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14 Aug 2025 11:54:01
Looks like collyer going on loan to West brom
Good for him hope he does well.
1.) 14 Aug 2025 14:11:45
Best idea for him at hopefully a top championship club. Will either mean he comes back ready to compete or we are able to sell on.
Good luck to him.
2.) 14 Aug 2025 15:30:34
Even more depleted in central midfield then. Surely there has to be another coming in.
3.) 14 Aug 2025 16:13:37
If you believe Cameroonian media outlets, then there is ballons!
4.) 14 Aug 2025 16:42:32
Even before Collyer we were light in midfield, maybe not from a numbers point of view, but certainly in terms of the quality needed in that area.
We would have Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno in his likely new role and then from youth we would have Kone when he recovers. All for 2 spots. Bruno is a guarantee starter, so it’s one more needed. Unfortunately none of the others have the skills or talent required. So a new player is definitely needed.
I would say there is 0.1% chance of Baleba happening due to the £100m+ valuation.
Seen Wharton mentioned recently, but I’d imagine Palace will have a similar valuation. So probably another with zero chance.
Guess it’s down to whether the club want to go with a player way down their list of targets or wait it out until next season.
I’m hoping they break the bank for Baleba, but I’m not hopeful.
5.) 14 Aug 2025 18:54:08
Why zero chance fall guy have you been listening to the back of fag packet know it alls on here about we have no money!
6.) 14 Aug 2025 20:19:21
While I'd like to think that Collyer going on loan must mean we are signing a midfielder I sadly expect that it was always the case that one of Collyer or Kone would go out on loan to get game time this season.
We play with a midfield pivot, meaning there will only be two places up for grabs. Which without European games reduces the amount of rotation we need to make.
We have Casemiro, Ugarte, Bruno and Mainoo nailed down as the four senior options. Really we need one youth option who will play under 23's most weeks but can come into the first team squad for some games to cover for injuries.
They seem to have made the decision to keep Kone with the squad and develop him in house this season. They seemed to come to this conclusion while on tour, which makes sense that a couple of weeks after we've got back we are hearing about loan deals being lined up for Collyer.
That said I still think we will sign Baleba. I just think that one of Collyer or Kone was always going to go out on loan regardless this season to get the senior game time they need.
7.) 14 Aug 2025 20:54:14
Didn’t say zero chance. Almost zero though.
It’s been widely reported that Brighton will want north of £100m. Although this is unconfirmed it’s likely fairly true based on what Chelsea paid for Caicedo.
They don’t have to sell so are unlikely to reduce the price.
United aren’t going out spending that kind of money this window.
21 Jul 2025 17:36:44
Looks like vietek and Harrison are both leaving on loan again. Really important for young keepers to get experience.
There was some suggestions on here that they play a part of our 1st team squad this season. I for one am glad that's not happening i hope they both get good game time and start learning their trade. Its the one position that we rarely young kids get experience in the epl.
1.) 21 Jul 2025 17:50:05
It was clear they both need loan time, no way we can stick a rookie in goal, Chido needs to go loan too, he not ready to be our number 9 1st or 2nd choice.
I know some think pick the kids, but really probably only 1 maybe 2 might be good enough.
They need the experience I would say the same with Leon too, he is not Roberto Carlos like he thinks, quit yet.
2.) 21 Jul 2025 19:49:11
Agree on obi but not Leon he had been playing mens diurnal for a year so a bit ahead. Only saw him for 45 min but he looks very aggressive and maturity in his play beyond his age.
Wide areas are also easier for younger players in a lot of cases.
3.) 22 Jul 2025 00:40:50
Are you already suggesting Leon has an attitude issue? Why does he think he’s roberto Carlos?
4.) 22 Jul 2025 09:44:14
I don't think anyone was seriously suggesting that the academy keepers be first choice, just given a run out in pre-season to see if they could be a squad option if needed.
Although I fully agree that they are much better placed having a loan for a season and playing mens football regularly.
Chido in an ideal world would also be better off with a loan, but with a dearth of options at the club then he will probably get more chances here this season then he probably should at this stage.
Diego Leon has been playing senior football for a while and is far more ready than the others mentioned. Like Ken said playing wide is also easier for young players with less pressure. It might have only been 45 minutes but he does look more ready to play at this level than Amass does. So I can understand why the club are looking to loan Amass and keep Leon.
Ultimately all youngsters will have rough edges to their game that needs rounding out, and they will make mistakes. How they learn from them ultimately determines the player they become.
We have a lot of talented young players in our first team squad, players like Yoro, Heaven, Fredricson, Dorgu, Leon, Mainoo, Collyer, Kone, Amad, Chido and Højlund.
Not all will make it at the highest level, even the ones that ultimately do, will make mistakes along the way.
We need to get behind them and support them rather than tear them down, I can assure you they will do that enough by themselves. We forget what it was like to be a young man trying to find his place in the world, second guessing ourselves, and repeatedly going over our mistakes. Even the ones who portray confidence bordering on arrogance are internally questioning themselves.
I also think that this modern world of social media only amplifies the negatives around people and their actions. Which given the way the younger generations are glued to their phones probably makes it that much harder for young footballers who will likely see a lot of the negative options on them that float around social media.
I do know of a couple of young EPL footballers whose management team around them ban the player from all social media for 3 days after they play any senior game to protect them both from the negatives and the hype that tends to follow. To give them space to reflect on their performance themselves and with they're coaches to form their opinions before they get influenced by the views on social media.
As fans as supposed "supporters" we probably should think before we type in frustration. Will our anger and negativity have a positive effect if the young player reads it? Probably not, in reality it'll probably have a negative impact. Especially if it is one of thousands saying the same thing.
Players in their mid-twenties with over 200 professional games under their belt should have the emotional maturity and experience to handle criticism and to be able to put it in context. Teenagers or lads just entering their twenties will likely not yet have that emotional maturity or experience.
Maybe imagine that if the player was your son, how would you want thousands of people to react, and what would you want them to say about a poor performance from him? Then maybe respond like that.
The best advice I ever received was "a wise man stays silent when angry" as words said in anger cannot be taken back, and often cause irreparable damage.
5.) 22 Jul 2025 21:34:23
German how do you know what Leon thinks?
6.) 23 Jul 2025 06:32:00
Ken the same way you seem to know how we all think!
7.) 23 Jul 2025 21:40:53
Great to see you can read and write Shappy :-)
I was one of those who suggested lifting some youth to the first team, and also supplementing with a Lammens or Garcia - with the view that both Onana and Bayendir were being shipped out - that isn't the case now it seems.
For those who can't read - try to read between the lines and you may be less obtrusive in your responses.
8.) 24 Jul 2025 10:37:40
Jimbo, I think at the end of the season there was a lot of unknowns around our keepers.
Heaton was out of contract, Bayindir showed himself to not being up to challenging Onana. While Onana continued to struggle (although I do feel that it is being overstated/ hyped about how much he has struggled) .
Under such circumstances where we could have lost all three first team keepers it made perfect sense to bring in two new keepers and promote an academy keeper to be third choice. However, that isn't what has happened.
While I don't think Onana is anywhere near as bad as he is being made out, he will need replacing. The trouble is that we won't be able to move him on this year. Partially because of his high wages and the fee we paid for him means we need a significant fee for him. But also because the hype in the press and on social media about how poor he's been will have put off any potential buyers.
That's something we don't consider enough as fans, but what we say about our players online does reverberate across the football landscape more so than a lot of other fan bases. We are partially responsible for creating the narrative around our players and that narrative will impact potential buyers for our players.
This was definitely the case when it came to selling Mason Greenwood. The noise out fans made around him and the whole situation only added fuel to the fire which definitely impacted other clubs who were looking at him. We helped create the negativity around him that made fans of other clubs not want him to sign for their club which definitely put some teams off as they didn't want the public backlash from their fans.
Look at Nicolas Jackson for example, he's a very good player, but one who struggles with one aspect as a striker. Yet the majority of the negativity around him online doesn't actually come from Chelsea fans. As such they will still be able to get a good fee for him (more than they paid for him) . Now if he'd been at United for the past couple of seasons he'd probably be spoken about in a similar way to how Højlund has been. Which would make it almost impossible for us to sell him for even what we paid for him let alone a profit.
We want to sell Højlund, but can anyone hand on heart say that if they were in charge of another club and having heard what United fans say about him that they would be interested in signing him?
Ultimately some signings work out and others don't. United fans have a habit of writing off every one that doesn't as the biggest flop in history and speak about them like they aren't even Sunday league level.
Yet in reality a lot of our "flops" in recent years have gone on to be successful elsewhere.
I suspect many of Onana, Antony, Rashford, and Højlund etc will have very successful careers when they leave us.
Yet all have been spoken about by United fans as if it's a miracle that they ever managed to become professional footballers.
With Onana now unlikely to leave and with Heaton signing a new one year deal it looks like Bayindir will be the only one to leave. With us looking to sign a higher quality keeper to come in and challenge Onana for the No.1 spot. Which gives us no room in the first team squad for a young academy keeper, so it's best they leave on loan.
With a bit of luck the new keeper we sign this summer steps up and takes Onana's place and then he moves on next summer. Probably along with Heaton retiring. At which point with two keepers leaving we sign one and promote one of the lads who have hopefully had a good season on loan this year.
9.) 26 Jul 2025 05:51:04
It’s not the fans so much, but the Manager and RA in this respect as devalued his own players considerably, TBF no one pays much attention to fans ramblings when they are buying or valuing a player, but they certainly do to a fellow professional (manager) when he says they have crap attitude, not good at this or that, that certainly devalues a player, did he think he was adding millions to there value with such naive remarks!
RA not helped himself here.
18 Jul 2025 17:42:47
Amass left out of pre season tour. Either a loan or full sale incoming. Leon is impressing in training apparently.
1.) 18 Jul 2025 18:08:53
Not really a surprise.
I like Amass, but he does seem to lack that physical edge for the EPL - hopefully he just goes out on loan, maybe that could bring out that extra level.
For the sake of his career though, in light of how quickly Leon is settling and showing, he needs regular minutes.
Best of luck to him.
2.) 18 Jul 2025 19:19:22
Send him to Blackburn and toughen him up ? i like him, there's talent there.
3.) 18 Jul 2025 20:27:24
Sell him with a few clauses inserted.
4.) 18 Jul 2025 20:40:32
He's going on loan I believe.
5.) 18 Jul 2025 21:16:59
The last young left back we sold has ended up at Real Madrid….
6.) 18 Jul 2025 21:26:38
I'd imagine a loan, he's got talent, he's just a little lightweight right now. He needs to grow into his body, that'll take time.
7.) 18 Jul 2025 21:48:39
I think that’s fair Shappy. He looks too small right now. Some adult first team action elsewhere will sort that out.
8.) 19 Jul 2025 03:20:58
If I was a betting man, I would say Leon will have cemented his position as LWB by Xmas. Dorgu will be understudy. Come next summer, the conundrum will be do we stick or twist with Amass/ Dorgu. 3 into 2 doesn't work.
9.) 19 Jul 2025 10:05:35
He is not going to be sold, a loan to a Championship team is the intention.
They want him playing regularly, he needs this to happen as physicality is his issue, not ability.
He is still highly regarded at the club. Indeed one of the reasons Alvaro Carreras was allowed to leave was that the club felt that Amass had a higher potential ability ceiling. Also, it needs to be remembered that Alvaro requested a transfer and the club would not want to keep a youngster who expressed a desire to leave.
10.) 19 Jul 2025 11:02:01
That's a bold statement to make about a player you have never even seen play before jimbo.
11.) 19 Jul 2025 11:39:25
Very bold statement, whilst I agree Dorgu will only be understudy, it’s something to say that’s to a player we never ever seen play regularly in the EPL, but of course the kid talks like he is Roberto Carlos just hope he can back it up. But to imagine he will be first choice is a stretch by Christmas… hope it’s right, but I think maybe wishful thinking more than reality.
12.) 19 Jul 2025 21:27:24
Ken/ GSC, he is competing against Dorgu who looks lost at times.
They will fight it out, but he looks the part, and talks the talk.
We will see by Xmas.
13.) 20 Jul 2025 01:40:45
Dorgu was the best player today, hopefully a sign of things to come now he’s settled, the kid is a workhorse.
14.) 20 Jul 2025 09:53:04
I think some people have been very quick to right Dorgu off. He was highly rated when he signed, and he clearly has all the right qualities to be a very successful signing.
But joining a club in January makes it very hard to for a player to be instantly successful. Vidic and Evra had a pretty poor start to their United careers after joining in January. While they also had the luxury of joining a very good United side full of quality players and under arguably our best ever manager. They were also several years older than Dorgu with far more experience to lean on and help them early on in their United career. Even with all of those extra benefits they still struggled, and arguably had less of an impact in their first 5 months as United players.
Dorgu looked very good yesterday. He is now more settled at the club, he is having a pre-season with us, getting to grips with the tactical demands from the manager, settling better with his teammates and building those on field relationships.
I think he'll have a very good season with us. Obviously he'll make mistakes from time to time and his performance levels will not be consistent, as you'd expect from any 20 year old. He'll cement his place as the first choice LWB this year.
Luke Shaw looks like he'll be played at LCB, which makes the most sense for me. The wingback positions is the most physically demanding position on the pitch, and while Shaw's skillset looks well suited to the role, we know his body doesn't stand up well to the physical demands at LB let alone the more demanding wingback role. Maybe playing LCB is his best chance of actually staying fit, although I feel that might just be a fools hope.
Amass will almost certainly head out on loan, he needs to play regularly at senior level to develop his physicality. He's a little on the small side, but the real problem is he doesn't know how to use his body at this level. His small stature should give him a lower centre of gravity and make him harder to push off the ball, but he doesn't know how to use his weight correctly right now and is getting bundled off the ball far too easily. A year in the championship should do him wonders.
Diego Leon impressed yesterday in spells, but was clearly still getting to grips with the club and the increase in speed and the physical demands in Europe compared to South America. I think he'll stay as the understudy to Dorgu this season.
Next summer depending on how both Leon and Amass have done the club will have a decision to make about whether to let one leave either permanently or on loan, or maybe both and look to buy another LWB if neither show that they have what is required.
Dorgu though I'm fairly confident will have shown himself to be a very good player for us by this time next year.
15.) 20 Jul 2025 16:08:39
Why do supporters try to judge players and likeness them to another from a past era. it’s quite pathetic If Dorgu becomes half the players Evra and Vidic was it will be something and we have to be fair he not looked great so far, I seem to remember someone mentioning Shaw was world class!
I know supporters love the romance of kids breaking through, some were even saying one of them for GK and Chido for striker neither are ready yet that’s quite clear
I still say pound to a penny, Dalot will be RB number 1 choice and Dorgu was only bought for back up
We need to buy some Pace and some experience, for CB Midfield and CF, they are all necessary 100%.
16.) 20 Jul 2025 21:50:43
I been told by a relative that Preston want him on loan for the season, good club, good fans have good links to all big clubs in NE.
17.) 20 Jul 2025 23:10:53
GSC your above post implies Dorgu is backup to Dalot. they play on opposite sides of the pitch fella.
18.) 23 Jul 2025 17:42:26
You need to read up on Dorgu and his favoured position from his own words.
Dorgu can play left or right, in fact states he prefers right, but I did not imply back up to where, just he bought to be a back up…simples.
23 Jun 2025 22:10:31
BBC reporting we are in advanced talks with al nassar for casimero. No figures mentioned. Maybe a gift for ronaldo signing his contract. Selling him for 10.m +And saving 18m on wages would be a dream result.
With the new financial year kicking in i think it likely we will see some sales and income coming in from 1st July.
They in turn will help unlock some expenditure. Should be a very busy 21 days.
1.) 24 Jun 2025 02:10:56
Kinda torn on this one. His best days are clearly behind him, and his wages far exceed the value that he adds to the team, but he at least cares about winning. He tries his best week in week out, which is more than can be said for most of the players at the club.
Obviously, we take the money, but there are plenty of players I’d rather see leave than Cas.
2.) 24 Jun 2025 06:01:08
Exactly Redseven, Cass is total professional, mind you you don’t get to win what he has without being…. Plenty I like to see shown the door before him, money side of it, is no concern of mine, too many people get hung up on the £££s the club don’t have no concerns about taking ridiculous money for me to attend, travel, buy a burger buy a pint, so why should I care about there finances, they employ accountants to do that…. my concern is a winning team.
3.) 24 Jun 2025 08:43:00
Casimero has been a great professional whilst with us and offers nothing but 100% and as we saw last year still can perform. However, we need to get legs in the middle of the park to allow us to play Fernandes or Mainoo in there so I am okay with him going, get wages off and bring in another player.
Would be happy with a midfield rotation of Fernandes, Mainoo, Ugarte, New signing, supplemented by Collyer and the youth players.
4.) 24 Jun 2025 09:15:06
People are hung up on the money though German because it impacts what the club can and cannot do within the transfer window. I don't think any of us have the greatest grasp on FFP and PSR but we do know the club is not in the best position financially so any sale of a player on high wages and any bid from Saudi you hope comes in over the odds is going to help with what the club can do in the window which leads to having a winning team, hopefully.
5.) 24 Jun 2025 16:25:15
Midfield of can’t pass a ball 10 yards headless chicken Ugarte and no legs or mobility Mainoo, with Collyer back up will be awful, as seen last months of the season Cass kept them all out the team, so that would be a step backwards imo…
so missing 25% of your games is good? Oh great….
6.) 24 Jun 2025 23:23:50
Maze would you get of your cross mate. It's not just the odd post you parade negative on it's everybody's Post. I hate to read anyone's posts because I know that when a good healthy debate opens up. Your odds on to project gross negative attitude into it.
Go hustle on the LFC page cause your the biggest and darkest cloud with nothing positive
SNIYGNGTS.
7.) 25 Jun 2025 06:26:02
Red villain, sorry did not realise there was much to be positive about, please enlighten me with all the positives with United, so I can have a party!
Easy answer skip my post or you the woke brigade and people can only comment if it’s all nice and fluffy comment…. get in the real world not the fluffy woke 2025 world.
8.) 25 Jun 2025 21:37:04
2 proven PL players whos runs in the first 5 games of the season had a higher workrate than most.
A manager with a pair of steel ones that has seen what we have been saying for ages
Finally the dead wood and the badd eggs are getting the boot
That's all the positives I need to be happy
Add a GK and real CF and I'll be F. Ecstatic for the season
Ps I've just got the black jersey for a £10 And it's perfect so get in.
04 Dec 2024 13:47:10
Seeing quite a few links to clubs looking at dalot.
That would be a great result for us if we could sell him.
A very average player not suited to a wing back role at all long term imo. Really poor crosser of the ball and suffers from severe concentration lapses.
Always gives his all but so did ralph milne.
1.) 04 Dec 2024 14:06:02
Ken,
I agree with you. The club needs to raise their standards aswell. I do believer others should leave before Dalot. However, Utd could do with the money, if the PSR rumours are to be believed.
2.) 04 Dec 2024 15:26:09
Psr rules are all changing MH. I've a lot less concerns around that going forward.
3.) 04 Dec 2024 15:38:46
When he gets into high positions up the pitch, his head explodes. If we could get an upgrade, would be great.
Not unhappy if he stays as a backup though.
4.) 04 Dec 2024 16:09:20
Decent back up angel but if we can get good money for him it might pay us to sell.
5.) 04 Dec 2024 16:34:49
It's almost unbelievable so many clubs want him, given he is cr4p. Maybe they see something in him.
6.) 04 Dec 2024 16:55:48
He's not crap Tony, far from it. But I believe we need better as first choice.
7.) 04 Dec 2024 17:18:33
He is decent back up at best i'd agree so if someone wants to buy him for 20m plus I think it would be a good deal for us.
He is good back up for Portugal. He has good attributes and would do well I'm sure.
Does he possess the attributes needed to play rwb for our manager I don't think so.
All the noise could be him angling for a new contract. If the coach thinks he fits the system he will get one i'm sure. I don't see him being happy if not regular starter once the team settled down.
8.) 05 Dec 2024 11:20:17
We need Davies.
9.) 05 Dec 2024 12:06:55
Steve Davis. snooker loopy.
10.) 05 Dec 2024 15:57:43
I wonder will anyone sign rashford ajh but you think he is crap so obviously not.
11.) 05 Dec 2024 18:57:45
I don't think Rashford is crap ken, I think he has amazing ability. However, his application and effort is poor and his head seems elsewhere, he's had long enough to fix it but doesn't seem able to.
12.) 05 Dec 2024 21:39:49
I agree. He just shirks any physical contact and work.
I really think he should move for his own good. I'd like to see him excel elsewhere but I don't think he has the drive.
13.) 05 Dec 2024 21:46:56
Far more valuable and problem assets in the squad than Dalot.
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16 Feb 2026 23:35:49
I saw an interesting question earlier today.
There are only 10 seats.
Who do you ask to leave the table to give bruno a seat at the united legends table.
Best law Charlton Ronaldo scholes giggs Beckham Cantona Rooney or Keane?
There are others of course but these were the ones that I was presented with.
1.) 17 Feb 2026 04:19:36
Legends are additive, no need to take one out. Pull up another chair.
Can't believe Robson doesn't make this list myself, so grab two! Many others who deserve a seat, as you say.
2.) 17 Feb 2026 06:14:49
Of those listed, Ronaldo, his best years were post united.
3.) 17 Feb 2026 06:58:57
None, Bruno can stand. Those are great players, Bruno is not their level.
4.) 17 Feb 2026 08:13:33
If there is no option to pull up another chair, I'm with Red Man.
5.) 17 Feb 2026 08:18:05
He can sit on Erics knee or nothing!
6.) 17 Feb 2026 12:41:22
Beckham.
7.) 17 Feb 2026 14:05:17
Becksss.
8.) 17 Feb 2026 14:05:44
Bruno done more then Becks.
9.) 17 Feb 2026 15:08:13
Singh he did in his hole????.
10.) 17 Feb 2026 15:10:38
I agree no room at the inn. Maybe he could be the waiter
Robson is my fav player if all time so yeah sorry not to see him in there.
I suppose its hard when they have all won multiple titles.
Maybe next year bruno will get his title but it could be a German saudi or spanish one.
11.) 17 Feb 2026 15:14:43
Individually Bruno has done more than several of those players mentioned, yet football is a team sport and the others deserve their seats due to what they contributed to us winning while they were here at the club.
If you had to choose it's be either Ronaldo or Becks as both left as they were hitting their prime, while Bruno could have left to join a club that was better placed to win things, but dedicated the peak years of his career to us rather than choosing to take the easier and more trophy-laden route.
In reality though you don't kick legends out, you pull up and extra chair for them.
12.) 17 Feb 2026 15:19:27
You are joking Singh? Maybe check becks trophy cabinet and if you think he wasn't integral to utd winning then you can't have been paying attention.
13.) 17 Feb 2026 15:50:35
Who tried to buy him shappy? no offers from any top European team in his prime years.
14.) 17 Feb 2026 16:57:15
These questions/posts have started to irk me whereas DodgyB's reply is a breath of fresh air!
15.) 17 Feb 2026 18:22:57
I watched Beckham and Ronaldo win Champions League titles, Ronaldo was the best player I have seen and I go back to Charlton and Best. The 2008 team was the best I have seen. Bruno has been a good player but is not in any of those players league. Yes Becks and Ron left but I would not swap Bruno for any of them, I wouldn’t have missed 1999 Beckham or 2008 Ronaldo for anything.
Bruno is recent but stats do not mean everything.
In honesty it prompts a conversation but elevating Bruno to the status of those other players is pure folly.
16.) 17 Feb 2026 19:39:39
I think the question is that someone has to leave.
At least that's how I took it. It didn't say, pick one to leave unless you think none should leave and then add in loads of nonsense.
As is often the way with this type of question, it goes off on a tangent.
I stand by my Ronaldo comment.
Singh wash your mouth out saying Becks goes before him.
I assume that the question is also on their UTD time only, again that is how I took it.
I also assumed it did not factor in their out of school activity.
If so you could scratch a few from that list.
17.) 17 Feb 2026 20:22:02
That is not the question jimbob as it was put to me. If you don't pick someone to get up you don't feel bruno deserves a seat. There is only 10 chairs. No sitting on knees or on the table? whoever made this list obviously they are that person's favourite legends.
Some want a bigger table to be all inclusive.
18.) 17 Feb 2026 21:01:51
I think some people forget how good Beckham was. He produced moments of brilliance at this club. Go back and watch his performance in the Nou Camp. He was excellent.
Bruno can make the teas for the rest of them.
06 Feb 2026 13:54:32
In your opinions, of the following players who has had the best career at Manchester united?
and secondly who do you think the club got the best value out of?
John o Shea
Phil neville
Bruno Fernández
Nicky Butt
In order i'd say
O Shea
Butt
Neville
Bruno.
Just my opinion. Individually I don't think the others are as good as bruno but football is not an individual game.
Its all about team stats not Individual stats.
Having a brilliant individual does not make a team.
There are so many ways to look at various situations.
Rarely is the answer black or white the truth is usually somewhere in the grey.
I think bruno would swap all his personal stats and achievements for the medals those lads won as part of successful teams.
1.) 06 Feb 2026 15:04:01
3 of those players were under the tutelage of SAF and won a lot.
Bruno has played under 6 different managers at United ? I think we have had poor squads and poor managers, the last one the worst.
I think it's unfair on Bruno as he has really been a part of a very strange period for the club. That's why I'm hoping that he stays for another couple of years and we can put real quality around him on order to win trophies, he deserves it.
A bit like Robson at the end of his days, was kept and finally saw a league title at the end of his tenure.
2.) 06 Feb 2026 15:29:36
Sorry Ken but that's a weird way to look at it. By this view you are saying that the likes of Smalling, Jones, Buttner, Anderson, Kagawa Lingard etc had better careers than Bruno just because they won PL medals.
3.) 06 Feb 2026 15:45:27
Absolutely UA.
Its the essence of team sport. The team results.
Im not saying they are better players individually but united did better out of them and they did better out of united because they won leagues.
Anybody could have an opinion that bruno would have enhanced those teams if he was in them. But it would be just an Unproven opinion.
There is nothing to say this teams would have been better with bruno in them nor that they would have won those medals in the current team.
Different times but they're is no doubting in my mind that those players have had better united careers than bruno. Personal stats are vanity team stats are sanity.
Did messie turn miami into winners?
Did ngolo kante help turn Leicester into winners.
Did shearer help turn Blackburn into league winners?
Nobody can dismiss brunos personal stats but its all about how the team does not any individual.
Its just a different way of looking at the situation.
The best players usually do.
4.) 06 Feb 2026 15:58:32
Mctom is quality. Want beside bruno.
Lots of others have done in to win league titles at other clubs but couldn't with him at united.
We have spent close to a billion and got nowhere close to a title with him.
He had his time and his chances.
He won't be short of top offers I think he will take one because I think he will want to leave and try something new.
Its just my guess as I don't have a clue what he feels and thinks but I'm feel he will want to win big trophies his time is running out.
He also might want to take the huge money on offer in Saudi and who could blame him for that either.
5.) 06 Feb 2026 17:02:24
UA. Bruno's personal stats stand up against the very best.
He smashes scholes for goals and assists. Same for Cantona or Robson or keane or Beckham or Carrick or Hughes and the list goes on but I don't think you could argue that he's had a better united career than any of them despite his impressive personal stats. Or that united have got more from him than those above.
Perhaps its just a case of right person at the wrong time under the wrong 6 managers. With all the wrong multi million pound players.
He will go down as one of our very best players to not win a title.
Unless he decides to stay which is just as possible. He does love the club and i'm sure he would like to win a title at united above anywhere else.
He might like the new project new coach etc. Amorim convinced him to stay last summer the next new coach might want to and be able to do the same.
I do feel that cunha dorogu amad sesko mbeumo are better than some of his previous partners in attack. We could try to get another pair of 60m midfielders behind him and another pair of 50m full backs and another pair of 70m cbs it might work under manager no7 who knows. i'd like to think so.
We just have to wait and see if he wants to give it one last throw if the dice or if he fancies a new challenge.
Either way it would be nice to know early so we can skip a summer of will he stay or will he go!
6.) 06 Feb 2026 17:26:23
Ken can i counter you by saying that all those players had better players playing alongside them. Has Bruno ever got a Rooney who would run through a brick wall, or a van Persie to bang them in or a Keane or Giggs or a defense of Stam, Ferdinand, Vidic et al or a van der sar in goal. My point here being that i agree with you on it being a team game but for that you need quality everywhere which unfortunately Bruno hasn't had to work with including the manager.
Happy to agree to disagree on this one with you buddy.
7.) 06 Feb 2026 18:02:00
Agreed UA.
Very different times under very different circumstances. Poor united teams, lots of managers, chops and changes for years but he has been one of the only constants throughout. He has never had the personnel around him or a real solid base like those you mention who played under Fergie.
Let's hope we can kick on and give him a couple of trophies before he leaves.
8.) 06 Feb 2026 19:11:02
All valid points UA.
9.) 06 Feb 2026 22:20:42
Angel, can you not see the positives that Amorim brought to the table, at all?
Results aside, as that is your fixation. think of the players he literally bombed out of the club, all those problem players we had onboard.
He killed the player power culture, something others had tried to do.
I think for that alone, he doesn't hold the 'worst of them all' title.
I know you won't let it go, I am just trying to see if you actually acknowledge the good things he brought to the club.
10.) 07 Feb 2026 07:46:58
Jimbobred, you're wasting your time fella.
11.) 07 Feb 2026 08:33:12
Jimbo, I didn't mention RA above, I was just talking about the poor managerial appointments made during Brunos time.
But since you ask, I can't, sorry, I thought he was a poor choice for the club. Lovely fella, probably a good coach too, but incredibly childish and immature in ways particularly in how he handled certain things. I felt like he was a buffer and was out of his depth.
'bombing' out those players depreciated their value as assets to the club and we either didn't get their correct worth or we won't get it, i. e. Marcus Rashford.
Jimbo, it's a results based industry and his was terrible. That's it, and too many on here had the tissues out over him and telling us he 'overachieved' so I don't mind reminding those that sat on their high horses, and will continue to sit on their high horses, that they got it wrong ?.
12.) 07 Feb 2026 11:40:27
angel
You are wrong about Amorim. Frankly not worth engaging on it much more with you because as with other things, you are very blinkered. I will say this, many do not see what a manager or in RA’s case, a leader, does. Changing the attitude and dealing with fundamental issues like entitlement are something that is vital. You just seem to see the periphery, which is very short sighted. It’s ok, not everyone sees or understands the concepts of management or leadership. Lastly this terrible “bombing” out of Rashford. That underlines your complete lack of knowledge on how to lead or manage a team. His attitude utterly stank the place out, RA did the club a massive favour in shifting his backside off the comfy subs bench whilst pocketing 350k a week.
Enjoy watching the games but when it comes to judging management then I suggest you stick to Subbuteo.
13.) 07 Feb 2026 14:30:44
The bruno agenda is wild.
He’s our best player and has been so since his arrival.
I have a sense that now Amorim has been proven not to be as great as some think and defending him is fool’s errand, so denigrating Bruno is the new thing. The joy.
14.) 07 Feb 2026 15:56:53
Utd Road
I am not denigrating Bruno but timing is everything.
30 Jan 2026 17:46:26
Where to you begin to understand some of the transfer fees.
If wolves get 40/50 m for strand Larsen I think I'll go to the garage and get my old boots out ?
Im sure there are half a dozen players in the championship that could offer more for a while lot less.
On top of that the he cost of buying potential now is just insane.
50m plus on players that have not matured or developed yet is common place.
I understand the 'epl tax' but it really is bonkers.
Another thing I would like to understand is why centre forwards that do well in seria A rarely replicate their numbers in the premiership?
All through the history of the epl cf's coming from italy have not been as successful as those from France Spain or south America, i'm just not sure why that is.
Henry Bergkamp and zola i think are the major anomalies and had real longevity and none were strictly cf's and were not doing great in italy when they left.
1.) 30 Jan 2026 18:45:37
In addition to the epl tax, there is also a man utd tax, where the price mysteriously goes up 10-30 million as soon as we get involved. Almost impossible for us to pull a cheap gem from the Portuguese ligue 2. Suddenly they will be the most promising player in Europe and the club won't even listen to offers below $80m.
2.) 31 Jan 2026 11:42:21
EPL clubs are the most financially secure and have the least need to sell players, add the January tax and it starts to make sense.
Wolves didn't want to lose Strand Larsen, but they are almost certainly getting relegated, if they kept him until the summer then they'd be lucky to get 35m for him as a relegated team, maybe less if he has a relegation clause in his deal.
While for Palace they will definitely lose Mateta this summer if not sooner by the looks of it. They will also lose Glasner in the summer and they need to steady the ship.
Strand Larsen is a very good EPL striker, as seen last season. Unfortunately this season he has been feeding on literal scraps. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 8-10 goals or more between now and the summer for Palace.
While I'm disappointed as a fan not seeing United spend in January to bring in a quality player who could be the difference between us getting UCL or not this year. I also understand why the club aren't prepared to pay over the odds for player who might not be their first choice this January. Keeping the powder dry for the summer and the next permanent manager.
27 Jan 2026 23:45:25
Here's a question.
Do Shaw maguire and mainoo make the next England squad?
I found it incredible that united have had no English player in the squad a few times.
I hope they all make the wc squad.
I do wonder will maguire keep his united place due to his speed of play and choice of pass. But he has his strengths too.
It will be interesting to see what tuchel does in bit sure when the next round of games are on.
It will be possibly tougher for mainoo with Anderson Rice Palmer Rodgers bellendingham wharton. But if he turns it on over next few months with fresh legs he could break into the squad.
1.) 28 Jan 2026 02:29:52
I would say the only one should be Maguire.
2.) 28 Jan 2026 09:57:51
I'd have gone the opposite to you Jimbo. Mainoo, if he plays the rest of our games as he did the last two, would have to be in contention. Shaw has played a lot of games this year and he is England's best left back by far. He goes straight back into their starting XI imo.
Maguire might make it based on lack of good English CBs. He's done well in last couple of games but he's not a regular starter here and I'd imagine De Ligt if he gets fit goes back into the starting team for us, so I think Maguire is the least likely of the three.
3.) 28 Jan 2026 11:23:06
I can't see Tuchel making too many changes from the group of players who played the qualifiers to get the team into the tournament.
I can see Mainoo maybe getting into the squad on pure quality over someone like Wharton but i can't see Shaw getting in over O’Reily/Spence/MLS or Maguire getting in over Konsa/Burn/Stones/Guehi.
4.) 28 Jan 2026 11:40:37
I wouldn’t be shocked if all 3 get in Ken, LB is a problem area and shaw does well for England. Mainoo played well in the Euros so if he keeps up his current form then I think he goes and as for Maguire.
He plays well for England, has experience, is a leader in the group and also he scores goals and takes pens. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they are all on the plane.
5.) 28 Jan 2026 15:38:04
If Shaw and Maguire are starting for England they’re not beating any decent team.
6.) 28 Jan 2026 17:32:32
All 3 aren't good enough for England at the minute mainoo might be in the squad if his form keeps up don't think tuchel fancies Wharton fodens dropped off a cliff and Palmer probably won't be fit.
7.) 28 Jan 2026 23:18:17
Shaw has been playing very well and can play as a left back or one of three central defenders.
Mainoo has to be good for a long run of games but the door should be open for him.
Maguire should def be there. Underrated and been very good this season. Is an attacking threat for corners and free kicks too. He also has a positive effect on a squad being mature and experienced.
8.) 29 Jan 2026 00:22:38
Isn't MLS about 4th choice LB for Arsenal?
9.) 29 Jan 2026 00:27:58
Maguire so good this season everyone on here wants him to sign an extension for next season? Shaw so good, the majority of fans on here don’t want him sold come the summer? I must have been reading some other site ?.
10.) 29 Jan 2026 06:32:33
I think Kobbie has a great chance if he continues to perform at a really high level over the next 4 months. Rice, Anderson, and Wharton are certainties, but other than that, he's competing with Gallagher, Henderson (God forbid), and maybe James Garner. I know I would rather have Kobbie in the England squad.
I think Shaw will probably make the squad if he manages to stay fit and perform between now and then, but I think Lewis Hall has got to be starting for England at the World Cup. Nico O'Reilly might make the squad over Shaw.
I expect Maguire will make the squad, he has been fantastic the last couple games, and generally pretty good for a few months, but it will depend on whether there are injuries to other players. At the moment there several better centre backs, namely Guehi, Stones, and Konsa, plus Colwill might make the squad if he manages to prove his fitness in time. But Colwill is a huge doubt, and Stones is injured as often as Luke Shaw, although he always seems to be fit for major tournaments for England.
11.) 30 Jan 2026 11:04:37
I would be surprised if any made the world cup however injuries could open the door. If any I can see Tuchel liking Maguire as an option.
26 Jan 2026 09:36:15
Hopefully the sales of rashford and rasmus go through without a hitch in the summer. Rashford not getting off the bench again yesterday is a permanent sub.
Only scored in 3 league games last season in Spain.
Rasmus not scored since dec and again only scored in 3 league games all season.
Thankfully antony and garnacho were not loans with antony having a predictable slump and garnacho again not getting run off the beech.
All 4 have down flash in the pan form but not sustained it. We all know what that's like . It would be nice to have a summer with those gone nice and early. Neither Barcelona nor napoli are the easiest club to deal with. Hopefully the 2 lads will shower another boy patch of form and effort around April may.
1.) 26 Jan 2026 10:58:23
Morning Ken, I think the hojlund deal has an obligation in it that Napoli have to buy him as long as they qualify for UCL. Correct me if I’m wrong on that. As for rashford, Barcelona will be a nightmare and will probably try for another loan.
Put it this way if rashford can’t succeed at the team of his dreams then I’m not sure he will anywhere.
2.) 26 Jan 2026 14:38:59
I don't know the details at all Tim but i'm doubting that napoli will be in the cl next season.
3.) 26 Jan 2026 17:01:10
What happens if the club decides to save some money on transfers, spends all the fidget on midfield, and brings Rash back?
Will be a fanbase divided.
4.) 26 Jan 2026 18:24:52
They would save money giving him a few transfer.
12 Feb 2026 20:56:03
Im not a fan of dyche.
I like de zerbi but he seems very emotional but I like the way his teams play.
Frank is a solid citizen. Seems like a good guy and i'd like toto see them both back at work soon. I hope they choose the right appointments.
10 Jan 2026 15:27:20
Why do you think you are not in the position to be manager of united ajh?
19 Dec 2025 07:25:58
I think he has scored more from the left than the right agree with ed he is equally effective from either side and gets played from both.
I think he is so good that he could probably play in goal and be effective.
17 Dec 2025 17:30:04
I know you are ed and tbf you treat all posters well so thank you. 67 and you'd still beat Harry over 30yards?.
{Ed025's Note - by at least 10 yards Ken.. :)
16 Dec 2025 21:41:35
Despite his young age shappy is an elder lemon on this page and is one of the most genuine of people you are ever likely to meet. Top bloke. He loves a bit if slagging and craic and really couldn't care less what people think and he appreciates all the eds even ed025 who is a particularly old and perhaps a little mad elder lemon?.
{Ed025's Note - im a big Shappy fan Ken, but im 67 now mate and sometimes i do worry if i will actually get to the end of some of his posts.. :)
17 Feb 2026 20:22:02
That is not the question jimbob as it was put to me. If you don't pick someone to get up you don't feel bruno deserves a seat. There is only 10 chairs. No sitting on knees or on the table? whoever made this list obviously they are that person's favourite legends.
Some want a bigger table to be all inclusive.
17 Feb 2026 15:52:19
Onana was player of the year in Milan ?.
17 Feb 2026 15:50:35
Who tried to buy him shappy? no offers from any top European team in his prime years.
17 Feb 2026 15:10:38
I agree no room at the inn. Maybe he could be the waiter
Robson is my fav player if all time so yeah sorry not to see him in there.
I suppose its hard when they have all won multiple titles.
Maybe next year bruno will get his title but it could be a German saudi or spanish one.
17 Feb 2026 15:08:13
Singh he did in his hole????.