club, we're all supporters. Don't need to blindly support though. If we can get some momentum and with the quality signings it could be a really interesting season. If we start dropping silly points and fall away from the pack, you can't blame people for being upset.

All the best and thanks for the updates!


12.) 01 Sep 2021 09:00:06
Great post Cheshire!
United regardless 👍🏻.


13.) 01 Sep 2021 21:15:33
Useless stats Mumbles. I mean they mean next to nothing. SAF had 45% in his first 100 league games, is he a worst manager?


 

 

31 Aug 2021 14:29:40
Addendum: Ed002 is right though, sorry I didn’t see your last sentence. The number of players under the age limit is not actually the issue for us, it is the fact that you have to look at the squad as a whole irrespective of age. We just do not have player space in a bloated squad. There are an average of 29 players in every first team training session last season. that's too many, for squad happiness and harmony, wages and common sense of using your ability to move players out as well as on loan to see how they develop.

We are beginning to replicate Chelsea in our approach to using young talent to go on loan and either develop or be sold on for a solid profit yet we are at least 2 or 3 years away from this, so we will continue to see lots of sub 21 players still on books and possibly some more decent ones approaching anything upto 25 before we cash in on them.

CheshireRed

1.) 31 Aug 2021 15:43:37
To his credit, Ole does seem to keep everyone happy when they aren't playing, or at least they they don't go to the press complaining.


 

 

28 Aug 2021 16:00:41
Full agreement with Dortmund reached for Diogo Dalston, loan with obligation to buy. Utd will not let him go unless they can secure a replacement. Trippier wants the move, Atletico have softened their stance from last week, specifically because they became aware UTd were looking at another player instead of Trippier.

I still repeat that although this one part is fully agreed it means little if we do not agree a player incoming but it is at least a step in the right direction knowing there is a firm option on Dalston that suits UTd.

CheshireRed

1.) 28 Aug 2021 16:24:12
Not what Romano is saying bud.


2.) 28 Aug 2021 16:36:19
has been amended in last hour to no deal in place and he will remain at UTD.


3.) 28 Aug 2021 19:38:40
Well let's see. 3 days and counting.


4.) 28 Aug 2021 19:54:06
Sky stating the same now cheshire so you may be right.


 

 

27 Aug 2021 18:29:14
Well I did say anything could happen but nevertheless the story behind this one will be as mind-blowing for fans as the result.

I have genuinely only just found out an hour ago and then frantically got up to speed.

In the words of someone I love admire and truly value, Football, bloody hell!

Enjoy the interview when it comes. Would be disingenuous and frankly undeserved for me to comment further.

I had no idea when I went to bed last night at all. The tale is going to be 'Berbatovesque when told in full and you're going to love it!

So pleased. Sometimes just being a fan getting a shock is still the best bloody feeling in the world!

CheshireRed

{Ed0666's Note - hey Cheshire I remember a few weeks back you saying that United will be signing someone high profile you weren’t wrong mate. 😂


1.) 27 Aug 2021 19:03:26
Cheshire, just reading this makes me a bit happier, mate. Your enthusiasm is infectious 😁.


2.) 27 Aug 2021 19:13:32
Ed, hands up, never saw it coming. Assumption was he wasn't available and yesterday even ex players expected him to sign for City though 4 of them were in touch with CR7.

I've been wiped out today with my own stuff and didn't even know until I read my WhatsApp messages then checked the news. Had to apologise to one person who I replied before searching news outlets for my pretty blunt its August not April 1st reply.

This was talked about over 6 weeks ago at the club and put on the let's not get distracted pile, Ed002 said even today (and I checked the time of his response against my whatsapp) that it was unlikely and he was bang on! It will come out in the wash, but it was 1 phone call, a call direct to Joel, a conference call with Ed Ole and John and the call the June whilst someone else called his agent. That is deadline day stuff with bells on. Its mind blowing how fast this went from dead to done.

It has only ever happened before with Berbatov. Amazing.


3.) 27 Aug 2021 19:20:51
Cheshire, I remember you talking about Saul the other day. Where is that? Chelsea seems to have the upper hand but any chance we can swoop in and pick him off? Or any other midfielder?


4.) 27 Aug 2021 19:37:10
Sorry to bother you Cheshire, but any details about who might leave to make room in the squad?

Also, don’t suppose you know if a midfielder is still being considered pkease?!

Thanks.


5.) 27 Aug 2021 19:30:37
I posted last night where we are with Saul and the conversations with his agent and call between Darren Fletcher and Saul. Have a search, if not I will repost.


6.) 27 Aug 2021 20:15:49
Wallace, it's a good bit down the Rumours page now, I think.


7.) 27 Aug 2021 20:17:01
Noncompliance, apologies for not acknowledging. Absolutely delighted and yes I am really positive about it, both as a fan and personally. i'm not sure where he will live yet but zi have a pretty good idea and I am now working out how to not be in Dubai as often so I can teach the boy how to drive fast cars through the Wilmslow/ Airport tunnel. He left a prodigy and he has returned as the GOAT. I am absolutely buzzing. Alderley Edge is back on the map!

{Ed0666's Note - I hear he’s looking at a place in Whaley range not alderly edge! He wants to keep it real as the kids say!!


8.) 27 Aug 2021 20:29:20
I don't see any other post on Saul update.
Appreciate if you can share any info on Saul or other midfielders Cheshire.


9.) 27 Aug 2021 20:40:59
Thanks for tip Nou Camp: have searched for Cheshire and Fletcher but can’t find it.

Sorry CheshireRed, would you mind posting it again please?

Many thanks!


10.) 27 Aug 2021 20:52:31
Search one word Wallace try fletcher.


11.) 27 Aug 2021 20:56:38
CheshireRed I can't find your post too. I would be glad if you posted it again.


12.) 27 Aug 2021 21:39:47
I've reposted under Borders request. I didn't mention Darren the first time around in fairness but it was he who spoke to Saul about concerns over playing position as it was felt he was the right person given his past roles in midfield at the club.


13.) 27 Aug 2021 22:00:38
Thanks CheshireRed. I would happily also read if and when have time and (or) informations about what's happened one day before and the deal from dead was done. Thanks again mate.


14.) 28 Aug 2021 07:30:14
Thanks so much Cheshire Red, really appreciate all your info / fascinating to read about how things work.


 

 

16 Aug 2021 13:30:33
Regarding my post 2 weeks ago now, the signing we hoped to get was Saul.

There are several moving parts which prevented this deal:

1. Primarily but it turns out not singularly, Varane's delay in completing his medical which in turn delayed the formal signing and deal completion was a real pain. Specifically his visa delay. Until the ink waa dry, there was regrettably a risk the deal may have fallen through which would mean Utd going back I to the market for an as yet unnegotiated fee for Joules Kounde, their primary target Torres having already declared his intent to stay in Spain.
2. Outgoings. Utd have improved dramatically in their ability to negotiate for players they want and have learned from many mistakes. There is a confidence and assuredness now.

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1.) 16 Aug 2021 13:43:40
Hi Cheshire thanks for the info. The need for outgoings makes senses as we do not have a bottomless pot of cash.
Does that mean the deal for saul is still on?


2.) 17 Aug 2021 00:44:54
Ryan

Only got my phone as I am travelling however the answer is that it is unlikely. My post was to go on to say that whilst there is an assuredness in approach to signings, we still do not have enough scope and breath of experience in outbound negotiations concurrently.

That is still a weakness that needs addressing. Not entirely United fault but they do need to be more assertive in making clear decisions first of all in being prepared to let someone go instead of fence sitting on the what ifs around finding themselves short of cover at the football team management level before the board can start crunching numbers at the finances level. We say we will rely on our youth but then we do not definitively bite the bullet, either to change the way we balance sheet some of these fringe players and take a view on moving out those that we don't intend to have a key part in the season or to achieve enough champions league progress to overcome the funding obstacles.

Saul is only possible if we move out Perreira for a sum that frankly, we will not get. He is a lemonade player that we are expecting champagne money for, impossible in the wake of a C.V. Same for Dalot and Trippier though that's possible if Atletico accept they must lower their fee, though I understand Atletico believe they have triggered an extra year for Trippier and his deal actually runs to 2023. If that's true, it is a non starter and actually not as urgent due to Dale's pre-season form and his further year of progress also a factor. His attitude has apparently impressed coaching staff and he is more assertive and showing greater self belief and drive than he did prior to his loan. There is a view that he appears to now show he feels he belongs and his fear factor and hesitation are gone.

Overall, with the way our PLC works on its accounts, assets on balance sheets and how we account for profit, which is not a simple in out of revenues against expenditures, but more complex in what we write our assets down as, compared to what we sell them for, it prevents us from selling players who are valued in the balance sheets at one price but we sell them for less than that as a paper loss. That also triggers accounting rules breaches around selling assets under market value which affects your tax position as a PLC. This is why other clubs do not behave the same way Utd do, as they are not public entities aligned to stock market rules and financial regulations, all of the sugar daddy clubs can be a lot more agile than we are able and is also why we have seen such inertia sometimes after the glazers went from full private ownership to the model of floating on the exchanges. This set of rules also weakens our FFP creativity compared to others as we are held to different standards than they are.

This then drives all sorts of factors such as the contracted rules around interest payable on debt that may have caveats on the share price or repayment triggers relating to the balance sheet.

Last year we triggered a draw down debt facility of circa £140m for future transfers and cover cashflow requirements to add to our cash at bank, also a measure of the clubs 'tangible assets'. That money is spent.

Unless we do deals for Dalot for example where his book value, around £9m now is superceded by a large profit of say £10m, albeit we simply get our money back from his original buy price, then that still leaves us needing to find a further £8m for Trippier and our asset sheet would show £18m for our new asset, less £9m for our outgoing asset, leaving a net asset balance of £9m, yet we have laid out £18m so technically we have lost £9m in overall transactional value to do that deal that the money men have to reconcile with all the other moving parts of assets going up or dropping in value and also the dates and times of accruals or dispersal of funds.

We are driven by sets of complex accounting principles that in truth are far more detailed than these admittedly not ideal simplifications, but the idea we have a 'budget' and spending power is nowhere near as simple as the papers in particular try to make it sound.

The truth is we are driven by revenues, if we win the league we might, only might, make an additional £20m in broadcasting revenue as we already dominate the TV schedules due to our pulling power of the 'brand' and customer demand, but we will definitely only make £2m in prize money based on how the Premier league prize fund works by coming first instead of second. Problem is the owners know that no matter what Utd are or are not fighting for, the game changing money is in a deep champions league run and pur revenues are largely unaffected if we come 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th to qualify for champions league.

Had we gone through the group stage and at least reached the 2nd knockout round, we would have 100% been more likely buying Rice rather than Saul if we could get him, but unquestionably we would have had the leverage and market confidence to justify buying Saul as a second option.

But with shareholders able to sue Utd for lost profits due to mismanagement or failing to prefer shareholder interests against the fans interests of success, that failure to pass the group stages meant a huge drop in revenues. Winning the Europa or even reaching the final and losing is a bit like saying we dropped out of the FA Cup early but reached the Johnsons Paint Trophy Final. It is, in money generating terms, apples and oranges.

It is far more likely we will not sign anyone else in this window. I am told the most likely outgoing that would make a material difference to getting Saul would be Lingard to Everton, but they're nervous having paid us well for our unwanted misfits in the past few years that were expensive flops. On the positive side, Lingard delivered spectacularly and West Ham want him but can't afford him whilst Leicester may make a late bid for him also. I don't expect any of these moves to come off, since although a lot of groundwork was done with Sauls agent and also Atletico, we had not come close to agreeing even a fee never mind a suitable payment structure and Saul wanted hard to measure caveats such as game time clauses and future transfer knowledge before committing. It is entirely possible and far more likely that we will expect to get through the champions league group stages and then, if achieved, if West ham are struggling we will go very hard for Rice, very unlikely and then see if Saul or Carmavinga is available. Worth noting, some really rate Carmavinga, but he stalled last season and is felt by others to be too slight to make it in the prem for at least a couple of years.


3.) 17 Aug 2021 07:45:11
Cheshire Red very interesting post and explanation. I wonder if it will go some way to explaining and removing this amatures tag that is popular on the site.
Carmavinga looks a good prospect but is still very young and you are right his progression stalled.
A move to a new country league etc would still be a big step for him and I'm not convinced he would necessarily be a first 11 player .
That said I think he will develop into a good player.


4.) 17 Aug 2021 08:27:06
Cheshire, a fantastic post, hats off for the info. On first glance, it seems like you have someone on the inside with great knowledge.

All in all, it is a shame that we are unable to shift players but as you explain above, they are seen as assets on a balance sheet.

It once again backs up the assertions of ed002 who has always pointed to their amateur way of doing things.

For if we were able to unload some of these players, we would definitely be able to strengthen. Saul would be an incredible addition and I still hold hope. I really believe a player of his class could be the difference between challenging this year and not

Thanks again Cheshire, a great post.


5.) 17 Aug 2021 09:09:20
Angelred I think if you read what Cheshirered says which I agree sounds as if he has some knowledge. It reads very much as if the club are operating largely as he says
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We are driven by sets of complex accounting principles that in truth are far more detailed than these admittedly not ideal simplifications"

It seems a complex situation and I'm not sure the tag run by amatures actually fits.


6.) 17 Aug 2021 09:17:42
Theking, we definitely have amateurs at the helm.

I'll take ed002s knowledge of the situation over anyone, anyday.


7.) 17 Aug 2021 09:53:19
That's your choice of course but I find it hard to believe we are run by amatures.
The multi million pound business that is manchester united appears to be doing OK.

{Ed002's Note - The club has been seen as a joke within the game for a number of years because of the way it does business. Aware of this, they have made changes to try and improve matters by appointing a director of football - but still don't have a solution to the "Pogba Issue".}


8.) 17 Aug 2021 10:29:08
So it would appear we are at least moving in the right direction on and off the pitch .
It's only a guess but I expect pogba to leave on a free next year similar to winjnadum, messi, ramos and donnarumma have this year .
He clearly won't be the first I doubt he will be the last.


9.) 17 Aug 2021 15:40:15
Angel looks like an old pal🤣.


10.) 17 Aug 2021 18:31:29
No way ken 😂😂.


11.) 17 Aug 2021 21:10:36
Ed 002 is in fairness largely correct, though I can say that the amateurs tag is very harsh. Ed (the other one, Woodward) is not too proud to admit that he was inexperienced in running a football club and it is very different to investment banking. Matt and Richard would probably agree, though not as transparently.

Collectively, they got many things wrong at the outset, purely because of culture and lack of insider knowledge of football, the business rather than football the game.

Kiss of death was, from the outset the galacticos speech, and followed up several times through briefings over united and their financial muscle being prepared to pay top dollar for world class talent.

Those are now acknowledged as major missteps. So too are the 'negotiating behaviours' that were driven by previous industry experience and also in truth, the training and skillets of best practice taught by the worlds top universities around decision making and complex negotiations.

I have been on the same courses, so I do know how their midset was affected by strategic training around anchoring, ZOPAs, BATNA and RVs for example. All taught behaviours that work fine in M&A activities but have little relevance in football.

As with all top people, they recognise their limitations, focus on their strengths (Utd commercial model of financial growth is the benchmark for practically all clubs now) and yet have moved away from activities they are not suited to and need to delegate to better informed, equipped and positioned people.

Driving hard bargains works when clubs want your bes players and you are a selling club such as Tottenham. It does not work that way when trying to acquire other clubs players and it absolutely doesn't help when you firstly claim you will pay through the nose as you're rich, as clubs hold you to that position and furthermore is an awful way to get value when having had a mindset of not buying players like Maguire because you have doubts over the managers culture fitand personality, you end up being held to ransom on many occasions.

The worst mistake we ever made was ignoring Fellaini and then buying him for £10m more out of desperation because we could, rather than because we should. Many mistakes followed and Ed 002 is perfectly correct that, along with other inexperienced moves laid bare the claim to being amateurs.

I disagree it was pure lack of experience and those actions have been slowly transitioned, in a structured and timely manner I to a long term plan, with patience and acceptance of there being no magic wand and that it simply led to years of poor results from a poor and in some ways non existent plan.

There is clearly now a plan, not complete however. There is a change in behaviour driven as I mentioned last year over several years of walk away if the deal is not right. Necessity as they say never drove a sound bargain. That was our previous position, desperate for success and prepared to do silly things to achieve it.

We now do most things very differently and we have some sound structure returning under Ole. He has far more influence across the entire club than I think anyone gives him credit for. He has restored the SAF culture, but all internally are very rational in that the journey is not yet complete the squad is not either, nor is the infrastructure investment, nor is the support staffing resources

We are still poor at selling our players and the decision making structure is still not there yet.

Nor is Ole the finished article he makes mistakes some are glaring, but in fairness, he learns from them as has Ed Woodward and I do think he will come good as he doesn't duck responsibility. My biggest worry is that ironically Ed Woodward is leaving.

Not because he messed up, but because for the first time, he, having learned an awful lot in a relatively short space of time actively advised against the super league and was ignored. In high level politics or PLC business that is when you get your coat.

I hope I am wrong but that was a massive mistake by the Glazers and may come Bckt o haunt us if Ole and his entourage and the infrastructure so painfully learned is turned on its head by a new broom who will want to flex their own grey matter and status muscles and condemn us to the wilderness once more.

This is a huge mistake by the glazers, to lose a man who has learned all the taught lessons and could have become David Gill mark 2, with his clarity over what the structure needs to be.

We need stability consistency and loyalty. Unity, ironically as per our name, if we remain United we will in short shift become phenomenal again, but if we let cracks appear through negative changes after so much hard learned progress I will happily sit back and let Ed002 voice his opinions on such a travesty being allowed to occur for the second time. We either replicate Liverpool or we learn from them. Time will tell which it is.

{Ed002's Note - Great post - thanks.}


12.) 18 Aug 2021 07:14:20
Top notch again Cheshire. Thanks for the info.


 

 

 

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28 Aug 2021 15:28:37
There is also one prem team in for him, but game time has to be agreed.

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26 Aug 2021 12:22:13
Gents

A little info that may or may not be useful. Saul wants to play in an attacking midfield role yet we are seeking to strengthen ideally as a DM or CM. Background info sought by the club suggest that Saul is not great in the dressing room when he is playing out of his preferred position. Discussions held were around how satisfied he would be with the role we are looking for. Part of those discussions were that it is intended to allow Pogba to accept the new deal offered but that the club did not know if he would choose to renew dependent on his options in January or next summer. Hence the club could offer no assurances on either signing another midfielder in Jan or the summer.

Thats one issue. Atletico are being cute with Saul to force him out and off their books. They are currently playing him at left wing back, it is thought by some to be so that it focuses Saul on leaving and that beggars cannot be choosers, better to be somewhere in midfield elsewhere and with an opportunity to rotate the different roles and stake his claim as Ole has proven he will do from time to time.

Chelsea are in the mix because they can offer Saul a little more reassurance that he won't end up deep lying or in the CM role as they have players like Kante and Jorginho already for example, though he would still have to attempt to displace players like Havertz. Chelsea too need to move put a player if they were to recruit Saul.

There is strong harmony in the United dressing room which has taken 2 and a half seasons to achieve so Saul is a risk in that respect and the club first need to move another player and be sure Saul is up for the role we acknowledge we need.

Ole is not going to undermine the known weakness in midfield publicly, it would be bad management and very poor club politics to appear to be unhappy. He has said actually that he has had a few times when he asked for something and was told no, and that's business. This is true.

There is every chance Lingard may still go to West Ham or even Everton and Leicester if they continue poor form this weekend.

A lot of weird things can happen in early season form with owners.

Still on balance though I do not see it as likely we will do more business. Simply because there are so many dependencies relating to outgoings and negotiations that the time and pressure to do deals presents risk and a little bit of a gamble as opposed to holding firm and targeting your number one signing.

This has worked for United this summer where they could have signed Sarr Traore Rafinha or Richarlison last summer but held firm for Sancho. Same for Varane who has been hugely admired but genuinely seen as unattainable.

All clubs have struggled this summer in recruitment and sales, except the 3 sugar daddy clubs.

C.V. hasn't disappeared from the radar as yet and no one knows what winter will bring, with lower efficacy even for double vaccinated and also the issue over increasing daily deaths again continuing to rise. That is firmly in the mind of clubs who in normal circumstances may have bitten the bullet that it may be a risk too far as the trends have shown reasons to be more cautious than optimistic. New lockdowns are unlikely but fan safety and corporate responsibility remain a part of the thought process.

All in all, we have signed 2 top quality players and improved the squad, our younger players are a year older and it is also thought that it is possible players like Garner may do a job come January depending on how their loan moves progress.

All these considerations and careful balance mean that unless there is a no brainer opportunity where we have practically a nil net cost of parting with a player or two and getting the right signing with the right position and commercials then it simply isn't worth rolling the dice. Once the money is spent, it is gone. Next summer will see the push to overcome what some are calling the polo at United. We are mint in practically every area yet with a great hole in the middle.

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02 Aug 2021 21:53:30
I am not going to name the player for a reason I will happily explain later, whether the deal comes off this week and even if it doesn't. It would not be smart to give all the details right now.

There are lots of moving parts in a transfer and things can change in even the best laid plans.

It is only 2 years ago I was defending the club as having a clear plan when many said it did not exist.

Yes I said we would sign Sancho this summer for way less money and that Dortmund would have to sell. In fact, I did say that dortmund had lost around £35m. That number might make some sense now.

We do have to agree sole player exits in the next 4 weeks. The expectation is to generate at least £55m in player sales, plus simultaneously moving £400k+ per week from the wage bill.

We will sign Trippier if and only if Atletico accept Man Utd commercial logic of a player who is in their final year and turns 31 during the season. £13m plus achievable add ons, but I wouldn't be surprised if after player sales we went upto £15m upfront, but only if we achieve one deal in particular outgojng.

On Kane, he is not a part of the roadmap. United admire him, however, we have already made very firm plans to sign Haaland. It has been made absolutely clear to Dortmund, his father and Alf-Inge that the coaches, the directors and the board want him to lead the line for the next decade.

Of course, that could change, you never know in football. For example, the 'plan' for a centre back was to go all out for Upamecano, but we buggered it up by losing to Leipzig so he stayed in the Champions League and we dropped to the Europa and as we then saw he moved subsequently to Bayern. Who is to say he wouldn't have gone to Bayern anyway.

We were to sign Grealish the season end before last, but he went and scored to stay in the Premier and got a new contract instead.

Nothing is 100%, but some things are. Such as, next year we will sign a striker and we will sign a DM and another centre back. However, if Dortmund go out of the Champions League in the group stages, you can expect Utd, if through the group stages to go all out to sign Haaland in January, especially if Utd are fighting for the title at the same time.

As always our signings will depend on what happens on the pitch.

We were always signing Sancho, we were not signing Varane but I for one am in hindsight delighted the original plan went to pot. Sometimes it goes in your favour.

However, if we crash and burn this season, we will not get the DM or the striker we want, because players and agents have to believe in the direction of the club. The pressure is now on to do better again. I for one think we will do so, only time will tell.

We should not forget we have some serious talent rising from the under 23s. Someone else is going to force a change to those plans this season, the exciting thing is we just do not know who as yet.

I will post on Sunday unless the deal is still possible but dragging on.

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09 Oct 2020 10:30:48
Cheers Ed, and I do like Shappys posts, takes his time to explore facts on lot ps the points he makes deapite his passion. don't always agree with his posts, but I do like the varied opinions on here.

Thanks to the otehr lads too, appreciate being heard even if not agreed with.

Prodigal makes a good point too. People may not remember many years ago Real Madrid were on the verge of administration, bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euros. In theory central government can use state aid for certain types of club structure, but only where they are operated as non profits with cooperative style membership structures. I would have to ask a mate who specialises in that, but I don't at first glance think Dortmund come under those rules as they only have 46% fan based ownership, the rest are corproate shareholders. None own more than 9% but they do still fall unfer rules of 'commerce'. However l, Madrid and Barcelona? Well they would qualify.

More worrying would be the power of regional or local government where the rules are far more circumspect on 'local economic and social value'. Interest free loans, gifts of land worth hundreds of millions, or even special purpose vehicles for shared investments are prefectly legal and, in fact, absolutely normal practice throughout the world, not just the EU. Everton wouldn't be building a new stadium without the gifting of the land as well as commitment of rates reductions, tax breaks and promise investment in transport routes and surrounding infrastruture. No surprise their chairman suddenly found his cash pockets immediately after that decision, leading to him splashing £130m on players even before ancellotti arrived.

Dont be too despondent though. Expect Trafford and Salford to do exactly that when Utd are ready to take the plunge. I estimate 3 to 5 years more of quietly buying up the land before a complete overhaul of plans and New Trafford vision being proposed.

Plus again the board are far from stupid on all these rules across EU or Brexit. I'm told we only bought a player at the time we did for exCtly the reason that after Brexit the deal wouldnhave oresented significantly greater problems relating to both EU and UK rules.

I have seen a lot said lately about Ole on here. I have, as usual I think, a different narrative but I want to do more historic checking to make sure I am not misremembering lots of stories of yesteryear, or indeed soeaking out of turn.

I last saw Ole at his hotel in Stockholm when we won the Europa League. Half the 99 team and around 40 other ex players were there too, all staying at the hotel. I will tell the story when I post.

Prior to him leaving the UK I knew him as a player. Knew him well.

I read opinions on here and all I can say is people just do not know the person they're talking about. He wasn't known as the baby faced assassin for nothing. He has ice in his blood and is a ruthless winner, not often loses it, but you would not want to be around when he did.

He was Roy's closest mate as a player for a reason. But he has control, and a sharp mind. But they share the same drive and intolerance of anything less than 100%

He isnt, and doesn't pretend to be a master tactician. Nor is he interested in being. He will employ people he trusts the judgment of for that, and he won't hesistate if he thinks he has picked the wrong person or there is someone better.

I would be interested to hear some of the views of posters who were around as I was during the pre Fergie years, as well as each of the 3 team rebuils he went through, aimply to see who they thoight was the tactician under Fergie's tenure

I will read with interest.

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Herrera. Yes we did.

We cane out in early March with a £1m donation to the NHS fund. We also made all our infrastructure available to the Government and NHS. Our medical facilities were used by NHS rught upto reintroducing football again and throughout the summer.

We didn't furlough staff, made further contributions of £4m through the foundation, set up sports clubs for parents who wanted to work for their kids to attend, we fed them and in many cases clothed them for those who had no kits.

Our non furloughed staff were deployed to support local charities, foodbanks and made drops for people who were vulnerable.

Our facilities and maintenance staff supported revising some public builds and offer logistics supoort for setting up NHS Nightingale Manchester.

None of this was reported, firstly because we didn't blast it all over social media, but it was known by the local authorities throughout GM, Salford and Trafford. But also because that wasnt the point, it was just to be nice and make use of resources we were not using ourselves.

The main reason you didn't hear? Well, how many media outlets do you know make their ratings through good news?

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Oh we will Ken and as usual you go for the most advantageous odds available to you knowing there are 3 strong other contenders to win the league and 4 other clubs hunting Haalands signature.

We certainly will see, but telling me I've spoken about fantasy signings when I've been very accurate and when I did not know I said so is just rude and unnecessary.

Tuchel has already shown the worst of traits in managers, ole was totally honest with the player and his agent, tuchel has already gone back on his word. Integrity is a trait every player respects OGS for an he will get the best from them as a result to a point but it is not on him if we see players like Martial not even caring or making an effort.

We both say what we believe but you want to mock posters who dare to see positives and identify proof. We have dropped 2 points all season, best away record EVER in the Premier, substitutes turning the game at West Ham away to win the game despite a shocking referee and you're still not happy.

If we wanted Saul he would be at United. For years people moaned there is no plan or strategy and yet for 3 years now we have walked away from more deals than we did because the deal didn't fit the original united way and we wait for the right players to build a world class squad.

It takes years to build from where we were, I remain utterly gobsmacked that is not evident to you that all of those players came to united because of what they saw as a proper project with a clear vision, but then they're signing 4 or 5 year deals with that in mind, not ringing their agent for a move if we drop points or have an off day. Dear me, if you cannot wait and give credit for where we ate now, the players we have, the structure, the backroom staff, the changes to the whole set of teams and their leaders and coaches right down to the under 9s, all architected on Fergies mentality of build a club not a first 11 then I have no idea what would ever make you happy.

Claiming United are playing poor football is just ridiculous, is your memory that short that you don't remember Van Gaal or Mourinhos style? The last 3 years of Fergie were painful to watch, all driven by the takeover beginning to impact the club. Two World class managers puldbt deliver in 5 years yet Ole is the problem? Look at the team we have, look at the plans we have for the next windows where the jigsaw is hopefully completed, if you cannot see this is the best squad we have built in over a decade then I genuinely feel for you!

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24 Sep 2021 12:44:05
Mumbles, Ken, we will finally be rid of the lazy, disinterested and very average Martial as by leaving him on even Joel Glazer can now see the wood for the trees and he is now going to be replaced.

As for Saul, did you not bother reading why we didn't sign him? You might search for it Mumbles, I couldn't have given more accurate info if he had posted himself. Perhaps also take notice of what he said himself about the position he was desperate to play in and that we didn't want him in that position.

I have no problem if you think I am biased and have no rationale. Up to you. I will also keep posting when relevant my in the know insight, you and Ken, backed by the occasional RedMan rant make my laugh, you are obsessed with a point of view that you're desperate to validate where the odds are very much in your favour as neg heads given its Chelsea and Liverpool had 3 to 5 years headstart in their squads and we are still playing clean up of the 8 years of misery and poor decisions and oversight.

All those people are now almost 10 years older and wiser, its amazing they have shown they accept that and they continue to focus on their weaknesses to improve them and to create greater strengths.

Strange how you three are happy to challenge me on what you see as anything inaccurate, yet you don't challenge each other.

All I have done in responding is challenging your completely biased and inaccurate comments spoken from absolutely zero insight in the people themselves.

I especially love the comment worst manager since Dave Sexton. Hysterical. Just the funniest ABOGS comment yet, that in time will become a classic! In the top 3 of all time quotes, only surpassed by 3 years of excuses and its still crap. ta ra fergie and of course, ypu will never win anything with kids! Can we please enshrine the soon to be a classic Dave Sexton quote, it has every chance of being the best of the lot!

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23 Sep 2021 19:54:33
Completely disagree with you mumbles. You are entitled to your opinion but twisting reality is not on.

We are top of the league save for goal difference, and lut of a Mickley Mouse cup.

I came on today as I expected the Ole out brigade to be in full voice.

He is not nearly 4 years in, he is not even 3 years in and will not be for 4 months.

He took over an utter shower, is far smarter and tactically aware than you give him credit for and you pick your arguments to suit your agenda, driven by impatience and a grass is greener mentality.

Leaving Martial on last night was an absolute masterstroke. You only see what you want to see and you have zero analytical or contextual ability.

As the old saying goes, better to keep quiet and be thought a good than open your mouth and prove it.

So here is the line being drawn. As long as Ole doesn't take the team backwards we will be a complete team and almost full strength squad by summer 22 and he will take us into a title winning season.

There is every chance we win the league this season. But, we will win a trophy or two.

I see so much familiarity at Utd, not just on the pitch but in the corridors, Carrington and the expectations of all staff in comparison to circa 1989/ 90.

It takes time to get rid of the dross, the dead wood and the terrible culture and attitude. If change management was easy, then Van Gaal and Mourinho would have shown that.

Do want to win a trophy or do you want a decade of success? You can have the former now or the latter in 4 or 5 years depending on how well we build our team and change out the players and support staff Want to know who asked that and who they asked it to before they agreed to their contract?

The football is not terrible at all, the West Ham away game was an absolute blinder, even that level of old school United never say die mentality is utterly lost on the lot of you.

We have a new defence learning each others game and the same upfront, yet you talk as if we are struggling.

Get a grip! You are practically wishing failure on your own club so you can say I told you so. Tey hoping to be proved wrong, it might make you happier than constant moaning.

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01 Sep 2021 00:59:01
Good posts AJH.

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01 Sep 2021 00:33:53
I don't agree with the view or the sentiment. Dan was a really good kid and very popular, has talent and was making some progress in his decision making. He's barely 23 let's see if you think the same in 2 or 3 years. He could kick on when playing every week, never likely at a club like Utd. He was 100% committed and a joy to work with, great engine, great attitude and a good bloke. You may be unaware but he lost his father very shortly after joining us, now he leaves at 23, last kid in that position for us didn't do too bad for himself I believe.

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