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17 Jul 2022 17:00:14
Good afternoon
I don't usually post these, however I saw United linked with a striker at Stuttgart, Sasa Kalajdzic . Not seen the name before, no idea who he is but grateful for any guidance on him.
Thanks in advance, even if it is read the posts (I am not great on searches like that on here, maybe there could be instructions somewhere? )
{Ed002's Note - Sasa Kalajdzic (S) Stuttgart will push for him to sign a new contract. Agent has offered him to Brighton, Roma and Spurs - as they did last summer to Chelsea and Crystal Palace - and probably many other clubs. Bayern Munich are keen on the player but have a preferred target. The same is true of Borussia Dortmund.}
1.) 17 Jul 2022 18:36:44
Thank you Ed002.
02 Jul 2022 20:18:29
Before anyone starts criticising Ronaldo, why blame him for wanting to leave. Ron has maybe one or two seasons left where he could play Champions League level football. We can't give him it this season, plus, if we are honest with each other, given the continuing mess, it's unlikely the season after either.
I hope the club act professionally and don't start denying him an exit so that the whole thing will decline into a grubby argument only settled on the last day of the window when too late to buy anyone. The club need to let a club legend go without rancour.
We are that much of a mess they are talking about Calvert Lewin, how far we have fallen. How far putting Moyes and particularly Ole in charge, took us down. Instead of buying wingers the club should have bought a striker. Ole sold Lukaku and thought Martial was the answer.
Don't be surprised if we put a bid in for Neymar, after all he fits our utter shambles of transfers in recent years.
1.) 02 Jul 2022 20:27:35
We are where we are, we know we need a complete rebuild and that at the moment we cannot attract the top top talent.
I for one would just be happy to see 11 players on the pitch next year working their nuts off and see where we are at come the end of the season.
2.) 02 Jul 2022 21:25:41
I was thinking Neymar myself to be honest Red Man…. I’d really hope we don’t do it.
3.) 02 Jul 2022 21:32:23
I don’t think top 4 this season need be beyond our dreams (assuming we get the players we seem to have in the works - otherwise of course not) and this is exactly what Ten Hag will be saying to Ron, surely. The same thing Ron was told by Fergie when Real came calling. You’re still in contract, give us one more year.
4.) 02 Jul 2022 21:41:00
So wonder who will be captain now then?
5.) 02 Jul 2022 21:57:59
If a player doesent want to be here then sell him
Doesnt matter who they are.
6.) 03 Jul 2022 01:22:59
100% agree Red Man, Ronaldo will leave either this summer or next. Why make it an unsightly mess. Who really benefits from that? Not the club, not the player and not the fans.
There are legitimate questions about whether he would suit the style of play we expect EtH to play.
He obviously isn't a long term option.
Personally I'd like it if he can stay his final year as it delays the need to heavily invest in a striker. However, that comes with the caveat that BOTH Ronaldo WANTS to be here AND EtH WANTS him as part of his squad.
If either Ronaldo wants to leave or EtH doesn't want him as part of the squad then it's for the best that he leaves this summer rather than a whole season of discontent.
7.) 03 Jul 2022 08:13:24
If we after Neymar i would be so disappointed. It would be a bit of the same bs we have witnessed year after year.
8.) 03 Jul 2022 09:15:17
I don't understand all the noise tbh.
I haven't read anything saying that the club won't let him go.
Also, Ronaldo did say that he wants to go "if the proper offer arrives", which obviously still didn't happen.
Lets just wait and see.
9.) 03 Jul 2022 09:25:52
I think Ronaldo would be of more value to us in a swap deal than in a straight sale:
30m + CR7 for Osimhen
Straight swap for Gnabry
30m + CR7 for De Ligt
Those kind of deals may be doable.
I just don’t see the Roma/ Napoli links being true. He wants to leave to win titles, yet neither of those two have a cat in hell’s hope of winning Serie A next season. I can only think it’s Bayern, in which case we should be asking for Gnabry, Pavard, Upamecano or Goretzka.
Strikers-wise, we now need two.
10.) 03 Jul 2022 10:06:18
Lewandowski?
11.) 03 Jul 2022 10:29:04
It's three questions.
Will they let him go? He's under contract after all.
Is there a suitable club that wants/ can afford him?
Who to replace him with? Obviously the club will have been eyeing up CR7's long-term replacement for next summer, it's a question of whether any of those might be available a season earlier.
12.) 03 Jul 2022 11:23:26
If he wants to go, then let him go, he looking after himself which he has the entitlement to do so, he feels that he has 2-3 years left to win something individually before retirement
The club doesn’t need another episode of Lingard and Pogba even though I think Ronaldo would conduct himself more professionally if he was forced to stay
Ronaldo made that decision so we have to let him move on for the betterment of him and the club. He will be highly regarded and loved by the fans but I don’t think he be getting the Paul Scholes, Gary Neville treatment.
13.) 03 Jul 2022 15:14:52
Downsie53
In terms of valuations of Osimhen and de Ligt from their respective clubs, United would need to offer closer to £60m + CR7 for either.
Ultimately, neither would be interested in sacrificing CL for what would ultimately represent a punt - never going to happen.
£30m + CR7 might work for Lewandowski, but he'd also likely have no intention of dropping to EL football.
United need to box clever.
No CL - bye-bye top table.
Winning nothing - bye-bye second table.
Still no clear direction and at the beginning of a rebuild - United are on that squeaky seat avoided by everyone else at the third table.
I'd rather we signed Ivan Toney than get a spent and/ or unproven striker from another league just to fill a gap and, let's be real, even he'd be unsure.
Ronaldo was a mistake. Yes, he's a proven scorer, but he's not the machine he once was. When United signed him, they could offer CL football - that's when they should have been in properly for the likes of Martinez, Osimhen, etc. Instead, the decisions were made by idiots.
United haven't missed the boat, they ignored the boarding time to focus on a vintage car - plenty of short-term flash, but lacking it's former pedigree.
United need to avoid making poor decisions and focus on what they have and what they can offer.
That said, they've spent all this time on FdJ who, according to reports, does not want to come.
He was reported as saying the same before the window opened.
Yet, United have ignored that reality because there's far too much arrogance at the club.
They should have focused on M-Savic, Kessie, Zakaria, Neves or Tielemans, but no, they want some marquee name - sheer stupidity.
United have learned nothing and will continue to achieve as much until they quit hiring idiots.
14.) 03 Jul 2022 15:17:17
Is anyone blaming Ronaldo? I think the majority of fans fully understand why he would want to move on. And, from what I could gather, he stated that it was "if a suitable offer" was made. No demands, just an indication of preference. He's acting like a gentleman.
15.) 03 Jul 2022 17:02:28
Let's be honest. If it's a player we like, we make all sorts of excuses for him wanting to leave, and it's everyone elses fault. If it's one we don't like, it's the player's fault.
16.) 03 Jul 2022 17:45:35
Easy, I’ll answer the OP on this one.
Because he’s obviously got his agent to tout him around, the club found out and issued the not for sale statement and he wants out without giving up a shed load of cash. That’s why.
If he wants to leave, he should put in a request.
17.) 03 Jul 2022 18:28:12
Makes me laugh all these quotes that Ronaldo loves the club etc etc!
No he doesn’t! He’d have 100% signed for City if Sir Alex hadn’t have stepped in. There’s only one thing Ronaldo loves and that’s himself. Otherwise he’d see his contract out and put the rebuild of United before his ego!
And if he thinks he’s walking into a prospective Champions league winning side he’s dreaming. Roma and Napoli been mentioned…. be lucky if either of ‘em get into the knock outs!
18.) 03 Jul 2022 22:28:59
Woggle, is FdJ a marquee signing? He’s won very little. Would he be a great signing normally? Maybe not. But he’s the ideal signing for this manager who had him in the heart of his team previously, who obviously wants to use the same blueprint here.
10 Nov 2021 19:24:31
I read this today. Apparently during one of Ole's 20 defeats at Old Trafford, the opposition dug-out were puzzled when he stayed in his seat as Manchester United conceded a goal, then amused when one of his staff entered the technical area to pass on wisdom and shouted 'Wakey wakey'.
We know Ole and team are not up to it, but seriously are the board going to allow this utter pantomime to continue.
1.) 10 Nov 2021 19:59:25
Blimey. Ed has there been any developments regarding a potential change in the club management / coaching?
Thank you.
{Ed002's Note - What do you have expected to change today.}
2.) 10 Nov 2021 20:37:26
I’m not sure to be honest. A wide range of opinions and views out there presently. Some outlets claiming Rogers will be the next permanent manager, some saying OGS will remain as manager until the Summer, others saying Ralf Rangnik is keen to take over asap.
Given it’s the international break, I did wonder if this might be a more suitable time to make a change (if the club were going to) .
I ask you as you seem to be the only person that actually provides useful and accurate info.
3.) 10 Nov 2021 22:17:02
Ed002 translation TOHOM - No change.
4.) 11 Nov 2021 07:23:31
I don't know if this is true or not, but I do find the timing of it being reported odd.
Nothing about which game it was, or when this happened. But if this wasn't the City game then whoever knew about this didn't publish it for weeks, maybe months. Why?
Now whether this is true or not it doesn't change the fact that Ole isn't good enough and needs replacing. However, if it is fabricated or if it has been sat on until now then you might want to question why a member of the press has done that.
5.) 11 Nov 2021 10:46:31
Would I be surprised if it were true? NO
Do I think it actually happened? Probably not.
Frankly it sounds like one of those stories/ jokes that get so widely spread they eventually are passed on as true. Much like so many transfer and football "news"
6.) 11 Nov 2021 12:58:00
But you have to wonder why they would wait any longer before making a change? This is the ideal time to do it that will have minimal impact on the squad etc.
I’d be amazed if we haven’t approached other clubs and/ or managers over the past two weeks, even if only to make enquiries.
Any accuracy in that Ed? (He asks with fingers crossed)
{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation - nothing has changed.}
7.) 11 Nov 2021 13:09:23
TOHoM, it's simple. The people the club would consider (EtH, Rodgers and Pochettino) aren't available. End of.
So the club's decision is carry on with Ole until one of them is available. Or try and find a short term solution.
The reality is very few people would be prepared to step in on short notice for a short amount of time without getting something else in return.
Rangnick would be interested if it lead to a DoF type role next summer. While managers like Blanc wouldn't consider it unless they had a decent chance of getting the job full time if they do well.
So you're left with options like Bruce or Allerdyce as the only people who might take on a short term role with no hope of a long term position.
The best we can hope for is PSG decide to axe Pochettino and replace him with Zidane sooner rather than later and the club moves for Pochettino. Other than that they will hold on as long as they can with Ole.
8.) 11 Nov 2021 13:16:41
Thanks Ed and Shappy for replies.
‘Available’ though is ambiguous given not one of those 3 is out of contract come the Summer so surely enquires will have to be made to explore whether any of them will be interested?
9.) 11 Nov 2021 13:52:43
Well at least talk of Potter has gone quiet.
10.) 11 Nov 2021 14:19:01
The Wakey Wakey story was reported in the main stream press in an Article about how Ronaldo was shocked at the situation he has found since coming back. It wasn’t tittle tattle from social media.
11.) 11 Nov 2021 14:37:52
Spenno,
Potter is a great tactician and we could do a lot worse.
12.) 11 Nov 2021 14:50:19
Red Man, I'm not saying it was. But your not a fool and know better than to believe everything in the main stream media.
The question is if this didn't happen recently then why only report it now?
13.) 11 Nov 2021 15:17:06
TOHoM, I think by "available" you can assume it means prepared to walk out of their current job mid-season to take over United.
These are people after all, many with young families and moving them, particularly children, half way through a school year is not ideal. People like EtH and Pochettino have families settled in different countries, which might not be suitable to leave their families there until the summer while they work in England.
While any manager currently in a job may actually want to finish the season at that club. Also ask yourself would you want a manager who shows such little integrity to just leave a project halfway through because a shiny now one is offered?
There are a few good managers out there who might work well for our club. But they for one reason or another don't appear to be available to join the club mid-season. So do we hire the wrong man now just to get rid of Ole? Is there any logic in replacing the wrong man with another wrong man?
Let's not pretend sacking managers is easy, or cheap.
Does it make more sense to continue with Ole now and get the right man next summer, rather than sack Ole now hire the wrong man. Still fail this season but be stuck with the wrong manager for next season as well. While the right manager might move elsewhere and become unavailable.
14.) 11 Nov 2021 16:56:21
Have you ever heard of confirmation bias Red Man? Just wondering.
15.) 12 Nov 2021 00:07:55
What makes sense shappy is rangnick until the end of the season then offering him a director role on the footballing side. Then plan as to who we bring in at the end of the season.
16.) 12 Nov 2021 07:00:25
RedWhiskey, I wouldn't be against that. However, the club already has a DoF and a Technical director in both Murtagh and Fletcher.
Will the club want to go down that route which means firing at least one of Murtagh or Fletcher down the line and probably restructuring parts of the club.
30 Aug 2021 19:01:06
Apparently Daniel James is going to Leeds for £30m. Marco Bielsa is having a medical in the morning.
1.) 30 Aug 2021 19:50:45
Think Bielsa needs a medical if he’s paying £30m for James lol.
Great business.
2.) 30 Aug 2021 20:17:22
What a deal :)
Hope we invest in a midfielder now.
{Ed014's Note - someone over there must have taken a shit ton of drugs!🤦â€â™‚ï¸
3.) 30 Aug 2021 23:32:01
He seems overawed at man utd, maybe a move to a small club will serve him well ðŸ˜.
4.) 31 Aug 2021 11:34:03
Quality Red Man, quality.
5.) 31 Aug 2021 11:35:58
Really wish we could swing this into a Phillips transfer.
24 May 2021 20:56:34
I have no idea to the veracity of this, but following Tielemans sole lap of honour, looking upset, there are apparently rumours about him joining us. Just passing on what I read.
1.) 24 May 2021 22:59:22
Tielemans…yes please ðŸ™.
2.) 25 May 2021 00:17:34
I'll believe it when I see photos of him holding up the shirt.
3.) 25 May 2021 03:37:29
I guess Levy is dealing Leicester transfers indirectly. Lolsss. You ask for their players, and they will demand a kidney in return from Manchester United. For ither teams, they are mostly reasonable.
4.) 25 May 2021 12:16:49
I really like Tielemans and think he is a terrific player.
Although I'm not sure where he fits into our side without us signing a true holding midfielder.
He's not too dissimilar to Pogba and Donny in that he can be a creative deeper midfielder who can break forward, but to do so you need that solid defensive midfielder who can protect the back four.
As we have seen McFred are capable when paired together, but individually they aren't up to mustard to do the job by themselves. To be fair both are reactive box to box type players whose natural instinct is to step up and engage to try and win the ball. That's fine as long as you have someone behind you to mop up if you don't win the ball.
What we need is a more savvy defensive midfielder who'll only try and win the ball when they have an excellent chance to do so, but knows how to slow down and jockey players into poorer positions and give the rest of their teammates time to recover their defensive positions.
So I'm not sure a player like Tielemans, as good as he is, solves our midfield imbalance.
Which with our track record of signings probably makes him a shoe in🤣🤦â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ¤·ðŸ»â€â™‚ï¸.
5.) 25 May 2021 12:45:59
Isn't he about to sign a contract making him Leicester's highest player. No harm during contract negotiations to remind his club he could go elsewhere.
6.) 25 May 2021 13:23:10
Tielemans can play deeper and offers more in a deeper role than fred.
7.) 30 May 2021 01:08:55
A Ronnie pick 5 or so years ago 😉.
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04 Aug 2022 07:05:35
It is rare I agree with Gary Neville, however his comment that our transfer dealings are an embarrassment and show the same old failings, run true. The season kicks off tomorrow and we have McFred in central midfield and Martial up front. ETH on a tight budget, why would that be? Dividends are the owners right remember.
I get the optimism of a new coach, I get it's a journey that is just beginning, yet why are the club going into the new season with so little new talent, most of which so far only has a Dutch connection. FDJ is becoming so similar to Fabregas. The club need to be more decisive, we need Ronaldo out no matter what the sponsors or bean counters worry about and a CM CF in quickly or Neville will be proved right.
1.) 04 Aug 2022 07:58:42
Dividends were something like 11m. What world class game changer are you expecting to buy with that?
2.) 04 Aug 2022 08:24:59
Antmany
You miss the point, it’s not the amount, although they could pay a player each season, the amount also builds up. The point is the business needs to be profitable so they can pay the dividends to the owners. If they have another loss then they may not be able to pay dividends, so what is the owners best interest? Just being simplistic. Buy the players needed and no dividends for a year or not buy them make a profit pay dividends?
3.) 04 Aug 2022 12:12:06
New players will not be linked to profit RedMan. Old players sold below their book value might, which may explain why we struggle to sell players who have no role in the first team.
4.) 04 Aug 2022 12:49:47
Hi Dodgy
Yes, it would to a point, but if I recall correctly and it has been a while since last discussed, the player is not in the accounts as an asset, only the contract which is amortised over the time of the contract.
Don’t want to get away from the point that the season starts tomorrow and we have still got McFred and Martial.
02 Jul 2022 13:26:33
For those hanging on every word for a signing, the new kit launch has been delayed to July 8th. Not that I am a cynic at all.
{Ed014's Note - Shappy and his nugget of a sidekick will be chuffed!
1.) 02 Jul 2022 16:00:22
Oh it’s been a while since the abuse Ed, things must be looking up. Nugget? ?
Looks like we will have some signings in place in the next few days doesn’t it, hopefully we get Martinez ahead of Arsenal.
2.) 02 Jul 2022 16:32:20
Gives us enough time to remove Ronaldo from all the marketing as he's asked to leave.
{Ed002's Note - You knew there was every chance.}
3.) 02 Jul 2022 17:07:25
Mixed feelings about him leaving:
Huge wages and stifled tactical flexibility
Vs
No other striker.
4.) 02 Jul 2022 17:14:36
He obviously knows that an offer is coming if he has indeed asked to leave. Rashford and Martial don't inspire any confidence. We may need to be in the market for a proper striker now.
Ed002, club still in for Calvert Lewin?
{Ed002's Note - He might be one of the options.}
5.) 02 Jul 2022 17:30:08
Osimhen? Scamacca? Calvert Lewin? Ekitike? The French lad from Leipzig? Plenty of forwards out there. Ronaldo will score goals but he is in decline and hasn’t the legs to press these days. It’s not the end of the world if he goes…. once he’s replaced properly. Maybe Kane could be tempted away from Spurs? But let’s not get too upset about a 38 year old possibly leaving the club.
6.) 02 Jul 2022 17:38:20
It might be a good thing if Ronaldo chose to endure another season at United, but if he goes at least it reduces the payroll for the year by £25m+ maybe freeing up space for another acquisition. And sometimes losing a dominant striker and replacing him with the right blend of other outfield players works wonders. SAF did it when he sold RVN and bought Carrick. More goals scored, more spread around, fewer conceded - and we won the title back from Chelsea. Sometimes the fans and the pundits are so stuck on the top line statistics that they fail to see the wood for the trees.
This year or next, it's going to happen. As great as he obviously is, and even at 38 - still retaining a goal scoring instinct and ability beyond any of our other players - we should not be delaying the rebuilding process to accommodate him. Yes, he was last year's star, but look how the season turned out.
7.) 02 Jul 2022 17:42:24
DDG1, I don't think many fans would be too upset if he left but it's the timing of it. We've holes all over the squad to plug without replacing our top goalscorer. We were already struggling to find someone as back up for him.
We don't have unlimited funds either so some of those you've mentioned will be unobtainable this summer. I don't think anyone has ever sit down with Napoli and walked away thinking they've got a good deal, they would rinse us Osimhen. DCL would cost a pretty penny too as Everton don't need to sell and honestly I would stay away from the overrated English players.
There are of course players that could come in but considering the other areas that need improving, this isn't great timing for him to decide to leave.
8.) 02 Jul 2022 17:46:02
one of my all time favourite United players- sorry to see him go but let's be positive its severing another tie to the old guard and there were stories of him stifling some of the other players . huge slary saved too.
He loved the club, and his desire to win is something the others should be aspiring to.
No hiding place for Rashford, Sancho Bruno when he goes -they have to step up. I don't mention Greenwood or Martial as both wouldn't feature again it it were up to me.
9.) 02 Jul 2022 17:17:31
I know that ed. You've told us he's been making moves to leave. It Just feeds into the chaos at the club that we don't need.
Malacia, Martinez, Dr Jong and Eriksen would be a solid window. I think if Ronaldo can find himself a new club then we may struggle to get a striker in at the calibre we need.
Do you know of any interest in Ronaldo ed? You've said Jose would be keen but leaving United for Roma seems like a step slightly down?
{Ed002's Note - Christiano Ronaldo (F) Another player not totally happy with his lot and it is unclear how to he will be received by the new coach. I understand that he would be open to offers and that JM is making enquiries. There is already one offer on the table from Roma and JM has been speaking with Sporting. Inter Miami may offer a wildcard solution. The new coach or not being in the Champions League may well provide a suitable excuse to depart without upsetting the fans. May stay the season and look to Inter Miami next summer.}
10.) 02 Jul 2022 17:21:01
Thanks Ed002. Would you be kind enough to provide a refresher on the strikers we have or may look at? Nunez obviously no longer an option now.
{Ed002's Note - Manchester United need to make a decision over Martial and Rashford the coach needs to look at what they have available in terms of emerging players like and decide if they can integrate any of the youngsters like Alejandro Garnacho and Joe Hugill. Players like Harry Kane, Lautaro Martinez and Victor Osimhen are facing interest from far more attractive clubs if they were to be made available and sold. So moving for players like that would require someone to sell the project and the players would have to accept that they would be dropping down a level for at least one year. Interest in players like Alexander Isak and Patrik Schick will go nowhere as they already have offers on the table and neither would likely be interested if they were to move. Dominic Calvert-Lewin - I doubt Everton will want him to leave and are soon to talk with Chelsea about adding a striker to replace Richarlison. Joao Felix will stay where he is. Evanilson was subject to an illegal approach by an English side before he left Fluminense. Manchester United have scouted another Porto player but I am not aware of any approach for Evanilson although I am aware of the suggestion of interest. Maybe Ronaldo could be forced to stay – regardless it is early days. The striker ten Hag wanted at Ajax is no longer available.}
11.) 02 Jul 2022 18:35:15
A deal for Antony was always going to be difficult with Ajax not wanting to sell and asking for a very high price.
I'd imagine if Ronaldo leaves then we will sign a striker rather than a wide player, maybe opening up a chance for someone like Amad, Pellistri or Garnacho to stake a claim.
Bachmann, Malacia, De Jong, and Martinez are expected to sign at some point if everything goes smoothly. Eriksen might also join if he chooses to leave London.
If Ronaldo leaves then I'd expect a striker to join.
12.) 02 Jul 2022 19:20:14
At this moment in time I don’t think any player is ‘expected’ to sign. Until I see the shirt in the players hand I don’t think any signing is a given with United.
It goes without saying that if Ronaldo goes we then ‘try’ and sign a central striker. It doesn’t take much brain to work that out.
For what it’s worth I don’t think Ronny going is a bad thing. Yeah he gets you a few goals, but we all know he ain’t the most mobile in the world and it’s widely acknowledged that ETH wants his players to put a shift in. Getting rid of his wages is a bonus and I also thinks it relieves a little bit of pressure on Bruno.
If he goes, my money is on Bayern as a Lewandoski replacement.
21 Jun 2022 07:01:31
Our CEO bemoans the lack of investment, whilst at the same time this Friday the Glazers will pocket (quite legally) another £11m in dividends. Over £1Bn has left the club including interest etc in their tenure
Why does anyone still defend these leaches?
1.) 21 Jun 2022 07:27:06
Red Man, do you have a pension?
If so then you are a leech who takes money out of businesses through dividends into your pension pot.
I'm not a fan of the Glazers, I feel they have mismanaged the club from day one. They are responsible for putting the wrong people in positions of power and then leaving them there while they fail at their job.
1bn has left the club in interest during their tenure.
1.4bn has also been spent on transfer fees in the last 10 years alone, around 1.8bn in total during their time.
A further 700m has left the club in agents fees.
A further 2bn in wages.
And around 400m in dividends.
So around 4.5bn in bringing in players and paying them.
1.4bn in interest and dividends.
I'd argue that if the 4.5bn had been spent well then no one would be that upset by the 1.4bn.
{Ed001's Note - that is a ridiculous comparison Shappy and shows you don't actually know what a pension is! You pay into a pension pot throughout your life and then draw on what you have paid in after retirement. It is not being a leech and that is a ridiculous thing to say. It is also nothing like the Glazers are doing by taking dividends out of a business. It is not even close to the same thing.}
2.) 21 Jun 2022 07:28:57
Wouldn’t surprise me if they announce a flurry of transfers at the end of the week to bury the news about dividends.
3.) 21 Jun 2022 07:34:03
Wow shappy, lost for words on that one.
4.) 21 Jun 2022 07:42:09
Red man he criticised the spending under a different man in the last 10 years whilst highlighting his role is to seek new investors. He knows we need to be better on the pitch for this to happen.
Give him a chance.
The glazers on the other hand…. horrible horrible folk. They don’t give a damn.
5.) 21 Jun 2022 08:09:37
Caolan, where do you think Richard Arnold has been for the past 10 years?
6.) 21 Jun 2022 08:10:05
Shappy that's is just plain ignorance.
Redman in terms of dividends they have taken out its small for a company of its size.
You know that.
Nobody defends the glazers to the best of my knowledge but you show absolutely no perspective and ignore the 1 billion of their own money that they have invested in the team.
Yes that 1 billion is their money they own the company.
Perspective new owners would have the club in more debt and take greater dividends perhaps.
You don't like the way they bought the club but they are not milking it dry and very far from it.
The debt to value ratio is not an issue at all. Many companies our size would be delighted with the books.
7.) 21 Jun 2022 08:34:05
Think the previous post may be onto something. Expect on fees agreed on Fdj maybe others on Friday. Trying to distract us from the parasites leeching the clubs money. Positive publicity to counter the negative.
8.) 21 Jun 2022 09:09:10
Tim have you ever owned your own business.
9.) 21 Jun 2022 09:12:43
Angel what was his role in the last 10 years? Woodward was running the show. Look at Van Gaal’s comments for a start.
Arnold will have seen the mistakes firsthand. He should have a clean slate before we start judging him as a failure as well.
10.) 21 Jun 2022 10:23:03
Caolan, Richard Arnold has been there for 15 years. He is a very close friend of Woodward since being at PWC and has been one of the glazers top deputies during their ownership of the club. There's a reason why he was chosen to succeed Woodward and not someone else.
11.) 21 Jun 2022 10:59:02
Maybe but you’re writing someone off before they perform the role. He has seen first hand the mistakes made by Woodward, and until I see Arnold doing a poor job I won’t be critical.
12.) 21 Jun 2022 11:07:54
Shappy I never agree with much of what you said but this is an all time low for even you. You just lost what little credibility you had. Such a disappointing response and one where you make your self look even more foolish than you normally do tututut.
13.) 21 Jun 2022 11:25:41
Hes really going to have to change it up to get any credit IMO. Pressure should be on him from the off.
He doesn't deserve it just because he's moved to a different role. He was a huge part of the problem before. Doesn't miraculously disappear now.
14.) 21 Jun 2022 11:41:59
Well said again Red Man.
15.) 21 Jun 2022 11:59:32
DIO Under normal circumstances you would expect an acknowledgement of the facts you point out and a retraction and apology for the post but it's just not in some people's make up. Its easier to pretend you know everything then stick your head in the sand.
16.) 21 Jun 2022 12:17:52
While I appreciate pensions aren't a perfect comparison, I still think they hold an element of truth in terms of perspective.
Yes you pay into your pension pot, however, that money is invested on the stock market to "grow" the size of your pension to enable it to sustain you once you retire.
Your pension pot isn't just the money you have paid in, but also your gains (or losses) from the way its invested.
Your money is invested and you gain returns in the form of dividends.
Red Man's idea that taking out a dividend or seeing a return on your investment as being a leech.
Which is frankly ridiculous. If there was no return on investment then no one would invest and the entire global financial system would come crashing down.
What the Glazers have done at United is the equivalent of purchasing a property on a buy to let mortgage.
They have borrowed money to purchase an asset that will grow in value through inflation, while also able to sustain itself and even give a wage to the purchaser.
No owner will come and buy the club with the aim of not making money for themselves.
Abramovic bought Chelsea for 300m, grew the club, made it self sustainable then sold for 2.5bn.
City and PSG if ever sold will make their owners a profit.
The difference with these clubs is they weren't massive global clubs with a huge history and tradition when they were bought. The owners had to grow those clubs, as will Newcastle's new owners.
It doesn't matter who the next owners of our club are, they might invest their own money or they might borrow to purchase the club. However, they will not be doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, they will want a return on that investment.
To think otherwise is naïve, while complaining that the current owners want a return on their investment is equally a silly point to be making.
17.) 21 Jun 2022 12:19:44
Angel - I completely agree mate. I’ve posted at length about this in the past but if people think Arnold and Murtough are the pioneers of change consider this - Despite some catastrophic results and performances they had absolutely no appetite to sack Ole. They sent everyone on holiday, buried their head in the sand, paralysed by fear and indecision until the decision was ultimately made for them. They then appointed RR as interim coach/ consultant. He said the squad needed “open heart surgery “ and upwards of 10 new players; Inevitably he’s no longer at the Club. Not the best start in my opinion and let’s not forget they have been at the Club in prominent positions for nearly 10 years already.
The Glazers will pocket their dividends on Friday and everything will carry on as normal. Only last year Kevin and Edward Glazer sold over £120m of B class shares. Not a penny of that money was invested back into the Club. Darcie Glazer used her shares as collateral to take out a loan. I could go on and on! This is how the Glazers run our Club. As the apologist will decree we’re a business at the end of the day but I say we’re much more than that.
18.) 21 Jun 2022 14:30:07
But what you say didn't matter dkib we are a business. That's a fact no more than a business.
19.) 21 Jun 2022 15:19:21
How can you blame Arnold for not sacking Ole. Woodward was still in charge, and according to some reports didn't want his last action to be sacking Ole!
Rangnick turned out to be disaster, but if he made some good suggestions behind the scenes they may end up having some joys from it.
This is the first new manager fully under their reign. Give it a chance.
20.) 21 Jun 2022 17:39:31
In all the time I've been reading posts on this site, I have never read such a ridiculous comparison. Shappy, if Red Man has contributed £100k into his pension, then he'll get a certain amount based on his contribution and the way it has been invested over the years.
The Glazers came in, took a club that had no debt andrun very well, and then immediately borrowed over £400m against the assets of the club. They basically mortgaged the club to the hilt.
Since then, they have taken over £1bn in Dividends, money the club doesn't have and can't afford, while the debt has risen to nearly £600m.
In any other business, and trust me as I've had a few, this is not a correct or ethical way of conducting themselves as directors.
Red Man is right, they are leaches.
21.) 21 Jun 2022 21:16:46
Ken
The Glazers have not put one cent of their own money in the club. The club is a legal entity in their own right and spent the money. The Glazers hocked the club into massive debt, ensured charges interests costs going out of the club exceeded £1.2Bn. They have been nothing but leaches.
08 May 2022 09:51:13
I believe this malaise is not going to be over until there is a real clear out of the owners and those running the shambles. RR has really shone the light on the problems. The point about not being able to bring in anyone in January, despite obvious need was very telling. Giving new contracts not on merit, why was Bruno given one before they even announced the manager. It smacks of accountants protecting what they see as value to the club, don't spend money when it doesn't suit, rather than making football decisions.
I remain to be convinced that ETH is the right choice in these circumstances. I hope I am wrong.
The club has lurched like a ship in a gale, the players coddled for 3 years where winning was only for egos. They are now paying the price of siding with the players. That's what gives games like yesterday.
Time for ownership change, time for a new direction which puts football success before finances.
1.) 08 May 2022 10:10:36
What has RR told us that only a blind man never knew.
2.) 08 May 2022 10:12:26
Red Man i think you are overestimating the influence of a common on a private ownership of a club. Unless the Glazers think its enough, they are not going anywhere soon. People protesting, creating nuisance, getting games postponed, walking out is just comedy to the world and frustrating for a fan like me who is watching from his living room. Its not a democracy where you have voting rights to topple a government. Its for the footballing people within the club to sort this mess out.
3.) 08 May 2022 10:32:37
The owners aren't going to change anytime soon, unless Ratcliffe fancies putting his £4.2billion to good use, but I don't think even that would be enough to shift the Glazer's.
The truth is the Glazer's know that success on the pitch makes the protests go away.
4.) 08 May 2022 12:04:35
Exactly Grim. No one cared when we were winning titles under SAF.
5.) 08 May 2022 12:43:40
United Addict
Totally incorrect, there are quite a few of us recognised what the leveraged buyout meant and were saying the same when SAF was in charge. The no value in the market stuff SAF came out with when the club were faced with players like Aguero was farcical. SAF protected them by winning for years. People like me were flagging what would happen when SAF retired, could see the ageing team, especially the CO92 and knew he couldn’t protect the owners anymore. Owners who have seen well over £1Bn leave the club that didn’t improve it.
In business, direction comes from the top, the Glazers will not make many decisions but they will set the direction. I have been on Board meetings when the owners turn up to see what the direction of the business is and ensure there is clear understanding. The CEO will know priorities from owners.
Porsche
RR told us what we could see with our own eyes, stuff that has been denied for years, when Ole told everyone that winning was for egos, cultural reboot nonsense. The appointment of a club legend who could not say a wrong word about anyone above, cost us 3 years falling into oblivion. If we had listened to Jose or had RR in years ago we wouldn’t be where we are, an emotional basket case. RR has said what he sees. It’s what consultants do in order to get things fixed. Don’t be blinded by results from a group of players who were coddled before and don’t want to try.
6.) 08 May 2022 18:59:01
Perfectly said Red Man.
7.) 08 May 2022 21:56:44
Red Man spot on. Many of us saw the problems brewing years ago and protested. Unfortunately, Fergie was a massive problem at the time as he was toeing the party line as he knew he had cocked up with his horse dealing with the Irish men and presenting the opportunity for the Glazers to buy or steal our club. Let's face it, fergie made a huge mistake and he could not criticise them or admit to his mistake.
And that has come to bite us on the .
24 Apr 2022 10:11:59
RR is apparently to provide a dossier to Murtough on the issues, it's going to be a large document.
Apparently RR has privately branded the dressing room as "selfish, over-inflated, lacking quality and too powerful". He has been staggered by the lack of professionalism amongst the first-team squad. RR also apparently said the players deliberately didn't play what patterns he had set for certain games. The players that did that should be booted out, no matter who it is.
What we are seeing is the result of a lack of discipline, of putting arms around, don't lose friends for three years style of management. Add to that the Lingard alleged leak on the dressing room and you have sight of probably the biggest rabble masquerading as a team of players at United that I can remember.
This does need major surgery, these players will all turn nicey nicey to ETH face for a few weeks or even months before the back stabbing starts again. I fear the club are too weak to boot them out, too afraid of the financial loss on players. This must stop now. Whenever I read what RR thoughts on the structure of the club, including the alleged comment above, they make sense. He has seen at first hand the issues. If the club don't carry out the major surgery needed ETH will not see 3 years, the rabble will stab him in the back. You can hate all you want but Mourinho flagged this years ago, but the club were weak, went for someone who wouldn't rock the boat, look at the mess that decision caused now. RR has exposed them, their egos, their attitude, use it. Do not leave the trouble makers in place, the financial cost may be lots but the price of not doing is far higher.
1.) 24 Apr 2022 10:43:58
Ive enjoyed RR time at the club- I see him as a headmaster called upon to stand in for the history teacher for a few months- not his forte but he can do a job until he goes back to his main role.
I have liked him because he's the first man in a while to say it as it is, basically these are a bunch of overpaid prima donnas not willing to fight, run or listen to the manager and the structure is poor - there's no "Rashy" "Giggsy" "The boys done good" nonsense in his conferences. If he were to be sacked or leave tomorrow he will still be seen amongst footballing men (Klopp. Pep, Nagelsmann) as a respected expereinced sensible Football elder with no hidden agenda or bias who has been to United and seen behind the scenes first hand what an absolute joke of a club it is and how much work needs to be done -he should be thanked for that at least.
2.) 24 Apr 2022 10:46:17
When Jose was saying this most people here thought he'd 'lost the dressing room'
3.) 24 Apr 2022 11:13:52
True Random red, difference is Jose is a very divisive figure once he opened his mouth half the media and a lot of fans were "here he goes moaning and bitching again, blah blah blah " RR doesn't have that baggage, h e isn't fighting to hold on to his managers job, he is in someways an outsider and I can imagine he's gone home somedays thinking what have i walked into here.
4.) 24 Apr 2022 11:32:41
EtH needs to be backed properly and not just in the way of being given a big transfer kitty.
Fortunately we have a plethora of players out of contract either this summer or next.
This summer will see Matic, Mata, Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Grant and possibly Chong all leave on free deals. So there's 7 gone.
Next summer currently we have Rashford, DDG, Shaw, Ronaldo, Fred, Dalot, Jones and Heaton all out of contract. Although several have an option for an additional year. So that's another 8 who could leave.
Which means without giving extensions we could shift 15 players by the start of the 2023/ 24 season just by letting contracts elapse.
We then have players like Andreas Pereira, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Williams and Telles who could all leave for nominal fees without too much trouble. They will easily enough find clubs willing to pick them up.
Henderson could be easily sold for a decent fee, there would be plenty of interest.
The players we might have trouble shifting are Maguire, AWB and Martial. Three players who clearly don't have a future in the first 11 if we are to get back to winning ways. Yet all of them cost significant fees and are on high wages. These three will require the club to "take a hit" to move them on. Selling at a much lower fee than they paid and/ or subsidising wages in order to find clubs willing to take them on.
However, in truth if the club is willing to take the hit on those three they could easily shift as many as 24 players over the next two windows by selling for nominal fees and just allowing contracts to elapse if need be.
The issue is that if you allow as many as 24 to leave then the club will require significant investment to replace those players.
This revolution is actually very doable if there is a willingness to make it happen.
Over the next two years we will see if the club is serious about changing and moving forward, or whether they are just paying lipservice to the fans and in reality it is business as usual.
5.) 24 Apr 2022 13:14:35
With a handful of 'free' transfers (and there are easily a handful available that would improve the Utd team), shrewd signings of lesser-known players (let's go for the next Vidic as opposed to an overpriced household name) instead of marquee signings and 2-3 youth promotions I think we can plug the gaps. Any shortfalls I hope could be filled by a natural desire to impress the new manager and be part of something special. Carragher suggested ten Hag could come in and make 2-3 huge signings and everything would be hunky-dory which in my view is the opposite of what we need. There's no point in buying Kane, Rice et al like they're going to round things off and help us win something. I think we need to remove any expectation to challenge for anything major next season and just hope for the effort and mentality to return, if it's enjoyable all the better. Optimistic.
6.) 24 Apr 2022 14:12:53
Shappy matic is not out of contract.
7.) 24 Apr 2022 15:09:06
Glad to here RR has had an agenda. But for me. I would have liked him to have taken more of a stand against this. Pick out the worst offenders and send them to train separately. Promote youth players to fill holes and back them, even if they are not quite ready and make mistakes.
Continuing to play the trouble makers and then writing a dossier is weak management. Ask yourself would Pep, Klopp, Conte, SAF has done the same thing? It is pathetic passive aggressive management and he should have done more. No one would have blamed him if he dropped the whole squad and brought them back in slowly.
8.) 24 Apr 2022 15:20:02
Ken you are right he is not. However, my understanding is that he will be allowed to leave for free/ nominal fee (2m at most) . And he will be leaving this summer.
9.) 24 Apr 2022 15:24:28
Spenno, I agree we don't need the cherry on top, we need a bloody foundation. Too many players have proven themselves to not be good enough either technically or mentally.
Klopp and Pep in 2 summer windows moved on around 15-20 of the previous squad and replaced them with a combination of signings and academy players. That's how they got to where they are now.
I think our club will need to do something similar, I think we could do it slightly quicker than Liverpool due to our financial power, but not as quickly as City as they had expert's in every area of the club and we are lagging behind in that regard. Which means we will almost certainly either sign a couple of players who don't work out, or be unable to bring in our first choice options so will have to make more compromises along the way.
10.) 24 Apr 2022 15:31:24
Dodgy, it's a difficult line to tread. Unless he has been told who the next manager wants to keep, whether the club is prepared to bomb out 15 plus players etc then it becomes difficult to throw his weight around with any authority.
Sometimes more can be leaned by observing over a period of time than making snap judgements and seeing who reacts and how.
Maybe some players are followers and tag along with the troublemakers. But in the right set up, with the right people around them they could be good, hard working, productive members of the squad.
Maybe there are players Rangnick would bomb out who the next manager might want.
It's a no win situation he was walking into and not a situation where he would have the full autonomy to do as he would like as he is really just a place holder until the next manager comes. The best he could do was observe, gain understanding and perspective to enable him to best serve as a consultant to the next manager.
Oh to be a fly on the wall during those first few EtH/ Rangnick meetings.
11.) 24 Apr 2022 15:35:54
Without ucl we are already excluded from bring the top level players in. Not sure Kane is right for us now, but do you think he would leave spurs for us now? Especially is they get UCL?
Rice would also wonder are we really a step up. Choice between Chelsea and us looks huge right now.
12.) 24 Apr 2022 18:07:18
Shappy
I don't agree, he had free hand to make a stronger stand.
If he just dropped a few but without publically shaming. Maybe just a tag line of some players weren't mentally ready to be part of the matchday squad. He wanted to select players who showed him the right attitude through the week.
I'm convinced that it would not have developed into this mess.
For him to say that the players are purposely not playing his training patterns. That says he should have been dropping players and playing those who who do play those patterns.
But he keeps selecting the same players. Or dropping some to the ben h, but then brings them on as subs only for them to wander around making zero impact.
Regardless, I'm done with this season, can't wait for ETH to come in. I want him to be given full say over everything to do with the first team squad. A final say in recruitment. Back the guy, give him time and let's blow this team up and start again. Just hope some of the next gen of stars see the opportunity of coming to a sleeping giant and build a world class squad over a couple of years. Loving some of the names ED002 has shared over on rumours page. Nice to see a move away from the over priced over hyped names we are constantly connected to.
13.) 24 Apr 2022 18:10:27
Dodgy, I think Kane is a pipe dream, Spurs will more than likely be in the UCL next season. Also I agree I have concerns over his longevity and cost. Personally I think we are three years away from a proper title challenge realistically. Kane would be 31/ 32 before we can seriously mount a title charge, with his injury record I doubt he'd be fit for much of that season.
In my opinion we need younger hungrier players who'll be hitting their peak in 2-4 season's time.
Rice fits the profile well to be honest. Yet his cost would be prohibitive if we are looking to sign multiple players. Also we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that West Ham could win the Europa League and qualify for the UCL as England's fifth team via that route. You'd expect them to beat Frankfurt in the Semi-final (although anything can happen in knock out football) with one of Rangers or RB Leipzig in the final.
If West Ham are in the UCL next season then I don't see Rice leaving them this summer.
I think we should be looking at cheaper more savvy options. I could see someone like Ruben Neves or Palhinha fitting into EtH's system very well. Or perhaps a move for Edson Alvarez who knows the system intimately.
Timber looks a good bet at CB/ RB cover. Although I wonder if EtH would want a left footed CB as his system sees the CB's play slightly wider covering the wide areas as well. Which suits a left footed player at LCB who is quick and mobile. We have been linked recently with Pau Torres again, although personally I have a few concerns about whether he could handle the physicality of the EPL. Looks a little like a left footed Lindelof to me, although weaker in the air and slightly quicker. Schlotterbeck is a player loved by the hipsters, looks decent from the little I've seen of him. Quick, mobile, great passer and strong in the air. It's just whether he can step it up to the top end of the EPL.
We need a striker and possibly a wide player. Although for me the most important aspect of this window is to get the players out with poor attitudes and weak mentalities. Then build a solid defence and midfield base.
14.) 24 Apr 2022 18:54:16
I would pay the money for Rice as he is top drawer. Outside of his ability and drive in the pitch, he makes everyone around him better. He significantly improves each season they are good signs of his character and influence. He was rejected by Chelsea and regrouped and got better. He has character in bundles.
I would tell him he is the Captain and the tone setter in that dressing room and the leader, the key and fundamental piece in the next ECL and EPL winning Man Utd side.
I think he is that good and am just seriously impressed by him every time he plays.
He can be the next Robbo or Keane influence wise and solves a problem for a decade.
You don't need 11 superstars but the ones you do have to be of the right character that's why I pay him whatever it takes.
I understand why some people don't want to spend on one guy, we do have a lot of holes, but for me he is the one guy I think will give a return on this.
{Ed002's Note - What money would that be? West Ham are not looking to sell Rice.}
15.) 24 Apr 2022 19:03:59
I read that Erikson might be of interest. I would love to see that, I remember Utd being linked when he was an Ajax player. I assume he'd be a free transfer but am not sure of the ins and outs. We'd suddenly have a player who can orchestrate the game and put the ball on a sixpence for fun.
Timber. not sure. I watched one of those awful Youtube compilations with the rave soundtracks (turned that off right away) and he seems to fly in and go to ground an awful lot. He'd be a walking penalty shout in the PL. Yet we definitely need someone commanding and mobile in the middle of the defence. It's embarrassing that other than Varane, who has been an improvement if not an revelation, all previous defensive signings in the post-SAF era have been woeful.
16.) 24 Apr 2022 19:17:17
I read a lot of reports linking Timber, I actually think his partner Martinez is the better player (granted he is 4 to 5 years older)
17.) 24 Apr 2022 19:53:51
We signed Pogba, Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, etc without CL.
The important thing from now should be to sign the players who suit the team's identity rather than a commercial opportunity.
18.) 24 Apr 2022 20:45:25
How did they work out TRD ?.
19.) 25 Apr 2022 06:25:01
Irrespective of securing CL,
Recruitment for a decade except a very few have been disaster.
One of the prime reason for our mighty fall.
17 Jul 2022 18:36:44
Thank you Ed002.
01 Jun 2022 12:18:58
Ken
Who is the Captain Hindsight comment addressing? Btw promotion means he is now Major Hypocrite.
01 Jun 2022 10:00:47
I side with Ken to a point on this. There will be an attraction for the new known successful manager and a project to take the club back to the top. A player will also see the profile of being No9 at United as very good for the career. We are still a big name just badly run. ETH has a pull for his work at Ajax but isn’t a Pep or Klopp so we should not be over confident of attracting players however, as Ken said ETH is infinitely better than the numpty who was given three years. I expect a better organised smarter quicker team next season.
In terms of who we get let’s see but I hope we don’t get drawn in to possibles who use us to boost their own contract negotiations. I also hope we target the right type of players and not for media clicks in the Far East. There should be positivity as long as the club sign first choice not fourth.
22 May 2022 10:14:17
Mata has sadly been a good clubman rather than a great first team player. I get the impression he would get clubman prize every season. That’s not to decry his talent, but the idiots bought him at a time when we needed something else and the team wasn’t set up for how he played. Another example of muddled club thinking. However, he comes over as bright and highly intelligent, if he can get his message over then he would be very good to have as a coach. I suspect he may still want to play though.
28 Mar 2022 17:50:21
A new contract for either Shaw or Rashford is madness. Neither has been earned and foists their attitude on to us and a new manager for years to come. If either are there next season they are lucky.
07 Aug 2022 09:39:08
Gill, debt is the road to ruin accountant, who then worked for our beloved owners. I suspect we will be hearing there is no value in the market comment fairly soon because that was trotted out to protect them not buying the big players when SAF was in place.
07 Aug 2022 08:23:25
DLIB
Spot on and what I have taken stick for saying. My biggest worry is who is going to score the goals. We have some semblance of midfield, might even play the defender from Ajax in CM yet to win games you have to score. We need two strikers in my eyes, remember SAF had four. Shambolic on the transfer front. I would hope Garnacho takes a winger spot. It really worries me when it was rumoured ETH wanted Zyech from Chelsea.
06 Aug 2022 11:09:38
I think we will win but also don’t think this is the type of game that will define our season. Are things bad given Nothing Changes comment? No they are not. However if the club have ambition of making top 4 they need Ronaldo gone, a CM and goal scorer in CF. If the rumours that the Glazers want to keep Ron are true it’s for marketing and sponsors only.
I know I will get the usual comments but the club need to be aiming higher. We have heard the build will take years every time a new manager arrives. Yes he will be given time and so he should but his ambition must burn through to getting players in. So far it seems only those he trusts via direct connection are coming in, like he wants to have those he trusts around him having seen the bunch of backstabbing players last season.
I like Erikson he must play and I want to see Garnacho get time, even start. Brighton can be awkward and whilst we lack firepower up front and through midfield, an early season home game with the crowd behind ETH should see us win, possibly 3.1 . It shouldn’t hide what is needed in the transfer window in the coming weeks if we want top four.
04 Aug 2022 12:49:47
Hi Dodgy
Yes, it would to a point, but if I recall correctly and it has been a while since last discussed, the player is not in the accounts as an asset, only the contract which is amortised over the time of the contract.
Don’t want to get away from the point that the season starts tomorrow and we have still got McFred and Martial.
04 Aug 2022 10:51:58
UwLuv
They finished 4th and one player, Bissouma the type of midfield player we cried out for and only circa £25m wasn’t it. Smart business that.