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26 Apr 2024 17:47:54
At the game Wednesday I overheard a rumour and worth sharing, not about players but about reconstruction. There was talk that the Quicks car garage on the corner near the top of the road was being bought to house the new Megastore in future.
11 Mar 2024 20:38:58
Reports say Amad has deleted all mention of his club connection from his social media. Another player hacked off, likely because he has got virtually zero minutes. Looked to have a nice left foot.
1.) 11 Mar 2024 22:25:49
Another unusual signing of the Ole era.
2.) 12 Mar 2024 05:58:01
Wazza
Big money for an unknown kid. But he hasn’t even been given minutes from Sub, why not, instead of Antony. Now another player that looks like he has been ostracised by ETH, whose value will now plummet because of this. Someone needs to ask if ETH is handling these situations right. Bruno, Rashford and Antony don’t have to play well, get time. Now ETH has pushed another nose out of joint by the look of it. Good enough not good enough but the kid hasn’t been given anything.
3.) 12 Mar 2024 07:07:33
Out of curiosity did you see him play at forest in the cup? Looked a million miles off the required level in that 25 minutes! I’m not sure why the manager is getting stuck for a ridiculous priced signing he didn’t make not getting minutes when he sees him every day and it appears Forson has jumped above him!
4.) 12 Mar 2024 07:29:53
He has been given minutes.
How do you know this is a falling out with the manager, rather than Diallo now performing well in training?
Hasn’t ETH dropped Antony to give your beloved Garnacho that position, with the latter starting something like 25 games in a row
This pesty manager, I really wish he’d give one or two teenagers a prolonged run in the team….
5.) 12 Mar 2024 07:30:18
Apparently that's not quite right, he's deactivated his social media for Ramadan.
Be careful which reports you read and remember not to jump to conclusions.
6.) 12 Mar 2024 08:53:44
He has explained that decision by saying: “I deactivated my social media for a month just to focus on Ramadan, it’s a holy month for me and social media is a place where there are bad things to see during fasting. Stop the hatred, there’s nothing wrong with what I did. ”.
7.) 12 Mar 2024 10:35:46
He deleted Utd related stuff and left those from Sunderland. I know we play some haram football under ten Hag but come on, read between the lines. I get his frustration though. I too would be fuming if Antony was playing more minutes than me, and I am not even a professional footballer.
8.) 12 Mar 2024 10:51:40
Quick to jump on absolutely anything to have a go at the club, maybe take a step back and think before you post. The press make enough stuff up without stirring it up ourselves, I guess they got what they wanted though if people believed it.
9.) 12 Mar 2024 14:24:54
He doesn't get a game because he's no better than what we have already.
Absolute waste of money!
40 million Euros for a player that made 5 first team apperances and currently earns about 35 grand a week.
This just about sums United up really.
10.) 12 Mar 2024 14:48:52
Of course its ETH fault, everything is his fault. Posters here know more than the manager who spends 6 days a week with the players.
11.) 12 Mar 2024 15:53:19
Nice to see some humility from Red Man with an admission of getting it very wrong!
On an unrelated matter, I recently saw ETH walking down the street and at the bottom of the road he had the temerity to turn right, can you believe that? clearly this shows a complete unsuitability to be allowed to walk outside as all the experts know you should always turn left at the bottom of a road.
12.) 12 Mar 2024 19:06:07
IWOTB,
It reminds me of my mates in WhatsApp groups who only message when we are losing, as soon as we are winning I hear nothing, nobody seems to be able to celebrate wins anymore, just get annoyed about defeats.
13.) 12 Mar 2024 20:09:08
I want our trophy back
If I was wrong then I hold my hands up
However, sounds an unusual action especially if he left the Sunderland information in. Looks to me like he was frustrated and reacted, but see what happens to him and see what information comes out.
14.) 12 Mar 2024 22:09:44
Red Man, he has clearly stated that he has deactivated his social media for a month just to focus on Ramadan.
The point is though, you seem to just scour the media purely to seek negative stories which you then jump on here to use as a stick to beat every aspect of the club with. Leaving aside the issue of perhaps looking to find some correlation of the truth or otherwise of these usually spurious and nonsensical stories, it has to be said you seem to have lost all sense of even handedness and fair mindedness towards anything related to the club, yet you try and present yourself as some form of premier supporter.
15.) 12 Mar 2024 22:14:39
Giggs to Sheringham, yes mate, you are spot on. When we win almost no posts, see after Everton game.
If we lose it goes mental with dozens of posts essentially repeating the same thing over and over.
16.) 13 Mar 2024 10:31:57
Redman - look at what this player just did.
Everyone - the guy gave a clear explanation, it’s nothing.
Redman - *staring at photo of Amad’s nice left foot* still seems fishy to me.
17.) 13 Mar 2024 18:39:10
I want our trophy back
Let’s see as the season comes to a close. I will say something about what I see, especially when the clowns at the club have made such a mess.
Also, I won’t bother posting about it, sure you can read about Season Ticket holders in Section 122.
Danny, well they told me it was Amads left foot I was looking at….
10 Feb 2024 08:53:18
We are apparently watching young players in Argentina, probably along with other clubs. The names mentioned are Franco Mastantuono, Aaron Anselmino, Ian Subiabre and Tomas Parmo.
1.) 10 Feb 2024 17:23:12
This makes total sense and assume we have been doing this all along just not acting on many . I think we were in for alveres of City.
We need to be exploring all markets for the best value young players.
2.) 13 Feb 2024 21:20:38
I think we would all applaud this kind of policy, however these youngsters have to come into an environment where they can develop, fulfil their potential and have a route to the first team
Without that in place, these players will just be wasting their time coming to us.
15 Dec 2023 07:02:04
Rumours backed by a photo are circulating that after being ill for the Bayern game, Rashford was partying in London with Sancho. Rumours also of a £180m bid for Rashford from Saudi.
Sell or keep? Sell Rashford for me.
1.) 15 Dec 2023 07:36:51
180 million for Rashford, definitely sell him.
2.) 15 Dec 2023 08:07:51
sell, no brainer.
3.) 15 Dec 2023 08:09:50
Take 180 million as long as sancho is included, (and Martial)
4.) 15 Dec 2023 08:10:12
Its bs photo redman. its from the summer. People just being toxic/ evil spreading false stuff on social media.
5.) 15 Dec 2023 08:32:05
I would sell the whole squad for about £180m lol apart from Mainoo and Garnacho.
6.) 15 Dec 2023 08:38:38
Social media, absolutely toxic.
7.) 15 Dec 2023 09:55:26
Pretty sure the photos aren't from when they are suggesting they are.
Regardless, Rashford is a player who splits opinion. On form he is our best player. He's a Mancunian, an academy lad and everything the club should stand for.
The only real issue seems to be his form is streaky. Although there does seem to be some people who took a dislike to him for his work making sure poor kids didn't starve, yet if you hold that against him then it says a lot more about you as a person than him.
His form is a problem only when you are reliant on him to be your major source of goals.
If we had a 30 goal a season striker, and a 20 goal a season right winger then it really wouldn't make a huge difference whether Rashford had a 15 goal season or a 30 goal season.
I'd also imagine his form would be a lot less streaky when he's playing in a team with quality players around him. The opposition wouldn't be able to double up on him like they do currently. Which would give him more time and space on the ball. Also you'd imagine the quality of chances he'd be presented with would increase with better players. Both factors leading to Rashford having more chances to score, and chances of a higher quality. Which would probably lead to him scoring more consistently.
The problem isn't that Rashford isn't good enough, it's that he is in a team that isn't good enough.
All that said, if someone came in with 180m then I think the club would have to sell him. With Garnacho coming through on the left, then the bulk of that money could be used to rebuild the rest of the side. If that did happen hopefully we'd be successful in spending that money like Liverpool were when selling Coutinho to fund players like Alisson and VvD, rather than when Spurs spunked the Bale money up against the wall, buying mostly flops.
8.) 15 Dec 2023 11:24:27
Sad gullible fools actually believe this sort of garbage.
But a lot of our own fans look for the poison and believe it when it suits them and revel in it. Very sad.
9.) 15 Dec 2023 12:11:57
Shappy - he does split opinion but would argue that he is our best player on form, as he is never on form for long enough periods: it doesn't matter if he is a mancunian either, best, law, charlton, rooney, cantona and so on!
his problem is workrate and application -he wants left wing but won't cross/ pass tries to beat the same man twice and loses the ball - then walks back or if his teamates are lucky, slowly trots. He has got ability but doesn't seem happy to put in the work to let it shine.
Agree there are plenty around him the same but despite having less ability/ skill levels albeit in a different area of the pitch he could learn a lot about applying his skillset from maguire. There is obviously uncertainty throughout the club and that is from the top to the playing side but he is 26 a senior pro and international player who should be doing better by far.
there are others to be sold before him but if, if the offers came in at the figures mooted the club should accept. ps very much doubt it though.
10.) 15 Dec 2023 14:38:01
Would take £18m for Rashford currently.
11.) 15 Dec 2023 14:44:26
I would sell him regardless of the what money is offered.
Get rid.
12.) 15 Dec 2023 15:10:58
Heard a rumour wednesday evening before the newcastle match that they are seriously interested in rashford: this was off a mag with a box at st james - wouldn't think so though?
13.) 15 Dec 2023 18:20:53
I’d take 18p at this moment in time.
14.) 15 Dec 2023 22:40:56
Hard for people to accept, but isn’t good enough despite how much people want him to be. Sell at the going rate, but definitely sell.
15.) 16 Dec 2023 07:44:45
Wow Shappy, he was never our best player, and even when he does score, he still is too selfish, slow to pass, doesn't defend and what not, but he covers it with goals. I remember watching a game few years ago, where he repeatedly destroys our attacks by not passing or not passing on time. Few years later it is all the same.
I don't believe anyone would offer that kind of money for him, but i'd sell him for 1/ 3 of that.
16.) 16 Dec 2023 15:10:13
He is 26 now, on a rumoured £300k a year and stopped scoring regularly in February, sounds like a United player to me, why would we sell.
17.) 16 Dec 2023 15:32:11
He wasn’t. The account that posted it admitted that it was fake.
18.) 17 Dec 2023 07:20:42
Let's just hate on rash even if its bs. gives some here reason to vent lol.
19.) 17 Dec 2023 08:20:40
His ex girlfriend is in the pictures I saw so clearly not from the other night, people will believe anything.
20.) 17 Dec 2023 10:10:34
GDS
I am no social media expert but I did read in the papers a couple of weeks ago that he was back with said girlfriend, hired a restaurant for a meal. True or fake picture, I would still sell him. Anyone who doesn’t give 100% for that shirt deliberately needs selling.
21.) 17 Dec 2023 11:14:17
I wouldn't be surprised by anything at all from Saudi. Maybe if Liverpool knock back the Salah approach again Rash will be the next target, who knows.
I'm more surprised (or maybe I shouldn't be by now) that people have an interest in what players do with their free time, let alone when they're from 6 months ago.
22.) 17 Dec 2023 12:55:41
Yes Rashford is back with his former finance.
He also continues to be a little pleb off the pitch.
23.) 17 Dec 2023 13:51:27
Oh that’s good news, hopefully he will settle back down now then, always better when players have sorted out their personal lives.
24.) 19 Dec 2023 15:42:09
No idea what's going on with rashford but always comes across as a lovely fella who did the business last year.
He more than deserves a chance to put it right. No one knows what's going on with him.
21 Nov 2023 06:29:32
Rumour is we are planning to replace DOF John Murtough as part of significant changes when Ratcliffe invests, good, very good in fact. I suggest they also look at Darren Fletchers position as well.
1.) 21 Nov 2023 12:16:10
Red man, agreed.
Too long, we have had people in positions who do not have the level of experience to run this club.
Arnold, Murtaugh, Fletcher. 1 gone, 2 to go. Only then will we start to see real change.
2.) 21 Nov 2023 12:21:41
Think all “leadership” group will be replaced as new owners reset the structure (or lack of) .
New leadership spine of:
Owner/ chairman: SJR/ SJBrailsford
CEO: Jean Claude Blanc (apparently amazing at what he does)
DoF: Paul Mitchell (hopefully)
All pulling in the same direction - and bringing in experiences learnt with Nice - should really get United going in the right direction pretty quickly.
No idea what Darren Fletcher does.
3.) 21 Nov 2023 12:38:29
Fletcher is supposed to be a bridge for academy to first team in terms of support and recommending players to move up. I think. Could be very wrong.
4.) 21 Nov 2023 13:07:25
Caolin
His title is technical director, on what basis was he given that role. Technical and Fletcher don’t seem to match to me.
5.) 21 Nov 2023 13:50:19
I would expect they will review the whole structure if it has not already been done as part of the due dilligance. It could be that the role that people have like Fletcher just does not exist in the new structure and potentially new roles created.
With Arnold confirmed gone and Murtaugh certain to follow there will be a new direction, hopefully it will lead us in the right direction for the future.
6.) 21 Nov 2023 14:22:19
I don't know much about Jean-Claude Blanc but I read a few reports on him and he seems highly thought of and when he moved to Juventus during the period they were relegated, he focused on rebuilding the team and technical staff so I'd imagine he will, if he comes in, will look to shake a few things up.
7.) 21 Nov 2023 18:20:08
If its Mitchell, then it's up to him to decide on who and what jobs he needs. If he sees Fletcher has sufficient abilities to fulfill a role in his team then he should keep him. If he doesn't then he must go.
Personally I have no idea what he does, wasn't Micky Butt promoted from the academy head to do that role previous, I rather fancy it's a bollox job for Fergies old boys.
8.) 22 Nov 2023 03:04:07
And yet, Joel glazer and the glazer family still control the club. Maybe they will want to keep Murtough as their guy on the inside? Seems highly unlikely that the full structure of the club is completely designed by SJR. In fact it seem optimistic at best that he can get full control of the football side. How long until they clash on an issue? Seems like we will have a very odd structure for a business.
9.) 22 Nov 2023 06:24:02
Dodgy
Hence the points I made regularly about the Glazers still having control, for me to be then hounded by the usual suspects for saying it. I suspect that Rat may want changes but the Glazers have diffferent objectives, like with Martial, they may want their favourites, particularly those who looked after them to stay in place. A 100% buyout was what we needed. We shall see what the leeches allow.
10.) 22 Nov 2023 08:32:58
Murtough has no plans to go according to the Guardian.
11.) 22 Nov 2023 09:31:21
Murtough and Arnold improved on what we had but ultimately neither appears equipped to rebuild the club. Had they come in at a time when structures at the club were right then things may have worked out better for them, but we need experts in those roles now. However I won't be lumping them in with Ed Woodward who had far more to do with the current state.
12.) 22 Nov 2023 09:56:03
Patrick
I can bet he doesn’t but if leeches want him to stay and Rat wants him to leave, who wins? Leeches still have control and there may be a few situations like that.
13.) 22 Nov 2023 09:56:32
Lots of conflicting info being briefed out of United as leaders who have failed in their responsibilities scramble to pass on the blame and save their careers.
Expect Blanc and Mitchell with install a new leadership team and structure and either move on existing staff or ease them into alternative positions (ie move Murtough back to looking after the youth team where he did well before being hopelessly promoted out of his depth. )
14.) 22 Nov 2023 22:01:56
We have seen many false dawns at United over the last 10 years, this could be another one.
15.) 23 Nov 2023 23:11:44
Nothing will change imo, glazers and sjr will fall out by the summer, old trafford will still be falling apart and we will keep falling further back from the top teams. You can roll a turd in glitter but it's still a turd and that's our situation.
16.) 24 Nov 2023 09:15:28
Sad to see how many people have had all the hope kicked out of them.
I don't expect to see massive changes instantly, I expect we'll see some big changes behind the scenes, but that it'll take time to filter down and we start seeing the results.
For example let's say we change the DoF to someone like Paul Mitchell by the end of the year. He will change recruitment, but we won't see the benefits of that probably until the summer after next. If he decides the scouting set and player recruitment team needs ripping up and starting again, that'll easily take him until next summer to just get the right people and the correct set up. That won't give them enough time to be in place and have a well scouted selection of targets for the summer. So the benefits of those changes won't be seen until summer 2025, when they've had a year to be in place and do their job.
The problem is that many fans will see a new DoF join in December, and then judge them on any January signings we make. People expect instant change/ success.
I don't think the Glazers and SJR will fall out for two reasons. Firstly, I trust SJR to have the savvy to work with people without falling out.
Secondly, I think the root of our problems with the Glazers comes from their apathy towards the club. They aren't micromanaging the club, refusing to give over any control to anyone else. The problem isn't oversteer it's that they have taken their hands off the wheel for the most part.
So I don't believe the two parties will fall out, ones savvy and the other doesn't care enough. I think they will probably work pretty well together.
Both want the club to be successful, as it increases the value on their investment. The difference is one has experience of running a club and know what is required, while the others have no idea despite owning a club for 18 years. The Glazers have always given over running the club to other people accepting they didn't know what to do (while probably not wanting to either) . The problem is they handed over the running of the club to people who didn't know what they were doing either.
From the Glazers perspective this deal is fantastic. They sell 25% and get a nice pay off, while still keeping the majority. The person buying in will then assume control of the running of the club (something the Glazers have never wanted to do anyway) . They will take the responsibility of sacking/ moving on those who've done a poor job at the club.
If they do a good job then the Glazers asset will increase in value, if it doesn't work out then SJR will take the stick from the fans rather than the Glazers.
I see absolutely nothing there that the Glazers will be unhappy about.
While SJR will aim to own the majority of the club down the line, and will no doubt have a plan for how that will happen. In the meantime he will want to get the club back on track. If he can be the one to get the club back to where it belongs he will secure a legacy at his boyhood club. While also increasing the value of his investment.
This should be a good move for Manchester United, it won't be instant, and it's a long road back. But we appear to be going in the right direction at last.
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26 Apr 2024 17:42:52
I just read that ETH banned three Newspapers from his press conference today. One of which is Manchesters main evening newspaper. Really do not think that is a good strategy banning the main local paper. You can't change opinion by banning them.
1.) 26 Apr 2024 18:52:37
I believe they were banned from asking questions Red Man!
Samuel Luckhurst openly called for EtH to be sacked after the Coventry game.
Are journalists there to provide the facts or give their opinion now?
It’s unprofessional for the Chief Correspondent of the local paper, to call for a manager to be sacked. It’s not his decision, his opinion is no more valid than anyone else and the majority of this fan base still remain behind the manager.
Results and SJR will ultimately dictate the managers fate not the baseless opinion of a journalist more interested in printing their opinion than reporting the facts and then crying because they can’t ask a couple of questions in a Press Conference. He’s made his pitch he must now face the consequences. What’s EtH got to lose?
2.) 26 Apr 2024 18:55:46
SAF banned newspapers. Fans loved it. I guess the fans didn’t desperately want SAF out so easy to change your standards.
3.) 26 Apr 2024 21:23:16
Dude. Lay off and let him be. Not everything the man does needs to be ridiculed with such confirmation bias.
4.) 26 Apr 2024 22:48:28
Redman
You are so bitter man. Stop looking for a negative angle on everything. Have some respect for a guy who manages the club you supposedly love. It is so out of line what some of this stuff these twats are writing and saying. I respect the guy for standing his ground whether he is here next year or not. pathetic honestly pathetic.
6 games to go give it a rest. Jesus.
5.) 27 Apr 2024 03:25:59
You only see the bad in him now red man. I am very happy for him to ban them. They are poison around the club and have clearly had an agenda against him for a long time. We win an FA cup semi final and you would think we lost 5-0.
Still waiting to read a hatchet job on poch, don't hear much about him in the main papers.
25 Apr 2024 13:40:35
I watch the warm up with interest. Just observations.
Bruno was excellent in warm up, good accuracy and as they say practice makes perfect he banged a couple in from the distance he scored from.
Hojland, like against Liverpool was ordinary in the warm up, missing the target several times and even slipped and fell over.
Young Wheatley in warm up where they do one touch in a circle, saw he had quick feet. When he came on he seemed to run on his toes, glide and closed a defender down so quickly, tall looks a good prospect at first sight.
Antony Backwards should be his name. Notable live how he never challenges the full back, never tests for pace, just turn and pass back.
1.) 25 Apr 2024 14:09:13
I’ve noticed that Hojlund slips a few times in games when he’s about to shoot.
2.) 25 Apr 2024 18:11:48
Keane and Neville mention training and the warm up today on the overlap you should listen, i agreed with them.
3.) 25 Apr 2024 18:24:10
Ports, why isn’t the manager tying his laces for him?
21 Apr 2024 22:19:56
It looked to me that he took Garnacho off to reaffirm his authority rather than for any tactical football reason. The team then looked bewildered and lacking any confidence in what he was doing, then he took Mainoo off and they just thought we are managed by an idiot.
Parcel it up how you want but the manager is incompetent.
Yes we got through but when Rasmus scored the penalty to take us through where were the players running to the fans? Embarrassed and utterly lacking team spirit. That is what Ten Hag has done, not shown the discipline he thinks but destroyed all cohesion and team spirit.
1.) 21 Apr 2024 22:50:34
Red Man the players on the pitch should be good enough to see that through. I've said it time after time that I have no idea how to judge ETH, but I am very clear that there is a cohort of players there that are either not good enough or have awful attitude. Years of dreadful recruitment and contracting practices have led to this.
2.) 22 Apr 2024 00:33:42
It’s barely been two weeks since a big thread about the manager needs to manage Mainoo’s minutes.
It was 3-0 and looked over when Garnacho came off. It was the right thing to do.
3.) 22 Apr 2024 01:43:07
We played against a weakened championship team. We had 11 players on the park everyone of which, on paper, is superior to the team we played and yet were shown the way with desire, passion, effort and belief.
How can 11 internationals not have the ability to outplay and out perform Coventry.
Don't give me this inconsistent selection claptrap. Against that opposition, regardless of the 11 on the park, they should be able to walk it and yet served that rubbish up yet again.
I was firmly on the give ETH a go bus but have long since come to the conclusion that he is out of his depth. The tactical lack of sense and the rubbish he speaks in his conferences is evidence enough that he cannot and will not cut it at United or indeed any top UK teams.
We cannot afford to keep sacking managers. Hell I’d be the first to shout that from the rooftops but we cannot go forward with this one at the helm or we will be royally screwed for his tenure and another 5 years from that.
4.) 22 Apr 2024 01:44:34
Is sportsmanship getting worse in this game. Martinez then Onana and Antony. Kids will copy this nonsense.
5.) 22 Apr 2024 04:41:39
Game management at 3 0 shouldn't be a problem against a championship team, we couldn't even do it against Chelsea in injury time.
6.) 22 Apr 2024 06:39:57
Garnacho subbed v Liverpool v Chelsea v Coventry, coincidence?
DonRed, yes but it looks to me like they see what the manager decides, and realise it is dumb or stupid, the tactics dumb or stupid and are half hearted because they see the favouritism towards Rashford. They should be able to control a game against a Championship outfit but they are also human and clearly look like they lose motivation by not believing what the manager tells them any more. Players need selling but the problem will persist because ETH looks clueless and it will affect new players. In fact the existing players will probably tell new players not to come near while this manager is in charge.
7.) 22 Apr 2024 08:04:17
Red Man, it could be that the kid is 19 years old and has started 33 consecutive matches and probably needs to have his minutes managed to avoid injury/ burn out.
8.) 22 Apr 2024 08:47:49
We took Mainoo off as it went to 3-1. Common sense says give it 5-10 mins and take the sting out of it.
He comes off and it’s open season on our goal.
With nothing left to play in the league we should be starting to rotate massively now and give some chances to some kids, Amad etc.
9.) 22 Apr 2024 09:09:17
Mainoo for eriksen is just crazy when the other midfielders are mctominay and Bruno and you've got Casemiro in defence. who's going to defend? Who's going to chase? Just opened it up. I don't hate ten hag but he's making very very strange decisions consistently now, but not like different decisions he's making the same ones repeatedly it's crazy.
10.) 22 Apr 2024 09:14:21
So, let's put some perspective on this, you don't have to like the tactics, you don't have to like the manager but if you are going to put the blame solely on ETH then let's look at what his tactics have done, 1-0 lead in the 96th Minute v Brentford, 3-2 lead from 2-0 down in the 97th minute v Chelsea, 2-1 lead v liverpool into the 84th minute, 3-0 lead in an FA Cup semi final in the 70th minute. Yet, Red Man believes that because he took of a 19 year old academy player who doesn't yet have 2 full season under his belt, Onana, international footballer who's played in a champions league final, Maguire, international footballer who played in a Euro 2020 final, Casemiro, international footballer, 5 x champions league winner, Eriksen, Fernandes, Rashford, all international footballers have all bricked it during these games they couldn't see out the result?
ETH has made many mistakes, he may not have the team playing the way we all want but if these players can not professionally see out games when they have been leading, there's a bigger issue than ETH.
11.) 22 Apr 2024 09:42:26
Shappy
Come on it was obvious why ETH took Garnacho off yesterday and it was not to have his minutes managed. It was clearly ETH exercising his authority. Pathetic. Would not surprise me to see Garnacho unsettled if the manager stays. The players will look at the manager allowing Rashford to swan around and will not have any faith in his decisions. Garnacho is one who does put effort in and does run, it’s numbing to watch our manager trying to assert himself on to a 19 year old who to date has given his all on the pitch. Ten Hag has to be booted out even if he wins the cup.
12.) 22 Apr 2024 09:56:57
I don’t think anyone is trying to take away from the players Ports.
The players deserve criticism. However, we are never set up to really control a game. We constantly look for transitions. The midfield gets vacated.
In the games listed above- Brentford was a disgrace. 1-0 lead had nothing to do with tactics. We should’ve been 5 down. Liverpool game the same, but he made subs to invite pressure in an attempt to see it out. Chelsea game, we did the same, should’ve conceded 5/ 6 again. We’ve rode our luck and should be much further down the table.
Maybe the players should ignore the plan and just change up to see the game out their way? I don’t think these players have downed tools this season. They’re working and a lot of them are running themselves into the ground every week.
13.) 22 Apr 2024 10:06:17
Players get injured in training and it’s the managers fault.
Players get brought off for a rest at 3-0 / 3-1 and it’s the managers fault.
If Mainoo or Garnacho would’ve stayed on and picked up an injury, and been out for 4 weeks, you can bet your bottom dollar the dinosaur double act would be moaning and blaming the manager for that as well.
14.) 22 Apr 2024 10:46:19
No offence, but those players brought on, with all due respect to Coventry who were fantastic, should have been more than good enough to see out the last 20 minutes. He brought off 2 kids who've played a lot of minutes, probably believing that at 3-0 and 3-1, the players at his disposal were enough to see the game out, and they should have been.
I deal with the hindsight committee in work every morning. It's a wonderful quality to possess. Talk of 'making a point' or 'punishment' for Garnacho are way off the mark in my opinion.
15.) 22 Apr 2024 11:06:26
Nou
Leaving Rashford on. What message did that send to the team?
16.) 22 Apr 2024 12:17:53
They're all international level, experienced EPL players, Red Man. They should be professional and do what they're paid very well to do.
17.) 22 Apr 2024 13:44:26
Nou
Yes but they are human and being demotivated by what is being done.
18.) 22 Apr 2024 16:52:47
Red man, I think it is a case of you seeing what you want to see and not what is there.
You say it was "obvious" why he took Garnacho off yesterday, yet he's subbed him many times before the social media post.
I suppose its "obvious" that EtH has issues with Mainoo as well as he subbed him off.
Maybe he did sub him off to make a point, yet historically EtH has made a point with players by dropping them entirely or removing them from the squad. Like he did with Garnacho last season when he was late during pre-season, or with Rashford when he was late, or by removing Sancho from the squad entirely when he refused to apologise after his social media posts.
So you'd assume that if EtH wanted to prove a point he'd have dropped Garnacho entirely, like he has in the past.
EtH is strict, yet he's also been quick to forgive. If you apologise for your transgression it tends to be water under the bridge. The fact Garnacho unliked the posts within hours suggests it was just the emotions of a young man that got away from him. As soon as he cooled down he retracted it. I'd imagine he apologised and as such he was selected for this game.
EtH has consistently subbed off both Garnacho and Mainoo in recent weeks, which tends to suggest its probably more about managing minutes.
Garnacho was subbed off with us 3-0 up and we should have been cruising. As Nou points out above we had more than enough quality and experience to manage the game, players with winning pedigree, huge experience in the game, playing at the highest level.
We shouldn't have needed to score any more, therefore it was a perfect opportunity to give a 19 year old who has started 34 consecutive games a rest. To manage his minutes. To protect him from injury or burn out.
If you want to pick a hole in his subs then I think taking off Mainoo a minute after we conceded the first goal is a far bigger mistake then trying to rest Garnacho. Although to be fair I'd imagine that decision was made and communicated to the BEFORE they scored. Personally though I'd still have been tempted to keep Mainoo on for another 5 minutes to just allow things to settle. That said Eriksen coming on for him should have more than enough experience to handle seeing out a two goal advantage for 20 minutes against a championship side.
The bigger issue here is that if senior pro's with UCL winners medals, league titles, domestic cup winners, and experience of playing in international finals need two 19 year olds with less than 18 months experience between them to hold their hands through a game with a Championship side. Well then we might as well sack the entire squad bar Mainoo and Garnacho and start again.
19.) 22 Apr 2024 21:04:27
Shappy
I can see exactly what is there. I can see how the heart of the players drops when the manager makes yet another blooper.
Team dynamics are important, members of the team can feel let down when one of the team are a scapegoat or are favoured, or they feel someone isn’t pulling their weight and get away with it. I have seen players say stuff it, stop listening to the manager, because they no longer believe in the direction.
It looks like that, see it don’t see it, it happens. Just because they have medals doesn’t mean they have to believe in the cause, they clearly don’t.
21 Apr 2024 07:03:01
Is it correct that we have three more injuries from training? Mount, Kambwala and Amrabat?
What is going on?
1.) 21 Apr 2024 08:09:12
Apparently so. No idea what they make them do in training.
Worryingly it’s looking it will have to be Maguire and Casemiro at centre back! Worlds slowest partnership.
2.) 21 Apr 2024 10:19:56
Idk if I should laugh or cry.
3.) 21 Apr 2024 10:56:40
What about Scott in at Centre back and keep Casemeiro in his usual position. At least Scott has younger legs and the physicality to deal with Ellis Sims who will be their main threat. Also I think Dalot should play left back as he is more comfortable there than AWB.
4.) 21 Apr 2024 11:39:38
Had this not been a semi final game, I would have given Amass a go at lb.
5.) 21 Apr 2024 12:12:42
Are a lot of these injuries down to intensity of the training or are they maybe due to having to rush players back to early before giving them the proper rehabilitation time, I think the medical side of the club needs to be looked at, too many muscle type injuries this season.
6.) 21 Apr 2024 12:14:03
Think Scott’s injured as well?
7.) 21 Apr 2024 13:11:23
Casemiro might actually benefit from playing in defence with the decline in his mobility and stamina. He wouldn't have to cover as much of the pitch.
However, we have pretty much no one else to play in midfield, so it solves one problem but creates another.
8.) 21 Apr 2024 13:53:49
I guess ten Hag makes the work hard. Something half the squad clearly struggle with on match day.
9.) 21 Apr 2024 15:10:27
The week before a semi final and only two fit CBs, they should be in cotton wool. Farce we are in this situation.
19 Apr 2024 22:19:12
If Jason Wilcox is our new technical director, where does that leave our present technical director Darren Fletcher?
Technical, is not something I would use to describe Darren Fletcher. The days when he was stuck on the bench alongside RR have gone, so let's see what happens to Darren.
1.) 20 Apr 2024 07:41:33
On Sky Sports;
"John Murtough stepped down as football director at Old Trafford last week but it is understood Darren Fletcher will continue to play a key role in the football leadership team working across the men's first team and academy. "
2.) 20 Apr 2024 07:50:08
Thanks Fizz
Fletcher is a good club man, but could not see him as a technical director.
3.) 20 Apr 2024 11:57:45
From what I understand of the situation is that it seems that the new structure will be something like this:
CEO - Omar Berrada
DoF - Dan Ashworth - responsible for the overall footballing operations at the club, reporting to Berrada.
Technical Director - Jason Wilcox - responsible for developing and building the playing squad. he will liaise with scouts, data analysts, the coaching staff and the academy staff to plan and develop the first team squad. Effectively it'll be his job to make sure the club has a squad capable of challenging and playing in the style that the club wants. Which players need to be moved on and when, which players to sign, and which players to promote and when.
Darren Fletcher from what has been suggested will work along side Nick Cox, Jason Wilcox and the first team manager to help bridge youth players into the first team. Leaning on his experience of what its like to make that jump, and informing those around them about what is needed.
4.) 20 Apr 2024 13:49:26
I don't profess to knowing exactly what any of these individuals may or may not end up doing within their roles. But going on that assessment Shappy if Wilcox is to be the guy overseeing transfer targets and the ins/ outs, it's vital that person is in place now. Although tbf, last week without any of these guys being on the payroll, EtH suggested transfer plans were decided so who knows.
5.) 20 Apr 2024 14:01:03
Should be good to have Fletcher being in contact with the youth team players, instill in to them the attitude needed to play for United, Wilcox I think will be a great appointment.
The main thing that needs to be done is sign players who want to play for the club and not just come for the big pay packet, sign players with the right attitude, players that will run through brick walls for the club.
United have a bigger scouting network than most clubs it needs to be used properly, I think the upcoming appointments to the backroom are big step in the right direction.
25 Apr 2024 07:42:21
Heaven help us if it is Southgate, more years in the shadows oncoming.
05 Apr 2024 16:59:40
I would rather ETH stayed than appoint Southgate. Awful choice.
19 Mar 2024 19:46:51
If SJR knows his history, then he should know that Sir Matt’s influence around OT caused issues for years, maybe he knows what Liverpool did with Shankly.
Southgate and listening to SAF would be very worrying. We MUST move away from SAF influence.
13 Mar 2024 18:39:10
I want our trophy back
Let’s see as the season comes to a close. I will say something about what I see, especially when the clowns at the club have made such a mess.
Also, I won’t bother posting about it, sure you can read about Season Ticket holders in Section 122.
Danny, well they told me it was Amads left foot I was looking at….
12 Mar 2024 20:09:08
I want our trophy back
If I was wrong then I hold my hands up
However, sounds an unusual action especially if he left the Sunderland information in. Looks to me like he was frustrated and reacted, but see what happens to him and see what information comes out.
27 Apr 2024 08:05:48
I just read an article with the pass maps of several Midfielders in recent games. What was stark, really stark was that the ball was almost never passed forward, almost always sideways or backwards and almost no direct forward passes. I have commented on the pass inside keep ball tactics but the pass map shows it clearly. We need a more progressive manager, one who will coach defenders to defend but have a style going forward, patterns of play and play forward. We also do not cross the ball, yet when you watch the top teams, they do. Antony against Sheffield never tried to get past his full back, just turned back and inside, against the bottom team, that has to be instructed tactics.
The key basis of hiring a new manager would be to coach a more coordinated attacking style, looking forward and not back and across, not playing keep ball for the sake of it. The new management must set that style as the basis of the requirement for a coach. ETH has had a chance to implement it, but even up to recent games it suggests he can’t or won’t do anything different. Why should we expect a change from him when other players come in.
We should want a coach who coaches a more coordinated approach, looking forward with passes, use our width and get crosses in to the right areas, defenders in the right positions. ETH has either deliberately not done it or can’t do it, but it is what we need to see in our coach. My bet is the senior management will and should appoint on that basis and it’s we we all should want.
26 Apr 2024 13:55:04
ETH has wasted tens of millions not least on Antony, on other players. He has not given a hint of a pattern other than inverted wingers. His mouth is a big problem especially after games, alienating the press and his players, throwing a young player under the bus at a press conference was unforgivable and that is before we get to his ingame management and substitutions.
In the positive side he has given young players time in the team, think he could have given more at home to Sheffield though. Whoever is in charge next year needs to command respect of the players and ETH will have to get that back, if still there and give the U18 a chance instead of the Malacia’s and Antony’s.
25 Apr 2024 12:11:14
Agree, can’t criticise his effort and at the game you can see his running even more but it needs to be channeled, he needs coaching to be in the places where he can do most damage and not lose structural integrity of our set up. Looks like as Captain he is trying to be seen to do the most, his running stats must be ahead of everyone.
I just don’t understand why we blabbed £60m on Mount who plays in the same position and is injured a lot.
25 Apr 2024 09:08:39
Yes Keefy but I wasn’t starting that argument on this thread!
Hope you enjoyed being there live, I did. Will post on that
Bruno gets plaudits but is not disciplined, runs an awful lot mind you. Warming up his shooting was good, scoring with similar shots to what he did in the match.
25 Apr 2024 08:32:36
Leaders don’t lead when lying screaming on the floor whilst the opposition storm forward. Lead from the front is an old saying yet where has he been? Why did Hojland have to stand on his own after scoring a high pressure pen last week, where was the leader then?
Bruno runs a lot, but doesn’t appear to be in any structure, does what he wants, freedom with responsibility. Sets an example for energy but not one to go into a battle with, not a leader for me,