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29 Sep 2025 17:47:29
Whispers are that there has been a meeting today in which the club have defined a style of play which they have told the head coach he is required to play. That is a formation 433.
Who knows if true but if true it's a watershed moment, the club setting a direction is one point but what does it mean if they replace RA? Will the new incumbent be told to play 433? Does it rule out Glasner? Will RA resign if told how to play? Is any of this true?
Rumour site so there you go.
1.) 29 Sep 2025 18:29:07
I can't imagine it's true, it would be a ridiculously dangerous and stupid thing to do.
It's one thing to say the team needs to play a front foot, attacking style of play. And completely another to dictate to a coach/ manager what formation the team have to play. What next which players have to start?
You hire a manager to manage the team, it is down to them how they set their team up, ultimately they will live and die by the results they get.
We have ended up in the almighty mess we find ourselves in by having unqualified people making decisions about which they know very little, certainly not their area of expertise. It would be a shame after all the good work rebuilding the club structure behind the scenes only to start repeating the mistakes of the past.
{Ed025's Note - "it would be a shame after all the good work rebuilding the club structure" ?...when did that good work actually happen Shappy...i must have missed that..
2.) 29 Sep 2025 19:07:41
Interview with Glasner where he speaks about playing the formation he thinks best suits his players. 4-4-2 is his favourite but that doesn’t suit his players at Palace. Speaks very well about formation.
3.) 29 Sep 2025 21:38:40
It sounds plausible.
INEOS came in very strong with Game Model and committing to the club having an identity and style down to youth teams. That went quite with Amorim and the youth have remained successful without 3421.
It makes a lot of sense and means the players signed are for the club not the coach.
Shappy you’re coming across like a contrarian. What Redman says makes aligns with how many clubs operate.
4.) 30 Sep 2025 06:42:03
they would be incompetent if they allow this to continue. amorim is a fraud with nice words. get rid.
5.) 30 Sep 2025 08:53:35
Guessing you’ve seen the post from IndyKaila News on X.
Let’s hope he changes to a 433 but, given Amorim said he wouldn’t even change for the Pope, seems highly unlikely.
Results must improve though, otherwise his exit will be inevitable.
6.) 30 Sep 2025 09:24:18
Personally it feels like the narrative surrounding Amorim has changed, and a new manager will be in place soon. I have a feeling Liverpool will be his last game with a new manager starting after that as there is a decent run of games until new year.
7.) 30 Sep 2025 14:33:17
It feels like there is growing downward pressure on Amorim. While the directors will be reluctant to sack him, and admit they made a huge mistake, they also realise that things can’t continue like this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see interference with coaching decisions, or strong nudges towards a different play style.
However, if Amorim has proven anything, it’s that he’s stubbornly committed to playing his way. It might be a case that he would rather resign than change. But being a head coach, there is also scope for the directors to force his hand. Will be interesting to see how this eventually plays out. Regardless, I can’t see him still in the job by the end of the year.
8.) 30 Sep 2025 20:42:24
What I don’t understand is why are the youth teams still playing 433 and 4231 if the hierarchy hired Amorim to play this 3421.
Seems to me the structure isn’t aligned through the club which is another balls up.
9.) 30 Sep 2025 23:54:20
Or if that rumour is true could the club be trying to save £12m by getting RA to resign instead of being sacked?
10.) 01 Oct 2025 19:38:01
Why would anybody resign and walk away from £12m.
11.) 02 Oct 2025 22:08:49
Did RA not say he would just that, Eric? Or words to that effect at least.
12.) 03 Oct 2025 04:30:27
That’s his problem he is just words!
He says things and then blames it on emotion, in the heat of the moment crap
Great talk the talk man, but that’s all he got
Talks a good game.
06 Aug 2025 17:36:29
Baleba
One or two noises saying he is our next target. Will be interesting to see, certainly looks a powerful central midfield player.
1.) 06 Aug 2025 17:51:34
He'd be the ideal signing, but I cannot see how we could possibly afford him given Brighton will demand around 100m for him.
2.) 06 Aug 2025 18:05:17
Have to say Mainoo and Baleba in a double pivot midfield looks an excellent prospect, I know we are spreading payments a lot, but there cannot be enough left to get Baleba as well.
3.) 06 Aug 2025 18:19:00
Big big money there redman.
A lot of people would have him as their 1st choice. Super player. Would be a great signing but I just can't see it happening this summer.
Who can we get with our budget? Tough position to fill well on a budget just got to hope we get someone. Cas just slow and can't compete in epl.
Mainoo has a lot to prove.
Ugarte is very poor on the ball.
Collyer is miles off the pace and loan will do him good as I don't think he has a long term future.
Wharton would be a great option also but no interest shown in him by the club in don't think he is for sale.
4.) 06 Aug 2025 19:18:08
Fabrizio now confirm we have made an approach but it is a difficult deal.
Who lit a fire underneath our transfer department.
5.) 06 Aug 2025 19:26:12
Could we use any players in a potential deal? It would be a serious window if they pulled this off.
6.) 06 Aug 2025 19:30:50
Baleba is the real deal
Eats the ground for fun. Ideal player to set the attackers free.
7.) 06 Aug 2025 19:58:07
Even more reporting it now - even Ornstein and Romano. €100m asking price (£87m) so that suggests there’s a deal to be had around £80m.
For me, this is the ‘sales funding a further purchase deal’. Cunha’s initial payment went on the 24/ 25 accounts and I believe we had around £60m to spend this summer: £20m on the first down payment for Mbeumo and £40m on the first down payment on Sesko.
Let’s see if we can sell the likes of Malacia, Antony, Garnacho, Sancho and maybe even Casemiro and Hojlund.
Baleba on top of the others in so far gets us top 6 comfortably.
{Ed025's Note - really Downsie?, unless you address the keeper situation , the lack of quality defenders and the gaping hole in midfield i would say 10th would be the best you can accomplish this season mate..
8.) 06 Aug 2025 19:59:54
Just can't see it happening, suspect its laying the foundations for next summer window as statement of intent and get the player dreaming of turning out for us.
A couple of rumours he has said yes and hopes Brighton will open talks at least, possible loan and obligation to buy to meet FFP.
I am doubtful but you can't say Ineos are being shy of a challenge now in recruitment.
Possibly also a positioning strategy to see if Atlanta get realistic about Ederson or perhaps even Sporting and Hjolmund.
I still. expect us to settle for eother Ndidi as a stop gap or Luiz on loan. Gone very quiet on the Nmecha front but don't write that deal off either as Utd and Vivell really rate him as does Wllcox.
9.) 06 Aug 2025 20:23:32
Maybe if we sell Garnacho, Antony and Sancho. I hope we sign someone in the midfield and then get Baleba the next summer.
10.) 06 Aug 2025 20:43:08
Ed025 - lack of quality defenders? Yoro walks into any side in the PL bar perhaps Arsenal and De Ligt is criminally underrated. Add Licha and Heaven into the mix - only one game per week remember.
Yoro De Ligt Heaven
Amad Fernandes/ Mainoo Baleba Dorgu
Mbeumo Sesko Cunha
Is comfortably the best United side post-Fergie.
{Ed025's Note - bit early to tell with Yoro Downsie but he looks the best of a very bad bunch for me mate. De ligt is absolutely S**** and Heaven has hardly pulled up any trees but at least he does have scope to improve, Martinez is a joke and Harry is well...Harry, Bruno is your only decent Midfielder and the rest dont get in any top 10 team, Mbeumo looks very good and Cunha definitely improves you and if you do get Sesko..(big IF) your attack could look very impressive, the problem is though that you may have to score 4 to get a point with that defence and especially that guy you call a keeper, sorry to be so blunt and of course this is only my opinion but i do like United and respect them as a great club, but its no use me telling lies or even making outrageous statements like they could easily make top 6, thats just pie in the sky and i think we all know it my friend..
11.) 06 Aug 2025 21:17:53
Zero chance of this happening. Unfortunately. Brighton don’t want to sell, and will set a crazy high price.
The young lad at Middlesbrough could be a good buy. Around £20m.
12.) 06 Aug 2025 21:46:03
Baleba, I would need to huy a lot more tissues if we got him this summer.
13.) 06 Aug 2025 22:12:33
Ed025, you sound exactly like germansuppclub
could it be? .
{Ed025's Note - no rkc, i talk sense mate.. :)
14.) 07 Aug 2025 06:42:40
Yoro never walks in to any team in the top 4 that’s red tints on full blast…. Yes he is the best of our lot, but that don’t say much (but he could get better along the way being only young and got some pace) when most of them are very poor and not at the level required especially Deligt, Martinez, McGuire I would even add Dalot to the not good enough along with Shaw and only one I would keep is Maz, not because he is great but he can play a few positions so ideal in the squad. All GKs are waste of space, add our poor midfield to that, Ugarte diabolical Mainoo, no mobility or pace Cass now past it for the EPL, we have a dreadful Midfield and defence and GK, so top 4 is just not reality Top 6 is whilst not impossible it’s red tints viewing!
15.) 07 Aug 2025 10:29:14
You know what German, every fan wears their teams tinted glasses. And why not?! Football is about supporting a team against the world. Arsenal fans every year think they’ll win the league and are the best team in the league, Newcastle fans think they’re in with the big 6, Liverpool fans think they’re the biggest club in England having won 2 titles in 30+ years, we think we’re the best despite a decade without the title, City fans think they’re the greatest team ever to play football. Who cares?! It’s what supporting a team is. I genuinely don’t know what you get out of supporting United, if in deed you actually do?!
I don’t mind fans having an opinion but when they speak like their points are factually true, the arrogance of a nobody on a fans forum amazes me and makes it all a little less enjoyable.
16.) 07 Aug 2025 13:29:22
Relax Ports, he just has his black tints on all the time ?.
17.) 07 Aug 2025 14:29:43
Frankly some people just never seem satisfied. Its not FM, you can't change 18 years of incompetence in 2 years. We did great business last summer for defenders. We are doing great business this summer for attack. Next summer we will go big again on the midfield with proper attitude and ability to fit the team style of play which is now crystal clear.
Cup half empty is just a ridiculous mindset. Go back and look at all the negativity even after we signed cunha on we are still inept
, why so long for Mbuemo, you'd have killed at that point for 2 more top quality signings that are also long term buys, so why not see where we are at once the window closes. I do think we will bring in a Gk and a midfielder, just not the perfect ones unless we can shift all our flotsam and get another maybe like Hojlund or even Greenwood sell in clause come i to play. At least the front 3 are exciting and the defence is well stocked at least u til next window. Be happy with what we have done, its called progress and moving in the right direction. How are all posters not delighted with that. And sorry German, I've been reading your posts for a year now and if we won the treble i'm convinced you'd be moaning we didn't try winning the Stanley Cup or Wimbledon. Pure gaslighted with zero joy in theor soul. Even during the Fergie era we signed some utter donkeys. Transfers are always a risk, hence the most successful manager in our history was extremely fortunate we had 7 academy stars for a decade with one or two great buys. Even during his tenure we never had a GK come through and only Gary Neville, with possibly a good all round squad player in Phil as a top player, wes Brown, john o'shea good squad players but we had to buy Evra, Vidic, Bruce Pallister, Ferdinando, Schmeichel, Van Der Sar, its nowhere near as easy to deliver results as it is to criticise the lack of them.
We've been a shambles for years but the last window was okay despite the incompetence of ETH judgment on players and we backed him, now we are backing Amorim but surely anyone can see that Amorim has a very clear grasp on the ability, skills, player profiles and the mentality and cultural fits that make his system work. Finally, someone with clarity at manager level, who won't take any rubbish, and isn't afraid of confrontation or change of bad behaviours and is being careful who they buy along with a great approach to recruitment. Its never going to be perfect but if 2 out of 3 of these attackers come good, its a huge improvement.
18.) 07 Aug 2025 08:27:21
Actually seems the opposite of talking sense.
19.) 08 Aug 2025 01:11:39
Bollocks, German. Yoro walks into any team. Best defender I've seen since Rio.
20.) 08 Aug 2025 06:24:16
No need to make inflammatory remarks noucamp, but you are really making it up as you go along, if you really believe that Yoro walks into any team, that’s just laughable and deluded.
30 Jun 2025 13:08:18
Rumours say 14-year-old wonderkid JJ Gabriel has committed his future to us following a crucial intervention from Jason Wilcox and director of football negotiations Matt Hargreaves
Great news if true.
1.) 30 Jun 2025 17:29:33
That is correct Redman, he has committed his future to us and as you rightly point out Jason Wilcox and Matt Hargreaves played a huge part in it.
I know someone at the academy and was told a little while back that the likelihood was he would leave this summer, with every major club in Europe desperately trying to sign him.
I saw his debut for U18s, just a kid, yet he scored his first goal within minutes of coming on. Indeed he has made 3 U18s appearances and played a total of 71 mins and scored 3 goals, one every 24 mins!
The club are very, very keen to try and keep him under the radar as much as possible as they, rightly, do not want to overload him with expectation levels at his age. Indeed, it was noticeable when he came on for his debut that the T. V. commentators did not big him up at all, in fact they just said his name, clearly they did this under order's from above!
One word of caution, he will have another option to leave upon his 16th birthday, so hopefully all goes well for him in the interim. Think he may well be in U18s squad on a regular basis from now on. Whilst he is a phenomenal prospect we all know the number's of youngster's who turn potential into achievement is pretty low so very much finger's crossed for the long term.
One other rated academy prospect 16 yr old Jayden Ngwashi has also agreed a 4 year contract, again despite numerous other offers.
Has to be recognised that the work from Ineos over last 12 mths is the reason he has stayed, the signings made and also the clear opportunities being given into the first team squad.
Not only Diego Leon arriving tomorrow, but also another very highly rated youngster Enzo Kana-Biyik an 18 year old centre forward whose contract with Le Havre is expiring today, again chose us despite others very keen to sign him. It's expected he will be going out on loan to FC Lausanne.
Finally, Jonny Evans has today been appointed as Head of Loans and Pathways, helping to progress the careers of the club's young player's.
The future is bright, it's not orange, it's most definitely RED.
2.) 01 Jul 2025 16:28:27
While it is good to see so many prospects, I doubt we will ever see the number come through like 92. If we get 1 or 2 that turn into regular first team players that is a great return on the investment.
3.) 01 Jul 2025 23:21:35
You may well be right Grim, but what made the CO92 so memorable was the fact they all came through at the same time. How many breakthroughs were there the previous 5 years? or the 10 years after after them?
With what we have building in the academy I can certainly see a fairly steady stream of prospects coming through. There is a very clear strategy of investment in top young talent, with the fingerprints of Jason Wilcox all over it.
It should also be remembered that a big objective of this strategy is to produce players who can be sold in the £15m-£20m range, obviously to provide additional funds for investment in the first team squad. Very effective if it can be achieved.
13 Jun 2025 06:36:56
The other day i saw that Munro, a youth centre half who impressed the one time I saw him, had signed his first pro deal. Add to that yesterday, United signed Harley Emsden-James, 16, from Southamptons academy.
We will pay Southampton a £1million compensation fee with a 20 per cent sell-on clause.
Emsden-James is a centre-back said to have physical skills with technical ability on the ball, he could potentially develop into an all-round centre-back with leadership skills.
1.) 13 Jun 2025 07:56:31
Great to see us building from within. Personally think quite a few from the youth setup will get opportunity this season.
2.) 13 Jun 2025 09:20:19
Despite all the rubbish that has been going on at the club at senior football level, we certainly seem to be doing well in the youth area. If we can get one youth player regularly in the squad each year and give out a few debuts, we are doing well as a club and I do think it's important to keep the tradition and record of over 4000 games with a youth product in the first team match squad. Sadly they won't all make it at United, but if we can help them get good solid careers in the game then the academy is doing it's job.
I'd be delighted if in 5 years time we had a starting 11 with Heaven, Kukonki, and Emsden-James as defensive options alongside Yoro in the squad, Mantato, Lacey, Ibragimov, Martins in the squad too. Unheard of now but that would be brilliant.
05 Jan 2025 13:24:00
Make of it what you will, but Garnacho has deleted his Twitter account this morning.
1.) 05 Jan 2025 13:50:05
I would imagine he's been advised to do so to prevent him from digging his hole any deeper - he does have rather a dim bulb.
2.) 05 Jan 2025 19:35:49
And he stopped coloring his hair, he probably wants to become a footballer again ?.
3.) 05 Jan 2025 20:18:43
He’s also got an assist at Anfield more importantly.
4.) 05 Jan 2025 22:17:57
Garnacho has the talent, but it's whether he has the mentality to make it. He's made some poor decisions and shown his childish tendencies a little too often.
It's harsh, but when you play for Manchester United you have to grow up fast or you'll fade away.
I think he needs better people around him advising him, as many of his faux pas could have easily been avoided if he listened to some sound advice.
I've said previously that he doesn't have a natural spot in this Amorim system based on what he's shown himself to be as a footballer so far. He will need to get his head down (figuratively speaking, on the pitch however he needs to lift his head up) and round out his game. The only place for him is in one of those No.10 roles, but he needs to be more like Messi than Ronaldo I that position. He needs to be creative, hard working and a team player. He needs to learn to link with his team mates better, play for them.
If he does that then he'll become a top player, if not then he'll be gone within two years and risks becoming another Januzaj.
I thought he looked a better today against Liverpool, he played the assist to Amad rather than smash the ball at goal from a tight angle. That was a good decision and showed what he can do if he lifts his head and looks for his teammates.
5.) 06 Jan 2025 06:18:50
Good on him.
He looks a shadow of himself on the pitch at the moment. I hope it's a "full focus on football" type of choice.
If I were a professional footballer, i'd have no social media whatsoever.
6.) 07 Jan 2025 02:26:51
Liverpool fan in peace here and I think it is a good sign that Garnacho has deleted his social media accounts. I always found him to be a good prospect for you lot but he seems to have lost his way a bit since the start of the season. It didn't help that the fans and media were building him up to be the main man in the team, which understandably contributed to him developing a bit of a big head. Hopefully this is a sign that he is putting his head down and is working hard on himself again.
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11 Feb 2026 11:41:02
Morning from a long way away
I managed to watch the game with no sound due to the poor coverage here. The WiFi stinks.
Slow cumbersome with little idea on how to deal with the low block. Disappointed in that and also same team selection. No freshening up. Surely they knew West Ham would sit deep so Sesko should have been more prominent in selection, either starting or coming on earlier. No real speed or fizz in our passing, didn’t move them out of position. Mainoo lost his man for their goal, Lammens and Yoro did well to give us the chance of a point. Why didn’t Amad shoot right at the end?
Right here is a thing, from memory we have had 5 extremely marginal offside decisions go against us in the last 5 games. The third goal against City was in my opinion almost criminal, there was a discrepancy in the photo and the VAR image, the body shape didn’t look the same. Last night the call against Cas looked ridiculously minute. There was an excuse given weeks ago for a Liverpool goal of a built in 5cm allowance, where has that gone? No mention of it since. Why are United not questioning the PGMOL on the consistency and accuracy of VAR? Are the images exactly matching at the exact correct moment of impact on the pass? Does the photo exactly match the body shape? VAR looks unreliable and frankly biased to me on that basis. Is there any independent technical checking of VAR? What detail is there of the 5cm allowance or did they just make that up?
1.) 11 Feb 2026 13:43:37
The VAR problem is refs abdicating accountability. It’s easier for them to let the technology make the decision than take responsibility for it. Last night was a prime example.
The offside rule is in place to ensure fair competition between attackers and defenders. If the attacker is way in front of the defensive line, they have an unfair advantage. Casemiro was inline with the defender in every practical sense. His knee or toe being in front of the defensive line gives him no material advantage. He just got on the end of the cross ahead of the defender.
Implemented as a tool to help refs make better decisions, the VAR official would explain the specifics of the situation, and the ref could use this to determine if the attacker had a material advantage - i. e. make a decision guided by the spirit of the game. Instead, the ref is told if any fragment of the attacker’s body is beyond the defensive line, and that’s the decision.
The bottom line is that the technology isn’t inherently bad, more that the level of officiating is, and refs prefer to allow VAR to make bad decisions than to use it to help them make better ones.
2.) 11 Feb 2026 13:45:18
My issue with VAR is how it’s positioned. It’s looking for any reason, however minute that is, to disallow a goal, and not why a goal should stand. Every goal we score I’m waiting for it to be chalked off. It’s not great entertainment.
As for last night, low blocks have been our issue for years. Won’t be solved in one game.
3.) 11 Feb 2026 13:59:37
Danny
I think the technology is not accurate enough. One or more frames can make a difference. The
City one, there was a clear difference between the photo and VAR image, clearly looked a couple of frames at least different and if they are going to have such minute decisions the technology needs to be similarly accurate and I don’t believe it is. It needs to be reviewed and Utd need to ask questions. It needs independent review of the system.
Then tell me why there was a 5cm allowance for Liverpool and no one else?
It stinks quite honestly.
4.) 11 Feb 2026 15:24:32
My problem with the VAR offside reviews is when they deem the player that plays the pass has first made contact with the ball. It's looks like even this moment can cover the span of several frames which could be the difference between the goal scorer being onside or not.
{Ed025's Note - thats a very fair point Peter..
5.) 11 Feb 2026 15:32:56
Exactly that Peter, which is why it should be used as a tool and not a decision maker. The technology will never be 100% perfect or accurate. It should only be used as a visual indicator to help refs decide.
6.) 11 Feb 2026 16:05:02
I do agree Danny. Although it I just don't see how that works on the pitch. We can't have the referee running over to the monitor for every marginal offside. It will be as stop/start as the NFL.
There's only one way to fix VAR and that's to throw it in the bin. The game is dead.
{Ed025's Note - im with you Peter..
7.) 11 Feb 2026 16:29:24
How many frames is the ball touching the passing foot? Who checks it is the exact match to the frame where the player is? Is it an exact match? Is the system calibrated? Is the system verified by independent experts? Are decisions further reviewed for accuracy of the equipment? Does the accuracy vary from ground to ground?
I go back to the third disallowed goal v City, the VAR player image looked different body shape to the photo as if two or three frames different.
Something is not right and the Refs are hiding behind it. Then what about this 5cm rule?
8.) 11 Feb 2026 16:49:12
No mention of how bad Shaw was OP? He stinks, need to get rid of him, takes the piss out of us every season, plays well under a new coach or pre International tournaments, horrific.
9.) 11 Feb 2026 17:12:29
Red man. All the questions you are putting forward are valid.
Something is definitely not right!
I disagree however with your point that referees are hiding behind it, I feel that the referees are scared of it tbh. Does anybody enjoy their job when their decisions are constantly undermined? Some of the cup games earlier in the season were probably the best games to watch as they had no VAR and I remember a commentator pointing out how happy the refs were and he was right. Massive smiles on their faces, joking with the players. They were having fun and the games were fun to watch (except the Grimsby one ?) .
VAR was supposed to eliminate controversy. Ironically it has caused more controversy than there ever was.
I genuinely believe that over the course of a season the game has been compromised. The big prizes (forget the trophies, I'm talking about £££) will go to the highest bidders if this carries on. Maybe it has already started.
10.) 11 Feb 2026 17:56:22
I think the game last night is just another case of highlighting the limitations with our squad.
It's the first time in months where they've had to play 2 games in 4 days and the performance was flat.
Maybe we could/should have mixed up the team selection to try and freshen things up, but who exactly do we bring in and for who?
Can we drop Shaw or Dalot with Dorgu injured, and Mazraoui only just making his way back from an injury? Would Malacia and a not fully fit Mazraoui played better?
Or should we have started Yoro and/or Heaven for either Maguire or Martinez? Is it a great idea to throw young inexperienced CB's into an away game against an aggressive side like West Ham? Probably not.
So is it midfield where we try and freshen it up? Drop one of Mainoo or Maguire for who? Ugarte?
With Mount is out injured, then the only forward options to change things with the front four is Sesko and Zirkzee. In hindsight there was maybe a case for starting Sesko, but who should we have dropped? Bruno, Cunha, Mbeumo or Amad? Also Sesko has shown how he can change things from the bench, would the others offer a way to mix things up from the bench? Probably not as they offer a lot of similar things.
This squad seriously lacks quality in depth, and it certainly isn't even close to being ready to play 2 games a week for the majority of the season and maintain performances/results.
What was promising though was the never say fie attitude, the determination to fight back and not lost the game.
11.) 11 Feb 2026 17:59:01
Scholes
Said a few times about Shaw, if you recall I was very annoyed about ETH selling Alvaro who then cost Madrid £50+M.
12.) 11 Feb 2026 18:04:58
Should have been bombed out years ago.
Imo will go down as one of our worst ever signings.
13.) 11 Feb 2026 18:45:57
I can't remember was it was here mouthing off that this squad could have competed in the cl and come in top4 in the epl. On the neck of 2 good wins at the time.
???
This is a really weak squad or 1st 11 can compete in their next days but after that there is little or nothing.
14.) 12 Feb 2026 08:09:21
I remember who it was ken. ???.
17 Jan 2026 08:43:08
Ambition, something Manchester United had right through the club until the Glazers arrived. SAF had it yet had to bow to no value in the market. I remember watching Aguero go to city whilst there was no value as an example.
So what, said it before. Here we are in January having sacked a manager who was changing the club, but had already been turned down on who he wanted to buy. He wanted certain players this window, now he has gone and someone put a stop to that appalling spending of money that might go on dividends. The 20 years of Glazers should have taught us that, only difference now is they don’t have someone to say No value.
Speaking of no value, there was no value in Semenyo, or Guehi. City are now what we used to be, a club moving together in one direction, who trade far better than we do, plan very well. Have no doubt that Peps replacement will already be lined up. Yes there is the outcome of the 115 charges to wait for, if they are ever able to get out of a legal circle.
So today, we play City, don’t worry about midfield we are looking at a mystery midfield player on loan (Ruben Loftus Cheek I bet) , our leaky defence is ok. Meanwhile the club put out stories the players are astonished on how good Carricks training is. We wonder if we can get a result against the might of City, against all expectations today. We have Wilcox ex Blackburn with responsibility for our future whilst destroying a manager, telling us the poor team we have should be able to make top four. Ambition.
Twenty years of Glazers has turned us not just into a financial mess so they can be billionaires at the price of shafting the fans, but also they have made us the noisy neighbours with little ambition.
1.) 17 Jan 2026 09:39:43
Red man, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Ruben Amorim should have done with the players he had at his disposal, 32% win rate in the premier league. He won only 15 games in his 14 month tenure! 15! OGS did that in an interim spell . His results were appalling and he blew it up himself. He sacked himself, it's well known the club did not want to sack him, for whatever reason. Players he wanted? Why not do better with the players you have first.
On the Glazers, yes, they have been terrible with the leveraging of debt and putting people in charge of the club that were nowhere near capable. And because of the mismanagement of 20 years, I am willing to give Jim and his team a little bit of leeway. They are wading through so much crap and have to get so much more together and right before Amy of us will see real results.
And let's just remember, they did not want to sack Amorim, they wanted him there, in charge for the future, mad as it is to me, that's what they wanted.
Sure, I'd love to see them go out and buy more players but I believe they were throwing caution to the wind based on the Managers abysmal record up until that point.
Let's see how this period goes, who they look to appoint in the summer and players they are looking to get in. We are still in massive rebuild stage that is going to take nothing but time.
2.) 17 Jan 2026 10:04:52
angel
I am looking at the bigger picture. You just don’t get the change needed, for you it’s all about the results now, now, now. Change management involves short term pain, but some fans don’t understand. SAF would have gone in 1988 on your stats basis.
We have hit the panic button by not nurturing the change, kept with Wilcox methodology, gone back to the initial comfort of old slippers, someone who knows the club, who won’t push for signings. Time you woke up to the bigger picture.
3.) 17 Jan 2026 10:22:46
It is possible for both things to be true. The owners and leadership are incompetent, and Amorim struggled to get the best from this group of players. We can debate whether he was right or wrong, but calling this the worst United team ever, and regularly singling out players for public criticism does not make for a happy environment.
Conte's comments about Højlund this week were telling. He said Højlund is improving now he is receiving proper coaching.
Scott is ripping it up in Italy, Rashford is doing well in Spain. There is clearly something endemically wrong at United. I for one, have no idea how it gets fixed. New owners seemed like a good start but that isn't going so well is it?
4.) 17 Jan 2026 10:33:15
Spot on Red Man. Plus the not unexpected 32% response! Things were beginning to change on the playing front. Now we'll never know as we rinse and repeat yet again!
Imagine if SAF had been treated in the same manner. Again, we shall never know. But, for the sake of instant gratification, here we are again!
5.) 17 Jan 2026 11:35:53
Red man, you say it's all about now now now for me but here I am saying Jim and co need time and you want them out of the club. don't be so hypocritical, practise what you're preaching.
I didn't see the change or improvement in the team at all apart from the clutching at straws argument that we were closer to the top 4 than ever. I'll remind you, we were 4 points off top 4 when Amorim came in.
But it's done now, experiment over.
AJH makes very valid points above.
I'm willing to give the senior team more time to get this right as the job on their hands is massive.
6.) 17 Jan 2026 11:37:20
If people want to draw SAFs time as a comparison, he never presided over such dreadful results and he had much more difficult things to deal with.
Let's stop kidding ourselves with this.
7.) 17 Jan 2026 11:39:41
Redman, I'm only going to quibble with one thing. There are no dividends at the moment and haven't been since 2022. Personally I'd be really happy if the club was doing well enough to generate profits and be able to pay dividends, whether or not they are actually paid. If United wasn't a public company we wouldn't likely know what the shareholders were taking.
Why do people invest? To make money via income and/or capital appreciation. There's nothing unique about owners taking dividends, management fees, salaries etc. Despite the restraints put on SAF thanks to the requirement to service LBO debt, the club was in a decent leverage position after it went public. Since then United has spent plenty money on players. They've just done a crap job at it. That's the real travesty. The appalling mismanagement. If we were winning titles regularly would anyone really care that the owners were making money out of the club?
8.) 17 Jan 2026 12:02:25
Angel when did you change your mind on jim?
9.) 17 Jan 2026 12:04:57
Get that scumbag Jim as far away from our club as possible.
This is a previous post from Angel so i'm not sure that's a post looking to give him time.
10.) 17 Jan 2026 12:07:16
Is 5th not getting best from this group i don't think we are 4th bestt squad does anybody?
I suppose we will have to wait and see how much not Carrick gets from them.
11.) 17 Jan 2026 12:26:45
Newname
No dividends due to accounting rules, do you not think they are itching to get them again?
The Glazers have not invested one cent and yes I have called out the Glazers since the leveraged buy out because I understood what it was and meant. I want us to win titles but I want the Glazers out.
angel, what league positions did SAF achieve in his early years?
12.) 17 Jan 2026 12:33:57
Ken, he is a scumbag and I didn't want him at the club, but he's here and it's the first time that there have been footballing people in charge of our club so Berrada, Wilcox, Vivell, I'm willing to give them time to get it right. Hope that clears that up.
13.) 17 Jan 2026 13:27:24
Just clears up what we know angel.
14.) 17 Jan 2026 14:31:59
RedMan bang a new drum other than the glazers, we all know you don’t want them and we don’t want them or SJR, but RA was very poor and deserved the sack long ago, the football was really poor the results awful, terrible in game management and he wanted the sack, so good riddance, do I agree with Carrick, nope that’s another awful mistake….
But you deride everyone else but bang on and on about the Glazers which until someone with very deep pockets comes along that’s not going to change.
RA never improved one player in fact most digressed so how you can bang his drum is mind blowing.
15.) 17 Jan 2026 15:08:13
Redman. It's nothing to do with accounting rules. Of course they want dividends again. But to get them they'll need to make profits. I'd prefer they invested in the club rather than took dividends, but the only thing I really care about is the quality if our football.
16.) 17 Jan 2026 17:54:11
Newname
You are showing your lack of knowledge on financial matters. Accounting rules meant dividends could not be taken, that does relate to financial results and profit.
You would prefer, prefer they invested in the club. They haven’t invested a cent, I care about the football club and the Glazers need to leave.
17.) 18 Jan 2026 17:33:20
RedMan of course they not invested there own money neither as SJR and neither do many business owners, I am surprised you don’t know that as your telling others they no nothing about dividends.
Al I would say you go and try get that level of credit anywhere in the world, once you get it come back and buy United. Then maybe your stop banging the same ol drum.
10 Jan 2026 14:12:45
Oliver Glasner just failed his United audition.
1.) 10 Jan 2026 14:59:26
Pretty much all it takes Red Man.
2.) 10 Jan 2026 18:56:10
It's just an FA Cup upset and a typical overreaction.
3.) 10 Jan 2026 21:16:15
I don't think anybody will be judging glasner on one game.
But I suppose you never know nowadays.
10 Jan 2026 10:39:10
Amad on Ruben Amorim:
“He’s the coach who gave me more visibility and more opportunities to play for Manchester United.
“I was very sad. I even sent him a message to thank him for everything he did for me, both in my life and especially in my career.
“We had a very good relationship, almost like a father-and-son relationship. He understood me, gave me a lot of advice, and let me play freely. It’s very unfortunate, but that’s life.
For those on here who said the players were against him.
1.) 10 Jan 2026 11:15:09
Amorim never lost the dressing room unlike all the other managers we've sacked.
INEOS are different to the previous ownership, they aren't making the same mistakes, they are making new ones entirely.
The issue here was clearly a breakdown in the relationship between Amorim and Wilcox. That relationship between the DoF and the manager is the most important relationship at the club.
From the outside perspective Wilcox was only visible when things were going well. He was absent every time we struggled. That is the time the DoF needs to come out and protect his manager and shield them. We didn't see that with Wilcox.
Then there are the rumours of him wanting to have too much input into the team tactics. The DoF should have a good tactical understanding and should be a good sounding board for the manager to bounce ideas off of. But they shouldn't be trying to pressure the manager to alter their tactics. Which again is something that has come out a few times, with reports leaked to the press about him suggesting ideas or changes to the tactics and formation. He has even publicly admitted that he can overstep due to his coaching background.
From my perspective I'm laying the majority of the blame for this mess at the feet of Wilcox. I don't think he's supported the manager as he should, in fact at times he has undermined him. He is also the one in the senior position so he has a greater responsibility to make the relationship work.
Personally if I was the club I'd be looking for a new director of football, not because he hired a manager who has ultimately failed, but because he was a key reason for why that manager failed. If he is going to continue to do his job as he has done then all managers will fail under him.
2.) 10 Jan 2026 11:47:30
Jesus, can we move on? We are all clear on how we feel and why, I am happy to disagree and not fall out over it.
He's gone, the new owners are incompetent, Ole at the wheel, Southgate next year. Huzzah!
3.) 11 Jan 2026 15:34:04
I think Amad knows he might be the one to lose out if we dump the 3 at the back. Possibly a bit of self-interest there.
10 Jan 2026 09:45:09
Darren Fletcher: “I just think historically, this club is BUILT around the academy. Our record speaks for itself. ”
Where was the academy to replace the great 68 side. I watched for years whilst hearing the academy would produce. Sporadically a player appeared a McIllroy a Whiteside, but really this magical academy did little until SAF got in and changed the ethos. Since the CO92 we have had scraps. Lacey and JJ could be interesting but long way to go.
Now, that sounded like a we are not buying anyone this window, I have been told to say this so people don’t ask questions. The Ole news has helped the ownership because the fans are asking less on who we are buying. Now Fletcher flags the academy, no need to buy.
Well here is a question Darren, if our academy is so good why did you send both your kids to the Manchester City academy for 9 years, with United having to buy them back about two years ago?
Now we don’t have Amorim to change the ethos, we have Fletcher who will step back into what will be an influential role of some sort, who didn’t trust our academy.
1.) 10 Jan 2026 10:22:22
Because City’s academy is/was better right now, so he did what any dad would do and wanted the best for his children I guess.
2.) 10 Jan 2026 10:50:04
So was the change all about the money for the fletchers then eric do you think?
I mean if city is the place to be and as a parent he wanted what was best as you say, why move them to united?
3.) 10 Jan 2026 11:51:05
Which Academy has more players playing professionally than any other. Hmm, United, that's whose.
I think we develop great players, the issue has been transitioning them into the first team, that's where the issue lies, so many have gone on to have good careers elsewhere, and then we have transitioned some. we then ship them out.
If we are serious about the Academy then it needs investment and a clear defined pathway to get players into the first team.
4.) 10 Jan 2026 12:42:09
And that’s the point. City are currently better at developing good youth players, but fewer of them make the first team unless they are worldies like Foden as they are simply operating at a level above us right now.
Maybe Fletcher let City develop his boys, but realised they might actually get a chance to play more at Utd? Maybe it was financially motivated? Maybe the club put pressure on Darren and let him know it’s not a strong PR look to not have them in the club rather than at City?
It’s a moot point - we’ll never know.
5.) 10 Jan 2026 12:45:41
I think the other issue AJH is that we when we do transition the youth to the first team, we are them too quick quick to turn on them when times get tough.
Rashford being a great example example, those looking to get Mainoo out etc. Welbeck was much maligned for years as it being good enough, but he’s a class team player with an amazing attitude and the type of character we desperately need right now.
McTominay got pelters for years, now we’d take him back in a heartbeat. The list goes on.
6.) 10 Jan 2026 13:06:20
I agree Eric, although I think Rashford was shown an awful lot of patience. I also think playing for United is tough, players say they didn't realise just how big the club is until they get here.
7.) 10 Jan 2026 14:11:34
I don’t think using Rashford is a good example. Sense of entitlement comes to mind, his attitude stank. We needed to solve the attitude, will we do that, I am not sure now.
8.) 10 Jan 2026 18:59:45
Some of the greatest mistakes we made were letting players leave or forcing them out when we opted for a shiny toy.
Mctominay and Evans spring to mind, there will be more of course I'm just not as invested in this anymore. Rashford for me I would take back if he agrees to drop his phone and knuckle down and be the player he knows he can be, if he can't goodbye. Same goes for Mainoo, I have been one of his biggest advocates until this whole contract debacle and insta influence etc, drop all that he has the world at his feet, don't drop it and off you go lad.
I guarantee under Amorim all new players contracts had clauses in them about posting crap online, it is the only way to stamp that crap out and remove the damage one post can do to a team and played. I hope this is something the club sticks with.
9.) 10 Jan 2026 21:43:59
Rashford would try until he got a contract then sit back. Must not be allowed back.
05 Jan 2026 13:08:01
If they are waiting until end of season then Tuchel comes to mind.
17 Nov 2025 17:52:05
Team, not team Bruno. We need to move forward and that isn’t going to be with a 31 year old, no matter how blinded you are. You would let him play until he has no value.
I don’t hate anyone, let alone Bruno, but we are dragging our feet as we have done for years.
16 Nov 2025 13:17:51
Anderson looked class for England, looks a complete CM to me and can pass, comfortable in close with players around him. It’s the United tax on the price. Question is why have we not been picking up players like that before they get to £100m. Still, if the scouts like him, buy. You know I would sell Bruno to fund it, we missed that trick in summer. Still suspect that will be one of the big deals in summer. Thing is we need a CM on 1st Jan.
Ugarte takes a lot of stick, my humble opinion is that he isn’t suited to how we play. He looks like he is comfortable up close, one of a central 3. However, there is space all around him here and Bruno doesn’t play like that. When opposition run at him with space he doesn’t look comfortable. I think he is a really good player that was not bought for how United play.
09 Oct 2025 13:49:50
Believe there was a clause in the Ratcliffe deal that after a certain period allowed the Glazers to sell and Ratcliffe would be forced to sell his holding for the price per share the Glazers agreed.
Anything that gets the Glazers out and debt paid off in full will mean popping Champagne corks
The next question is whether the prospective buyer has enough money or is it just the Glazers want to raise more money by selling more shares but not concede control. Not completely sure on the company structure but think if Ratcliffe were to buy more shares that took him over 30% he may be required to offer to all shareholders the same price per share in a full takeover. Hence why he sits at below 30%. Unless there is a clause saying they can’t, then as long as they retain overall 51% the Glazers may sell shares above that level to someone else and pocket the next load of cash. The club won’t benefit until they and the debt are gone completely. A happy day.
12 Sep 2025 08:32:32
I posted relentlessly on here about how good Alvaro could be and the ridiculous decision to let Alvaro leave when we had no left back. ETH should have been sacked just for that . Very few supported what I said about Alvaro. I watched him play for Preston a few times and you could see the potential. ETH was an utter disgrace on this and other decisions. I am pleased RA has been putting some right but the boy Alvaro was a shocking decision.
17 Feb 2026 18:22:57
I watched Beckham and Ronaldo win Champions League titles, Ronaldo was the best player I have seen and I go back to Charlton and Best. The 2008 team was the best I have seen. Bruno has been a good player but is not in any of those players league. Yes Becks and Ron left but I would not swap Bruno for any of them, I wouldn’t have missed 1999 Beckham or 2008 Ronaldo for anything.
Bruno is recent but stats do not mean everything.
In honesty it prompts a conversation but elevating Bruno to the status of those other players is pure folly.
17 Feb 2026 06:58:57
None, Bruno can stand. Those are great players, Bruno is not their level.
14 Feb 2026 19:42:17
You can learn a language and we don’t know if he has started. If his representatives are saying there could be movement in summer then we shall see. Who knows but would t dismiss anything right now.
14 Feb 2026 19:40:34
Panic panic must appoint Carrick. Have we learnt nothing?
What I saw from West Ham game was no real innovation to change the game.
Without harking back too much, what does the club want? They appointed a change manager in RA, so what is the overall strategy going forward on the next manager? We don’t know but Carrick isn’t that change guy, doesn’t seem dynamic like say Pep was or Conte. We can’t just go with the comfy slippers of Carrick because it is easy.
I don’t trust either lot in power that Carrick would be the easy option, wouldn’t scream about a lack of signings and the gravy train would carry on.
Said a number of years ago Diego Simeone and he would shake things up. I see his boring team stuffed Barcelona the other day. We have to see what they want to do but please let's not sit and say the only option is Carrick.
14 Feb 2026 11:43:04
I read somewhere that Diego Simeone representatives would be considering options in summer. I mentioned him years ago on here but was told he was too defensive minded. I am not sure on his English.