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30 Aug 2021 19:01:06
Apparently Daniel James is going to Leeds for £30m. Marco Bielsa is having a medical in the morning.

Red Man

1.) 30 Aug 2021 19:50:45
Think Bielsa needs a medical if he’s paying £30m for James lol.

Great business.

2.) 30 Aug 2021 20:17:22
What a deal :)
Hope we invest in a midfielder now.

{Ed014's Note - someone over there must have taken a shit ton of drugs!🤦‍♂️

3.) 30 Aug 2021 23:32:01
He seems overawed at man utd, maybe a move to a small club will serve him well 😏.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 11:34:03
Quality Red Man, quality.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 11:35:58
Really wish we could swing this into a Phillips transfer.



24 May 2021 20:56:34
I have no idea to the veracity of this, but following Tielemans sole lap of honour, looking upset, there are apparently rumours about him joining us. Just passing on what I read.

Red Man

1.) 24 May 2021 22:59:22
Tielemans…yes please 🙏.

2.) 25 May 2021 00:17:34
I'll believe it when I see photos of him holding up the shirt.

3.) 25 May 2021 03:37:29
I guess Levy is dealing Leicester transfers indirectly. Lolsss. You ask for their players, and they will demand a kidney in return from Manchester United. For ither teams, they are mostly reasonable.

4.) 25 May 2021 12:16:49
I really like Tielemans and think he is a terrific player.

Although I'm not sure where he fits into our side without us signing a true holding midfielder.

He's not too dissimilar to Pogba and Donny in that he can be a creative deeper midfielder who can break forward, but to do so you need that solid defensive midfielder who can protect the back four.

As we have seen McFred are capable when paired together, but individually they aren't up to mustard to do the job by themselves. To be fair both are reactive box to box type players whose natural instinct is to step up and engage to try and win the ball. That's fine as long as you have someone behind you to mop up if you don't win the ball.

What we need is a more savvy defensive midfielder who'll only try and win the ball when they have an excellent chance to do so, but knows how to slow down and jockey players into poorer positions and give the rest of their teammates time to recover their defensive positions.

So I'm not sure a player like Tielemans, as good as he is, solves our midfield imbalance.

Which with our track record of signings probably makes him a shoe in🤣🤦‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️.

5.) 25 May 2021 12:45:59
Isn't he about to sign a contract making him Leicester's highest player. No harm during contract negotiations to remind his club he could go elsewhere.

6.) 25 May 2021 13:23:10
Tielemans can play deeper and offers more in a deeper role than fred.

7.) 30 May 2021 01:08:55
A Ronnie pick 5 or so years ago 😉.



03 Jan 2021 10:51:49
Hi Ed002

Appreciate your advice. Below you mentioned we agreed to complete the transfer of Amad Traore by December 31 to allow him to move in January subject to a Work Permit. Ole says he is looking forward to his arrival, yet there are stories in the press that Atalanta want to keep him, even want to just loan him to us for the rest of the season. Is this just noise or is there a change of position?

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - I suspect there is a misunderstanding. Atalanta don't want to loan the player to MU they want to take him back on loan.}

1.) 03 Jan 2021 11:23:46
Thanks Ed002

I would have thought going to all the trouble we have with the work permit/ passport that United would not want to do that.

2.) 03 Jan 2021 12:16:17
Red Man, not sure where you heard about a loan move to us. The deal was all agreed some time ago with only the paperwork left to be dealt with. He's our player now by the look of things but Atlanta want him to stay longer and want him loaned back for the rest of the season.

I am sure he is heading straight into the U23's to assess him further and get him used to the physicality of our league. Probably a loan move to a premier league side down the line for him and Pellistri would suit them both and help them progress their careers.

3.) 03 Jan 2021 13:05:31
Hi Letsplay

The BBC gossip page indicated that Atalanta are keen on loaning Diallo to Manchester United for the rest of the season, it looks like a typo. There have been other reports saying Atalanta wanted to keep him, but as Ed said they want to loan him from us.

Looks like the sale is going through. Personally I think he should come to us and acclimatise, start to work with better players, be ready for next season or if he makes an impact even appearances this season.

4.) 03 Jan 2021 13:27:55
Hi Red Man,

Probably the media outlets doing their typical mixed reports to keep things interesting especially when it is United news.

It is too early yet and we can all assume what's best for him but it's up to the coaching staff and Ole to find the best route for the player. Hopefully Diallo fulfills his potential at United as he does look a very exciting prospect.

5.) 03 Jan 2021 13:40:03
Red man I think it was an error as gasperini had said that Atalanta hoped to loan him back to the end of the season.

6.) 03 Jan 2021 13:45:51
Red Man. I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that our U23 side are ‘better players’ than Atlanta’s first team, no?

7.) 03 Jan 2021 14:07:25
Did redman suggest that? I don't think he did.

8.) 03 Jan 2021 15:09:46
I don't quite understand why Atalanta wants him on a loan, he barely played there. Ed, do you know something?

{Ed002's Note - They don't want their squad weakened and his replacement is not available before the summer.}

9.) 03 Jan 2021 17:07:06
The reports are now saying United want him this month and don’t want to loan him back.

10.) 04 Jan 2021 00:57:51
Surprised Atlanta want him on loan. Is there a reason why they’ve hardly played him? Is it because the transfer was agreed and they didn’t want to risk the deal? Or simply that he’s not at the level?

Also, why is the WP taking so long to complete. should this not have been done earlier so he could arrive at OT on the 1st? Are you only allowed to apply for WPs in a transfer window? I always get the impression we fall asleep in between transfer windows.

{Ed002's Note - I have explained all of this - try searching.}



15 Dec 2020 06:30:05
Reports this morning that Henderson is not happy and was left vexed by Solskjaer breaking promises to start him in certain home games. Add this to how DvB has been treated and a pattern emerges.

Red Man

1.) 15 Dec 2020 10:08:17
No sh1t that Sherlock isn't surprised to read this.

2.) 15 Dec 2020 11:05:12
I think Ole now only really trusts a few players, and as such they are undroppable. DDG, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, Fred, Bruno and Rashford are all nailed on to start if fit.

All managers have their favourites, maybe this is part of the reason someone new coming in with fresh eyes might be a good idea.

3.) 15 Dec 2020 11:36:33
The problem is DDG has made and continues to make mistakes. Henderson deserves a run in the team.

I'd imagine a few players will be thinking about what they have to do to get game time, when players keep DDG make mistakes and are continually picked. His mistakes have been be going on for awhile now. It's partly done to the coaching staff getting him to play out with his feet. It is still clear to see that he isn't comfortable doing that.

The zonal marking for set pieces is atrocious. Maguire makes basic mistakes.

I'd like tk see Bailly and Tuanzebe in defence. Then play higher up pitch and dip the two holding midfielders.

4.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:07
Some of Ole's decisions this season have been questionable.
No matter how many mistakes Maguire and Lindelof make, Tuanzebe is still not getting enough games to cement his place.

He even bigged up Mengi saying he is similar to De Ligt as he can get into our side at a young age. But again, he is not getting chances.

VDB has to play over McT and Pogba. Reasons are obvious.

Ole also stressed on having 5 subs in EPL, yet he used only 1 sub against City in the derby.

5.) 15 Dec 2020 11:41:33
i can understand Henderson's frustration especially as for this back 4 / 5 he is a better fit given how much more vocal and brave he is.

We are gettignto a point where we have more quality options in the squad than we did over the last 5 years. it is easier to manage good players not playing when there is trust in the manager and the team is doing well. Ole needs to up his management game.

6.) 15 Dec 2020 12:07:49
Agree with TRD that Ole is making some questionable decisions on a regular basis.
Henderson coming back to us in a pre Euros year didn't make any sense to me unless he was given assurances around game time which clearly are promises not being kept. Not as though De Gea is producing the world class quality we know he has on any level of consistency. I admire Henderson for coming back and having the confidence to stake his claim for the No.1 spot - but it is being ignored.
Henderson MUST start in all cup games for me regardless whether that's against Tinpot FC or Milan in the Europa League Final.

Van de Beek is a very strange one too. Clearly the lad has bags of talent and we look more of a threat going forward when he plays. How he is not making appearances at least in front of Pogba is a mystery.

Ole's reliance on Fred and McTominay for me says more about his not trusting his defence hence more creative players like VDB are not getting as much of a look-in.

Even then though if we can play Mata at RW on occasion surely VDB can fill that berth too.

We have a mix of defence and attack minded midfielders now but other than Fernandes there is nobody who stands out as a must pick.

We are 3 players short for me, 4 if you include Henderson playing more than De Gea.

The Maguire-Lindelof partnership simply let's too many goals in. A new CB has to be our main priority as strengthening the back will allow us more creative players in midfield. There is no rule that says we can only have Bruno as the creative influence!

Ideally we would swap out Pogba for a completely different player in Saul but one who could offer so much more balance to the team overall. Giving a better platform for both defence and attack.

And finally as much as we harp on about our lack of a RW it is a 25 goal a season centre forward we are crying out to replace the woefully inconsistent Martial with. Appreciate Greenwood will fulfil that role in time but we need our new No.9 now.

We do have some good players at the club and in what is a very open year league wise it would not take too much to get this team into a title challenging position. Ole has to be much braver than he is to do that. Any big name can be sacrificed if they are not performing whether its De Gea, Maguire, Fernandes etc. Ole lacks the balls to do that though I fear.

7.) 15 Dec 2020 13:53:27
On the plus side I'm glad we have players who aren't happy to be out of the side. I would have to question a players mentality and ambition if they are happy to be on our bench and not in the team.

Shows we have a few more players with the right attitude now. While Romero might be a great keeper, does he have the right mentality to be a keeper at a club that should be aiming to win the top honours? He's spent 5 years on the bench and been happy to pick up a cheque and not play during his peak years. Only kicking up recently when the club refuse to sell him after bumping him down to third choice.

While DDG has still made a few mistakes this season, he has on the whole improved on his form from last season. Is that due to Henderson breathing down his neck?

We need competition for places all over the pitch, players on the bench in every position who is arguably good enough to start. They shouldn't be happy to be on the bench, they will need to accept it and work on their game to improve themselves and push for a starting spot.

How much of our decline on the pitch can be put down to a lack of competition for places?

8.) 15 Dec 2020 16:06:11
Very unlike Shappy to kick a player when he 8s down. Romero now. Did he contact you that he is happy like that or do you want a player coming out in the press and creating a storm?

9.) 15 Dec 2020 17:43:33
Mad Hatter. Premier league footballer having to use his feet! Imagine that? The fact that de gea cannot play football, doesn't command his area and doesn't marshall his defense means to me that he isn't a very good goal keeper.

Reaction saves are not enough at the top level. It looks like you are saving your team points whereas a more rounded keeper wouldn't need to make the save in the first place because they would have prevented the danger before it got to that.

10.) 15 Dec 2020 19:00:59

It was never an issue for DDG until OGS took over. The zonal marking for set pieces doesn't help either.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses. When OGS took over DDG was world class. Not he looks bang average. The whole tactical set up isn't working. Players are actually regressing.

11.) 15 Dec 2020 19:34:53
Hatter, I disagree DDG started declining under Jose. The issue I think with DDG is that over the past 8 years there hasn't been another keeper who came close to DDG's shot-stopping ability. He was just hands down the best. However, those world class saves (often a 2 or 3 per game) masked the other weaker areas of his game.

At no point in his career has he commanded his area well, he doesn't communicate much with his defenders, his coming out for crosses has always been poor (a bit of a flapper), while his distribution has never been more than average.

The difference now is that his reactions have started to slow slightly, as such he makes less world class saves and the other weaker areas of his game are becoming more apparent.

We have seen this before, look at Iker Casillias, considered a world class keeper until his form went off a cliff in his early 30's. Almost entirely down to his reactions slowing and a big dip in his shot stopping ability.

12.) 15 Dec 2020 20:39:29
I've posted before I know him and his the family and in regards to henderson the above is rubbish .

13.) 15 Dec 2020 20:42:35

I know DDG isn't the keeper he is once was. Romero should have been given a chance last season to be the clubs number 1.

The main issue is that OGS continues to pick under achieving players. My main concern is that I can ee players like Henderson and VDB leaving before Jones and Rojo do.

I'm fed up of how poor Maguire is.

14.) 15 Dec 2020 21:08:31
He didn't reclined with Zose. With Zose at 17-18 he had of his most successful years with us conceding 17 goals less than we should consede as per expected goals against. Then he went with his national team for the tournament, made mistakes and his confidence was low. Then it was Zoses third season syndrome and we had a toxic atmosphere and we conceded goals with all ways, none was marking decent and the fact that he conceded a lot of goals don't help the confidence. Then Ole asked him to play the ball from the back and things got worst.

15.) 16 Dec 2020 00:29:43
every body else herrera but ole. he thinks fred and mctom are going to take us to the promised land.

16.) 16 Dec 2020 04:33:33
DDG has improved this year due to Henderson. Ddg is still an excellent keeper. Henderson is the future. Sure Henderson will get game time and he needs to keep showing the mentality to play at a big club. He will be alright, don't worry about that.

17.) 16 Dec 2020 12:14:26
Shan, have a look who Romero's agent is, if he wasn't happy his agent would have got him a move.

18.) 16 Dec 2020 14:21:28
Like pogbas agent did? Romero is unhappy moves were blocked this summer. He was treated poorly.
He will move asap but buying clubs need to match our valuation and his massive money. Not many clubs that are interested in him can afford him. That's the situation.
Henderson will be our no 1 soon enough imo. Ddg is still a very good keeper. He is on the best contract of any keeper anywhere in the world. Ole convinced him to stay he has the man he wants. Henderson can wait or force a move its up top him. Henderson imo will be a top keeper but he has achieved very little to date i'm his career. I've not heard him moaning and if he is unhappy he is right to keep it in house and take it up with ole privately.
He seems a veey level headed but ambitious lad he has the world at his feet. United are his club but he may well have to move to play under s different manager. I hope not.



03 Sep 2020 21:19:17
I read a rumour that United are not going to be held to ransom over Sancho, they will wait a year. The worrying part of the rumour was they were willing to bring in someone on loan for a year whilst the situation is resolved, this may be a message to Dortmund of course. The rumour as to who they are looking for the years loan, is Bale, hence why he was even quoted as appealing to be given a chance to leave. Personally I think that chance should have gone but it's a rumour.

Red Man

1.) 03 Sep 2020 21:42:10
I'm not a fan of Bale, he is clearly a very talented player. Yet his apparent attitude over the past few years has been awful. Refusing to take the medical advice of his club, his childish antics on the sideline, while his refusal to attempt to learn Spanish doesn't sit well. Plus when you factor in his age, his injury record and his wage demands it has Alexis Sanchez written all over it.

Yet, a loan deal might not be the worst idea. With Sancho seemingly unavailable, and with Greenwood pushing to start maybe bringing in a player who isn't a long term option might offer the club some experience in a key position, without blocking Greenwood.

It doesn't have to be Bale, there could be other options. Dembele at Barcelona for example. Both players who considering their cost and their injuries a permanent deal looks like a bad idea. Yet a loan could be worth exploring.

2.) 03 Sep 2020 21:53:47
Theres an update on dortmunds transfer plans on the european pages, situation remains the same as it has been.

No serious buyers for sancho at the moment, united won't pay the huge sums needed to sign him.

Time to move on alternatives i think, but i'm not sure there are any alternatives that really fit the bill as first team starters, might have to resort to cover for greenwood.

I wouldn't go in for bale, madrid created a problem for themselves by giving him a huge contract a few years ago and not letting him go to china last summer. I don't think its in uniteds interest to solve madrid or barcelonas issues.

3.) 03 Sep 2020 22:05:57

I suggested Barcelona’s Dembele a few weeks ago. I would be concerned at Douglas Costa. There are rumours that Ole wants this Dayot chap but the transfer committee thinks he is too young. We shall see but deals need to be done.

4.) 03 Sep 2020 22:34:36
I’d love to see Bale for a season. But he isn’t really a suitable Sancho replacement, being LW. So Dembele seems a credible alternative if indeed the club are looking for a credible stopgap. The total Sancho cost at present is pure greed. They’ll be keener to deal as the prospect of him leaving for free draws a season closer. It’s a shame that all of that side has become to frequent these days. Don’t remember much player power in the heyday of Olsen and Strachan tearing down the flanks.

{Ed0666's Note - did strachan ever tear down a flank?

5.) 03 Sep 2020 22:41:46
Im torn on bale. He falls into the category of players i wish had signed for United. But that was some time ago. The ability is there still i don't doubt that but i doubt his drive and commitment to be as good as he can be.
I still think we will sign sancho but i could be wrong. The deal is there to be done and with the sums involved there will be compromises made by all parties imo.

6.) 03 Sep 2020 22:51:31
Dembele or Coman are good options.

Bale on a season loan is not the worst idea I’ve ever heard though until the Sancho desk can be done next year.

7.) 03 Sep 2020 22:52:06
I totally agree with Shappy. Bale seems to be the perfect case now . He allows us to spend more money at other positions and his injury record means that he will rotate with Mason at right wing. And if, and its a big if, he finds his form he will be one of the best in the league. If we can't find a solution with Sancho then Bale on a year loan its a very good option.

{Ed0666's Note - bale is a left winger no?

8.) 04 Sep 2020 00:47:50
I don't think ed666. He is effective at right cutting in and shot. He was a left wing back and left back at Spurs, maybe he can still play there but he isn't left winger. At Real Ronaldo was playing at the left and Bale at the right, although i think he is best suited at a free role behind the striker . I have seen him play there with his national team previous years and he was fantastic, a special player. If he comes i think he will start from right but he will be more centrally most of time.

{Ed0666's Note - okey dokey smoky.

9.) 04 Sep 2020 04:52:09
I wouldn't say Bale is the perfect case, just not an awful option on loan with the caveat that a chunk of his wages are performance related to make sure he is doing his best to be on the pitch.

There are dozens of players I would pick for our RW spot ahead of Bale.

I don't think we need to go for a big name player, I think in an ideal world Sancho would be an excellent signing based on age, ability, skillset with the bonus of being a homegrown player. Yet the reality is there is a huge cost attached to Sancho which might not be able to be surpassed to get the deal over the line. If the club feels that there is a genuine chance of getting the deal done next summer then a short term solution might be the best idea.

Invest in other areas this summer, bring in a loan option for RW. Then go all in for Sancho next summer when hopefully the club doesn't need to bring in quite so many players, and when the Sancho deal might be a little cheaper and more affordable. When all the uncertainty over C.V. has been cleared.

Personally I think depending on how Ole wants to play other RW options should be sought this summer. When I look at our squad, I think a more traditional RW might be a good idea, someone who can hug the touchline and stretch play. AWB is first choice RB, but isn't the most adventurous. I think having a LW like Rashford who will tuck in we could play a LB the bombs forward on the overlap and have a asymmetrical attack with the RB staying deeper and attacking width coming from the RW on the right.

If the club wanted to do that then the ideal candidate would be Adama Traore, although he would cost upward of 70m, maybe a better alternative could be Ismailia Sarr who could be available for half that amount and is maybe a year or so behind in his development compared to Traore, but has just as high a ceiling.

It all depends on what the club is looking for from a RW and whether the club feels that next summer is the best time to get Sancho if he is considered that highly by the club. Ultimately what we really need is a top class Sporting director who can make these calls and create an overarching vision for the club over a medium to long term.

10.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:15
We need a right winger, why are we even discussing Bale?

11.) 04 Sep 2020 08:39:59
But are the golf courses in Manchester good enough to attract Bale?

12.) 04 Sep 2020 09:35:53
If Sancho is unobtainable my preferance would be going for Ocampos, thought he did a decent job against us.

13.) 04 Sep 2020 09:55:26
Dozens Shappy? :p
Can you list 24 players you would honestly rather have than Bale at RW?

14.) 04 Sep 2020 10:27:59
I don't blame Bale tbh, Zidane hardly been treating him fairly either, I'd sit on £600k a week if being benched or left out all the time too.
Not many can afford him or those that can do they need him, takes both parties to terminate a contract so what's Bale to do, sure he would play if treated fairly in the first place but way past that now.

15.) 04 Sep 2020 10:49:54
Personally I said weeks ago, that if we can’t deal with Dortmund and Sancho, I would look at Ousmane Dembele.

16.) 04 Sep 2020 10:59:26
I do like Dembele but he would seem to be one of the younger players Koeman might want to hang onto. And I think Messi will stay for a year and get his free transfer at the end.

17.) 04 Sep 2020 11:12:54
Did barcelona not say dembele is not for sale?
Only managed 5 league games last season has had a operation on his hamstring, be interesting to see if he can get past his injury issues. Bad injury for such a quick player.

{Ed002's Note - I would ignore such statements.}

18.) 04 Sep 2020 12:06:33

Barca have spent mountains of cash, such as on Dembele and Coutinho plus been paying Messi a very large salary.

I suspect Dembele may be someone they can realise cash on to help rebuild and I would be surprised if it was anywhere near the mountain of cash Sancho will require. I may be wrong but think Fati is the one they really want to keep.

19.) 04 Sep 2020 12:37:30
He also cost mega money and managed 5 league games last season .
Seriously torn hamstring for such a quick player, it will be interesting to see how he returns .

20.) 04 Sep 2020 13:10:54

He did cost mega money, as you put it and if they sell there will be a big loss on him.

Giggs had terrible hamstring issues but we found a way to resolve it, I think with Yoga. That’s why they have medicals.

21.) 04 Sep 2020 13:13:09
Spenno, I really don't want us to sign Bale permanently. I would just about accept a loan deal if half of his wages were as a bonus for making the match day squad. He has a terrible injury record, and has shown very little drive to play football over the past couple of seasons.

For that reason if we were looking to sign a player permanently Bale would be so far down the list there would be dozen's of players I'd choose ahead of him.

Sancho, Buendia, David Neres, Brooks, Tsygankov, Ismailia Sarr, Moussa Diaby, Kulusevski, Leon Bailey, Mahrez, Salah, Bernardo Silva, Ferran Torres, Chiesa, Gnabry, Adama Traore, Mbappe, Bergwijn, Stengs, Tete, Ziyech, Pulisic, Willian, Thorgan Hazard, Bernardeschi, Douglas Costa, Dybala, Lo Celso, Lucas Moura, Justin Klivert, Zaha, Richarlison, Odegaard, Lozano, Raphinha, Under, Zaniolo, Chukwueze, Hudson-Odoi, Dembele, Trincao, Fati, Bryan Mbeumo, Ihatteren and Messi.

All players who can play RW who I'd want more than Bale, a lot of them just won't be available such as Mbappe for example. Some are very young and probably aren't ready for the EPL such as Ihatteren. While others are good solid players without being anything special such as Lucas Moura.

All however I feel would be better signings than Bale.

22.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.

23.) 04 Sep 2020 13:29:21
Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
I like dembele, great to watch but there will be question marks about his latest injuries.

24.) 04 Sep 2020 14:16:06
Shappy I was assuming they would all be realistic and obtainable alternatives, think only a handful of those would be. But I get the point re: Bale.

25.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:22
Bale doesn't even like playing football. He gets £600k a week to play his preferred game of golf in the sun. Why would he leave the golf course and come to rainy Manchester?

26.) 04 Sep 2020 14:57:31
Spenno, conservatively I think around 27 of them could be realistically obtainable.

27.) 04 Sep 2020 15:11:42
Thank god for Google, hey Shappy.
Complete bolloxology again.

28.) 04 Sep 2020 21:43:47
Betty, I don't need Google, I'm a full time student so I have plenty of time on my hands to watch plenty of football.

The thing with Bale is just about any player is better than him as they actually want to play football. His injury record is atrocious, his game relies on explosive speed, which is causing his injuries. He expects to earn 600k per week and only wants to play golf.

29.) 04 Sep 2020 23:17:26
Why do people feel sancho will be cheaper in a years time, it's a genuine question .
I've always rated bale but that ship surely has sailed . I'd have liked him 3 year ago not now . He seems Madrids answer to sanchez, large wages no takers if a fee is involved or he duznt have a rethink on wages but if you were him would you.

30.) 05 Sep 2020 08:15:11
Slate it's not about him being cheaper in a year's time. Although I vaguely remember someone saying something about agent fees might becoming under some kind of legislation for next year which might bring them down. But that's neither here or there in the grand scheme of things.

The issue isn't spending that amount of money, it's spending that amount of money while there is so much uncertainty around football currently due to the events of this year.

No one knows when fans can come back to stadiums, the financial hits of this year haven't been fully felt yet and how that knocks on to next year. What if there is another stoppage in sport? How will what has happened effect sponsorship deals moving forward. While club's are concerned about image, spending 120m on a player while several million people have lost their job and the country has gone in to a deep recession, can reflect negatively on the club. Speaking of recession, the Glazers took over the club in 2005, then the 2008 global recession happened which meant the club had to borrow further, along with the additional interest increased the debt by around 300m and meant that 12 years later the debt still hasn't been paid off. So the club has been stung by global recessions in the past.

Until there is more certainty sanctioning such a large spend in one player isn't something the club can do out of hand. Due diligence needs to be done, along with making sure the deal is as good as possible for the club in terms of bringing the fee down and spreading the the cost.

31.) 05 Sep 2020 10:39:44
Wouldn't touch Dembele personally.

32.) 05 Sep 2020 17:15:23
I'm guessing then shappy that if the 120 million you quote was spent on say 4 other players youd be just as against it what with the financial uncertainty and people losing jobs and other things you mention otherwise your simply saying youd spend it differently .

33.) 05 Sep 2020 18:10:43
Slate, I'm not saying I'm against the club spending 120m or 200m. If the club has it and can afford it then fine.

What I'm saying is there is a concern about spending so much money on one player.

Like I've said, I would be happy if we get Sancho, he looks one hell of a player. Yet I would have a concern if the club were to put all their eggs into one basket. If Sancho was our only summer signing I'd have concerns. However, we have signed DvdB already. If Donny and Sancho were our only two summer signings then fine. However, I'd have concern over our defence, I think we could do with a couple of quality signings in defence.




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16 Oct 2021 09:34:51
I may not be around much this afternoon, enjoy the game. I fancy us to win, possibly 3-1 and watch the rollercoaster ride in the coming weeks. Rashford on the break as we play defensive counter attack, may be the key.

One other point. I like reading around football. Have a look at what ex red Mark Robins has done as manager of Coventry. It doesn't make him United material, even with a very sentimental goal, but well done for showing some real managerial skills that Ole could learn from.

Red Man

1.) 16 Oct 2021 12:06:41
Red Man, hope so.

But the way we have been playing we can't be so sure. We could be in for a surprise either way.

2.) 16 Oct 2021 12:38:04
Yes redman. He has been really steady over the last 15 years at lower league clubs. He has worked wonders at Coventry.
I think todays games will be tight. Leicester are not playing well so far and a loss for them will put them in the bottom 6 so it will be interesting.
I hope we get off to a good start in the game too often it takes a goal against to bring out some speed and intent in our play.
A win at the beginning of this tough 10 game run might bring us a bit of momentum.
Atalnta are no great shakes, while they do pose a threat they concede goals a plenty and a win for us today would bring confidence going in to that one.
I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks 10 Big games against Big teams games of real importance. At the end of these 10 games we will be a third of the way through the league and finished our group stage in cl.
If we are still within 3 or 4 points off the top of the league and into last 16 of cl that will be a good outcome and leave us in a position to compete that has to be the objective over the next 10 games.
We can't win anything but we can lose both or 1.
On form this appears to be one of the easier league games in this next run of 7 league games but in no way do I think it will be easy.
Who will play?
No Fred I hope he plays matic and pogba and Bruno behind Mason ronaldo and sancho.
Ddg awb bailly lindelof Shaw.
Hope its a good game.

3.) 16 Oct 2021 12:47:01
I have no idea which team will turn up today, I can see us winning 3-0, but I can also see us losing 3-0, it seems to be a bit of a lottery whether we show up or not,

Well done to Robins and also Brucey, 1,000th game as a Manager today. He’s put up with some crap this year.

4.) 16 Oct 2021 13:19:48
My experience in this forum is that if Utd win there won't be much going on here. But if they drop a single point all hell will break loose.

5.) 16 Oct 2021 13:21:05
I'm sure the 8m pay off will soften the blow ajh.
Again a manager who has had decent periods with most the clubs he has been at. A very likeable man as a player and a manager imo.
Should have got his England cap too.
Ajh i agree its hard to know what sort of performance to expect. I'm hoping for aa good game Leicester will go at us so that should make for some good entertaining football.

6.) 16 Oct 2021 13:33:12
One of the best uncapped players, played for a dominant United team and still didn’t get picked for England.



14 Oct 2021 20:52:24
Interesting, Gary Neville who has been very supportive of his mate Ole is starting to change his tune. When you hear him it's like he now fears reality is nearly here and there isn't much time left. He talks of fear for Ole that the start of the season is worse than it looks, two points off the top yet haven't played a single team.

He talks about Ole having to try to accommodate Ronaldo, that we can't play pressing football, that we are wide open with the wrong selection.

It is going to be an interesting few weeks, the rollercoaster may well appear again.

Red Man

1.) 14 Oct 2021 22:00:36
Red Man - Ole believes he plays attacking football because he puts attacking players on the pitch however there is absolutely no attacking strategy or coherent patterns of play. I can’t see a plan to get the best out of Ronaldo and the football this season has been atrocious.

I’ve been worried for some time that our work rate off the ball is non existent . There is no plan or strategy to win the ball back other than Mctominay and Fred running around like headless chickens. At the moment I see no plan to attack or defend.

I think this might be a crisis too many for Ole because I just can’t see how he’s going to cause the likes of City, Chelsea and Liverpool problems. Ronaldo won’t press, he won’t help the team defend from the front, win the ball back and he limits our ability to counter attack. Whilst he’s still relative quick he preserves his energy so he won’t run the channels and also limits our ability to counter attack. He’s sold Dan James who’s pace and work rate was always useful in these games.

I’d be interested to hear how people think Ole will approach these games? Rashford being back will definitely help and maybe this might be a chance for Lingard to come back into the team. He works hard, presses well and has excellent movement off the ball. Rashford, Bruno, Lingard behind Rashford could give us the balance we need in the big games. Allow us to press more effectively from the front and maintain the threat on the counter.

2.) 14 Oct 2021 22:10:17
Not that odd really, everyone comes to a point where their mind can change. I have recently changed my mind. Or at least come to the conclusion that Ole has run his course at the club in a management capacity.

Truth be told the club has been on a rollercoaster for 9 years. Nothing will change any time soon sadly. Unless we see a dramatically bad run of form I'd expect Ole to see out most of if not all of the season.

That's not what I wantx just what o expect.

3.) 14 Oct 2021 23:57:23
Shappy i never had any problem for people changing their mind. Fair play to you (and to Neville as well) .
I believe from day one that Ronaldos transfer was the start of the end for Ole. Expectations was too low and then Ronaldo came and raised the bar.

4.) 15 Oct 2021 00:36:14
Under Ole we have purchased one Midfielder who has no role, 2 aging forwards, a young winger for a very high fee off the back of his worst season in 3 years at Dortmund, a £35m deal for an untested player from Atalanta. We still have not resolved our defensive midfield. We still don't know where Pogba fits in, or if we do, we can't play him there because of a surfeit of attacking players. We gave a lucrative new deal to Martial. The only real bright spot has been Bruno and that should have happened half a season earlier.

The failure to correct the midfield problems has been going on now since before SAF retired. Cleverley? Djemba-Djemba? The club has been second to the ball in every way: finding the right managers, finding the right players, selling the wrong players, establishing a playing ethos. As Ed002 says, the club is run by amateurs. And that's why replacing Ole may be necessary but may also be pointless. They are unlikely to make the right appointment anyway.

5.) 15 Oct 2021 07:53:11
Shaw its not pointless even if the next appointment is not the right one we know for sure ole isn't so its not pointless showing him the door.
But he had built a structure where his bosses are his mates a cunning move. If he was as cunning with his football tactics as he is with his own self preservation tactics the club would be a whole lot better off.

6.) 15 Oct 2021 08:47:32
Rashford coming back fit and fresh will give a boost but also an enigma with team selection imo. The defensive injuries and rb/ lb not fully firing could well be the main cause of negative results if they do come (inevitable over the next six games I reckon) Always optimistic but realistically thought the upcoming period could define Oles xmas and starting to get the feeling we will see images of him and Bruce signing on boxing day! . I want my team to win I want my team to play with swagger and style but most of all I want them to compete!

7.) 15 Oct 2021 09:19:36
Interesting one that funky.
Wonder where he indends playing him
He finished last session on the right which doesn't work.
Pogna has been playing a bit left as has sancho.
Ole will dump Mason out of the team becuse its they easy thing to do not necessarily the right thing.
He will find a spot for pogba i'm not sure he has played him full back yet so that's a possibility.

8.) 15 Oct 2021 10:38:36

Are you sure the next manager will play better football?

Are you sure the next manager won't stagnate Greenwood's development?

Are you sure the next manager won't cause unrest in the dressing room?

Are you sure the next manager will qualify for the UCL every year?

Are you sure the next manager will do what you want to see happen?

I'm not, while the people who own the club and the people who make the key decisions remain the same as the ones who hired Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole I have absolutely no faith in them hiring the right man next.

It's a 50/ 50 chance that the next manager will improve on Ole or be worse.

I agree that Ole isn't good enough, and on that basis he has to go. But I have very little faith that the next manager will be everything everyone is hoping for.

Hopefully things get better, but that is all it is, hope. Nothing is guaranteed, if the next manager does worse than Ole then replacing him will have proven pointless.

9.) 15 Oct 2021 11:56:51
That's hindsight shappy this one is useless so its not pointless getting rid of him.

10.) 15 Oct 2021 12:29:34
Ken, I think this is where we differ. I don't think he is "useless" he has managed some aspects of the club better than the previous 3 managers.

Yet he still isn't good enough to get us to where we want to be.

I think people like to live life at the extremes. A manager is either perfect or useless, a person is either capitalist or communist, etc.

Yet the reality is that most things are more a scale rather than an extreme. Most fit somewhere in the middle in that grey area.

If Ole really was "useless" then he would not have the dressing room United behind him, if he was "useless" he wouldn't be the only post Sir Alex manager to finish in the top four consecutively, or even just more than once. If he was "useless" he wouldn't have got best ever season's out of several of our players.

It's clear now that his achievements aren't enough and he isn't going to develop enough as a manager to make that jump so that he can be good enough and get the club where we want it to be.

He isn't the worst manager we have ever had, but the next guy could be.

That shouldn't be enough to warrant him keeping his job, but given our track record of hiring managers I am reserving judgement that the next manager will be good enough or even an improvement on Ole.

11.) 15 Oct 2021 14:08:28
He is the worst manager. But he isn't the worst fit.
The support he had from our club from top to bottom was second to none. He had time, money and low expectations-so a happy camp. I would go as far as to say that I don't think any manager have been supported as much as Ole in a big big club like we are-and no Fergi isn't the example because we were a different animal back there and the era was different.
So he had time, he had a lot of money and good players and he had the bar low so no expectations. For 3 years we were the good vibes United. I would say taking into account all these he couldn't make any worst.

12.) 15 Oct 2021 18:40:01
Shappy what aspects has he excelled in?

13.) 16 Oct 2021 09:31:01
Worst manager? In my supporting lifetime there are four really poor ones, McGuiness, O’Farrell, Sexton and Ole. The club did not carry on regardless with the first too, did not inflict them on the fans overly, so for me the worst is between Ole and Sexton. I detested Sexton for taking away the United way of playing, yet so has Ole. It’s a hard call to be honest, the football under Ole is every bit as disjointed and poor, defensive minded as under Sexton. They are both equally bad in my eyes and unsuitable for United, unless the club continue to push the sentimental amateur on us no matter what. That for me would make him and the situation worse than Sexton and then definitely the worst in our history.

As to the next guy, I fear like Shappy the amateurs will get it wrong again, I really fear Southgate. However, that is no reason not to change.

14.) 16 Oct 2021 10:02:06
Ken, he united a very split dressing room. I'd argue that the team is all pulling in the same direction for the first time since Sir Alex left.

He has also bought well for the most part, and dramatically improved the squad from the one he took over.

He has also got career best season's out of a few of our players. Not just good form, but them playing the best they have ever managed.

He has also managed a level of stability that we haven't had under previous managers. To consistently finish in the top 3 let alone top 4 is an improvement on what we have managed previously.

That needs to be balanced against the indifferent form of the side as a whole. With great "moments" rather than great performances as a team.

The average to poor performances of some players, as well as a perceived lack on development in some players.

The inability to convert good chances to win things into trophies.

As well as the general feeling that he has peaked and is struggling to get this side playing at its full potential.

Is he the worst manager? No, he's a fairly average Joe, he can get a team playing to a certain level but lacks the ability to make them into a genuine top side that can challenge for the biggest honours.

15.) 16 Oct 2021 10:12:16
Red Man I only go as far back as Sir Alex, with me being born around the time he took over.

Yet from what I have witnessed LvG has been by far the worst manager in my lifetime.

The football was just awful, I turned off several matches at half time as I just couldn't inflict it on myself anymore.

While his signings were pretty much terrible and I feel he sold/ let go several players that in hindsight we should have kept. Jonny Evans for example.

After that I don't think much separates the other three. None providing great football, Jose's United were a tough watch, but at least until he had his meltdown you knew that we had a chance to win something even if we were playing anti-United football.

Moyes was not here long enough, was a solid manager but a lamb to the slaughter following Sir Alex.

Ole has done some things well, but lacks the ability to raise us back to where we want to be. The football on the whole is better to watch than under LvG and Jose (although not great to watch), but there seems less chance of winning something with him.

16.) 16 Oct 2021 10:42:15
I don't agree with any of that shappy.
Not one achievement there that warrents him keeping his job or that he should be commended for.
Pretty much all of them are subjective except your are commending him for making us regular failures.



10 Oct 2021 13:12:33
Danny Blind expressing the obvious

"What is the identity of this Manchester
United team? What is his plan? It is exactly
that what is missing with Solskjaer. There is
not a tactical plan. His team are not able to
put pressure on their opponents like
Manchester City. It does not always have to
be full pressing but we don't see any of it -
everything in the United team is based on
the individual qualities of players. They have
those qualities and it often gets a result for
the team. But it is never a team result. It has
not been looking good in a number of
matches. United struggle to be dominant
that is the whole problem. ".

Red Man

1.) 10 Oct 2021 13:57:25

2.) 10 Oct 2021 14:48:05
Very good assessment.

3.) 10 Oct 2021 15:16:00
Handsome devil too.

4.) 10 Oct 2021 15:32:59

That’s Daleys dad btw maybe handsome as well but not so much for me

Yes it is spot on and what we have been saying.

Also Scholes has been criticising Oles football as not aggressive enough.

Tide is turning when even Oles mate is having a dig.

5.) 10 Oct 2021 16:25:00
He also said when we went 1-0 againt Everton we sat back hoping to catch them on the break . a Utd team at O. T set up not to go on the attack when 1-0 up. unheard of. and he is right again.

6.) 11 Oct 2021 06:43:21
People have been saying the same for years now and nothing has changed nor will it with Ole at the helm. He is a decent bloke but not a top coach/ manager. Why do people expect more from someone who has reached the limit of his capabilities?

7.) 11 Oct 2021 07:00:46
He is absolutely spot on.

8.) 11 Oct 2021 12:30:25
Spot on, but ironic who it's coming from, if even he can see it then what are we (Utd powers that be) waiting for?

9.) 11 Oct 2021 14:17:15
I did hear that even a Blind man can see how bad some of the performances are.



03 Oct 2021 17:35:12
Watching City, the first half, a real plan to dominate possession and manipulate the opposition full backs out of position, make space, use clever runs at angles and get dangerous crosses in. They are a very well coached team, with a style that can be consistently repeated to give success.

They are everything we are not. It really hurts to say that, but it's not just the first team, it's the whole club. They are up against Liverpool with a very good manager, who like United in the great days, will be challenging when it matters. Liverpool a club that is spending on their ground to massively improve it, whilst we pay dividends to the owners.

There was a time when the important games involved us, but the board are clearly clueless, allowing the failed ex Cardiff manager to continue to design our future, whilst failing to coach the now. Meanwhile there is Pep, Klopp, Tuchel guiding our rivals, it is heartbreaking

I have lived through long periods of mediocrity prior to SAF, the amateurs haven't fired the fraud so looks like we are destined for more.

Red Man

1.) 03 Oct 2021 17:51:30
And watch Klopp make changes and end up winning, that’s what a manager can do.

2.) 03 Oct 2021 18:31:53
Pep and klopp are the two top managers in the game and Tuchel is in the top 5 arguably.

Its what separates us from those 3 teams and everyone knows it whether they like to admit it or not.

3.) 03 Oct 2021 18:33:17
Jeez, hang in there red man, don't do anything silly now.

We came into the season with this coaching staff. We are not changing before we get to end november unless results turn really bad and we are out of contention.

Couple of weeks ago arsenal was in a tail spin and and getting slated in the media. They win last week and now the noise is turning to concern at Man Utd. Chelsea looked unbeatable, suddenly they look a level below liverpool and city. tottenham under pressure, then an improved performance today.

This league is tough. City and liv probably still best 2, chelsea and utd next best, tottenham arsenal leicester, then a strong list of mid table teams who can beat anyone on their day.

I realise you have been Ole out for 18 months at least, and now the media is questioning it is feeding your concerns, but surely you can see we are not about to sack the team when we are 2 off the top of epl at the start of october? I know you would have done it 18 months ago, but once we back them and come into the season, surely you can see that we will go with this group a bit deeper in to the season?

4.) 03 Oct 2021 18:34:57
Great game to watch kdb silva Foden and salah in particular are a pleasure to watch.

2 teams intent on winning neither managed it in the end but they both tried up to the end.

The running off the ball makes life difficult for defenders the man in the ball has so many options its football as it should be played with every player leaving nothing in the tank.

5.) 03 Oct 2021 19:24:46
Chalk and cheese from watching us play I’m afraid……… not because better players but because they know what is expected of them and how to play because both have excellent managers, we don’t….

Even though 2-2 that’s what entertaining football is all about, perhaps Ole was watching thinking oh we don’t play like that!

6.) 03 Oct 2021 19:31:52
Dodgy, you still believe in the clueless man even after 3 years?
He is taking us backwards.
The sooner he leaves the better.

7.) 03 Oct 2021 20:51:51

I’m not really sure he’s taking us backwards, he’s taken us forwards, just not sure he is the right man to take us any further forward. The hyperbole and ignoring of any balance is what gets people’s backs up, also the calling of names is unnecessary, just my opinion though.

{Ed014's Note - I have noticed your bad spelling of a certain posters name! ?

8.) 03 Oct 2021 21:44:53
I'm not sure he has taken us forwards in any respect. He has not won anything like all his predessor and his predessor.
We have no team patterns as you said yourself you don't think he can win anything. So what way has he taken us forwards?
1 clean sheet in 20 games?
Below average midfield with 450m spent.
Unbalanced squad with 450m spent.
Players voicing discontent and displaying it just as they were under Jose.

9.) 04 Oct 2021 01:58:46
No idea what you mean Ed but will make sure I get all spelling correct in future.

I think the squad is a lot better now than the squad he inherited, definitely in defence and the forward line, obviously midfield is still short and a DM is needed but that’s nothing Ole or any of us don’t already know. He also wanted a right back to replace Dalot as he’s not good enough either.

10.) 04 Oct 2021 07:05:27
GDS, even I don't advocate calling names.
But he really is clueless. And I really mean that.

11.) 04 Oct 2021 07:54:41
I agree Trd.

12.) 04 Oct 2021 07:55:01
City were on another level and No one would complain if they were 3 or 4 up first half, Liverpool just playing long ball. Some of the refereeing was farcical. It's like anfield dictate the decisions and Liverpool players have viagra drips in their arms for absolutely every throw in. How Bernado Silva didn't get Motm is beyond me. Best player on the pitch.



02 Oct 2021 21:37:17
That smile on 94 minutes, I have to go back to it. It was a smile of someone who has confidence, hiding behind a new 3 year contract, someone who thinks they have all the time in the world to toy with formations, with selection, they think the club is totally behind them and they can go and play FIFA with next weeks team.

Moyes had a 6 year contract and thought the same.

It is time for change. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer needs to go now, in hours not days.

Red Man

1.) 02 Oct 2021 21:45:18
I don't like it when someone thinks he's better than the club. No one is above the club.

If he loved United like us fans he should step down.

2.) 02 Oct 2021 22:02:31
Think the tide is turning slowly guys. The media are picking up on the pressure and being critical themselves, and the fans are getting very restless.

He’s had his time, but don’t see us acting until Christmas which will be too late by then to salvage the season.

3.) 02 Oct 2021 23:08:25
He will be gone soon. 1 point from 6 against Atalanta and a further 8 points dropped against Leicester, Liverpool and the City and he’s gone….

4.) 02 Oct 2021 23:42:34
Red Man - Do you think he is in danger of losing his job?!

5.) 03 Oct 2021 03:29:10
This happens once or twice a season, we go on a bad run coming up to a tough looking set of fixtures. We then go on to win a few of them tough fixtures and ole gets a few more months grace.

6.) 03 Oct 2021 07:04:46
SAF would have been furious dropping points like this.
Ole's smile at the end was so infuriating to watch. He has a loosers mentality.
Same old excuses as always.

The inept one is taking us backwards.

7.) 03 Oct 2021 09:08:35

Do I think he is in danger of losing his job. Yes is the simple answer. He seems to think that the club have given him unwavering unending support, that smile at the end is one of arrogance, believing he is untouchable whilst he implements whatever he wants. I doubt Moyes saw it coming either.

The club is run by a bunch of amateurs and accountants, yet they are not completely stupid. I posted a week or so ago about Ronaldo and Varane, their different winning mindset, they are not here to play dross bland football whilst not winning anything. No doubt they were sold the dream. What will they think of a manager, who we understand doesn’t take the training sessions, whose tactics are poor, who has no alternative plan B? Ronaldo will very likely say it like he sees it, be honest about it. I have worked in business with people like him, they do not mince their words. I don’t underestimate the rumours of him saying we need to play quicker in the opposition half (at odds with what OGS said), or of him inexplicably being sub yesterday. He stormed off at the end. He will have SAFs ear, if Ron is not impressed with Ole, why would he be, he will say it, it is another chip away at Oles managerial authority. It was always going to be difficult for Ole managing top players, without having earned respect for his work already, relegating Cardiff or Molde isn’t that. You have to earn respect quickly or lose it all in those circumstances. Ron storming off is telling, viewing it like that.

The amateurs also know that support for the amateur manager is seeping away, the chants getting less, the product on the pitch causing grumbles all round.

I desperately hope he walks away, yet think he is now too arrogant, thinks he is untouchable, so I think it has to be the sack, perhaps sold as mutual consent. However, the amateurs dither over everything, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they carry on with him, quite possibly until Christmas when the useless, relegated ex Cardiff manager will almost certainly have left us with little to win other than the FA Cup. Another season wasted with him, it’s appalling.

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Bielsa plays a different and more entertaining brand of football to Ole. Bielsa is not a negative don’t lose merchant and his style means they are absolutely open to what Ole plays. Dan James will likely be better in a Leeds team that plays that way, instead of a run so far pass inside one. When we bought James we could see that had pace and could run but that isn’t enough if you want to win leagues. Along with James the club are starting to doubt the players Ole has bought, is AWB next given the lack of ability to go forward and the pursuit of Trippier?
Good luck to Dan James at Leeds, will be interesting to see what a good coach like Bielsa does with him, in fact it would be interesting to see what one of the top coaches could do with our team.

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Ole has not done an immense job as you put it. There are many who could lead this squad better, Antonio Conte, who, as far as I am aware, is still immediately available is a simple example.

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Pep is a far better coach and manager than Ole, gets far more out of players, who know exactly what is required. Give Ole City’s squad or Liverpool’s for that matter and he wouldn’t win the league.

You keep repeating yourself about how it is the players and squad not Ole. The old say it enough times and people will believe you stuff.

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06 Jun 2021 10:15:05
The first question is how we spent £50m on AWB if he doesn’t fully meet with what Ole wanted? 2. Why can his attacking not be improved by coaching? 3. Dalot was one of the most highly thought of young right fullbacks in Europe, how did we not coach him better? 4. Williams has the United DNA and all that, would accept being back up, so why ignore him? 5. Laird.

So great idea to spend our money and buy another right back. Lastly, is Trippier one of the 3 main purchases? Trippier, Heaton and who is the last?

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We bought one of the most promising attacking right backs in Europe in Dalot, can cross a ball too. However, the amateur coaches didn’t do anything and moved him out.

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16 Oct 2021 09:31:01
Worst manager? In my supporting lifetime there are four really poor ones, McGuiness, O’Farrell, Sexton and Ole. The club did not carry on regardless with the first too, did not inflict them on the fans overly, so for me the worst is between Ole and Sexton. I detested Sexton for taking away the United way of playing, yet so has Ole. It’s a hard call to be honest, the football under Ole is every bit as disjointed and poor, defensive minded as under Sexton. They are both equally bad in my eyes and unsuitable for United, unless the club continue to push the sentimental amateur on us no matter what. That for me would make him and the situation worse than Sexton and then definitely the worst in our history.

As to the next guy, I fear like Shappy the amateurs will get it wrong again, I really fear Southgate. However, that is no reason not to change.

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I think you should note that I said at the time we should not appoint Ole from being temp to perm. I have said before but in any other job you need relevant experience and have credentials, Ole didn’t so I was very against his appointment. We basically jumped to appoint a temp after dead cat bounce, appalling amateur behaviour.

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16 Oct 2021 07:49:39
Confused and bewildering strategy. Ole said “We want to prolong his contract, we see him as an important player for us. It's up to him and maybe up to me to give him more playing time because he deserves to. Hopefully, we can get a deal sorted for Jesse because we really rate him. ”

Can someone tell me what the idiot of a manager is doing? We buy Pellestri, Amad and Sancho for well over £100m, have Bruno and Pogba who play in a particular way, have youth like Mejbri not getting a chance, yet the managerial dunce is pushing Jesse to sign a new deal.

Looks to me like Ole can’t let go, likes Lingards DNA. If I were Lingard I would leave, I would look at how DvB has been treated, it appears he was lied to so why would you trust this manager if you sign a new contract?

The thing is Ole will likely feel for Jesse and want to persuade him to sign, so rather than have a strategic plan, could now give him playing time. It’s so amateur it’s frightening.

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14 Oct 2021 06:49:10

I understand you are pro Ole, however, can you see any change or improvement in team set up bringing better control in games over the last 3 years? We are inconsistent because there is no organised team method that is successful to a high percentage.

Surely you can see this, surely you understand the manager has no successful organised pattern, like the top managers. Ole has no history at all of being able to deliver that.

Yes we may win games, but we did that in the 70’s and 80’s. On what basis do you have such faith that Ole can deliver?

DLIB, very good well written OP by the way.

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13 Oct 2021 20:43:51
Jamie Carragher has said it as it is. Referring to Gary Neville and Roy Keane “The two of them just make excuses for Ole because they played with him and he's their mate”.

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