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24 May 2021 20:56:34
I have no idea to the veracity of this, but following Tielemans sole lap of honour, looking upset, there are apparently rumours about him joining us. Just passing on what I read.
1.) 24 May 2021 22:59:22
Tielemans…yes please 🙏.
2.) 25 May 2021 00:17:34
I'll believe it when I see photos of him holding up the shirt.
3.) 25 May 2021 03:37:29
I guess Levy is dealing Leicester transfers indirectly. Lolsss. You ask for their players, and they will demand a kidney in return from Manchester United. For ither teams, they are mostly reasonable.
4.) 25 May 2021 12:16:49
I really like Tielemans and think he is a terrific player.
Although I'm not sure where he fits into our side without us signing a true holding midfielder.
He's not too dissimilar to Pogba and Donny in that he can be a creative deeper midfielder who can break forward, but to do so you need that solid defensive midfielder who can protect the back four.
As we have seen McFred are capable when paired together, but individually they aren't up to mustard to do the job by themselves. To be fair both are reactive box to box type players whose natural instinct is to step up and engage to try and win the ball. That's fine as long as you have someone behind you to mop up if you don't win the ball.
What we need is a more savvy defensive midfielder who'll only try and win the ball when they have an excellent chance to do so, but knows how to slow down and jockey players into poorer positions and give the rest of their teammates time to recover their defensive positions.
So I'm not sure a player like Tielemans, as good as he is, solves our midfield imbalance.
Which with our track record of signings probably makes him a shoe in🤣🤦♂️🤷🏻♂️.
5.) 25 May 2021 12:45:59
Isn't he about to sign a contract making him Leicester's highest player. No harm during contract negotiations to remind his club he could go elsewhere.
6.) 25 May 2021 13:23:10
Tielemans can play deeper and offers more in a deeper role than fred.
7.) 30 May 2021 01:08:55
A Ronnie pick 5 or so years ago 😉.
03 Jan 2021 10:51:49
Hi Ed002
Appreciate your advice. Below you mentioned we agreed to complete the transfer of Amad Traore by December 31 to allow him to move in January subject to a Work Permit. Ole says he is looking forward to his arrival, yet there are stories in the press that Atalanta want to keep him, even want to just loan him to us for the rest of the season. Is this just noise or is there a change of position?
{Ed002's Note - I suspect there is a misunderstanding. Atalanta don't want to loan the player to MU they want to take him back on loan.}
1.) 03 Jan 2021 11:23:46
Thanks Ed002
I would have thought going to all the trouble we have with the work permit/ passport that United would not want to do that.
2.) 03 Jan 2021 12:16:17
Red Man, not sure where you heard about a loan move to us. The deal was all agreed some time ago with only the paperwork left to be dealt with. He's our player now by the look of things but Atlanta want him to stay longer and want him loaned back for the rest of the season.
I am sure he is heading straight into the U23's to assess him further and get him used to the physicality of our league. Probably a loan move to a premier league side down the line for him and Pellistri would suit them both and help them progress their careers.
3.) 03 Jan 2021 13:05:31
Hi Letsplay
The BBC gossip page indicated that Atalanta are keen on loaning Diallo to Manchester United for the rest of the season, it looks like a typo. There have been other reports saying Atalanta wanted to keep him, but as Ed said they want to loan him from us.
Looks like the sale is going through. Personally I think he should come to us and acclimatise, start to work with better players, be ready for next season or if he makes an impact even appearances this season.
4.) 03 Jan 2021 13:27:55
Hi Red Man,
Probably the media outlets doing their typical mixed reports to keep things interesting especially when it is United news.
It is too early yet and we can all assume what's best for him but it's up to the coaching staff and Ole to find the best route for the player. Hopefully Diallo fulfills his potential at United as he does look a very exciting prospect.
5.) 03 Jan 2021 13:40:03
Red man I think it was an error as gasperini had said that Atalanta hoped to loan him back to the end of the season.
6.) 03 Jan 2021 13:45:51
Red Man. I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that our U23 side are ‘better players’ than Atlanta’s first team, no?
7.) 03 Jan 2021 14:07:25
Did redman suggest that? I don't think he did.
8.) 03 Jan 2021 15:09:46
I don't quite understand why Atalanta wants him on a loan, he barely played there. Ed, do you know something?
{Ed002's Note - They don't want their squad weakened and his replacement is not available before the summer.}
9.) 03 Jan 2021 17:07:06
The reports are now saying United want him this month and don’t want to loan him back.
10.) 04 Jan 2021 00:57:51
Surprised Atlanta want him on loan. Is there a reason why they’ve hardly played him? Is it because the transfer was agreed and they didn’t want to risk the deal? Or simply that he’s not at the level?
Also, why is the WP taking so long to complete. should this not have been done earlier so he could arrive at OT on the 1st? Are you only allowed to apply for WPs in a transfer window? I always get the impression we fall asleep in between transfer windows.
{Ed002's Note - I have explained all of this - try searching.}
15 Dec 2020 06:30:05
Reports this morning that Henderson is not happy and was left vexed by Solskjaer breaking promises to start him in certain home games. Add this to how DvB has been treated and a pattern emerges.
1.) 15 Dec 2020 10:08:17
No sh1t that Sherlock isn't surprised to read this.
2.) 15 Dec 2020 11:05:12
I think Ole now only really trusts a few players, and as such they are undroppable. DDG, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, Fred, Bruno and Rashford are all nailed on to start if fit.
All managers have their favourites, maybe this is part of the reason someone new coming in with fresh eyes might be a good idea.
3.) 15 Dec 2020 11:36:33
The problem is DDG has made and continues to make mistakes. Henderson deserves a run in the team.
I'd imagine a few players will be thinking about what they have to do to get game time, when players keep DDG make mistakes and are continually picked. His mistakes have been be going on for awhile now. It's partly done to the coaching staff getting him to play out with his feet. It is still clear to see that he isn't comfortable doing that.
The zonal marking for set pieces is atrocious. Maguire makes basic mistakes.
I'd like tk see Bailly and Tuanzebe in defence. Then play higher up pitch and dip the two holding midfielders.
4.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:07
Some of Ole's decisions this season have been questionable.
No matter how many mistakes Maguire and Lindelof make, Tuanzebe is still not getting enough games to cement his place.
He even bigged up Mengi saying he is similar to De Ligt as he can get into our side at a young age. But again, he is not getting chances.
VDB has to play over McT and Pogba. Reasons are obvious.
Ole also stressed on having 5 subs in EPL, yet he used only 1 sub against City in the derby.
5.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:33
i can understand Henderson's frustration especially as for this back 4 / 5 he is a better fit given how much more vocal and brave he is.
We are gettignto a point where we have more quality options in the squad than we did over the last 5 years. it is easier to manage good players not playing when there is trust in the manager and the team is doing well. Ole needs to up his management game.
6.) 15 Dec 2020 12:07:49
Agree with TRD that Ole is making some questionable decisions on a regular basis.
Henderson coming back to us in a pre Euros year didn't make any sense to me unless he was given assurances around game time which clearly are promises not being kept. Not as though De Gea is producing the world class quality we know he has on any level of consistency. I admire Henderson for coming back and having the confidence to stake his claim for the No.1 spot - but it is being ignored.
Henderson MUST start in all cup games for me regardless whether that's against Tinpot FC or Milan in the Europa League Final.
Van de Beek is a very strange one too. Clearly the lad has bags of talent and we look more of a threat going forward when he plays. How he is not making appearances at least in front of Pogba is a mystery.
Ole's reliance on Fred and McTominay for me says more about his not trusting his defence hence more creative players like VDB are not getting as much of a look-in.
Even then though if we can play Mata at RW on occasion surely VDB can fill that berth too.
We have a mix of defence and attack minded midfielders now but other than Fernandes there is nobody who stands out as a must pick.
We are 3 players short for me, 4 if you include Henderson playing more than De Gea.
The Maguire-Lindelof partnership simply let's too many goals in. A new CB has to be our main priority as strengthening the back will allow us more creative players in midfield. There is no rule that says we can only have Bruno as the creative influence!
Ideally we would swap out Pogba for a completely different player in Saul but one who could offer so much more balance to the team overall. Giving a better platform for both defence and attack.
And finally as much as we harp on about our lack of a RW it is a 25 goal a season centre forward we are crying out to replace the woefully inconsistent Martial with. Appreciate Greenwood will fulfil that role in time but we need our new No.9 now.
We do have some good players at the club and in what is a very open year league wise it would not take too much to get this team into a title challenging position. Ole has to be much braver than he is to do that. Any big name can be sacrificed if they are not performing whether its De Gea, Maguire, Fernandes etc. Ole lacks the balls to do that though I fear.
7.) 15 Dec 2020 13:53:27
On the plus side I'm glad we have players who aren't happy to be out of the side. I would have to question a players mentality and ambition if they are happy to be on our bench and not in the team.
Shows we have a few more players with the right attitude now. While Romero might be a great keeper, does he have the right mentality to be a keeper at a club that should be aiming to win the top honours? He's spent 5 years on the bench and been happy to pick up a cheque and not play during his peak years. Only kicking up recently when the club refuse to sell him after bumping him down to third choice.
While DDG has still made a few mistakes this season, he has on the whole improved on his form from last season. Is that due to Henderson breathing down his neck?
We need competition for places all over the pitch, players on the bench in every position who is arguably good enough to start. They shouldn't be happy to be on the bench, they will need to accept it and work on their game to improve themselves and push for a starting spot.
How much of our decline on the pitch can be put down to a lack of competition for places?
8.) 15 Dec 2020 16:06:11
Very unlike Shappy to kick a player when he 8s down. Romero now. Did he contact you that he is happy like that or do you want a player coming out in the press and creating a storm?
9.) 15 Dec 2020 17:43:33
Mad Hatter. Premier league footballer having to use his feet! Imagine that? The fact that de gea cannot play football, doesn't command his area and doesn't marshall his defense means to me that he isn't a very good goal keeper.
Reaction saves are not enough at the top level. It looks like you are saving your team points whereas a more rounded keeper wouldn't need to make the save in the first place because they would have prevented the danger before it got to that.
10.) 15 Dec 2020 19:00:59
MancMan,
It was never an issue for DDG until OGS took over. The zonal marking for set pieces doesn't help either.
Every player has strengths and weaknesses. When OGS took over DDG was world class. Not he looks bang average. The whole tactical set up isn't working. Players are actually regressing.
11.) 15 Dec 2020 19:34:53
Hatter, I disagree DDG started declining under Jose. The issue I think with DDG is that over the past 8 years there hasn't been another keeper who came close to DDG's shot-stopping ability. He was just hands down the best. However, those world class saves (often a 2 or 3 per game) masked the other weaker areas of his game.
At no point in his career has he commanded his area well, he doesn't communicate much with his defenders, his coming out for crosses has always been poor (a bit of a flapper), while his distribution has never been more than average.
The difference now is that his reactions have started to slow slightly, as such he makes less world class saves and the other weaker areas of his game are becoming more apparent.
We have seen this before, look at Iker Casillias, considered a world class keeper until his form went off a cliff in his early 30's. Almost entirely down to his reactions slowing and a big dip in his shot stopping ability.
12.) 15 Dec 2020 20:39:29
I've posted before I know him and his the family and in regards to henderson the above is rubbish .
13.) 15 Dec 2020 20:42:35
Shappy,
I know DDG isn't the keeper he is once was. Romero should have been given a chance last season to be the clubs number 1.
The main issue is that OGS continues to pick under achieving players. My main concern is that I can ee players like Henderson and VDB leaving before Jones and Rojo do.
I'm fed up of how poor Maguire is.
14.) 15 Dec 2020 21:08:31
He didn't reclined with Zose. With Zose at 17-18 he had of his most successful years with us conceding 17 goals less than we should consede as per expected goals against. Then he went with his national team for the tournament, made mistakes and his confidence was low. Then it was Zoses third season syndrome and we had a toxic atmosphere and we conceded goals with all ways, none was marking decent and the fact that he conceded a lot of goals don't help the confidence. Then Ole asked him to play the ball from the back and things got worst.
15.) 16 Dec 2020 00:29:43
every body else herrera but ole. he thinks fred and mctom are going to take us to the promised land.
16.) 16 Dec 2020 04:33:33
DDG has improved this year due to Henderson. Ddg is still an excellent keeper. Henderson is the future. Sure Henderson will get game time and he needs to keep showing the mentality to play at a big club. He will be alright, don't worry about that.
17.) 16 Dec 2020 12:14:26
Shan, have a look who Romero's agent is, if he wasn't happy his agent would have got him a move.
18.) 16 Dec 2020 14:21:28
Like pogbas agent did? Romero is unhappy moves were blocked this summer. He was treated poorly.
He will move asap but buying clubs need to match our valuation and his massive money. Not many clubs that are interested in him can afford him. That's the situation.
Henderson will be our no 1 soon enough imo. Ddg is still a very good keeper. He is on the best contract of any keeper anywhere in the world. Ole convinced him to stay he has the man he wants. Henderson can wait or force a move its up top him. Henderson imo will be a top keeper but he has achieved very little to date i'm his career. I've not heard him moaning and if he is unhappy he is right to keep it in house and take it up with ole privately.
He seems a veey level headed but ambitious lad he has the world at his feet. United are his club but he may well have to move to play under s different manager. I hope not.
03 Sep 2020 21:19:17
I read a rumour that United are not going to be held to ransom over Sancho, they will wait a year. The worrying part of the rumour was they were willing to bring in someone on loan for a year whilst the situation is resolved, this may be a message to Dortmund of course. The rumour as to who they are looking for the years loan, is Bale, hence why he was even quoted as appealing to be given a chance to leave. Personally I think that chance should have gone but it's a rumour.
1.) 03 Sep 2020 21:42:10
I'm not a fan of Bale, he is clearly a very talented player. Yet his apparent attitude over the past few years has been awful. Refusing to take the medical advice of his club, his childish antics on the sideline, while his refusal to attempt to learn Spanish doesn't sit well. Plus when you factor in his age, his injury record and his wage demands it has Alexis Sanchez written all over it.
Yet, a loan deal might not be the worst idea. With Sancho seemingly unavailable, and with Greenwood pushing to start maybe bringing in a player who isn't a long term option might offer the club some experience in a key position, without blocking Greenwood.
It doesn't have to be Bale, there could be other options. Dembele at Barcelona for example. Both players who considering their cost and their injuries a permanent deal looks like a bad idea. Yet a loan could be worth exploring.
2.) 03 Sep 2020 21:53:47
Theres an update on dortmunds transfer plans on the european pages, situation remains the same as it has been.
No serious buyers for sancho at the moment, united won't pay the huge sums needed to sign him.
Time to move on alternatives i think, but i'm not sure there are any alternatives that really fit the bill as first team starters, might have to resort to cover for greenwood.
I wouldn't go in for bale, madrid created a problem for themselves by giving him a huge contract a few years ago and not letting him go to china last summer. I don't think its in uniteds interest to solve madrid or barcelonas issues.
3.) 03 Sep 2020 22:05:57
Shappy
I suggested Barcelona’s Dembele a few weeks ago. I would be concerned at Douglas Costa. There are rumours that Ole wants this Dayot chap but the transfer committee thinks he is too young. We shall see but deals need to be done.
4.) 03 Sep 2020 22:34:36
I’d love to see Bale for a season. But he isn’t really a suitable Sancho replacement, being LW. So Dembele seems a credible alternative if indeed the club are looking for a credible stopgap. The total Sancho cost at present is pure greed. They’ll be keener to deal as the prospect of him leaving for free draws a season closer. It’s a shame that all of that side has become to frequent these days. Don’t remember much player power in the heyday of Olsen and Strachan tearing down the flanks.
{Ed0666's Note - did strachan ever tear down a flank?
5.) 03 Sep 2020 22:41:46
Im torn on bale. He falls into the category of players i wish had signed for United. But that was some time ago. The ability is there still i don't doubt that but i doubt his drive and commitment to be as good as he can be.
I still think we will sign sancho but i could be wrong. The deal is there to be done and with the sums involved there will be compromises made by all parties imo.
6.) 03 Sep 2020 22:51:31
Dembele or Coman are good options.
Bale on a season loan is not the worst idea I’ve ever heard though until the Sancho desk can be done next year.
7.) 03 Sep 2020 22:52:06
I totally agree with Shappy. Bale seems to be the perfect case now . He allows us to spend more money at other positions and his injury record means that he will rotate with Mason at right wing. And if, and its a big if, he finds his form he will be one of the best in the league. If we can't find a solution with Sancho then Bale on a year loan its a very good option.
{Ed0666's Note - bale is a left winger no?
8.) 04 Sep 2020 00:47:50
I don't think ed666. He is effective at right cutting in and shot. He was a left wing back and left back at Spurs, maybe he can still play there but he isn't left winger. At Real Ronaldo was playing at the left and Bale at the right, although i think he is best suited at a free role behind the striker . I have seen him play there with his national team previous years and he was fantastic, a special player. If he comes i think he will start from right but he will be more centrally most of time.
{Ed0666's Note - okey dokey smoky.
9.) 04 Sep 2020 04:52:09
I wouldn't say Bale is the perfect case, just not an awful option on loan with the caveat that a chunk of his wages are performance related to make sure he is doing his best to be on the pitch.
There are dozens of players I would pick for our RW spot ahead of Bale.
I don't think we need to go for a big name player, I think in an ideal world Sancho would be an excellent signing based on age, ability, skillset with the bonus of being a homegrown player. Yet the reality is there is a huge cost attached to Sancho which might not be able to be surpassed to get the deal over the line. If the club feels that there is a genuine chance of getting the deal done next summer then a short term solution might be the best idea.
Invest in other areas this summer, bring in a loan option for RW. Then go all in for Sancho next summer when hopefully the club doesn't need to bring in quite so many players, and when the Sancho deal might be a little cheaper and more affordable. When all the uncertainty over C.V. has been cleared.
Personally I think depending on how Ole wants to play other RW options should be sought this summer. When I look at our squad, I think a more traditional RW might be a good idea, someone who can hug the touchline and stretch play. AWB is first choice RB, but isn't the most adventurous. I think having a LW like Rashford who will tuck in we could play a LB the bombs forward on the overlap and have a asymmetrical attack with the RB staying deeper and attacking width coming from the RW on the right.
If the club wanted to do that then the ideal candidate would be Adama Traore, although he would cost upward of 70m, maybe a better alternative could be Ismailia Sarr who could be available for half that amount and is maybe a year or so behind in his development compared to Traore, but has just as high a ceiling.
It all depends on what the club is looking for from a RW and whether the club feels that next summer is the best time to get Sancho if he is considered that highly by the club. Ultimately what we really need is a top class Sporting director who can make these calls and create an overarching vision for the club over a medium to long term.
10.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:15
We need a right winger, why are we even discussing Bale?
11.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:59
But are the golf courses in Manchester good enough to attract Bale?
12.) 04 Sep 2020 09:35:53
If Sancho is unobtainable my preferance would be going for Ocampos, thought he did a decent job against us.
13.) 04 Sep 2020 09:55:26
Dozens Shappy? :p
Can you list 24 players you would honestly rather have than Bale at RW?
14.) 04 Sep 2020 10:27:59
I don't blame Bale tbh, Zidane hardly been treating him fairly either, I'd sit on £600k a week if being benched or left out all the time too.
Not many can afford him or those that can do they need him, takes both parties to terminate a contract so what's Bale to do, sure he would play if treated fairly in the first place but way past that now.
15.) 04 Sep 2020 10:49:54
Personally I said weeks ago, that if we can’t deal with Dortmund and Sancho, I would look at Ousmane Dembele.
16.) 04 Sep 2020 10:59:26
I do like Dembele but he would seem to be one of the younger players Koeman might want to hang onto. And I think Messi will stay for a year and get his free transfer at the end.
17.) 04 Sep 2020 11:12:54
Did barcelona not say dembele is not for sale?
Only managed 5 league games last season has had a operation on his hamstring, be interesting to see if he can get past his injury issues. Bad injury for such a quick player.
{Ed002's Note - I would ignore such statements.}
18.) 04 Sep 2020 12:06:33
Jred
Barca have spent mountains of cash, such as on Dembele and Coutinho plus been paying Messi a very large salary.
I suspect Dembele may be someone they can realise cash on to help rebuild and I would be surprised if it was anywhere near the mountain of cash Sancho will require. I may be wrong but think Fati is the one they really want to keep.
19.) 04 Sep 2020 12:37:30
Redman
He also cost mega money and managed 5 league games last season .
Seriously torn hamstring for such a quick player, it will be interesting to see how he returns .
20.) 04 Sep 2020 13:10:54
Jred
He did cost mega money, as you put it and if they sell there will be a big loss on him.
Giggs had terrible hamstring issues but we found a way to resolve it, I think with Yoga. That’s why they have medicals.
21.) 04 Sep 2020 13:13:09
Spenno, I really don't want us to sign Bale permanently. I would just about accept a loan deal if half of his wages were as a bonus for making the match day squad. He has a terrible injury record, and has shown very little drive to play football over the past couple of seasons.
For that reason if we were looking to sign a player permanently Bale would be so far down the list there would be dozen's of players I'd choose ahead of him.
Sancho, Buendia, David Neres, Brooks, Tsygankov, Ismailia Sarr, Moussa Diaby, Kulusevski, Leon Bailey, Mahrez, Salah, Bernardo Silva, Ferran Torres, Chiesa, Gnabry, Adama Traore, Mbappe, Bergwijn, Stengs, Tete, Ziyech, Pulisic, Willian, Thorgan Hazard, Bernardeschi, Douglas Costa, Dybala, Lo Celso, Lucas Moura, Justin Klivert, Zaha, Richarlison, Odegaard, Lozano, Raphinha, Under, Zaniolo, Chukwueze, Hudson-Odoi, Dembele, Trincao, Fati, Bryan Mbeumo, Ihatteren and Messi.
All players who can play RW who I'd want more than Bale, a lot of them just won't be available such as Mbappe for example. Some are very young and probably aren't ready for the EPL such as Ihatteren. While others are good solid players without being anything special such as Lucas Moura.
All however I feel would be better signings than Bale.
22.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Redman
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.
23.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Redman
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.
24.) 04 Sep 2020 14:16:06
Shappy I was assuming they would all be realistic and obtainable alternatives, think only a handful of those would be. But I get the point re: Bale.
25.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:22
Bale doesn't even like playing football. He gets £600k a week to play his preferred game of golf in the sun. Why would he leave the golf course and come to rainy Manchester?
26.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:31
Spenno, conservatively I think around 27 of them could be realistically obtainable.
27.) 04 Sep 2020 15:11:42
Thank god for Google, hey Shappy.
Complete bolloxology again.
28.) 04 Sep 2020 21:43:47
Betty, I don't need Google, I'm a full time student so I have plenty of time on my hands to watch plenty of football.
The thing with Bale is just about any player is better than him as they actually want to play football. His injury record is atrocious, his game relies on explosive speed, which is causing his injuries. He expects to earn 600k per week and only wants to play golf.
29.) 04 Sep 2020 23:17:26
Why do people feel sancho will be cheaper in a years time, it's a genuine question .
I've always rated bale but that ship surely has sailed . I'd have liked him 3 year ago not now . He seems Madrids answer to sanchez, large wages no takers if a fee is involved or he duznt have a rethink on wages but if you were him would you.
30.) 05 Sep 2020 08:15:11
Slate it's not about him being cheaper in a year's time. Although I vaguely remember someone saying something about agent fees might becoming under some kind of legislation for next year which might bring them down. But that's neither here or there in the grand scheme of things.
The issue isn't spending that amount of money, it's spending that amount of money while there is so much uncertainty around football currently due to the events of this year.
No one knows when fans can come back to stadiums, the financial hits of this year haven't been fully felt yet and how that knocks on to next year. What if there is another stoppage in sport? How will what has happened effect sponsorship deals moving forward. While club's are concerned about image, spending 120m on a player while several million people have lost their job and the country has gone in to a deep recession, can reflect negatively on the club. Speaking of recession, the Glazers took over the club in 2005, then the 2008 global recession happened which meant the club had to borrow further, along with the additional interest increased the debt by around 300m and meant that 12 years later the debt still hasn't been paid off. So the club has been stung by global recessions in the past.
Until there is more certainty sanctioning such a large spend in one player isn't something the club can do out of hand. Due diligence needs to be done, along with making sure the deal is as good as possible for the club in terms of bringing the fee down and spreading the the cost.
31.) 05 Sep 2020 10:39:44
Wouldn't touch Dembele personally.
32.) 05 Sep 2020 17:15:23
I'm guessing then shappy that if the 120 million you quote was spent on say 4 other players youd be just as against it what with the financial uncertainty and people losing jobs and other things you mention otherwise your simply saying youd spend it differently .
33.) 05 Sep 2020 18:10:43
Slate, I'm not saying I'm against the club spending 120m or 200m. If the club has it and can afford it then fine.
What I'm saying is there is a concern about spending so much money on one player.
Like I've said, I would be happy if we get Sancho, he looks one hell of a player. Yet I would have a concern if the club were to put all their eggs into one basket. If Sancho was our only summer signing I'd have concerns. However, we have signed DvdB already. If Donny and Sancho were our only two summer signings then fine. However, I'd have concern over our defence, I think we could do with a couple of quality signings in defence.
31 May 2020 15:03:20
Saul Niguez has apparently said he will announce his new club in 3 days. Will be interesting to see where that is.
1.) 31 May 2020 15:15:26
He looks City bound, i think he'll fit in any Pep side.
2.) 31 May 2020 15:56:54
Im not sure how reliable that teller is redman. hope your well.
If he is announcing it in 3 days then its been kept very quiet wherever he is going.
My guess would be city although i really hope its us. He is one of the top midfielders in Europe imo. If pogba where to go saul can replace most of his qualities and add more.
Saul and sancho and ighalo in this window would be the stuff of dreams.
Maybe get a player in return for pogba that could add depth.
Grealish is another target according to ed002 and the club are keen on him and Bellingham so saul is probably less likely.
3.) 31 May 2020 16:43:56
Hi Ken
I am well thanks, but not everyone in my family is, but we shall see on that. Sat drinking vino in the garden.
Someone said this was similar to what Griezmann did. It seems strange announcing it that way.
It would be interesting to see Ed02’s view on Saul and where he is going or if he is at all?
4.) 31 May 2020 17:34:47
It's his new e-Sports team.
5.) 31 May 2020 17:41:21
Fabrizio Romano has said this has nothing to do with a transfer.
Which seems to make sense. Saul has always appeared pretty commited to Atletico, at least publicly. I can't imagine he would announce himself leaving before the season is finished.
I'm expecting some sort of sponsorship or the other to be announced.
6.) 31 May 2020 17:47:50
Saul is a top class player and would fit in well in pretty much any side. If it was United he is due to sign for, that would surely signal the club are confident that Pogba will leave this summer? Even though the club appear to be dicking about in letting him leave.
7.) 31 May 2020 21:04:47
When do we ever announce a signing this early?
It will be a sponsor.
8.) 31 May 2020 22:48:25
Following United on twitter Orr instagram now apparently 👀👀 that 100% means were nailed on to sign him 😂😂😂.
9.) 01 Jun 2020 09:35:03
People will grab hold of anything, fair play to him for playing everybody like this and getting attention on himself, madness what people believe.
10.) 01 Jun 2020 10:02:17
I am sure the Atletico fans are really pleased with the circus he's created around him. Straight away i have been put off him. Sounds like he's feeling sorry for himself and is suffering from lack of attention due to lockdown bless him.
11.) 01 Jun 2020 15:38:11
Nothing official from athletico madrid or from any other club. so is take it with a massive pinch of salt.
Im sure any club sending that sort of money will want to maximise the coverage and to their unveiling.
Sounds like a load of BS to me.
Him and sancho are the dream signings this summer. Along with ighalo they would breath new life into this team. With maybe another player coming in to boost the squad in any deal for pogba. The likes of raibot would increase competition.
Red Man's banter posts with other poster's replies to Red Man's banter posts
04 Jun 2021 11:09:08
I read something yesterday worth sharing.
Apparently it is McKenna that does the coaching, not Ole or Phelan. Ole is seen as a "man manager", so is not asking difficult things, hence generally players like him. (I suspect not all given how DVB treated but that is tbc) . McKenna is seen as someone who whilst coaching isn't seen to have a strong background, he was coaching lower level previously, so there is some concern amongst senior experienced players about his level of coaching. The level of coaching may discourage senior players from recommending the club.
1.) 04 Jun 2021 19:34:01
Absolute rubbish Red Man. McKenna was considered a coup by the club poaching him from Spurs. Mckenna was promoted by Jose.
I know someone who has been coached by McKenna who’s an international player now, and will tell you he’s an excellent coach.
30 May 2021 07:59:52
Manchester United are fixated on stability rather than quality of manager. Chelsea are fixated on winning trophies and glory.
Why is there such a diversity?
Yes the Glazers but the answer also lies with Woodward and who he has appointed, the ex mates of the manager in the press.
Chelsea just showed what single minded winning approaches can do, the other big clubs do the same, yet Woodward and co are stuck in the 60's and 80's looking for another Manager who will give stability.
That lack of winning mentality is why we only have 1 European cup more than Chelsea, the same number of Champions Leagues as them and 10 less than Madrid, embarrassed by Liverpool.
Chelsea showed the way, ex player doing ok was not enough, were decisive, got in a top manager and he absolutely vindicated their decision. Our board dither with emotional ties, it's sad, pathetic and ultimately will cost us years of obscurity for the trophies that matter.
Woodward make the decision.
1.) 30 May 2021 09:35:40
Oliver Holt does a piece in the Daily fail today saying now is the time a club not treading water would thank Ole and send him on his away with gratitude , having steadied the ship and taken the team as far as he can -The final in midweek showed the lack of winners and hunger in the team and in the dug out.
The club then looks for a winner to take us to the next level and install hunger and a winning mentality, weed out those not on board.
Glazers will never do it though, top 4 is good enough for them, spend just enough to keep it respectable and maybe nick a cup.
I have to say Mr Holt sums it up perfectly right there.
2.) 30 May 2021 11:11:30
It's really telling isn't it that Tuchel signed a 1.5 year contract with chelsea and wasn't given any contract extension even after finishing in top 4 and getting them to fa cup and CL finals, only after winning the cl is there a talk of extension while we handed one to ole just because var gave us a lucky decision in a CL R16.
3.) 30 May 2021 11:23:21
Red Man - You strike me as an educated man. You are a knowledgeable and well respected poster but why direct your vitriol towards the manager when it’s the Club that keeps him in a job! It’s the Club that appointed him, the Club that will offer him a new contract and the Club which outline the ambition.
A top 4 finish is considered success at Manchester United, Ole is more than meeting expectations he’s going no where!
I’m tired of reading the anti Ole sentiment. Of course if we have any real ambition to win the league or champions league we need a better manager and better players but it’s incumbent on the Club to make the right decisions and demonstrate the necessary ambition.
Ole has delivered two consecutive top 4 finishes which no manager has achieved since SAF retired. Ole is excelling. Why would you sack a manager that has restored some stability to the Club and delivered the extra revenue of champions league football two seasons running when this is the principal target?
Manchester United are run as a business, the principal aim is to make money not deliver trophies. Unfortunately the Club can make lots money without winning trophies.
I’m made peace with the situation. We all spend hours reading these pages, debating managers, tactics, players etc discussing how the Club can improve and deliver us the success we all crave but the truth is the Club has different expectations than ours! We are no longer a Club obsessed with wining so whilst these pages offer us some comfort and cathartic release until our ambition is mirrored by the Club the wait will go on. It already stands at 8 years and counting!
4.) 30 May 2021 11:53:10
The difference is the owners.
Ole hasn't been backed and has come up short. You can try to apportion blame but the rot is at the top.
5.) 30 May 2021 11:56:16
dlib do you think when fergie retired that's the day the glazers decided they don't want to win anymore?
6.) 30 May 2021 11:59:21
DLIB
Thank you first of all
I called upon Woodward to make a decision and said the board are emotional and dithering. I talk after games about the tactical and in game mis management but the decision is the boards, that is my aim right now. Ole is the result of the boards incompetence.
Ole is only excelling in keeping an emotional tie to 1999, a generation ago and a level of money coming in from CL to enable dividends to be paid. Emotions were very prevalent after 68, the emotion of winning an EC under Busby after everything that happened. I was around, born into it. We didn’t learn anything from wallowing in emotion, we went 26 years and the first 20 were a tide of emotion, harking backwards, chanting about long faded glory.
I said before SAF retired we needed a retirement plan, to learn from Busbys retirement and we didn’t. Now we are not learning from the emotional ride in the 70’s. We have as a result appointed the new Dave Sexton.
I won’t just accept the situation, I watched as we fans accepted it after Sir Matt and it was painful. I am obviously not as young as I was back then, I almost certainly don’t have another 26 years to wait and watch the mess unfold again.
Now I am with Ken, I wouldn’t buy merchandise or give them one penny so they can give it the Glazers in dividends. However, I also think I have a finite point with this, where as I get older I likely will have to focus on something else. For now I challenge the apathy, the incompetence, the wasted misdirected emotion about an ex player. I will not accept Ole until he wins the league or EC and I just can’t see that happening, so these are wasted years, just like when Sexton came. We knew that was a 24 carat error but had to wait years to put it right. Now we are there again and we are seeing similar football too. The reason people study history is to learn from the past, yet United don’t.
If it proves the club have no ambition maybe that is the moment I take my leave, enjoy my other interests as some of my elderly friends have, utterly frustrated in the club, but not yet and until then I have a burning ambition to win another EC. I just wish the club had.
7.) 30 May 2021 12:56:56
Red Man - What further evidence do you need to prove the Club have no ambition?! Having read these pages, other fan forums, talked to other Utd fans, read countless media articles and listened to all the radio debates I don’t think there are many people, the majority of Utd supporters included that genuinely believe Ole has the necessary experience or credentials to win the biggest trophy’s however some argue that in a summer when he had to close a 30 point gap he was given a veteran striker, a midfielder he didn’t want, a back up full back and a couple of kids. Some argue he’s actually did as well as could be expected with the tools at his disposal.
I’ve read the comments about Tuchel and the great job he’s done but people forget Chelsea spent over £200m last summer and their record signing scored in the final. I’m absolutely convinced Tuchel would not have won the champions league without this investment and certainly not if Chelsea had signed Cavani, VdB, Telles, Diallo and Pellestri last summer. How would Chelsea’s season have unfolded if despite chasing Havertz all summer they ended up with Pellestri and Diallo instead? Of course we’ll never know but to dismiss the summer transfer window and heap all the praise on Tuchel doesn’t tell the full story in my opinion. Lampard obviously couldn’t get the best out of a very talented squad but he was given everything he needed to succeed. That’s certainly not the case at Old Trafford and Tuchel would not have won the champions league had he replaced Ole when we were top of our group after two games.
It’s not overly emotional, sentimental fans that keep Ole in a job but the football club that actually think he’s doing a good job and more than meeting their expectations!
Ken - Come on mate, SAF was a genius, probably the best football manager of all time or certainly in the debate. SAF kept on winning despite the Glazers and not because of them. There is a huge difference and surely you can make the distinction.
A new manager may give us fresh impetus and new ideas but the ambition of the Club is severely lacking to achieve any long lasting success.
What we are actually waiting for is a new SAF or the next Sir Matt Busby. The next brilliant man at the very peak of their talents that can install the correct mentality and drive the Club forward almost singlehandedly, achieving success despite of the owners and not because of them. One day that man might walk through the dilapidated corridors of Old Trafford and re awaken a sleeping giant. I’m not saying we can’t win under the Glazers but any success with be despite them rather than because of them and that’s the task facing any manager than takes up the challenge.
8.) 30 May 2021 13:38:58
DLIB, since Pep took over City we've spent just €60 million less than them. I think our net spent is like €550 million.
I remember a thread in roughly 2017/ 2018 of how many Liverpool players would get into our team. Obviously bias plays a big part but most posters said very view would. I think Shappy only had 1 or 2 players from Liverpool in our combined teams.
Fast forward a year or two and the difference a top coach makes. Klopp made some of that team into the best in the world in their positions. A team with an identity, a plan and passion.
It's always deflect deflect deflect. We spend money. We spend shed loads of money. The idea that "Ole didn't want this player or that player". Salah wasn't Klopps first choice, either was Alison. I'm sure there's a few others in their too but he made it work.
This idea that we should only focus our attention on the Glazers is a stupid one. Of course they are the root of our problems but why can't a manager succeed in this environment? We spend money. We pay wages. We can attract top talent.
As I said the other day, I don't think we can dominate English football but there is no reason we can't be competing at the top end. A top manager could have us playing better than the sum of our parts. The idea that any manager is doomed is not one I can agree on.
Lesser teams with lesser squads of players have triumphed. Watch any great sporting achievement. There's always a top coach behind it. Changing the mindset of the players. We have a manager who threw in the towel in a title race halfway through the season. We have a manager who said trophies are only for your ego. He smiles after every 0-0. His football career mirrors his managerial one. He's happy to be a part of the Man Utd machine.
We can get into the nitty gritty of how we spend our money, but the fact is that we do have the tools to compete for top honours. We just don't have a manager in Charge who matches that ambition. The owners may be happy with top 4 but when that seeps down into the manager than it's game over.
9.) 30 May 2021 13:52:23
DLIB
I don’t think the club have ever been particularly ambitious, it seemed to take the arrival of a leader in SAF to set them off, now it’s all lost again. The ambition was to win the EC in 60’s but the focus was because it was for those lost at Munich. Once won in 68 we lost all ambition until SAF arrived.
As to supporting Ole, have they not handed him £280m plus?
Simple fact is that if the Sexton level garbage we see from Ole is the extent of their ambition, then the fall will be sooner than expected, we will not have global superstar status much longer. The football has been that bad that the marginal supporters, the ones Woodward included in his noodle sponsor sales presentations have started turning off. Short sales are allegedly falling, that will ultimately hit them in the purse.
The answer is in front of them, the ambition, the aim should be to win 3 CL in a row. But that would need someone with the drive of SAF. For me Simeone and Conte would demand and drive forward, but if you accept the dross as is, the Fulham of the late 70’s, then how can you pretend to stand above the owners who provide it?
Stop accepting mediocrity as the only option.
10.) 30 May 2021 14:29:17
Mumbles - I respect your opinion but you’ve also got the look at when this money was spent and how? You’ve also got to understand that City have a better squad and we’re playing catch up!
You’ve got to understand that there has been no investment in the infrastructure, stadium and training facilities whilst City have spent billions! I’m sure you already fully understand this but hopefully you get my point.
The money has predominantly been spent trying to keep us in the top 4 and not trying to win the league. Big investment has always occurred when we’ve finished outside the top 4 and not to close the gap on those above us in the seasons we’ve finished in the top 4 and needed to kick on.
I just can’t understand how an organisation can ever be successful when it’s not actually that concerned with winning and its priorities seemingly lie elsewhere.
I actually think we’re probably all saying the same thing. Most of us believe Ole isn’t good enough to win the top honours and most agree the Glazers aren’t particularly good for the Club. I suppose the real debate centres around could any manager really deliver success under the current incumbent.
11.) 30 May 2021 15:42:40
Red Man - I tend to agree with that mate. If you look at the history of our Club it has been driven by two great men.
For the record I’m not an Ole fanatic. I’d have sacked him as soon as we got knocked out of the Champions League. The decisions he made in those final two games were amateurish to put it politely. On the other hand I can also sympathise with a manager that wasn’t given the tools to really succeed in what was in my opinion a shambolic transfer window last summer.
What Utd need is the next great manager that will bring their own energy, motivation and drive to a Club sorely lacking leadership and direction at the very top!
12.) 30 May 2021 16:17:11
We're on the same side of the fence DLIB. I agree the facilities are well in need of an upgrade but the stadium being in bad condition doesn't change a thing on the pitch. Likewise the training ground isn't stopping us attracting talent.
On paper City dwarf us in everything right now. There's no point in comparing us with them because no one gets close to what they're doing off the pitch, but on it it's 11v11.
The reason I used Liverpool as an example was because it wasn't long ago we would have been in a better overall posistion than them. We have a bigger stadia, we have make more money off the pitch, our squad was better than there's. There turning point was hiring a world class coach. It turned decent players with potential into world class players.
I agree with you entirely on when we spend the money. We're reactive not proactive. But if we got a coach that could get another 10%-15% from our team we're challenging. No one has a Devine right to win any trophies but I would like a manager who is hungry for the fight and the huge task ahead.
13.) 30 May 2021 16:23:03
DLIB
Simeone or Conte would add some real fire. We are drifting to irrelevance under Ole.
14.) 30 May 2021 19:36:19
Whilst I’m no fan of how our club is run, looking at Chelsea as best practice is simply ridiculous. And not a club I’d ant to be a part of if we just sack A manager every 12-18
Months. What is the point.
15.) 30 May 2021 22:06:12
Eric79
Winning trophies is the point and they are doing it far better than us without the emotional rubbish.
16.) 31 May 2021 00:35:19
The difference is that RA isn’t too proud to admit that he made a mistake, nor is he bound by any sense of duty. If a manager doesn’t work, he brings in one who does and then repeats the cycle when results start to fade.
EW reminds me a lot of an investment banker who believes that a loss hasn’t been made until he actually sells the stock and so holds onto it, hoping that it will miraculously bounce back some day. He needs to learn to take the loss and reinvest in someone who actually has a clue what they’re doing.
27 May 2021 20:26:00
I just read an opinion piece in Manchester's main newspaper, the opinion concluded that Solskjaer was gutless. They used those words.
Frankly that is as blunt a comment I have seen since since Sexton days, when the Cold Trafford headline came out. How can the club consider keeping Ole, I am lost with it.
To read they may give Ole a new contract is utterly heartbreaking, probably on a level with when Moyes was given a 6 year contract. I implore those at OT to think again, it is an utter disaster and they are walking into, I just despair of what the club is doing.
1.) 27 May 2021 20:48:36
Red Man,
They probably think that by giving OGS a new contract, it will appease the fans.
He is out of his depth. The club have an obsession with recruiting ex players and ate living in the past.
{Ed0666's Note - let’s hope Dwight Yorke gets hired after OGS gets fired
2.) 27 May 2021 21:08:53
A new contract is disheartening but it doesn't mean an awful lot.
The manager is in for a shock if he thinks he can serve up that crap week in week out with the fans back.
He's been on his tippy toes in the deep end for a long time. He either delivers trophies or he'll be gone. It's a win-win.
3.) 27 May 2021 21:13:03
Decision making at our club is atrocious…. they can dress it up whatever way they want, with buzz words like dna and progress but the reality is that their decisions are based solely on meeting financial targets not football ones. Ole has repeated the same mistakes again and again, even the least knowledgable armchair fan can see his weaknesses and that he can’t move us forward yet our board want to reward him and keep him longer. It’s sad but I’m not going to waste my breath or time worrying as the club will do what it wants anyway. Give ole 200mill and 4 new players and the same issues will still crop up, he can’t coach and is way out of his depth. That’s the bottom line but the club think otherwise🤷♂️.
4.) 27 May 2021 21:46:28
Do you think the fans not being in the stadium has given Ole a false sense of security? We all know how fickle we are as supporters.
5.) 27 May 2021 22:06:12
Again Ole can be judged on his subs and match management. He brought on Fred for Greenwood. A defensive mid for an attacking player who i thought looked more dangerous than most yesterday. Then it was a defender, Tuanzebe and Dan James, and his final mastersroke of Mata and Telles for penalties. All of this just highlights his mentality. He plays no risk football, don't lose football not winning football.
Now whether or not the squad could be improved upon, when it all starts with a manager with massively negative approach, is it any wonder the players under perform. He will never end a game throwing on all attacking players to win like Fergie, more likely throw on defenders to scrape a draw. He is sucking the life out of the club, and i pray the powers that be wake up and get rid soon.
6.) 27 May 2021 22:16:05
The guy is punching way above his station. Remember as a player when he could of gone to Spurs but preferred to warm our bench. He has no ambition and our great club s as also has no ambition. They all talk a good game but in reality there all blaggers and bullters.
7.) 27 May 2021 21:15:20
Ed0666,
Don't jinx it lol. Nothing g the club does, surprises me anymore.
{Ed0666's Note - you made me laugh mate. I’d love Yorkie as the boss and his bestie Andy Cole as his No 2. United would reign supreme for 20 odd years.
8.) 27 May 2021 22:55:39
Despite all the above Ole is not good enough etc he has objectively improved us.
Fact not opinion.
Just sayin.
I did have this discussion with my brother and few other reds and I seem to be in the minority so expect to get slaughtered. But it’s all about opinions isn’t it.
Can Ole win silverware? Well love him or hate him he can only have one season left surely?
Clearly that squad won’t win anything though. Same spots we needed to improve last summer still there: CB / RW. And for my money a striker.
One of the Ed’s posted on the City page that United were making an offer to Kane back in March. Assume that was because we were convinced Cavani was leaving then though? Kane and City look a league and Champs League winning dream ticket doesn’t it. We have to be in for him though surely!
Massive summer ahead. And definitely a defining one for Ole one way or another.
9.) 27 May 2021 23:15:00
Yorkie would be great Ed, but we need to ditch sentiment and get a proven winner, a manager that's not a soft touch.
That can only be Gerry Francis, 🏆🏆.
10.) 27 May 2021 23:19:39
Its not unexpected. Its not the news I wanted to hear personally however it is what it is.
Let's see what's players come and go over the summer. I'm not overly optimistic that we will get the type of players we need.
I've no faith at all in the manager and the little hope I had is declining.
The whole club and fan base seems more divided than ever before.
The fans hate the owners, the stadium is in need of work the finances are tight the team are under achieving and under performing. There is a lot of discontent. A hugely over inflated squad that's being grossly overpaid. A massively under experienced coaching team and manager. A new and largely unproven recruitment team. An outgoing untrustworthy ceo with no obvious replacement inbound with a fresh approach and new ideas.
So where to start?
Imo
Owners are going nowhere. But communication and commitment and trust must be improved.
I really would be happy to go into next season with this squad with 2 additions to it and with 6 players outgoing with a new manager and coaching team.
There is i believe a lot of untapped potential in our squad.
Can a new coaching team get more from our squad develop an entertaing aggressive cohesive attacking style of play? Imo yes. We might not win but we can be more competitive than we were this season.
So a window of low net spend on players gives the new recruitment team and manager a season to access and select the right personnel next year.
11.) 27 May 2021 23:31:57
Good post halesini.
But ole has not improved us so I'm not sure how you seem that he had to be fact😅
Ole took over a team that had finished 2nd the season before on 81 points he has not come close to that total yet.
The squad he in herited had been in 4 Cup finals over the previous 3 seasons winning 3 of them.
In 2 and a half seasons ole has been in 1 final and lost it so he i'm not sure where you see the improvement.
People say its a happy camp? I see a totally diverse squad of 1st team and 2nd team. Does ddg or hendo look happy to you? Does rashford? Does vdb? Does awb look like a lad who can't wait to play? Does martial look happy?
I can understand you having an opinion that in your view and what your seeing is that he has improved us. i'd beg to differ but the facts are that he has not won as many points or trophies or improved or developed an attacking style if play.
I get some fans still believe in ole and they still think he can build a winning team. Every fan sees things differently.
I agree it had to be win or bust next season.
I don't hold out any hope of signing Kate and I don't think it would make a whole lot of difference if we did.
12.) 28 May 2021 06:46:07
I'd imagine the team building activities would be Interesting if Yorke was in charge. I'm sure Katie price would still be willing. I'm sure she is due some more botox.
13.) 28 May 2021 12:19:36
Its not both she needs MH its a fecking good ironing🤣.
27 May 2021 08:25:38
I remember SAF winning a Scottish cup with Aberdeen, then criticising the performance. That is drive, that is elite mentality.
This morning I am no more or less Ole out than yesterday morning, however, the game last night highlighted everything that has been said about our manager. Step back and think can the manager change between now and August? A leopard cannot change its spots, Ole only knows one way, he couldn't change anything last night because he is not up to the job, he has not got the knowledge, experience or that characteristic of winners. It is there in front of our eyes, in front of the directors eyes, but they are too full of tears about a goal in 99.
This morning he should be in the Directors office and gone. We should be looking at what is out there before it is snapped up. I look at Conte, at Simeone and see managers who would not accept losing, would not accept also ran Cardiff mentality and interview them.
However, like the manager, the Directors and board will probably dither until Christmas and appoint a Zidane. Another error.
What will it take for the powers at United to wake up, that should be this morning,
1.) 27 May 2021 08:44:59
Unfortunately our owners have been sold on 'progress FC'. 2nd place and no trophies again is a telling sign. If we were an ambitious club we would bring someone like Conte in this summer.
2.) 27 May 2021 09:22:39
All fairness Redman, in the new fergie film, he admits it wasnt the performance thay annoyed him at aberdeen but the fact they didn't put 4 or 5 past Rangers. It was personal after the way they treated him.
14 May 2021 08:25:06
Anyone who understands United will know how important the Liverpool game is, yet last night we didn't just lose at home, embarrassing ourselves, we also gifted Liverpool a top four chance. If they make it then they can attract better players and will improve and I sense that normal service will resume next season where they and City battle it out. They would be after another Champions League as well.
We can look at individual performances and few last night played well, but it is no excuse whatsoever to say they, the Scousers needed it more. That says our team were not properly motivated, why? Not acceptable
Tactically we were woeful. No width, Pogba left, Rashford right, both trying to go inside, but it's far more than that. Why play out from our 6 yard area when we get caught time after time, then most critically WHY did the coach not notice and change it. Giving it to Fred when facing goal 18 yards out is criminal. It looks like a narrative of coaching of retain possession, pass it to the nearest no matter what. It shows when we are in wide areas, don't overlap or cross, stop, pass it back inside. Why was the pass from the back tactic not changed, why did it take so long to change Rash and Pogba. To me it is rabbit in the headlights, scared to change what has been worked on pre game.
We do not have a successful defined repeatable consistent pattern of play, we just wait for an individual to do something special by passing it inside. Awful and i can't see it changing with the present coaching scheme and the sycophants who praise it, almost never challenging that sort of tactic.
1.) 14 May 2021 08:51:05
Just wondering why Ole and the coaches don't see Fred's first touch. That poor touch would always make him a liability while passing out from the back.
They just don't seem to learn at all.
The service to Cavani was little to nothing.
Liverpool don't have the world's best defender in Van Dyke, their captain. We should have had a real go at their 'make shift' defense to make a genuine statement.
Just hope Ole ditches this negative setup atleast next season.
2.) 14 May 2021 08:54:39
The irony in this post is just too perfect.
First this: " Why play out from our 6 yard area when we get caught time after time, then most critically WHY did the coach not notice and change it. Giving it to Fred when facing goal 18 yards out is criminal. It looks like a narrative of coaching of retain possession, pass it to the nearest no matter what. It shows when we are in wide areas, don't overlap or cross, stop, pass it back inside. Why was the pass from the back tactic not changed".
Where Red Man explains a consistent repeatable pattern of play.
Then this: "We do not have a successful defined repeatable consistent pattern of play, we just wait for an individual to do something special by passing it inside. Awful and i can't see it changing with the present coaching scheme and the sycophants who praise it, almost never challenging that sort of tactic"
Going on to say we DON'T have a pattern of play.
So which is it, do we have a pattern of play that consists of playing out from the back with short passes, playing through the centre.
Or did you just make that up? 🤣.
3.) 14 May 2021 09:05:01
While Ole made mistakes, yesterday and has made them before, what's far worse is how short-sighted you are if you don't see anything changing.
The whole football world, the coaches, the pundits (save a few), the players can see how this team is evolving and heading in the right direction but hey Redman don't see it so that makes us all sycophants.
For a man who claims to have seen so much of our football, u sure can't look past rashford playing on right!
We lost, it hurts! What hurts more is your salt. It's pretty classless I'd say, and that's my opinion.
4.) 14 May 2021 10:32:37
Shappy, whilst i respect that you don't agree to RedMan's posts but you simply cannot argue regarding the style of play. Its not just him but millions and everyone can't be wrong. Its been 3 years and we DO NOT have a style of play. Its just "give it to Bruno and then let's pray". Take Bruno out and then tell me what style is it. There is none. Look over to the blue side, DeBruyne missing no problem, style remains same just someone else will take his place because there is a pattern.
Ole is so mind numbingly stupid that he thinks every other manager is as stupid as him. He thinks what they did once they will repeat those mistakes again and just leave spaces in behind for our sprinters to run into. Well Nagelsmann didn't repeat it, Pep didnt, Tuchel at PSG didnt, Tuchel at Chelsea didnt, Klopp didn't but yet Ole doesn't see that and can't do a damn thing about changing because he doesn't know it.
I am not too confident about the EL either as i see Emery being tactically astute and won't fall for it. As such EL isn't as big a thing as is being made out. We didn't qualify for it, we were dumped into it by superior managers. On the PL front we have dropped points and haven't thus improved much from last year either.
Racounter, Rash on left right or center has been equally terrible. On current form he doesn't deserve his place ahead of either Cavani or Greenwood. And it was Ole who put him on the right.
5.) 14 May 2021 10:41:47
Shappy
What successful pattern of play that is repeatable game to game do we have? We have lost six times at home, the worst since 1974 I am told. Is that an indication of a SUCCESSFUL repeatable pattern of play?
Is successful a dirty word around Ole?
6.) 14 May 2021 10:58:10
Shappy go back to collage and keep writing short stories. your always ready to jump on redman.
The passing last night was the worse I've seen in a long time.
It was bad tactics all over the field.
Imagine having cavini up top who would flourish from good crosses. With his movement. And Liverpool with 2 shaky enough defenders.
Ole and the coaches. Are they blind or stupid. You are allowed to change tactics during a game.
And I won't start on Fred.
7.) 14 May 2021 11:00:44
Red Man, we are second so whatever that style of play is it has been more successful than 18 other EPL teams. We are in the EL final so it's at best the second most successful style in the EL this season.
Graham Potter gets a lot of credit for the style of play at Brighton, but they will likely finish this season in 17th place, just avoiding relegation.
If you want to say that you don't find the style of play enjoyable to watch, then fair enough.
If you want to say the style of play at other clubs is more entertaining in your opinion, then fair enough.
But you can't say that the club doesn't have a style of play. Especially in the same post where you clearly describe the style.
While to say it isn't a successful style while slightly subjective also means that every single side below us in the league also doesn't have a successful style.
If United win something this season with this style then by very definition it is a successful style.
I fully appreciate and understand if you're opinion is that you prefer or expect a more progressive, entertaining, edge of your seat style of play. I doubt there is a football fan anywhere in the world who wouldn't want to see entertaining progressive football.
8.) 14 May 2021 11:08:46
No but red man to flip it the away form is. It’s the same crap after every defeat on here.
He’s come out and said we need to strengthen . Honestly every time we lose a game this place is filled with paragraph upon paragraph about manager etc and the same dross is repeated. Always very quiet when we win a game.
Last night we had a good start, Liverpool took over and the goals came from basic basic errors from players. When yous step on the pitch you assume responsibility. Constant whinging and moaning about the man on the sideline does not impact the fact that experienced players let us down by switching off last night. It’s simple.
9.) 14 May 2021 11:53:01
4 games in 8 days.
Seems harsh to put this on Ole and Individuals.
Ole clearly wants a forward, a CDM, Right Back and Center Back. all areas we looked short last night. The club need to provide the right backing to compete with the best and they haven't so far.
We looked good for the first part of the game a fizzled out.
Let's move on and stop obsessing over Liverpool.
10.) 14 May 2021 12:35:38
Haha I can’t believe the overreaction on here, well I guess I can as some people are waiting for a defeat to write this stuff. We are already top 4 and will finish 2nd, our only important game left this season is the Europa league final.
{Ed014's Note - they’ve been writing it all season you just chose to keep those blinkers on 🤦♂️
11.) 14 May 2021 12:47:24
Overreaction. we could have made it very hard for Liverpool Did u not watch the game. And the same against Leicester.
We couldn't put 4 passes together.
12.) 14 May 2021 12:53:38
You have to expect criticism when you lose, no matter who against. Accepting it and moving on doesn't solve the problem, why were we poor in defence last night, who isn't performing, how does it get rectified. Arguing about these issues is the whole point of this site, and part of the joy of being a football supporter.
13.) 14 May 2021 13:23:32
Ed014, its not just this season, most have been saying the same ever since Ole was made permanent but the usual suspects chose to ignore it and then call it an overreaction.
{Ed014's Note - i know mate and I get accused of having an agenda or hating on United but I have neither.
It just seems so obvious to me as all the problems I see at Arsenal and other clubs at the top.
You just seem to have missed the top managers and top players for far too long. It’s almost criminal for me UA.
It started with the crazy appointment of Moyes. There really is no reason you shouldn’t have continued to win the big trophies and have one of the best squads in world football.
16 Jun 2021 17:58:33
Shappy
Pep is a far better coach and manager than Ole, gets far more out of players, who know exactly what is required. Give Ole City’s squad or Liverpool’s for that matter and he wouldn’t win the league.
You keep repeating yourself about how it is the players and squad not Ole. The old say it enough times and people will believe you stuff.
06 Jun 2021 10:15:05
The first question is how we spent £50m on AWB if he doesn’t fully meet with what Ole wanted? 2. Why can his attacking not be improved by coaching? 3. Dalot was one of the most highly thought of young right fullbacks in Europe, how did we not coach him better? 4. Williams has the United DNA and all that, would accept being back up, so why ignore him? 5. Laird.
So great idea to spend our money and buy another right back. Lastly, is Trippier one of the 3 main purchases? Trippier, Heaton and who is the last?
04 Jun 2021 09:17:36
We bought one of the most promising attacking right backs in Europe in Dalot, can cross a ball too. However, the amateur coaches didn’t do anything and moved him out.
24 May 2021 06:43:11
RWWD
The other and massive difference was we had SAF in charge.
13 Mar 2021 10:48:51
Romero was one of the best back up goalkeepers around and seemed happy in the role. The decision to retain DDG, then bring back Henderson was a crazy one. Those had to be managerial decisions, but made no sense, then we should have been fair to Romero yet were very poor. I have to wonder how other pro footballers feel when they hear about Romero’s treatment. We should have sold DDG several years ago yet gave him a whopping new contract, madness.
23 Jul 2021 06:55:09
Thanks Ed77
LPU
It’s a concern on Varane until he signs, people are excited, yet the Ramos situation was almost identical. Varane is not a Spanish icon mind you, yet also would not be my first choice to partner Maguire.
{Ed077's Note - Varane seems to not have signing a new deal at Real Madrid as his preferred choice, unlike Ramos in 2015. I'm not saying he(Varane) is desperate to leave RM but he seems to be lot more open to the idea of a fresh start in a different league than Ramos ever looked back then.
Also could you share who would be your first choice to partner Maguire, Red Man?
23 Jul 2021 06:50:41
Congratulations Caolan, wonderful for you and family.
22 Jul 2021 17:44:12
How old was Ramos when he first led us a merry dance to get a better contract from Madrid?
{Ed077's Note - my guess would be 29.
22 Jul 2021 06:55:26
Shappy
Wait until you experience gout, then decide.
21 Jul 2021 19:26:30
Broken ribs in the media? No, Barbecue spare ribs, it was an auto correct error.