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02 Mar 2022 23:34:16
Ancelotti is being touted as a possible Utd manager. What are peoples thoughts about him?
1.) 02 Mar 2022 23:39:31
He’s great.
2.) 03 Mar 2022 05:16:06
Good manager but seems unrealistic. That he’d leave Madrid. Feel like it’s just links to make it seem like we looked other than Poch.
3.) 03 Mar 2022 08:35:54
im still in shock he went everton, they had a top manager and didn't use him.
he could have with some investment and time made them a decent team.
4.) 03 Mar 2022 08:58:58
No thanks, for the job we need done he'd be completely the wrong man.
5.) 03 Mar 2022 10:16:31
Good manager, but I would put him in the same category as Zidane. Someone who is tactically flexible and is good at getting the best out of a team of talented ego's who may have lost a little drive or direction.
Not the kind of manager to perform a rebuild, develop young players, create a distinct style of play etc.
6.) 03 Mar 2022 13:08:42
agree shappy, he's a decent manager but he's a manager of 10-15 years ago
hopefully he's not one of the choices.
7.) 03 Mar 2022 16:53:30
He wasn't on the list of managers that ED002 provided us with.
8.) 04 Mar 2022 23:57:57
Shappy, Good manager, but I would put him in the same category as Zidane. Someone who is tactically flexible and is good at getting the best out of a team of talented ego's. Isn't that exactly what you need?
02 Dec 2021 22:36:29
So Carrick departs. suggests either he has a potential job offer or that the new manager wants a clean sweep.
1.) 03 Dec 2021 02:11:10
I think it’s possible he just wanted a break. He got a ton of stick for the last few months under Ole and probably didn’t see the fans accepting him. Or maybe he was in line for assistant after Phelan and now there’s no chance of that.
2.) 03 Dec 2021 06:41:33
We should applaud Carrick, he is not waiting around to be paid off, had the courage to go before pushed. Well done Michael. If only Phelan, McKenna and co had the same conviction.
I watched Carrick and the player was quality, his way of leaving quality.
3.) 03 Dec 2021 07:39:57
Agree Red Man. Did a great job at keeping us on track once Ole was sacked, and leaves with his had held high. Fine midfielder for us too in his day and think he will be in demand when he decides to return to the dugout for a decent championship club.
4.) 03 Dec 2021 08:27:42
15 years service to the club. He will be as disappointed as any of us with the last few years but stuck around to help the club in the last 3 games. Great player and classy guy.
5.) 03 Dec 2021 08:57:22
Agree Redman. Plus not wanting a long emotional goodbye shows the class of the guy.
6.) 03 Dec 2021 09:33:13
Class act in every respect and very underrated as a player by many. How we could do with him in the team today. Seems he genuinely just wanted a break and after 15 years service nobody can begrudge him.
7.) 03 Dec 2021 09:39:30
The guy deserves a flag or maybe even a statute ?
On a serious note I think it just makes sense that he walks away while his stock is at it's highest. As a caretaker he won in Spain against Villarreal, drew at Stamford bridge against top to the table Chelsea, and beat Arsenal at home.
I mean 10 days ago we'd have snatched their hand off if we were offered those results given how we had played so far this season.
Results wise I don't think he could have done any better.
Maybe a few other sides might look at that and think he's worth a gamble.
Whereas if he stayed until the end of the season and then Rangnick and the club decided he wasn't good enough and he was sacked, it'd make getting his next job much harder.
Or maybe he feels his friend and former boss was unfairly sacked and is simply walking away on principal.
Who knows, but he was a fantastic player for us, and he has no doubt tried his best as a coach. It's hard to tell how good he is as the whole set up just wasn't working. Maybe he's a better coach than many give him credit for, or maybe he isn't good enough for the highest level.
I do wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours and he will always be welcomed back at Old Trafford.
8.) 03 Dec 2021 10:13:27
How embarrassing it was to read so many continually slagging him off as a player. You know who you are. Good luck Michael. Thank you.
9.) 03 Dec 2021 10:48:42
i doubt he's got any jobs in line.
dont forget him and the others that were with ole are just as to blame for the poor season so far. why mkenna is still there and phelan i do not know.
10.) 03 Dec 2021 11:02:42
Bolger,
We literally have no idea what jobs the staff were doing or whether Ole was listening to them or delegating or just making all the big decisions himself. McKenna is highly rated and working with the right manager will hopefully so well at the club. I’m not sure phelan will last too much longer.
Carrick has done a good job in the last couple of weeks, it can’t have been easy and he’s managed to steady what was very much a sinking ship at Watford, so fair play. It gives Ralf something to work with straight away and a bit of confidence going into Sunday. He will then have a week on the training ground with the players, hopefully he plays kids against Young Boys and sees if any of them are ready, Fernandez, Amad, Hannibal, Mengi, Elanga perhaps, just to take a look at them and give the first team a week of coaching in his new system before the mad Christmas run.
11.) 03 Dec 2021 12:11:08
i have respect for Carrick for his handling of the last couple of weeks and his playing career especially.
Am just a little disappointed he didn't decide to learn from Rangnick for 6 months and then take his break.
It would have been completely different philosophy and training ideas compared to Jose and Ole and he could have benefited from that immensely.
On the other hand I can understand why he feels it is the right time to leave.
Probably a huge learning curve involved and thus even less time for his family and probably would still have had to endure the stick from the fans.
All the best, let's hope he does evolve into a more expansive style of play before he comes back to the club as manager.
12.) 03 Dec 2021 13:12:01
Jonny, I think that's a really great point. Many of the world's top managers have learned a lot from Rangnick. Carrick may have just passed up the learning opportunity of a life time.
13.) 03 Dec 2021 19:13:19
Classy player and even more of a classy man. He leaves with his held high to spend some quality time with his family. i wish him the best in whatever the future holds for him.
14.) 04 Dec 2021 09:32:18
Ralf wanted to keep him but sometimes you just need a break from the intensity of it all I guess. Who knows after a 6 month sabbatical the new manager may want to bring him back on board.
Personally I think if he does want to pursue a career in coaching it would do him no harm to search for a role abroad in Spain, Germany or Italy and learn away from the spotlight.
15.) 07 Dec 2021 05:36:51
Every post about MC is spot on but to be honest I think he also feels responsible for the slump and decided a clean break and fresh start for everyone was best.
22 Nov 2020 23:43:25
If there are any legs in the press stories about Juve wanting Pogba and Inter wanting to swap Fred with Ericsson I would be up for that. Then I would go all out to get Declan Rice to be the new Matic.
{Ed002's Note - (a) They might be interested at the right price. (b) Inter want Eriksen moved on as soon as possible, preferably in January. If Manchester United were interested it would be as a Bruno Fernandes replacement.}
1.) 23 Nov 2020 10:19:05
Last year I was hoping United would sign Eriksen as we need an attacking midfielder. However, Bruno is our best player by a mile and VDB (while not getting much game time so far) is a great replacement for him as well as others in our midfield.
I'd much rather see us sign a defensive midfielder who is an improvement on Fred and Matic. The issue is we have too many players already so adding to that would be a problem.
2.) 23 Nov 2020 10:27:36
What happened with Eriksen Ed? Seems to have lost his way?
{Ed002's Note - It has not worked out and he is not a natural fit in the side and has asked to leave.}
3.) 23 Nov 2020 11:24:25
I like Eriksson. But now with bruno they fill the same role essentially so no need to go for him now.
Although there could all be clubs in for bruno soon enough and he may well get tempted to leave so maybe not a futile link.
4.) 23 Nov 2020 11:31:24
Not to sound too cryptic Ed but do we need to be looking at Bruno Fernandes replacements?
{Ed002's Note - It is not a position Manchester United are looking to add to right now as far as I understand.}
5.) 23 Nov 2020 11:34:44
Ed002 that is probably the second or third time you have mentioned a player being a Bruno Fernandes replacement. Is something going on with Bruno behind the scenes with him may be leaving the club soon?
{Ed002's Note - People keep asking about AM players who would be first choice - the only way that would work is if BF were moving on.}
6.) 23 Nov 2020 12:00:09
Ah ok, understood. Thanks Ed.
7.) 23 Nov 2020 12:39:45
Grass isn't always greener Eric79.
8.) 23 Nov 2020 21:06:54
I’d Eriksen for Pogba.
9.) 24 Nov 2020 00:46:36
Thanks Ed 02 for your reply. Could not Bruno and Ericsson work together a bit like De Bruyne and Silva did for City?
{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}
10.) 26 Nov 2020 11:26:56
He’s even slower than Matic. Finished as a decent player years ago.
13 May 2020 00:01:31
There are rumours that Angel Gomez migjt snub Utds offers and sign for Chelsea. I would be really upset to see such a talented young player leave. He needs a run in the team to prove himself. How can we afford to lose talent like his?
1.) 13 May 2020 00:20:29
Umm probably because he won't sign a contract.
We just signed bruno who everyone is rightly raving about, there are strong links with grealish.
Also for half of the season we had lingard and pereira being chosen ahead of him for every game.
I am not surprised if he wants out and i wish him all the best.
2.) 13 May 2020 04:05:58
All the best to him. Although I don't see him getting much game time at Chelsea either. They have twice the amount of midfielders than we do all around his age looking to break into the first team.
3.) 13 May 2020 08:07:56
The concerns amongst the training staff are about his ability to cope with the EPL physically. Now while superior ability can beat physicality, the player needs to be clever enough to know how to do so. While our coaching staff can see what Gomes is capable of against EPL players every day in training.
This season his competition for places was probably as weak as he will ever have while playing for a top side. An ageing Mata, an out of form Lingard and Andreas Pereira who isn't good enough.
Since the the club have signed Bruno Fernandes and are looking at players like Grealish who would further push Gomes down the peaking order.
He is a clearly talented lad, but he needs to play a season or two of "mens" football either in the championship or in a league such as the Dutch or Portuguese league to develop his understanding and ability to cope physically with a much more demanding style of football.
To that end maybe a move to a club like Chelsea who will invariably loan him out for a year or two might be a good move. Or he will sign a new deal with us and hopefully follow a similar path.
4.) 13 May 2020 09:34:16
Invariably loan him out? Sorry Shappy, but Lampard will give him a chance if he's good enough.
5.) 13 May 2020 09:56:48
RJ28P as would ole but simple fact of the matter is he’s shown nothing when given a chance to warrant more starts.
6.) 13 May 2020 11:00:04
Gomes is very talented, but if anyone has watched him in the u23s especially this season, he’s not warranted a promotion to the first team on those performances. If he goes to Chelsea, good luck to him.
Also you have to ask where he fits in the team? Better player than Andreas and lingard potentially but he’s not really shown much yet. Bruno is top quality so he doesn’t get in there either. I don’t think he’s in the same class as Greenwood either.
A talent, but not sure if he’s going to be as big of a loss as many say.
7.) 13 May 2020 11:52:30
RJ28P, Well that's my point, if he was putting in the performances at United in training then he would be given a chance in the first team.
At United he only had Lingard, Mata and Andreas Pereira to get past before we signed Bruno.
He can play either on the wing or in the No.10 position. Chelsea tend to play either 433 or 4231, so Gomes would be competing for a wide role in a 433 or in any of the three positions between the midfield and the striker in a 4231. So he will be competing with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Barkley, Pedro and Pulisic. Plus any other players Chelsea sign this summer.
Chelsea have an extensive history of signing young players and loaning them out. Gomes needs games every week, and currently he isn't consistent enough to do that at the top end of the EPL. So he needs a loan wherever he plays next season.
8.) 13 May 2020 13:00:49
RJ Lampard will give him a chance at the expense of whom?
9.) 13 May 2020 14:26:56
Pedro, Willian and Barkley will all likely be gone next season. And with respect, the reason why he isn't playing is because he is running his contract down, like Sancho did at City.
I've watched Gomes a lot (being fortunate enough to have access to a lot of youth games) and he's a talent on par with Hudson-Odoi and Saka if given the consistent minutes.
That said, it seems like the relationship at Utd has soured and it is right for the player to move on.
10.) 13 May 2020 14:48:12
Your right red whisky that goal in pre season against spurs didn’t show any promise. Haha. how many opportunities did he get in the number 10 position with the rest of the 1st 11 also playing.
11.) 13 May 2020 16:32:52
RJ, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume you are right about the three you mentioned. You think Gomes will slot into their MF ahead of Kante, Mount, Pulisic, Loftus, Kovacic, Gilmour, Odoi, Jorgino or Ziyach?
12.) 13 May 2020 17:51:31
Sorry pogthedog he scored one goal in a pre season match. I presume you have unlimited access to the training sessions to say he deserves a chance? Like shappy said if you don’t show enough in training to usurp the likes of pereira and Lingard then there must be a reason why he’s not playing. Ole has been a huge advocate of playing the youth and giving chances. Chong got minutes whilst refusing to sign so I find the idea he’s not playing because of refusing to sign irrelevant.
13.) 13 May 2020 19:32:41
He can certainly play wide in rotation with Odoi, Pulisic and Ziyech. As for pure no. 10s, the only one we have is Ziyech, Mount is better when allowed to sit a little deeper.
14.) 14 May 2020 00:55:21
I like gomes but the lad has reportedly been offered 30k.
Football can be simple, greenwood produced gomes hasn't. 30k and what else should we offer him?
15.) 14 May 2020 00:56:06
My worry is that if teams like Chelsea and Barcelona want to take him what is it that they feel they can get out of him that Ole cannot.
I understand all the points raised by you guys. On one hand if he was performing at a very high level then you would think that he would get a chance to shine in the first team. He is obviously not pulling up any trees but he is young and it must be terribly frustrating if you feel that you do not have rhe managers full confidence and are not going to get a run of games to settle in and prove how good you are.
We are all very happy and surprised at how well an established international £60m player like Bruno has done in such a short time. Yet he has lots of experience and is older than Gomez. Why then do people ezpect a younger player to come into the first team and immediately perform to a high level? Also on the rare times Gomez got a game it was when the team were still struggling. I really do feel he should be given the chance to make it at Utd. I know he is not quite the same player as Grealish but I think he has more natural talent.
For me the way to go would be to give him a decent contract and send him on loan for a season. He would get the games he needs, toughen up physically, and he might appreciate how special it is to have the facilities of and play for Utd. Beckham was loaned out and it didn't hurt his prospects.
16.) 14 May 2020 07:50:19
Salford, the issue is that he clearly hasn't done enough in training to convince he should start ahead of anyone else.
Under other managers you could say that maybe they don't give youth a chance. But Ole has given more than given youth a chance. People also forget that Gomes was given three starts in the Europa League, often against weaker opposition than we play most weeks in the EPL. How did Gomes do in those games? Occasional glimpses of talent, but drifted in and out of the game far too much.
If he can't do it against the likes of Astana then he will struggle against the Everton's, Spurs, Burnley's and Sheffield United's of the EPL.
He is a hugely talented player, but he isn't ready to play at the level we play at. He needs a loan or two in order to develop.
Unfortunately his contact is about to run out and he doesn't want to sign a new deal. Maybe making his debut at 16 has made him inpatient, maybe he has been told he will get more elsewhere.
Who knows. His size will hold him back in the EPL until he learns how to mitigate his lack of physicality. In youth football if you're quick you can avoid physical battles to an extent, but men's football is played at a faster pace, and quick feet alone will not get you out of trouble. You need to read the game well and position yourself in the right areas and be two steps ahead of the opposition.
It's not a case of him just bulking up, although he does look like he could be tackled by a stiff breeze. He needs to learn how to play in the men's game. He is best off doing that on loan as he will need to play 20-30 games a season to start to learn that. He can't get that here with him playing as he has done. So a loan is the solution.
If he signs for Chelsea he will almost certainly leave on loan at some point. As they are in the same boat as us.
If he signs for Barcelona I don't see him getting a huge amount of game time. They don't tend to play with a No.10 so he would be competing for one of the wide forward roles, against Messi, Dembele, Griezmann, Fati and Braithwaite, plus whoever else the club sign this summer. With Neymar being a key target.
He needs a season in the Championship, or to move to a more technical league in Europe on loan. Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium could all be good options.
I hope he makes it, whether that's with us or somewhere else. But it's a long road yet, and he needs to realise that if he is going to make the most of his potential.
17.) 14 May 2020 10:57:20
Sadly for me, Greenwood and Williams aside this is a very underwhelming crop of youngsters, referring to those of the age where they would expect to be getting chances in the first team and making an impression. I've seen Chong the most and he has shown nothing but a haircut I'm afraid. I don't buy the fact that Gomes' size is a problem either but neither has he done enough to suggest that he is any better than the thousands of other kids clubs of this magnitude scout every season. If the tens of thousands he wants every week aren't sufficient let him go, I'm sure we'll resign him for £50m in a few years!
18.) 14 May 2020 15:32:34
Spenno, most young players don't really start to have a regular impact until they are 21/ 22 years old after a season or two as squad players.
In that respect the likes of Rashford and McTominay are starting to reach that level of impact. While Henderson could when he returns from his loan, as could Tuanzebe if he can stay injury free.
However, the likes of Greenwood and Williams are ahead of where they would normally expect for players of their ages. While the likes of Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Chong and Gomes still have huge potential, but are probably a year or two away from making a serious impact in the first team beyond a few games.
That's 12 young players in total who have a chance to make a telling impact in our first team within the next few years. That's insane and at levels not really seen outside of Ajax or Barcelona.
While we have also signed AWB and Shaw who were two of the best young players in the league when we signed them. Dan James from the Championship. While we are chasing players such as Rice, Rodon, Sancho, Bellingham, Grealish etc some of the best young British talent around.
I would say we have two great groups of young players in our squad. The older group of players between the ages of 21-24 including; Henderson, Tuanzebe, AWB, Shaw, McTominay, Rashford, James and Martial.
With a younger group between 17-20 including; Larid, Williams, Dalot, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Mejbri, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.
Giving us 18 EIGHTEEN! players at our club who have a good chance of making it as at least good squad players, with some of them having genuine world class potential.
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10 May 2022 20:44:06
I think this transfer window will see us fall further behind. City have already started with Haarland and will def be ahead of us in signing a defensive midfielder. Liverpool will refresh their squad. Spurs need to buy and will to keep Conte. Arsenal will add players. Chelsea will spend a huge amount to catch up City. All of the above will be playing Champions League or Europa League. We won't be as an attractive option.
We should be going into the market now before the others and espec Chelsea start. Overall we are going to have to be realistic and realise the very best players won't be coming to us any time soon. The only advantage for ETH is that it may force his hand to sign players who will really want to wear the shirt and play with passion.
1.) 10 May 2022 22:01:06
How do you know all of them teams will be doing that? There is still a decent chance we will be in the Europa League as well. Will be an interesting summer.
2.) 10 May 2022 22:10:12
We are all well aware of the fact that we are no longer a top destination. We haven't been for quite some time despite the puffery of some of the United faithful. Everyone and his monkey knows the footballing side has been run by amateurs. In 2019 Jose claimed that finishing runners up with United was the highest achievement of his career - because people had no idea what was going on behind the scenes. In this he was right.
We will not get the top players because the top players want to play in the top clubs in the most important tournaments for the top coaches. So our future depends on us having a manager and staff who can help the club acquire players who will work hard, and become part of a team where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If things start going in the right direction then better players will want to be associated with us again. It's unlikely it will happen quickly, although if we can fix defensive midfield and defense generally, and if the likes of Rashford, Sancho and Bruno start to play up to the levels they have exhibited in the past, then I don't see why we should not push for top 4 next season.
3.) 10 May 2022 22:16:08
I think fans need to be careful with this PASHUN thing.
Its how we ended up getting AWB, Maguire and Dan James for £150m.
In hindsight we would have been better off signing no one.
The players need to have footballing ability as well.
4.) 10 May 2022 22:25:40
United haven't the budget, will be some £25m players and hopefully use their heads for once, and snap up some good frees. United can't spent everything on one player when about 5 areas need badly addressing. started with min 2 in midfield. This if it actually succeeds will take years to reach city or pools level, if United ever reach those heights again with the glazers.
5.) 10 May 2022 22:35:26
Klopp had Liverpool rocking within 3 years they were in equally a bad a mess.
6.) 10 May 2022 22:53:06
Agreed Ken, it can all quickly turn around with a couple of quality signings.
I'd imagine 2/ 3 windows could see us back up there.
7.) 11 May 2022 06:39:52
I have a feeling we will get Goncalo Inacio, Nunez and Timber.
Young talented prospects for the rebuild.
More than the players, we should be targeting top quality coaches to assist Ten Hag.
The amount of players whose progress has stagnated is huge.
8.) 11 May 2022 09:56:56
The level of performance of most of Utds players this season is at odds with their to me undoubted abilities. Passion alone is not good. Passion plus skill plus good coaching is what we need.
Bearing in mind it's a world Cup year soon and the limited time ETH will have pre season to impress his ideas on the players minds I think it's totally realistic to expect only slow limited progress this season. I cannot imagine Utd will be able to make a real push for top four. The other contenders with settled squads and managers who have all been in charge for a while and already with European competition guaranteed will for sure be working on and attracting top players. We are some way behind the curve. We haven't even signed ETHs assistant yet!
9.) 11 May 2022 10:04:46
It'll all be ok, Erik's already got them coming in 2 weeks early! :D
In all seriousness, looking forward to the next few months and bet despite coming off the back of a (hopefully) successful season at Ajax, ten Hag will be raring to forego those responsibilities and sink his teeth into our club.
I think for all the hundred names that are being banded about it's probably futile trying to predict who's going to come in. There will be surprises and curveballs in there for sure.
10.) 11 May 2022 12:18:02
I think we will but 5 possibly 6 players immediately who Ten Hag has already scouted with a view to his needs at Ajax. Appreciate they may be different from United but like all good managers he will have a longlist of players for every position, for next season and for future potential purchases too. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s no household names brought in, nor does there need to be. We need technically strong players who can fit into Ten Hag’s style and philosophy. If Pochettino had got the job I think Harry Kane at No.9 would’ve been a certainty. But blowing majority of the budget in the process. Same if we went for Rice or Bellingham. Great players and they will make City, Liverpool etc or whoever they join much stronger. But given the number of players we need and the likely budget available I’d be genuinely surprised if we pay over £40m for any one player. It’s not the names and reputations they have now that matter. It’s whether whomever we sign they can be a great player for us.
11.) 11 May 2022 12:32:14
I agree with your points Halesini, but if you don't believe we'll be spending north of £40m on any one player there are going to be a lot of disappointed forum members. No Antony, Nunuz, Neves for starters.
I feel the attacking options will be where most of the funds are spent.
Realistically, who is there that Utd have interest in that will fall into this bracket of costing below £50m?
12.) 11 May 2022 13:28:39
There’s players here already we have to hope ETH can improve and get the best from. 3 or 4 good signings and additions to the squad and you just never know a youth player or two stepping up. We could easily gain a few more points than this season’s total.
If we are honest next season we won’t win the title and heck we may not even make top 4 but it’s about progression. It’s about getting the foundation correct and then building on it. Give ten hag the tools he needs to succeed, then he can properly prove his ability.
13.) 12 May 2022 08:48:13
Like many fans, I ve been totally bewildered by the club over the last few seasons moreso, but strangley optimistic this coming season- (even though ewe aren't finished this one yet)
The first couple of names through the door will give an idea of eth vision going forward and if it is DE jong and say ignacio then that to me is gold!
Add nunez and a cb we are winning the negatives over i reckon. Always said the club needs to get rid of the tumbleweed, pogbamartial, lingard, jones, matic, mata, cavani and others in order to move forward: it looks like those mentioned wil go or be gone as out of contract, not getting minutes or no longer required.
Finally, with regards to the other clubs, they add players every window and no team goes out to buy lesser talent so nothing has changed. The big hoorah is haarland to city but hey they have to leave a good player out to play hinm and there's no guaratee he will do what he did in german league so let's be more aware and hopeful of our own teams antics.
14.) 12 May 2022 11:20:31
For a side having to play without a natural no.9 for the last two seasons City are doing pretty well, I'd say it's debatable whether Haaland will improve them as they'll have to play differently with him. But what a capture for the PL, can't wait to see him in action. But much more interested in what we do. The de Jong links come and go and I assume it's just a lazy Dutch link. But what a prospect if true.
03 May 2022 21:31:15
Did anyone watch how Garner played tonight?
1.) 04 May 2022 07:32:39
No shappy will post his stats I'm sure. You can't play Swansea every week.
2.) 04 May 2022 07:40:48
Come on ken, the lad deserves his chance with the rubbish we've been served up this season.
3.) 04 May 2022 09:08:52
Garner has been an integral cog in Nottingham's push towards promotion.
He plays progressive passes which is something Fred and McT lacks.
His set pieces have always been a threat.
Hopefully he gets enough opportunities at United to see his progress.
4.) 04 May 2022 10:06:27
Red whiskey he will get his chance to impress. But you will find out soon enough he is no better than mctom.
OK squad player but not the answer.
He has done well at forest in his 2 loan spells in the championship.
He is quite some way off epl standard at the moment but he could adapt and play 10 games a year for us just like jesse.
5.) 04 May 2022 10:46:14
From the reports that I have read and chats I have had with Forest fans I know Garner has been been one of the key players this season and important since the new manager came in. They would like to keep him and I think there would will be strong pull for this if they win promotion, will be interesting to see whether EtH sees his development as being better staying there or comeing in as squad player.
If he comes back Garner should be viewed as squad player who can fit in when our main midfielders need rest or cup games and he may develop and become more of a first 11 player. Garner has PL potential but as commented by my Forrest friends he will need time to work out if that is the top end that we need (Carrick type) or whether he ultimately will be a sub for us/ starter for lower end PL team.
6.) 04 May 2022 11:24:58
He does not play a Carrick type role for them it's a bad comparison. He is playing as the first press in midfield not the holding role.
Nevertheless he will get a chance in pre season unless forest make us a good offer I guess.
7.) 04 May 2022 12:08:23
He will likely have a better midfield to play in at forest lol.
8.) 04 May 2022 12:30:05
Sorry i agree with Ken, decent player but no better than what we already have.
9.) 04 May 2022 13:26:44
Tom Cleverly Mark II.
10.) 04 May 2022 16:24:57
With pogba and matic leaving I see no reason why he can't become a useful squad player. He may kick on he may stay as just that, a squad player but I agree he isn't the answer to the midfield issues.
11.) 04 May 2022 14:17:35
Ed014 has mentioned this before. Lauding guys before they have achieved anything is nonsensical.
Our past is lurkers with the next big thing only for them to under achieve on unrealistic expectations.
Junazzi macheda Wilson keane rash Greenwood cleverly welbeck and on and on and on.
Jesus when ole was our manager people rembered him as a top class player and not a perennial substitute that was never really 1st choice until he coveted injuries
Give me oshea butt Phil neville before any of these guys.
Best not to say how great sometime someone is until they prove it imo.
12.) 04 May 2022 18:08:58
Yes Ken ??.
13.) 04 May 2022 20:24:09
Interesting comments all of you but what I wanted to know was how he played last night in a crucial game. Did he help dictate play or did he freeze. I know it's only one game but we need players who can rise to the big occasion not just do it in the less pressured games.
14.) 05 May 2022 10:11:24
From what i seen he didn't do much.
15.) 05 May 2022 13:38:57
Salford,
To answer the question rather than change the subject to slag off a club legend because you hate him I will say it was definitely one of his poorer games the other night, in fact the only poor game I have seen him have this season, but forest were disappointing in general. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do for us next season, I think he could be a good squad player, has some very good attributes. A number of players have performed well in the championship and then proved to be top players in the premier league but others have faded so it will be interesting to see how he gets on.
16.) 05 May 2022 14:25:28
How many forest games have you watched the 90 mins this season. I've seen 4 full games I've seen him play OK 3 times and play well once.
Not going to be in our team next season that's for sure probably won't even be available to the manager.
17.) 05 May 2022 22:57:16
I remember watching Beckham playing for Preston and he didn't seem to be amazing but look at how he developed. Garner though plays in a really important position in which we currently lack a top player. I really want Utd to blood the youngsters but we cannot afford to make mistakes with our midfield.
{Ed007's Note - Ken is bang on. 12 years I've read about all these young potential superstars Utd had and everyone of them turned out dugmeat.
18.) 05 May 2022 23:13:31
Jeez what level of salty is this.
19.) 06 May 2022 11:02:51
I don't remember anyone saying Garner should be first choice for United next season?
I think he's a talented lad with potential, how much remains to be seen.
Yet his performances for Forest combined with us losing several players in midfield this summer means that he should definitely be given a chance next season (unless Forest get promoted as a year in the EPL playing most weeks for a team he's settled in would be far better for him) .
He should be given a chance, he's more technically gifted than McTominay and Fred, can he step up? Well we'll never know unless he's given a chance.
20.) 06 May 2022 14:07:32
Shappy - on what grounds is Garner technically more gifted than Mctominay and Fred?
He's been operating in a division below against poorer opposition.
Absolute rubbish!
21.) 06 May 2022 15:11:52
Sim, Garner has a better first touch, better passing, better understanding of space and position.
He doesn't stand behind an opposition player when his team have the ball.
He doesn't have a loose first touch meaning the opposition press him knowing they are likely to win the ball.
He can accurately pass over a greater distance than 10 yards.
He doesn't wander off up field and end up the wrong side of the ball when attacks break down.
He is better at many of the basics that Fred and McTominay struggle at.
That has nothing to do with the level of opposition and everything to do with a players individual technical level.
Can Garner perform at the level we need? Who knows, no one until he is given the chance.
As for players stepping up from the Championship I think you'll find that many very good players have learned their trade in England's second tier.
Mason Mount, Recee James, Bale, Walcott, Ramsey etc have all done well in the Championship before going on to playing well in the EPL.
Personally I don't think there is a league anywhere in the world that is better for preparing players for the EPL than the Championship.
22.) 06 May 2022 16:20:38
He will be given a chance shappy (I assume) nobody has said he won't be.
There is a list as long for players that have played in championship and not made the step up when required so your list is pointless.
He has done well at forest for the most part.
He will get a chance he might be a squad player he might start 10 games next season if he is lucky. It's a huge step up you see it regularly teams full of players that do well in that league getting relegated within 1 or 2 years because the gulf in class is huge. But the excelled in the championship.
You posted his stats from Swansea game why not post his stats from the other night. It just seems a bit like sing when your winning. That's your style though?.
23.) 06 May 2022 18:45:03
It's on Garner to force his way in the match day squad. I don't know if he will make it or not but this next season under a new manager is his chance.
If I were him I would be soaking up ETH style over the summer and learning my role and then turning up in great shape to pre season. I would have been working on the skills I know he will be requiring from his CM next season with the intent to blow him away at the start of per season training and force my way into the team.
I dunno bout Garner and his makeup but once I had a rest straight after the season I would be working harder than ever before if I were him. I would be wanting to show him that I was thw answer to the Midfield problem.
25 Apr 2022 04:54:28
It may well be that missing out on champions league football will proves to be a real blessing. The type of big name big fee players who are only looking for self glory will not want to play in the Europa league. If instead we get players who want to play for the manager and the shirt then we might get proper team.
1.) 25 Apr 2022 11:00:37
Honestly, I don't think it is ever a good thing to miss out on Europe. Maybe a bit more training time, but when we have been out of the CL we have still made rubbish signings for big money and big fees.
2.) 25 Apr 2022 11:02:10
Media just throwing names out as per Kane/ Rice/ Bellingham but Im more excited and interested in the names ED002 mentioned recently 90% id never heard of except Hadaria even now i've spelt his name wrong. get hungry players in and make them into superstars don't buy "superstars" needs the right mix of experience and young players who are technically adept and want to fight and run for 90 minutes every game. Hopefully none of them will have an instagram / tik tok / facebook account either.
3.) 25 Apr 2022 13:17:46
I'm not so sure. All players want to play in the UCL, regardless of whether they are a big name already or not. So not being in it definitely hurts our chances with any signing we look at regardless of who they are.
Personally I'm a little skeptical of players in their late 20's and early 30's who have been successful at the highest level being "happy" to move to a side not playing in the UCL.
I just ask why when they are in their peak would they want to waste a year of it at a club not competing for the biggest honours.
The reality is if you don't qualify for the UCL in a league that has 4 UCL places then not only are you not competing at the highest level in Europe, but clearly you are a couple of years away from competing domestically as well. You don't see teams that finish 5th or 6th make a jump to league champions the following season very often.
For me I wonder whether a player has the right attitude and appetite for success to move to a club in a situation like we are in while they are in their peak years. Players have 4-5 peak years at most. Why would you want to gamble spending your best years at a club that isn't competing for top honours. Lack of ambition, lack of self-belief, or because it's the biggest paycheck. None of them are good traits in a potential signing.
Missing out on the UCL just means we miss out on those players with sporting ambition, those that want to compete at the highest level. We could still sign those who just want a big paycheck, or lack ambition or self-belief.
4.) 25 Apr 2022 15:33:05
So what your saying there shappy is that players who sign for a club without cl have a lack of desire to compete at the top level?
What a load of bolloxollogy.
They may see a greater challenge in helping awaken a sleeping giant and take more satisfaction and reward from that than playing for a team in the cl that have little change of winning it.
It's a bigger challenge helping to restore united and one that players should welcome.
Your thought process is like most of our squad negative insular and cowardly.
5.) 25 Apr 2022 15:37:46
Problem is we would have probably qualified for CL even if we had kept Ole or even Carrick, I know you lot don’t blame Ralf for anything and blame every other teams manager who don’t do well but Ralf seems to have sidestepped it all, he is clever he deflects all the problems and blames everyone else, lowest win rate 40% of any united manger for years, even Ole who was not even a manager done better with the same players…. Really lads I know we got some poor players but Really are they this bad, I don’t think so! Now your all saying Ralf is saving the club getting them to by this player he got them TH, well maybe it’s nothing at all to do with him and it’s Woodwards replacement but because Ralf so clever he takes the praise! Come on a little bit of realism needed here!
6.) 25 Apr 2022 18:26:06
Not at all Ken, read what I wrote.
I'm SKEPTICAL of top level players at their peak choosing to come to a club that is 2-3 years minimum away from a league title.
Moving away from being a United fan ask yourself this. If you were a top level footballer, in their peak years with the next 2-3 years likely to be your best as a footballer. Would you want to join a club that hasn't won a league title in nearly 10 years, is out of the UCL and is likely 3 years away from truly competing again?
Younger players who are 3-5 years away from their peak years are (in my opinion) more likely to see United as a step up and not a sideways step or step down, and they are probably more prepared to join a club that is supposedly on the up with a highly regarded manager at developing young players.
If the club gets back to challenging for titles then great. If in 4 years time they still don't look like getting back to the top then you can look to leave and join a top side for your peak years, with a year or two left on your contact.
What is your level of expectancy for winning major trophies over the next 2-3 years?
Do you expect a league title? A UCL title? An FA cup or League Cup.
Personally I expect improvement in effort, in style, in performances. I expect to see players develop and improve. I expect comfortable top four finishes, closing the gap on City and Liverpool and a few domestic cup runs, maybe a FA or league cup win. Maybe a genuine title challenge in EtH's third season (finishing within a few points of the winners if not sneaking the title) .
As I see it next season is clearing the decks, and setting the foundations. The following season is building the squad in the managers image. With the third season hopefully adding the final couple of pieces to complete the team.
Someone like Harry Kane would be 31 before a serious title challenge.
My point is what drives a player to spend their best years at a club who won't truly be challenging?
7.) 25 Apr 2022 19:04:44
But let’s be fair Shappy you said when RR came in that he would improve some players, but now in reality he made everyone go the exact opposite way, even the ones you said he would improve have got worse, in fact is there a player who he as improved!
In my book anyone could have done what he done, made everyone worse still got no pattern of play, devalued everyone and somehow managed to deflect everything from him……. Everton in turmoil and was before Lampard arrived yet Lampard getting dogs abuse, how comes it’s his fault not the players but with RR it’s not RR it’s the players! RR is as much to blame for this as anyone.
8.) 25 Apr 2022 21:10:48
Ed's what's the odds that Juicer has the same IP address as our Romanian friend?.
{Ed014's Note - as far as I’m aware Shappy the Juicer is a Liverpool poster and been around a fair while.
Not seen our Romanian friend in a new guise yet.
9.) 26 Apr 2022 09:01:06
Ken, I think Shappy's comment is aimed only at players in their peak years, which is fair.
For a younger, up-and-coming player the challenge and romance of being at the heart of bringing a fallen giant back to the top could be quite appealing. They could spend a few years helping the club get back to the top and hit their peak just in time for the club to actually be competing for honours again.
For a player already at their peak though? Does an ambitious player really want to spend his peak years pushing a club back to the top, only to be past his best by the time they are actually winning stuff? Maybe some would be happy to be remembered for their role in getting the club back to the top, but for most I would say they want to be winning trophies in their peak years, not sitting on the bench and being a "voice of experience" in the dressing room while younger players win the glory.
It doesn't mean every player in their peak lacks ambition if they're willing to come to us, but it is a question worth asking.
19 Apr 2022 22:21:57
Watching Bruno apologise means nothing. Especially when he is asked if there is a lack of effort and he states he doesn't think that is so
I can't bear to hear such crap from our players.
1.) 19 Apr 2022 22:38:51
Bruno should go back and learn how to make a simple pass. Watch Thiago videos.
05 Apr 2022 20:48:42
Watching City v Athletico. How nice it is to see a well dropped team where every Athletico player is fully switched on and knows their jobs. Second half going to be a real chess game but imagine if we had similarly committed players and manager.
1.) 06 Apr 2022 00:34:39
I love the way the Athletico players fight for each other, but if i had to watch such a defensive display week in week out, then I might as well stop watching football.
2.) 06 Apr 2022 06:45:47
I agree too AAA, I love athletico they are brilliant at what they do and how hard they work for each other! I also love DS, however I don’t want him at United, I love what he does in Spain and what their all about but that’s it .
3.) 06 Apr 2022 08:01:24
Let’s be honest guys, watching how city play is far more fun.
4.) 06 Apr 2022 09:45:36
To be honest I thought City really were not at their best last night. Too slow, passing side to side, patient yes but also no real excitement. But the point I was making holds good for City too and is what Utd lack. Clear playing plans. Tactically astute and disciplined players. I prefer all out attacking too and the return leg in Madrid should be more open.
5.) 06 Apr 2022 10:01:31
They didn't have a single shot. So antifootball.
6.) 06 Apr 2022 10:07:59
It's never fun watching a side whose principle strength in every game is to nullify the opposition rather than use their own resources to score. Only listened on the radio but the commentator described all the little ways they wasted time, even ten minutes into a two-leg contest. For example players knowing it's a throw-in, but pretending they've misunderstood and carrying the ball slowly ten metres away for a free-kick, then slowly back again to take the throw. Stuff like that for the entire game. Admittedly it makes for a great game of cat and mouse, but it will be fun watching them through it all out the window if they need to score a few. And they are well capable, which is the frustrating thing.
20 May 2022 08:54:56
Not many players get past AWB. His failure was not being coached properly so that his attacking skills developed. I would keep him for at least one more season and see if he could improve in this area. It didn't hell him that he never played in a settled competent back four.
05 May 2022 22:52:26
Louis Suarez who knows a thing or two about goal scoring rates Nunez vvv highly and has urged his manager to sign him.
19 Apr 2022 22:24:08
As much as I like Garner and far from convinced that he is good enough to take us where we need to go.
01 Apr 2022 16:28:17
Football is football the world over. If someone understands the game and is tactically aware then Premier league experience whilst useful should not be the decisive reason to hire a coach.
16 Mar 2022 18:32:31
Don't care who it is if they have a sensible progressive plan and get individuals to run for 90 + minutes and play as a team to a predetermined pattern of play.
24 May 2022 01:27:51
Realistically I would hope that ETH gets us to be defensively sound. Without that foundation we will never get a chance to win a trophy and I don't mean by playing with a back four plus two holding midfielders.
23 May 2022 11:12:20
Perversely I think that because the players have been so bad this season and been called out for it they know they have nowhere to hide with the new manager and that they can't hide next season. Provides ETH does lay down the law and impose discipline and has a good idea how to use the assembled squad plus a few additions then we might do a lot better than many expect.
A lot of the players are far more talented than their performances have shown. Imagine Klopp or Pep in charge. I am convinced that the team would have performed significantly better. So let's ETH gets the time and resources and has the ability to so the same.
14 May 2022 22:54:38
Shaopy that reply of yours was a tad short for you. Are you feeling OK?
11 May 2022 09:56:56
The level of performance of most of Utds players this season is at odds with their to me undoubted abilities. Passion alone is not good. Passion plus skill plus good coaching is what we need.
Bearing in mind it's a world Cup year soon and the limited time ETH will have pre season to impress his ideas on the players minds I think it's totally realistic to expect only slow limited progress this season. I cannot imagine Utd will be able to make a real push for top four. The other contenders with settled squads and managers who have all been in charge for a while and already with European competition guaranteed will for sure be working on and attracting top players. We are some way behind the curve. We haven't even signed ETHs assistant yet!
07 May 2022 22:37:00
You can't blame the Glazers for today's spineless performance. Ultimately its the players who actually kick a football run fight and work as a team on the pitch. Or it should be. Sure the manager and coaches have huge input but as fans we would forgive the players for a lack of basic quality if we see the really trying. That's nothing to do with the Glazers. It's a sad indictment of the lack of pride of the players.
{Ed014's Note - oh I wasn’t blaming them for the performance that’s down to the hapless clowns on the pitch.
Who purchased the hapless clowns is on them.