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10 Jan 2020 14:52:10
From reading the posts here on a daily basis, it gives the impression / illusion that most posters have inside knowledge on the runnings of the club apart from the insight from ED2, the way that posts are structure.

St.Lucia Red Devil

{Ed033's Note - What might give someone that impression is that most posters are highly knowledgable and highly intelligent?


1.) 10 Jan 2020 15:35:24
It gives me the impression people need to get a grip. It’s like a vortex of doom with poster after poster adding even more soon and gloom. We know things are not right but blimey, some people need to lighten up. Just my option but all opinions are valid eh ken.


2.) 10 Jan 2020 16:08:45
Absolutly ajh all are valid even the doom and gloom eh tony.


3.) 10 Jan 2020 16:09:27
Well said 🤣🤣.


4.) 10 Jan 2020 17:42:36
Vortex of doom 😂 made me laugh that one.

When we lose people just use this place to offload I think, we are losing a lot so seeing a lot more new posters with wonderful insights into everything.


5.) 10 Jan 2020 18:01:28
More and more posts also seem to be digs at other posters too.

{Ed025's Note - thats just frustration i think angel...still wrong though mate..


6.) 10 Jan 2020 18:47:52
I just can't believe I have been on this site for 10 years.

There are a lot of knowledgeable people on this site and if you want you can ask Shappy/ DlIB to explain to you in a 500 word essay. 😂😂😂.

{Ed025's Note - love it singh..


7.) 10 Jan 2020 19:27:32
And there you go, Angel ^^^ :)


8.) 10 Jan 2020 19:35:19
You should go on the live chat sometime, Ed025. It's a total bitchfest.

{Ed025's Note - i know noucamp, i have been present at quite a few mate..


9.) 10 Jan 2020 21:01:09
Why can't we all be friends nou 😂.


10.) 10 Jan 2020 21:02:20
Yes ed, frustration of course. Some people let it consume them though. We've been a very privileged club for years now, winning, consistently at the top of our game. Swings and roundabouts. We are quite lucky we have money available to make it swing a bit faster too.

{Ed025's Note - thats half the problem though angel, when you have been at the top for so long its hard to accept mediocrity, and clubs selling players boost up the prices as soon as they know united are interested, then it becomes hard to get shut of them mate..


11.) 10 Jan 2020 21:37:07
Where is the love, Angel? I actually made a New Year's resolution to scale it back on here, especially with Red Man. Though I think he'll secretly miss me :)


12.) 10 Jan 2020 23:23:26
Nou

I didn’t make a resolution, ok maybe try more white instead of red wine. Thought a few times about commenting a bit less, then what the hell, it means too much to me. Stevie, would miss the craic if you do less.


13.) 11 Jan 2020 10:34:57
White every time! Just going to try and avoid the posts with petty digs and snide remarks. I'm going to limit myself to pithy observations, witty ripostes and humorous rejoinders 😁.


14.) 11 Jan 2020 12:51:38
Nou

Has to be a Chardonnay if white. Which type of white is your poison?

Oh and how do you see today?


 

 

07 Jan 2020 22:32:47
And the Ole Saga Continues. What arguments shall we witness today. Will the Ole backers keep the faith or will the naysayers convert them. Tune in today for another exciting episode What Is Wrong At Man Utd.

St.Lucia Red Devil

1.) 07 Jan 2020 22:52:32
Not many left to convert st Lucia.


2.) 08 Jan 2020 00:13:11
Still a few Ken ;)


3.) 08 Jan 2020 00:30:03
do not want to offend anybody. but those left do not have a white stick and a labrador do they.


4.) 08 Jan 2020 02:24:13
When you saw the team sheets, what did you think was likely to happen daz? We have a choice of Fred, Andreas and Matic in CM.

Jones at CB.

We need a few players back and a few players out, and a few players in.

I know there is a clammer to hatchet Ole for what us happening right now, but the guy doing a pretty good job with what he's got in my opinion.

I may now be the loan voice 🤣.


5.) 08 Jan 2020 07:41:29
Yes Dodgybanter we did have a choice of Fred, Andreas and Matic, but Ole still insists on starting Jesse, Why.


6.) 08 Jan 2020 08:54:35
because there is no one else in the 10 role to play who is better and maybe he doesn't want to fully kill the guy, his confidence is rock bottom, everywhere and everyone has made it known how poor he has been and other than lingard who else can play the 10?

gomes? no where near good enough. mata has lost his legs and is not good enough,


i don't like lingard but he is the only option we have. unless we change formation.


7.) 08 Jan 2020 09:43:34
We could play Young in there as a 10? Not the long term answer but better than Lingard, Pereira and Mata.
Obvious choice would be Gomez but he’s maybe being overlooked as he wants to leave.


8.) 08 Jan 2020 13:57:47
gomes has had games to show what he can do and he is not up to starting,

this is where we need to play a formation that suits the p, layers we have.

i don't get why we continue to play the same way when its not working.


9.) 08 Jan 2020 15:56:39
I get Gomes has not shown that much when he's started but let's not pretend Lingard, Mata and Pereira have shown anything better.
The differnce is the others have had numerous chnaces depsite being rubbish and Gomes dose not. By watching him play you can tell he's a clever laying with good/ quick feet and has a nice touch. Lingard and Pereira are simply not good enough.

Like i said that's maybe because he wants to leave.


10.) 08 Jan 2020 18:11:04
Eh, why play a formation that requires a 'no10' when wee don't have one in the squad.
352 doesn't require a10
442 does not require a10
433 does not require a 10 as such.
But no we put triangles in round holes.


11.) 08 Jan 2020 23:39:52
Sorry but how can you say Gomes is no where near good enough he's hardly been given any chances and when he has come on it hasn't been in the number 10 position until yesterday when he contributed to our only goal.


 

 

03 Dec 2019 22:57:48
Question for anybody who wishes to answer. If the club decides to sack Ole if he loses the next 2 games and hires everyone's preferred choices in Poch or Allegri and they're backed in the January window and results don't improve i.e we continue in the same vein of inconsistent results or / and performances, and there is no improvement in style or pattern of play, are you willing to afford them the time?

Based on some posts I've read here that should be more than enough time to implement some change based on the works done by Lampard and Rodgers at their respective clubs.

St.Lucia Red Devil

1.) 04 Dec 2019 07:02:31
If we appoint someone who knows what they are doing we do need to give them time and be patient. We should see a structure about how they want to play, something we have not seen from OGS. If we appointed Simeone for example, his portfolio of work at Athletico has been excellent in the difficult shadow of Madrid and Barca, in fact the way he has got amongst those two is not too dissimilar to the way SAF broke up the old firm. Dislodging Barcelona with Messi or Madrid with Ronaldo was a bigger challenge. Still the point remains, I for one would feel in far safer hands with someone like that in charge, rather than someone who relegated Cardiff.


2.) 04 Dec 2019 08:30:32
Lucia, Shappy answered that of sorts on the Discussions page.


3.) 04 Dec 2019 08:42:48
Yeah but he hasn't got all day to read it😂.


4.) 04 Dec 2019 09:00:31
It will be an endless cycle of fans not showing patience and the manager being fired because he doesn't bring instant success.

Until the foundations are laid, then everything built upon uneven ground will crumble and fall down around us.

We will not be successful under any manager until the club has some vision, direction and a stable plan. Until the club knows it's identity, and can distinguish between the wrong person to bring in and the right one on every level then we will continue to struggle.

Soon the club will be known for damaging managers and players reputations rather than enhancing them. At that point bringing in the right sort of people will become harder and harder. Then it becomes a very long road back, 10-20 years or more.

Think about Liverpool in the late 90's through all the 00's and even through most the 10's. They struggled to get the best up and coming managers, and even when they did get a good manager they couldn't attract the top players. They still managed to bring in some excellent players, but only by bringing them in as young unproven talent and developing them. They couldn't consistently bring in the right calibre of player so could never take that next step until recently when they could both afford and attract the right level of player and bought VvD and Alisson. Which elevated them to that next level.

30 years to get back to the top because they lost the ability to attract the top players. We are losing that now. Another couple of bad appointments and we will have lost it. We can't afford to be arrogant and say "we are Manchester United, the best will always want to come to us" the truth is even under Sir Alex at the peak of his powers we were unable to bring in some of the biggest names. Batistuta, Ronaldinho, Maldini, Nesta, Del Piero, Thuram and Seedorf these are all players we tried to sign at one point or another and couldn't convince them.

So let's move on from that arrogance and misbelief.

Ole might not be the right man, he isn't doing the best job in terms of results. And ultimately that will cost him his job. But is the club ready, prepared, have a plan for what comes next? If not then it will be more of the same regardless of who is managing the side.


5.) 04 Dec 2019 09:32:05
11,2,11,10,11. Fergie's first five seasons here.


6.) 04 Dec 2019 09:41:10
We need to survive this season and Ole has not shown any experience to suggest he can help with that.

Patrick I supported for 20 years already when SAF arrived. How many times must we explain what he did at Aberdeen bares no resemblance to relegating Cardiff.


7.) 04 Dec 2019 10:00:29
Red man, we might be further away from top four than we would like. But the club isn't going to get relegated this season.

That wouldn't happen even if me or you were in charge. There are at least 5-8 sides playing worse than we are. Saying the club will get relegated unless we sack Ole is hyperbole, plain and simple.


8.) 04 Dec 2019 10:02:41
Shappy, the man has had a year in charge. No improvement in the players. Tactically inept. We are on a downward spiral. What we need now is a coach that can get the best out of the players and there are coaches available who would do a better job than Ole.

Any sort of improvement and he would have the support but he's not taken his chance. If the new manager is in 12th after 1 year in charge, then they'll lose their job.

The bare minimum should be us challenging top 4. We're closer to relegation. That is not progress. It hasn't worked out for the man. The decisions he made in hindsight were naive and winning 1 in 4 as the manager of Manchester United should never be acceptable.

{Ed001's Note - the are a number of things people are forgetting when they trot out Fergie comparisons. For starters Fergie was a proven winner, with a track record of winning trophies. Secondly he had to completely rebuild the club from top to bottom, apart from the academy. Ole has no involvement in most of that, he is a head coach not a manager. Thirdly he had to completely change the way players approached the game, as he took over a team still stuck in the 70s drinking culture. Ole's players are, mainly, good pros who understand they need to eat and drink correctly.

Ole's responsibilities are training and tactics. Nothing else. So the only questions are whether he is keeping the players fit enough, whether they are organised in their play, whether they understand what they are meant to be doing, if they are improving under his guidance and if he is tactically getting the most out of his team.}


9.) 04 Dec 2019 10:08:33
Its quite common when a new manager comes in either permanent or caretaker, that there is a spike of better form/ results or performance. In ole's case it was more than a spike and I reckon he was given the job prematurely.
A lot of behind the scenes reasons as to why the form and results have become so poor but tactical awareness and personnel are the primary reasons for failure. Ole doesn't seem tactically strong and has no plan a, b or c :it seems like he just sends the players out and they have to work it out for themselves.
Regarding personnel, maquire is the most overated player in the squad with his game lacking pace and consisting of either a 10 yard pass to lindlehof or an innacurate blast to williams/ left full back. In the case of williams on Sunday he did the same thing approx 16 times and although footballers aren't generally known by mensa membership numbers, even the most inept could work out to stop the ball down the line to james/ rash by closing the yopungun down and forcing it inside to fred.

Lindlehof looks flustered and awb form has deteriated to the point were he can't cross the half way line never mind the ball.
We have understaffing in mid areas along with injuries, lack of mobility and ability. Upfront we have a threat but if any of rash, james or martial are injured we have no goal threat.
We are a team in transition and it takes time and is a never ending task to improve any team but without a core of ateam we will continue to languish mid table with poor results. Its 6 seasons on from saf and we have overall never progressed to 2013 levels that we were at :we have regressed. We haven't got many more chances to get on the right path so the next move imust be a right move.


10.) 04 Dec 2019 10:52:19
Redman, do you think Fergie would have kept Cardiff up? Aberdeen were as good as Celtic and Rangers - both in decline. Fergus was close to the sack at United. Playing appalling football and losing. Yes he did turn things around, but it took six years. And stop playing the age card I am older than you!


11.) 04 Dec 2019 10:57:53
I think what ed001 is saying is of fundamental importance. People like Fergie and Wenger were trying to change the nature of the English game - changing broad attitudes to training, lifestyle, and general professionalism. To do this they were given a guiding role throughout their respective clubs.

Ole, in contrast, is the first team coach. His job is to put the right team together to develop the best tactical approach to win games given the players he has. When I hear nonsense like Ole is changing the culture at the club, I cringe at the blatant lies. What Ole means is that he is trying to motivate players to work hard. It’s not changing a culture like Fergie did with drinking, it’s basic coaching. A culture Ole could tackle is social media, but there is no evidence that he is even trying to do this.

During the summer Shappy was arguing that Ole can’t be blamed for transfer failings because he doesn’t control it. I suspect this is true, but if it is it just hammers home that the only thing he should be judged on is performances on the pitch. If we judge him on this, he is absolutely failing and has shown no evidence that he can ever succeed.


12.) 04 Dec 2019 11:13:21
Ole is clueless. He was only brought in as a kind of "Kevin Keegan "from the board. The board are clueless and have been lying for years.
Ive lived through the 70s relegation and if something doesn't happen fast come Feb when we are getting battered by the top teams we will soon be in a relegation dog fight and our squad isn't good enough 😞😞.


13.) 04 Dec 2019 11:17:48
Patrick

SAF was a motivational genius and whilst it can never be confirmed I do think he would have kept Cardiff up. They were not in the relegation zone when Ole took over. The damning thing is after buying 9 players in summer Ole had them failing again in the Championship. There is no comparison whatsoever with Ole and SAF.


14.) 04 Dec 2019 11:29:28
Comparison. One was an average player and one of the greatest managers ever. The other was a great player for United and one of our worst managers ever.


15.) 04 Dec 2019 11:32:47
There are any number of managers who could have this squad in a better position, playing better football,
Just as well Leicester fans didn't think that this time last year. Amazing what a good coach can do.
Sheffield United amazing progress.
Red bull amazing progress.
In very short periods.


16.) 04 Dec 2019 11:32:41
And Ed001, what would your consensus be on the Ole the manager?

{Ed001's Note - not good enough tactically nor do the players look fit enough to play the style he said he wanted to play. The reason you struggle to hold onto leads is that your players are flagging at the end of matches. There is a lack of organisation as well, which doesn't help the players as they are doing a lot more running around than they need to trying to fill in gaps due to players being poorly positioned.

On the plus side, he does seem very able to motivate the players to play for him. They can't be accused of not putting in an effort.}


17.) 04 Dec 2019 11:52:52
Redman, did you want Fergie out after his first four or five years? Or could you see signs of his "motivational genius? "


18.) 04 Dec 2019 12:33:08
I think the players generally like him but his ability to get a reaction after a poor result is non existant. Maybe his biggest mistake was his coaching staff he put around him. He needs help in a lot of areas and unfortunately Man Utd isn't a place you should be allowed to learn on the job.


19.) 04 Dec 2019 12:36:18
Some of the comments on here are ridiculous. We have lost 4 games. Sames as Chelsea. We have lost nearly all of the points by surrendering leads to teams outside of the top 4.

And. We. Have. No. Midfield!

The squad is thread bare and we knew that coming into the season. McSauce is a massive positive in the season (thankfully) but we knew we would struggle if we got CM injuries. No Pogba, No Matic and No McSauce was always going to be a big problem.

Second half of the season maybe some of the young guns will have grown and developed enough to start games against Shef Utd or Villa. But right now Ole is doing the right thing by playing them in the cup games.

I understand it is frustrating to see us in mid table. But some reality is needed surely!


20.) 04 Dec 2019 12:38:15
Patrick

I was frustrated and embarrassed when we lost 5.1 to City, was it 89? However after the Sexton debacle and promise of Atkinson I knew he had success in Aberdeen so needed time. I knew the challenge he had more than most because I used to frequent a pub and two of the players known for drinking were absolutely out of it on a Thursday night. I never called for Mourinho’s head either because I knew he had what it took and needed time. Ole doesn’t have the background, that simple.


21.) 04 Dec 2019 13:28:45
Redman, nothing is that simple. Two top midfielders in Jan/ summer and then we can judge Ole.
Also, you really should have had a word with Norm and Paul back then!


22.) 04 Dec 2019 13:40:37
Patrick

They were not capable of speech

We cannot let this go on, Ole is out of his depth, by some distance and can put us in real trouble if allowed to continue.


23.) 04 Dec 2019 13:43:39
Red Man, Mourinho could have strangled a 16 year old Greenwood and you would have still backed him.

The club was on fire and all Jose was doing was splashing petrol around the place.

Picking fights, sulking and publicly slagging off the club and the players.

Also you say Jose needed time, when in his career has giving Jose time worked? His CV shows that he rarely makes it past his third season and has never completed a forth at any club.

If CV's and past records are so important to you, then why are you so blind to Jose's "three year" problem?


24.) 04 Dec 2019 19:35:10
Shappy

No not blind to his history. It should have told the club how to manage him but the amateurs didn’t support him in the summer transfer window so what happened was hardly a surprise.

On the same basis, we should believe that Ole will relegate us this season.


25.) 05 Dec 2019 11:59:25
I agree, Jose should never have been hired.


 

 

21 Oct 2019 22:32:28
Been reading the site and it looks like some posters really wanted the team to lose. No doubt am sure some are secretly hoping that we lose the midweek and weekend games so they could return to their normal schedule.

St.Lucia Red Devil

1.) 22 Oct 2019 04:24:00
Surely, you must be one of them that's why you know what "some" secretly desire. Stupidity.


2.) 22 Oct 2019 16:39:10
Name and shame them St Lucia.
I don't know of anybody on here wanting united to lose.


3.) 22 Oct 2019 23:27:57
Sometimes, you read a post like that and it irritates me beyond belief. Why would any United fan want us to lose? And what evidence have you got to back that up. I was a grumpy idiot for a whole day after the match as I wanted us to win so much.
I can't think of one poster on here who wanted us to lose.
And what bothers me even more is that you got 10 likes for the ridiculous post.


4.) 23 Oct 2019 02:22:45
NoMid, you do remember you said you'd hope we lost against Liverpool, when Moyes was in charge? Maybe tone down the outrage a little.


5.) 23 Oct 2019 18:53:43
It was tongue in cheek stevie, do any of us want our team to lose? Seriously?


6.) 23 Oct 2019 20:05:12
I certainly don't understand the concept, no matter how little I rate the manager, mate.


 

 

10 Oct 2019 18:24:18
Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Striker extrodinnaire got me hooked on Manchester United. We could do with his finishing right about now.

St.Lucia Red Devil

1.) 10 Oct 2019 19:28:48
What a player pal. What a player.


2.) 10 Oct 2019 20:33:48
Class act RVN.


3.) 10 Oct 2019 23:27:29
I reckon he can play for us now with no problem.


4.) 11 Oct 2019 20:42:09
Never had so much confidence in a player 1v1 like Ruud. Goal machine.


 

 

 

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19 Jan 2020 17:20:57
Or maybe it does.

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17 Jan 2020 15:01:48
I can see the melt down on here if this transfer isn't made. I know it's frustrating for some posters when transfers take time but we are not preview to what goes on. Yes it's true Ed2 gives us impeccable information when it comes to players the club is interested in but he also informs us that he can't give us the timing or blow by blow updates on when transfers are to be completed. So all we can do is continue to wait.

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14 Jan 2020 10:40:57
Take it easy my good Sir. Stop getting riled up by what you read in the press. Most if not all are just click bait and holds no merit. Young signing a new contract doesn't mean he stays. That could be the club's method of still securing a fee for him. Whether Young leaves now or later, for free or fee doesn't really bother me.

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28 Nov 2019 21:39:27
With all due respect. United should just take the money because the players on offer ain't worth it in my humble opinion. Secondly the only way to entice them to come to United is to offer them silly wages. Because right now we can't offer them the prestigious champions league football which they crave.

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20 Nov 2019 09:13:08
Who is Donnell Malen.

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28 Jan 2020 09:36:13
No disrespect to any posters in here, but why are so many quick to believe what's said in the media about the club, but if the club does it. It's just a PR stunt?

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06 Jan 2020 11:34:06
No disputing that the club is in a mess right now, but I wouldn't pay much attention to the media simply because it's filled with past players from other clubs who now revel in United being lost in the wilderness because United under Fergie prevented them from winning anything meaningful in their careers. As for the papers it's just click bait. A poor United side generates just as much traffic as a great United side. Just have to accept the reality and hope the club changes for the better soon.

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01 Jan 2020 23:52:36
I totally blame Ole for this loss. There was no need to change the side simply because of the momentum built up from the last two victories regardless of what anybody on here thinks about the opposition. You can only beat what's Infront of you. The players though their not the best still give it their all. That being said I am sick and tired of Pogba. I don't believe for one minute that he's injured and the sooner he is sold the better. Ole at this time is dependent on him to provide that creative spark due to lack of options at this moment but he keeps shafting Ole. Ole should just tell it as it is instead of continually defending this prick. No point in having a player who doesn't want to be here. The club totally muck this up this past summer.

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24 Dec 2019 12:54:44
Am definitely not part of the Ole in brigade. I personally want him gone (sooner the better) cuz his ideology is stuck in the past. All he talks about is his days under Sir Alex. What worked for Sir Alex back then doesn't mean it will work now, plus Ole doesn't have the necessary skill set to implement Sir Alex's methods. All this talk of the past is why we're stuck in this rut. We need a forward thinking manager and forward thinking board.

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23 Dec 2019 23:15:51
Not here to bash anyone and I respect everyone's opinions on here. All I want is consistency from posters. So those bashing Ole, we all no that the inevitable will happen, but I will like that you'll bash him when we win also and not only when the side loses a game. be consistent ok😁.

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