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21 Nov 2023 06:29:32
Rumour is we are planning to replace DOF John Murtough as part of significant changes when Ratcliffe invests, good, very good in fact. I suggest they also look at Darren Fletchers position as well.

Red Man

1.) 21 Nov 2023 12:16:10
Red man, agreed.

Too long, we have had people in positions who do not have the level of experience to run this club.

Arnold, Murtaugh, Fletcher. 1 gone, 2 to go. Only then will we start to see real change.

2.) 21 Nov 2023 12:21:41
Think all “leadership” group will be replaced as new owners reset the structure (or lack of) .

New leadership spine of:

Owner/ chairman: SJR/ SJBrailsford

CEO: Jean Claude Blanc (apparently amazing at what he does)

DoF: Paul Mitchell (hopefully)

All pulling in the same direction - and bringing in experiences learnt with Nice - should really get United going in the right direction pretty quickly.

No idea what Darren Fletcher does.

3.) 21 Nov 2023 12:38:29
Fletcher is supposed to be a bridge for academy to first team in terms of support and recommending players to move up. I think. Could be very wrong.

4.) 21 Nov 2023 13:07:25

His title is technical director, on what basis was he given that role. Technical and Fletcher don’t seem to match to me.

5.) 21 Nov 2023 13:50:19
I would expect they will review the whole structure if it has not already been done as part of the due dilligance. It could be that the role that people have like Fletcher just does not exist in the new structure and potentially new roles created.
With Arnold confirmed gone and Murtaugh certain to follow there will be a new direction, hopefully it will lead us in the right direction for the future.

6.) 21 Nov 2023 14:22:19
I don't know much about Jean-Claude Blanc but I read a few reports on him and he seems highly thought of and when he moved to Juventus during the period they were relegated, he focused on rebuilding the team and technical staff so I'd imagine he will, if he comes in, will look to shake a few things up.

7.) 21 Nov 2023 18:20:08
If its Mitchell, then it's up to him to decide on who and what jobs he needs. If he sees Fletcher has sufficient abilities to fulfill a role in his team then he should keep him. If he doesn't then he must go.

Personally I have no idea what he does, wasn't Micky Butt promoted from the academy head to do that role previous, I rather fancy it's a bollox job for Fergies old boys.

8.) 22 Nov 2023 03:04:07
And yet, Joel glazer and the glazer family still control the club. Maybe they will want to keep Murtough as their guy on the inside? Seems highly unlikely that the full structure of the club is completely designed by SJR. In fact it seem optimistic at best that he can get full control of the football side. How long until they clash on an issue? Seems like we will have a very odd structure for a business.

9.) 22 Nov 2023 06:24:02

Hence the points I made regularly about the Glazers still having control, for me to be then hounded by the usual suspects for saying it. I suspect that Rat may want changes but the Glazers have diffferent objectives, like with Martial, they may want their favourites, particularly those who looked after them to stay in place. A 100% buyout was what we needed. We shall see what the leeches allow.

10.) 22 Nov 2023 08:32:58
Murtough has no plans to go according to the Guardian.

11.) 22 Nov 2023 09:31:21
Murtough and Arnold improved on what we had but ultimately neither appears equipped to rebuild the club. Had they come in at a time when structures at the club were right then things may have worked out better for them, but we need experts in those roles now. However I won't be lumping them in with Ed Woodward who had far more to do with the current state.

12.) 22 Nov 2023 09:56:03

I can bet he doesn’t but if leeches want him to stay and Rat wants him to leave, who wins? Leeches still have control and there may be a few situations like that.

13.) 22 Nov 2023 09:56:32
Lots of conflicting info being briefed out of United as leaders who have failed in their responsibilities scramble to pass on the blame and save their careers.

Expect Blanc and Mitchell with install a new leadership team and structure and either move on existing staff or ease them into alternative positions (ie move Murtough back to looking after the youth team where he did well before being hopelessly promoted out of his depth. )

14.) 22 Nov 2023 22:01:56
We have seen many false dawns at United over the last 10 years, this could be another one.

15.) 23 Nov 2023 23:11:44
Nothing will change imo, glazers and sjr will fall out by the summer, old trafford will still be falling apart and we will keep falling further back from the top teams. You can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd and that's our situation.

16.) 24 Nov 2023 09:15:28
Sad to see how many people have had all the hope kicked out of them.

I don't expect to see massive changes instantly, I expect we'll see some big changes behind the scenes, but that it'll take time to filter down and we start seeing the results.

For example let's say we change the DoF to someone like Paul Mitchell by the end of the year. He will change recruitment, but we won't see the benefits of that probably until the summer after next. If he decides the scouting set and player recruitment team needs ripping up and starting again, that'll easily take him until next summer to just get the right people and the correct set up. That won't give them enough time to be in place and have a well scouted selection of targets for the summer. So the benefits of those changes won't be seen until summer 2025, when they've had a year to be in place and do their job.

The problem is that many fans will see a new DoF join in December, and then judge them on any January signings we make. People expect instant change/ success.

I don't think the Glazers and SJR will fall out for two reasons. Firstly, I trust SJR to have the savvy to work with people without falling out.
Secondly, I think the root of our problems with the Glazers comes from their apathy towards the club. They aren't micromanaging the club, refusing to give over any control to anyone else. The problem isn't oversteer it's that they have taken their hands off the wheel for the most part.

So I don't believe the two parties will fall out, ones savvy and the other doesn't care enough. I think they will probably work pretty well together.

Both want the club to be successful, as it increases the value on their investment. The difference is one has experience of running a club and know what is required, while the others have no idea despite owning a club for 18 years. The Glazers have always given over running the club to other people accepting they didn't know what to do (while probably not wanting to either) . The problem is they handed over the running of the club to people who didn't know what they were doing either.

From the Glazers perspective this deal is fantastic. They sell 25% and get a nice pay off, while still keeping the majority. The person buying in will then assume control of the running of the club (something the Glazers have never wanted to do anyway) . They will take the responsibility of sacking/ moving on those who've done a poor job at the club.
If they do a good job then the Glazers asset will increase in value, if it doesn't work out then SJR will take the stick from the fans rather than the Glazers.

I see absolutely nothing there that the Glazers will be unhappy about.

While SJR will aim to own the majority of the club down the line, and will no doubt have a plan for how that will happen. In the meantime he will want to get the club back on track. If he can be the one to get the club back to where it belongs he will secure a legacy at his boyhood club. While also increasing the value of his investment.

This should be a good move for Manchester United, it won't be instant, and it's a long road back. But we appear to be going in the right direction at last.



17 Jul 2022 17:00:14
Good afternoon

I don't usually post these, however I saw United linked with a striker at Stuttgart, Sasa Kalajdzic . Not seen the name before, no idea who he is but grateful for any guidance on him.
Thanks in advance, even if it is read the posts (I am not great on searches like that on here, maybe there could be instructions somewhere? )

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - Sasa Kalajdzic (S) Stuttgart will push for him to sign a new contract. Agent has offered him to Brighton, Roma and Spurs - as they did last summer to Chelsea and Crystal Palace - and probably many other clubs. Bayern Munich are keen on the player but have a preferred target. The same is true of Borussia Dortmund.}

1.) 17 Jul 2022 18:36:44
Thank you Ed002.



02 Jul 2022 20:18:29
Before anyone starts criticising Ronaldo, why blame him for wanting to leave. Ron has maybe one or two seasons left where he could play Champions League level football. We can't give him it this season, plus, if we are honest with each other, given the continuing mess, it's unlikely the season after either.

I hope the club act professionally and don't start denying him an exit so that the whole thing will decline into a grubby argument only settled on the last day of the window when too late to buy anyone. The club need to let a club legend go without rancour.

We are that much of a mess they are talking about Calvert Lewin, how far we have fallen. How far putting Moyes and particularly Ole in charge, took us down. Instead of buying wingers the club should have bought a striker. Ole sold Lukaku and thought Martial was the answer.

Don't be surprised if we put a bid in for Neymar, after all he fits our utter shambles of transfers in recent years.

Red Man

1.) 02 Jul 2022 20:27:35
We are where we are, we know we need a complete rebuild and that at the moment we cannot attract the top top talent.
I for one would just be happy to see 11 players on the pitch next year working their nuts off and see where we are at come the end of the season.

2.) 02 Jul 2022 21:25:41
I was thinking Neymar myself to be honest Red Man…. I’d really hope we don’t do it.

3.) 02 Jul 2022 21:32:23
I don’t think top 4 this season need be beyond our dreams (assuming we get the players we seem to have in the works - otherwise of course not) and this is exactly what Ten Hag will be saying to Ron, surely. The same thing Ron was told by Fergie when Real came calling. You’re still in contract, give us one more year.

4.) 02 Jul 2022 21:41:00
So wonder who will be captain now then?

5.) 02 Jul 2022 21:57:59
If a player doesent want to be here then sell him

Doesnt matter who they are.

6.) 03 Jul 2022 01:22:59
100% agree Red Man, Ronaldo will leave either this summer or next. Why make it an unsightly mess. Who really benefits from that? Not the club, not the player and not the fans.

There are legitimate questions about whether he would suit the style of play we expect EtH to play.

He obviously isn't a long term option.

Personally I'd like it if he can stay his final year as it delays the need to heavily invest in a striker. However, that comes with the caveat that BOTH Ronaldo WANTS to be here AND EtH WANTS him as part of his squad.

If either Ronaldo wants to leave or EtH doesn't want him as part of the squad then it's for the best that he leaves this summer rather than a whole season of discontent.

7.) 03 Jul 2022 08:13:24
If we after Neymar i would be so disappointed. It would be a bit of the same bs we have witnessed year after year.

8.) 03 Jul 2022 09:15:17
I don't understand all the noise tbh.

I haven't read anything saying that the club won't let him go.

Also, Ronaldo did say that he wants to go "if the proper offer arrives", which obviously still didn't happen.

Lets just wait and see.

9.) 03 Jul 2022 09:25:52
I think Ronaldo would be of more value to us in a swap deal than in a straight sale:

30m + CR7 for Osimhen
Straight swap for Gnabry
30m + CR7 for De Ligt

Those kind of deals may be doable.

I just don’t see the Roma/ Napoli links being true. He wants to leave to win titles, yet neither of those two have a cat in hell’s hope of winning Serie A next season. I can only think it’s Bayern, in which case we should be asking for Gnabry, Pavard, Upamecano or Goretzka.

Strikers-wise, we now need two.

10.) 03 Jul 2022 10:06:18

11.) 03 Jul 2022 10:29:04
It's three questions.
Will they let him go? He's under contract after all.
Is there a suitable club that wants/ can afford him?
Who to replace him with? Obviously the club will have been eyeing up CR7's long-term replacement for next summer, it's a question of whether any of those might be available a season earlier.

12.) 03 Jul 2022 11:23:26
If he wants to go, then let him go, he looking after himself which he has the entitlement to do so, he feels that he has 2-3 years left to win something individually before retirement

The club doesn’t need another episode of Lingard and Pogba even though I think Ronaldo would conduct himself more professionally if he was forced to stay

Ronaldo made that decision so we have to let him move on for the betterment of him and the club. He will be highly regarded and loved by the fans but I don’t think he be getting the Paul Scholes, Gary Neville treatment.

13.) 03 Jul 2022 15:14:52

In terms of valuations of Osimhen and de Ligt from their respective clubs, United would need to offer closer to £60m + CR7 for either.

Ultimately, neither would be interested in sacrificing CL for what would ultimately represent a punt - never going to happen.

£30m + CR7 might work for Lewandowski, but he'd also likely have no intention of dropping to EL football.

United need to box clever.
No CL - bye-bye top table.
Winning nothing - bye-bye second table.
Still no clear direction and at the beginning of a rebuild - United are on that squeaky seat avoided by everyone else at the third table.

I'd rather we signed Ivan Toney than get a spent and/ or unproven striker from another league just to fill a gap and, let's be real, even he'd be unsure.

Ronaldo was a mistake. Yes, he's a proven scorer, but he's not the machine he once was. When United signed him, they could offer CL football - that's when they should have been in properly for the likes of Martinez, Osimhen, etc. Instead, the decisions were made by idiots.
United haven't missed the boat, they ignored the boarding time to focus on a vintage car - plenty of short-term flash, but lacking it's former pedigree.

United need to avoid making poor decisions and focus on what they have and what they can offer.

That said, they've spent all this time on FdJ who, according to reports, does not want to come.
He was reported as saying the same before the window opened.
Yet, United have ignored that reality because there's far too much arrogance at the club.
They should have focused on M-Savic, Kessie, Zakaria, Neves or Tielemans, but no, they want some marquee name - sheer stupidity.

United have learned nothing and will continue to achieve as much until they quit hiring idiots.

14.) 03 Jul 2022 15:17:17
Is anyone blaming Ronaldo? I think the majority of fans fully understand why he would want to move on. And, from what I could gather, he stated that it was "if a suitable offer" was made. No demands, just an indication of preference. He's acting like a gentleman.

15.) 03 Jul 2022 17:02:28
Let's be honest. If it's a player we like, we make all sorts of excuses for him wanting to leave, and it's everyone elses fault. If it's one we don't like, it's the player's fault.

16.) 03 Jul 2022 17:45:35
Easy, I’ll answer the OP on this one.

Because he’s obviously got his agent to tout him around, the club found out and issued the not for sale statement and he wants out without giving up a shed load of cash. That’s why.

If he wants to leave, he should put in a request.

17.) 03 Jul 2022 18:28:12
Makes me laugh all these quotes that Ronaldo loves the club etc etc!

No he doesn’t! He’d have 100% signed for City if Sir Alex hadn’t have stepped in. There’s only one thing Ronaldo loves and that’s himself. Otherwise he’d see his contract out and put the rebuild of United before his ego!

And if he thinks he’s walking into a prospective Champions league winning side he’s dreaming. Roma and Napoli been mentioned…. be lucky if either of ‘em get into the knock outs!

18.) 03 Jul 2022 22:28:59
Woggle, is FdJ a marquee signing? He’s won very little. Would he be a great signing normally? Maybe not. But he’s the ideal signing for this manager who had him in the heart of his team previously, who obviously wants to use the same blueprint here.



10 Nov 2021 19:24:31
I read this today. Apparently during one of Ole's 20 defeats at Old Trafford, the opposition dug-out were puzzled when he stayed in his seat as Manchester United conceded a goal, then amused when one of his staff entered the technical area to pass on wisdom and shouted 'Wakey wakey'.

We know Ole and team are not up to it, but seriously are the board going to allow this utter pantomime to continue.

Red Man

1.) 10 Nov 2021 19:59:25
Blimey. Ed has there been any developments regarding a potential change in the club management / coaching?
Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - What do you have expected to change today.}

2.) 10 Nov 2021 20:37:26
I’m not sure to be honest. A wide range of opinions and views out there presently. Some outlets claiming Rogers will be the next permanent manager, some saying OGS will remain as manager until the Summer, others saying Ralf Rangnik is keen to take over asap.

Given it’s the international break, I did wonder if this might be a more suitable time to make a change (if the club were going to) .

I ask you as you seem to be the only person that actually provides useful and accurate info.

3.) 10 Nov 2021 22:17:02
Ed002 translation TOHOM - No change.

4.) 11 Nov 2021 07:23:31
I don't know if this is true or not, but I do find the timing of it being reported odd.

Nothing about which game it was, or when this happened. But if this wasn't the City game then whoever knew about this didn't publish it for weeks, maybe months. Why?

Now whether this is true or not it doesn't change the fact that Ole isn't good enough and needs replacing. However, if it is fabricated or if it has been sat on until now then you might want to question why a member of the press has done that.

5.) 11 Nov 2021 10:46:31
Would I be surprised if it were true? NO
Do I think it actually happened? Probably not.

Frankly it sounds like one of those stories/ jokes that get so widely spread they eventually are passed on as true. Much like so many transfer and football "news"

6.) 11 Nov 2021 12:58:00
But you have to wonder why they would wait any longer before making a change? This is the ideal time to do it that will have minimal impact on the squad etc.

I’d be amazed if we haven’t approached other clubs and/ or managers over the past two weeks, even if only to make enquiries.

Any accuracy in that Ed? (He asks with fingers crossed)

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation - nothing has changed.}

7.) 11 Nov 2021 13:09:23
TOHoM, it's simple. The people the club would consider (EtH, Rodgers and Pochettino) aren't available. End of.

So the club's decision is carry on with Ole until one of them is available. Or try and find a short term solution.

The reality is very few people would be prepared to step in on short notice for a short amount of time without getting something else in return.

Rangnick would be interested if it lead to a DoF type role next summer. While managers like Blanc wouldn't consider it unless they had a decent chance of getting the job full time if they do well.

So you're left with options like Bruce or Allerdyce as the only people who might take on a short term role with no hope of a long term position.

The best we can hope for is PSG decide to axe Pochettino and replace him with Zidane sooner rather than later and the club moves for Pochettino. Other than that they will hold on as long as they can with Ole.

8.) 11 Nov 2021 13:16:41
Thanks Ed and Shappy for replies.

‘Available’ though is ambiguous given not one of those 3 is out of contract come the Summer so surely enquires will have to be made to explore whether any of them will be interested?

9.) 11 Nov 2021 13:52:43
Well at least talk of Potter has gone quiet.

10.) 11 Nov 2021 14:19:01
The Wakey Wakey story was reported in the main stream press in an Article about how Ronaldo was shocked at the situation he has found since coming back. It wasn’t tittle tattle from social media.

11.) 11 Nov 2021 14:37:52

Potter is a great tactician and we could do a lot worse.

12.) 11 Nov 2021 14:50:19
Red Man, I'm not saying it was. But your not a fool and know better than to believe everything in the main stream media.

The question is if this didn't happen recently then why only report it now?

13.) 11 Nov 2021 15:17:06
TOHoM, I think by "available" you can assume it means prepared to walk out of their current job mid-season to take over United.

These are people after all, many with young families and moving them, particularly children, half way through a school year is not ideal. People like EtH and Pochettino have families settled in different countries, which might not be suitable to leave their families there until the summer while they work in England.

While any manager currently in a job may actually want to finish the season at that club. Also ask yourself would you want a manager who shows such little integrity to just leave a project halfway through because a shiny now one is offered?

There are a few good managers out there who might work well for our club. But they for one reason or another don't appear to be available to join the club mid-season. So do we hire the wrong man now just to get rid of Ole? Is there any logic in replacing the wrong man with another wrong man?

Let's not pretend sacking managers is easy, or cheap.

Does it make more sense to continue with Ole now and get the right man next summer, rather than sack Ole now hire the wrong man. Still fail this season but be stuck with the wrong manager for next season as well. While the right manager might move elsewhere and become unavailable.

14.) 11 Nov 2021 16:56:21
Have you ever heard of confirmation bias Red Man? Just wondering.

15.) 12 Nov 2021 00:07:55
What makes sense shappy is rangnick until the end of the season then offering him a director role on the footballing side. Then plan as to who we bring in at the end of the season.

16.) 12 Nov 2021 07:00:25
RedWhiskey, I wouldn't be against that. However, the club already has a DoF and a Technical director in both Murtagh and Fletcher.

Will the club want to go down that route which means firing at least one of Murtagh or Fletcher down the line and probably restructuring parts of the club.



30 Aug 2021 19:01:06
Apparently Daniel James is going to Leeds for £30m. Marco Bielsa is having a medical in the morning.

Red Man

1.) 30 Aug 2021 19:50:45
Think Bielsa needs a medical if he’s paying £30m for James lol.

Great business.

2.) 30 Aug 2021 20:17:22
What a deal :)
Hope we invest in a midfielder now.

{Ed014's Note - someone over there must have taken a shit ton of drugs!🤦‍♂️

3.) 30 Aug 2021 23:32:01
He seems overawed at man utd, maybe a move to a small club will serve him well 😏.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 11:34:03
Quality Red Man, quality.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 11:35:58
Really wish we could swing this into a Phillips transfer.




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17 Nov 2023 06:58:51
Rumoured that SJR is expected to take guidance from SAF as he undertakes an overhaul of the club. He should be seeking advice from Ralf, SAF brought us Moyes and with respect whilst we need to learn from the past, the old ways don't work the same. Modernise, look at what City did, not how SAF did it in the 80's.

Red Man

1.) 17 Nov 2023 07:30:59
Probably just a load of bs from a bored journalist on a slow day.

2.) 17 Nov 2023 07:41:48
I agree Red Man. It is believable. I just hope SJR is shrewd enough to pick out the useful bits. Yes SAF the best at player management. However, a terrible scout of managers and a chequered history (amazing on pitch success, falling out over horses and cosying up to the Glazers) does leave me baffled as to the value of his wisdom. Anything other than “support the manager wholeheartedly” should be treated with caution.

3.) 17 Nov 2023 12:19:25
Ratcliffe is essentially buying 25% of the club and taking on 100% responsibilities. Getting a little rubber stamp from Fergie is what you'd expect. Used for guidance when needed but I'd assume the new personal coming in will already know what they're doing and won't need any guidance.

I don't think there's much in this story at all.

4.) 17 Nov 2023 13:22:55
It's not a story mumbles. Fishing for the gullible fools.
Sjr would be a fool not to listen to what sir Alex has to say. There is a difference between listening and actioning on those words.
Why would he talk to Ralph? The guy was an unmitigated disaster at united.
Where has he done a good job anywhere at a top club? Actually not sure he had ever been employed by a top club.
The fishing line will hook some the silly billys into believing something more. But you have to remember some of those folks want failure so will jump on every negative report regardless of what source it comes from.

5.) 17 Nov 2023 13:46:27
Media speculation most likely.

Even if its not I don't see an issue with that at all. People take advice from their doctors about cutting down on drinking or quitting smoking. Doesn't mean they will act on that advice.

Personally I think it'd be foolish not to listen to what SAF has to say on Manchester United. I can't think of many people with greater authority to speak to about the club now.

Gaining that information cannot be a bad thing. Greater knowledge is never a bad thing.

I trust that SJR understands the difference between listening to advice and blinding doing everything everyone tells him to do. I can't imagine he would be able to be the self made billionaire he is by just blindly following advice.

Besides SJR will look to hire qualified people to run the club, a new CEO probably a new DOF, no doubt followed by a raft of new people across the club and a shake up of the current structure.

Red Man, you seem to have gotten yourself into a bit of a negative spiral. You are quickly becoming a parody of Victor Meldrew.

Every time a press report comes out speculating about one thing or another you are there slapping your hand onto your forehead proclaiming "I don't believe it" with a mix of frustration, anger and exasperation.

Why do you choose to believe every negative report and sceptical of any positive ones? Why do you always choose to see or expect the worst?

Exactly how does that benefit you, improve or enhance your quality of life?

Everyday you are on here complaining about this report or that report and why that is a disgrace or just plain wrong.

Firstly, its all rumours and mostly guff. Secondly, why even give it the time of day? Especially as all it seems to do is wind you up and bring a level of unhappiness/ dissatisfaction to your life.

Man, I think you need a holiday.

6.) 17 Nov 2023 15:05:53
Pot and kettle Shappy, you believe every good report that comes out if it suits your narrative!

7.) 17 Nov 2023 17:03:25
Correct. There is a difference between listening and actioning on those words.
Ralph should not have been coach, he should have been there to restructure, reset. That was the issue, they didn’t listen to the expert consultant, they themselves brought in.

Looks like we are not allowed to question anything, just sit smiling and happy or you get jumped on by the site thought police.

8.) 17 Nov 2023 18:35:06
Ken, people tend to forget that part. You're a fool and ignorant if you willing choose not to listen to people who have achieved success. Especially if you are hoping of achieving similar success.

However, listening to what some has to say and acting on it is very different. You should never just blindly do what someone says. Mothers tell their children "would you jump off a bridge if he told you to do it" when they use that excuse for why they did something. But that's where it should stop, in childhood. Once you're a grown adult you should always be listening, and then critically analysing what people tell you.

As for Rangnick, a lot of what he said has proven true, and a lot of what he said we need to do I suspect we will see actioned under SJR.

His real expertise was never utilised by the club, but that's because he cast a light on the mistakes of people at the club who cannot and will not accept they have made mistakes.

9.) 17 Nov 2023 18:52:01
But ralph has never done it at a big club. He obviously had some good ideas but no track record at a top club. Perhaps he was not good at communicating and even if that's not the case he was communicating to non subject matter experts.
I think all the coulda woulda shoulda hindsight talk is daft. It's gone.
There are lots of mistakes over the last 10 years we all know that.
Nobody is the site police apart from the eds.
You make lots of negative comments over 85% of your posts are negative probably a good deal higher than that actually. You have a problem with replies to those. If your constantly negative expect people to counter that.
Nobody has ever said anything to you that you have not said or written about the owners. So live by the sword and all that. Nobody here knows you any better than you know the glazers so it's no more personal.
It's not a matter of site police its a matter of people countering your negativity and negative posts.
Keep it coming positive people will always try to be positive. You like wallowing in the problems I like looking forward in hope for realistic solutions.
Your disdain for the owners is clearly tainting your outlook on every aspect of the club.
Nobody trying to control anything but if you post the way you do then expect to be countered on it. The negativity that pours out of nearly every single post you make is frustrating to read imo. So every time it's there I'll try to counter it with some positivity or to expose the holes in the negative comment.
We all make negative comments from time to time that's healthy imo but most don't do it nearly all the time.
Nobody is stopping you do it but some give you a hard time because of it.

10.) 17 Nov 2023 19:21:53
My opinion on it for what it’s worth is RR was the worst manager at united in 10 years, he was aloof, up his own ……. Thought he knew everything, man management ZERO and what’s more I feel ETH got some of them traits too.

How he even got in the door to this day is a mystery

RR never said nothing that Jose had not already told the world years before, but many on here hounded him for boring football and not buying a house in Manchester!

Now we have worse football and ETH cycling round Manchester, Mount doing photoshoots everywhere, Antony well what does he do, Amrabat a poor man’s Fred Sancho situation as become just childish, most of this caused by ETH

But trying to make RR out as some sort of second coming is well wide of the mark.

11.) 17 Nov 2023 20:43:55
You fail to understand the difference between a manager or coach and a consultant trying to change structurally where we were.

In terms of other points. Why are we not allowed to think, or to question? Why are we being told to toe the line, only smile, nod your head, doff your cap, that’s what is required of you as fans. It’s about control, someone wants to control the site, rather than respect opinions or questions. It’s happened before, there is a trait there, obvious to see.

12.) 18 Nov 2023 06:35:48
Hugs available for $5. All proceeds to SJR takeover fund.

13.) 18 Nov 2023 09:56:36
I have zero issues with sjr taking some advice from the greatest manager in the game who knows united through and through.

14.) 18 Nov 2023 10:35:53

I agree with your original post.


SAF knew how to manage players but not how to run a football club. They are two completely different things.

When he left, behind the scenes the club was all over the place. That wasn't SAF fault, that was the club's fault.

RR is a top notch DOF. My feeling is that he was brought into manage the club as part of the original overhauling process, to fully access the football side of the club, prior to him moving into his consultantcy role to allow him to get a better understanding of the club, which made perfect sense.

Around the January transfer window the club didn't buy and players RR suggested. The players knew he wasnt going to be the manager at the end of the season and gave up. Prior to this UTD had the best run in the PL from when RR took over.

Shortly after the close of the January transfer window, RR starting to become more vocal about the club's predicament and subsequently the club were far from pleased with this and we're happy to jettison RR and continue with their policy of burying their heads in the ground.

Fast forward 18 months and the club has SJR purchasing a 25% stake in the club. Along with appointing a new CEO and a DOF/ Sporting Director the club might actually be taking a huge step in the right direction.

Now is the time to focus on the future and not the past. SAF is the past, Woodward and now Arnold are the past. It is dangerous to focus on the past unless it is for the benefit of learning from previous mistakes.

15.) 18 Nov 2023 15:34:04

What has rr achieved in the game. You think the clubs scouting system did not have gvardiol or the players he mentioned on our list.

Not sure if anyone knows this, we have one of the most expensive and largest scouting networks in football. How we go about recruitment and planning for things has been an issue.

Typical bs redman imo to bring up a moyes appointment as a concern for a man who has won everything in the game and took a club doing nothing and changed it to give us our best 30 years in our history. Its typical bs like everything else he posts to go hang onto one negative thing from a list of 100 positive things.

The page is just full non sense stuff atm. Its international break i guess. He will complain about not being able to having a view but he is what he is. He is damaged beyond repair and only looks for negatives.

Nothing will ever make him happy. Trust me on that.

16.) 18 Nov 2023 16:35:47
Gotta love a slow international break on here lol.

17.) 18 Nov 2023 16:50:23

Are you Ken’s second account? The personal comments are vey Ken when he wants to shut someone, namely me, up. So I am “Damaged beyond repair”, then “typical bs” about me twice in a post. Sounds very directly personal, just like Ken. Not sure that’s banter tbh. Both you and Ken turn up on the same posts, same opinion and aimed personal comments to shut someone up. If it walks like one, quacks like one, I think it is one, Ken2.

Rumours of me being damaged beyond repair are thankfully extremely premature. I have been very lucky, watching United from the sixties when players lived in ordinary areas, not multi millionaires in hidden away mansions, you would see them at local shops. From the stands, I saw fading greatness, relegation, brightness of The Doc, dullness of Sexton, Bojangles, then appreciated SAF after every one of those 25 years, without the title. I was there at the great moments, saw us win cups, leagues and European Cup live, saw us lose cup finals, got chased at away grounds. Plenty of happiness thanks, but also realism. SAF was a great motivator, great manager but not a great tactician. So why look for him to guide a restructure, especially after he left a mess. Do we structure based on what worked in the 80’s or 2023? 2023 and forward is what we need. Liverpool dealt with Shankly, we didn’t deal with Busby, letting him cast a shadow over new managers, now we are making the same mistake with SAF. Revere him but let’s not look to go backwards.

18.) 18 Nov 2023 18:09:13

RR is a respected DOF. By appointing him as an interim manager, it allowed him to further analsye the whole football side do the club, prior to his consultantcy role. It made perfect sense.

RR called the club out for not having players like Nkunku etc on their scouting reports. You must remember his open heart surgery speech etc, or did you ignore his press conferences during his tenure as he was open and honest.

Are you a Glazer in disguise?

19.) 18 Nov 2023 21:07:57

Waking up everyday being angry at the world must be a difficult thing, get over it go out smell the roses and have a glass of wine. Its not that bad out there.

You talking about yourself from the stands, hate to tell you this but many if us have been there. One of 78k people about 45 times a year. Makes you and me nothing special.

You live in the past and can’t get over it. I don’t know who ken is but spunds like a guy i can have a laugh with.

Grow up.

20.) 18 Nov 2023 21:12:41

How did you know. I am a plant by the glazers. All these years we have been duped and the mesiah rr was what we needed as he only he can see what commet. Hallelujah bring back ralfie, he shall guide us to the promise land.



31 Oct 2023 18:52:04
I have to go back to ETH comments about the players not being able to play like Ajax.

After being derided as I usually am by certain posters, on here, I want point out that this morning Manchesters main newspaper ran an opinion piece on this, using words like bizarre, baffling, defeatist and confusing to describe ETH comments. It is an issue.

I am not calling for him to be sacked, but we cannot walk blindly along pretending that everything he does is perfect. Why shouldn't we ask questions and talk about his decisions. I have talked about thought police on here before, and they just seem to change name.

Red Man

1.) 31 Oct 2023 19:17:39
I was worried the second I heard ETH saying he wanted to play 'the United way' in pre-season. Citing fast counter attacks and quick transitions as the United way.

If we wanted that then we should never have sacked Ole as that was all he played (counter attack)

The fact is we wanted the Eric Ten Haag way/ playing style as we wanted to step out of the past to a modern style and that's why we hired him.

He needs to stick to his values as other wise all we have is uncertainty and that's translating to our (lack of) playing style on the pitch.

His comments sound like he has no belief in his players and unfortunately that becomes a two way street very quickly.

2.) 31 Oct 2023 19:36:13
Read Martin Samuel in the Times.

3.) 31 Oct 2023 19:46:54
Don't think there are too many over the hill yet but there is lots of noise. And many slowly moving towards the top of the hill.
Frustration and disappointment is there for all fans. I don't think there is one fan who thinks he got much right at the weekend.
I've said below it's a time for clear cool heads not for panic. Eth needs to clear his head imo. Reevaluate a few things and pivot on a few things.
I'd have liked to hear him take more responsibility and accountability for last weekend in particular. We don't know if he has done that within the group, funnily, I suspect not but who knows.
He is bad in interviews. Too open too forthright and too easy to open up. He needs coaching on that badly imo.
Too many mitigating factors internally and externally to expect ant individual to perform at their best be that player, board or coaching staff.
Whatever he is trying to do with the players is simply not working right now. Collectively they all need to do better. Imo they would all do well to ignore all the questions you want answering, just put the shutters up, an us against the world mentality. 1 or 2 word answer to any media q's any fans Q's and work hard to give better answers on the pitch.
It's time to close ranks. Trust nobody but each other ignore everything else. Eth needs to show his leadership qualities and the players need to do likewise. This is not the mess of 1 man it's a collective mess and they will only sort it out Collectively. Ignore the noise ignore the Q's and do your talking on the pitch.

4.) 31 Oct 2023 19:49:53
RedMan you should know by now you’re not allowed to have an opinion on here unless it coincides with certain posters, then maybe just maybe they won’t try shoot you down with the usual long winded nonsense.

Only consolation you can take is in 6 months time they backtrack on everything they said then find another set of stats to back that up with, or mumble on about something else to attract to something else.

Last time I looked it’s called a banter site, but they like to also get personal if your view differs!

No prizes being offered for the names of the usual suspects!

5.) 31 Oct 2023 19:52:11
Red Man, its an opinion piece, which means its just some mad journalist rantings. Seriously do yourself a favour and stop reading crap like that, it'll only raise your blood pressure and for what?

On what basis has this journalist have any authority to critique a qualified, professional football manager? I'm not saying they don't have a right to an opinion, but on what basis or authority do they have for their voice to be put into print?

These things are purely written to illicit a response, to provoke, in this case with no actual journalism required, no investigation or research, not even canvassing of opinions. Just literally thought diarrhoea splurged out across the pages of a highly questionable media publication.

Seriously you have better things to do with your time.

6.) 31 Oct 2023 20:03:04
It was the MEN who ran a poll on sacking SAF so they have form here. I suspect his comments have been blown up somewhat, but it would be good to understand what he is trying to do, right now, I have no clue, other than long ball.

When SAF arrived, he sold Whiteside and McGrath which was a bit of a shock, but it sent a clear message. He also bought some real turkeys initially, and it easy to forget how bad we were in '89, the City 5-1 in particular was a shocker.

ETH is highly regarded by some big names, he needs to decide what he wants to do and then get on with it. The biggest worry is that our purchases have all been overpriced and most are yet to feel like great buys. Cas was awesome last year but has not been the same player this year. Antony, well we got mugged there. Martinez was awesome, my kind of player, just needs to rediscover his form, Varane is class but regularly injured. Mount was over priced and not sure where he fits in, and Hojlu d may or may not turnout to each good buy, but right now, he looks like a youngster with potential. Onana has been flaky but I think he will turn out fine.

Imagine if we had just bought Rice and Kane for about £230M. DDG for another year, no Mount or Hojlund. Wed be a far better team with 2 proven winners added to the squad. Instead we are mixing and matching, £70M on Hojlund is just baffling.

7.) 31 Oct 2023 20:15:51
I think there's an issue with ETH, in that he's from a largely rural, part of Holland. I remember reading something when he was appointed about how even people in Holland would mock him for his 'provincial' ways. English is not as widely spoken as it is in Amsterdam. I think he's struggling with expressing himself properly in a foreign language, and he lacks the sophistication to give 'politicians' answers. It can be refreshing, or it can get him into a hole.

8.) 31 Oct 2023 20:20:17
Seriously Shappy now journalist have mad ramblings, but you don’t, you never seize to amaze, of course he/ she have the right to print, that is their job!

How on earth do you know or even have the right to call it lazy journalism or no actual journalism

Even if you are remotely right which I doubt, they get paid for there ramblings, what do you get, how’s the time to say!

9.) 31 Oct 2023 20:21:08
Red Man

I've rarely seen better sense being dropped onto this site.

Ultimately, there are too many on here who simply thrash out statements with no explanations, and they generally lack the interest to back up their blurts.
These people then initiate debate with others, of whom some will also fail to expand upon their statements.
Thus, muddles are frequently seen because one or two, or three, or four, more, will not get the full gist of the initial point, nor those subsequent, and so things are taken out of context and some can get a little, let's say, irritated.

This kind of situation is exacerbated when we've all seen such garbage on the pitch and some can be rather reactionary and/ or unfair.

I understand that I could be accused of such, but there's a couple with pointed fingers in the replies who could do with finding the mirror.

10.) 01 Nov 2023 01:41:23

Hojlund looks a bloody good player to me, when we get the ball to him we look dangerous, he just should be as well as a top striker not the only bloody striker at the club. ETH has been killed by the wrong type of players being signed, money wasted on players who would fit nicely into a settled squad when we don’t have a settled squad to fit them in. Mount is a cherry on top of the cake type of signing but we got him and then couldn’t get a CB we needed and have no idea where to play him. The new owner situation is the only potential light in the tunnel at the moment.

11.) 01 Nov 2023 02:04:09
He can play that way, but he'll need 5 years and to change all of our players. Meanwhile, the fanbase will call for his head and want him sacked for the next shiny manager.

Consider for just one second, that Ralf Ragnik was right. We have a whole squad of players that cannot fit the style of play that the top teams play. Rashford and bruno, mcguire, wan Bissaka are all players that suit better a direct counter attacking style from a low block. But top teams dominate the ball and press high up the pitch and prod and poke and move and link and find opportunities to create and score good chances.

I think many fans would be happier seeing that change coming. I would. Certainly like to see rash and bruno dropped for lack of goals and assists. We tried playing them back into form. Now time to give kick up backside and substitute or drop. Bruno should be at 10 OR bench. Not right wing.

I just don't get the formation we are trying to play, but I bet it would work a lot better, and with onana. If we had our back 4 from last year playing every game and playing well. He wanted a new CB who could play, and we didn't get it. McGuire is not the answer, no matter how much English media try to ram it down our throats.

12.) 01 Nov 2023 05:19:07
He said it straight and what's hard to understand. You play a certain way with what is at your disposal atm considering injuries and who is available and we will see a gradual change with change of personnel.

So many teams go through this its a non event but people want to create a mole out of a mountain. Even pep has changed his approach through the years and even in their recruitment. Many good managers have failed in the pl for not being able to adapt and change.

If you are frustrated with him not throwing the players under the bus like a lot of you do, he is never going to that. He always talks about the collective win lose or draw.


When you question why the club did not sign Kane and rice. Maybe the club did not want to spend over 100 million on a 30/ 31 year old and 450k/ 500k in wages given our finances and maybe levy would not even sell to pl club, so many factors go into this stuff but we like to ignore it.

Did you consider maybe Rice was always wanting to go to Arsenal. Just maybe his camp told the club he wants to go there and a waste of time chasing a player who does not want to come.

I agree with you on Antony being a terrible buy and a donkey for what he did with Duku.

13.) 01 Nov 2023 06:49:17
Why didn’t we sign Kane or Rice?

It’s quite simple. They were not attainable for our club. So why are fans still banging on about it because it’s really not hard to understand.

Mount and Hojlund were attainable - and we overpaid massively especially for the latter (who I do rate for the record) .

We’re spending Waitrose money in the Asda supermarket. That is not the fault of the manager.

14.) 01 Nov 2023 06:55:19
Shappy is right regarding journalists I’ve always thought it, they are football fans like us and watch matches, various teams and games and like us all have an opinion, difference is they get a platform to spout their opinion and ram it down peoples throats to create the storm or circus! No homework or effort goes into it it’s literally their opinion! It’s nonsense!

15.) 01 Nov 2023 11:08:36
Chris I don't have a problem with them having an opinion. If fact I think it's important for people to have an opinion.

The problem I have with journalists is that their opinion gets an elevated position within society.

Something people often find hard to accept, especially if it goes against their view is that some opinions are more valid that others. By that I mean they carry more weight because of the expertise of the person with that opinion.

John down the pub who has worked in the post office all his life is entitled to his opinion about whether I should build an extension on my house or not. But Mike the estate agent or Dave the builder might have opinions that are more informed and therefore more valid.

Just because you write about football that doesn't mean you understand it better than anyone else who watches and engages with football as a fan.

The guy who has played professional football knows more, the guy who works in football analytics knows more, the guy whose a scout knows more, the guy who has coached and managed knows more. Obviously depending on the level they have done these things will dictate how much they know and how relevant it is to a particular situation.

Journalism does tend to draw in people who like to hear their own voice. Not every journalist is like that obviously. But I'd suggest that most who write opinion pieces do fall into that category.

Nothing wrong with that, but we have to remember that just because some guys opinion has been put into print that it doesn't make that point of view any more valid than John's down the pub.

It is dangerous to not critically evaluate everything you read and consider the source. What authority does the source have and do they have a bias or an agenda.

The most dangerous thing in the world is to blindly base your opinion on the opinions of others. Your opinions should be drawn from a combination of mostly facts and some trusted sources with authority on the matter. Otherwise you cannot be sure that you aren't being brainwashed.



30 Oct 2023 17:49:13
ETH said after the game "We will never play that football, Because those were different players. This is also not why I came here. We are playing different football than I showed at Ajax because I have to, because I can't play the same way. "

There are a number of points from this.
1) The players will hear that, he just told them they are never, note never, going to be as good as the Ajax players. That's those Ajax players who are now bottom of their league. That is the Moyes telling Vidic and Rio to watch films of Jagielka, in fact far worse.
2] It says he thinks he cannot implement his style, that's the style he was given the job on the basis of, the style he was brought in to implement.
3) What was he brought in to do? What did the United board set for him to do? Not replicate what made him successful at Ajax? Really.

Where does that leave us? Halfhearted approach, make do. The word never is absolutely damning, if he has told the players that before, it tells you why they down tooled, if he hadn't told them before, going out to the press to tell them was a worse idea.

Now, another question, ETH has been buying players on what basis? If it wasn't to model us like the team he was successful with, what was the basis of what he bought.

Utter shambles.

Red Man

1.) 30 Oct 2023 18:25:00
Yet he tried his best and managed to get the most expensive Ajax players, but was never his intention to play that way, why else would anyone buy them then!

Told you all along he is deluded….

Imagine how you feel in the dressing room to be told basically what I built at Ajax is too good for you to comprehend!

He is a past master at excuses always someone else’s fault, never ETH fault.

Zlaten was right Ronny was right Jesus Christ even Piers is right…. Once he leaves the dressing room stories will come out.

No wonder Cas as stopped trying too hard, forget all his medals ETH thinks Ajax is better.

2.) 30 Oct 2023 18:45:37
Told us all along? You’re a new poster ?

Unless, oh wait, here we go again.

3.) 30 Oct 2023 18:56:29
So many mountains being made from mole hills.

1. He never said the players aren't good enough to play that style, that is you reading what you want from it. He said they are different players. As in they have a different set of skills, not that they are more talented (although in some cases that will be true) .

2. No one from the club have ever said he was hired to implement Ajax's style of play. That has been insinuated by fans and pundits. All that quote says is that he understands the task at hand.

3. What was Sir Alex's style of play? Or did it change as he built and rebuilt the side. Did it adapt and change depending on the players he had available? He was brought in to replicate the success he had at Ajax, not necessarily to make a copy and paste team. To be completely honest if you watched the two sides he built at Ajax you'd see that each side was actually subtly different in style. So you can't even say EtH had one specific style at Ajax.

The reality is most clubs would struggle to implement what Ajax have as its as much a culture as a method for running a football club. They have a possession based style in the clubs DNA, its been there long before EtH and will remain for many years to come. The academy are brought up with that possession style as the cornerstone of how they play, along with positional rotations. Kids in the Ajax academy will play pretty much all outfield positions at some point during their development. As such the players coming through and available to the manager means a more distinct style is able to be implemented as long as it is possessional in nature.
That isn't the case at United and historically if we had any style attached to the club it is a transitional style. flying United wingers going from back to front at break neck speeds and scoring goals from lighting quick transitions. Certainly that is the style most closely associated with our successful periods at least.

What basis has he been using to buy players, probably the basis of them fitting how he wants this side to play. On building a team that makes the most of the players he has and adding to them to try and build a cohesive team that can compete for major honours.
he said earlier this season that he was hoping to build the best transitional side in the world. I'd imagine his signings are made with that in mind. Maybe something closer to Klopp's gagenpressing, although probably with more control of the ball. Transitional football doesn't have to mean sit deep and counter attack, just that you look to make the most of transitional moments. That can even be with controlled possession. Drawing a team out or manipulating them through controlled movement of the ball can open up opportunities to quickly transition from possession to attack. Being a transitional team is merely focusing on the change of phases within the game and using those moments between phases to take advantage of your opponent to create chances though quick thinking, movement and passing of the ball to set a player away before the opposition are set in their defensive shape.

That might explain why Rashford does minimal defensive work for the side. Maybe the manager want him to focus on being ready to attack and to work as that trigger player who is always ready to attack the opposition if there is an opportunity to transition. If that is the case it would also explain why the manager hasn't dropped Rashford, as simply he will be doing what the manager wants.

The hyperbole and overreaction is sadly typical of this fanbase.

4.) 30 Oct 2023 19:01:05
He can't ok movement the artle of Ajax because are Academy doeant produce players with the qualities Ajax academy does.

He doesn't ha w Marc Overmars building a team and thebqcademy in a style of play he is schooled in (he has a bloke he had a job with Everton and England academy, hotbeds of Michels and Cryuff disciples.

He has a squad of players without any of the skills he meeds.

He doesn't have EvdS as CEO also schooled in that system and sympathetic to what is required, he has Arnold who lwarnt how to run a football club from Woodward.

What we know is ETH can coach thw right players someone else asssembled for him into a very effective unit, so we didn't provide him with any of that and expected him to deliver it, perhapa he said he could, right now it's hard to argue that he can.

5.) 30 Oct 2023 19:19:19
It’s clear that Rashford is doing what he wants, it’s clear that ETH thinks we are progressing he said it enough times, it’s clear he thinks Antony is great, it’s clear he buying players he wants.

But was it also clear is the way he is trying to play is not suitable for the premier league, it’s also clear this is a coach who can’t demand respect he won nothing, oh sorry a tin pot league.

It’s also very very clear he is out of his league, virtually every football person who have much more experience then you is saying exactly the same.

Please don’t refer back to Klopp and Pep took time, even in there first years there was a style emerging….

6.) 30 Oct 2023 19:19:23
Red Man - I’ve seen the interview and on the surface it looks damming but I think it’s being lost in translation.

This is only my opinion but I think EtH is saying that he never intended to play that style of football at Utd.

He said in the summer he wanted Utd to become the best transitional team in the world. I think he wants to press high, suffocate the opposition, win the ball high and then break quickly.

I think Onana was brought in to allow the defence to push higher, helping the team press higher and be more compact and I think the idea was also to invite the opposition to press then play vertically into midfield and transition quickly rather than keep possession of the football for long periods.

The problem is I’m not sure he has the runners in midfield to sustain the press and we’ve certainly struggled to play the ball vertically through midfield from defensive areas.

From an attacking perspective Rashford and Bruno have been awful, often wasting good opportunities and I think Rashford’s pressing and work rate has been a disgrace.

I actually think the fringe players have done a better job when given the chance. It will be interesting tomorrow if the likes of Hannibal, Garnacho, Mount, Pellestri etc are given a chance and if they are I think you’ll see the team play with a lot more energy and purpose.

To be fair to EtH with the public fall outs with Ronaldo then Sancho it would take some nerve to drop both Rashford and Bruno (who he’s just made captain) and from a goal scoring and creative perspective were his two most productive players last season. I think they’ve both let him down badly so far this season, with Rashford’s body language being particularly concerning.

I think EtH is just praying that they both return to form and with Newcastle being a high profile game he might pick them both again on Wednesday night which I think would be a mistake .

Finally I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a transitional team. It doesn’t mean defending deep or being passive and surrendering possession and it can be an exciting, aggressive and proactive style of play.

Ironically I’m not fully convinced EtH has the players to successfully implement this style of play either. It takes team work, co-operation, organisation, intelligence, hard work, effort, commitment, hunger, intensity and desire to press aggressively from the front then transition quickly committing people forward in support of the ball, not exactly qualities synonymous with Man Utd in recent years.

7.) 30 Oct 2023 19:47:17

When Guardiola went to City did he say he could never implement his style?
When Klopp went to Liverpool did he say he could never implement his style?
When Arteta went to Arsenal, when DeZerbi went to Brighton? How about Howe at Newcastle, Aston Villa?

Excuses and yes he has effectively said the players are not good enough. And we wonder why they down tools.

This is a big club, ETH must get a grip and quickly.

8.) 30 Oct 2023 19:53:15
The players probably went to the board or murtok again and cried they had to run a bit.
Rangnick was told to ditch the style of play and focus on results. Ten Hag is probably being told the same thing.

9.) 30 Oct 2023 19:59:23
Shappy every fan base is the same once the team is on a downward trajectory

Please don’t try and make out were worse than anybody else

In fact I’d say we have been very patient over the years

Look at most foreign clubs they riot if things are going badly.

10.) 30 Oct 2023 20:14:51
That's the point DLIB. The players you mention are at his disposal and will give him a lot more of what he is looking for than the current muppets.

The question is why he doesn't pick them? Why does he persist with players who keep letting him down?

11.) 30 Oct 2023 20:26:36
Red Man, you are again reading one thing and taking entirely what you want from it.

Show me the quote from EtH where he said he wanted to implement Ajax's style at United.

Or show me a quote from a senior person at the club involved in EtH's hiring who said they wanted United to play the Ajax way.

You can't as no one has ever said that. It's all in your head, things you imagined and think must have happened.

Look at the actual quote:

"We will never play that football, Because those were different players. " He is simply saying you can't compare apples and oranges. Ajax play a style that suits the players they have, and that style doesn't suit the players at United. That's all he's saying. To play that style would require different players.

"This is also not why I came here. " Right here he clearly states that playing the Ajax way was never his intention. There is absolutely no evidence to the contrary so we will just have to take his word on that.

"We are playing different football than I showed at Ajax because I have to, because I can't play the same way. " Here he is just reinforcing that the clubs are different and the players are different so you have to play a different way.

He isn't saying he can't play the way he wants, just that he can't implement playing the Ajax way with these players.

He has clearly stated he wants us to become the best transitional side in the world. Managers styles change, or they become outdated. Man City do not play the same way as Pep's Barcelona or Pep's Bayern side. So why demand that EtH must get is United side to play the same way as his Ajax side?

If you really want to split hair which of EtH's Ajax sides do you want him to recreate at United as the two teams are fairly different from each other.

12.) 30 Oct 2023 20:55:53
Shappy, as you well know I am not 'typical of our fanbase', yet even I am baffled as to what ETH is trying to a achieve. Moston the buys have been poor or short term, and they have all been overpriced.

I see no style, no clarity, no ethos, frankly no idea. I've posted elsewhere so am not going to repeat myself, but right now I am at a loss to understand what the Manager is trying to achieve.

13.) 30 Oct 2023 20:56:35
Shamrock, you're name is half right, you are a sham. As you didn't have an account when we hired EtH and you didn't have an account until a few weeks ago then you absolutely haven't told us all along.

You've literally turned up a couple of weeks ago spouting the usual rubbish whenever we are playing badly.

You are not a clairvoyant, and you have no proof that you even had a thought about EtH before a couple of weeks ago.

All this bravado and "I told you so" and patting yourself on the back for a job well done is just a sad attempt to prop up your flailing ego.

You'll disappear in a few weeks if the manager turns it around only to pop back up next time United struggle in the hope that another manager gets fired and you can say how very clever you were all along as you knew this would happen. Bravo, very clever of you, I'm sure it must fill your life with meaning. Of course you can't prove any of it, and to be frank no one on here or anywhere else will care whether you currently predicted the failure of another football manager or not.

Now run along home back under the bridge before your mummy grounds you for being out late again.

14.) 30 Oct 2023 21:25:46
C'mon, Red Man. He's clearly saying our players can't play that way, not that they're not as good as the Ajax players. That's your interpretation.

He's not saying anything we haven't all said on here at some point - that our players are a hotchpotch of different styles, learned under different managers.

15.) 30 Oct 2023 21:32:39

We hired ETH based on what then? He got the job based on what he set up at Ajax, his style, the Ajax style.

Is this motivational and well timed right now at a time when players are not looking interested?
He needs to lead, think about his messaging, not look like he is floundering.

16.) 30 Oct 2023 22:34:56
We’re now hearing that the dressing room is concerned about Ten Haag’s training methods. This group of players need to take a hard look at themselves. They are clearly shifting the blame away from their own inadequacies to the coach. Pathetic in the extreme. They think that because they are at United they have arrived. A clear out is needed over the next three windows and quality players who would run through brick walls for United brought in.

17.) 31 Oct 2023 01:05:39
I've got to get me a pair of these rose tinted glasses!

18.) 31 Oct 2023 06:31:29

You are twisting things just to suit your argument. What he said is spot on given the players at his disposal. Just conjecture from my side and guessing. Maybe there was a great plan on shipping Maguire/ MC/ DVB and even Martial and get a couple of CM, a right footed cb in for Varrane, who is often injured and play higher up the pitch with Onana.

All those great plans have not materialized. You say you are not advocating for ETH out but everything you post is about how he gets a multitude of things wrong over and over. sour grapes and questions about who we have bought, who gets picked and pretty much everything. Win lose or draw you always find what's wrong.

For the rest of people who want to week in week take a dump on ETH

So we play with what we have and he is being pragmatic. I am glad he has enough belief and character to stick to his guns and say it as is. He is finished as a united manager if he starts playing people or picking teams based on fans/ failed pundits, who are all suddenly football manager and think they know better. Get a grip and move on.

We lost a game to a team that made Real Madrid look like a third division team less than 6 months ago and this job is a long road to a fix. It starts with some form of stability and getting rid of the toxic environment the fans and media creates around this club. If you can't take the bumps that's on you. I was as upset as any Sunday night but my god some of the stuff being posted here is just drivel.

I respect peoples views and discontent but some of this stuff is pure nonsense and like playing a song over and over.

Liverpool bought 4 mids and people here think the eth is sh. t because we bought mount that should have fixed everything. get Real

BTW prepare yourself for more disappointments if you think we are going to go and buy a bunch of new shiny toys in Jan window. The best we can hope for is left footed CB depending on where Shaw and Martinez are in their recovery. I suspect no incoming personally unless we sell someone.

Finally I am 100% with him when he said we are on the up. we will get a lot better as the season goes on and we get players back.

19.) 31 Oct 2023 18:26:06
This morning, Manchesters main newspaper ran an opinion piece on this, using words like bizarre, baffling defeatist and confusing to describe ETH comments.

Are they “twisting” things?

20.) 31 Oct 2023 18:44:03
Nope, your answer is the 8th word in you post. It is merely their OPINION not fact. Merely their interpretation.

21.) 31 Oct 2023 19:32:33

You said I was, quote, “reading one thing and taking entirely what you want from it”, Ahmad said I was “twisting” things

It’s not just me “twisting” things.



29 Oct 2023 21:31:29
I was not impressed one bit. Maybe I expected a bit of a Dutch tactical genius, maybe I expected a superb motivator, what I didn't expect was what we have seen. I didn't expect buying players who the manager was chummy with previously, I did not expect the club to be pushed down a road to buy a winger for £85m, who can't control himself, whose only attribute is curling a ball into the far corner, except he doesn't. That is a mentality that should not be at the club. I didn't expect the captaincy to be with someone who can't lead us. I didn't expect to see what can only be described as blatant favouritism with certain players given more time than others, no matter how they play. I didn't expect to see tactical naivety. What saw today reached unacceptable. What I saw was not a team, I saw a bunch of individuals, headless. Reliant on a defender in Evans who wasn't good enough years ago. I see players who are not coordinated. It just is not good enough.

Take a step back and look at today, we were reduced to playing the Ole tactics, sit back, play on the break. Then there was a change, a tactical substitution at half time that made no sense at all. All through this Bruno and Rashford stayed on the pitch. Bruno, who frankly is an embarrassment of a United Captain, far too emotional. Rashford, who doesn't appear interested. The manager started Mejbri, weeks ago, who was a ball of energy, then drops him. Allows Rashford to meander around the pitch.
The manager buys Mount, gives him the No7, yet would rather play Bruno.

The managers ingame management has been poor. Substitutions not making any difference to games.

This is not a call to sack ETH, but for me today has to be a very very strong shot across the bow. What we are seeing is totally unacceptable, totally the antitheses of what the club stands for. The manager needs to stop this utter nonsense with Rashford and Bruno, enough, he needs to be held to account now, for buying Antony, for buying Mount, for substituting Hojland leaving the utterly useless Rashford, who doesn't look like he cares, on the pitch.

For me the DoF should be reading the riot act to the manager. We sit there saying oh we will give him years, no he needs a very blunt wake up call right now. He needs to understand this isn't acceptable. It's no good saying SAF was given years, there was a watershed, to be honest ETH has reached it. The DOF, should now say enough, we must see a change now, or maybe ETH is not the man.

Red Man

1.) 29 Oct 2023 22:47:01
Wont happen, there’s no accountability at the club, from the owners to Arnold to murtough to eth to the players. They all just do what they want and are left to their own devices. As long as the money comes in the owners don’t care.

2.) 30 Oct 2023 04:55:56
Oh how quick we were to slate Ole for his tactics. Maybe, just maybe the apple is so rotten to the core it does not matter who we get in?

Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Ole and now Ten Hag. All potentially good managers who, given a structure could perform reasonably, have failed drastically. It’s only a matter of time before ETH is gone, not if. The LEECHES will be panicking about their retirement nest egg losing money by the millions as we slip down the table and will see him gone by Xmas.

I’m not calling for his head, yet, but something has to radically change or I will be! Regardless of the poor excuse we as fans keep coming up with (unsettled 11, injuries, club sale, distractions etc) we are not performing one iota. There are a lot of internationals at the club and regardless of who is on the pitch they should be playing the ETH way. Mind you, if someone could tell me what that is I would be grateful.

What I am seeing is blind faith being put into totally disinterested and woeful players by a manager who is quite frankly so far out of his depth it’s scary.

Perhaps this is just the level the club is now at. Bang average players with a seemingly bang average manager, bang average structure being led by bang average senior management.

It’s hard to watch. Hell I was not even at this level of hurt with LVG and Ole!

3.) 30 Oct 2023 06:16:35
Terrible game the second half. considering we had Mount, Bruno, Ericson and mctomley on the pitch I can't recall us putting 3 progressive passes together.

They took the ball off of us so easily and then just passed it around with hardly any pressure on them.

I think Bruno's form is rotten atm and he needs a couple of games just to sit and not sure what it is and he got worse as the game went on. He definitely does not do well in games against better sides to who press and don't give him space and time.

There is zero service from midfield to the front and everything is coming from the CB's or fullbacks.

4.) 30 Oct 2023 07:00:41
'First half, we played very well. The game plan went on how we wanted. We defended very good. They almost didn't create - one big save from Andre in that start. ”

This absolute nonsense from ETH, delusional, then ignores his substitution and tactical change at half time. This has made me start to openly doubt he is the right man.

Things have to change, if ETH can’t see this is nowhere near acceptable, he will not survive.

I remember 1989 and a 5-1 drubbing by City, it was the watershed moment for SAF, it had to improve and did. ETH must take note.

5.) 30 Oct 2023 07:11:55
A good post. Some big if s here but if SJR comes in and takes over the football side with his own people in place then just as any compnay getting a new owner where the business is failign you take a good hard look at the management structure.

if it all happened tomorrow and ETH was sat in front of SJR on Wednesday morning then he could expect to be told in no uncertain terms whatever your vision is its not working -we will give you the tools to fix it but if you don't very quickly you re gone.

6.) 30 Oct 2023 08:52:37
I guess there's a few angles to look at this from.
For months everyone has been saying that nothing will change until the powers above the manager changes. We know the Glaziers will still be around, but if the 25% football operations side around ten Hag can be considered enough change, then he needs that chance to work in a stable environment.

The other angle is that the new people coming in make a change, as they often do in this scenario, and then you need to look at who's available. The thought of Graham Potter at the helm makes me shiver.

We need this new sporting team in asap to get cracking and see what, if anything, changes. It's looking like there'll be a lot of upheaval at the club this season in terms of staff and players as it is, I think Erik deserves the full season to see how it all pans out, plus no-one's going to be available mid-season to replace him unless we're happy to get a former legend in again, because that went well. What's Clayton Blackmore up to these days?

7.) 30 Oct 2023 18:51:07
Potter is a very good manager but would need a settled club to work with. Exactly the same as ETH, so we might as well stick, see if the club can settle and back him.



25 Oct 2023 18:30:44
Tactics. We let the back line pass around, give it wide players, who rather than risk taking players on, on the outside, pass it back inside. Back to CB's who look up and see static players, in front of them, so pass it wide, get it back, repeat.
Wingers are not wingers, they are inverted wide midfield players, left footed on right, right footed on left. Shock horror, opposition know these players will not go past them on the outside, helps to know what they are going to do. So wide players get blocked, pass it back inside, run away, don't give it me back because noone wants to lose the ball. We have two of them, Rashford and Antony. Rashford runs inside and at people, right at people, decision making involves how can I shoot. Antony, comes inside and tries to curl the ball into the far corner, very few on target.

This is a deliberate tactic. Months ago I asked for crossing stats, we were near the bottom. We, at what is clearly the manager's instruction, are not crossing, likely so not to lose the ball. Last night I said I felt sorry for Hojland, we all should, no service, no crossing. I watch other teams create opportunity to cross, run off the ball, get wide, then try to win it back. We don't.

Next thing, I observed last night, in my opinion the players have been given the structure to play in, told where to stand, but not to be caught out of position. Rigid approach, no runs off the ball, no width, no crossing. I think the players looked bored and frustrated. It looks like the reported favouritism is there, Rashford and Bruno play regardless. Mejbri and Garnacho don't get a start regardless, Mount left on the bench despite how poor Bruno plays, as is Eriksen. That's how to demotivate players and they look demotivated. We lack goals, why, because we have one forward who is young, it's not a shock because it was flagged preseason, we don't cross, we don't run to create space, then we struggle to score. Maybe it's forming a structure for future, but it looks like the players are not on board.

Red Man

1.) 25 Oct 2023 19:55:27
Man Utd have played 9 premier league games this season, we have Hojlund, Martial, Rashford, Bruno, Antony and Garnacho as our main attacking players that are given regular minutes. You can probably add Mount to that list. They have collectively scored 3 goals between them in 9 games, Bruno with 2 and Rashford 1! Just let that sink in!

The service to Hojlund is non existent, wingers cutting inside and shooting. What was the point in signing a proper No9, a penalty box CF to starve them of service?

2.) 25 Oct 2023 21:13:01
It’s shocking really. Frustrating too.
Mustn’t be critical though because Ahmad will only see negativity above constructive criticism. ?.

3.) 26 Oct 2023 03:14:07
I am not advocating Wout in any way, far from it but he suffered a lot of criticism for not achieving much with a similar level of service. I called it after 5 games last year and copped grief for it. Antony is a flog. Bang average with only one foot. He cannot/ will not cross and is a one trick pony. Very poor signing. Amongst our worst ever. Dalot attempted more dribbles and crosses than Antony in just a couple of games.

We are trying to walk the ball into the area more often than not and just losing the ball. Why not cross the bloody thing and if we lose the ball then it’s no worse than losing it trying to walk it into the net and we may well play to Hoijland strengths. Imagine that!

We are very very poor. Banging on about performance over results is moot. We are not performing.

We are fast dropping, if not already there, into a team that cannot attract the better players.

Am I pessimistic, hell yeah! I am trying hard to stay positive but it’s just awful to watch.

Even the pundits are saying we cannot be that bad during the games.

4.) 26 Oct 2023 06:27:22
I don’t think that is our intention to play that way, Copenhagen set up to be compact and because we moved it across the back far too slow any passing opportunities forward we’re gone! Martinez is a big miss because he could pass it forward and break a line and get it into our dangerous players! I’m frustrated with our performance but realistic to know we’re low on confidence, certain players in particular, missing a handful of important players to us and how we want to play, just important to pick up wins during these times and luckily we have in last few weeks!

5.) 26 Oct 2023 11:58:45

I think it is our intention to play that way. Steady build up

Why don’t we cross?
Why does Bruno and Rashford play regardless?
Why is the manager not coaching them to move it quicker?
Why play inverted wide players?
Why continue to try same things even when it is not working?
It was said ETH realised when he arrived he couldn’t play the style he wanted, so played counter, yet here we are 500m spent and his main summer purchase Mount is on the bench and we can’t get the ball forward. We still don’t look any different. Why is that?
Why are the players looking disinterested?

Genuinely would like to know.

6.) 26 Oct 2023 13:54:04
Send them a letter redman. No point asking here nobody has the answers. You can ask daily but your asking the wrong crowd. Same old thing every day. Favourites and crosses we know you have your thoughts on it you ask the same questions every day. You won't get answers here to your assumptions and questions so no need to go on about it daily unless of course it makes you feel better getting it off your chest.

7.) 27 Oct 2023 06:56:27

When you don’t have an answer.

Back to telling someone, don’t post and shut up, when you don't agree or can’t deny something.




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22 Nov 2023 09:56:03

I can bet he doesn’t but if leeches want him to stay and Rat wants him to leave, who wins? Leeches still have control and there may be a few situations like that.

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22 Nov 2023 06:24:02

Hence the points I made regularly about the Glazers still having control, for me to be then hounded by the usual suspects for saying it. I suspect that Rat may want changes but the Glazers have diffferent objectives, like with Martial, they may want their favourites, particularly those who looked after them to stay in place. A 100% buyout was what we needed. We shall see what the leeches allow.

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21 Nov 2023 13:07:25

His title is technical director, on what basis was he given that role. Technical and Fletcher don’t seem to match to me.

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17 Nov 2023 07:01:58
Agree Shappy

That and Paul Mitchell will be an improvement.

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15 Oct 2023 09:56:37
The club will be a toxic mess. Most fans Caolan, want the club sold fully. I expect plenty of self serving announcements from Ratcliffe on how he will rescue the club. Like how he will have control over the sporting side. If his proposal goes through just expect to see more and growing protests in a very divided club. The same amateurs and the same leeches will remain. Would I take relegation to get rid of these leeches, yes I would.

If this is confirmed, it is a dark day for the club.

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Duller, perhaps, characters are less colourful and many things have changed. Players are fitter, stronger healthier but more brittle. Physical changes mean they run more and in effect make the pitch smaller. Tactically more aware and fouling has become snide at times. I miss the full blooded challenge that actually wins the ball, not the kicking we used to get years ago. VAR is a joke, seemingly aimed to find reasons to disallow the aim of the game, score goal. 5 mins before you can celebrate a goal. Ridiculous.

The main change seems to be the don’t lose being first aim mentality, then ensure a win, then entertain in that order. Ole Gunner Southgate is an example. Football in the past was played to win, the change in mentality to being afraid of what would happen when losing, added to by expectations of everything wanted to happen immediately and the woke drivel invading sport, has made a difference.

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18 Nov 2023 16:50:23

Are you Ken’s second account? The personal comments are vey Ken when he wants to shut someone, namely me, up. So I am “Damaged beyond repair”, then “typical bs” about me twice in a post. Sounds very directly personal, just like Ken. Not sure that’s banter tbh. Both you and Ken turn up on the same posts, same opinion and aimed personal comments to shut someone up. If it walks like one, quacks like one, I think it is one, Ken2.

Rumours of me being damaged beyond repair are thankfully extremely premature. I have been very lucky, watching United from the sixties when players lived in ordinary areas, not multi millionaires in hidden away mansions, you would see them at local shops. From the stands, I saw fading greatness, relegation, brightness of The Doc, dullness of Sexton, Bojangles, then appreciated SAF after every one of those 25 years, without the title. I was there at the great moments, saw us win cups, leagues and European Cup live, saw us lose cup finals, got chased at away grounds. Plenty of happiness thanks, but also realism. SAF was a great motivator, great manager but not a great tactician. So why look for him to guide a restructure, especially after he left a mess. Do we structure based on what worked in the 80’s or 2023? 2023 and forward is what we need. Liverpool dealt with Shankly, we didn’t deal with Busby, letting him cast a shadow over new managers, now we are making the same mistake with SAF. Revere him but let’s not look to go backwards.

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17 Nov 2023 20:49:41

I have said the leveraged buyout was a disgrace from the start, but I understood it. We were never going to remain successful, the players bought, Ronaldo, Rooney, the CO92 were all in place when they arrived and were not replaced. Those who were happy with what went on the pitch were happy, sorry but those like me who understood what the owners were doing were not because we saw the bigger picture.

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You fail to understand the difference between a manager or coach and a consultant trying to change structurally where we were.

In terms of other points. Why are we not allowed to think, or to question? Why are we being told to toe the line, only smile, nod your head, doff your cap, that’s what is required of you as fans. It’s about control, someone wants to control the site, rather than respect opinions or questions. It’s happened before, there is a trait there, obvious to see.

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17 Nov 2023 17:16:27

Damn right. The leveraged buyout was a disgrace although perfectly legal. Some of us could see that from the outset. Helps if you are financially minded.

Oakbark, how many times have I said about what might have been done with £1.2Bn or the dividends the leeches have taken. They appointed Woodward but the direction set looked to be a financial one with football second.

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