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10 Nov 2021 19:24:31
I read this today. Apparently during one of Ole's 20 defeats at Old Trafford, the opposition dug-out were puzzled when he stayed in his seat as Manchester United conceded a goal, then amused when one of his staff entered the technical area to pass on wisdom and shouted 'Wakey wakey'.

We know Ole and team are not up to it, but seriously are the board going to allow this utter pantomime to continue.

1.) 10 Nov 2021 19:59:25
Blimey. Ed has there been any developments regarding a potential change in the club management / coaching?
Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - What do you have expected to change today.}

2.) 10 Nov 2021 20:37:26
I’m not sure to be honest. A wide range of opinions and views out there presently. Some outlets claiming Rogers will be the next permanent manager, some saying OGS will remain as manager until the Summer, others saying Ralf Rangnik is keen to take over asap.

Given it’s the international break, I did wonder if this might be a more suitable time to make a change (if the club were going to) .

I ask you as you seem to be the only person that actually provides useful and accurate info.

3.) 10 Nov 2021 22:17:02
Ed002 translation TOHOM - No change.

4.) 11 Nov 2021 07:23:31
I don't know if this is true or not, but I do find the timing of it being reported odd.

Nothing about which game it was, or when this happened. But if this wasn't the City game then whoever knew about this didn't publish it for weeks, maybe months. Why?

Now whether this is true or not it doesn't change the fact that Ole isn't good enough and needs replacing. However, if it is fabricated or if it has been sat on until now then you might want to question why a member of the press has done that.

5.) 11 Nov 2021 10:46:31
Would I be surprised if it were true? NO
Do I think it actually happened? Probably not.

Frankly it sounds like one of those stories/ jokes that get so widely spread they eventually are passed on as true. Much like so many transfer and football "news"

6.) 11 Nov 2021 12:58:00
But you have to wonder why they would wait any longer before making a change? This is the ideal time to do it that will have minimal impact on the squad etc.

I’d be amazed if we haven’t approached other clubs and/ or managers over the past two weeks, even if only to make enquiries.

Any accuracy in that Ed? (He asks with fingers crossed)

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation - nothing has changed.}

7.) 11 Nov 2021 13:09:23
TOHoM, it's simple. The people the club would consider (EtH, Rodgers and Pochettino) aren't available. End of.

So the club's decision is carry on with Ole until one of them is available. Or try and find a short term solution.

The reality is very few people would be prepared to step in on short notice for a short amount of time without getting something else in return.

Rangnick would be interested if it lead to a DoF type role next summer. While managers like Blanc wouldn't consider it unless they had a decent chance of getting the job full time if they do well.

So you're left with options like Bruce or Allerdyce as the only people who might take on a short term role with no hope of a long term position.

The best we can hope for is PSG decide to axe Pochettino and replace him with Zidane sooner rather than later and the club moves for Pochettino. Other than that they will hold on as long as they can with Ole.

8.) 11 Nov 2021 13:16:41
Thanks Ed and Shappy for replies.

‘Available’ though is ambiguous given not one of those 3 is out of contract come the Summer so surely enquires will have to be made to explore whether any of them will be interested?

9.) 11 Nov 2021 13:52:43
Well at least talk of Potter has gone quiet.

10.) 11 Nov 2021 14:19:01
The Wakey Wakey story was reported in the main stream press in an Article about how Ronaldo was shocked at the situation he has found since coming back. It wasn’t tittle tattle from social media.

11.) 11 Nov 2021 14:37:52
Spenno,

Potter is a great tactician and we could do a lot worse.

12.) 11 Nov 2021 14:50:19
Red Man, I'm not saying it was. But your not a fool and know better than to believe everything in the main stream media.

The question is if this didn't happen recently then why only report it now?

13.) 11 Nov 2021 15:17:06
TOHoM, I think by "available" you can assume it means prepared to walk out of their current job mid-season to take over United.

These are people after all, many with young families and moving them, particularly children, half way through a school year is not ideal. People like EtH and Pochettino have families settled in different countries, which might not be suitable to leave their families there until the summer while they work in England.

While any manager currently in a job may actually want to finish the season at that club. Also ask yourself would you want a manager who shows such little integrity to just leave a project halfway through because a shiny now one is offered?

There are a few good managers out there who might work well for our club. But they for one reason or another don't appear to be available to join the club mid-season. So do we hire the wrong man now just to get rid of Ole? Is there any logic in replacing the wrong man with another wrong man?

Let's not pretend sacking managers is easy, or cheap.

Does it make more sense to continue with Ole now and get the right man next summer, rather than sack Ole now hire the wrong man. Still fail this season but be stuck with the wrong manager for next season as well. While the right manager might move elsewhere and become unavailable.

14.) 11 Nov 2021 16:56:21
Have you ever heard of confirmation bias Red Man? Just wondering.

15.) 12 Nov 2021 00:07:55
What makes sense shappy is rangnick until the end of the season then offering him a director role on the footballing side. Then plan as to who we bring in at the end of the season.

16.) 12 Nov 2021 07:00:25
RedWhiskey, I wouldn't be against that. However, the club already has a DoF and a Technical director in both Murtagh and Fletcher.

Will the club want to go down that route which means firing at least one of Murtagh or Fletcher down the line and probably restructuring parts of the club.

30 Aug 2021 19:01:06
Apparently Daniel James is going to Leeds for £30m. Marco Bielsa is having a medical in the morning.

1.) 30 Aug 2021 19:50:45
Think Bielsa needs a medical if he’s paying £30m for James lol.

Great business.

2.) 30 Aug 2021 20:17:22
What a deal :)
Hope we invest in a midfielder now.

{Ed014's Note - someone over there must have taken a shit ton of drugs!🤦‍♂️

3.) 30 Aug 2021 23:32:01
He seems overawed at man utd, maybe a move to a small club will serve him well 😏.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 11:34:03
Quality Red Man, quality.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 11:35:58
Really wish we could swing this into a Phillips transfer.

24 May 2021 20:56:34
I have no idea to the veracity of this, but following Tielemans sole lap of honour, looking upset, there are apparently rumours about him joining us. Just passing on what I read.

1.) 24 May 2021 22:59:22
Tielemans…yes please 🙏.

2.) 25 May 2021 00:17:34
I'll believe it when I see photos of him holding up the shirt.

3.) 25 May 2021 03:37:29
I guess Levy is dealing Leicester transfers indirectly. Lolsss. You ask for their players, and they will demand a kidney in return from Manchester United. For ither teams, they are mostly reasonable.

4.) 25 May 2021 12:16:49
I really like Tielemans and think he is a terrific player.

Although I'm not sure where he fits into our side without us signing a true holding midfielder.

He's not too dissimilar to Pogba and Donny in that he can be a creative deeper midfielder who can break forward, but to do so you need that solid defensive midfielder who can protect the back four.

As we have seen McFred are capable when paired together, but individually they aren't up to mustard to do the job by themselves. To be fair both are reactive box to box type players whose natural instinct is to step up and engage to try and win the ball. That's fine as long as you have someone behind you to mop up if you don't win the ball.

What we need is a more savvy defensive midfielder who'll only try and win the ball when they have an excellent chance to do so, but knows how to slow down and jockey players into poorer positions and give the rest of their teammates time to recover their defensive positions.

So I'm not sure a player like Tielemans, as good as he is, solves our midfield imbalance.

Which with our track record of signings probably makes him a shoe in🤣🤦‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️.

5.) 25 May 2021 12:45:59
Isn't he about to sign a contract making him Leicester's highest player. No harm during contract negotiations to remind his club he could go elsewhere.

6.) 25 May 2021 13:23:10
Tielemans can play deeper and offers more in a deeper role than fred.

7.) 30 May 2021 01:08:55
A Ronnie pick 5 or so years ago 😉.

03 Jan 2021 10:51:49
Hi Ed002

Appreciate your advice. Below you mentioned we agreed to complete the transfer of Amad Traore by December 31 to allow him to move in January subject to a Work Permit. Ole says he is looking forward to his arrival, yet there are stories in the press that Atalanta want to keep him, even want to just loan him to us for the rest of the season. Is this just noise or is there a change of position?

{Ed002's Note - I suspect there is a misunderstanding. Atalanta don't want to loan the player to MU they want to take him back on loan.}

1.) 03 Jan 2021 11:23:46
Thanks Ed002

I would have thought going to all the trouble we have with the work permit/ passport that United would not want to do that.

2.) 03 Jan 2021 12:16:17
Red Man, not sure where you heard about a loan move to us. The deal was all agreed some time ago with only the paperwork left to be dealt with. He's our player now by the look of things but Atlanta want him to stay longer and want him loaned back for the rest of the season.

I am sure he is heading straight into the U23's to assess him further and get him used to the physicality of our league. Probably a loan move to a premier league side down the line for him and Pellistri would suit them both and help them progress their careers.

3.) 03 Jan 2021 13:05:31
Hi Letsplay

The BBC gossip page indicated that Atalanta are keen on loaning Diallo to Manchester United for the rest of the season, it looks like a typo. There have been other reports saying Atalanta wanted to keep him, but as Ed said they want to loan him from us.

Looks like the sale is going through. Personally I think he should come to us and acclimatise, start to work with better players, be ready for next season or if he makes an impact even appearances this season.

4.) 03 Jan 2021 13:27:55
Hi Red Man,

Probably the media outlets doing their typical mixed reports to keep things interesting especially when it is United news.

It is too early yet and we can all assume what's best for him but it's up to the coaching staff and Ole to find the best route for the player. Hopefully Diallo fulfills his potential at United as he does look a very exciting prospect.

5.) 03 Jan 2021 13:40:03
Red man I think it was an error as gasperini had said that Atalanta hoped to loan him back to the end of the season.

6.) 03 Jan 2021 13:45:51
Red Man. I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that our U23 side are ‘better players’ than Atlanta’s first team, no?

7.) 03 Jan 2021 14:07:25
Did redman suggest that? I don't think he did.

8.) 03 Jan 2021 15:09:46
I don't quite understand why Atalanta wants him on a loan, he barely played there. Ed, do you know something?

{Ed002's Note - They don't want their squad weakened and his replacement is not available before the summer.}

9.) 03 Jan 2021 17:07:06
The reports are now saying United want him this month and don’t want to loan him back.

10.) 04 Jan 2021 00:57:51
Surprised Atlanta want him on loan. Is there a reason why they’ve hardly played him? Is it because the transfer was agreed and they didn’t want to risk the deal? Or simply that he’s not at the level?

Also, why is the WP taking so long to complete. should this not have been done earlier so he could arrive at OT on the 1st? Are you only allowed to apply for WPs in a transfer window? I always get the impression we fall asleep in between transfer windows.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained all of this - try searching.}

15 Dec 2020 06:30:05
Reports this morning that Henderson is not happy and was left vexed by Solskjaer breaking promises to start him in certain home games. Add this to how DvB has been treated and a pattern emerges.

1.) 15 Dec 2020 10:08:17
No sh1t that Sherlock isn't surprised to read this.

2.) 15 Dec 2020 11:05:12
I think Ole now only really trusts a few players, and as such they are undroppable. DDG, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, Fred, Bruno and Rashford are all nailed on to start if fit.

All managers have their favourites, maybe this is part of the reason someone new coming in with fresh eyes might be a good idea.

3.) 15 Dec 2020 11:36:33
The problem is DDG has made and continues to make mistakes. Henderson deserves a run in the team.

I'd imagine a few players will be thinking about what they have to do to get game time, when players keep DDG make mistakes and are continually picked. His mistakes have been be going on for awhile now. It's partly done to the coaching staff getting him to play out with his feet. It is still clear to see that he isn't comfortable doing that.

The zonal marking for set pieces is atrocious. Maguire makes basic mistakes.

I'd like tk see Bailly and Tuanzebe in defence. Then play higher up pitch and dip the two holding midfielders.

4.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:07
Some of Ole's decisions this season have been questionable.
No matter how many mistakes Maguire and Lindelof make, Tuanzebe is still not getting enough games to cement his place.

He even bigged up Mengi saying he is similar to De Ligt as he can get into our side at a young age. But again, he is not getting chances.

VDB has to play over McT and Pogba. Reasons are obvious.

Ole also stressed on having 5 subs in EPL, yet he used only 1 sub against City in the derby.

5.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:33
i can understand Henderson's frustration especially as for this back 4 / 5 he is a better fit given how much more vocal and brave he is.

We are gettignto a point where we have more quality options in the squad than we did over the last 5 years. it is easier to manage good players not playing when there is trust in the manager and the team is doing well. Ole needs to up his management game.

6.) 15 Dec 2020 12:07:49
Agree with TRD that Ole is making some questionable decisions on a regular basis.
Henderson coming back to us in a pre Euros year didn't make any sense to me unless he was given assurances around game time which clearly are promises not being kept. Not as though De Gea is producing the world class quality we know he has on any level of consistency. I admire Henderson for coming back and having the confidence to stake his claim for the No.1 spot - but it is being ignored.
Henderson MUST start in all cup games for me regardless whether that's against Tinpot FC or Milan in the Europa League Final.

Van de Beek is a very strange one too. Clearly the lad has bags of talent and we look more of a threat going forward when he plays. How he is not making appearances at least in front of Pogba is a mystery.

Ole's reliance on Fred and McTominay for me says more about his not trusting his defence hence more creative players like VDB are not getting as much of a look-in.

Even then though if we can play Mata at RW on occasion surely VDB can fill that berth too.

We have a mix of defence and attack minded midfielders now but other than Fernandes there is nobody who stands out as a must pick.

We are 3 players short for me, 4 if you include Henderson playing more than De Gea.

The Maguire-Lindelof partnership simply let's too many goals in. A new CB has to be our main priority as strengthening the back will allow us more creative players in midfield. There is no rule that says we can only have Bruno as the creative influence!

Ideally we would swap out Pogba for a completely different player in Saul but one who could offer so much more balance to the team overall. Giving a better platform for both defence and attack.

And finally as much as we harp on about our lack of a RW it is a 25 goal a season centre forward we are crying out to replace the woefully inconsistent Martial with. Appreciate Greenwood will fulfil that role in time but we need our new No.9 now.

We do have some good players at the club and in what is a very open year league wise it would not take too much to get this team into a title challenging position. Ole has to be much braver than he is to do that. Any big name can be sacrificed if they are not performing whether its De Gea, Maguire, Fernandes etc. Ole lacks the balls to do that though I fear.

7.) 15 Dec 2020 13:53:27
On the plus side I'm glad we have players who aren't happy to be out of the side. I would have to question a players mentality and ambition if they are happy to be on our bench and not in the team.

Shows we have a few more players with the right attitude now. While Romero might be a great keeper, does he have the right mentality to be a keeper at a club that should be aiming to win the top honours? He's spent 5 years on the bench and been happy to pick up a cheque and not play during his peak years. Only kicking up recently when the club refuse to sell him after bumping him down to third choice.

While DDG has still made a few mistakes this season, he has on the whole improved on his form from last season. Is that due to Henderson breathing down his neck?

We need competition for places all over the pitch, players on the bench in every position who is arguably good enough to start. They shouldn't be happy to be on the bench, they will need to accept it and work on their game to improve themselves and push for a starting spot.

How much of our decline on the pitch can be put down to a lack of competition for places?

8.) 15 Dec 2020 16:06:11
Very unlike Shappy to kick a player when he 8s down. Romero now. Did he contact you that he is happy like that or do you want a player coming out in the press and creating a storm?

9.) 15 Dec 2020 17:43:33
Mad Hatter. Premier league footballer having to use his feet! Imagine that? The fact that de gea cannot play football, doesn't command his area and doesn't marshall his defense means to me that he isn't a very good goal keeper.

Reaction saves are not enough at the top level. It looks like you are saving your team points whereas a more rounded keeper wouldn't need to make the save in the first place because they would have prevented the danger before it got to that.

10.) 15 Dec 2020 19:00:59
MancMan,

It was never an issue for DDG until OGS took over. The zonal marking for set pieces doesn't help either.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses. When OGS took over DDG was world class. Not he looks bang average. The whole tactical set up isn't working. Players are actually regressing.

11.) 15 Dec 2020 19:34:53
Hatter, I disagree DDG started declining under Jose. The issue I think with DDG is that over the past 8 years there hasn't been another keeper who came close to DDG's shot-stopping ability. He was just hands down the best. However, those world class saves (often a 2 or 3 per game) masked the other weaker areas of his game.

At no point in his career has he commanded his area well, he doesn't communicate much with his defenders, his coming out for crosses has always been poor (a bit of a flapper), while his distribution has never been more than average.

The difference now is that his reactions have started to slow slightly, as such he makes less world class saves and the other weaker areas of his game are becoming more apparent.

We have seen this before, look at Iker Casillias, considered a world class keeper until his form went off a cliff in his early 30's. Almost entirely down to his reactions slowing and a big dip in his shot stopping ability.

12.) 15 Dec 2020 20:39:29
I've posted before I know him and his the family and in regards to henderson the above is rubbish .

13.) 15 Dec 2020 20:42:35
Shappy,

I know DDG isn't the keeper he is once was. Romero should have been given a chance last season to be the clubs number 1.

The main issue is that OGS continues to pick under achieving players. My main concern is that I can ee players like Henderson and VDB leaving before Jones and Rojo do.

I'm fed up of how poor Maguire is.

14.) 15 Dec 2020 21:08:31
He didn't reclined with Zose. With Zose at 17-18 he had of his most successful years with us conceding 17 goals less than we should consede as per expected goals against. Then he went with his national team for the tournament, made mistakes and his confidence was low. Then it was Zoses third season syndrome and we had a toxic atmosphere and we conceded goals with all ways, none was marking decent and the fact that he conceded a lot of goals don't help the confidence. Then Ole asked him to play the ball from the back and things got worst.

15.) 16 Dec 2020 00:29:43
every body else herrera but ole. he thinks fred and mctom are going to take us to the promised land.

16.) 16 Dec 2020 04:33:33
DDG has improved this year due to Henderson. Ddg is still an excellent keeper. Henderson is the future. Sure Henderson will get game time and he needs to keep showing the mentality to play at a big club. He will be alright, don't worry about that.

17.) 16 Dec 2020 12:14:26
Shan, have a look who Romero's agent is, if he wasn't happy his agent would have got him a move.

18.) 16 Dec 2020 14:21:28
Like pogbas agent did? Romero is unhappy moves were blocked this summer. He was treated poorly.
He will move asap but buying clubs need to match our valuation and his massive money. Not many clubs that are interested in him can afford him. That's the situation.
Henderson will be our no 1 soon enough imo. Ddg is still a very good keeper. He is on the best contract of any keeper anywhere in the world. Ole convinced him to stay he has the man he wants. Henderson can wait or force a move its up top him. Henderson imo will be a top keeper but he has achieved very little to date i'm his career. I've not heard him moaning and if he is unhappy he is right to keep it in house and take it up with ole privately.
He seems a veey level headed but ambitious lad he has the world at his feet. United are his club but he may well have to move to play under s different manager. I hope not.

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17 Jan 2022 22:36:40
Have we learned nothing? If true it shows how utterly messed up we are. We appoint an interim manager, who is going to be a consultant for two years, after years of failure. I cannot tell you how utterly frustrating it is to read that the club is now considering a £40m bid for Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn in summer. That is worrying but it is then the driver that makes me shake my head. Apparently he has impressed SAF and Darren Fletcher. If true we continue to look backwards, very worrying. Let's hope it isn't true. SAF should have no bearing on the football at all and Fletcher knows about Scottish players, we need to move on. Meanwhile where is the support for RR, no one in no one out, I really hope they are not just playing lip service to the expert they brought in.

1.) 17 Jan 2022 23:23:07
I agree Redman.
No doubt McGinn would be a upgrade on our current midfield incumbents. But likely to be expensive, clearly not utilising RRs knowledge or skills.

United have huge structural issues based on fairytales, the olden days and legends. It defies logic, at least football logic.
I see RR being sidelined in favour of a mystical search of the managerial equivalent of the holy grail.

Makes a great show though, the United soap opera.

2.) 18 Jan 2022 03:56:34
I like John mcginn. Think he’s a decent player. Would you rather we chase Bellingham all summer and end up with nothing because that’s what I can see happening.

3.) 18 Jan 2022 06:30:48
John McGinn. What. Decent player at Villa’s level but what. Chelsea are signing CL winners as back up players. MU are looking at McGinn as the answer. What.

RR is the worst move the club could have made - especially with this whole “consultant gig” blah blah. Give me a break. What a mess.

What manager is going to come in who is at the the top of the game to be overseen by RR? What.

Red Man why would the MU board back RR with $$$ when he is not going to the the manager in 6 months time. What.

That means another manager will be left with players they didn’t sign (likely for an exuberant amount) . What.

If RR wants to be backed he should take the gig full time like a grown up.

What? What a mess. Dire.

4.) 18 Jan 2022 06:58:08
Disagree Maze! I’m not saying we should sign Mginn but when you say Aston Villa level I’m afraid for 90 minutes on Monday their midfield absolutely took the mick out of ours, they ran the show, and also for 45 minutes Saturday! I’m afraid Aston Villa level is probably better than ours at moment ??
I think my point is I think we need to start looking at signings away from the stars and build a team based on individuals who are fantastic footballers but most importantly we create a team, a hard working talented team who above anything else want to play for Manchester United!
Another big thing to consider is who on earth believes what the newspapers say Jesus! The sir Alex mention is purely for exactly this, to stir all things United!

As for your criticism of RR I disagree again! Whether we like it or not we couldn’t get our main target when ole was sacked, an interim manager was only option surely or do you want us to go and get the next best? Read up on what RR has done at other clubs, I feel he could be hugely important over next two years as we go through another slight re build but he could be a gem of an appointment behind the scenes, I trust him to suss out this dressing room to!

5.) 18 Jan 2022 07:02:06
MAZE

Three years £420m spent and we don’t have a central midfield. A decent signing in there could make a difference.

RR was identified correctly for me, as a consultant to shake us out of the cultural reboot looking at 1980’s methods to replace SAF with someone who will be here years.

The McGinn story reeks of the past with SAF in the background and Fletcher as technical director, a position I have yet to see him justify including his career.

RR doesn’t need to take the manager job long term, but to me it already looks like the club are not listening, just carrying on what they did before. That is the mess. If they do that the club will be even more of a laughing stock.

6.) 18 Jan 2022 07:21:37
I wouldn’t be surprised if the club is in contact with the new manager (almost certainly the case) and that he will be giving his own feedback on signings too.

7.) 18 Jan 2022 08:54:56
Chris1 - Villa are an irrelevant team. Is this what it has become, MU fans now associate their club as a comparator to cesspool tinpot wannabes. Also enlighten me what has RR done at clubs of MU’s macro-scale stature?

Red Man - did you misread Maze’s post? Maze wholeheartedly agrees the club is a commercial calamity, an absolute omnishambles with no identity and leadership.

Please explain ‘consultant to shake us out of reboot’? What does that even mean? RR is on a gravy train, riding it like others. Have you ever had to engage or collaborate with consultants? They are not inexpensive. Now imagine engaging one in a limited market, in desperate times and no blueprint as to the outcome? Is there an upper limit on his ‘consulting fee’? God be kind and pray there is so.

Spenno - unless the manager the club are ‘almost certainly in contact with’ is unattached and out of work, then there would be serious conflict of interest and collusion questions for the club to answer. Please consider more broadly before pulling the trigger on your post.

8.) 18 Jan 2022 09:13:07
so we look to change the structure and someone are still not happy.

the manager we want was not available when ole got sacked so they got RR in to then go in his new role, assuming we have a better chance of getting our number 1 target in the summer.

9.) 18 Jan 2022 09:20:15
Bolger - who will take the role with RR looking over their shoulder with his breath tickling their neck? As
Red Man suggested above, do you think the club should back him and let him clear out players when he has a potential 6 month tenure?

Forget football, talking generally and frankly, that sounds incredibly short sighted and risk enduring.

10.) 18 Jan 2022 09:25:34
Hs's an upgraded Fred.
Runs about a lot and gets in a few tackles and scores 3-4 goals a season.
By the way we already have another two of those in Matic and Mctominay.
What a waste of 40-50 millions pounds.

11.) 18 Jan 2022 10:23:04
I don’t think Maze understands what Consultants do, RR has a 2 year deal on top of this temp management role to use his knowledge to change the club. It looks like they are not listening which doesn’t bode well. You are hung up with new managers when it is the structure of the club that needs review and change. In the meantime it looks like we just carry on with the old ways that got us in this mess. If we don’t listen to the consultant all that knowledge is wasted.

12.) 18 Jan 2022 10:31:12
Maze, I'm sure no club is ever contacting other managers and players when they're still under contract. Definitely not. Simply doesn't happen.

Please refrain from the pretentious habit of referring to yourself in the third person before pulling your own trigger while you're at it.

13.) 18 Jan 2022 10:53:16
McGinn has been linked previously, I don't personally see it, papers will link SAF and Fletcher at United and all 3 being Scottish and the need for a CM. I'm fully prepared for United to be linked with another dozen CM's before the end of the summer and for us to end up signing a RB!

14.) 18 Jan 2022 11:03:10
Red Man - notwithstanding you did not answer any of the questions offered to you or elaborate on your outlandish statements, Maze will entertain you with a response.

Maze understands very well how consultants work - first hand experience of the good the bad and the ugly. The big the small. The ethical and the mercenary. Trust that.

The structure of the club does need to change of that there is no doubt - is Ralf going to that single handedly? If he has all the answers why has it taken until 2022 to bring him in? Don’t kid yourself.

Spenno - if you are going to trade barbs with the Maze please educate yourself or at least present some substance. The youth of today do entertain Maze. All Xbox no acumen.

15.) 18 Jan 2022 11:08:00
we haven't had a proper football man above the manager for a decade.

the first sign we have someone with some influence we are saying its the wrong choice ( maze is saying its the wrong choice)

RR has experience in building clubs from above. Fletcher will be learning for 2 years at least on how to run footballing sides above the manager.

for fletcher that is fantastic and if R continues beyond his 2 years even better.

in my opinion they already have someone lined up, they will have prob already discussed this process with the potential manager or managers agent. just like with players we would have already made contact with potential managers and sold the project with RR role being explained.


in answer to your question i would rather RR do what needs doing now ready for when someone comes in the summer, if he has to stay on another 12 months and we wait for ten hag, even better,

SHORT TERM pain for LONG TERM gain.

for the first time in 10 years we are looking to build from above.

whats ironic is JOSE tried to tell us about the C.V.es and wanted to get rid but the powers above said no.

and here we are now finally seeing certain players for what they are. let RR ship them out, i'm going to trust this process a lot more than under OLE and woodward.

just don't go awol maze when we start looking like a actual decent run football club.

16.) 18 Jan 2022 11:27:25
Does he have influence Bolger? What has he influenced so far? How is the frank and robust dialogue going for him so far?

RR has experience of building clubs up? RBL, Hoffenheim? Those projects are nothing like MU. The models are completely different, the scrutiny on a far more unprecedented scale - not to mention the expectations, media etc.

RR won’t stay on for another 12 months. He doesn’t want to be the manager. He would rather be in the background letting other so the doing. In fact his CV (like OGS’s) does not pass the pub test to be MU manager - but here we are.

Someone like Ten Hag who has done very well recently will not want a baby sitter looking over their shoulder.

Bolger, Maze was told don’t go awol it will work out under LVG, don’t go awol OGS is galvanising MU. Still Maze waits, Maze grows weary.

17.) 18 Jan 2022 13:49:57
do you not think he will have influence MAZE?

what have they hired him for then? its already been confirmed he will have a say on who the next manager is and transfers might not be the final say might just be an opinion, but someone like RR you listen too, otherwise what is the point you may have kept woodward in the job

hes already said he would be willing to carry on if the club wanted him too, which wouldn't be a bad idea if the next manager is not available in the summer.

they are not going to have got RR in to try and implement his ideas to then send him above and the next manager be a total opposite

what do you think marc overmars job is at ajax? similar to RR maybe not exact the same but in some capacity to what RR will do when he isn't the interim

we have cried out for footballing people and a change in structure and we have started to implement this.

short term pain maze for long term gain.

hes not even been here for 5 minutes.

18.) 18 Jan 2022 13:53:09
All Xbox no acumen gave me a good chuckle maze ????.

05 Jan 2022 19:29:41
With the players loudly squealing already it is worth sharing some thoughts on what RR is likely doing.

Coach consultant, the club have employed him not just to coach but to dig, assess, report and recommend. As a consultant, the best way to assess and advise is to see detail as it happens, as it is.

RR has smoked the problems out quite easily, found the ones who do not want to change, who cannot get behind the manager unless it suits them and the ones who are prepared to throw the manager under the bus if he isn't nice to them.

Now he can sit with the board and give an initial assessment before starting the real change process. The last few days of back stabbing, moaning, complaining, undermining puts Lukaku recent comments in the shade. This needs fixing before we start to rebuild. RR can advise the restructure.

This may be painful, but no club can allow players to run it as they have tried to in the last few days. I just hope the club fully support RR in what is going to be a tough process.

1.) 05 Jan 2022 20:03:34
Hard not to think that Fergie is upset about the Ralf appointment as he had no say in it and Ralf is not a United old boy . Not like the cosy days of Ole, Phelan and Carrick who no doubt went to Fergie for advice and counsel on a regular basis, and no doubt Ronaldo is crying to Fergie at every opportunity about the fact that he’s not going to win the Ballon D’Or this year .

2.) 05 Jan 2022 20:11:31
Ole’s sessions were too basic and now Rangnicks are too technical according to leaks. We have a serious problem with a group of bad apples and fingers crossed rangnick can get them out.

Keane called it back when ole got the job, leopards don’t change their spots.

12 Dec 2021 08:51:30
Morning!

Norwich away is one of those tight grounds where the crowd is close. Their team had injury issues but did have a new manager and have improved of late. Even so we should expect more of Manchester United.

What I saw were several players who think they are superstars, with big fancy reputations, however were frankly terrible. Bruno apparently gave the ball away 27 times, Rashford was not much better, stats proved it but it was obvious just watching. When they lost the ball they gave up. We have some deeply ingrained bad habits from the last 3 years where the front players were just expected to do a bit of magic to create a couple of goals but no need to do anything beyond that. I can see we are doing the pass back and across far less, that there is now a very welcome effort to pass forward, I can see Dalot is a player we should never have considered selling. I can also see that Bruno and Rashford have to change or be sold, that simple. We all talk about Pogba and Lingard leaving, yet Bruno and Rashford have seemed untouchable. They are not and if there was something to critique Rangnick on yesterday it was that he kept those two on the pitch too long. Perhaps with Bruno the thinking is this must be a blip, his reputation was awesome and no doubt the previous manager and coaches were singing his praises, but that was in a different style where giving the ball away didn't matter as much because it brought the opposition out to counter attack them.

It will take some months to get the bad lazy habits out of some players systems, a win is a win, but in a team game, a team wanting to play modern football, not 80's and 90's stuff, then several have to wake up.

Lastly seeing Phelan on the bench yesterday was embarrassing, akin to the coach driver being on SAFs in his first game. A clear out is still needed and some players should also be wary of staying in the shirt.

1.) 12 Dec 2021 11:06:50
Bang on redman.
It will take time for players to adjust.
Doing what they liked for 3 years has got them into bad shape and bad habits. The lunatics were running the asylum.
It won't happen over night and will take months to form new habits and for those habits to become 2nd nature. As a result I'm not going to be too criticise on individuals just yet.
I fear for the same ones you do. I do think that any player not adjusting will be sold I hope so anyway.
Really interesting few months ahead. But at least we have wrestled control back from the loons and we have a plan.

2.) 12 Dec 2021 11:40:01
Even weeks before his departure Mourinho was saying the players still hadn’t been able to break out of their LvG programming. Find it a bit hard to believe, it’s not exactly rocket science altering a style of play but I think we all need a little more patience. 2 league wins and CL qualification for Ralf isn’t bad.

3.) 12 Dec 2021 12:02:52
Exactly how I saw it Red Man. The result papered over the cracks. Had we lost yesterday this forum would be in uproar. Our performance yesterday didn’t deserve a 1-0 victory and if we continue to play in that manner results will suffer.

It’s Rashford’s work off the ball which worries me. I don’t mind him trying stuff and running with the ball although I accept his end product has been missing for a while but his attitude to pressing or trying to win the ball back after he’s lost it is concerning.

Bruno must look after the ball better it’s as simply as that.

Rangnick must react after yesterday’s performance otherwise we’ll just end up in the same situation as Ole with underperforming players keeping their place in the team then results will undoubtedly suffer.

4.) 12 Dec 2021 12:44:44
Bruno ended last season very poorly and other than day 1 he has been poor this season. However, it’s not often that all the front four play so badly in the same game.

{Ed014's Note - the list of excuses just gets longer AJH.

5.) 12 Dec 2021 12:49:37
Sadly yesterday performance mirrored what I have been seeing for a long time and probably spans more than 3 years. In my opinion the players give a performance when needed (eg. New manager or after a poor performance) but then quickly revert to type a game or too later. I think ralf will look at this and have to be quite clinical regarding some players if they do not up their game. The tail cannot consistently keep wagging the dog.

6.) 12 Dec 2021 13:05:45
bookedredmole, you know what's a statement?
Rashford and bruno dropped to the bench while others play.
I might even drop ronaldo, but he's ronaldo, he needs 1-2 moments and he will turn the game on its head
Replace rashford with greenwood and play Donny for bruno and let's how we perform then.

7.) 12 Dec 2021 13:48:31
Rohanarora8 I think who ever plays it should be on merit and if they do not perform others get their chance so wouldn't be too unhappy to see these changes. If we are to press and apply pressure then it has to be as a team or it does not work. Winning your personal battles and putting maximum effort in for 90 minutes is what is needed and sadly I do not always see this with united. Saddens me to say that city and Liverpool have quality and work rate and we just have quality. ralf can coach them on what he wants but effort and professionalism on the pitch is down to the players.

8.) 12 Dec 2021 20:03:17
Red Man. I think Bruno will have to adjust his style. He's used to playing these clever but risky passes over the top of defenders. Unfortunately, they don't come off very often. He needs to play through passes on the ground. I think he's good enough to do it.
Rashford on the other hand, had no football brain, so I'm not sure if he's going to be as good as he should be. Also, his work off the ball is nil, and that's unacceptable.

09 Dec 2021 18:24:31
I am watching with interest the direction a manager, a real manager and leader, who knows what he doing, is taking us. Leadership has multiple requirements, one is to take everyone with you on the journey. By all accounts the players have been very impressed by Ralf Rangnick's methods and his personality - he is very decisive. They are also impressed by his attitude and his discipline. People think consultants just sit there with fancy ideas, they don't and I expect Rangnick will be hands on, giving much needed direction. We have to trust that the amateurs don't get scared but this is one move they must get behind and stay behind.

1.) 09 Dec 2021 20:05:15
The difference was quite clear last night as a neutral watching. Even with kids playing you had shape and discipline.
This site is a far less fun place for an LFC fan as it was a month ago.

2.) 09 Dec 2021 22:15:59
That's what really excites me about Rangnick. Any success on the pitch will be relatively short-lived seeing as he is only manager for 6 months (although I wouldn't be shocked if that turned into 18 months) .

It's his potential impact on the running and set up of the club, and it's long term potential benefits that really excite me.

29 Nov 2021 21:34:26
I have just read that a large flag banner will be passed across the Stretford End on Thursday with Ole on it as a thank you to him. It just highlights the ridiculous sentiment there is. New interim manager, yet still looking backwards tearfully. Farcical.

1.) 29 Nov 2021 23:04:46
I see no reason not to thank him. It wasn't his fault the club made a bad appointment. Nor does it imply that they want him to stay, only that they recognize his contribution to the club as a player and his efforts as a manager. Let's just be grateful that he's gone now and that, finally, it may have dawned on the management of the company that they need to move on from the Ferguson era. Pity it took them so long.

2.) 29 Nov 2021 23:10:29
Not really red man, if a selection of the supportors want to show there love for a man that is a legend as a player,

Regadless of his faults as manager he has left us in a much better place than when he took over

All we need is someone to get the confidence back and install a system, the season isn't dead just because we are 5 off top 4 and 12 off top and that us being a poor as we have that is nothing we with right manager and belief

It can't get any worse the only way is up.

But what it does show it that we have amazing fans that are willing to show a man who unfortunalty was unable to take us where we wanted,

But he will always be a someone that is loved regardless and shows that us united fans above the toxicness of a few are still the best fans in the world and show love to one of our own

I for one will be chanting his name thirsday regardless of how his time ended and regardless of how i thought of him as a manager.

3.) 29 Nov 2021 23:52:43
Good to see, the club will always have class and the fans doing something like that is very classy. Time to move on, but Ole will always be a legend at the club.

4.) 29 Nov 2021 23:56:00
He is regarded as a club playing legend I've no issue with that.
If the fans want to get that message to him and the rest of football I wouldn't argue against it.
As a player I was there and he gave everybody a moment none of us will ever forget.
As a manager he oversaw my most miserable 2 plus years, and that's as a fan for 47.
The 2 are separate. I feel many would have expected me to have been on dancing on his grave so to speak. But that's not been the case. I've empathy for anybody in his situation not withstanding it bring the right call despite it being way too late. I'm full of hope for the future and don't see the point in dwelling on a miserable tenure.
We are where we are now I'm only looking forward.
As the years go by I'm sure I'll forgive ole for what he put me through as a manager and erase it from my memory bank.
The less said about him for now the better imo but for some fans love is unconditional and while I don't agree or understand I respect their point of view and their right to share it.

5.) 30 Nov 2021 00:00:25
Red Man, he's gone fella. Let it go ?.

6.) 30 Nov 2021 10:09:59
As a club effort and trying ones best are the keystones to all of our success.

Hard work beats talent when talent forgets to work hard.

Ole wasn't good enough as a manager but that isn't due to a lack of effort. He no doubt gave his all to our club. As both a player and a manager.

While it's arguable that the squad and the club is in a stronger position now than when he took over.

I think it shows class to thank someone who tried their best for our club.

He's gone and he won't be coming back. With Rangnick now working with the club it looks like we won't repeat the mistakes of the past 10 years.

Just let it go.

7.) 30 Nov 2021 10:47:56
Perhaps the fans have realised that whilst he wasn't up to the job it was entirely his fault.

It is a sign of appreciation. His interview on MUTV showed how much Ole cares about the club.

8.) 30 Nov 2021 13:21:31
Were there banners for Moyes, LvG, Jose? They too tried their best i guess and all of them won more trophies than the inept one. Sentimental fools living in the past.

9.) 30 Nov 2021 13:23:11
It's a pity he did'nt get the Europa League win to have a trophy to show for his time as manager, he tried his best but was'nt good enough, but then again at a properly run club he never would have got the job in the first place so the people who deserve the most scorn are the people running the club.

10.) 30 Nov 2021 16:45:07
Ole has a banner from his playing career hung to thank him. As a manager he was abysmal, achieved nothing of note. Thanking a manager who managed us for 3 years and won nothing is embarrassing. Like the "Oles at the wheel" chants been sung by our rival fans, I am sure there will also be thanking him for achieving nothing.

LvG and Jose got no such treatment even though they achieved more.

11.) 30 Nov 2021 19:34:25
I am now convinced 3 or so posters had personal issues with Ole. He's gone, a couple of fans want to show him that they still are fond of him for his dedication to the club both as player and coach, and yet some posters are going berserk at this. Really?

It doesn't cost a thing to be nice. If you have nothing nice to say about the bloke why don't you just stay quiet. I tend to think the most miserable guys on here are just as miserable in their lives.

12.) 30 Nov 2021 19:50:24
Fair play to Ken for his reply but you are right Unruly, there are a few who can't let it lie.

13.) 30 Nov 2021 19:52:59
UA, there is a subtle difference when it comes to sacking a man that many fans have an emotional attachment to.

Ole due to his playing career is considered by many as "one of our own". The danger of hiring such a man is you can easily turn the fan base against the people running the club if/ when it comes time to sack/ remove that person.

There is already a narrative that the blame for Ole's failures lie above him and how the club is run.

Due to the unique nature of the relationship between the fans and the owners our club needs to handle things in a certain way. The signing of Ronaldo was almost certainly done in part to appease unhappy fans at the proposed failed ESL.

From a cynical point of view Ole's exit interview and the banner is all about the club (owners) showing love, appreciation and respect to a person they have had to sack. A man many fans feel a great deal of affection for and as such will be angry at another failed manager at what is clearly a poorly run club.

It's all about limiting backlash and stopping fans question who is running the club and potentially damaging protests.

While the fan in me hopes it's from a genuine place of affection for a man who tried his best but fell short. A man who is as much a fan as we are, a man who gave his all, which sadly wasn't enough.

Unfortunately I suspect it's more likely the cynical reasoning. We have a club that is all about looks over substance. As long as we appear to be being run correctly, as long. As we appear to be the biggest club in the world, etc. It's all about the image. That's why signing Ronaldo bumped up our share price, it made the club "look" like a big player, a serious contender, while adding a player with huge brand awareness. It doesn't really matter if Ronaldo is a success on the pitch, he'll be a big enough success off of it to make the transfer pay off.

14.) 30 Nov 2021 20:32:27
Noucamp

It’s not me you should be saying he’s gone let it go.

Unruly

You know nothing of me or my life so don’t write about it, trying to be clever.

Simon Jordan says the same. This is a sentimental piece of tosh that Manchester United should not be involved with.

There is nothing personal, I was there at the Nou Camp, when he scored that goal, sang his name at Barcelona airport, all the way home, at the parade and many games after.

However, this flying a flag and weeping over him after he failed as a manager, tells us exactly why we continue to fail, why fans are clouded about reality.

It isn’t me that needs to let go, it’s all the sentimental jobs who wave a flag like that, it is they who need to let go.

15.) 30 Nov 2021 20:47:24
Unruly, I don't know if I'm on your 3 man shortlist or not but the reason why it's embarrassing is because it's simply not done. Other managers at other clubs have done more and received less. This isn't the club/ fans making a gesture to a man who due to some unforseen circumstances had to leave. He managed us, he failed, he left. The circle of life.

Sing his name at the ground If they want to show support. A giant flag thanking a manager who our history books will show as one of our poorest managers is ridiculous.

I don't hate the man. I think he's a poor excuse of a manager and spent years bleating on about it here but that doesn't mean I dislike the man. I'm glad he's gone, he nicked a living for 3 years and was paid £7 million quid to leave a club he gladly would have relegated if it meant him staying in charge.

His playing status is in the history books and thankfully so is his managerial tenure with us.

I look forward to clapping after 20 minutes at each home game, retiring the number 20 and of course our annual Ole day, a day to remember his crowing achievement, an away win at PSG.

Onwards and upwards!

16.) 30 Nov 2021 21:14:44
I didn't even have to mention names.

17.) 01 Dec 2021 03:47:15
Unruly, i am assuming you are one of the three or probably a combination of all three in your display image here. don't try to be a judge of people you don't know.

Shappy, i am agreeing with most of your post. isn't what you are saying also what Red Man and myself have alluded to? Its all about emotion for the player Ole. And if that was the case why weren't there posters over the last 15 years? People need to get their heads out of Ole's ass now.

18.) 01 Dec 2021 07:49:17
UA, I don't think anyone has ever had their head up Ole's ass.

From the fans it might be sentiment and why shouldn't it. What is wrong with fans feeling sentimental about the club their love, or any of its past or present hero's


Surely for fans it's ALL about the sentimental attachment to the club.

As for the people running the club, are they doing that on sentiment? Definitely not in my opinion. I've never known investors to get sentimental in the running of one of their investments. Cold hard decisions made to maximise return and minimise investment.

For the people running the club they want smooth trouble free running. They don't want fan backlash as its costly and disruptive. As seen with the protests last season causing the postponement of the Liverpool game.

They know they are not loved by the fans, and they have just taken the decision to sack a man who is loved by many fans (for his achievements as a player) .

Honouring him from their perspective isn't about sentiment, it's about quelling potential fan backlash aimed at them.

19.) 01 Dec 2021 09:54:37
Shappy is completely right. The owners used the naive and gullible fans sentimentality against them hiring Ole and now they're continuing to do it.

This is like here in Ireland when the health services were being overrun, working in poor conditions, over worked. Instead of the government giving them a raise, improving their conditions like they should have done, instead they told people to stand in their gardens clapping for them at 6:00pm every night.

It's misdirection, it's manipulation. Has there ever been a man who achieved so little yet be so lauded?

20.) 01 Dec 2021 13:00:34
Mumbles, that might be taking paraphrasing to its absolute limits ?

I don't think the owners/ club used the fans sentimentality or even took it into account when hiring Ole.

Simply they brought him in as an interim manager, he did exceptionally well in that role, while the club got knock backs on other targets.
Apparently Spurs wants 20m+ compensation for Pochettino, something the club refused to consider.
So while they were struggling to come up with viable options, the interim did very well and there was a big push by certain people in the media for Ole to get the job full-time. The club were weak and went down the easy route.

At no point was it a sentimental choice. Ed Woodward and Joel Glazer never got dewy eyed remembering the 99 final. Neither did they think about hiring Ole simply because some fans were sentimental about him.

It was based on a combination of him doing better than expected, pressure from his friends and former colleagues in the media, and a lack of genuine options at the time.

21.) 01 Dec 2021 13:04:36
Let’s have applause at 20 mins in the game for his shirt number or add his name on the managers chair and leave it empty forever in recognition of Oles stint as manager. The flag and this nonsense is utter sentimental claptrap, heaven help us when m he pass away. We should have moved on as a club but this nostalgia holds us back so much.

22.) 01 Dec 2021 16:10:37
Red Man, we are a club filled with sentimentality.
Should we knock down the United Trinity statue?
Should we rename the Sir Alex or Sir Bobby stands, maybe get a corporate deal, they could be the Pepsi stand and the KFC stand maybe.
Let's stop honouring those that died in the Munich air disaster.
We can stop stadium tours, and throw all the trophies and photographs in a couple of boxes and stick them in the loft.
Stop talking about our history, no reminiscing about great matches or moments we remember.
That time your dad took you to your first game carrying you on his shoulders is a load of sentimental old claptrap and should be forgotten.
No moments of silence or a round of applause for former players, managers or coaches when they pass away.

Kill any sentiment or anything that you hold dear about the club. It's worthless, only winning matters.

Of course winning doesn't matter if it doesn't mean something, if you feel joy at winning then isn't that just sentimental bolloxs?

What is this frankly ridiculous war you seem to be waging against the very thing that makes supporting a club (any club) worthwhile?

I know you couldn't understand why the club didn't sack Ole sooner. But it certainly wasn't because the people making the decisions were "sentimental" about him.

I mean why do you support the club? Are you not proud of our history? Does supporting the club not bring you joy?

Are you that much of a Victor Meldrew that you have lost all affection and love for the club?

23.) 01 Dec 2021 16:42:41
Post, Shaps. I sometimes wonder why people follow a club, if not for the emotions it stirs. Is it really just a business to them, with winning trophies the only point to it all?

{Ed014's Note - just out of interest what recognition does Mark Robins get who without doubt scored a way more important goal than that joke of a manager you’ve just binned?

24.) 01 Dec 2021 18:01:31
Sentiments and emotions linked with the club and sentiments linked to a clown manager are 2 different things Shappy. The point is Shappy, how many banners for Scholes, Beckham, Keane, Neville etc? NONE. Then why for Ole that too right after his miserable reign as the manager? He did not try anything just favoured his favourite game after game. He just satisfied his own ego and looked after his bank balance.

25.) 01 Dec 2021 18:01:55
Shappy

Unreal nonsense post. All to defend the outpouring of grief over a failed manager.

I have had a journey of emotion with the club which included knowing a Munich survivor, the extreme highs and lows, home and away games, winning, relegation, it’s a journey you can’t possibly conceive when you write all these thousands of words of twaddle.

Therefore I suggest you don’t try to lecture me on what it means to be a United fan, because you really haven’t been there. There is a difference between sentiment and sentimental decisions and raw emotion.

I was there for SAFs last game, waved the red flag, sang the songs because he deserved it. Ole failed, won nothing and was sacked, the flag is a piece of rank sentimentality. We should have moved on without it,

26.) 01 Dec 2021 18:12:33
Stevie, could you imagine being in the seat in front of Red Man at Old Trafford? United score you jump up to celebrate and then you have Red Man barking in your ear telling you to sit down and pack it in with the sentimental crap.

I don't get it I really don't. He comes on here every February talking about the flowers of Manchester, but then posts ridiculous stuff like this bemoaning "sentimentality" because it suits his narrative now.

And people say I keep changing my opinion.

Like you say surely we all watch football to get those feelings of joy, to remember the great games, the great moments etc.

He seemed to get it in his head that Ole got the job and kept the job on sentiment. He didn't obviously, as the only people connected to the club who carry any real sentiment are the fans, and we don't get to make or influence any of the key decisions at the club.

Ole was hired by people who didn't know better, he was kept in the job because those same people believed in him. It's that simple. They were wrong obviously. But surely that is all by the by now. Ole is gone, sacked, he won't be picking line, taking a coaching session or representing the club as our manager again.

If the fans and the club want to honour him then fine, if you don't want to then fine. That is your choice, your opinion and you are entitled to it. But for god's sake let it go.

27.) 01 Dec 2021 18:23:17
Ed014, I think Robins gets widely credited for his role in saving Fergie's job, though the club always said his job would have been safe anyway.

To compare a bit-part player who had one special moment, with Ole as a player is a bit of a stretch. Scoring the winning goal in an ECL final, Fergie's first, to bring an end to the treble season, again a first, I think rates slightly higher in supporter's consciousness.

{Ed014's Note - a goal that set the whole Fergie era in motion is that easily discounted, I find that odd if I’m honest.

I’m not saying that Ole’s goal was not important but does that really warrant this crazy outpouring of emotion following his abject failings as a manager.

I can’t get my head around that, it was so obvious looking in that he stayed in that role, after lucking into it, simply for the kudos of being United manager.

To listen to his woeful pre and post match interviews was another level of cringe.

He truly made your club become even more of a laughing stock than any of those that went before him post Fergie.

28.) 01 Dec 2021 18:24:43
'Outpouring of grief' ?.

{Ed014's Note - maybe he was referring to the supporters of all the other clubs who have been hit hardest by his sacking! ?‍♂️??

29.) 01 Dec 2021 19:15:08
Ah right, I think I get it now Red Man. YOUR feelings and YOUR sentiment is important and means something. But that of others especially if it supports someone you don't like is nonsense and claptrap.

Just the absolute height of hypocrisy.

I'm not defending the "outpouring of grief" if that's what a banner is.

I have explained why the club are doing it, and that has nothing to do with sentiment.

I have explained why fans feel sentimental, and challenged your ascertain that sentiment has no place in football.

It was hardly a lecture, but if you say something foolish like "sentiment has no place in football" then I will absolutely challenge it.

Absolute absurd nonsense from you.

30.) 01 Dec 2021 19:41:32
Ed014, there's so much hyperbole around right now. Most Utd fans I know have a soft spot for Ole, and wanted him to succeed. But we were also aware that he proved to be out of his depth. This outpouring of grief nonsense is so wide of the mark. A certain regret it didn't turn out the way we hoped, yes. Grief-stricken? Hardly.

{Ed014's Note - It just seems the page has got a little daft with all this stuff surrounding Ole.

Wasting 1000’s of words on something and someone worth just a few, those being thanks and goodbye.

31.) 01 Dec 2021 20:18:38
Ed14

I shake my head, some just cannot see how ridiculous this flag is and as you say these crazy emotional outbursts.

Shappy

You don’t get the difference between the United Trinity statue, the Sir Alex or Sir Bobby stands, trophies and Ole who failed as a manager. I understand the emotion of the club, but there is no justification for the sentimental outpouring resulting in the flag.

32.) 01 Dec 2021 21:35:30
To be fair Ed014, it was Red Man who put up the OP. Most of us are just looking forward to seeing how the new guy does. Now, I'm away to get my hankie. This is all getting too much for me. And that's for wiping away my tears, not anything else, before someone replies with a smutty comment ?.

{Ed014's Note - ?? that’s my thinking, lots to look forward to, nothing worthwhile looking back at.

33.) 02 Dec 2021 00:37:13
'Crazy emotional outbursts' ?.

34.) 02 Dec 2021 08:52:58
Stevie, oh the irony that the only "emotional outburst" was in the original post by the very person now claiming people are too emotional.

You couldn't write this stuff.

35.) 02 Dec 2021 11:55:13
Shappy

You just don’t get how stupid we look for flying a flag to say thank you to a failed sacked manager. Thousands of words pour out of you full of nonsense about our history, much of it you never experienced yourself, yet you, like some others just look back, I want to look forwards. Again, you refer to emotion, I referred to sentiment. Sentiment is flying a flag when we should have drawn a line and moved on. Looks like some cannot get away from the sentiment of 1999. Sentiment not emotion.

36.) 02 Dec 2021 13:00:01
Red Man, you accuse everyone of wanting to look back. Yet from what I've seen on here over the past week is everyone excited and looking forward to the club's new direction under a new manager.

The only person who is repeatedly looking backwards and starting conversations about our now ex-manager is you.

If you want to look forward then forget Ole, forget everything that happened under him, it's all history now. Instead maybe talk about what the future, what your thoughts and hopes are for the new manager and beyond.

It is you who is the broken record stuck with Ole on repeat. Ole seems to be living rent free in your head and you just don't know how to shift him.

You're worried about how the rest of the world will view us putting up a flag as a symbol to say that Ole still has a place in the hearts and minds of United fans. It's a flag, they get put up and taken down all the time. It's not a statute, we aren't renaming a stand after him, we won't be playing at the Solskjaer arena, it'll still be Old Trafford.

It's a god damn flag that 99% of the non-United fans will never know about let alone care about. Most United fans will probably never know of it. It'll be tomorrow's chip wrapper before you know it.

Since Ole has been sacked there has been maybe 12 posts about Ole, of which you have posted 10 of them.

Get over it, the more you post about Ole, even after he's been sacked, the more it just comes across like a personal vendetta.

37.) 02 Dec 2021 13:26:30
Like you did with Jose shappy?

38.) 02 Dec 2021 14:26:41
Exactly Ken, I didn't bother writing posts specifically about Jose once he left.

I may have referenced back to him when comparing what was happening to what had happened before.

But I didn't write posts about him once he was gone. It was never personal with me and Jose. I respect him as a manager, and even liked him when he was clever, articulate and cheeky earlier in his career. His attitude soured while at Real Madrid, and he carried that with him to Chelsea and us. I never thought he was a good fit for our club, and in the end I guess I was proven right. I backed him to start his third season having felt he had earned the right after a decent second place finish. Although had reservations about how he was handling things. It then totally unraveled in his third year, yeah shock right, and it became apparent that he needed to leave.

My issues where that I thought his handling of the players was outdated, and in some cases borderline bullying. His tactics and style of play were never my cup of tea. While I also had concerns about his ability/ intention to blood youngsters.

I'm happy to discuss any of this if asked or prompted. But I don't and didn't just write posts knocking a manager after they left.

39.) 03 Dec 2021 08:21:08
Shappy

The post was about the stupid sentimentality of a flag and you clearly still don’t get it.

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03 Dec 2021 06:41:33
We should applaud Carrick, he is not waiting around to be paid off, had the courage to go before pushed. Well done Michael. If only Phelan, McKenna and co had the same conviction.

I watched Carrick and the player was quality, his way of leaving quality.

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22 Nov 2021 12:12:52
Blanc as interim consideration only and then I am not sure. If he won a few games the ridiculous clamour for a permanent position would start and likely Ole mark 2. We need to learn the lessons that ex players do not always make the best choice, stop the sentimental tosh. Actually, what league is he managing in right now and how is he doing?

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11 Nov 2021 14:19:01
The Wakey Wakey story was reported in the main stream press in an Article about how Ronaldo was shocked at the situation he has found since coming back. It wasn’t tittle tattle from social media.

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09 Nov 2021 08:18:05
Eric

The club really need to

Can you imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches? It will very quickly start to become damaging to the club.

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09 Nov 2021 07:34:56
Ken

I found it very strange they have given everyone a week off. After such calamitous defeats I would have expected extra training. We might conclude and the best explanation is that the players are now so entrenched against what the manager is asking, they really don’t believe what the coaches are doing. It could be antagonistic putting the dead man walking managed in charge of DvB and Sancho, major club assets. Therefore, take them all out of the firing line whilst they deal with the situation. It is hard to imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches next week given what has been reported, insurrection would be more likely. When even Rio has now seen the light the club must realise time is up.

The ideal time is when he is in Norway, home, there are no unsavoury pictures of him looking more shell shocked than after the last game. He has privacy there.

Let’s hope the club make decisions on his future quickly. I doubt he will get near the Norwich job though.

The thing is Conte was available, now they have very few quality managers to choose from, I am not convinced by Zidane. Step one first, Ole must go.

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18 Jan 2022 10:24:34
AAA

Completely agree some of these players should have been out the door fast. Martial’s feet would not have touched the floor under SAF. I worry that Fletcher has far too much influence.

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18 Jan 2022 10:23:04
I don’t think Maze understands what Consultants do, RR has a 2 year deal on top of this temp management role to use his knowledge to change the club. It looks like they are not listening which doesn’t bode well. You are hung up with new managers when it is the structure of the club that needs review and change. In the meantime it looks like we just carry on with the old ways that got us in this mess. If we don’t listen to the consultant all that knowledge is wasted.

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18 Jan 2022 07:02:06
MAZE

Three years £420m spent and we don’t have a central midfield. A decent signing in there could make a difference.

RR was identified correctly for me, as a consultant to shake us out of the cultural reboot looking at 1980’s methods to replace SAF with someone who will be here years.

The McGinn story reeks of the past with SAF in the background and Fletcher as technical director, a position I have yet to see him justify including his career.

RR doesn’t need to take the manager job long term, but to me it already looks like the club are not listening, just carrying on what they did before. That is the mess. If they do that the club will be even more of a laughing stock.

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13 Jan 2022 11:16:36
I used to have plenty of discussion with Sydney when I first came on and recall REDFAITH as well who very occasionally pops up now.

I also remember Blair Mayne.

IAMKLOOT later RAINFISHTROMBONE was a tough uncompromising character who made plenty of comments on the owners but some were too much. I seem to recall KLOOT correctly predicted the Moyes arrival well before it happened.

I remember Zee, AJH.

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11 Jan 2022 19:14:53
What year did they start Ed?

I was on here before you officially registered your name so will be interesting to know what year they started. I can date my posting back to August 2010 due to something that happened then.

{Ed033's Note - Usernames started on here Feb 2013.