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04 Dec 2024 13:47:10
Seeing quite a few links to clubs looking at dalot.
That would be a great result for us if we could sell him.
A very average player not suited to a wing back role at all long term imo. Really poor crosser of the ball and suffers from severe concentration lapses.
Always gives his all but so did ralph milne.
1.) 04 Dec 2024 14:06:02
Ken,
I agree with you. The club needs to raise their standards aswell. I do believer others should leave before Dalot. However, Utd could do with the money, if the PSR rumours are to be believed.
2.) 04 Dec 2024 15:26:09
Psr rules are all changing MH. I've a lot less concerns around that going forward.
3.) 04 Dec 2024 15:38:46
When he gets into high positions up the pitch, his head explodes. If we could get an upgrade, would be great.
Not unhappy if he stays as a backup though.
4.) 04 Dec 2024 16:09:20
Decent back up angel but if we can get good money for him it might pay us to sell.
5.) 04 Dec 2024 16:34:49
It's almost unbelievable so many clubs want him, given he is cr4p. Maybe they see something in him.
6.) 04 Dec 2024 16:55:48
He's not crap Tony, far from it. But I believe we need better as first choice.
7.) 04 Dec 2024 17:18:33
He is decent back up at best i'd agree so if someone wants to buy him for 20m plus I think it would be a good deal for us.
He is good back up for Portugal. He has good attributes and would do well I'm sure.
Does he possess the attributes needed to play rwb for our manager I don't think so.
All the noise could be him angling for a new contract. If the coach thinks he fits the system he will get one i'm sure. I don't see him being happy if not regular starter once the team settled down.
8.) 05 Dec 2024 11:20:17
We need Davies.
9.) 05 Dec 2024 12:06:55
Steve Davis. snooker loopy.
10.) 05 Dec 2024 15:57:43
I wonder will anyone sign rashford ajh but you think he is crap so obviously not.
11.) 05 Dec 2024 18:57:45
I don't think Rashford is crap ken, I think he has amazing ability. However, his application and effort is poor and his head seems elsewhere, he's had long enough to fix it but doesn't seem able to.
12.) 05 Dec 2024 21:39:49
I agree. He just shirks any physical contact and work.
I really think he should move for his own good. I'd like to see him excel elsewhere but I don't think he has the drive.
13.) 05 Dec 2024 21:46:56
Far more valuable and problem assets in the squad than Dalot.
26 Nov 2024 19:17:55
One of the more interesting stories I read this week is the possibility of zirkzee going on loan to juve with Douglas Luiz coming to united on loan it's not gone well for him in Italy. Good player when at villa. He is a player that would suit us at the moment I would think.
1.) 27 Nov 2024 22:33:07
Doubt it would happen. Amorim hasn't had enough time to assess if Zirkzee fits into his plans, it would also leave us lacking more numbers up front. While Zirkzee isn't a striker, he can play as a 10 or false 9 whereas Luiz is a CM. I don't see him leaving Turin where he only recently moved with his partner, Alisha Lehmann.
2.) 28 Nov 2024 07:07:05
Easy story to write that.
3.) 28 Nov 2024 13:37:14
Not that anyone has been necessarily impressive to start the season (bar Amad), has anyone else been severely disappointed in Zirkzee? I don't see him excelling in any traits out there on the pitch.
4.) 28 Nov 2024 13:57:15
I can not believe after watching Martial is last few years, we signed one of the only strikers in the world that Martial could beat in a race.
5.) 28 Nov 2024 15:49:12
Very good dsg. ?
Martial tearing it up in Greece.
1 goal in 12 games.
23 Aug 2024 13:48:17
Ed002 good afternoon.
2 questions for you.
What do you think will happen with sancho come the end of the window. Loan out, sell or stay?
Secondly mctominay do you think he will get a move or stay? If he does move do you see united going in for another midfielder to replace him or do you think ugarte will be the only 1st team midfielder brought in (assuming they get him)
Appreciate i'm only asking for an opinion.
{Ed002's Note - Jadon Sancho (W) Borussia Dortmund would take the player back but will not pay more than half of what they sold him for and will step back unless the demands of the player and club are more reasonable, or a further loan is offered. Newcastle may have provided an option but moved on. Agent approached Spurs but they can be discounted. Perhaps a loan to buy for Juventus but wages are a huge issue. RBL may be open to a discussion.
Scott McTominay (CM) If available at the right price, West Ham, Fulham and Galatasaray will be interested. Napoli may offer a wildcard option but he is not first choice - and they would likely only want a loan. I suspect he will stay or may make a move to Napoli.
Manchester United have priorities to address first.}
1.) 23 Aug 2024 14:46:54
Cheers.
14 Aug 2024 13:40:37
Hi ed002.
Do you know if there is any serious interest from the Saudi pro league in any of our players?
I've read reports that they are looking at the likes of lindelof casimero Anthony and rashford.
Just wondering if you think they will make any offers to united for any of the above?
{Ed002's Note - Casemiro at the right price may still be of interest.}
1.) 14 Aug 2024 13:56:25
I guess if Ugarte comes in then Casemiro has a decision to make.
2.) 14 Aug 2024 15:42:03
ED002,
What fee do you think a deal for Casemiro could be down for?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I am not going to try and guess fees but at 32 perhaps £20M or so.}
3.) 14 Aug 2024 16:47:52
No it doesn't.}
4.) 14 Aug 2024 17:04:06
Cheers ED002,
I think the club just need to sell at a loss a s get his wages off the books.
5.) 14 Aug 2024 17:14:53
Paying him for a year and selling him next year might be cheaper and not generate a loss MH.
Not intimate with the detail but that's what a lot of us don't know.
6.) 14 Aug 2024 17:24:09
It depends, if it's going to cost the club the same regardless of whether he leaves this summer or next then surely getting another year out of him and his experience makes it worthwhile keeping him around for another year.
{Ed025's Note - that is not moving forward though Shappy, thats stagnating mate and if you want to progress you have to get rid of free loaders like Casimero and Anthony imo mate, they are bleeding the club dry..
7.) 14 Aug 2024 18:31:02
Assume we're amortizing his transfer cost at £15m pa and he costs us another £15m pa in wages, and his written down book value is £30m, selling him for £20m improves the bottom line by £20m in the coming fiscal year. That cost has to be reduced by the annual costs of his replacement. A 5 year contract for Ugarte at say £45m plus a wage of £5m year, for a total of £14m a year, still yields a better financial outcome.
These are all complete estimates based on info on the internet but, suffice it to say, if the Saudis are prepared to give us £20m+ for him we should take it and move on. We cannot be building teams around players at the end of their careers. Surely that's got to be the #1 lesson of the last 12 years or more.
8.) 14 Aug 2024 22:28:01
Ed025, I'd love to get all those players who aren't good enough off the books of the club this summer.
But if we did that we'd struggle to name a 5 a side team let alone a starting 11 and 7 subs.
Reality is that we need to ship some off this summer, a few more next summer and probably a couple more he summer after.
Currently Casemiro is the only special-ist CDM we have at the club. We need at least two special-ists defensive midfielders to cover for injuries and to rotate.
If we get rid of Casemiro this summer then we will also have to sign TWO defensive midfielders rather than one.
Therefore, selling Casemiro at a loss and then being forced to buy two midfielders is an extremely costly way to run the club.
Keeping Casemiro for one more season as the back up, while signing a player like Ugarte to be first choice. Makes much more sense. Then sell Casemiro next summer without him counting as a loss on the books.
Just like everyone else, bar City, we need to keep within PSR rules.
Say we bought Ugarte for 45m and kept Casemiro. That is the CDM position sorted for this season at a cost of 45m.
If we sell Casemiro for a 20m loss on the books, buy Ugarte for 45m and Sander Berge for a further 25m then solving the CDM position has cost us 90m with the two players and the loss.
Effectively you can add whatever loss we take on Casemiro to the fee of the player we sign to replace him.
9.) 15 Aug 2024 01:35:03
Doesn't add up Shappy. Casemiro costs United c. £30m a year in wages + depreciation. And if his departure means we have to buy 2 CDMs then surely we have to buy 1 anyway. So you can only compare costs between Casemiro and whoever replaces him. The second CDM will have to be funded by the sale of, say, McTominay and/ or Erickson.
Where are you getting the £20m loss from? Apparently we paid £60m for him on a 4 year contract. He's been with us for 2 so his residual value should be around £30m. Ed suggested we might get £20m for him. I'm sure United will be weighing the extent of the loss compared to the savings. If we can only get £10m for him then my guess is he'll stay, but they are not going to base the decision on the illogical proposition that we'll have to buy 2 people to replace him. If we keep Casemiro and get Ugarte, the bottom line cost for Ugarte is not £45m in year one, it's £9m amortization + his wages. Even if you assume a loss of £20m by selling Casemiro, you have to offset the £30m of annual cost you have avoided.
10.) 15 Aug 2024 01:50:57
Sales appear on the accounts for that year, incoming you can spread across fives year in regards the accounts.
You will be going into future years already having to account for that 15 million of his fee.
Chelsea are committing themselves to having to sell a lot of players in each of the next few years, assuming there are no more hotels to move about on the accounts.
I am not sure why everyone isn't playing hardball with them over buying their players, they have to sell.
We have a number of players who are going to restrict future budgets if we move them on.
I rather fancy there has been a bit of robbing Peter to Paul about us this window, out of necessity admittedly, but we are going to have to sell a couple each year just to balance the books and allow us to be able to spend.
We are still hampered by the awful recruitment over the last few years.
11.) 15 Aug 2024 10:01:03
Oak your forgetting if we sell the players we are trying to sell the wage budget would probably be significantly lower and this in the end is almost as big if not bigger than money from sales.
12.) 15 Aug 2024 19:02:07
I think it's unfair to label either Casemeiro or Anthony as freeloaders.
Nobody put a gun against the heads of Utds recruitment and said they had to pay over inflated prices and salaries.
You can't blame the players for maximising their income as they have a short career and let's be honest we would all do the same as them given the chance.
Both players do try. Casemeiro had an excellent first season but in common with the whole team last his way last season. This year with decent defenders behind him and a stronger midfield ahead of himaybe he will be able to play to his strengths more. Anthony has talent but probably not good enough to cut it at the highest level. flashes of brilliance fail to hide the overall level.
13.) 15 Aug 2024 21:11:37
Salford you are right, that is unfair on genuine freeloaders who have perfected that art.
The surplus to requirements players have parasitic veins running through their bodies. That is a more fair and reasonable analogy of them.
14.) 16 Aug 2024 10:42:23
Cutting Jimbo.
15.) 16 Aug 2024 14:08:03
I don’t know Casemiro but if he has the professionalism off the park he could be an excellent mentor for the younger players and still play a part if we are injury hit. He’s long in tooth but has been a great player and demanded success. If his heart is still in it.
16.) 17 Aug 2024 08:18:30
Get Ugarte in and play Casemiro in Europe, cups and as/ when needed in the league. Let’s be honest, ‘when’ we’re winning 1-0 away at Liverpool later on in the season, Casemiro coming on for the last 20 minutes will be invaluable.
Sell McTominay, bring in Rabiot and that’s midfield sorted, at a cost of only around £15m net:
Ugarte/ Casemiro/ Collyer
Mainoo/ Rabiot
Bruno/ Mount.
29 Jul 2024 19:16:34
Hannibal may be off to rangers.
Pellistri? I think there is some interest
Sancho psg potentially
Mctom Fulham?
Awb West ham?
Ericksen ajax?
Lindelof? Not heard much
Clearing these players would be a lovely end to the window.
4 more in would be great. A cb rb and 2 xcm
If we do clear out those I think that will only leave dalot Shaw maguire bruno and rashford as players that eth inherited. 3 summer windows to get rid of nearly a whole squad is some going.
It really would be nice to see the above 7 go before the end of August . If we got fees in and around 85 to 100m between them all it would be decent imo.
Rb looks sorted fingers crossed.
1 x cm looks sorted with the Uruguayan chap from psg.
Hopefully 1 of jb challobah or deligt will come in at cb.
Ideally then we get another cm in although I think eth is looking at mount as a cm.
1.) 29 Jul 2024 20:13:43
Where is Casemiro!
He should be the first out of the door, his wages vs what he brings represent the worst ratio of any player on our books.
Yes worse than Eeyore and the petulant child Sancho.
In order of priorities out the door.
Casemiro
Sancho
Maguire
AWB
Hannibal
Pellestri
Lindelof
Anybody else that isn't viewed long term.
2.) 29 Jul 2024 20:57:29
Casemeiro is on big wages and understandably no elite team will need him and middle tier teams could not afford him. So difficult to move on.
Likewise Maguire and Lindelof.
3.) 29 Jul 2024 22:44:37
I forgot Eriksen and Anthony!
We are still a mess.
Top 4 whilst not necessarily out of the question this year, you have to say if the majority of the above players are part of the squad, somewhere between 4th and 8th is a reasonable prediction.
Not being a doomsdayer, more so realistic about our current squad.
You could replace
Eriksen with Collyer
Maguire with MDL
Pellestri with Lacey
Casemiro with Ugarte
Lindelof with JB
AWB with that Maz. Guy from Bayern
That leaves Hannibal Sancho and Anthony. I would say Rashford, Amad and Garnacho offers us quite a bit on the wings, plus Lacey to be integrated wherever possible. So what to replace those three with from the youth setup, or any shrewd signings available. there's been quite a few names mentioned on here about potential youth players, it isn't the worst strategy!
4.) 29 Jul 2024 21:58:11
Unless a saudi league team comes in for him Casemiro is going nowhere, Lindelof will go before the window shuts but i think Maguire will be staying.
5.) 29 Jul 2024 22:05:17
Casimero imo is much more valuable to the team than the likes of mctom or ericksen jimbob imo. Good experience in a squad not blessed with that.
He is also a lot harder to move due to the finances. We cannot suffer big losses on assets and nobody will pay enough for us to avoid that.
Maguire and cas are not going to walk away from millions.
If he stays casimero will make a positive contribution imo.
Lindelof might get a suitable offer.
6.) 29 Jul 2024 23:23:10
Let's pray for the Saudis to take Cas.
PSG to take Sancho
Ajax to take Eriksen
Anyone to take Maguire
Someone to take AWB
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7.) 30 Jul 2024 06:03:18
Have a feeling Ten Haag will want to hold onto a few of the players you listed. He loves peddling excuses and so will want to keep at least five or six pre-Ten Haag players around so that he can blame the squad he inherited when things inevitably go pear-shaped.
8.) 30 Jul 2024 08:52:46
This has reminded me, what happened with Hannibal?
He looked really promising not long ago, and I thought he looked pretty good at the start of last season, then he left on loan and suddenly his time at Utd seems to be over.
Did he just peak early and not expected to reach the level we need? Are there personal issues?
9.) 30 Jul 2024 09:19:46
Simply over rated over hyped.
10.) 30 Jul 2024 12:18:45
Hannibal has many good aspects of his game, technical skills, physically strong, reasonable quick and is seemingly a hard worker in the pitch.
But all of that is let down as he seems to lack the cerebral capacity to apply himself in a way that is beneficial to the team.
He runs around like a headless chicken, chasing the ball like a dog chasing a carrier bag in the wind. While he doesn't have the emotional intelligence to manage his emotions, leading to flashes of anger and petulant behaviour. Making him a red card waiting to happen.
Those drawbacks make him a hard player to fit into the line up. His most natural position at United would be in the No.10 as he isn't disciplined enough to play in the pivot. That means he's competing with Bruno, who has some of the same drawbacks (uncoordinated pressing - dragged out of position, and petulance) but without being able to have the same kind of impact on games. While Bruno is seemingly never injured.
We also have Mount, Eriksen and Amad who can all play there and are ahead of him.
Time to move him on and create space for younger lads who have a chance of making it, as long as there is a pathway for them.
Was he overhyped/ overrated? Well he's certainly never lived up to the hype. He has the talent, but is lacking between the ears. Something that is never considered when young players are rated. I keep saying it, but talent will only take you so far, mentality/ attitude are what makes the difference.
Have they got the right attitude to learn, to push themselves, to work hard, to look after themselves away from the pitch, the resilience to see setbacks as challenges and to relish those challenges.
Or do they let ego take over, get ahead of themselves, think they've made it, get distracted by all the things that easily distract teenage boys with money to burn.
Being a professional footballer is harder now than ever, the expectations, the pressure, the social media element, the need to not just be good with the ball but to train your mind, marginal gains.
If a professional at the highest level drops their level by 2-3% that has a massive impact on their performance.
Staying up late playing computer games so you haven't had enough sleep can be the difference between a good performance and an awful one.
While I'm not saying it isn't worth it, the sacrifices that these young lads need to make to make that leap from youth to professional level are massive and significant.
While they are also too young to have enough life experience to fully understand the impacts of their actions. They need to have enough trust and belief in those older adults around them to follow what they say and not question it or think they know better. Anyone who works with teenagers or has had teenagers knows exactly how hard (almost impossible) that is.
I'm a massive advocate for the club creating pathways and giving opportunities to youth players. For me that is an integral part of the Manchester United identity.
However, I also know that at best only 10% of the lads in the academy are ever likely to get a real chance in the first team. While less than 10% of those who get that chance will actually make it in the first team for a multitude of reasons.
So out of 100 lads in the academy, 10 or so might actually get some games in the first team. Of those ten you'll be lucky if one of them turns out to be good enough to play regularly for the first team. Maybe a couple others might be okay as squad players for a year or two (but will eventually have to move on to have a career) .
Look at United over the past decade. McTominay and Rashford are the only ones to have actually made it at the club. Rashford being good enough to be a regular starter, while McTominay is a solid squad player.
Last season we had Mainoo and Garnacho really step up and look to readdress that and get more youngsters in the first team squad.
Hopefully there are a few more to come from a super talented group of players currently in the academy.
Collyer looks like he might be the McTominay replacement as one who goes on to become a good squad player. Although fingers crossed he kicks on and proves me wrong.
For most of the lads in the academy, becoming a solid squad player is likely the best they will achieve at our club (that isn't an insult, but is actually a compliment. The standards for our club need to be sky high, even for those on the bench) .
Maybe there is the chance that one or two of them possess the right level of ability, mentality and temperament, while also getting the luck they need to step up and make it as a starter. From what I've seen of the academy lads there are three who for me have the best chance. Harry Amass, Shea Lacey and Ethan Williams.
They all seem to possess that higher level talent, while they also play in positions both where there is potentially chances opening up with players leaving/ declining over the next couple of years, and in positions where it is easier to give young players a chance (wide rather than centrally) .
I think it's particularly hard for players who play down the spine of the team to make the jump up and breakthrough into the first team. Be that keeper, CB, CM or CF. These positions are too key to performance and results. Fullback and playing on the wings are much easier positions to breakthrough in.
11.) 30 Jul 2024 23:52:55
Thanks, that's a shame, I remember seeing him a few times a couple of years ago, and thinking he might end up in a similar mold to Ander Herrera, who was a big favourite of mine. But if he doesn't have the mentality, not much that can be done. Maybe he'll discover it as he matures.
12.) 31 Jul 2024 10:30:38
Agree there Shappy: Gary Neville has always said he was never the most talented, but made up for it with hard work and intelligence.
13.) 31 Jul 2024 11:36:48
Thorne, it's always a shame when a talented young player falls short of making it at our club, for whatever reason.
Hannibal I think is a classic case of a young player relying too heavily on their natural talent and not developing the rest of their game.
The tactical demands of the modern game at the top mean players cannot rely on individual brilliance if that isn't paired with the intelligence to follow tactical instructions and work as a team.
Players need to know how and when to press, where they need to be during different phases of play. While also having the reading of the game to know which phase they are in and what they need to do next depending on what happens.
For Hannibal I think it came too easy for him at youth level, he never had to move outside his comfort zone and push himself to develop all areas of his game.
He always looked like a player where it was a question of "when" will they breakthrough, rather than "will" they breakthrough.
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16 Apr 2025 21:49:48
So pleased for arsenal tonight.
I'd love to see them win the cl this season. They will have to beat 2 very good teams to do it.
1.) 16 Apr 2025 23:32:57
Can’t have Madrid so glad they’re out. Full of big time Charlie’s whereas Arsenal are a real team. Funny that mbappe left psg to win the UCL yet psg are still in it and Madrid are out. Funny that lol.
2.) 17 Apr 2025 00:01:09
Tremendous performance from Arsenal chuffed for them Villa as well what a go they had very unlucky. can't stand PSG or Madrid hopefully Arsenal win it now had a double on Villa and Rangers to win Champions league and Europa fcked now tho.
{Ed007's Note -
3.) 17 Apr 2025 00:16:29
Love to see all English sides do well in Europe. Not bad for a side with no striker lol.
4.) 17 Apr 2025 06:31:34
When Arsenal paid all that money for Rice I did wonder if he was worth that much, but he is becoming a phenomenal player who you build teams around. Would love to see Arsenal or Inter win it, good luck to them both.
5.) 17 Apr 2025 08:39:44
Thanks lads,
Good luck tonight, I will be cheering you on
See you on live chat.
6.) 17 Apr 2025 08:49:40
History with Arsenal during the Wenger days makes it really hard to want them to succeed. however I do like what Arteta is doing with the team, the faith the club has had in the process with him so would not begrudge them getting success.
All round it has been a good campaign in Eupope, let's hope that there are a couple of trophys at the end of it and we are holding one of them!
7.) 17 Apr 2025 12:26:25
I'd love to see PSG win it this year. Mbappe left to win it with Real Madrid, how funny would it be to see his old team lift the cup.
Also I actually like this new PSG project. Moving away from big time Charlie type signings and giving youth more of a chance. Luis Enrique is an excellent manager and he has them playing some great football. It'd be nice to see a club win a major tournament with a young squad with several homegrown talents in it.
8.) 17 Apr 2025 15:04:59
I have a stinking feeling after giving madrid a masterclass arsenal will go on to underestimate PSG and lose over two legs.
9.) 17 Apr 2025 16:54:13
I think Barcelona have their name on the trophy this year.
10.) 17 Apr 2025 17:18:09
Barca this year, got great manager, even though some on here did not want him! And got a striker…. makes a hell of a difference.
11.) 17 Apr 2025 19:28:18
Having no striker didn’t seem to prevent Arsenal tanking Madrid 5-1 on aggregate lol.
12.) 18 Apr 2025 05:46:28
Even Arsenal no striker is much better than our no striker! Our striker is as effective as a ball boy, you need him there but he don’t actually do a lot, and that’s being unkind to the ball boy/ girl.
10 Mar 2025 00:29:57
I'd like to touch on a much maligned player by all of us over the past 12 months.
Casimero.
He was given a crazy contract. He had to accept the offer. We paid way to high a fee also. Not his fault.
There have been some very bad games from him for a period his form was bad for both eth and amorim this season and for a lot of last season.
However over the last 4 months unlike a few we won't mention not once has he stopped trying, not once has he said anything disrespectful not once has he not acted like a leader. We saw the best of what he can offer today. In big games he is usually able to bring out a big performance.
There is no way anybody can say he is happy to pick up a wage and not play. He does play with his heart on his sleeve and I admire that about him. A players player I've not heard any team mate past or present speak I'll of him or him of anybody else. i'd love him to be able to do it every week twice a week and I think he would love to be able to too. Time waits for no man so it would be great if he moves on. If he decides to see out his contract that's his perogative, I suppose I'm saying we could be stuck with a whole lot worse.
1.) 10 Mar 2025 07:49:02
Ken, I think his professionalism is never in doubt and he was good midweek too.
If you limit the ground he has to cover, he can still do a job. It is better he leaves given the contract like you say, but he has every right to see it out too.
2.) 10 Mar 2025 10:09:45
Spot on Caolan.
He is first and foremost a professional, who has built a legacy for himself with his achievements.
His performance issues during games at United I largely put down to being played in a way that leaves him exposed. When he isn't exposed and can show his actually skill, he is still arguably one of the best players on the pitch.
3.) 10 Mar 2025 10:47:05
Playing centre back without complaint too.
4.) 10 Mar 2025 12:19:39
Hopefully he can continue to play like this for the remainder of the season. It might make the Saudi clubs take note and make a decent offer for him.
5.) 10 Mar 2025 14:35:16
Saudi can offer what they like, I don’t think he fancies that move at all, don’t blame him either, man as won everything over and over!
6.) 10 Mar 2025 14:43:19
And a lovely human being by all accounts.
7.) 10 Mar 2025 16:53:29
Well said ken.
07 Mar 2025 07:38:13
By the end of this summer window how many of the following players will still be united players?
Onana, bayidir, Shaw, deligt maguire dalot, lindelof Evans malacia casimero, ericksen, garnacho zirkzee rasmus rashford sancho?
Part B. How many will be united players at the end of the summer window next season?
When you come to your answers if they are anything like mine it just shows you how bad a squad we have.
Part A 4
Part B 0
Mad isn't it.
Who put that lot together ?? Jose has a couple in there 2 from the academy ole has a couple lvg 1. Eth 9 .
1.) 07 Mar 2025 10:43:03
Under PSR, it can sometimes be more financially beneficial for a club to keep a player on high wages for the remainder of their contract rather than sell them at a loss. This is because the transfer fee for a player is amortized over the length of their contract, and selling for less than the purchase price can lead to a significant financial loss, negatively impacting the club's financials. Retaining the player avoids recognizing this loss and can be a more stable option, even if it means paying high wages.
Given Ineos' focus on balancing the books, I believe they would prefer to keep some players rather than declare additional losses. I think players like Heaton, Bayindir, Lindelöf, Johnny Evans, Eriksen, Rashford, Sancho, and Antony will likely be moved on. However, it’s hard to see many other players leaving without high offers coming in (with Casemiro potentially moving to Saudi Arabia, for example) .
I also hope Ineos begins to adopt a Chelsea-like approach by moving on academy players who won’t make the cut but can still contribute to PSR as 100% profit.
2.) 07 Mar 2025 12:07:16
That's true kurtis but the break even on cas is 15m. Sancho 27m. Onana 26m malacia 4m zirkzee 22 rasmus 38m. Bayidir 1.8m deligt 28m
Any fee received for Maguire dalot garnacho rashford Shaw is 100% profit.
Cas may survive and onana is probably the other major concern in that regard.
3.) 07 Mar 2025 13:03:47
9 remaining from that list at the end of the next window. 7 min.
Onana, Shaw, deligt, maguire, dalot, lindelof, garnacho, zirkzee rasmus.
By the end of next summer I still see 3-4.
deligt, dalot, garnacho.
Other than Chelsea last season, I can't recall a Prem team ever having a mass exodus on the scale being predicted.
4.) 07 Mar 2025 13:07:58
Isn’t PSR getting replaced after next season anyway to only being able to spend 70 percent of your income on footballing finances and then 65 percent if in Europe.
Other than sancho who is obligated to leave the likes of rashford, Casemiro, Anthony, Mount, will be hard to sell these players with the wages they are on
Can see us loaning rashford again in the summer and being stuck with Casemiro till his contract expires
Evan’s
Linder
Heaton
Erickson are all leaving on a free transfer
Rashford casimiro Antony are all on 200k plus
Then the likes of Mount and shaw who are always injured no one will buy those 2
If we can get the bigger wages off the books while still able to get fees then it shouldn’t look to bad financially
We just need to be smart in the window and get the right players in.
I think Onana stays and Casemiro unless Saudi come in with a good offer on wages and like you say we will want to get some kind of fee.
We also have the prospect of getting money for greenwood if he ends up being sold as part of the deal when we sold him
I don’t think the finances are as bad as everyone is reporting maybe the club are leaking info so we don’t get over charged could be a tactic the club are using
But wages for underperforming players need to be addressed.
We’re giving salah type money for average type performances.
5.) 07 Mar 2025 14:03:45
That has been changed due to legal challenges on the new proposals despite being voted in bolger. as I understand it.
6.) 07 Mar 2025 14:05:45
I have mount as a stay if he can stay fit he would be a really good player for us I think. Big if there I know.
7.) 07 Mar 2025 12:51:21
I came here looking for Shappy because he's still ignoring me in our WhatsApp chat, but this has blown my mind. You've listed most of your squad and managed to miss off two of the biggest issues; Martinez and Mount.
You're carrying too many non-contributors. Shaw, Malacia, Martinez and Mount are the priorities to replace. Followed by Evans, Casemiro and Eriksen who are OAP's and shouldn't be anywhere near a Premier League football pitch. You literally just need to replace those 7 players as a starting point and then you'll be able to fairly judge the others in a years time.
Sancho, Rashford and Antony you just have to write off. They're no longer United players far as I've concerned but you've already replaced them. You have Bruno, Garnacho and Diallo for the inside forward/ AM positions and Hojlund, Zirkzee and Obi for your striker positions. Replace Mount so you have a 4th option behind the strikers and then back your youth. Otherwise you'll just end up with another Carreras/ Gomes situation, where you're kicking yourselves for not being patient.
You've listed like 17 people there mate. That's a squad that's won 2 trophies in 2 years when playing to their strengths. Amorim is just trying to instil a new system without a pre-season amidst an injury crisis. United can't keep tearing up the entire squad every couple of years. That's why you are perpetually in transition.
I really don't think that Onana, Bayindir, Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot, De Ligt, Zirkzee, Hojlind, Garnacho etc are immediate issues. Just by the mere fact they'll go on the pitch and fight for the badge (unlike the 7 players I've listed who can't get on the pitch to fight or are too old to fight when they do) . I get it's been a hard season and guys like me poking fun at you probably doesn't help, but you've got to rise above it and support your team. You can't realistically believe that throwing out 16 players (not even including Martinez, Mount and Antony) in the next 12-18 months is a legitimate approach.
8.) 07 Mar 2025 14:58:22
Adam you know shappy won't reply if he has to admit he is wrong on something it's not in his nature he finds it near impossible to do.
It's tricky selling players like monut and martinez as they are injured do you think they're will be takers for martinez with his cruciate issue. I think not hence left off the saleable list.
Of the 17 6 will be out of contract in the timescale mentioned sancho is obligated to Chelsea and rashford will be sold. As well garnacho due to the profit he will generate. Bit like couthino when he left you guys. Keeper and high earners like casimero and rashford maguire are the biggest issues. I'll bet you that there will be no more than 3 of those at united by end of summer window 26. I wouldn't be surprised to see none there at all.
9.) 07 Mar 2025 15:03:33
They'll be desperate to get Luke Shaw and Mason Mount fit, even if only for a sale, which in Shaw's case would be all profit. Onana was a mistake, but it's one we may have to live with for another year. Lindelof, Evans and Eriksen will leave at the end of end of their contracts. Heaven will come through. Keeping Maguire for another year obviated the need to go out into the market and spend £50m + £15m in wages for an immediate replacement. In other words Maguire is half the price of a top replacement in 2025/ 6.
We also need to consider that we're a bottom half club committed to an unproven system, with no European football in all likelihood. That reduces the pool of candidates. On the other hand it reduces the number of games the team will be committed to play meaning we could manage with a slightly smaller squad. I can see us selling one of Garnacho or Mainoo for pure and significant profit. Mainoo has obviously been hampered by injuries all season. We have no idea what Amorim thinks of his potential. Garnacho just seems to be a player who needs to gain confidence in front of goal. If he can't up his strike rate he won't be of much use.
Hopefully someone will buy Rashford and Antony, and Chelsea are committed to buying Sancho. We'll be looking at a significant drop in revenue next season if we don't win the Europa. That's going to make balancing the books even harder. So many of our costs are fixed. There's going to need to be some pretty savvy purchasing in terms of summer if we're going to improve the squad and keep the finances in order.
10.) 07 Mar 2025 19:06:46
Add mainoo to list. utd will sell him for max profit and with him rejecting his offer. club can blame mainoo and cash in. wouldn't be surprised to see nancho gone too. they only seem to care about cashing in now.
04 Mar 2025 20:18:51
I've been reading lots of stories about Marcus rashford, 's scintillating form since he left United to go to Villa on loan. How we have egg on our faces due to him returning to his best.
Just a quick glance shows he has scored 0 goals.
Aston villa have scored more goals when he has been off the pitch than when he has been on it.
I've read he has had 5 shots on target since his arrival 3 of those in one game.
Aston villa have conceded less goals with him off the pitch then they have with him on it.
I think he has 3 or 4 assists which is not at all bad but 4 goal involvements is hardly scintillating. Form.
Since he has left he has been outscored by maguire deligt Bruno zirkzee ugarte.
To prove how fantastic and scintillating he has been he has equaled the goal scoring feats of rasmus and onana.
I'd like to see him do a lot better so that we can sell him a bit easier in the summer.
1.) 04 Mar 2025 20:49:43
Hope he does well, decides to go somewhere other than Villa and we get 80M for him.
2.) 04 Mar 2025 20:50:15
Always the narrative tumble… media love to put us down
Just like sancho was on fire and look at what’s he’s done nothing
But let’s hope they keep saying he’s amazing so we can sell for more.
3.) 04 Mar 2025 20:58:33
Quiet down you’ll ruin the media driven anti United agenda. I’ve watched rashford at villa and while he’s been better he’s hardly set the world alight. The bar for him was so low it’s nearly impossible not to be better, move about, look interested and smile a bit and touve turned the corner ?♂️?.
4.) 04 Mar 2025 22:04:21
I've watched his games, he's looked very lively and will do well no matter where he goes. He is contributing. Good on him, top player.
Still a hell of a lot better than any forward option we have. How many goals had he scored for us before leaving?
5.) 04 Mar 2025 22:06:12
3/ 4 of the games in the premier League have been second half substitute appearances. 4 assists, not bad at all.
6.) 04 Mar 2025 23:23:06
3 assists altogether
2 in epl
1 in facup
Not a bad return as you say angel as he has been a sub or subbed in most games but not worthy of the claim that he is back to his best.
I think a good move to the right club and he will do quite well. I'm hoping he does anyway I think he has good abilities but the best players don't blow as hot and cold as he does.
7.) 05 Mar 2025 01:33:58
Stats don’t include the affect on player and team morale. The players need to be all in it together, yet Rashford attitude hasn’t looked right at all for a long time. I hope he gets his move to Barcelona and we get £80m.
8.) 05 Mar 2025 03:34:47
He has the backing of a major media agency, hopefully they add 25m to his value. So we get 27.5 million then ?.
9.) 05 Mar 2025 08:02:09
Not at all ken. But I'm sure if he keeps the head down, he will be fine. I've watched all his games barring last night and he has looked very good and more like himself, always doubled up on and creating space for teammates, has a few assists and should've had a couple of goals had it not been for some good goalkeeping and luck.
He's been in a poor united set up now since LVG and yet has always been one of our best players. He just had enough and wanted out. I don't think the club did enough to protect him or protect the players in general to be honest.
Interesting to hear Varanes take that the club don't do enough for the players either like Real Madrid.
I think that's one of the most unfortunate things since SAFs departure. The mentality of us v everyone else and how he looked after the players.
Marcus rashford should be here at this club but won't be. Wishing him all the best.
10.) 05 Mar 2025 08:45:24
Let's be honest, his attitude has been appauling. Going to Villa and starting to play how we know he can, truly shows how petulant and selfish he really is.
He clearly plays on his own terms and will consequently sulk.
I hope we get £55 million plus in the summer for him.
11.) 05 Mar 2025 08:55:18
Red man, rashford is gone, only Bruno now to go and the environment will be a lot better ?.
12.) 05 Mar 2025 10:31:21
MH, when you work in a shocking environment for so long, you will be dragged down to that level. I'm surprised he done so well to be honest. He set himself such high standards that when he didn't hit them, we hammered him.
Yet since being cast aside by RA, no other player in our team has stepped up and we look worse off without him.
13.) 05 Mar 2025 11:42:06
Rashford and top player don't go in the same sentence.
14.) 05 Mar 2025 13:02:53
anglered - do you think it's just a coincidence that all this environment stuff etc started pretty much at the same time that Rashford become a first team player and got worse year on year?
I do agree that if you are in said environment it will drag you down but all alarm bells are showing is he is part of why the environment of the club is in a mess. he's not even that great of player to have such power. He is average far more than he is good.
15.) 05 Mar 2025 13:53:04
Dio, you saying it's Marcus Rashfords fault that all these signings haven't worked out and we look worse than ever? That's a massive over reach.
Club have failed him and many other players IMO. It's no coincidence we see other players thrive in different environments.
But pinning it on an academy graduate who has been at this club 20 years, completely laughable.
16.) 05 Mar 2025 17:04:44
Suffering he should not be sold given his compelling abject form and behaviour is laughable. Your stick in the past angel got to move on.
17.) 06 Mar 2025 01:59:55
angel
Rashford had to go for attitudes issues. Bruno was not an attitude as such, although he isn’t a captain, roles around as if shot and whines a lot at refs. He simply had to step up from constantly giving the ball away or fouls in dangerous positions. He seems better but still think he needs to improve.
28 Feb 2025 12:38:27
Just for fun rank our 6 worst and 6 best signings from the lists below.
Good. Cantona keane Bruno ddg stam Rooney.
Worst. Anthony onana veron Di Maria pogba Shaw
I'd rank as follows
Cantona
Keane
Rooney
Stam
Ddg
Bruce
Worst
Onana
Anthony
Dimaria
Veron
Shaw
Pogba
Lots and lots of other contenders for each category so just picked the names at random.
1.) 28 Feb 2025 13:40:27
Lindelof and Maguire before Shaw.
2.) 28 Feb 2025 13:43:33
I wouldn’t put DiMaria as one of our worst signings. Even though he hated Manchester, the club got their money back.
Onana is the worst signing by far. Even overpaying for Antony by about 70m didn’t do as much damage as bringing in that waster.
Would have Irwin on the best signing list too. Peanuts for a world class fullback.
3.) 28 Feb 2025 14:52:13
Ever?
Or just 87+?
If it's the latter then, for me:
Best
1. Irwin.
2. Schmeichel.
3. Bruce.
4. Ronaldo.
5. Cantona.
6. Rooney.
Worst
1. Bebe.
2. Antony.
3. Massimo Taibi.
4. Eric Djemba-Djemba.
5. David Bellion.
6. Alexis Sanchez.
4.) 28 Feb 2025 15:04:27
Best:
Cantona, Keane, Ronaldo, Stam, Vidic
Worst:
Maguire, Antony, Sancho, Van De Beek, Alexis Sanchez.
5.) 28 Feb 2025 16:18:18
I would love if we were able to sign someone like Veron now, tumble. I liked him.
6.) 28 Feb 2025 16:55:44
worst are surely Antony Hoijlund VBD Onana and Sanchez best Ronaldo Keane Robson Schmeichel Cantona.
7.) 28 Feb 2025 17:48:07
Really liked him myself banjoe. One of those that failed and I could not understand why.
8.) 28 Feb 2025 19:01:30
Best
Robson Schmeichel Irwin Ronaldo Keane
Worst
Pogba
Onana
Sanchez
Hojlund
Di Maria.
9.) 28 Feb 2025 20:08:47
Bit harsh on poor old Veron ending up amongst some of these wastoids! I’d put Schweiny before him.
10.) 01 Mar 2025 01:05:45
Berbatov has to be up there for me. Absolute class player. He still looks the part now!
11.) 01 Mar 2025 06:40:53
Best: Rooney, Vidic, Van der Sar, Keane, Ronaldo, Cantona
Worst: Bebe, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Powell, Jones, Shaw.
12.) 01 Mar 2025 11:21:38
Best:
Law, Robson, Cantona, Keene, Schmeichel, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Stam, Vidic, Irwin. Ruud.
Worst:
Antony, Onana, Hojlund, Dalot, Maguire, VDB.
13.) 01 Mar 2025 14:01:50
For me -
Best
Rooney, Cantona, Schmeichel, Keane, Vidic
Worst
Antony, Sanchez, Onana, Hojland, VdB.
14.) 02 Mar 2025 16:36:33
For best it really depends on your criteria, biggest impact, longevity, cost.
If balancing all of those then I'd probably say in no particular order, Cantona, Keane, Irwin, Ronaldo, VDS, and Rooney.
While Schmeichel was a phenomenal keeper for us, I actually think VDS was the better keeper. He also came in at a time where it seemed impossible to be successful as a keeper at United. He absolutely bossed it and was a key part of probably our best ever defence. Calm, authoritative, excellent communication, great at playing out from the back and probably one of the best shot stoppers in the world. He was a transformative signing at that time.
In terms of the 6 worst, again I'll balance it out rather than just name the 6 poorest players we have signed. Players like Tiabi or Bebe for example were awful players, but neither was signed for a big fee, with much fanfare or to be an integral part of the team.
For me the 6 worst are, Sanchez (just shocking),
Antony (Brazilian my arse),
Donny (I'm not sure how you go from being a Balon d'Or contender before signing to leaving for 500k),
Pogba (left for free twice, we paid a huge fee for him, he consistently disappointed and caused issues behind the scenes),
Sancho (huge fee paid, massive hype, been very poor and caused problems),
Shaw (Good when he plays for the most part, but just cannot be relied upon to stay fit. He goes to bed fine and wakes up injured) .
There are others that could be considered, Lukaku, Di Maria, Veron, Barthez, Onana, Maguire, Fellaini, Hargreaves, AWB, Schweinsteiger and Mount (although if he can get fit and stay fit he could yet turn it around) .
24 Mar 2025 21:29:22
If we get 5m from Chelsea and his book value is 15m i think we will easily find a taker that will risk 15 m. Bd and bayer leverkusen are both said to be interested.
He imo is not a problem anymore. No matter how it shakes up we shouldn't incur a loss on his book value which is key.
13 Feb 2025 16:48:24
Ports. A contract is a binding agreement between 2 or more parties. If any party wants to change that they can with agreement from all parties. Maguire didn't refuse to move unless West ham met his demands he refused to move unless the club compensated him for wanting to move him from his contract early.
Employment laws are there to protect employees and employers.
Liverpool are not boring to the demands of players because they can't afford to and won't put themselves in a vulnerableposition and i agree with you and they're stance on that. Look what happened at Leeds and what's happened now at united because of stupid contracts given to players.
It's not power it's not authority it's just a case of honouri g the legally binding agreement between both parties.
13 Feb 2025 16:40:54
What contract has rashford walked away from?
Sancho was sold at his agreement he has walked away from nothing.
You can't just stop paying someone if you don't want to. Don't be daft.
Contracts are binding until both parties agree to move on. If either party wants to stay then they are entitled to do that unless they are paid up or settle.
You can ask to leave or be made stay. You can be fired but you must be compensated in line with the contract.
RA asked to be let out of his contract and the club were Compensated by us he didn't walk away. I'm not sure you understand contract and employment law if you think people can just walk away without agreement.
13 Feb 2025 14:36:38
Ports anybody that has a contract is entitled to see it out its not about power. Thankfully we don't live in a world where you can just walk away from your obligations to abide by contracts.
As for scourers having a wage bill higher than ours??? they are not even in the top 4 in the epl and have a wage bill about 32.5% lower than ours. Absolute nonsense above.
Psg Madrid and bayern are top 3 in Europe followed by city and ourselves which are very close Liverpool are 10th. City only Overton us this season.
13 Feb 2025 12:42:59
Players with contracts cannot be forced out it's not a case of allowing them to stay. Players with contracts are entitled to stay.
19 Apr 2025 16:30:46
Ports I've all the patience in the world for the right people. This is the 1st manager we have had since fergie that has the vision and courage of his convictions. If it's the wrong person like it was with ole and eth then I've zero patience because they were the wrong person. It took a while for the penny to drop with eth for some but he was never the man he had not got the qualities required .
19 Apr 2025 13:18:34
Angel still ploughing you own little furrow. Lovely to see. Really quite amusing. Amorim and eth have the exact same points per game this season although eth won no euro games and we would be out long ago if eth had stayed.
League is irrelevant for the rest of this season. He will continue to risk resting players and keep the focus on the EL in the outside chance we have to win it.
The team will do better next season once some of the awful dross eth brought in is sold off.
Bruno should continue to improve under better direction and the team as a whole will improve next year.
This won't suit the here and now cry babies that don't have the patience understanding and vision but real football fans can see and understand it.
18 Apr 2025 23:08:51
Tohats s not true ed025 you and I both know we would put onana in the Liverpool team in the morning.
{Ed025's Note - we would ken...im not sure Slot would though mate.. :)
18 Apr 2025 20:41:22
That 99 final was a shocking night too gds2 furious I was.
18 Apr 2025 20:06:58
Come on gnev. Maguire had a couple of great moments last night. Credit where it's due.
He has showed good character and been a good squad member.
Nobody is saying he has suddenly turned into a great player but he had great moments last night and I am pleased for him.
If everybody in the squad was as strong mentally as him we would be in a better place.
He has earned those moments last night. Fair play to him.