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25 Aug 2020 10:58:38
Ed are united really showing an interest in fati and is there any chance of him leaving barcelona.

jred

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}


 

 

01 Jul 2020 20:05:30
Smalling and sanzhez loaned for another 12 month.

jred

1.) 01 Jul 2020 20:13:35
I guess it is till end of this season only. august 1st week max.


2.) 01 Jul 2020 20:14:38
That's not correct mate. Their deals have been extended to coincide with the remainder of the serie A season. Nothings been agreed for next season as of yet.


3.) 01 Jul 2020 22:10:25
ah must of mis read it.


4.) 02 Jul 2020 09:59:37
Loans to cover European ties in August still to be agreed.


5.) 02 Jul 2020 10:31:12
jred i seen on sky it said smalling loan for another season and Sanchez till end of current.

maybe a typo on sky.


 

 

27 Jun 2020 15:42:19
Sancho on the bench again.

jred

{Ed0666's Note - probably had another unsanctioned haircut


1.) 27 Jun 2020 15:52:39
It’s obvious his head has been turned however with C.V. 19 etc I just can’t see us paying what Dortmund want. There might not be anyone pay it either so he could very well stay. Think it’s best for the lad to get on with it and not burn any bridges, after all Dortmund have been good for him.


 

 

04 Jun 2020 18:15:13
Can we tick werner of the list looks like he is off to Chelsea.

jred

{Ed002's Note - Other sides have an interest in Werner as I have explained. Liverpool have not contacted RBL or made an offer but have disrupted there player through a series of illegal approaches. RBL have spoken with other sides including Inter Milan and Chelsea but have maintained the stance that the player has had his head turned. If an acceptable offer has been made by Chelsea then they will have permission to talk with the player. It is then down to the player to decide if he wants to make the move - and remember he has previously expressed a desire to join Bayern Munich, Manchester United and Liverpool. If Liverpool do wish to buy the player, and they should do the principled thing, then they need to make an acceptable offer for the player - but as I have explained money may well be an issue to Liverpool. So the ball is in the court of the player and Liverpool. But there remains some way to go.}


1.) 04 Jun 2020 18:39:00
Werner is obviously a good player and doesn’t look like we’ve been in for him despite his previous quotes wishing to play for United and Liverpool (a slightly worrying sign in itself) . Ed’s comment suggests Livepool may need to sell before buying. Good news for the rest of the Prem.

Interesting to see what happens next. Werner to Chelsea may perhaps free up Sancho to United?


2.) 05 Jun 2020 04:18:38
A little disappointed that we didn’t make a move for him as I can see him being very successful in the Premier League, but I suppose right wing and center midfield are more important right now.


3.) 05 Jun 2020 14:43:13
Liverpool at it again with the illegal approaches. They should have points deducted from this season's total. Preferably 25.


4.) 06 Jun 2020 03:05:32
Not to fussed. He tends to occupy the same spaces as rashford from what I've read. Additionally ighalo provides the necessary cover in the short term.


5.) 07 Jun 2020 22:51:12
We don’t need him. We have Martial, Rashford, Ighalo and let’s not forget Sanchez on the books still when he comes back.


 

 

09 Jul 2019 19:19:03
Ed are Barcelona interested in signing v lindelof.

jred

{Ed002's Note - No, I am not aware of any approach by Barcelona to Manchester United for him but as early as tomorrow night they may be re-evaluating their centre back options. I would think that Victor Lindelof’s future at Manchester United will be something his agent will be thinking about seriously not wanting to get stuck in the abyss with what is in reality a Championship level manager and a club who are planning on a record breaking expenditure on a series of knee jerrk reactions. I am sure they would love to get him in the Barcelona squad.}


1.) 09 Jul 2019 20:17:09
@Ed002

You're about to send the site into meltdown with comments like that mate although its the hard hitting truth that Solskjaer is out of his depth and should never have been given the job. He appears clueless and looks like a kid with a smile on his face who can't believe that he's got the job while everything seems to be falling around him.

I'd be interested to know what knee jerk reactions you are mentioning Ed002? Milinkovic Savic and Maguire?

{Ed002's Note - It is not a smile - simply wind.}


2.) 09 Jul 2019 20:25:25
It was on Sky before, where the player was questioning his future at United.

What can you do?

If you keep the Muppets on high wages, with no chance of competing for a decade and spend stupid money on has beens, obviously a decent player and agent is going to agitate for a move away to a club who can compete.


3.) 09 Jul 2019 20:27:57
Ed002 - can you shed any info on the knee jerk reactions?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I have done it over and over.}


4.) 09 Jul 2019 21:05:43
I would guess it’s Harry Maquire.


5.) 09 Jul 2019 21:20:24
he is in the same boat as frank lampard.

{Ed001's Note - not really, Lampard is being surrounded by football advisors and helpers with experience.}


6.) 09 Jul 2019 20:57:34
Absolutely agree. We are embarrassed and rudderless.

Question to the Oracle. Who will replace Gonner?


7.) 09 Jul 2019 21:01:18
Or the club can realise what is in front of them, sack OGS and get someone else in urgently before the window closes. Someone we can rally round and survive this season before it goes too far.


8.) 09 Jul 2019 21:46:40
May 2020 and i bet Ole will be sacked by then. wouldn't these players look at the bigger picture and think to themselves that if the manager isn't good then he won't last long.

Interesting times ahead.


9.) 09 Jul 2019 22:10:33
Love the positivity lads. Geeesshh. Ole is our manager. He will not be leaving in the immediate future. Why not get behind our manager who has his first transfer window to sort out this mess of a squad. Ole isn't on his own here either. Do you not think players with the right attitude would like to work with Mike Phelan and Michael Carrick? The high profile manager (Van Gaal and Mourinho) hasn't worked. How about trying a club man with the right management team around him?! Getting sick of the negativity.


10.) 09 Jul 2019 22:03:36
Jesus, that's a depressing read ed002. What are this club doing?


11.) 09 Jul 2019 22:17:20
Hah bloody marvelous. you all shot me down when I said ole will be gone before Christmas. now ya sacking him before season starts.
Football fans eh, who'd have em.


12.) 09 Jul 2019 23:11:13
You mean, someone you can rally round Red Man.


13.) 10 Jul 2019 01:10:46
Lindelof is going nowhere that's for sure.
When the window shuts we will know the squad and then it will be time to assess what realistic expectations are.
Unless there are 3 or 4 more signings and the same leaving ole has no chance no manager would.
The signings will come and the exits will leave in confident of that.
Im excited for the season ahead.


14.) 10 Jul 2019 01:12:50
Wow this site is full of negativity. Who knows if ole will fail or prosper? City and pool didn’t need much n haven’t done much upto now. Leicester have signed a player they had on loan. Not many other clubs have done much as of yet. Whilst I agree that if we start the season with our current squad we will endure a tough season but to write it off before it’s started and to already decide ole is a failure is terrible. I used to love supporting Utd and visiting these forums but they make dour reading these days. The whole thing above because an agent made a throw away remark about his client attracting interest from other clubs your all in meltdown. It seems a lot of you are waiting to say told you so? God help ole with the “support” he’s getting from our “supporters”.


15.) 10 Jul 2019 06:38:23
Nou

I mean someone the players and supporters recognise can do the job and have confidence in. If the club had undertaken the due diligence at the end of the season do you really think OGS would be the manager now? If Poch or Allegri were the manager would you and I mean you have more confidence for this season and future ones? Given the number of disenfranchised players seemingly wanting to leave I sense no confidence inside or outside the club of the top structure down and belief in the appointment of OGS is likely one but not the only reason we have struggled to get players in.


16.) 10 Jul 2019 07:41:54
All ready shouting to sack the the manager.
Dear me.


17.) 09 Jul 2019 23:22:13
Good way to bring out the toxic ed002 😋.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe Ithaca best stop saying anything on the is page again.}


18.) 10 Jul 2019 07:48:02
From Ed002's comments, it feels like we are about to break the bank and pay premium price for someone?
I'm guessing Maguire and SMS.


19.) 10 Jul 2019 08:41:39
The records broken Red Man.


20.) 09 Jul 2019 23:14:16
Question for Ed2 - why did the board not back a winner like Jose but are about to spend millions backing a relative novice in OGS?

{Ed002's Note - This is what I said soon after he arrived:

"It was a bad move to appoint Mourinho and a bad move for him to accept. He doesn't see MU as a progressive club that will adapt to what he thinks they need. He doesn't like being in Manchester and there are those there who still see a blue tinge surrounding him. There was a major error in taking on Ibrahimovich - it is disruptive with the kids (although one specific issue has been overcome) and he wanted to move elsewhere. Mkhitaryan is a disaster waiting to happen. Pogba's career belongs in Spain or Italy - certainly not Manchester. Four players have been told they can go in January (and that is pretty much unheard of)."}


21.) 10 Jul 2019 04:28:02
@ed002 Barcelona match United in spending big and buying players who don't fulfill expectations and are trying to offload now. Coutinho, Dembele etc.
Neymar moved to PSG and now want to come back to Barcelona like Pogba came back for United.
Messi even told once Barcelona are signing substandard players who don't deserve to play for the club.
Players want to Join Barcelona because they have Messi without Messi in two or three years Barcelona will lose its fear factor.
OGS may be a championship manager but if Lindelof wants to play under the best manager he needs to go to Liverpool or City not Spain.
Liverpool won the UCL and almost won the PL playing that good in a wildly tougher league than in spain where it was virtually a freerun to the title for Barcelona and Barcelona lost to pool in the UCL where in the first leg Match they were outplayed comfortably in Nou camp and only Messi's magic gave that lead. Barcelona is also in a downward spiral as well, only easier Spanish league and Messi's magic slow down the downward spiral a bit for time being.

{Ed002's Note - Whilst you might have the Kleenex out for Klopp - he has won nothing else for years and years. This is a ridiculous post.}


22.) 10 Jul 2019 09:20:23
Hi Ed002,

Thanks as always for your honest opinion about United and for all the priceless info you very kindly provide.

You’ve raised the issue of the manager at a club being a reason why a player might want to join/ not join a club. Obviously the biggest draw would appear to be Guardiola but I can imagine Zidane and Pochettino are attractive bosses too.

In your honest and valued opinion, would you mind suggesting a couple of other managers who players see as a reason for going to a club please?

Many thanks Wallace.

{Ed002's Note - Quique Setien, Marcello Lippi, Ricardo Gareca, Max Allegri, Jose Mourinho ....}


23.) 10 Jul 2019 10:00:17
@Ed002 Liverpool set the benchmark last season I used them and Klopp as an example. Klopp, Wenger are better managers than Mourinho who is a serial winner of almost all the trophies. Those who appreciate the quality of football klopp, Wenger plays agree with me.

{Ed002's Note - You seem to have little grasp of reality.}


24.) 10 Jul 2019 09:46:53
Wow, that was a quick reply!

Many thanks Ed002!

{Ed002's Note - It was an easy question.}


25.) 10 Jul 2019 10:32:38
Ed002, sorry if this is a silly question:
You had stated, "as early as tomorrow night they may be re-evaluating their centre back options"
Does this mean the club is moving to new CB targets because of the inflated market?

{Ed002's Note - No, it means that as early as tonight Barcelona are re-evaluating their centre back options. It is nothing to do with an inflated market.

Perhaps they will soon pop along and see if they can help Lindoff to get out of the club?}


26.) 10 Jul 2019 10:55:32
002 you seem to have some incredibly strong fishing bait for bringing the toxics out of the woodwork!

I can see it's going to be another wonderful day of reading ridiculously negative posts on here today 🙄

#OleOut.

{Ed002's Note - I will now be very much limiting telling the truth on this page then. It is not worth the grief - I am sure you will get on much better without me explaining what is going on.}


27.) 10 Jul 2019 11:00:42
Thanks Ed.
Lindelof is the last player we would want out of the club.
Many posters even suggested him as a potential captain.


28.) 10 Jul 2019 11:21:15
Woah sorry Ed, my post was aimed at the ridiculous comments on a few threads in the past 12 hours or so, not your updates!

I thought my hash tag at the end got the sarcasm across, sorry for the confusion!


29.) 10 Jul 2019 14:07:40
I'd love to see Ricardo Gareca taking charge of one of the biggest clubs in world football what he has done with Peru is nothing short of spectacular in my opinion.


30.) 10 Jul 2019 15:43:19
does every manager not start of as a nobody.

10 years ago poch was unheard of and now he is regarded as a decent manager,

klopp has even been relegated as a manager and people think he's the best.

my point is proof is in the pudding and untill ole has a fair crack at the whip i feel its abit un called for with all the slagging off he gets.


31.) 10 Jul 2019 16:15:37
Catch up on threads here.

Ed002 gets asked a question, provides an answer that triggers, then gets triggered himself and then leaves.

Hopefully there's pod before see Ed002 on the other side of the window.


32.) 10 Jul 2019 17:13:51
The answer was provocative.


33.) 10 Jul 2019 17:16:53
united road. why can't we all just have a simple debate with no slagging off.

this page is becoming petty.


34.) 10 Jul 2019 18:54:50
The page is getting petty that's the point. Posters are asking Ed's questions but then don't like their answer (opinion) and reply posti g negatively which provokes other posters and editors who volunteer to time and info to the site.

Decent debates are a rarity these days.

Props the guys who made this site a lot more fun - ngiak, RFT, Syd, Ronnie.

All toxicity, defensive, negative life imitating art.


35.) 10 Jul 2019 20:44:40
To be fair, UR, most of the questions I've read on here recently, have been put politely and respectfully. All of our questions, unless we're heavily involved in the football industry, are coming from a certain degree of ignorance. That's why we ask the Eds in the first place. I know it must be a pain in the hoop seeing the same questions, but just put different ways, over and over again. But I think a certain Ed has been particularly provocative, today. Almost as if he's engineering a way out 😁.


36.) 10 Jul 2019 16:42:19
Keeping telling the truth ed002, it really is appreciated. Ignore the idiots.


37.) 10 Jul 2019 23:37:43
Cheers Ed for answering my thread

Seems rather political at OT!


 

 

 

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06 Sep 2020 09:12:42
Not just at united martial won penalty a for France last night . seems to of got a few of late.

jred

1.) 06 Sep 2020 09:37:48
Didnt Lindelof concede the penalty though?
Also because France didn't have Bruno to take em they went on and missed the pen.


2.) 06 Sep 2020 10:11:12
Griezmann missed the penalty.


 

 

24 Aug 2020 16:34:07
Reports chelsea have got havertz for 100mil . If it was reported we had spent that on a player the site would be in uproar.
They could of got JR for a fraction of the price.

jred

1.) 24 Aug 2020 17:42:44
I think it depends on what role you sign a player for. Havertz is clearly one of the best young players in the world and he has been signed to be a first choice player.

Personally if you spend more than 30m on a player then it should be for a player who is clearly part of your first 11.

You should spend appropriately to the role you are looking for. Havertz is the player they are looking to replace Hazard with. Therefore in today's market for a player of that ability, and at that young age you will be looking at 80m+ easily.

I don't think anyone is suggesting JR as a first choice signing, but just as a better choice back up than some of the other players we have been linked to.


2.) 24 Aug 2020 17:50:29
Absolute uproar there would have been. A frenzy of madness.


3.) 24 Aug 2020 18:18:50
And that's the point shaps, sign grealish or JR and a lot are saying they prefer JR. Just people's preference if they are the choices.

However give me Havertz all day and twice on Sundays, what a baller he is. 100m is a great deal for such a player considering that Dortmund want more for Sancho who is not at that boys level. Chelsea are doing some business this window and quickly.


4.) 24 Aug 2020 19:08:34
£100m is insane money for anything or anyone - especially when there is a global C.V. The club is being prudent, and if they see no value in the market and can not justify astronomical fees for the likes of Sancho, so be it. They know their business better than any of us.

Personally, I’d have saved £120m and given Chong a chance at RW. He’s highly rated and lots of top clubs were interested.


5.) 24 Aug 2020 19:14:59
Angel for me it just really depends on why you are signing a player.

If we are looking for a squad player to step in for 20 odd games a season to allow others a rest or when we want to play in a slightly different way then you don't spend 80m on that sort of player.

To a certain extent I don't care who the player is, and as you say everyone will have their preference. But we have seen the damage that can happen when signing a player that creates a imbalance in the squad. An 80m player would expect to start, as would the highest paid player.

If we have 80m to spend on a player to effectively replace Lingard as a back up No.10 or occasional LW then why not spend 30-40m on a similar level player and spend the rest on quality back up in another area of the squad.


6.) 24 Aug 2020 19:40:14
I agree with all of that shappy. Plus I think grealish is much bigger risk that JR.


7.) 24 Aug 2020 20:18:30
For £100 million you could buy JR, Ewing Oil and the entire Southfork Ranch!


8.) 24 Aug 2020 20:30:56
Might even throw in Sue Ellen and a bottle of bourbon betty.


9.) 24 Aug 2020 20:41:56
Glad someone is old enough to know what I'm on about!
How you doing Ken?


10.) 24 Aug 2020 21:16:39
Ey up Betty, how you doing mate 👍.


11.) 24 Aug 2020 21:41:07
Not too bad thanks Deano. Had a terribly year so far mate, but can't complain too much given what's been going on in the world. Will be glad when things get back to something like normality!


12.) 24 Aug 2020 23:41:10
All good betty thanks your you mate?
you brighten up this page. 🕺👍.


13.) 24 Aug 2020 23:47:35
Hearing it’s €80mil and €20mil on add ons. Decent buy.
Chelsea have a structure in place and are well looked after. I see them being champions again soon.

{Ed0666's Note - that’s not a decent buy mate it’s a game changer he’s that good. I still think Chelsea won’t be champions with Lampard art he helm but they won’t be far away.


14.) 25 Aug 2020 06:26:53
ed066 I think he is a great buy for Chelsea put honestly a few on here if didn't buy anyone of their own list.

{Ed0666's Note - I’ve no idea what you’re saying mate can you rephrase please


15.) 25 Aug 2020 07:47:48
An incredible buy. Also consider the fact that Sancho will cost us another 30-40m euro on top of that. How do Chelsea do it?


16.) 25 Aug 2020 09:09:37
Glad you're OK Betty, been a dreadful year and anyone who comes out of it relatively unscathed has been lucky 👍 good to see you back, these pages could use a bit of humour atm 😁.


 

 

23 Aug 2020 18:05:08
Pogba is key player for Man Utd, they've an important project and he's 100% included. Man Utd will not accept any bid this summer to sell Pogba.  

'We're going to speak about a new contract soon, no stress. ' Raiola
Fancy that.

jred

{Ed002's Note - This puts Manchester United on the spot after their meeting with Paratica during the week.}


1.) 23 Aug 2020 18:19:35
Unlucky us then.


2.) 23 Aug 2020 18:23:04
Paratica? Who he/ them?

{Ed002's Note - Sporting Director of Juventus.}


3.) 23 Aug 2020 18:30:50
Ed002, was the discussion with Paratica about Pogba swap?
Does any of Juventus's players interest United this summer.

{Ed002's Note - I have answered both of those questions in a lengthy post about players.}


4.) 23 Aug 2020 18:53:42
Thanks Ed, just now checked out the detailed information on rumours page.


5.) 23 Aug 2020 19:14:48
If i were pogba and i wanted to stay i'd sign a contract now.
But if i was unsure about staying i'd be waiting until the window closed in oct before opening any negotiation as he will really have the club over a barrel then and is in a much better position to strike a better deal for himself if all is going well in terms of team. competitiveness. If its not going well and the team are not competing a move is still an option as his value decreases.
I think it would help ole if he signed it quickly and removed any uncertainty.


6.) 23 Aug 2020 20:59:35
What we have done in the past with players in the last year of their contract, with the option of another yesr is start negotiations around the January time.


7.) 24 Aug 2020 06:03:10
PP better get on with making his legacy. He is playing no where near the player he was capable of being. If he's moving. Go move somewhere and be the player you want to be. If he staying, same.

Forget the money and be a star player. It starts with effort.

(Just incase he reads this page! Lol)


 

 

20 Aug 2020 10:54:40
Rotation of the squad and our front 3 seems to be the new topic .
The scouse have just walked the league this season
Mane played 47 games this season 50 last
Salah 43 this season 52 last season
Firmino 52 this season 48 last .

This season martial 48, rashford 44 greenwood 49 .

jred

{Ed047's Note - they are in a completely different league to your front 3 though


1.) 20 Aug 2020 11:03:57
Ed47 scored less goals than our front 3 this season .
But that's not really the point of the post.
You should maybe worry about your own front 3 .

{Ed047's Note - maybe I should but I’m not and didn’t win you nowt though did it 🤷‍♂️


2.) 20 Aug 2020 11:19:49
Ed47, qualities wise yes but i think Jred is trying to compare the number of games they have played since people are complaing about the depth and lack of rotation.

{Ed047's Note - I know mate, was just teasing 😊😉


3.) 20 Aug 2020 11:42:33
{Ed047's Note - they are in a completely different league to your front 3 though)

Ed if they don't stop illegally tapping up players they could be in a different league. prison league haha.
Seriously though when will clubs learn and this is all clubs as some don't get found out?


4.) 20 Aug 2020 11:43:29
That should put to bed any excuses like martial and rashford were injured so much that we didn't play well.


5.) 20 Aug 2020 11:44:56
Jred, the issue is that although Greenwood made 49 appearances, he played 1954 minutes which equates to just under 22 full games.

He is young and will not be physically able to play 3388 minutes that Mane played this season or the 3620 minutes that Salah has played.

Yet he does look ready for a bigger role.

While Rashford and Martial have played 3070 and 3132 minutes respectively. Both short of what Mane and Salah managed. Both have suffered with injuries and had the season not been stopped for 3 months Rashford would have made significantly less minutes due to injury.

Also all three of Liverpool's players are 28 and in their prime, while our players are young and will need to be taken out of the spotlight from time to time. With Greenwood still growing physically and needing more rest that the others.

Having a 4th choice top quality option will be very important for us next season, especially when you consider the shortened summer break, rotation will be more important than ever next season. However, that option doesn't need to be Jadon Sancho, and the club don't need to be held to ransom for him. If a deal can be struck then great, but if not then we can look to other options.

I think Greenwood should be looking to start 30-35 games next season with maybe another 10-15 sub appearances. I think he is most likely to get that on the RW.

No one had an issue with an 18/ 19 year old Ronaldo playing most weeks at RW, while later in his career he played mainly on the left or centrally. So for me if we can't sign Sancho then maybe Greenwood should be first choice RW and we should be looking at a player who can support him and rotate with him.

In that respect David Brooks wouldn't be a bad signing.


6.) 20 Aug 2020 12:20:12
Ken 3 semi final runs lot of cup games . Always need to look at the bigger picture .
But a bit like 47 (unsurprisingly not really the point of the op )


7.) 20 Aug 2020 12:31:55
jred, Liverpool have extraordinary fullbacks who are contributing immensely to their attack.
That's the extra bit of quality which they have with the rest of the teams.

Moreover, our front 3 are not even at their peak yet.
It will be a mouth watering attack in 2-3 years.


8.) 20 Aug 2020 12:54:28
Truered
I agree but like i say seems to be a lot of talk at the moment about us not making changes or certain players playing to much .
But your better players play and I think that's always been the case .


9.) 20 Aug 2020 12:54:33
Ole pitchside before the Sevilla game said
“We are physically definitely ready, ” the United boss said ahead of the game. “Mentally the boys will be ready because a semi-final everyone would want to take part and join in. I just want them to enjoy it. "

And then 120 minutes later.

"It’s quite exciting to work with these boys but then again you could see how tired they were at the end - tired legs and tired minds. So we’ll need the break we can have now and go again very soon. ”

So What is it jred? Who's talking crap, us or the manager? Every game we played we seemed to get worse. Playing largely the same starting 11 will definetely have an effect.

Bringing on a striker in the 93rd minute when the players had tired legs and tired minds. Genius.


10.) 20 Aug 2020 13:15:42
Mumbles
I thought we played well in the game against sevill.
Whats your point?
Ole said the players where ready and fit?
So that's what he played .
Tired minds at the end of a 62 game sesson of course . But that's the same for everyteam .
I would be more worried if players weren't tired after a game

Playing largely the same starting 11 will definetely have an effect?
Yet as I point out above in my op mane salah and firmino play week in week out?
Infact good players do, mind you all players are ready for a rest at thd end of the season .
You can as always try to turn this into and ole bashing thread .
But the op is about game time for players .
Salah has played 42, 52 and 52 games for the scouse what's the issue?


11.) 20 Aug 2020 13:44:00
Liverpool are current English, European and world champions. Your dig at ed47 saying he should worry about his own teams players, while on the same hand talking about players of a team that are light years ahead of us.

They have a manager who has instilled a way of playing. They don't get tired because they're motivated and conditioned not to.

Your original post is about Liverpool walking the league with the same front 3, so why are people talking about rotation?

The reason we are is because Rashford was back from a long injury lay off and played the majority of football after the restart. He was clearly not 100%. Other players for dipped with each game. The managers insistence of playing the same team may have cost us two chances at winning a trophy.

This all stems from you being happy for the club to spend obscene amounts of money and Sancho. When others would like the money spent smarter and bringing in numbers because clearly the manager only fancies 14/ 15 players which will definetely cause problems next year.


12.) 20 Aug 2020 14:08:54
We don't have the quality to replace our front 3 and neither do Liverpool.


13.) 20 Aug 2020 11:46:51
Ed47 lol not really the point of the post tho is it.
I would say your past worrying about arsenal.

{Ed047's Note - no mate was only jesting fella and yes you are 100% right about Arsenal.

Your front 3 are pretty good to be fair, not so struck on Martial if I’m honest and you really could and should have better in that 9 role but the other two, particularly Greenwood, I definitely like, he could be very special.

Rashford keeps losing his way a little but is still young and I’m sure will be fine.


14.) 20 Aug 2020 14:19:51
That's a good point bro. Some people can't see past the nose on their own face.

{Ed047's Note - until they get Mbappe ken 😉


15.) 20 Aug 2020 16:33:53
mumbles
How does it all stem from me being happy if the club sign sancho?

Liverpool have clearly shown that you can do great things with out rotating constantly.

But this is nothing new . If fit 9 out of 10 times your best players play . Ronaldo kane messi KDB salah VVD, if fit normally play. But its not just the top teams its the same at any level of football.


16.) 20 Aug 2020 16:36:45
mumbles I wouldn't worry to much about 47 either, like he says it was only teasing.


17.) 21 Aug 2020 01:22:03
Interesting debate here. I would fall alongside Ed047 here. Greenwood looks special, rashford will be good - I don't see why he doesn't play on the right more, but Martial is hit n miss - obviously talented but longer term I think greenwood plays 9. As for the Liverpool link which brought the response - our front 3 remain fit and in forn and our 3 of our best and most important players hence they don't get rotated too often although it would be nice to have more competition for places. It's our own point of development.


 

 

18 Aug 2020 08:27:35
Start of season people said we needed to get top 4 . We finished 3rd
Ole took over a squad going backwards, that was mid table.
We needed and are in the middle of a rebuild .
3rd in league, 3 semi finals , better style of play . We are probably half way through the rebuild .

Down below there is post after post about the squad not being good enough followed by the same prople saying the manger is not getting enough out the squad?
The same people who where adamant we had to finish top 4 back tracking now that we have .

jred

1.) 18 Aug 2020 08:45:48
Jred

Jose won 2 trophies in one season, not semi final failure. Below are again the stats for his final one and this last season under Ole.
It wasn’t good enough in 2018, so how is that an improvement?

United 2017/ 8
Scored 68 conceded 28
Points 81
Win% 66

United 2019/ 20
Scored 66 conceded 36
Points 66
Win% 47.


2.) 18 Aug 2020 08:57:30
Redman what's your point? Why wasn't our season good enough in 2017/ 2018? We finished second that year .

Jose got sacked the following year after another third season melt down.

Start of season people said we needed to get top 4 . We finished 3rd

Ole took over a squad going backwards, that was mid table.
We needed and are in the middle of a rebuild .
3rd in league, 3 semi finals, better style of play . We are probably half way through the rebuild .

Down below there is post after post about the squad not being good enough followed by the same prople saying the manger is not getting enough out the squad?
The same people who where adamant we had to finish top 4 back tracking now that we have.


3.) 18 Aug 2020 08:58:31
People set a target of top 4. And are now seriously back tracking that ole has met THEIR target.


4.) 18 Aug 2020 09:23:01
united 98/ 99 finished on 79 points with a win percent of 57

these stats are absolute pointless red man

now you need 100 points to win a title.


if anyone can not see we have improved from the start of oles reign to now then use need help, he may not or he may be the man to take us back to the top no one knows.

you can all throw names around like blanc and poch but nothing is guaranteed

also jose had a complete meltdown as per, wanted to sign players in there 30s, the guy didn't even have a house thsts how committed he was to the club.


5.) 18 Aug 2020 09:41:54
Jred, you said the squad ole took over needed rebuilding but for the 6 months previous were saying jose was not getting the most out of a great and expensively assembled squad?
So ole took what you labeled a squad full of very good players expensively assembled, under achieving and spent a further 200m on it and accumalates less points less trophies finishes lower and can't get to a final and you are now back tacking saying the squad you critisised jose for under achieving with needed rebuilding.
You were at pains to tell us all that jose was not getting the most out of the squad now ole has spent 200m and has 5 new players yes half a team that he is not under achieving despite doing worse.
Is ole getting the best out of his expensively assembled squad?
Is a points total closer to relegation than 1st good enough?
Why was the squad you labled very good under jose not good enough under ole after a further 200m?
You were told and jose said it himself that he over achieved with what he had but you wouldn't accept that and said he was under achieving. But now you are moving the goal posts
Now ole is telling all the fans and the whole world that he hasn't enough quality his squad is weak we are miles behind the front 2. Sound familiar jose said the exact same things.
Your legendary double standard come to the fore once again.
You think ole is doing a satisfactory job. The board do. Some fans dont.
You have made your position clear. You think in the coming years ole as a manager will win more trophies than jose has won. Your entitled to that belief.
You wanted jose as manager and then changed your mind. You didn't want ole as manager and now you do.
Im basing my opinion and make judgements on what i see. Just like you do but You just can't accept that people see different to you.
81 points and 2 trophies and a cup final were not good enough for you. Yet 66 points no finals or trophies is good enough. I don't understand that logic.
Jose imo should have resigned and needed to be fired when he was. He was on a downward spiral and was not able to get more from his squad. I feel the same about ole.
If c. v had not come about i don't think we would have made top 4 and ole would be gone. But he is still here and we have to deal with it.
But just like you spent months criticising the previous manager others are allowed to critisise this manager until he starts winning or competing to win the big prizes.
You say our play had improved i don't see that i find our play submissive uninspiring and predictable and very inconsistent. Hot run poor run. When the pressure is on we have failed to deliver good play more often than not.
This squad is good enough to win a el. Its full of players that have won a EL. So not having a squad good enough to win that is bull.
For me ole is a failure with little chance of bringing us back to the top. You think he will go on to win more trophies than jose has. I hope he does because they will all be at united as no other top club will ever employ him. I can't wait for the champions league's and championships to start flowing.


6.) 18 Aug 2020 09:45:19
Bolger,

I think some people don’t want to see the improvement as they have already made their mind up. I think a better comparison are the 2 games against Sevilla that knocked us out of Europe and the different style of play and the difference in the team now.

The same thing always happens after a loss on here so it’s no surprise, if we had finished 6th and the Europa league was our only chance to get CL next season I’d be devastated but fortunately as jred says Ole had already hit that target.


7.) 18 Aug 2020 09:54:11
Jose was sacked because of the toxic atmosphere.
Players bashed and ashamed publicly.
Mourning in every press conference.
He just didn't conduct himself as a manager of one of the biggest clubs, always blaming others.

Combination of poor results, dull football and toxic atmosphere cost him the job.


8.) 18 Aug 2020 09:54:42
I am not suggesting Poch and definitely not Blanc.

The OP made that Ole has achieved. Is top 4 an achievement? It was the minimum requirement but we failed in 3 semi finals, never been done before. They also exposed the esteemed leaders shortfalls. Surrender v Chelsea and the lack of making changes on Sunday

Ole will be with us next season but no matter how much he is “bigged” up, unless he improves his in game management and tactical set up it won’t improve.


9.) 18 Aug 2020 09:57:46
I thought that this was a squad ready to go, that Jose couldn't get the best out of it.

I'm still adamant that this isn't going to end well. Scraped into that top4. Lucky man I reckon.


10.) 18 Aug 2020 10:08:58
Great post Ken.


11.) 18 Aug 2020 10:11:53
jred, the squad that Ole took over finished second that year as RedMan stated, so if anything Ole has taken the squad backwards. He let Fellaini go and now has no one who can change a game for him, Plan B. He let Young go who is still better than forever injured Shaw and the kid Williams. He let Smalling go who is better than Lindelof, Bailly and Jones. He let a striker go who on his own is better than the three playing for us right now. So how did Ole make the squad better. Mind you Pogba still wants to leave.

I have said it before and will reiterate - Do not confuse Bruno effect with Ole. It was Bruno that galvanized the club and the team since January, nothing to do with Ole. If Ole had been that good, we would have seen it from August to January as well.

GDS, why don't you mention the snoozefests against Spurs, Saints, Palace, Norwich, Chelsea etc etc. just picking out games that suit your agenda is it?

Overall picture is that even after 200M spent and supposedly selling the deadwood, we finished 66 points, same as last year when we had deadwood.


12.) 18 Aug 2020 10:20:13
Ole took over a jose squad he needed to make it his own squad his own team . Hence the first player he sold was fellaini. Decent player imo but a jose player .
Lukaku young smalling even sanchez are now doing well in other teams . But they didn't fit in the to the current set up

Its quite clear we are in the middle of a rebuild, it happens when you get a new manager, and it takes time.

The same people who where adamant we had to finish top 4 back tracking now that we have its hilarious

And jose got sacked for another 3rd season melt down in the 2018/ 19 season . Not finishing 2nd in 2017/ 18.


13.) 18 Aug 2020 10:23:03
That was the narrative then angel you big silly Billy.
Its different now because jred has changed his mind. He is the only one allowedd change his mind or opinion. He wanted jose then turned on him. He didn't want ole now he does. But nobody else is allowed have an opinion or change of mind.
It was a great squad under jose. But its a poor one under ole. Fact is it was a poor squad under both. 1 coach got more out of it than the other simple as that really. But everybody in the world par a few idiots would say that jose is a better coach than ole.
Ole wants a full new team like a lot of managers. He is here 18 months and has only had half a new team give him another year and more new players.
Over the years it very rare to see united players doing better at their new clubs that they did at united that's simply not the case anymore now players are leaving united and doing better at their new clubs.
In all honesty its been a sad demise since fergie and gill left. No 1 individual is to blame.


14.) 18 Aug 2020 10:30:31
Trd.
Has ole not come out this week and said he has not e nough quality in his squad. That we are miles behind liverpool and city with quality of players?
Has he not said we need to spend on better players?
Has ole flogged his players to exhaustion because he doesn't rate or trust his fringe players.
He maybe a little more subtle than jose with his sly digs but he is acting and doing the same things except he can't find a formula to win when the pressure is on because he doesn't know how.


15.) 18 Aug 2020 10:49:06
Biggest game of the season was the lecister game . Which we won .


16.) 18 Aug 2020 10:50:39
this is a different squad to the one Jose had

i think if we didn't have the injuries to the players we did we would have been closer to city at least and would not be so harsh on the manager.

the fact is that city and Liverpool have a far better structure and have been building for the success that they have got over more than just 18 months.

when he does go he will leave the club is a much better position than when he joined,

just be careful what you wish for.


17.) 18 Aug 2020 11:12:46
Correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Bruno Fernandes (Ole's saviour) a Jose Mourinho target? As was the flop centre back.


18.) 18 Aug 2020 11:15:57
It seems clear to me that people have their opinion and believe that anyone elses is incorrect. Personally I think the truth lies somewhere between sack the manger and blind faith.

I would say this season has been adequate - champions league qualification was a minimum, 3 semi finals is a decent achievement, but this club should always be judged on trophies not 'nearlies'.

All the players that have left were derided as not good enough by most on here (despite how they may be performing at other clubs), and the players brought in are better than those that have left. There is still massive holes in the squad though, and everyone should be able to see that. That isn't an excuse to take away from the deficiencies of Ole though - he seems to struggle with making subs that will change a match, maybe because he doesn't have faith in the quality of player, but needs to realise that sometimes a lesser player who offers something different is all that is needed.

Every manager has shortcomings, the trick is to surround them with people who negate these. I don't feel this is the case with the current management team. Ole also needs to be more positive, as I feel he sets the team up to be passive in the game more than I would like.

Has Ole done enough to keep his job? Just about I reckon. He met the minimum requirement, the squad is improving, and in the matches where we perform as a United side I see some enjoyable football to watch. However, there needs to be a continued improvement from the team and Ole if he wants to survive the season. 30+ points behind top of the league can't be accepted for another season.

God, after typing that I feel like Shappy🤣.


19.) 18 Aug 2020 11:17:25
Ken, Jose totally disrupted the dressing room in his last season.

Shaw, Martial and Rash were literally bullied in public, playing McT and Matic in defense just to prove some point.

We were struggling to create chances. Players literally stopped putting in any shift.

In contrast, we are creating chances for fun now, playing much better football.
We have played the youngest team in the league.
Ole is building a solid foundation for the future with this young squad.

Few more quality signings will push us even more to the next level.


20.) 18 Aug 2020 11:22:20
In my opinion Ole has earned the right to continue the re-build. Whilst I'm not comparing Ole to Klopp I'm sure I remember fierce criticism of Klopps in game management during his first couple of seasons at Liverpool. His teams appeared to run out of steam and he didn't make substitutions until late in the games. I'm sure he was accused by Jamie Carragher of not being able to change the outcome of games by his substitutions! Sound familiar? Maybe Ed001 can help? Of course Klopp had the pedigree and experience of building a great side and challenging the established elite but his success wasn't achieved overnight nor without some criticism and doubt.

Ole has big decisions to make over the future's of De Gea and Pogba. He needs to decide if there is value in the likes of Sancho and Grealish. These decisions will shape the culture of the dressing room and determine how successful his time at Utd will be. He must get the recruitment right if he wants to challenge City and Liverpool.

The Sevilla games serve as an insightful reminder to our past and present. In 2018 they knocked us out of the Champions League in one of the most uninspiring, negative, lack lustre performances I have even seen at Old Trafford. After the game Jose schooled us with a lesson in football heritage. A few months months later he was sacked!

On Monday night we outplayed Sevilla, playing some wonderfully creative, attacking football. We all know that if you don't take your chances and defend poorly you get punished but at least there was an intent to win the game. It was far from perfect but at least we went down with a fight. After the game the disappointment was palpable but there was no excuses. An honourable defeat is still not good enough for Man Utd but I sensed a desire and hunger to put things right.

A lot of posters are waiting for Ole to fail, moving the goal posts and re defining what constitutes progress in order to fit their own narrative. I understand the reservations but in his first full season he finished third and reached three Cup semi finals. Is this good enough for Man Utd? Of course not but Ole accepts that and is striving for better.

{Ed001's Note - yes, you are correct it was a criticism of Klopp early on. Some people attributed it to Klopp himself, others to a lack of quality on the bench, myself I think it was down to Buvac's input. Having the right input can be huge.}


21.) 18 Aug 2020 11:34:29
Smalling, Young, Fellaini and Lukaku. The first three especially, were slated mercilessly on here when they played for us. But suddenly now it was a mistake to get rid? 😂 You left Sanchez off your list. I presume even you couldn't defend that one.


22.) 18 Aug 2020 11:35:32
No no no no jred. You say the proudly!

Leicester was the biggest game of the season and so were all the other games that we won. Yes.

The 3 semifinals and all the other games we failed in were just Training Ground practice sessions.


23.) 18 Aug 2020 11:40:23
The club is at a point where in all reality no fans are actually happy with where were are and also are completely divided.
There are those that see the shoots of recovery from the toxic years under Jose Mourinho and overemphasis being placed on the fact that we achieved Top 4 and CL football next year whilst also going on multiple winning runs during the season. This gives hope that we are a couple of players away from competing next year and we need to keep with Ole's plan and stick with him.
Then there are those that are downplaying the achievement of this year and highlighting the lack of progress points wise from the previous year raising the point that we would not have achieved top 4 if other teams had been better this yeas which would be normal. These believe that Ole is limited as a manager and we should thank him for steadying the ship, shipping out some deadwood and bring in an accomplished manager for the next phase of the recovery.
The reality is potentially a bit of both, from where we were as a club and the harmony we now see we should be thankful for Olly and also appreciate the style he is bringing in is much more the United Way. I think we are going to stick with him no matter what especially with the C.V. situation as he understands the constraints of the club and to bring in another manager i think they would be unrealistic about what we can do in the transfer window. I hope that he brings in another Assistant to give a different view and shows more confidence in the subs next year, you don't always need the best players but be adaptable to get the best out of the players you have. Be flexible with the system next season and change tbetween a 433, 3232 or 4222 when you have to bring in the likes of McTominy/ Fred/ Lingard etc
I think next year will be the test for the club and Olly. if it does not work I don't see the club seeing the season out with him. let's hope it all goes well.
And please. get in a DOF.


24.) 18 Aug 2020 11:45:41
I would say the same bolger be careful what you wish for. But you have your wish granted ole is staying so let's see how it pans out.
What are your expectations for next season?
Mine are plus 20 points a cl quarter final and to win one of the other cups? Not unreasonable given 2 and a half years and i'd imagine close to 350m spent even lvg and jose were winning trophies by then with less expenditure.


25.) 18 Aug 2020 12:13:38
Its weird isn't it we won things under jose and I still didn't take any joy in watching his team play. We are not winning things yet under ole and I'm still looking forward to every game. I'm not saying playing style is more important than winning but how I'm feeling is very much like how a lot of fans are feeling.


26.) 18 Aug 2020 12:14:42
Been trying not to get involved in this never-ending debate but for what it's worth here are my thoughts.

Ole is an excellent motivator and man-manager. Made in immediate impact in his care-taker role but should never have gone beyond that in terms of manager. I feel he would have been a far better coach alongside someone experienced, ie filling the role currently employed by Carrick or McKenna who seem to just sit on the bench with gormless expressions. But compared to what he has followed (Mourinho, LvG, Moyes) his side is far more attacking and I feel better to watch - without ever looking like a side that can win something big.

I feel the big clubs are caught in a perpetual cycle of replacing managers if they don't win something within a few seasons, then allowing the new manager a few transfer windows to make it 'their' team. Ole has made some great signings, even if the love for AWB dipped in the last few weeks and Maguire is no longer seen as the great leader the team desperately needed. Ole needs two more windows in my view. I think he'll stay for the coming season but if he still hasn't won something with 'his' team by season end it's time to look at maybe Nagelsmann or ten Hag. Young managers with far better tactical nouse. And then the cycle begins again, giving them 3-4 windows to create the first team in their mould.

As far as transfers go, of course Sancho would be an explosive signing but for me the main cog should be a driving force in midfield. A true leader that is in the thick of everything. Pogba is not that player. Saul for me is the player I would prefer most this window rather than a recklessly expensive move for a winger. Maguire is still the main man as far as I am concerned but he needs a better player alongside him. DDG for me is still no.1 despite some awful errors in the last few months.


27.) 18 Aug 2020 12:27:19
I will personally just finish on .
The target people set for ole was top 4 . Until he achived that

We are in the middle of a rebuild, imo we have improved over the season and are going in the right direction .
Roll on next season, we need to continue to improve.


28.) 18 Aug 2020 12:29:11
Dlib great post, on the money there imo.


29.) 18 Aug 2020 12:47:33
Mnk i agree that fans want and see different things.


30.) 18 Aug 2020 12:57:24
Jred, there us a scenario where Ole has done OK but is still not good enough for the job at hand. I think he's way out of his depth but deserves to be held to same standards as the other managers. He's met his minimum requirements so he keeps his job.

The end to the season was underwhelming. Any feel good factor we had has gone because of those poor semi final displays. We limped over the finish line.

Every poster that opposes Ole being our manager has posted tons of very good posts outlining their issues, which there are many. Having had many conversations with you this Season, you latch onto one point and don't let go. Opposition fans want the manager to stay. Editors with no ties to United say he's out of his depth.

He's an ok manager getting ok results with a talented squad. The beauty of all this is we get to see how it ends. The bar is rising season after season. Finish closer to the Champions then to the relegated teams, don't get embarrassed Inn the Champions league and hopefully win a trophy.

Anything else and he's going backwards.


31.) 18 Aug 2020 13:08:02
We are in the middle of a rebuild? So you're saying the squad Jose left Ole with was not good enough and needed a rebuild?

Which one is it? Squad was good enough or wasn't?


32.) 18 Aug 2020 13:16:19
ken i would agree on those expectations, top 4 is the minimum with the gap being closed and as you say QF of the champions league and a cup win or at least another decent cup run but the board will set the main objective as top 4.

it all depends on the window for me, do the board want to progress or are they happy just challenging for top 4? the manager has to be backed.

Ole would have told Woodward what he needs and he must deliver just as much as the manager and staff.

we can't go into next season with the same squad, we lack quality on the bench and if we have the same bad luck with injuries then again we might be in for an up and down season.


33.) 18 Aug 2020 13:19:21
I think as soon as a manager leaves, the new guy begins the latest 'rebuild'. It's a get out of jail card every manager can use if things aren't going well a season in. Funnily it doesn't seem to affect lesser teams, just the ones trying to uphold the impossible standards of the past.


34.) 18 Aug 2020 13:33:46
Bolger i agree i think they are reasonable targets.
I don't care what the board see as acceptable.
So what your saying is if the board don't back ole in the same way they didn't back jose you expect a bad season. i'd agree with that for sure. Going into his 3rd season after winning 2 cups losing a final and coming 2nd he was hung out to dry and not backed. He should have resigned the day the window closed as he was on a hiding to nothing but of course he didn't as he wanted his millions who can blame him for that.
But still he is held responsible for the next 3 months. If the board do the same to ole will you be holding ole responsible or the board that didn't back him?


35.) 18 Aug 2020 14:18:54
what i'm saying is for us to continue progressing we need to strengthen we can't just rest and think 3rd place is good enough let's not improve the squad.

we have gone from having one of the oldest squads to the if i'm not correct the youngest?

i always said from day 1 that Jose was not backed and he should have been backed, after giving the guy a contract in the January we get to the summer and he gets only fred.

but the way jose went about his ways not what this club is about. but that not Jose's fault that's just the way he is and woodward and judge or whoever is the decision maker knew that.

you can blame the club for panic hiring and if they as ed002 said stuck to their plan with LVG and then the ex juve manager we might or might not have been in the same situation we are in now.


36.) 18 Aug 2020 14:35:42
That's true mate.
4 bad appointments on the bounce. By the law of averages the next one should be good. Imo the sooner that happens the better as it gives us a better chance.
Ole is has retained his job so all we can hoe is that he is able to take the big strides forward that we need. I've no faith in him but i can hope😂.
He needs a hot start and needs to keep pace early on with the other main teams. If he does that and we get some momentum he might improve us i just don't see it.
So much depends on who we sign and how they fit in.
Pogba is another issue it would help ole no end if he signs a contract extension nice and quickly.


37.) 18 Aug 2020 14:57:21
I‘d agree with Ed001 here.

I believe Ole is great inn a SAF role, which is more of a Director if Football role compared to a typical coach.
Define the direction, culture, recruitment etc, but less of the daily details, training, tactics etc.

He needs to find his Queiroz to guide him in these things and make better decisions subsequently.

Then I believe we are golden.

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure that is agreeing with me, I would not call him great in any role.}


38.) 18 Aug 2020 15:18:17
Spenno, I don't see you post on here very often, but you should post more, fella.

Both your posts show the middle ground on the subject that I suspect many agree with.

Problem is, in today's tribalistic society, people pick a side first and then find arguments/ stats etc to back that position up.

The middle is not a cool place to sit anymore.


39.) 18 Aug 2020 15:22:13
Angle
Read my posts. A new manager will rebuild a team to his style of play .
Eg fellaini was sold straight away not a ole type player but a jose one . that also doesn't make him a bad player .
As we have been told there is also a change in direction from the club looking to bring in and promote younger players . hence the average age of the squad has drooped .
Come on this isn't difficult .

Everyone said top 4 was the target, what ole had to do. Until he done it.


40.) 18 Aug 2020 16:11:41
I don't think top 4 was what Ole had to do, not for the fans . Top 4 was really really important and we would be glad to achieve top 4 even for half point . It was absolutely crucial for economic reasons and in order to attract more top players. So top 4 was crucial and the minimum expectation for Ole to stay at the job.
Very often people lower the bar to prove a point and that is what Oles fans trying to do saying that he achieved top 4 so its good. Would he be a worst manager if he took us to 80 points and didn't make top 4? Clearly not, so the criteria, for us (fans), is not this . He is in the team over 1.5 year now, we have seen
his press conferences, his tactics, how he cope with pressure, his game management, what kind of players he wants, if he is ruthless enough with players who doesn't want to be here like Pogba. We have a clear picture of him to allow us to judge him for what he has shown us day to day rather what the table says.
Maybe it sounds bad, but when Ole took over he was a random manager, he shouldn't be in this role in the first place. Do you want the current Molde manager Erling Moe? No? Why? Because he didn't score the winner at Champions League final and he is not a club legend?
Still he may have proved to be a good manager, all coaches were "random" at some point at the start of their career and start from somewhere, some made small steps like Klopp from Maintz to Dortmund and then to Liverpool, some made bigger steps like Pep and Zizou although i assume that the risk was low in their cases because being bad in Spain with these teams (back then) means that you may drop one position to second or third and next year change your manager and move on, it was not a big deal.
For these reasons, even he mustnt be our manager in the first place, we gave him the benefit of the doubt. So after 1 and a half year stop all this nownonse and let us to judge him for what we see in over 500 days.


41.) 18 Aug 2020 16:19:51
I agree with 99 2 good post spenno.


42.) 18 Aug 2020 16:42:32
Herrera
I actually made a similar point a while back.
I really wasnt that fixated with finishing in the top 4 .
I think you need to look at the bigger picture . At the time we weren't in thw top 4 tho and peooke repeatedly said the only way to judge ole was if he gets top 4 🤷‍♂️. Until he did.


43.) 18 Aug 2020 16:45:26
I like that, "failed in 3 semi finals, never been done before"

I'm not surprised. This is only the second time in the last 20 years or longer that we've made it to 3 semifinals. Plenty of seasons we only made it to one quarter final, let alone semi, even under Sir Alex.

3rd and 3 semifinals is really not a bad season. Not a great one either, but not bad.

Is Ole the Messiah? No.

Is he the one to put us back firmly on top of English football for the next 20+ years and build a legacy to rival SAF? I'd be delighted if he did, but probably not.

Has he earned the right to continue the rebuild, and the chance to grow with the team, the chance to become that long-term manager we want? Absolutely.


44.) 18 Aug 2020 17:22:02
Does finishing third not have the same ring to it as making top 4? We finished third. Behind two of the best teams the league has seen in decades. And above Chelsea, with their bright young manager. Frank does seem to get cut a bit more slack though.


45.) 18 Aug 2020 17:48:27
Thank you Noucamp99. I love the passionate banter here, we're all on the same side. I think. :D
Been following Utd since the mid eighties, when I happened to catch one of the old Soccer 6 tournaments and Jesper Olsen caught my eye as an exciting player and naturally found myself wanting the team to do well, before getting to watch them through the eras a few times in the flesh. Been a while though, the last time was at White Hart Lane with Cantona, my favourite player of the era, and another flying winger, Andrei Kanchelskis. He could shift.
I think post-Fergie this is certainly the best Utd have been, or at least the most watchable. City and Liverpool have been unbelieveable which has made the void seem enormous. Furthermore Fergie left an aging squad to his successor and we're still recovering (indeed a few of his signings are still kicking around) . Supposedly Bale was climbing aboard the helicopter to sign for Moyes when Real put in the rival bid. That one could have changed things.
I feel the first team when fully fit can put in a good account against any Prem team, even if it is only catching them on the break rather than dominating things. I'm not convinced we will make a dent in the later rounds of the CL with Ole. I don't think it's just down to players - Lyon and Leipzig have a few terrific players of course, but find themselves in the semis due to having brilliant systems where the first XI is settled and everyone knows exactly what to do. You could argue even some of Fergie's squads had this, there were superstars grabbing the headlines but among them were plenty of distinctly average players SAF managed to squeeze every drop of use from. Sadly positivity and putting an arm around a player will only get you so far. Klopp and Guardiola have this too, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fancy being on the wrong side of either. I think I'd burst out at Ole if he started shouting at me!


46.) 18 Aug 2020 18:17:00
I don't think there's a person on here that doesn't have some doubts or reservations about Ole, mate. But apparently to defend him in any way, makes you an overly sentimental fool, or fan boy. Me, a near 50 year old, a fan boy! 😁

I think, like Mnk mentioned above, I can only go with what I see in front of me. For me personally, I enjoy watching us again. I lost count how many times under LVG and Jose, that I didn't last the 90 minutes. Sometimes not even till half time!

Again, for me anyway, it's not just about winning trophies. It's about passion, excitement, seeing youngsters coming through and making the grade. More often than not, if the football is good, success will hopefully follow.


47.) 18 Aug 2020 18:29:45
Nou

“ Behind two of the best teams the league has seen in decades”

Better than all SAF teams then? 94, 99, 08

Hyperbole?


48.) 18 Aug 2020 18:47:35
Red Man, I said '2 of the best', not 'the two best'. Sorry if the difference was too subtle for you amidst all the fire and brimstone.


49.) 18 Aug 2020 19:02:55
Nou

Not too subtle. Hyperbole, the Chelsea team and the Arsenal teams were also two of the best. However, I know you want to put Ole on a pedestal though for finishing third.


50.) 18 Aug 2020 20:14:23
So you don't think Klopp's Liverpool and Pep's City are two OF the best?

Fair enough.

Of course those two you mentioned were up there too. Like I said, I didn't say the 2 best - that does mean there can be others up there. I think you're struggling with the difference in meaning here. Maybe too quick to post without actually reading the one you're replying to.

I'd imagine the Chelsea team under Jose would have been more your cup of tea, to be fair.


51.) 18 Aug 2020 21:35:30
Interesting read guys, if I was so against ole I probably wouldn't bring up Jose's time at the club he didn't leave because he won 2 cups he went because of where we were went he went . We were low in the league, signing old players on huge wages and basically thought of as the most boring team in the league with the phrase park the bus the most associated term with us .
The age old do you want to be successful or entertaining debate has surely been put to bed by city and liverpool, both is the answer .
If people want ole out suggest a coach successfull and with a thrilling team not someone who came across as bitter, played boring football and signed older players .
I understand people are concerned ole isn't good enough but he has to fail first not be fired because people feel he may fail.


52.) 18 Aug 2020 22:29:32
My cup of tea is winning trophies.


53.) 18 Aug 2020 22:38:30
Slate

Jose should have resigned the day after the transfer window closed instead of hanging on for his pay off. We have made a mess of all the appointments one way or another. Still his was the last trophy we won. I made it clear I want a different coach to Jose. In terms of Ole, no doubt he will be staying for now but I will continue to point out his frailties and if he doesn’t improve its only a matter of time.

Nou

The best team was our 08 side, Liverpool and City have been exceptional and so were the Chelsea and Arsenal sides. No Chelsea would not be my cup of tea, but they were tough to beat and pushed SAF. The thing about Liverpool and City is they won cups, my frustration is that top four was something we derided Arsenal about not a celebration. Surrendering that FA Cup semi was very poor for me.


54.) 19 Aug 2020 09:32:18
No-ones celebrating finishing third. It was a minimum requirement for most. It's a stepping stone. A sign of progression, and an opportunity to attract better players. But with City and Liverpool in the position they're currently in, any realist would appreciate that was as high as we were going to finish this season.


55.) 19 Aug 2020 15:25:25
Red Man, i don't buy into the hype of second place with Jose. This team had no potential (and that's what counts going forward) . We were second with Liverpool nowhere near the team is now, Chelsea had their problems with Conte and struggling, Tottenham and Arsenal as usual nowhere near the top. Yes we were second, conceding 16 fewer goals than our expected goals against suggested and our expected points had us fifth or sixth at the table. This season was a paradox, we played terrible but De Gea had one of the best seasons a goalkeeper has ever had and at the other end we scored more goals than we expected to. Next season would always going to be a "correction" . Ofcourse creating a toxic atmosphere didn't help.
Some will say that we didn't bough all the player he wants, that seems to be an excuse only for Jose because none manager can buy all his targets, yet is Mourinho who moans all the time. Having seeing his transfers in first two seasons i wouldn't also give him a penny. The mistake was not firing him the time we all could see he is a bad bad fit, not that we didn't back him in the market .


 

 

 

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Dannyc well said my man.

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No one on the media knows what is going on but it sounds like shappy does.

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Maybe isn't as bleak as people mske out,

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Just seen that he says no issues with wages or agent fees, player can't wait to join .
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Owen would be a better example similar injury as opposed to giggs persistent injuries .
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Arsenal really 🤦‍♂️.

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the amount of games in that space of time after the restart was hopefully a bit of a 1 off .

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Its maybe the fact there aren't a 100 false click bait headlines a day when it comes to youth recruitment.

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{Ed002's Note - This is the last opportunity to buy 16 and 17 year old players from Europe.}


 

 

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He has been a silly boy by the looks of it, on his first England call up as well .

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Sancho could be the answer for the next 8/ 9 years.

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