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22 Nov 2020 23:43:25
If there are any legs in the press stories about Juve wanting Pogba and Inter wanting to swap Fred with Ericsson I would be up for that. Then I would go all out to get Declan Rice to be the new Matic.
{Ed002's Note - (a) They might be interested at the right price. (b) Inter want Eriksen moved on as soon as possible, preferably in January. If Manchester United were interested it would be as a Bruno Fernandes replacement.}
1.) 23 Nov 2020 10:19:05
Last year I was hoping United would sign Eriksen as we need an attacking midfielder. However, Bruno is our best player by a mile and VDB (while not getting much game time so far) is a great replacement for him as well as others in our midfield.
I'd much rather see us sign a defensive midfielder who is an improvement on Fred and Matic. The issue is we have too many players already so adding to that would be a problem.
2.) 23 Nov 2020 10:27:36
What happened with Eriksen Ed? Seems to have lost his way?
{Ed002's Note - It has not worked out and he is not a natural fit in the side and has asked to leave.}
3.) 23 Nov 2020 11:24:25
I like Eriksson. But now with bruno they fill the same role essentially so no need to go for him now.
Although there could all be clubs in for bruno soon enough and he may well get tempted to leave so maybe not a futile link.
4.) 23 Nov 2020 11:31:24
Not to sound too cryptic Ed but do we need to be looking at Bruno Fernandes replacements?
{Ed002's Note - It is not a position Manchester United are looking to add to right now as far as I understand.}
5.) 23 Nov 2020 11:34:44
Ed002 that is probably the second or third time you have mentioned a player being a Bruno Fernandes replacement. Is something going on with Bruno behind the scenes with him may be leaving the club soon?
{Ed002's Note - People keep asking about AM players who would be first choice - the only way that would work is if BF were moving on.}
6.) 23 Nov 2020 12:00:09
Ah ok, understood. Thanks Ed.
7.) 23 Nov 2020 12:39:45
Grass isn't always greener Eric79.
8.) 23 Nov 2020 21:06:54
I’d Eriksen for Pogba.
9.) 24 Nov 2020 00:46:36
Thanks Ed 02 for your reply. Could not Bruno and Ericsson work together a bit like De Bruyne and Silva did for City?
{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}
10.) 26 Nov 2020 11:26:56
He’s even slower than Matic. Finished as a decent player years ago.
13 May 2020 00:01:31
There are rumours that Angel Gomez migjt snub Utds offers and sign for Chelsea. I would be really upset to see such a talented young player leave. He needs a run in the team to prove himself. How can we afford to lose talent like his?
1.) 13 May 2020 00:20:29
Umm probably because he won't sign a contract.
We just signed bruno who everyone is rightly raving about, there are strong links with grealish.
Also for half of the season we had lingard and pereira being chosen ahead of him for every game.
I am not surprised if he wants out and i wish him all the best.
2.) 13 May 2020 04:05:58
All the best to him. Although I don't see him getting much game time at Chelsea either. They have twice the amount of midfielders than we do all around his age looking to break into the first team.
3.) 13 May 2020 08:07:56
The concerns amongst the training staff are about his ability to cope with the EPL physically. Now while superior ability can beat physicality, the player needs to be clever enough to know how to do so. While our coaching staff can see what Gomes is capable of against EPL players every day in training.
This season his competition for places was probably as weak as he will ever have while playing for a top side. An ageing Mata, an out of form Lingard and Andreas Pereira who isn't good enough.
Since the the club have signed Bruno Fernandes and are looking at players like Grealish who would further push Gomes down the peaking order.
He is a clearly talented lad, but he needs to play a season or two of "mens" football either in the championship or in a league such as the Dutch or Portuguese league to develop his understanding and ability to cope physically with a much more demanding style of football.
To that end maybe a move to a club like Chelsea who will invariably loan him out for a year or two might be a good move. Or he will sign a new deal with us and hopefully follow a similar path.
4.) 13 May 2020 09:34:16
Invariably loan him out? Sorry Shappy, but Lampard will give him a chance if he's good enough.
5.) 13 May 2020 09:56:48
RJ28P as would ole but simple fact of the matter is he’s shown nothing when given a chance to warrant more starts.
6.) 13 May 2020 11:00:04
Gomes is very talented, but if anyone has watched him in the u23s especially this season, he’s not warranted a promotion to the first team on those performances. If he goes to Chelsea, good luck to him.
Also you have to ask where he fits in the team? Better player than Andreas and lingard potentially but he’s not really shown much yet. Bruno is top quality so he doesn’t get in there either. I don’t think he’s in the same class as Greenwood either.
A talent, but not sure if he’s going to be as big of a loss as many say.
7.) 13 May 2020 11:52:30
RJ28P, Well that's my point, if he was putting in the performances at United in training then he would be given a chance in the first team.
At United he only had Lingard, Mata and Andreas Pereira to get past before we signed Bruno.
He can play either on the wing or in the No.10 position. Chelsea tend to play either 433 or 4231, so Gomes would be competing for a wide role in a 433 or in any of the three positions between the midfield and the striker in a 4231. So he will be competing with Mount, Hudson-Odoi, Barkley, Pedro and Pulisic. Plus any other players Chelsea sign this summer.
Chelsea have an extensive history of signing young players and loaning them out. Gomes needs games every week, and currently he isn't consistent enough to do that at the top end of the EPL. So he needs a loan wherever he plays next season.
8.) 13 May 2020 13:00:49
RJ Lampard will give him a chance at the expense of whom?
9.) 13 May 2020 14:26:56
Pedro, Willian and Barkley will all likely be gone next season. And with respect, the reason why he isn't playing is because he is running his contract down, like Sancho did at City.
I've watched Gomes a lot (being fortunate enough to have access to a lot of youth games) and he's a talent on par with Hudson-Odoi and Saka if given the consistent minutes.
That said, it seems like the relationship at Utd has soured and it is right for the player to move on.
10.) 13 May 2020 14:48:12
Your right red whisky that goal in pre season against spurs didn’t show any promise. Haha. how many opportunities did he get in the number 10 position with the rest of the 1st 11 also playing.
11.) 13 May 2020 16:32:52
RJ, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume you are right about the three you mentioned. You think Gomes will slot into their MF ahead of Kante, Mount, Pulisic, Loftus, Kovacic, Gilmour, Odoi, Jorgino or Ziyach?
12.) 13 May 2020 17:51:31
Sorry pogthedog he scored one goal in a pre season match. I presume you have unlimited access to the training sessions to say he deserves a chance? Like shappy said if you don’t show enough in training to usurp the likes of pereira and Lingard then there must be a reason why he’s not playing. Ole has been a huge advocate of playing the youth and giving chances. Chong got minutes whilst refusing to sign so I find the idea he’s not playing because of refusing to sign irrelevant.
13.) 13 May 2020 19:32:41
He can certainly play wide in rotation with Odoi, Pulisic and Ziyech. As for pure no. 10s, the only one we have is Ziyech, Mount is better when allowed to sit a little deeper.
14.) 14 May 2020 00:55:21
I like gomes but the lad has reportedly been offered 30k.
Football can be simple, greenwood produced gomes hasn't. 30k and what else should we offer him?
15.) 14 May 2020 00:56:06
My worry is that if teams like Chelsea and Barcelona want to take him what is it that they feel they can get out of him that Ole cannot.
I understand all the points raised by you guys. On one hand if he was performing at a very high level then you would think that he would get a chance to shine in the first team. He is obviously not pulling up any trees but he is young and it must be terribly frustrating if you feel that you do not have rhe managers full confidence and are not going to get a run of games to settle in and prove how good you are.
We are all very happy and surprised at how well an established international £60m player like Bruno has done in such a short time. Yet he has lots of experience and is older than Gomez. Why then do people ezpect a younger player to come into the first team and immediately perform to a high level? Also on the rare times Gomez got a game it was when the team were still struggling. I really do feel he should be given the chance to make it at Utd. I know he is not quite the same player as Grealish but I think he has more natural talent.
For me the way to go would be to give him a decent contract and send him on loan for a season. He would get the games he needs, toughen up physically, and he might appreciate how special it is to have the facilities of and play for Utd. Beckham was loaned out and it didn't hurt his prospects.
16.) 14 May 2020 07:50:19
Salford, the issue is that he clearly hasn't done enough in training to convince he should start ahead of anyone else.
Under other managers you could say that maybe they don't give youth a chance. But Ole has given more than given youth a chance. People also forget that Gomes was given three starts in the Europa League, often against weaker opposition than we play most weeks in the EPL. How did Gomes do in those games? Occasional glimpses of talent, but drifted in and out of the game far too much.
If he can't do it against the likes of Astana then he will struggle against the Everton's, Spurs, Burnley's and Sheffield United's of the EPL.
He is a hugely talented player, but he isn't ready to play at the level we play at. He needs a loan or two in order to develop.
Unfortunately his contact is about to run out and he doesn't want to sign a new deal. Maybe making his debut at 16 has made him inpatient, maybe he has been told he will get more elsewhere.
Who knows. His size will hold him back in the EPL until he learns how to mitigate his lack of physicality. In youth football if you're quick you can avoid physical battles to an extent, but men's football is played at a faster pace, and quick feet alone will not get you out of trouble. You need to read the game well and position yourself in the right areas and be two steps ahead of the opposition.
It's not a case of him just bulking up, although he does look like he could be tackled by a stiff breeze. He needs to learn how to play in the men's game. He is best off doing that on loan as he will need to play 20-30 games a season to start to learn that. He can't get that here with him playing as he has done. So a loan is the solution.
If he signs for Chelsea he will almost certainly leave on loan at some point. As they are in the same boat as us.
If he signs for Barcelona I don't see him getting a huge amount of game time. They don't tend to play with a No.10 so he would be competing for one of the wide forward roles, against Messi, Dembele, Griezmann, Fati and Braithwaite, plus whoever else the club sign this summer. With Neymar being a key target.
He needs a season in the Championship, or to move to a more technical league in Europe on loan. Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium could all be good options.
I hope he makes it, whether that's with us or somewhere else. But it's a long road yet, and he needs to realise that if he is going to make the most of his potential.
17.) 14 May 2020 10:57:20
Sadly for me, Greenwood and Williams aside this is a very underwhelming crop of youngsters, referring to those of the age where they would expect to be getting chances in the first team and making an impression. I've seen Chong the most and he has shown nothing but a haircut I'm afraid. I don't buy the fact that Gomes' size is a problem either but neither has he done enough to suggest that he is any better than the thousands of other kids clubs of this magnitude scout every season. If the tens of thousands he wants every week aren't sufficient let him go, I'm sure we'll resign him for £50m in a few years!
18.) 14 May 2020 15:32:34
Spenno, most young players don't really start to have a regular impact until they are 21/ 22 years old after a season or two as squad players.
In that respect the likes of Rashford and McTominay are starting to reach that level of impact. While Henderson could when he returns from his loan, as could Tuanzebe if he can stay injury free.
However, the likes of Greenwood and Williams are ahead of where they would normally expect for players of their ages. While the likes of Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Chong and Gomes still have huge potential, but are probably a year or two away from making a serious impact in the first team beyond a few games.
That's 12 young players in total who have a chance to make a telling impact in our first team within the next few years. That's insane and at levels not really seen outside of Ajax or Barcelona.
While we have also signed AWB and Shaw who were two of the best young players in the league when we signed them. Dan James from the Championship. While we are chasing players such as Rice, Rodon, Sancho, Bellingham, Grealish etc some of the best young British talent around.
I would say we have two great groups of young players in our squad. The older group of players between the ages of 21-24 including; Henderson, Tuanzebe, AWB, Shaw, McTominay, Rashford, James and Martial.
With a younger group between 17-20 including; Larid, Williams, Dalot, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Mejbri, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.
Giving us 18 EIGHTEEN! players at our club who have a good chance of making it as at least good squad players, with some of them having genuine world class potential.
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06 May 2021 23:50:46
I think we have a difficult two weeks ahead of us. The players must be tired and with so many games to fit in til the season ends I am not so sure we will finish 2nd. We might even struggle for top four.
I can see Villa and Leicester who are powerful running teams will both be fresher than us. Liverpool will be hell bent on beating us. I.
1.) 07 May 2021 06:08:37
We have to rest players, top 4 is pretty secure, let's not obsessed about finishing 2nd, we need to be fit and ready for the final.
28 Apr 2021 21:35:48
Watching City v PSG just shows how important a top manager makes a difference.
{Ed014's Note - shows just how far behind the rest are too!
1.) 28 Apr 2021 22:02:46
Watching Pochettino choke again makes me realise how lucky we were not to agree to pay Levy and Spurs 38m to make him our manager after Jose.
While there is a funny irony that PSG sacked Tuchel for being unable to take PSG to the UCL final, then in the same season Tuchel in on the brink of taking Chelsea to the UCL final.
Maybe it's the players, or maybe playing every week in a farmer's league means that they aren't being tested and pushed enough domestically to prepare them for the big games on the European stage.
It was pointed out that PSG's first 11 cost more than all of the players at the other 19 Ligue 1 sides.
It's the equivalent of Chelsea playing in the Championship, then wondering why they aren't prepared to take on Europe's elite.
2.) 28 Apr 2021 22:18:55
In what way did Poch choke just then Shappy? Did he tell Navas to be useless or the wall to part like the Red Sea? Or Gueye to to get sent off?
PSG were fantastic in the first half. You’re so fickle.
3.) 28 Apr 2021 22:29:36
Yh agreed fresh and when has he choked previously? Seemed to do a really good job at spurs.
{Ed014's Note - I think finishing 3rd in a two horse race when Leicester won it was a pretty big choke DSG.
4.) 28 Apr 2021 23:41:51
I think its the players at Pari. Having an unbalanced squad with top class quality upfront but no real ball quality from behind, full backs especially. Their midfielders are not help attack either so they depend on individual brilliance and dribbles from Empampe Neymar and Di Maria. Additionally they are not a team and they don't press, they must have conceded 5 against us, 5 against Bayern and today City turned the game, I don't think it is coincidence. That said I don't like Pochetino too much either.
Pochetino likes physical presences like Gueye and left Herrera out. Herrera is the midfielder that helps a lot more offensively than the others. In the last two games at Ligue one he gave two great asists at Empampe and last season he was one of their best players in all games until the final.
5.) 29 Apr 2021 06:56:57
Fresh
It is Shappys agenda to tell everyone that anyone other than Ole is a choker.
6.) 29 Apr 2021 07:46:37
I believe Poch made Spurs relevant for 3-4 years. Took them to a champions league final as well.
He also plays attacking brand of football.
Mind you that he joined PSG in the middle of the season.
If Shappy calls this as choking, then how about Ole who choked in 5 semi-finals? embarassing exit from CL after spending hundreds of millions?
7.) 29 Apr 2021 08:14:30
Tbf PSG always bottle it, wouldn't say its on Poch too much.
8.) 29 Apr 2021 08:15:19
True Red Devil
Exactly, Ole has choked semi finals, but according to Shappy that is progress. Only Ole has the DNA. Only Ole can lead us to the promised land of course.
On the same basis we choked, Ole choked, against Leeds.
I looked back at something that came up on a reminder this morning, something I posted on another forum exactly two years ago. “We needed a goal, Ole had Martial on the bench, but put McTominay on instead. The tactics in the second half were baffling, looked like don’t lose tactics. ”
What has changed in two years since I posted that? Nothing.
Also whilst City are favourites to go through it is only half time.
9.) 29 Apr 2021 08:40:24
If you read enough of shappys posts you know he will contradict himself eventually continuously.
10.) 29 Apr 2021 09:10:29
Not a fan of neymar and Di maria is a martial type player- every now and again but Would loved to have seen Verrati in our midfield.
Red Man - Ole chokes every week - his decision making is so poor.
11.) 29 Apr 2021 09:13:33
Pochettino while at Spurs chocked the title race when Leicester won it.
He choked the League cup final with Spurs.
He choked the UCL final with Spurs.
His team fell apart last night the moment the pressure was put on them. i. e. they choked.
Pochettino is paraded as a top manager, yet he has struggled to get any team across the line.
No doubt he is a good manager, personally I think he is a little overrated.
What I was really pointing out is that he is in no way worth the 38m it would have cost to get him from Spurs a few years ago.
12.) 29 Apr 2021 10:44:01
Shappy, you really don't do yourself any favours with these posts. You just seem bitter. Pochettino has consistently had his team's be more than the sum of their parts. He has climbed the footballing ladder organically and been rewarded with better jobs as he's gone on.
Everything you have said about him there could be said about Ole, but only worse.
You give our manager a reprieve for everything. Man Utd shouldn't be challenging for top honours because our rivals are too good. Yet you're accusing Spurs of not delivering major trophies because why?
The mental gymnastics you go through to try and build Ole up is incredible. Poch is a choker at PSG even though he's only there 6 months.
Ole on the other hand needs another few hundred million and another few transfer windows before we see the best of him. Even though next season will be his 4th.
Our manager can't even get to a final and you parade his semi final loses like a badge of honour. Though Pochettino is branded a choker because he lost a European Cup final to a fantastic Liverpool side who were helped with a dodgy penalty.
Whether you like him or not, over rated or not. He has improved each team he's gone to. Is very well respected in the football world and will go onto manage the world's biggest clubs.
This is Oles only hope for a top job and he knows it. You call Pochettino a choker for losing title run ins and cup finals, yet are willing to die on the hill for Ole who doesn't beleive in winning trophies.
One question for you Shappy. If we were 1-0 down at half time, would it be acceptable to give up in the game?
Then why is it acceptable to give up halfway through a season?
13.) 29 Apr 2021 11:09:20
Hasn’t Ole lost 4 semi finals? Can’t count 5 but maybe I’m wrong.
Mumbles, stop believing everything Ole says to the press and then crucifying him for it.
Shappy, agree on Poch, never been a massive fan and don’t see him as a top manager, very glad we didn’t pay what was needed for him, spurs would have been the only winners, no idea why this post became about Ole to be honest.
14.) 29 Apr 2021 11:28:39
The double standards from Shappy is unbelievable.
Ole after 2 years has struggled to get past Champions League group stage.
Poch with a limited budget and squad reached the Champions League final with Spurs.
Jose couldn't last 2 years with Spurs which itself speaks volume how well Poch did exceeding expectations .
How you seen the brand of football between Ole and Poch? It's like apples and oranges.
Poch was linked to Madrid, Barcelona and other elite clubs for a reason.
Will any of the top sides be interested in Ole?
No chance!
15.) 29 Apr 2021 11:54:25
GDS2, I certainly will hold Ole accountable when he speaks on behalf of Man Utd.
When asked about a title challenge, why couldn't he just say "there's half of the season left. We'll take each game as it comes and we'll see where we are come the end if the season"?
When asked about his inability to win trophies he could have said "we're getting close but we need to go up that extra gear and start getting to finals and winning trophies"
Everything the man says is about his own self preservation. His in game management is about not losing. Watch him grin ear to ear after a 0-0 draw.
He is petrified to say he's in a title race or that trophies mean everything, because he knows he'll struggle to deliver.
I can guarantee you that Ole would be happy as a clam being United manager finishing 4th for the next decade as long as he gets to park next to the managers parking spot at Carrington.
Everything about him is weak. He's the perfect stooge for the Glazers.
16.) 29 Apr 2021 11:42:11
Mumbles, No team in the EPL has come back from a losing position to win a the match more times than United this season.
So clearly there is a good mentality in our squad to not give up and to keep fighting and even overcome their failings to win matches. One of the biggest complaints this season has been that if started matches like we finish them then we would have scored a fair few more and conceded a fair few less. We might even have a few more points.
The thing I find funny on this site is the entrenching of view points from posters on other posters.
It was a post that doesn't even concern our club, it was about a match played in a competition that we are no longer in.
I expressed a view that I don't rate Pochettino as highly as many others, that I think he has had a few good chances to win things and has choked every time.
I extended that to say that I am glad the club didn't spend 38m trying to get him out of Spurs. Which I think only a fool would argue would have been good business seeing as 8 months later Spurs sacked him and you could have got him for very little.
At no point did I compare him to our manager. Yet several posters such as yourself, Red Man and TrueRedDevil suddenly felt the need to make it about my support for the current manager.
I am completely capable of discussing things beyond our manager and have opinions about football that do not concern Ole.
It's funny as it comes across like you are just spoiling for a fight, you need to shout your opinion loud and clear but you NEED someone in opposition to you so you can do so.
I've actually consistently said that Ole has clear limitations and that he doesn't look like the right long term choice to take us full circle and back to the top. I actually agree with a lot of what people say and think about Ole.
He is tactically limited.
He does say some daft things.
I do wonder whether he has the right mentality to be a top manager.
However, I am also able to consider the context of a situation and don't let my heart rule my head. I don't let my frustrations and disappointment lead me to saying things in the heat of the moment, or things that in hindsight look silly.
In my opinion for Manchester United to win titles we will need a better manager. However, given the people at the clubs track record I have absolutely no faith in them getting the next manager appointment right. How can I when they are responsible for Moyes, sacked 8 months into a 6 year contract. LvG, and his crazy antics, he was more entertaining than his football. Sacked due to boring the fans to death AND failing to secure top 4. Jose Mourinho, a man whose style and reputation is the very antithesis of what Manchester United is supposed to be. He was sacked after he turned the entire club against him creating a toxic atmosphere and losing the dressing room. We then come to Ole, a guy who is likeable and has done a lot to fix the problems caused by Jose, but a man who should have stayed as a temporary solution and should have never been given the job full time. Yet a good run and a somewhat lucky win in Paris and the club jumped on him like a pack of doughnuts at a weightwatchers meeting.
Four times our club have had a chance to hire a good manager, and four times they have made the wrong choice. That's why until the people making these decisions change then I have no faith in them making the next appointment well. It'll probably be Southgate after he chokes at the Euro's this summer now Giggs has made himself unemployable.
However, beyond the clubs inability to spot a good manager I don't believe that even if by nothing else but dump luck they managed to hire a good manager was a good fit for the club. I don't believe they would give that manager the tools to succeed.
There are constant rumours about player recruitment with much debate and protestations from all sides about who makes the decisions and process behind the hiring of players. Every single ex-manager has said they were given players they didn't ask for and were denied players they requested. Which begs the question of who is running recruitment and why aren't they being held accountable for the 1 billion we have spent on transfer fees over the past 8 years with very little success.
Someone also makes strange decisions when it comes to player retainment. Giving big new contracts to players who are clearly not a part of the managers plan. Or keeping players against their will because they are marketable. Neither helps a manager when he has players who don't want to be there and players he doesn't want taking up space in the squad.
While there seems to be a clear lack of ambition by the club to kick on when we qualify for the UCL the amount the club spends on transfer drops by 50%, from around 150m to 70m.
Then there is the drop off in the wage bill which further highlights a lack of ambition. From having the second highest wage bill in world football to having the 6th. Over taken domestically by both City and Liverpool, with Chelsea nipping at our heels.
Finally we have the ESL which was the brain child of the Glazers and FSG over at Liverpool. Our club being one of the biggest drivers behind that idea is a huge stain on our club.
The club is rotten from the top to the bottom, they removed "football club" from the badge many years ago which is symbolic as we are not run as football or sporting institution anymore. We are a business, plain and simple and success is measured on the spreadsheet and not the football pitch.
Changing the manager will not change any of that, all it will do is hush up a few fans for another year or two. Until the shiny new manager can do no better than the guy before him. Then the fans will start to stamp their feet and the cycle will start again.
Ole has done somethings right and I choose to focus on that, better the devil you know and all that. There are no guarantees the next manager will give young players a chance as Ole has done. There are no guarantees that the next manager wouldn't see the return of the toxic atmosphere which Ole has dispelled.
While until there are serious changes higher up then the manager will have all the same limitations placed on him as Ole has. Relative success rewarded with a lack of backing to push on. Not being given the players they need, while being expected to work with the players they have no matter how poor or ill-suited they are.
It's not that I think Ole is the best manager for the job, but I just don't see another manager doing significantly better under the circumstances.
17.) 29 Apr 2021 13:36:53
Why you attack Shappy guys? He only said that Pochetino is overrated. Thag doesn't mean he is not good. But ideally i wouldn't want him near my club as he is overated and prefers physical presence more than technical abilities and there are much better coaches out there.
That said the problems at Pari are deeper. Pari didn't play as a unit under Touchel and then Touchel goes at Chelsea and suddenly they look like a team. Pochetinos Spurs played as a team and then Pochetino goes to Pari and they play like individual stars.
18.) 29 Apr 2021 14:19:54
Overated by whom herrera?
19.) 29 Apr 2021 14:52:05
Because Herrera, I couldn't (allegedly) assault my girlfriend and then come on here and give Giggs abuse for (allegedly) assaulting his girlfriend. It's hypocritical.
Everything Shappy levelled at Pochettino can be levelled at Ole and then some.
Shappy, you move the goalposts so much you must have arms like Schwarzenegger. There was a slight vitriol element to damning of Pochettino because some fans would like him to replace Ole. You simply don't practice what you preach.
20.) 29 Apr 2021 15:29:32
Mumbles, I think this is where it becomes clear you just have an agenda and want to make everything about Ole.
"Watching Pochettino choke again makes me realise how lucky we were not to agree to pay Levy and Spurs 38m to make him our manager after Jose. "
That is what I said in my OP about Pochettino. I never slated Poch, I literally just said his record didn't match up to the record 38m we would have had to pay to bring him to United.
If you want to argue that then I'm all ears, tell me why Pochettino was worth 38m? I'd genuinely love to hear why you think he was.
I then went on to say this:
"Pochettino is paraded as a top manager, yet he has struggled to get any team across the line.
No doubt he is a good manager, personally I think he is a little overrated. "
Again I'd love to see you argue I was wrong in any of that. Firstly he hasn't won anything so he has failed to get his teams across the line despite having several opportunities to do so.
I said he's a good manager, argue against it if you want, again I'm all ears.
The last part is I have said that I think (my opinion) that he is overrated. You want to debate that then cool. As clearly stated I have said its an opinion, and one based on the fact that many people in the press refer to him as a top manager despite him never winning anything. I think he is a good manager, but I just don't agree that he is one of the best in the world. While I certainly wouldn't want to see our club pay 38m to make him our manager.
Nothing I said was in relation to our manager, I never compared the two. It was you that decided to bring Ole into it, and it is you that seems to have an obsession with him.
As for everything I said about Pochettino could be said about Ole, well let's check it shall we?
I said Pochettino is a choker, yeah fair enough you could say the same about Ole. Although Ole does have a league title as a manager, he has also not lost two finals. But I'd say its fair to say they are both choke artists.
I said Pochettino is a good manager, so you think Ole is as well then. Cool.
I said Pochettino isn't worth 38m, I think we can all agree that Ole isn't worth 38m either.
I said Pochettino is overrated, I'm not sure you'll find many people who believe Ole is overrated. I've certainly not seen anyone calling him a top manager.
Not vitriol just opinion that I think he is overrated and not worth 38m. Like I said if you want to argue those points I'm all ears.
21.) 29 Apr 2021 15:44:48
I agree Mumbles, Shappy moves the goalposts. But in this post i don't see it as a Pochetino vs Ole. We say that Pochetino is not so good (or he he is but overated too) and this has nothing to do with Ole.
Ken I think from everyone. When he was at Totenham People spoke about him like he was Pep.
22.) 29 Apr 2021 16:59:23
You don't get to post in a vacuum Shappy. I'v been on your side of the argument over the years and against it. Unfortunately most things we post on this site are intrinsically linked. Every poster has a history and an identity.
You may have never mentioned Ole specifically, but you did mention how you are happy we didn't go to get him. Which brings us around that roundabout again where you think no manager could do a better job, and I wholeheartedly disagree.
You say Pochettino isn't worth £38 million. He was unemployed for awhile after that too .
You think Pochettino is overrate. I think he's a fantastic coach. I think he consistently had his teams higher up the table than they should have been. Done a fantastic job at Spurs as they didn't spend too much and consistently finished in the top 4 which is no mean feat all while moving into a new stadium.
His teams play attractive football, his teams work hard. He carries himself very well. He ticks the majority of boxes a top coach should tick.
He has shown with Southampton and Spurs that he can meet their expectations over a sustained period. We'll see how he does with P. S. G. He has a great future in management ahead of him. He is the perfect candidate in my eyes to take United forward, but unfortunately, we're still living with 1999 in our memories.
23.) 29 Apr 2021 16:08:12
I don't think that's fair herrera. I don't feel everybody overates him at all.
I think he is a good coach never called for him to be appointed here.
I think shappy is fair when he says he is a good manager but has struggled to get his 1st trophy. He may not win the French league with psg this year.
The 38m is a load of made up nonsense story again click bait nonsense.
He didn't choke v Liverpool in the el final at all they were beaten by a really good Liverpool side.
Good manager his spurs and Southampton teams played a nice attacking entertaining style easy on eye but flattered a little imo.
24.) 29 Apr 2021 19:39:05
Thats fine Ken mate. I don't see this as disagreement, i think we say the same thing more or less. I also agree that he didn't choke, he played against a better team and lost. Furthermore he didn't had a fully fit Kane in the final match and that's the only thing i can "accuse" him for. I think Kane should have not started because after injuries he wants 3-4 games to find form like our own Martial. He was one of the worst players at the final.
21 Apr 2021 19:26:52
Having had a few hours to reflect on things I do wonder what happens longer term. I cannot believe that the owners of the bigger clubs are just going to crawl away tails between their legs.
They all got involved (possibly apart from Abramovitch) to take advantage of undervalued assets and to monetise them. As business men this will still be their aim. The only reason for them to invest in players is to keep the advertising revenue and tv deal money coming in so they can withdraw huge dividend payments etc.
The fact that Old Trafford has been neglected and as a sporting arena lags far behind the facilities at eg Arsenal City and Spurs shows they don't care about the fans even when charging high prices to sit in a dilapidated stadium with poor access and on site facilities.
I am sure that in a year or two or possibly more the owners will try again to grab a bigger share of the money.
As a secondary issue. IF and it is a big if. If all the lesser non Big Six clubs can get their acts together both here and with their continental counterparts they could really push and take advantage of their current position of strength to bring in strict rules limiting the maximum amount of income that can be spent on players and agents fees. The agents need to be properly regulated too.
1.) 22 Apr 2021 02:18:57
That is why there must be punishment for the rebel clubs. Make it unappealing to do it again. I would ban players from euros, big points deduction this year in epl, even relegation. Otherwise it will happen again.
2.) 22 Apr 2021 09:08:24
Why punish the players?
3.) 22 Apr 2021 12:32:29
How can a fine work against an end game that provides more money than anyone can imagine?
But punish the teams and players through points and bans and the fan power and player power will work to stop this ever happen again. Or at least prevent it coming in the form of a breakaway controlled by the clubs themselves.
21 Apr 2021 01:05:20
One hopes his successor had been identified and possibly even approached. If not we will be in an even bigger hole.
1.) 21 Apr 2021 09:15:05
I wouldn't guarantee that, despite the clubs line that this was a planned moved, I think that is BS.
This was a direct result of the collapse of the ESL and maybe ontop of the failure of Project Big Picture was the breaking point for the Glazer's.
Don't worry Ed has a well known Deputy who will now be looking to step into his shoes.
21 Apr 2021 01:03:58
Pressed send by mistake so carrying on my prev post about Woodwards successor. he must be astute commercially but have a genuine knowledge of football and affinity with the manager players and us the fans.
If as is being quoted Woodward's leaving was already planned then one.
27 Apr 2021 22:15:18
Not convinced about Silva. Is he really going to get 20+ league goals a season? I would love to give two of really good u23 team forwards a chance
And we desperately need another creative attacking midfielder.
17 Apr 2021 22:04:34
Not good enough. We need a striker guaranteeing 20+ goals a season. Also has to be one who leads the line like Cavani.
13 Apr 2021 14:48:34
Agree with jgb. Not good enough. doesn't stand out in an average Wolves team.
29 Mar 2021 22:39:38
Sarr was fantastic in the french league and played very well for Watford in the premier league. I would welcome him.
23 Mar 2021 09:56:10
I can't believe people write off Grealish so easily in favour of Neto.
Grealish has performed at a very high level for two or three seasons at least. He has carried Villa this year. Since he was injured and not played their results have taken a nose dive.
Grealish is still among the top of the stats charts showing how many fouls he has drawn, chances created, etc despite not playing for a month now at a busy time of the season.
Yes Neto looks good but with him its buying potential whereas Grealish is the real deal now. Grealish has matured into a fine player and if we could ger him Ings and a proper defensive midfielder it would improve our team immeasurably.
03 May 2021 08:56:46
Good post but it is sobering to note that match day revenue from us paying supporters is dwarfed by advertising revenue. The Glazers would possibly be embarrassed by empty seats but financially it won't really hurt them so much.
27 Apr 2021 00:16:54
Scholes shows why this team and this manager at the moment at least are not true contenders.
Leeds are an average middle of the table team at best. We should be beating them. Yet again we saw that if Bruno is not firing on all cylinders the rest lack creativity and the drive to get a win.
Would Pep have been happy with a draw? Definitely not. Would Sir Alex? Again definitely not. Would Keane or Gary Neville have been satisfied with that limp performance? Again no chance.
We need another creative attacking midfielder and for me Grealish is perfect. We also need a manager to be more adventurous with
a) his initial formation and team
b) strategy
c) his substitutes both in timing of their introduction and how attacking they ought to be
This season we have drawn too many games which were eminently winnable.
Next season is going to be a lot harder. Chelsea will invest and have a proper manager, Liverpool will also invest and have a proper defence with Van Djik back. City will buy a top centre forward. Spurs will get a decent manager and could not be as bad as these last two months. Leicester may not spend big but have a clever scouting department and buy players who fit into the system wanted by a tactically astute manager.
So no. That performance against Leeds was not good enough.
23 Apr 2021 18:11:38
Cantona
No if he signed it would send the wrong message. Get rid of Martial and buy a younger willing attacker instead.
23 Apr 2021 12:27:40
Hope they are rubbish. Not what we need an ageing star on mega money not prepared to do defensive duties.
21 Apr 2021 22:11:10
City effectively won the league months ago. They have been the best team by a distance. Hate to admit it but am not an ostrich.