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22 Jun 2020 16:10:04
Looking at the signings that Chelsea have made, and Liverpool's lack of squad depth, along with the fact they will lose Salah and Mane for at least a month due to the African Cup of Nations, can anyone else see Chelsea potentially finishing higher than Liverpool next season? Chelsea are possibly only 1 or 2 signings away from being as strong as City in terms of their squad depth, and if they sign Chilwell and perhaps Ake then I don't think there would be very much between them at all. Especially given that City will likely lose Leroy Sane and David Silva this summer, and probably need to sign two centre backs as a priority before they replace either, and in any case, I can't see them replacing either Sane or Silva with anyone better.

Essentially I think both City and Liverpool might be weaker next season, so with 2 or 3 really good signings, and a new contract for Pogba provided he performs over the next two months, and we could really compete at the very top of the table next season. I certainly think we should comfortably finish top 4 next season, as I don't think Spurs or Arsenal are near competing, and I doubt Leicester will maintain their form from this season.

Wishful thinking perhaps, but it is fast approaching that time of the year when football fans start to dream of what might be in the new season, so hopefully my optimism can be excused.

Gilly

1.) 22 Jun 2020 16:52:00
Chelsea still have issue relating to their defence and no one knows how Ziyech and Werner will adapt to the PL. Also I think African nation most likely will be moved to next summer as qualifiers still haven't been completed.


2.) 22 Jun 2020 17:19:04
Gilly, I think that a lot can change between now and next season. There are rumours that the Afcon could be moved, while City, Chelsea and Liverpool will all likely sign at least a couple of new players. While several of their key younger players will be a year older and more experienced. They don't have too many "key" older players who we might see a decline from next season.

I think it's best to just focus on ourselves.


3.) 22 Jun 2020 17:23:49
Good post Gilly. Agree Chelsea look to be on the up whereas Liverpool look to be stagnating at the top with seemingly no money for new faces and City needing some key positions replaced. I think a world class RW transforms us. I still remain to be convinced by Martial tbh but with the creativity of Bruno and Pogba behind and the wing/ forward play of Rashford and either Sancho or Chiesa as new RW and he’d definitely have no excuses. Especially with Greenwood waiting in the wings and Ighalo providing some experienced back up and greater physical threat when needed.

We look miles behind Liverpool and City now but agree the Top 4 next season should include those 2, ourselves and Chelsea. The order we finish, depending if we buy a class RW, is anyone’s guess.

Interesting to see how City react to next season given their obvious need to invest but FFP problems in the past.


4.) 22 Jun 2020 17:34:29
The way I see it is we can buy what players we want but if the back 4 isn't solid we will win nothing.
And Harry mcguire doesn't fill me with confidence and it's not because of the spurs game. i remember lacazette turning him a few times when we played arsenal and I said to myself this boy is going to get us in trouble. I've seen him getting caught with the offside line a few times. Getting turned inside out.
The other cbs we have aren't anything better.
So for me next season will be pretty much the same a fight for top 4.


5.) 22 Jun 2020 18:04:40
Maguire didn't have a great game against Spurs, but it was the first game back.

For me all players have weaknesses to their game, however defenders weaknesses are often exploited so are more obvious.

For example if a winger doesn't track back, or has poor off the ball movement it's much harder to spot, especially when watching on TV. Yet if a defender is slow on the turn you will see it probably most times your team concede a goal.

Vidic wasn't the quickest and could be had on toast by quick players, Torres for example used to cause him nightmares.

Rio often lost concentration, while until he was 28/ 29 his positioning was suspect, often relying on his pace to cover himself.

Maguire can be a very good defender for us, but he needs the right partner. A great defence is always greater than the sum of its parts and by working as a unit they over come the players individual weaknesses.

You can have a slow defender play in a high pressing side. Hummels was a key defender along side Subotic for Klopps Dortmund side, neither were quick defenders. If you're well organised, and everyone knows their role then there shouldn't be any problems.


6.) 22 Jun 2020 18:09:43
That’s very true that they might struggle to adapt, but they are both fantastically talented players and I think they will both perform well at Chelsea. I think Chelsea will also address their defensive issues this summer, with Ake, and either Chilwell or Tagliafico the likely options. Even with the Africa CoN moved, Liverpool have a thin squad, in pretty much every position. An injury to Van Dijk, Salah, Mane, or Firmino would seriously hamper them, and I think even with 2 or 3 signings, they would still have a thinner squad than United, City, and Chelsea. City will obviously make signings but I can’t see them improving greatly without spending greatly, and they might not be able to do that, especially with their potential champions league ban, as presumably that will affect their spending power for one or two seasons if it stands. If United can make the right signings this summer, perhaps Sancho and either Partey or Ndidi, and keep Pogba provides he wants to stay, I think we will be very strong next season.


7.) 22 Jun 2020 18:22:43
I think you can be a very good CB with or without the right partner. Maguire has been poor enough at times and continues to get caught out time and time again.

Maguire will look better with a world class CB beside him as any of our centre halves.

I hope he improves because he has not filled me with great confidence since his move.


8.) 22 Jun 2020 18:35:02
Interesting reading the above, we have the 4th best defensive record in the EPL this season.


9.) 22 Jun 2020 18:52:52
4th jred that's top class.


10.) 22 Jun 2020 18:56:07
I think maguire has done ok. Sure he had been exposed a few times but that is an occupational hazard. He is no rio or stam but its his 1st season and he has been ok and he does appear to galvanise others.
Im not sure who his best partner is. Lindelof is more vulnerable than maguire in many ways. Bailly i dunno he looks great then awful then great then gets injured. Tuanzebe is a long way off jones and rojo are simply not an option and smalling looks to be off.
Bailly i still hold out hope for but he is not one to depend on. Maybe axel will stand up but its been 12 months since he played really and never at epl level so i don't see it being him next season.


11.) 22 Jun 2020 19:01:47
Leahy the negativity is impressive .
4th not bad 2 of the tesms ahead of us have conceded 2 and 3 goals less over 30 games not z big difference strsnge when you read all the post on here about maguire lindelif shaw and DDG.


12.) 22 Jun 2020 19:33:46
I wouldn't call it negativity jred.
We have the 4th best defence and the 5th or 6th best attack.
So we sit 5th so just on where we deserve to be.
I don't think that's very good. Its not good enough to compete to win a league.
We have not competed to win a league for 7 years. that's not very good.
We struggle to qualify for CL through league position consistently for 7 years. that's not very good.
Its not being negative. You may be happy not competing. You may be happy being 4th 5th or 6th best and not even competing . Its not being negative to say being 4th 5th 6th is poor if you set higher standards.
I don't think being 4th or 5th best in the league is anything to be happy about. Particularly when we have not watched goods football in any of the last 7 years.
Yes we are building a new team but we still should be remaining competitive. We have no divine right that's for sure but the players and coaches have not earned the right either.
Top be fair the issue for me is scoring goals not letting them in.


13.) 22 Jun 2020 19:35:45
Probably the reason why are where we are. Not enough quality throughout our team. Maguire is good but be is not in that top bracket which is what we need if we ever want to be winning titles again. But I mean you can be happy with 5th and 4th best defensive record.


14.) 22 Jun 2020 19:40:31
Everyone has their own standards ken and that's okay.


15.) 22 Jun 2020 19:42:39
Yes as I said. Imo our big problem going forward is defence. Cbs for me.
I'm on about winning leagues. And I'm not negative. I think Bruno is top class.
Now look at it from another side. Look what happened to Liverpool when the got vvd. Top class defender then their keeper. Then the 2 wing backs top class players. The game they played against Everton. People say they missed salah. For me Robertson was the one they missed. Coleman got motm cause he kept mane quite. Would have been different if Robertson had played. So yes for me a title winning side needs a top back 4 or 5 whatever. We don't have that.
I say what I see.


16.) 22 Jun 2020 20:07:33
I agree angel and leahy.
Jred you watch the football the fans being there are not makes no difference to you. Your happy enough plodding along at 4th 5th 6th as long as you can watch football on your telly that suits you. Good on you everybody gets what they want from being a football supporter.
I prefer the competitive edge, being in the hunt for honours, i never mind losing because nobody wins all the time. Some enjoy the atmosphere coming through some enjoy the build up to big games some enjoy analysing formations.
Being critical of being 4th 5th or 6th is not being negative people comment on what they see.


17.) 22 Jun 2020 20:32:03
Actual i think the issue has been attack .
Out of the top 6 only Leicester with 2 less and Liverpool have conceded less than us .
Yet all of them have scored more with the exception of Wolves who are obvious below us . both City and the scouse have scored 20 odd goals more .
So i'm not sure
1. Its why we are where we are
2. Its a big problem going forward.
The last 5 teams to win the league have conceded on average 31 goals I don't think we will be far away from that .

That said pogba rash and martial have all missed big parts of the season and bruno only come in in Jan.
Them 4 will imo make a big difference, scoring goals, creating and keeping possession all of which will help the defence.

So looking at the bigger having the 4th best defensive record isn't as bad as some would like to make out imo.

You defend as a team, and as the physical aspect has been more and more removed from the game defending through possession and restricting the opposing teams ball time has be come more important.
Simply by controlling the ball in CM which I believe we will with pogba and bruno plus a fully fit martial rash will allow us to defend better as a team .

You need to look at the bigger picture, and in my opinion having the 4th best defensive record when you look at the bigger picture isn't as bad or as simple as many would like to make out.

At no point have I ever said I am happy plodding along in 4 5 or 6.


18.) 22 Jun 2020 20:46:14
I would half agree with you jred if we had at the other end of the pitch a proper number 9.martial another who won't win you a league. Bags of talent but frustrates me cause no consistency. Rash for me again better coming in from the left.
Me I would have bought werner and sold martial. Haaland another who we should have went all out for. Don't know what went on there. I don't think he wanted to come to us in the end. But what will he cost next season.


19.) 22 Jun 2020 20:54:37
Leahy
Imo martial needs to stay fit and get a run of games but while discussing the supposed issue with our back 4 I think he is only a small part of it .
If he can stay fit I personally don't think he will be an issue .


20.) 22 Jun 2020 21:05:22
I'd sell him in the morning. I'd have more faith in greenwood. But right now I'd start greenwood on the right ahead of James all day long.


21.) 22 Jun 2020 21:07:28
I'm going to go and watch the second half of the city match but I have just looked at the dreaded stats .
City have a similar degensive record to us this season .
3.0 up at half time against Burnley who haven't had a shot .
I don't think the city back 4 tonight is anything special player wise.
But as a team they have scored 3 and had 65 % of the ball . Restricting Burnley to 0 shots.


22.) 22 Jun 2020 21:16:52
Leahy
Each to there own, and that's maybe a slightly different convo to the back 4 holding us back .
Or what having the 4th best defensive record really means .
Now hopefully city's back 4 have a mare and they conced 4.


23.) 22 Jun 2020 21:41:29
I'm with you there jred. c'mon burnley.


24.) 22 Jun 2020 22:38:54
Attack is the problem for sure.
We have spent 130m on our defence and uts letting inn more goals than previously.
But as jred says our defence is solid enough but when your not scoring and concede soft goals at times it hurts more. City have conceded just as many and probably even more soft goals by bad defending but that's ok when your scoring as many as they do.

Martial would be suited to a different style of play perhaps but i don't see him as an epl no9.
Ighalo would get more chances i think. He is not as good a player technically but would be more effective in this team imo.
Bruno is a big plus he was set to come in the summer but it got delayed. He is having a good impact as will pogba to seasons end.
I think we will win the EL we have the strongest squad in that comp if its played over 10 days.


25.) 22 Jun 2020 23:04:32
130 mil I'm not sure why people get so obsessed with the price of a player? So many variables why a player cost what he does .
54 gosls conceded last season 31 so far this season .

But its a team game not as simple as plodding around in 4th what ever that means. Because 3 teams have conceded less only tells part of the story .


26.) 22 Jun 2020 23:38:57
80 mil. You expect a lot for that.
Now if we went back at Leicester for the Turkish cb. Can't spell his name.
Would we get a good deal off them. Because he is going to be one of the best around imo.


27.) 23 Jun 2020 00:11:28
When the whistle goes it doesn't matter how much they cost.
Lot of different factors in whst a player cost.
And the price of any thing is relevant to the amount you have.


28.) 23 Jun 2020 00:43:45
Bobby Moore wasn't the quickest in terms of physicality and nor was Teddy Sheringham but they were half a yard ahead of other players mentally. So much of the game is about positional awareness which is why Klopp and especially Pep drill their teams so that they are always aware of where team mates and opposing players are on the pitch and can react accordingly both with and without the ball.

That said both the above managers as did Sir Alex recognise how difficult it is to defend against fast attacking players. A fast attacker should always have the advantage over a defender purely because of the attacker is fouled anywhere near the penalty area the consequent free kick can be very damaging to the defenders team.


29.) 23 Jun 2020 08:13:20
Personally I would try AWB at CB alongside Maguire and put Dalot at RB if there is an opportunity to try it before the end of the season.


30.) 23 Jun 2020 09:17:50
Agree with Ken on the debate on 4th, 5th,6th best attack an defence, that's not what any United fan should be happy with tbh, we should be aiming to be the best amd winning the top honours. We are a work in progress tho but frustratingly have been since Fergie however something feels a bit different atm but we need a few more signings of the quality of Bruno.
We need a top class centre back alongside Maguire to make up for Maguires shortcomings, we need a real roght sided forward, Dan James works hard but we need bettwr quality in the starting XI, James would be a real threat coming off the bench when the game is stretched and then I guess it depends on Pogba staying or going.


31.) 23 Jun 2020 09:47:06
We are on a 13 game unbeating run .
During that time we have conceded 3 goals.


32.) 23 Jun 2020 10:53:57
I don't think anyone is happy with the club being where it is at the moment, and suggesting people are is just a deflection tactic.

Could our defence be better? Yes of course, but I don't think our defence is a million miles away from where we need it to be. In AWB, Dalot, Laird, Shaw and Williams we have hugely talented full backs. I feel the issue is finding the right balance with our centre backs, Maguire isn't the CB I would have chosen to bring in last summer, but he is the one we got and on balance is probably our CB. We need to find the right partner for him, whether that's someone at the club or someone we need to bring in.

I've often wondered with Maguire whether it would be good to switch him from LCB to RCB, normally I wouldn't switch a player from the side they are most comfortable, I just feel that having AWB along side Maguire to cover him would be better than having Shaw or Williams.

I think jred is right in that the real issue is our attack and not our defence. We have drawn too many games because we couldn't break teams down. Only twice this season have we conceded 3 goals or more, once was the 3-1 loss to City in the league cup, the other was the 3-3 draw with Sheffield United in the league. The issue is we don't score enough. If we can add 20-30 more goals to our team then we would be challenging up in second place this season. Spurs in 8th place have scored more goals than we have this season.

If we can bring in someone who is a genuine threat on the RW such as Sancho or Chiesa along with a whole season of Bruno and Pogba then I think we can easily score a further 20-30 goals next season which will put us right in the mix.

The fact is we have conceded 10 goal more than the best defence in the league, but we have scored 31 goals fewer than the best attack. Simply put 25 goals more would probably have a greater effect on our position than conceding 10 goals less.


33.) 24 Jun 2020 10:02:48
We don't have a partner for Maguire of the quality that is needed and Shaw seems to get in the team ahead of Williams why I don't know so we do have issues in defence, we have conceded only 10 less than the least but we look shaky when under attack, that's because we have 2 positions needs strengthening, left back is already at the club thankfully it just needs Shaw out, Brandon in permanently and a top class centre back bought.
Right wing is our other issue as stated above, James for all hos endeavour is not first team material but could wreak havoc off the bench, Chiesa pr Sancho I've not seen play but its nice to see we are looking at that position.
As I said if we add 2 or 3 more of the quality of Bruno we will be cooking.


 

 

04 Jun 2020 20:32:05
Slight change of topic perhaps from all things United, but what are the big transfers you guys see happening this summer, and which big clubs will be strongest or make most progress next season.

Personally I can see Bayern being incredibly strong next year, but they're arguably favourites for the Champions League this year. Barcelona I think have a lot of rebuilding to do, what with Messi, Busquets, Pique, and even Alba getting on somewhat, combined with their poor spending in recent years.

City I suspect will spend big on a centre back whatever happens with their ban, maybe another centre mid, and a winger perhaps if Sane goes to Bayern as he quite possibly will.

Gilly

1.) 05 Jun 2020 11:33:52
I'm not sure we will see many "big" transfers this summer. Chelsea if they sign Werner along with Ziyech who was signed in January are a decent left back away from being a much stronger side.

Bayern if they sign Sane will be a strong side, although Muller and Lewandowski has been key players for them this year and both are getting older. They need a striker to replace Lewandowski.

Barcelona are in a financial mess, their side is ageing, and due to high wages they will struggle to bring in many high earners.

Real Madrid will be interesting to see what they do, they have some excellent young players, so the don't need to spend too much.

How much PSG spend will depend on whether Neymar or Mbappe leave which looks unlikely.

City have a strong side, they could do with a defensive partner for Laporte, but many of City's signings will depend on the outcome of the court case I would imagine.

Liverpool don't have a desperate need, just one or two squad players refreshed to keep players on their toes next season.

Spurs and Arsenal will be shopping in the bargain bucket.

Dortmund have a very strong young team, much depends on whether Sancho leaves this summer or not.

{Ed002's Note - Bayern Munich are not looking to replace Lewandowski this year and Muller has just agreed a new contract.}


2.) 05 Jun 2020 15:07:58
Ed002, I'm aware they want to keep him next year. But I do think they need some quality competition/ rotation option in the striker position. If Lewandowski picks up a serious injury next season the options to stand in for him aren't great. Either push Muller forward or play young Zirkzee.
However, I think Bayern are in the same position as Spurs where they have a clear and obvious first choice striker and they are looking for someone to come in and sit on the bench most weeks. That makes it hard to find players of the right quality happy to do that.

{Ed002's Note - Bayern Munich already have two very good youngsters in Fiete Arp and Joshua Zirkzee who has been promoted to the first team squad.}


3.) 05 Jun 2020 18:09:11
I have a feeling Coutinho might go to Chelsea, but if they sign Werner then I suppose that would be unlikely. Either way, they probably only need a left back and another centre back to really challenge. I suspect Barcelona will try negotiate a deal for Neymar involving Dembele, though it would probably see them still paying for him long after he retires. Pjanic is also wanted at Barcelona which makes me wonder whether Juventus might allow him to leave for the right price, and try to sign Jorginho to replace him.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea have had no discussions about Coutinho.}


4.) 06 Jun 2020 11:32:24
I always feel Bayern almost shop at tier below most over teams.


5.) 06 Jun 2020 13:33:55
Utd Road, Bayern have a very clear structure and strategy when it comes to recruitment. They rarely get involved in bidding wars for top established players.

They look for players with world class potential and bring them into an already established side. Often choosing to shop in the Bundesliga as that means that players adapt easier while they also weaken their opponents.

Many people point to Barcelona or Real Madrid as a model we should adopt, but for me what Bayern do is far better. Bringing players through their academy, purchasing the best players from their league and looking to bring in players who they can lift into the world class category rather than bringing in players already considered world class.


 

 

12 May 2020 01:15:15
Been reading this site ever since it was just the one football rumours page, though I've not posted for years. I read recently (I believe on BBC Sport) that United have by far the largest cash reserves of any Premier League club. Given that many clubs both in England and in Europe will be much worse off financially this summer that they would have been, and transfers fees are therefore expected to be much lower this summer than they would have been, could United use this as an opportunity to invest more heavily in the squad than original planned? After all, an investor with large cash reserves would possibly see this as a very opportune moment to invest, would a football club not see the same opportunity, only buying players rather than shares.

For example, if Dortmund wanted a transfer fee of €100m this summer, and United refused, but tried again next summer, and Dortmund wanted €150m, the club would look pretty stupid if they agreed a deal at that amount.

I appreciate there is a lot more to any transfer than just the transfer fee of course, but surely there would some logic to a club like United to increasing their budget this summer and simply decreasing it next summer to balance the books. We could make one or two extra signings now, which would allow us to catch up to our rivals more quickly than if we only signed two players this summer and waited until next summer to invest further, at which point those new signings could have already had a year at the club to settle in.

This is perhaps wishful thinking, or maybe the club aren't quite so stable financially as we think, but any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Gilly

{Ed002's Note - You need to look at the cash reserves offset by the increased debt.}


1.) 12 May 2020 08:46:14
Gilly, this is a regime that let a release clause in Fellaini's contract at Everton pass. Only to eventually pay an extra (estimated) 8 million more on deadline day than they could have gotten him for a couple of weeks earlier.

Jose wanted Maguire a year before we purchased him. Probably could have gotten him for half what we eventually paid.

Sporting said X is the amount we want for Bruno. We offered peanuts. Had our head turned by Dybala and eventually "ran out of time" only for Bruno to sign a new deal. We come back in January with our tail between our legs and pay exactly what Sporting want for the player.

We rejected a deal for Darmain to leave last year, only for him to play 2 games and eventually be sold for under 2 million pounds.

We blocked a move for Rojo to move to Everton I think, because we moved the goal posts at the last minute and wanted more money. Rojo will eventually leave for relatively nothing too when we could have gotten decent money for him.

We did the same thing with Smalling. We upped the price at the last minute maybe pricing him out of a move, even though he is surplus to requirements.

Instead of letting Jones leave at the end of his contract, we gave him a new one to "protect his value". He's reportedly on roughly 120 thousand pounds a week. So instead of cutting our loses, we are now paying a player over £5 million a year to effectively do nothing. Any money we receive for him will easily be offset by our loss in wages.

Now the details in these could be wrong but even if some of them are true, if that is how we deal with incoming and outgoing transfers, then we really are amateurs.

We will not use this as an opportunity to gain on our competitors. We will use this as an opportunity to tie some average players to longer contracts and not spend what needs to be spent to challenge at the top again.


2.) 12 May 2020 04:53:30
Thanks Ed, my mistake, I thought the debts had decreased in the last few years. Does that mean the clubs debts have increased in the same period that the club’s cash reserves have increased, and if so, why doesn’t the club use the cash reserves to reduce the debt? Tax reasons?

{Ed002's Note - The club wants to have money available.}


3.) 12 May 2020 09:20:56
Would sancho be in the last year of his contract next summer.

{Ed002's Note - It would depend where he is playing and if he renews.}


4.) 12 May 2020 10:57:18
so if sancho doesn't move this summer and in the current climate I'm not sure he will and he doesn't sign a new contract with BD next summer he will only have 12 month on his contract.
Mumbles
On the transfer page you say sancho is to expensive and we shouldn't go near him . above you say we won't spend what needs to be spent to challenge at the top?


5.) 12 May 2020 12:52:15
I'd do our best to get Sancho whatever the terms may be. But it might play into our favour if he doesn't extend his contract.

Very good player.


6.) 12 May 2020 14:50:16
great summary mumbles although you left out giving de gea £350k a week when he is on the decline and we have two top class alternatives, not to mention Sanchez (£450k per week? please correct me if I'm wrong? )


7.) 12 May 2020 19:41:00
Jerd, if you are referring to what Mumbles said on the discussions page, he did not say any of that at all.

He said the money for Sancho is 'obscene', which it is, like most money in football and if we could do a good deal for chiesa, we should pull the trigger.

Unless I'm missing another post from Mumbles, how did you get 'you say sancho is to expensive and we shouldn't go near him' from the word 'obscene' and if we can get a good deal on Chiesa we should pull the trigger?

Looks as though you are just picking something and turning it into something else for the sake of an argument. Strange.


8.) 12 May 2020 19:44:11
By the way, my choice would be Sancho but what I got from Mumbles was sensible, if he is too expensive for the club, why not look at an alternative?


9.) 12 May 2020 20:54:54
Jred. Search for the thread that ed002 explained some of the finances potentially involved with Sancho. The fee Dortmund would require is over €100 million. His agent wants a huge fee too, I think it was €50 million. The wages the lad would want would be really high too. That would set a precedent to our other younger players and could potentially ruin our already out of control wage structure.

There's a difference between the club spending an incredible sum of money on Sancho, when there's a quality footballer like Chiesa available for a lot less. That's good business.

The club spends money. Sometimes naively. But the original post was about United taking advantage in the transfer market with our cash reserves. In my opinion we will not do nearly enough to bridge the gap to City and Liverpool.

As Angelred pointed out. I'd like to see our money spent on a CB, CM, RW and ST. I don't think the marquee signing of Sancho is enough and could have a dangerous knock on effect.


10.) 12 May 2020 23:15:50
Mumbles
But its not up to you, so if the club want and can afford sancho what's your issue?
You said in your op " the club won't  spend what needs to be spent to challenge at the top again. "
And then complain about the price of sancho?
Why is chiesa good business? Because you think he is a good player?


11.) 12 May 2020 23:30:24
angle
1 yes you have missed a post
2 obviously if sancho or anyone else cost more than what the club want to pay they won't buy him . Why are people struggling with that? Honest question because that just seems obvious to me
3 if thd club want sancho, and can do a deal what's people problems, people complain we won't spend and then complain if we do.


12.) 13 May 2020 01:29:45
I agree with jred that if the club can't afford to buy him they won't.
My only issue with that is if buying sancho at a very high cost could mean that other issues and positions have to be put on long finger.


13.) 13 May 2020 03:49:11
Jred, you have a point when you put what I said in a few separate threads without any context.

I will 100% stand behind my point that we are a reactive club in the transfer market, we are not proactive. The club has shown itself to have no ambition to be champions when they failed to back a manager that finished 2nd.

My point about the club's failure and desire to bridge the gap at the top and me being against the signing of Sancho are not mutually exclusive.

Up until last year we had the highest wage bill in football. Our squad that was struggling to finish 6th was the highest paid squad in football. We consistently get tunnel vision in regards to players and end up paying over the odds.

We have started to trim the squad and try to get rid of some high earners. They have done well recruiting (although Maguire fee was in My opinion way too much) with Maguire, Bruno, James and AWB.

We need to change our perception of a team that can have their pants pulled down in terms of transfer fees.

Liverpool's recruitment, mixed with a top manager and the worst deal in football history with coutinho, helped them fund a squad that is winning major honours.

The club can afford Mbappe but we shouldn't sign him. Nor should we spend under €200 million on a package for Sancho when that money could be spent getting 2 or 3 players.

Making a 20 year old one of your highest earners as well is not something I think the team needs. We have a talented young squad who would eventually want to be on par with him.

I get your point, if the club has the money and are willing to spend it, it's better than it being in a bank account. But as Ken said, not if it takes away from the other areas of the team that needs players too.


14.) 13 May 2020 09:01:56
Mumbles
But its not up to you, maybe the club feel that me only need 2 or 3 players.
We don't need a gk
I think back 4 is sorted . I would personally like another cb but to be honest its probably not a priority.
Midfield, it looks like grealish is on the cards . Again sorted
It looks like the club would want an attacking player . If that's sancho great imo .
If the club can't afford a player they won't buy him .
If a club want 5 players they won't spend all there money on 1 .
Also if we can sign mbappe ( which we won't) the club should buy him he is the outstanding talent of his generation imo.


15.) 14 May 2020 18:16:55
I would want united to sign mbappe no doubt about it.
I think like jred says he is one of the few that look like they will possibly be one of the players of his generation.


 

 

03 Jul 2016 23:58:23
Obviously all the talk on here is about Pogba, and I rate the guy very highly, certainly among the top 5 central midfielders in the world. But the money is ridiculous. Surely if we have the money to spend £100 million on Pogba, then we have the money to spend £40 million on Varane, £40 million on Carvalho, and maybe try and get Modric or Kroos from Madrid. Modric is perhaps the wrong age, but Madrid will surely sell one of the those two to get Pogba, and I honestly think that Modric or Kroos would have just as much impact as Pogba. And there is no question that Varane, Carvalho, and Modric/ Kroos would have a much larger impact on the team and our season than Pogba alone. Of course, that is not to say I don't want United to sign Pogba, and if we happen to add Pogba, Varane, and Carvalho to Miki and Ibra then I would be beyond ecstatic and probably put half my student loan on us winning the league.

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10 Jul 2015 00:21:37
I would love Van Persie to stay; I think he's still a top class striker. He never relied on pace, and his technique is superb. Plus, we will be playing a system with one striker this season by the way things look. Therefore we need a a proven goalscorer striker as second choice to Rooney who is clinical and is happy to be second choice. Van Persie possibly fits that bill better than anyone else, especially given that he is not able to play 50+ games a season, and therefore not able to be first choice all the time anyway. If we do sell Van Persie, then we will have to spend serious money to sign a striker of similar quality, probably £40 million plus to get one of Benzema, Lewandowski, Muller, or Lacazette. Whatever happens I wish RVP all the best, and thank him for #20.

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1.) 10 Jul 2015 07:32:43
I'm not happy rvp has left


2.) 10 Jul 2015 08:22:47
I would also love for him to stay but I don't imagine he will accept the bench role. moving to a less strenuous league and playing more football would be best for him I think.


3.) 10 Jul 2015 09:03:05
RVP deserves a massive thank for helping to deliver our last title, let's be honest we couldn't have done it without him. However last season he didn't contribute a lot and didn't give the impression of being happy about losing his position as premier striker. Have read somewhere that he says he felt betrayed.
This time last year the 2 players almost every fan wanted out were fellaini and young. Come the end of the season through shear effort and determination to prove the doubters wrong these same two players had made themselves 1st picks every week. I wish RVP well but am disappointed he is choosing to leave rather than stay and fight for his place especially as he probably has maybe 2 more seasons left in him at premier league level.
At the risk of contradicting myself i did post a few weeks ago that i wouldn't be unhappy at falcao and rvp leaving as it seemed ridiculous to have 2 people sat on the bench earning best part of £500k per week between them. One must assume that the club is confident of landing a big fish to replace them although whom is a separate debate that i won't get into here


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2020 17:05:50
Agree with that Shappy, there’s almost no point signing him if there’s no route to the first team for him. However, I would’ve thought that the club would try to sign him anyway if they are that convinced he’s the real deal, and simply loan him back to Birmingham for next season so he will continue to play week in week out. Then ideally Birmingham get promoted and we can loan him back for one or two more seasons in the Premier League just like Henderson at Sheffield United, or another Premier League club if Birmingham don’t get promoted, which isn’t all that likely. Either way, he comes back to United at 20 years old with 4 full seasons of first team football under his belt. But that surely makes far too much sense for it to ever happen.

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22 Jun 2020 16:20:12
Mad Hatter, he has mainly played on the left wing this season and last season, partly due to the emergence of Havertz, but he has often on the right wing previously, and more importantly he’s a left footed winger, and I think we’d be stupid not to consider him if he’s available for €40 million as some reports have suggested.

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19 Jun 2020 15:45:48
Shappy, Costa and Bernardeschi aren’t good enough and they would be a huge backwards step as far as I’m concerned, especially if it meant Pogba leaving as well. There’s numerous players available who would be far better, and would fit our recent transfer policy. I appreciate the cost involved for Sancho might prove too great, Havertz probably wouldn’t pick United over Bayern, and Bailey possibly wouldn’t pick us over City who are supposedly interested given Sane will be leaving, but if we end up with some Juventus reject on our right wing and a Pogba shaped hole in our midfield next year then it really will confirm what Ed002 has said all along, we are being run by amateurs.

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06 Jul 2015 02:10:06
RedAndy94, Strootman is a seriously good player. Plus he understands Van Gaals system very well. You have to remember he was the captain and midfield lynchpin at number 6 for the Dutch national team when Van Gaal was manager. However I suspect we will sign Schneiderlin and he will play number 6 instead.

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30 Jun 2015 19:08:45
I reckon £25 million, or £20 million and either Evans or Rafael, or £15 million and both would be very fair. Whether we allow Januzaj to go on loan to Everton should be a completely separate decision. The boy is too talented to use as a carrot to dangle under the noses of others and we should think very hard the best way to allow him to develop.

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05 Jul 2020 05:21:07
Maguire is the weak link of our back 5, he makes the most errors and yet he gets the least criticism. I will support him to the hilt all the while he plays for United, not least because he seems a good leader on and off the pitch, but he makes far too many mistakes and he’s simply not good enough for United.

De Gea has made 3 howlers this season, and he made a couple last season, but he’s generally been pretty good both this season and last. That said, because he’s consistently been so utterly brilliant for 5 consecutive seasons prior to the World Cup in 2018, and he’s not reached those levels for more than a few games since then, his decline appears quite dramatic. However I don’t really blame him for the first goal today. It was a very tight angle, but it was very close range, and as far as I’m concerned, he what all keepers would do in that situation. He closed the angle/ distance and made himself big, and was beaten by a very good finish. However, I think Dave will be replaced by Henderson next summer, and that will probably be the right move.

Shaw is generally pretty solid in all departments. He’s not nearly as good as Robertson but he’s very good defensively, and he provides width and energy, and I think he’s been pretty reliable this season. He deserves his place at United.

Lindelof is our best centre back without doubt. He’s composed, he reads the game very well and he allows play to build from the back. He needs a faster, stronger player next to him, but for now I think Bailly should start with Lindelof. Bailly is exceptional at times, he’s just unreliable due to his injury problems.

Wan Bissaka is the best defensive right back, certainly in the league, potentially in the world, and his offensive attributes have improved immensely this season. He would be a player that I wouldn’t sell at any price.

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04 Jul 2020 02:45:47
Ken, I’ve watched the lad play twice and I’ve seen plenty of highlights on the football league equivalent of match of the day, and that isn’t a great amount of football by any stretch, but he’s clearly very talented, and at only 16 he’s certainly got potential to be an serious player. Would be disappointed if we didn’t make a serious offer to bring him to Old Trafford, not least because he might cost the earth in a few years.

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03 Jul 2020 00:24:24
Shappy I get your point about Emi Beundia, and I agree he’s a good footballer, but he’s nothing special and he’s not good enough for United. Granted he has created a lot of chances, but he’s scored fewer goals this season than Lingard. If we had to take a punt on a player like Beundia I’d rather we signed Cantwell or Brooks. Certainly Cantwell was by far better than Beundia the other night in the FA Cup, and he has been most games I’ve watched Norwich this season, though I’ve not done so particularly often.

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02 Jul 2020 01:21:07
Well Sydney was a regular on here years back, possibly when it was just the one page, football rumours, but I find it hard to believe he happened to be Dennis Irwin. That said, 2020 has been a funny year.

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30 Jun 2020 14:46:00
That’s more or less what I meant Shappy, I simply worded it quite poorly. He’s a fantastic player, and exactly the style of player I would love at United, he’s just not young enough any more to be worth the money or the risk. Shame, if we had signed him in 2018 when we were supposedly interested, I think I would’ve been more excited about that transfer than any other player we’ve signed or we’ve been interested in perhaps ever. Certainly, watching Pogba and Griezmann week in week out at Old Trafford would be seriously special.

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