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04 Jun 2021 09:08:25
Morning all.
Wondering if any of the EDs can shed any light on Martial leaving this summer please?
For me, he seems the obvious saleable asset to bring in some much needed funds for the essential minimum of four purchases we require this summer.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - There are no plans to sell him.}
1.) 04 Jun 2021 09:30:52
I'd imagine players like Pogba and even DDG would be ahead of Avram's favourite player in line for the exit door.
2.) 04 Jun 2021 10:16:11
If the plan is to keep him, I just don’t understand where he fits in. OGS is obsessed with either Rashford or Pogba on the left, it seems almost certain that Sancho will come in on the right, where Greenwood and the ever-impressive when given the chance Diallo are also good options. Cavani certain to start the big games up top, with Greenwood and Rashford other options through the middle. That’s without mentioning James, Elanga, Shoretire.
Where does Martial play?
3.) 04 Jun 2021 11:43:43
i expect pogba to leave this summer unless Ole wants to shoe-horn him into midfield of play alongside bruno with a CDM like rice / saul in midfield. so we will have martial, rashford, cavani, greenwood, sancho and james as our forward line options - pretty decent if you ask me.
4.) 04 Jun 2021 13:49:48
He is only obsessed with Pogba/ Rash on the left as Martial is unfit a lot. When fit he starts there regularly.
5.) 04 Jun 2021 14:17:56
While I don't think Martial is going to prove good enough to be a long term first choice option. He is still far above any of our other sub options.
If we sign someone like Sancho then our front four will be Bruno, Rashford, Sancho and Cavani.
Greenwood will be the first choice as an attacking sub either wide right or up top.
That leaves Martial, James, Diallo, Pellistri, and Hannibal as other options assuming Mata, Lingard and Andreas Pereira leave this summer.
Most of them are kids with little experience. Considering Cavani will likely pick up several injuries next season it makes little sense to sell Martial.
{Ed077's Note - Martial is on a lot of money to not even be the first choice attacking sub.}
6.) 04 Jun 2021 15:16:15
I can't see anyone stumping up the cash for Martial nor paying his wages. So I don't think he leaves sadly. I would much rather seeing his playing time given to one of the youngsters coming through.
7.) 04 Jun 2021 20:19:00
Martial has been bang average for 80% of his 5 seasons with us. He's not consistent enough. Clearly has talent but its nothing without consistent application.
One of the Eds noted on the City page that United were looking at Kane back in March. That may have cooled now that Cavani has signed but there is 1 or 2 years tops there and likely Edi plays what, 30 of our potential 60 games next season?
We do need another striker but it absolutely is not Martial.
I know it's a pipe dream but Martial + Lingard + cash for Kane would solve 3 problems in one hit!
Dear Baby Jesus .
8.) 04 Jun 2021 21:59:06
Unlike many, I like Martial, and if we didn’t also have Rashford, I’d want to see him kept as LW. However, we do have Rashford at LW, and sadly I don’t think Martial is going to learn the movement and positioning need as a CF, or at least not soon enough to take over from Cavani.
We can’t afford to wait another 2-3 years for him to learn, we need a CF good enough to take over from Cavani by next summer, and right now, Greenwood looks closer to being ready than Martial does.
25 Jan 2020 13:07:04
“Ighalo and Slimani are one of a number of forwards United have enquires about taking on last in the last few days.”
Question is, who are the others in the ‘number’?
Btw - Ighalo’s recent stats are good, wouldn’t be the worst option IMO. Slimani on the other hand 🙈
1.) 25 Jan 2020 22:47:19
He was always scoring for Watford and has a good record in china. He could be a surpringly successful short term goal getter. I don't like the idea of Slimani however.
20 Jan 2020 19:48:57
What are you actually EXPECTING to be the incomings over the next 11 days all?
Not hoping, but EXPECTING.
I still feel we’ll get Bruno, as the Rashford situation will further highlight our lack of goalscorers and force us to pay a little more, whilst I also have a horrid feeling we’ll get some kind of short term fix up front like Llorente.
1.) 20 Jan 2020 20:40:31
just seen on one site we are considering rooney till end of the season. I've heard it all now.
2.) 20 Jan 2020 20:38:40
I'm EXPECTING the club to make all the right noises, leak to the media that they are working hard, complain about players values being too high. And ultimately I'm EXPECTING us to sign No1 and therefore, ole be hung out to dry.
3.) 20 Jan 2020 21:05:43
NIR84 so you're not expecting Fernandes, Soumare and Dembele now followed by Koulibaly, Saul and Sancho in the summer with Poc and a DOF in tow
Oh boo that sucks.
4.) 20 Jan 2020 21:42:35
😂😂😂 Yip next season we will win the quadruple, go unbeaten and amass 100 points.
5.) 20 Jan 2020 21:51:16
Fernandes, bale, Josh king.
6.) 20 Jan 2020 22:33:37
I'm expecting none.
7.) 20 Jan 2020 23:22:37
I saw the suggested possible signings of Soumare, Fernandes and Dembele and would be well pleased with any. All would be incredible but unlikely. None of them top drawer yet but all walk into this team, in my opinion.
8.) 21 Jan 2020 00:47:08
Not a dam thing.
9.) 21 Jan 2020 04:13:37
Bruno will arrive.
I'm expecting the club to push for Cavani or Moussa Dembele, else the season may end in disaster considering we already lack goal scorers in the team.
10.) 21 Jan 2020 07:55:56
Expecting Woodward to finally address the problem in the canteen and upgrade the 4 slice toaster to a 6 slice toaster.
11.) 21 Jan 2020 08:05:36
we won't say anyone.
12.) 21 Jan 2020 09:54:08
Not sure anything will happen, nor should happen if the plan is to replace the manager.
13.) 21 Jan 2020 10:21:16
I expect bruno to come in but maybe we will sit tight and wait for a new coach.
I think if you have ole the Liverpool squad or city squad he would struggle to make top 4 either way.
14.) 21 Jan 2020 10:58:03
I’m not expecting anything.
A deal for Fernandes could be done, but I don’t see us making a sensible offer.
There is a shortage of available strikers, and too many clubs in the market.
I can see Ole making the, ‘we will only bring in the right players’ speech by the start of next month, and being sacked by the end of the season.
Rinse, repeat to another new dawn.
15.) 21 Jan 2020 11:00:40
they don't have a plan. they fly by the seat of their pants. Even if they do change manager do we think that the summer will be some well organised transfer strategy? the excuse then will be that the new manager needed time to assess the squad so we couldn't get players in. there's always a reason for our poor recruitment, not the fact that the people doing the deals are completely imcompetent.
16.) 21 Jan 2020 15:10:56
Ive heard the same thing about the toaster Boyfromburrenway, but apparently Argos want £40 and Ed won't pay more than £25, so the deal has fell through.
17.) 21 Jan 2020 18:26:14
nice one, inhope.
18.) 21 Jan 2020 19:43:05
Expecting at least one signing but also expecting a backlash from fans when we still don't prove to progress as fast as they want. I don't think many fans would be satisfied even if we bought Messi!
19.) 22 Jan 2020 00:23:16
@Salford - no idea what that's based on. The fans just want to see progression as has been promised. As I said at the start of the season we are missing one CAM and one striker / RW. The club has failed to fill those roles. Now those issues are coming to fruition.
I'm not the biggest fan of Solkjaer as a manager, but now is the opportunity for the club to show their intentions. We either purchase players to fill those roles and chase the very attainable fourth spot, or the manager gets held out to dry as there's "no value in the market". I know what my money is on.
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29 Sep 2020 18:33:04
So as of this afternoon we are now doing the following:
1. Signing Sancho.
2. Signing Dembele.
3. Loaning Jovic.
4. Getting Cavani on a free.
5. Finally agreeing the Telles deal.
All in one day. *insert rolling eye emoji here*
Whilst the above would be fantastic, silly season in the press has well and truly started.
{Ed047's Note - 🙄 is here ok? 😉
1.) 29 Sep 2020 20:00:33
Cheers 47! 😂.
23 Sep 2020 06:42:51
Observations from last night:
1. Bailly is undoubtedly our best centre half.
2. Williams is a RB, not a LB.
3. Matic makes us look a lot more balanced.
4. Ighalo looks less mobile every game.
5. Lingard is still a better option than DJ.
1.) 23 Sep 2020 07:03:36
Rash’s goal will have done him the world of good too.
2.) 23 Sep 2020 07:36:57
Downsie53,
I agree Bailky is our best CB. His problem is staying fit. He makes Maguire look very poor when he plays alongside him.
I think Maguire needs to be dropped, along with Lindelof. OgS doesn't have the balls to do that.
3.) 23 Sep 2020 07:37:26
1) Henderson should be given the chance in goal for the next game.
2) Bailly had one of his games where he didn’t lose focus
3) There was no plan or pattern of play obvious
4) Coaching needs to be done on creating space, angles, making yourself available to create the option to receive the ball and move it
5) The forward line was static, coaching needs to be given on how to make runs and break lines in and around the box.
6) The byline has become our enemy. Williams in particular, got one on one with their full back and turned back inside every time. Width and crossing is part of the game and needs to be coached
7) Ighalo looks like he achieved his dream and now doesn’t need to do more.
8) Coaching is needed to move opposition players around, passing for passing sake doesn’t create space, side to side slowly isn’t enough
9) Greenwood is a real talent and looks to have put recent troubles behind him.
{Ed025's Note - i think you should be the next manager red man..
4.) 23 Sep 2020 08:43:42
Mad Hatter - I’m there with you on that. Drop them both.
The issue is who to play with Bailly. Tuanzebe has been injured, Mengi May be ready but that is a lot of pressure on his young shoulders and Smalling looks like he is going out the door.
5.) 23 Sep 2020 08:50:23
Bailly seems to be the best partner for Maguire.
It's all down to his fitness.
Dean Henderson will give Ole something to think about. Amazing save at a crucial time.
Lingard seems to have found his confidence. Was involved throughout the game but nothing spectacular.
Some good flicks and intelligent positioning from VDB, although needs to know the team more to be on the same wavelength.
On to the next game.
6.) 23 Sep 2020 09:45:15
Jesus it was against Luton Town and now Baily is out best centre back. The opinions on here change like the british weather.
7.) 23 Sep 2020 09:46:09
Ed025
I think Shappy is lined up for that 😄.
{Ed025's Note - hes lined up for woodys job red man.. :)
8.) 23 Sep 2020 10:39:13
I was wondering why Ighalo hadn't got 30 minutes or more over the last 4-5 games . until last night . Seemed to be quite a drop of from his all round play since his last outing, didn't look dangerous, no chasing back, first touch was poor.
Please can we sent Matt Judge to transfer talks with a football in his hand and let him say to prospective players "show me if you can take a corner son, see if you can drop it in the box in let's say 6ft x 6ft square before we write a cheque" Pointless our centre backs going up for corners, been the same for 7-8 seasons now. Used to be a thing of beauty seeing Bruce, Stam, Pally, Ferdinand, vidic getting on the end of a corner.
06 Sep 2020 09:10:12
If (big IF I know! ) it were a choice between the two following scenarios over the remaining month of the window, which would you go for and why?
A) we buy Sancho for £108m as our only remaining signing of the summer.
B) we get an experienced RW on loan (Bale/ Costa), plus sign Reguilon, Brooks and a first choice centre half (Upamecano/ Skriniar/ Badiashille) .
Very similar outlays.
1.) 06 Sep 2020 11:35:43
Hi Downsie. I posted something similar a few days ago. There is a possibility that we could also get in Saul for Pogba who would complement Bruno and VdB much better than Paul.
23 Aug 2020 15:04:31
A centre half aside, I genuinely don't believe that our first XI is where the money needs to be spent. Rather than Sancho for £110m, I'd think it far more beneficial to spend say £25m on Ramsey, £30m on Costa, £20m on Lewis and £40m on vdBeek.
Our biggest problem is the drop off in standard from the first XI to literally anyone else in our squad. No wonder OGS doesn't rotate, the squad players are pony. The aforementioned names ahead of Fosu-Mensah, Perreira, Lingard, Mata, James and crew on the bench / rotating with our best XI and we'd have won at least one trophy this season IMO.
1.) 23 Aug 2020 15:36:22
£25m on Ramsey? Are you serious? £30m on Costa ( I'm assuming Douglas Costa from Juventus)? An inconsistent player with some reported attitude issues, getting close to 30 with growing injury issues. NO thank you for me
Also we need a first choice LB. Shaw has never been consistently good and is injured for half the games while Williams is still young and LB doesn't seem to be his most natural position.
2.) 23 Aug 2020 15:52:34
Well he is not on about £30 million on Costa Coffee, unless Shaw likes their cakes?
3.) 23 Aug 2020 16:36:42
We should be eyeing top tier players to compete at the very top.
United are one of the cash rich clubs per Ed002, so we must be flexing our financial muscle and eye top quality players.
Ramsey and Costa are injury prone and would they seriously improve our first XI?
VDB is a good player, but i'm not sure if he will accept squad role.
We ideally need 4 first choice players : DM, CB, RW and LB.
4.) 23 Aug 2020 16:38:19
Downsie i think the drop off in standard is because the (attacking) quality in the first eleven mainly. We don't have two top attacking full backs to provide creativity and we don't have a player as good as Sancho in tight spaces. That compined with our style (? ) of play with us playing at the counter means that oppositions are happy to leave us gaps for our full backs (because they know they can do almost nothing) and are aggressive through the middle pressing the ball in order to not be passed to Bruno and pressing Bruno also. This problem won't be solved having James at squad to rotate with Bruno or VDB to rotate with Pogba. When Bruno struggles James will struggle more, because of his pace. When Pogba struggles VDB will also struggle, maybe less but will struggle. The solution is 3-4 top players for the first team. And that's assuming that the coach is good enough.
5.) 23 Aug 2020 16:59:40
Shaw just managed to shed some weight, don't think getting Ramsey in is a very good idea.
6.) 23 Aug 2020 19:30:22
Why do some posters seem to think we need to only sign first team starters or others think we need to only sign squad players to add depth?
Isn't it obvious that we need a mix of both?
Our first team is strong, but could be improved, and while improving the first 11 will push current starters down the pecking order and improve our depth, we also need to improve depth in areas where improving the first choice is not practical (like CAM) .
7.) 24 Aug 2020 13:46:37
Thorne because that's what we need right now. If i were in Liverpools position i would like 1-2 players for squad roles, but i am not. Some people keep saying our first eleven are good enough, they simply are not. Bying 3 starters means a better first eleven and more squad depth too because some players will go to the "squad role status" such as Matic. So a starter up front like Sancho means we have 4 top players at attack to rotate instead of 3 we have now, a top holding means Matic is a squad player etc. that's the way in the phase we are now.
Above someone said about Bayerns sauad depth.
8.) 24 Aug 2020 13:53:57
I am sorry i put the bottom on a wrong time 😃. Bayern have squad depth but most players where potentially good enough for first eleven. They didn't buy them to go straight in the squad role. They buyed them in the first place to compete with others and play at first eleven, then the better of them are play more often. I think maybe we are the only club wanting to make a big transfer (like Grealish) with a big fee (over 50 millions) for a player that will go straight into the squad role status.
17 Aug 2020 08:40:08
The fullback situation worries me perhaps more than any other position currently.
AWB, Williams and Shaw are fine in tough games where you perhaps don't have the opportunity to get your fullbacks beyond the halfway line, but in games where you are on the front foot, their lack of quality on the ball in horrific. When is the last time any one of them got to the byline and produced some real quality into the box? I'd be interested to see the stats of how many times those three played a backwards pass to a CB/ CM rather than into a forward/ winger this season.
For me, at least one attacking fullback (I'd take Reguillon who played against us last night and seems to be available from RM) should undoubtedly be our no.1 priority over the next month.
1.) 17 Aug 2020 08:56:28
Alex Telles.
Shaw is much better going forward than all of them.
We have a certain Dalot who is not even making squads now, he's good going forward. He has not looked good recently, but you could argue he's either played at LB which is not his natural position or been played very sparingly.
Gomes was a loss, and Dalot too would be a loss as I can see him being a good squad player wherever he goes.
2.) 17 Aug 2020 08:56:58
Because Shaw never puts in a good cross or dribbles his way past two or three players into the penalty area. I agree the others need to seriously improve in that area, AWB needs to start whipping in crosses, but Shaw is solid in that regard, and he has been sorely missed over the past few weeks.
3.) 17 Aug 2020 09:38:44
I've mentioned buying a left footed full back. Williams has looked very good at times this season. Yet he is still learning and I think he is a better RB than LB.
I think he could be a great option to rotate with AWB as Aaron has looked off the pace since the restart, but then only DDG and Maguire have played more games than him. Of which Maguire looks like he is flagging since the restart as well.
Shaw's injuries are an issue, if fit last night I think we win that game. On average he is out injured for around 50% of the season since he joined. A left footed option would give us more balance and allow Williams to cover AWB on the right.
4.) 17 Aug 2020 09:47:02
Agreed, Shappy.
Reguillon? Telles?
I think it needs to be someone ‘first team ready’ rather than the youngsters we’ve been linked with in that position.
5.) 17 Aug 2020 10:04:43
Shaw has something like 7 goal contributions in 5 years in what way is he good going forward he is poor In final third so is awb. Awb looked better going forward at palace.
Its down to coaching. We have the most inexperienced senior coaching squad in carrick mckenna and ole. None of them have ever achieved anything of note yet they ruin the biggest club in the world
This season was a failure those that think we are enjoyable to watch seem to be looking at different matches than me. We are predictable turgent submissive we don't try to dominate possession our full backs don't get to the byline or attack at pace. We don't have any patterns of play we don't have any real identity.
Ole has shown the squad he doesn't trust them.
If it wasn't for the C.V. break we would have not qualified for cl imo.
I cannot think of one practice reason to keep ole carrick or mckenna get rid of them they are a much bigger problem than the players.
Mata has won a EL so has jessie so has bailly so to say we don't have players to win against the European 2nd tier teams is a loaf of bollogoly. Our coach is not up to the job.
That's tje biggest problem with this team. Under achievement. Drastic under achievement.
6.) 17 Aug 2020 10:08:13
Reguillon was a threat the entire game.
We need a similar full back so that we can add that extra dimension to the attack.
My dream choice would be David Alaba who is supposedly looking to leave Bayern.
7.) 17 Aug 2020 10:24:30
Shaw in all the years he's been here has a terrible assist record some can be down to poor finishing but it's something like 7 in 6 years which is just unjustifiable.
8.) 17 Aug 2020 11:51:23
Ken - you've nailed it our coach is not up to the job but in addition his 2nd,3rd in command aren't either!
Carrick good player, not a coach, phelan neither, ogs man manager yes coach no.
The second goal showed how much we need defensive players above sancho this summer. Mcguire didn't mark anyone out of position, victor, looked over his shoulder but never reacted to the threat and awb stood still.
The young williams made an attemt to close down the cross but will no doubt be held accountable by some. Simply not good enough, and to add further misery the scorer was a newcastle reject who struggled to get on the bench never mind start for sevilla!
But if we get sancho for 120m all will be good as he can cross the ball even more to players who can't consistantly finish?
last night showed we are a long way off the mark with 1st eleven, bench/ squad and coaching staff: ed002 has stated numerous times that the club is run by amateurs and it seriously needs remodelling.
04 Jun 2021 10:16:11
If the plan is to keep him, I just don’t understand where he fits in. OGS is obsessed with either Rashford or Pogba on the left, it seems almost certain that Sancho will come in on the right, where Greenwood and the ever-impressive when given the chance Diallo are also good options. Cavani certain to start the big games up top, with Greenwood and Rashford other options through the middle. That’s without mentioning James, Elanga, Shoretire.
Where does Martial play?
04 Jun 2021 09:04:10
Trippier would be excellent for us.
For those games where we play against a 5-4-1 and rely completely on Bruno or Pogba to do something special, Trippier’s delivery would be invaluable.
No brainer IMO.
27 Feb 2021 18:30:12
Trippier would be ideal. Someone who would be preferable against sides where we are going to dominate the ball and would be reasonably cheap.
01 Feb 2021 19:26:22
The problem is that Rashford was looking more and more like a top class LW around Oct/ Nov/ Dec, then we moved him to RW to accommodate Pogba.
Every man, woman and child knows that our best side is EITHER Fred/ McTom alongside Pogba in the middle, with Rashford left, Greenwood right and Bruno playing off of Cavani, yet for some reason we now play Rashford on the right, where he looks like a poor man’s Nani.
13 Jan 2021 17:48:33
Thank goodness TFM has gone. Nothing made me more angry than when we sent him on to ‘save the day’ in the semi vs. Sevilla. Good riddance.
Agreed that Lingard to Villa would be good for both parties. 50m plus Lingard for Grealish. One can dream!
14 Jun 2021 07:54:29
I thought Phillips, Rice and Stones were head and shoulders above everyone else, whilst Mount and Foden played in bursts. Walker and Kane abysmal and the rest bang average.
A 6/ 10 performance but it’s the win that counts!
22 Feb 2021 08:54:10
For me, Martial should be first out of the door in the summer.
Would bring in some decent funds (could see someone like Dortmund/ Inter going for him) but is just the most frustrating player to watch - all the ability but no effort. No bigger insult to fans than watching a playing who obviously can’t be bothered.
01 Feb 2021 19:27:36
Agree on some fronts, but Fred has easily been in our top 5 performers this season.
24 Jan 2021 09:45:55
If we could sell Pog in the summer and put that money towards Grealish (obviously would need to top up the cash gained from selling PP), then signed a CB and RB with the summer budget, I’d be happy.
04 Oct 2020 13:41:42
If Son was fit, he’d absolutely kill our centre halves in the channels and we lose comfortably.
Then fact that he’s not, makes me think it’ll be 2-1 to us.