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13 May 2020 00:01:31
There are rumours that Angel Gomez migjt snub Utds offers and sign for Chelsea. I would be really upset to see such a talented young player leave. He needs a run in the team to prove himself. How can we afford to lose talent like his?
1.) 13 May 2020 00:20:29
Umm probably because he won't sign a contract.
We just signed bruno who everyone is rightly raving about, there are strong links with grealish.
Also for half of the season we had lingard and pereira being chosen ahead of him for every game.
I am not surprised if he wants out and i wish him all the best.
2.) 13 May 2020 04:05:58
All the best to him. Although I don't see him getting much game time at Chelsea either. They have twice the amount of midfielders than we do all around his age looking to break into the first team.
3.) 13 May 2020 08:07:56
The concerns amongst the training staff are about his ability to cope with the EPL physically. Now while superior ability can beat physicality, the player needs to be clever enough to know how to do so. While our coaching staff can see what Gomes is capable of against EPL players every day in training.
This season his competition for places was probably as weak as he will ever have while playing for a top side. An ageing Mata, an out of form Lingard and Andreas Pereira who isn't good enough.
Since the the club have signed Bruno Fernandes and are looking at players like Grealish who would further push Gomes down the peaking order.
He is a clearly talented lad, but he needs to play a season or two of "mens" football either in the championship or in a league such as the Dutch or Portuguese league to develop his understanding and ability to cope physically with a much more demanding style of football.
To that end maybe a move to a club like Chelsea who will invariably loan him out for a year or two might be a good move. Or he will sign a new deal with us and hopefully follow a similar path.
4.) 13 May 2020 09:34:16
Invariably loan him out? Sorry Shappy, but Lampard will give him a chance if he's good enough.
5.) 13 May 2020 09:56:48
RJ28P as would ole but simple fact of the matter is he’s shown nothing when given a chance to warrant more starts.
6.) 13 May 2020 11:00:04
Gomes is very talented, but if anyone has watched him in the u23s especially this season, he’s not warranted a promotion to the first team on those performances. If he goes to Chelsea, good luck to him.
Also you have to ask where he fits in the team? Better player than Andreas and lingard potentially but he’s not really shown much yet. Bruno is top quality so he doesn’t get in there either. I don’t think he’s in the same class as Greenwood either.
A talent, but not sure if he’s going to be as big of a loss as many say.
7.) 13 May 2020 11:52:30
RJ28P, Well that's my point, if he was putting in the performances at United in training then he would be given a chance in the first team.
At United he only had Lingard, Mata and Andreas Pereira to get past before we signed Bruno.
He can play either on the wing or in the No.10 position. Chelsea tend to play either 433 or 4231, so Gomes would be competing for a wide role in a 433 or in any of the three positions between the midfield and the striker in a 4231. So he will be competing with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Barkley, Pedro and Pulisic. Plus any other players Chelsea sign this summer.
Chelsea have an extensive history of signing young players and loaning them out. Gomes needs games every week, and currently he isn't consistent enough to do that at the top end of the EPL. So he needs a loan wherever he plays next season.
8.) 13 May 2020 13:00:49
RJ Lampard will give him a chance at the expense of whom?
9.) 13 May 2020 14:26:56
Pedro, Willian and Barkley will all likely be gone next season. And with respect, the reason why he isn't playing is because he is running his contract down, like Sancho did at City.
I've watched Gomes a lot (being fortunate enough to have access to a lot of youth games) and he's a talent on par with Hudson-Odoi and Saka if given the consistent minutes.
That said, it seems like the relationship at Utd has soured and it is right for the player to move on.
10.) 13 May 2020 14:48:12
Your right red whisky that goal in pre season against spurs didn’t show any promise. Haha. how many opportunities did he get in the number 10 position with the rest of the 1st 11 also playing.
11.) 13 May 2020 16:32:52
RJ, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume you are right about the three you mentioned. You think Gomes will slot into their MF ahead of Kante, Mount, Pulisic, Loftus, Kovacic, Gilmour, Odoi, Jorgino or Ziyach?
12.) 13 May 2020 17:51:31
Sorry pogthedog he scored one goal in a pre season match. I presume you have unlimited access to the training sessions to say he deserves a chance? Like shappy said if you don’t show enough in training to usurp the likes of pereira and Lingard then there must be a reason why he’s not playing. Ole has been a huge advocate of playing the youth and giving chances. Chong got minutes whilst refusing to sign so I find the idea he’s not playing because of refusing to sign irrelevant.
13.) 13 May 2020 19:32:41
He can certainly play wide in rotation with Odoi, Pulisic and Ziyech. As for pure no. 10s, the only one we have is Ziyech, Mount is better when allowed to sit a little deeper.
14.) 14 May 2020 00:55:21
I like gomes but the lad has reportedly been offered 30k.
Football can be simple, greenwood produced gomes hasn't. 30k and what else should we offer him?
15.) 14 May 2020 00:56:06
My worry is that if teams like Chelsea and Barcelona want to take him what is it that they feel they can get out of him that Ole cannot.
I understand all the points raised by you guys. On one hand if he was performing at a very high level then you would think that he would get a chance to shine in the first team. He is obviously not pulling up any trees but he is young and it must be terribly frustrating if you feel that you do not have rhe managers full confidence and are not going to get a run of games to settle in and prove how good you are.
We are all very happy and surprised at how well an established international £60m player like Bruno has done in such a short time. Yet he has lots of experience and is older than Gomez. Why then do people ezpect a younger player to come into the first team and immediately perform to a high level? Also on the rare times Gomez got a game it was when the team were still struggling. I really do feel he should be given the chance to make it at Utd. I know he is not quite the same player as Grealish but I think he has more natural talent.
For me the way to go would be to give him a decent contract and send him on loan for a season. He would get the games he needs, toughen up physically, and he might appreciate how special it is to have the facilities of and play for Utd. Beckham was loaned out and it didn't hurt his prospects.
16.) 14 May 2020 07:50:19
Salford, the issue is that he clearly hasn't done enough in training to convince he should start ahead of anyone else.
Under other managers you could say that maybe they don't give youth a chance. But Ole has given more than given youth a chance. People also forget that Gomes was given three starts in the Europa League, often against weaker opposition than we play most weeks in the EPL. How did Gomes do in those games? Occasional glimpses of talent, but drifted in and out of the game far too much.
If he can't do it against the likes of Astana then he will struggle against the Everton's, Spurs, Burnley's and Sheffield United's of the EPL.
He is a hugely talented player, but he isn't ready to play at the level we play at. He needs a loan or two in order to develop.
Unfortunately his contact is about to run out and he doesn't want to sign a new deal. Maybe making his debut at 16 has made him inpatient, maybe he has been told he will get more elsewhere.
Who knows. His size will hold him back in the EPL until he learns how to mitigate his lack of physicality. In youth football if you're quick you can avoid physical battles to an extent, but men's football is played at a faster pace, and quick feet alone will not get you out of trouble. You need to read the game well and position yourself in the right areas and be two steps ahead of the opposition.
It's not a case of him just bulking up, although he does look like he could be tackled by a stiff breeze. He needs to learn how to play in the men's game. He is best off doing that on loan as he will need to play 20-30 games a season to start to learn that. He can't get that here with him playing as he has done. So a loan is the solution.
If he signs for Chelsea he will almost certainly leave on loan at some point. As they are in the same boat as us.
If he signs for Barcelona I don't see him getting a huge amount of game time. They don't tend to play with a No.10 so he would be competing for one of the wide forward roles, against Messi, Dembele, Griezmann, Fati and Braithwaite, plus whoever else the club sign this summer. With Neymar being a key target.
He needs a season in the Championship, or to move to a more technical league in Europe on loan. Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium could all be good options.
I hope he makes it, whether that's with us or somewhere else. But it's a long road yet, and he needs to realise that if he is going to make the most of his potential.
17.) 14 May 2020 10:57:20
Sadly for me, Greenwood and Williams aside this is a very underwhelming crop of youngsters, referring to those of the age where they would expect to be getting chances in the first team and making an impression. I've seen Chong the most and he has shown nothing but a haircut I'm afraid. I don't buy the fact that Gomes' size is a problem either but neither has he done enough to suggest that he is any better than the thousands of other kids clubs of this magnitude scout every season. If the tens of thousands he wants every week aren't sufficient let him go, I'm sure we'll resign him for £50m in a few years!
18.) 14 May 2020 15:32:34
Spenno, most young players don't really start to have a regular impact until they are 21/ 22 years old after a season or two as squad players.
In that respect the likes of Rashford and McTominay are starting to reach that level of impact. While Henderson could when he returns from his loan, as could Tuanzebe if he can stay injury free.
However, the likes of Greenwood and Williams are ahead of where they would normally expect for players of their ages. While the likes of Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Chong and Gomes still have huge potential, but are probably a year or two away from making a serious impact in the first team beyond a few games.
That's 12 young players in total who have a chance to make a telling impact in our first team within the next few years. That's insane and at levels not really seen outside of Ajax or Barcelona.
While we have also signed AWB and Shaw who were two of the best young players in the league when we signed them. Dan James from the Championship. While we are chasing players such as Rice, Rodon, Sancho, Bellingham, Grealish etc some of the best young British talent around.
I would say we have two great groups of young players in our squad. The older group of players between the ages of 21-24 including; Henderson, Tuanzebe, AWB, Shaw, McTominay, Rashford, James and Martial.
With a younger group between 17-20 including; Larid, Williams, Dalot, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Mejbri, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.
Giving us 18 EIGHTEEN! players at our club who have a good chance of making it as at least good squad players, with some of them having genuine world class potential.
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29 Jun 2020 18:32:49
Interesting that when questioned about what's happening with Angel Gomez Ole allegedly replied that he had heard nothing and presumed there was no deal with Utd. Now I know the manager leaves negotiating to certain people within the club but if the Daily Mail report is correct and Gomez signs for Chelsea it will show once again how bad we are at transfer dealings. The lad is clearly talented and if Chelsea value him and cover him then surely we should not be losing him at all worse still to a direct rival.
More importantly if Ole does not know what's going on that worries me. Surely as manager you would want to have your finger on the pulse. That's does not mean he has to do the negotiation but he should be aware of how advanced or not it is.
1.) 29 Jun 2020 18:40:20
Sounded to me like he was aware, which was that unless there had been some sudden change of heart by the player, he was off.
2.) 29 Jun 2020 19:30:20
Sigh, what has Gomes actually done to suggest he will take the step up? Apparently he has an inflated opinion of his worth, when he has had game time he has looked lost, at a time when a lot of youngsters are being given chances, he really hasn’t done anything to suggest ability or motivation.
For whatever reasons it hasn’t worked out for him at United, I wish him a highly successful Premier League career, but I won’t hold my breath.
3.) 29 Jun 2020 20:31:54
I've been impressed anytime I have seen him play and have been disappointed that he has not been given sufficient chances to prove it more.
Not sure what you've been watching AJH. And I've heard contrasting things about his person.
I think, he thinks that United just isn't the place to be right now.
4.) 29 Jun 2020 20:55:41
Have to agree with AJH, don't see why we are mourning Gomes loss. I too was very excited to see him when he made his debut at 16 years old. I never would have thought 3 years later he'd hardly have been near the first team. Perhaps giving him his chance so early set him back. When he has been given a chance he's been disappointing. I hope he proves me wrong, he had such potential.
5.) 29 Jun 2020 20:59:51
I've always felt let down when playing for the senior side having seen what he can do in youth levels. If he doesn't want to be here then glad he's going, we should only want commited players here have had enough free loaders and players who want be elsewhere.
6.) 29 Jun 2020 21:16:58
Jesus angelred, he is nothing at 19 to suggest he warrants more than squad inclusion. If he goes to Chelsea, they have Mount, Gilmour, Loftus-Cheek, Barley, Kovacic, Jorginhio and Kante. They also have an 18 year old called Anjorin. So Gomes thinks its a good move?
7.) 29 Jun 2020 21:55:17
He won’t get a game at chelsea but he might get more money and the chance to live in London. No great loss, never showed enough to be in the first team squad really, he’s a decent player and we wish him well like with any player who goes but not going to be mourning his loss that’s for sure.
8.) 29 Jun 2020 22:07:21
The lad needs to go to Spain and play some football.
9.) 29 Jun 2020 22:17:01
He has so much potential, yet when given a chance in the first team he has drifted in and out of games and even the good moments have sadly only been the briefest of moments.
I think he needs to move to the Championship, to a club where he will play every week and learn how to cope with the physicality of the mens game.
10.) 29 Jun 2020 23:15:00
People want to keep banging the, united is a bad place to be drum .
Gomez unlike greenwood mctom and Williams simply hasn't taken his chance .
I like him as a player but I think he needs to be patient, I think the role he plays is a difficult one at such a uoung age.
11.) 30 Jun 2020 06:57:24
Those that know much more than you and I jred are stating that. Those that know the dealings of what goes on in side of Old Trafford.
With regards to people saying when he has got his chance in the first team he has drifted etc etc. Hasn't he got roughly between 5-10 games in the last couple of years. Never showed enough? Was he even given enough chances?
Cantona, he has probably looked at pereira, chong, lingard over the last season or two and asked why he can't get equal or more game time than them. From what I've seen, be certainly isn't worse than any of them. He probably wanted a fair crack and I don't think he has got that.
Probably a number of reasons why he'd go to Chelsea. Firstly he is a London boy. Secondly, we have no idea what kind of package/ deal Chelsea have offered regarding game time and development. It could just seem to be a more attractive option that staying at united?
12.) 30 Jun 2020 10:00:33
Angel Gomes, can anyone really say he's done enough to warrant being a regular in the first team squad. If he would rather away then stay and improve then fine or maybe he's just not as good as he thinks he is.
13.) 30 Jun 2020 10:21:04
Maybe it's just that Chelsea are offering more money. Might as well earn as much as possible for the same 3 hours training Monday to Friday.
14.) 30 Jun 2020 10:30:18
I really think he was unlucky to be at his age when we had several managers who were under pressure for quick results. He is most definitely really talented and I think had he been integrated into a first team which was playing well he would have shone once he got hoa confidence and a run of games.
It must be extremely difficult especially in the position he plays where there is huge responsibility to be a creative force when the defence behind you is all over the place and the player who should be helping you get established (Pogba) is not necessarily playing his best.
I have no idea what sort of person and character Gomez is but if Frank Lampard wants him then he must see something special in him (and Lampard knows what qualities it takes to be a top midfielder)
If Gomez goes to Chelsea or another top team he is not nailed on to succeed but its the whole episode of losing another talented player and our manager seemingly not knowing what's going on that worries me. I don't think Fergie or Pep or Klopp would issue a statement saying they had no idea what was happening and mean it. So unless this is misdirection by Ole it does bother me that and conforms yet again what Ed02 continually says. The amateurs are in charge at Utd.
Talking of amateurs how an earth can Grealish be worth £80m. Yes he is a talented player but he would not walk into the first team of any top European Club. Surely that is the least that we would expect of a player bought for such sums. Why do we so often over pay? I wouldn't mind overpaying to get a young Ronaldo but for Grealish.!?
Lastly people have been laying into Dan James. He is a young guy just moved to the biggest club in the world and a different part of the country to where he grew up. He settled in pretty well and then surprise surprise he took a step backwards. It happens with young players Then his dad passed away. Not exactly an ideal first year at Utd for him.
Why cannot people give him a proper chance. Let him have a season or two to get good coaching and mature as a person and as a player. Then judge him. It seems like some people cannot wait for out players to fail. Get behind the young lads. Give them confidence to play without fear. That's what they need.
15.) 30 Jun 2020 11:36:48
Cantona, he has probably looked at pereira, chong, lingard over the last season or two and asked why he can't get equal or more game time than them. From what I've seen, be certainly isn't worse than any of them. He probably wanted a fair crack and I don't think he has got that.
Angle
You have to wonder why others have clearly been given a chance and he hasn't.
16.) 30 Jun 2020 13:24:51
He has been made a fair offer by all accounts 30k plus per week.
If he doesn't want to stay we can't make him.
Only time will tell if he had made the right call for his career.
City fans prob did the same about sancho
Some united fans were distraught when januzai left or when pogba left.
Gomes is doing what he feels right for him. I don't see it as a stain on the club. Its a simple fact of you can't keep all the people happy all the time.
We could not have offered him more money and imo nobody should be guaranteed game time.
Ive forgotten about him already. Your red our your dead as far as I'm concerned. If he does not want to be at united then its best we part ways.
{Ed002's Note - The issue is of a lack of a roadmap and opportunity.}
17.) 30 Jun 2020 14:11:27
I get that ed002 and it is important that all players see a future for themselves.
I asked you what turned chongs mind a few weeks ago and if the club had given him a better 'roadmap'
Perhaps gomes was not happy with what the club out forward to him if that's the case then he is right to move.
Will Gomes be another januzzai or pogba? only time will tell.
I would have thought if the club had enough faith in him and if he was doing enough to force his way into contention he would have had had more chances by now.
If the roadmap but forward contained a plan to loan him out he may not have wanted that.
Maybe he thinks he is better than others see him. He is a talented boy but so are lots of others.
On the face of it, it appears like he wanted to move regardless of what was offered. Sometimes that can happen.
{Ed002's Note - Yes, there are others who want out as well as you know.}
18.) 30 Jun 2020 14:46:50
Yes there is. Others may not have the options they hoped they would have ed002😄.
26 Jun 2020 10:44:41
Maybe the amateurs as Ed 02 calls them who are in charge at Utd might like to take out of Liverpools recruitment policy.
1.) 26 Jun 2020 18:45:23
I would like them to take a leaf out of Liverpool’s aims, planning, investment and plan implementation policy. The recruitment is a result of everything else, right now it seems we are more bothered about ensuring dividends will be paid next time than whether the team is good enough to win the league or the stadium good enough.
2.) 26 Jun 2020 21:43:12
I would rather speak to their fitness coaches and physios. They play the same team as much as possible.
3.) 27 Jun 2020 00:35:40
That's because klopp has installed a never give it attitude mnk
Some players have played threw knocks yet out players are pants mate.
26 Jun 2020 10:43:17
Typical City. Mess it up giving Chelsea a big help to beat us to a champions league spot and hand the scouser the title at the same time.
1.) 26 Jun 2020 11:12:40
Looking at the run ins I think if we keep form it’s Leicester who we will catch. They’ve a really tough run of games.
2.) 26 Jun 2020 11:49:05
Don't count out wolves.
{Ed018's Note - it’s gonna be an interesting finish. Chelsea certainly helped themselves yesterday and I think they will finish 3rd. Gonna be a dog fight for that 4th spot}
3.) 26 Jun 2020 18:55:42
It may all come down to the last game of the season for us, Chelsea, Leicester and Wolves.
It could be some weekend.
31 Mar 2020 14:24:01
This one is mainly for the Eds and thanks for keeping the site going.
Do you think that in view of the economic downturn due to the pandemic this will be reflected in transfer deals being agreed at much lower valuations than many would otherwise have expected. Also are Utd in a strong position possibly even in a hugely financial advantageous position with theor resources which will allow them to get deals done that lots of other clubs just won't be able to afford. Or do you see the likes of Liverpool / City/ Chelsea/ Barca/ Madrid / PSG/ Bayern also being financiallybsteong enough to compete too.
{Ed002's Note - The impact will be at a lower level. Some higher profile clubs have to balance the books and don’t have the cash to simply add players. There area few cash rich clubs who are in a better position.}
1.) 01 Apr 2020 00:09:26
Thanks Ed Also are you aware of any serious interest in players below Premier League level who Utd are or were considering pre Corona virus. Am thinking about someone like Dan James.
{Ed002's Note - There are a few kike Bellingham but I am not going to get in to whether or not MU will now be looking for a bargain.}
2.) 01 Apr 2020 21:58:07
Thanks again for the reply. Wasnt so much as asking about bargains more if there were players whom the majority of supporters would not have thought about as being of interesting to Utd but actual have or are being considered.
{Ed002's Note - have mentioned those that there has been interested in - you would need to ask the supporters if they have the hots for them.}
01 Mar 2020 21:21:42
Wonder what you all made of Grealish's performance today against City. I know he is in a team which is not great and was heavily marked but I was not inspired by his performance. I do have my doubts as to how good he really would be for us if we signed him.
1.) 01 Mar 2020 21:37:15
Still rather have Maddison.
2.) 01 Mar 2020 23:10:49
Backup for fernandes?
3.) 02 Mar 2020 06:26:13
Do not get it at all. Not what we need.
4.) 02 Mar 2020 18:09:12
I would much rather get Maddison.
05 Jul 2020 14:18:16
Thanks for yr reply Ed 002.
With Smalling and Rojo not likely to feature again and Tuanzebe and Jones not fit and not proven at the highest level it does make me wonder if all the good work being done in attack will be undone by the defence.
{Ed002's Note - In which case they should look to keep Smalling or Rojo.}
03 Jul 2020 22:41:49
Why on earth would inter want to fork out such a sum and be totally responsible for his wages? Sanchez is not exactly hot property and surely they would prefer to keep taking him on loan with Utd paying some of his wages?
023 Jun 2020 10:17:40
For a long time now it's been rumoured Werner had been talking to Liverpool informally. I think he is much more likely to end up there than at Utd. And I would not get excited about Saul coming to us either. I think he will stay with Athletic but if he goes anywhere I could see him signing for Pep and being a brilliant signing.
27 May 2020 08:34:04
I am sure i read somewhere that Werner was almost a certainty to sign for Liverpool. This was months and months ago well before C.V.
24 May 2020 19:43:47
Mad hatter totally agree re Koulibaly. He is a very good player but he is nowhere near the quality of Van Djik or Laporte. Must be younger and better options. I would be tempted to let Bailly have a full season.
05 Jul 2020 14:21:16
The problem is that the more we are focused on attack not just parking the bus there will be more focus on the danger from good teams to counter attack us at speed.
05 Jul 2020 11:02:40
I don't recall Bruce or Vidic being the fastest. Sometimes its a question of having a fast defender alongside a slower one and they dovetail using the best of their combined qualities. Bruce had Pallister and Vidic had Rio. If Maguire had a Rio alongside I think they would be a formidable team.
I also think that defensively Shaw is not quite good enough at the top level. Too often he is caught out of position and Maguire is left struggling to cover him.
03 Jul 2020 16:31:07
The boy shows he has a good character to go abroad at such an early age. He will be all the better for it.
He will be well schooled at Dortmund and have less pressure than playing for Utd so should develop more quickly. Also he will still in a few years time have his peak years ahead and we could possibly sign him then.
01 Jul 2020 23:20:19
I know one should have confidence but with teams scrapping for their lives no game will be easy. I would hate us to start a game with a complacent mentality.
30 Jun 2020 10:30:18
I really think he was unlucky to be at his age when we had several managers who were under pressure for quick results. He is most definitely really talented and I think had he been integrated into a first team which was playing well he would have shone once he got hoa confidence and a run of games.
It must be extremely difficult especially in the position he plays where there is huge responsibility to be a creative force when the defence behind you is all over the place and the player who should be helping you get established (Pogba) is not necessarily playing his best.
I have no idea what sort of person and character Gomez is but if Frank Lampard wants him then he must see something special in him (and Lampard knows what qualities it takes to be a top midfielder)
If Gomez goes to Chelsea or another top team he is not nailed on to succeed but its the whole episode of losing another talented player and our manager seemingly not knowing what's going on that worries me. I don't think Fergie or Pep or Klopp would issue a statement saying they had no idea what was happening and mean it. So unless this is misdirection by Ole it does bother me that and conforms yet again what Ed02 continually says. The amateurs are in charge at Utd.
Talking of amateurs how an earth can Grealish be worth £80m. Yes he is a talented player but he would not walk into the first team of any top European Club. Surely that is the least that we would expect of a player bought for such sums. Why do we so often over pay? I wouldn't mind overpaying to get a young Ronaldo but for Grealish.!?
Lastly people have been laying into Dan James. He is a young guy just moved to the biggest club in the world and a different part of the country to where he grew up. He settled in pretty well and then surprise surprise he took a step backwards. It happens with young players Then his dad passed away. Not exactly an ideal first year at Utd for him.
Why cannot people give him a proper chance. Let him have a season or two to get good coaching and mature as a person and as a player. Then judge him. It seems like some people cannot wait for out players to fail. Get behind the young lads. Give them confidence to play without fear. That's what they need.