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21 Nov 2021 23:22:42
Looking at the site it is interesting we see speculation, rumours, hear say etc.
All this creates good banter and frustration along with friendships.
Since SAF retired leaving, an aged team that had managed to land the premiership in a season when all other teams were in transition. We have bounced from manager to manager each having failings but some delivering a trophy or two . In that time we have had one CEO that the owners have been pleased with his funding management . But very poor on the football knowledge front that we all see especially giving Ole and his staff longer contracts .
Too much leaning towards SAF, history and sentiment has distorted decisions and not moving fwd. into today's football technical needs.
Unfortunately the owners do not see this as they very very rarely attend matches so not feeling the football being offered live .
Many rumours of different managers have been offered on this site but realistically I don't think anything will change this season.
Reasons for this are .
New CEO being appointed end of year.
Too costly and difficulty to employ managers from other clubs in mid season.
The option of ZZ is not realistic with wife not wanting to move to Manchester. Plus if PSG job became available he would be gone .
One or two players will possibly move on in Jan on loan but many will remain happy to sit on the bench until contracts are exhausted .
My conclusion is this is MU today on a roller coaster for rest of season Ole is safe until end of season or when 4th place is not possible .
1.) 22 Nov 2021 11:40:03
Hello The Fox, where have you been hiding the last day, OGS is gone ?.
2.) 22 Nov 2021 12:49:21
Erm fox you do know that ole is sacked, must of been on the moon.
3.) 22 Nov 2021 13:52:48
I think you are the only person on the planet who hasn’t heard Fox.
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20 Jan 2025 12:31:24
The fox has written an article entitled, Manchester United Should Go Defensive
30 Apr 2024 14:55:25
On the announcement that all the squad is up for sale except some of the young players that have broken into the first team seems a case of a complete re boot .
Looking at the vast first team squad I see up to 36 players some obviously out on loan .
Contract end dates will be crucial as part of the exercise and previous years have proven difficult to move players on especially when they are on good salaries compared to other clubs but still in contract for a year or more.
I suggest that the exercise falls into three categories if my information is correct
Category A
Contracts or loan finish June 2024 .
Heaton, Evan's, Amrabat, Martial ( at last ) . Suggest at best we obtain £5m for Heaton .
Category B .
Contracts that finish summer 2025.
Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Van-Bissaka, Erickson, Ahmad, Von -Beek, Mctominay, Hannibal, Greenwood . Suggest in the region of best £100m to £130m if all sold this summer .
This is the important category because many at present will attract some sort of fee but if we fail to move on this summer by following year they are able to walk away free!
Category C .
Various contracts that finish between 2026 and 2028!
Salaries range from £20k to £350k a week that includes some young players and then the likes of Casemero, Rashford, Fernandes, Anthony, Mount etc.
Difficult category this one not many clubs will be attracted to match salaries and offer MU the transfer price required .
Obviously some players in category B will possibly be offered one year extensions to try and safe guard the asset.
The new managerial team have a vast task to try and clear suggest up to approx twelve players then recruit possibly four automatic first team players so reducing the squad size.
Additionally as part of the mix the possibility of a new coach / manager with their staff if ETH is seen to run out of time.
What's everyone's view trying to take away any personal grudges on any certain players?
1.) 30 Apr 2024 16:53:58
The fox there has been about a dozen posts not dissimilar to yours.
I think the bulk of them my own included were pretty much aligned with your own.
2.) 30 Apr 2024 17:05:28
How’re you getting £5m for Heaton when he’s out of contract? ?
Category B: barring Greenwood, Erickson and Mctominay all of them would most likely be sold at a loss in terms of PSR limiting the amount that Utd can spend regardless of what they sell for.
Given Utd couldn’t afford to pay the loan fee for Cucurella last season, any losses in terms of PSR sales will mean an even more limited budget this summer.
3.) 30 Apr 2024 17:11:00
The contract ending players will go but we will struggle to move any players on who could bring in decent money as we are already paying them too much.
Hope I’m wrong but think we will be stuck with a lot of them for at least a year or two.
4.) 30 Apr 2024 17:34:26
It's a situation that's been complicated by persistent and long term injuries, which themselves may or may not have contributed to lack of form. For example, would Rashford have been in quite such a bad slump if a fit Shaw and Martinez were operating behind him? Will Mount ever be fit enough to become the player everyone thought he could be, or have we simply bought a Phil Jones dud whose midfield potential, even if he regains match going fitness, has been far surpassed by the likes of Foden, Bellingham etc.
The new management team, with or without ETH, will presumably be limited by FFP in the amount they can spend. So, as much as one would like to see a general clear out, if the fees derived are as minimal and unprofitable as people expect, then the club is going to have to take a gamble on retaining more of the squad than they - and we - would like. They are not going to want to take too many book losses. They're going to have to concentrate on a few key building block purchases.
Whoever is making the decisions this summer, is going to start with their absolute priorities in a 2-3 year rebuilding process. To some extent, departures will have to be determined by the availability of replacements. There's no point in selling Maguire if his replacement is no better. and with Varane and Evans likely gone, retaining Maguire may be a necessity. It may also make business sense, unless a £25m+ offer comes in for him.
I don't think anyone anticipated quite how quickly Casemiro would decline from the player integral to last year's improvements to a slow carthorse this season, but I would imagine the club would love to move him on. It may be impossible given how salty and book value, as it may be with Antony. I don't see them selling Onana this summer either.
We'll see, but I think there's going to be a lot less activity than we or the club would like, and that, rather than the outgoings, it's the incomings that will be key to the rebuilding process.
5.) 30 Apr 2024 17:43:49
Fuser went would they be sold at a loss in cat B?
6.) 30 Apr 2024 18:00:28
Why? #.
7.) 30 Apr 2024 18:01:33
Tom Heaton: 38 years young and out of contract.
Man Utd - he’s yours for £5 million, will we shake on it?
8.) 30 Apr 2024 20:14:32
Keep Hojlund, Garnacho, Mainoo and Dalot for me.
The rest I'm not arsed about.
9.) 30 Apr 2024 22:34:24
Dalot - get rid. An absolute liability. Simply cannot defend. Prone to too many errors.
10.) 30 Apr 2024 22:56:05
Fuser all those should be sold at a profit on their book value with the possible exception of casimero who has problem a value on the books of 30m ish. We may not get7m for vdb which is his approx book value. All should generate a profit.
The homegrown will be 100% profit.
These number are not accurate and are for example / illustration.
If we sold maguire for 30m last year it would have generated a loss after all costs.
We could sell him this year for 20m and make a profit.
11.) 01 May 2024 00:50:56
Tbf tumble, most should be close to it. I just don’t think they have much value. West Ham are only linked with a £15m bid for Maguire. Lindelof, AWB, Amad, DVB are all £10m or less imo. Hannibal, Mctominay and Greenwood are pure profit and so is Erickson since he was signed on a free. Varane is a bit 50/ 50 should at least break even tbf, forgot he was signed back in 21.
12.) 01 May 2024 07:28:21
Strange how you come to that conclusion Jodler.
Dalot has 0 own goals and 0 errors leading to goal this season. He also has a better tackle success than Kyle Walker in a worse defence and over exposed midfield.
13.) 01 May 2024 09:48:07
Fuser varane is out of contract.
14.) 01 May 2024 09:49:05
Kurtis those stats are subjective and not true.
15.) 01 May 2024 09:52:51
Fuser there is huge value in getting the wages off in bit due you understand the psr very well or accounting but there are very good articles in it good read is your into it.
16.) 01 May 2024 10:27:07
I put my hands up and admit I had the wrong filter on for tackle success rate, but Dalot is still only 3% off Kyle Walker, level with Ben White and better than Van Dijk.
17.) 01 May 2024 12:18:49
Tumble I was going by what the OP posted saying his contract expired next year my bad.
18.) 01 May 2024 13:31:11
We had an option to extend for a year fuser. But didn't trigger it.
Big wages so I'm bit surprised. We are not exactly getting a great return for the cost. He is fragile and not available enough imo.
19.) 01 May 2024 14:50:44
and here's me thinking Dalot has probably been Utd's best player this season. He has a great attitude and he is always available. I think he has improved tremendously and at the age of 25 I think he can keep getting better.
20.) 01 May 2024 16:47:27
I'd agree manc.
Defo one of our better players imo this season. Still needs competition imo. the tactics are killing him and leaving him exposed but we'll get a proper manager soon and abandon that nonsense.
22 Apr 2024 12:16:59
The fox has written an article entitled, My Current View On Manchester United
1.) 22 Apr 2024 14:14:44
DLIB has written an article entitled, Manchester United Need A Proper Plan In Place
2.) 22 Apr 2024 18:18:53
I'm pretty sure billionaire SJR didn't become as wealthy and successful as he is going into big decisions without a plan. So don't worry or fret, there will be a plan. In fact, I'm quite sure there is one in place already.
Then it begs the question will you agree with the plan he has Dlib? I doubt that bee very much. What on earth would lead you to think that there will be no plan from SJR, DLIB?
3.) 22 Apr 2024 19:29:07
There will be elements of their plan we all won't agree with somewhere along the line be it coach manager stadium investment but they are now in charge and they are not only our best hope but our only hope for the foreseeable future.
I'm as anxious as anybody to get an understanding of what the immediate future holds for the squad and fotball side.
But I also understand that it's going to take months to have the full structure in place. Hopefully by July things will become a little clearer.
I see people's concerns and frustrations because we comment and speculate on what we know.
But it's what we don't know that will drive lots of those situations. Leads to frustration and concern for some, in fact for most of us I think.
Should be great craic this summer I'd wager that between know and 31st Aug next year there will be over 80 players linked with us and 10 possible coaches. ?
Liverpool bayern Barcelona juve all looking at changing managers.
Possibly ourselves and Chelsea West ham Brighton England? Germany?
Lots of clubs need work on their squads and not too many clubs are flush with funds.
So whatever plans we have has to take the current market until account.
02 Nov 2023 10:03:17
Hi to all suffering MU fans like myself.
Decided to look realistically at results over last season and one obvious startling aspect is we can't score goals .
Last season I am sure we would have been in the same position as we are now had it not been for Rashford covering the cracks, unfortunately sadly missing this year and expectations on a new 20 year old CF is too great .
The question from last season and this, is it poor tactics for us not to dominate games creating many scoring chances?
Do not remember any thrashing's of any team last season our defense was spot on that created wins by the odd goal with at times a lot of luck.
We fall back to questions over players capability that reverts back to poor transfer decisions .
Tactics versus players capability and acceptance of managers requirements.
The final big question is obviously team spirit and togetherness from owners all the way down to players that is drastically missing .
One positive note manager has brought some discipline into squad that obviously shone the light on some players throwing teddy bears out of prams.
How ever has this caused many of the squad to be against these rules only showing it on the pitch by playing for themselves and not to managers tactics?
Basically I am not surprised where we are cracks were covered over last season ?
Suggest a new manger like the past would have short improvement than we would be back to square one .
Best example is Martial survived all managers so far and fails to perform but is still here!
But we can't afford another manager and with the possible part takeover it's not going to happen.
We have to accept ETH is here for this season but what a big hole to dig out of !
Finally nothing will change until management above manger and coaches is completely restructured with experienced knowledgeable football proven experts that have a footballing strategy for the whole club .
1.) 02 Nov 2023 10:33:04
Goal difference 21/ 22 season, exactly zero. good 22/ 23 season, just 15. good so far 23/ 24 season, -5
We don't create chances, we don't score goals.
2.) 02 Nov 2023 11:09:58
I remember watching an interview with Sam Allardyce many moons ago when he was doing well with Bolton. He went into detail out playing the percentages and drilled into the players POMO (point of maximum opportunity) . Now the stats may have changed in 25 odd years but the majority of goals are scored from crosses or balls out wide into the box. He hated players shooting from long distances as the data shows you're more than likely going to miss. I think he fined his players like 50 quid if they shot from outside the box and missed.
Pep talked about building a successful team. He said in its simplest terms "just sign players who don't give the ball away". Haalands second goal on the weekend where he hangs at the back post for a free header after the ball is worked out wide, City have been scoring this type of goal since Pep arrived. If it wasn't Sterling popping up for a tap in it was Mahrez or Gundogan etc.
Long story short is we don't do things that point to any sort of plan. The majority of the team are not comfortable with that ball in tight spaces. How many times do you see Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire etc just launch the ball into the channels to no one?
Our midfielders are incredibly wasteful too. I can't remember the last time we dominated the midfield by controlling possession. Our maverick in Bruno is wasteful because he tries the killer ball so often, I can live with that at times, but not every time you have the ball. In the City game the ball was rolled to his feet about 20 yards from goal and tries some flick that went straight to a defender.
Our wide players bar Garnacho don't actually know how to be wingers. Rashfords lack of work rate and his ability to just run down blind alleys is infuriating. Anthony's inability to beat a man and consistently play the ball back centrally means it's ridiculously hard to break down a low block. So you're left with a lonely Hojlund making run after run not knowing when a ball might come in.
We are a team that plays against themselves first and foremost. Our full backs get into good positions only to play the ball back in field and narrow the play. Our inverted wingers only have eyes for goal but statistically only terrorise the poor fans behind the goal.
We defend like we're an ultra attacking team, we attack like we're ultra defensive. A bunch of players who consistently make the wrong decisions on the pitch game after game, manager after manager and like the club off the pitch, these things catch up on you eventually.
Long story short, get big Sam in for some training in the art of POMO.
3.) 02 Nov 2023 11:29:52
Jeez
I spent all summer banging on about this problem based on last season, about how important scoring goals was and what we needed to do. As usual told I talked nonsense.
I have posted for many weeks about how we don’t cross a ball and it appears a tactical decision. Spoken about how we don’t manipulate full backs, create space. I said how one striker wasn’t enough. I said we have a 6ft 3 forward and don’t cross to him.
It’s is biting us on the backside, our manager must have thought only one inexperienced forward was what was needed, so tactically this has to fall on him. How many times a game do we get in a crossing position and recycle.
It’s a mess of ETH own creation and I don’t think the players believe in it either.
4.) 02 Nov 2023 11:47:56
Creative players need to be given the opportunity to try and fail, but nothing's coming off for ours atm. Get Neto in while we're at it, one of the top performing players in the league right now in terms of scoring and creating.
If they do remove ten Hag, we'd probably end up in a caretaker manager scenario again. Would love to see the likes of Keane or Neville come in and see if they can do any better.
5.) 02 Nov 2023 11:57:20
Spenno
LOL Keane will Murder so many players in this squad. They would not do well with him. Neville's track record as a manger is very poor. Might as well give it to someone like Scholes but not sure he even has coaching badges.
6.) 02 Nov 2023 12:04:08
Redman
Whys is it a mess of his own creation and please don't start with the Kane debate. Please explain what we should have done.
7.) 02 Nov 2023 12:06:27
We all know goalscoring has been an issue for a while, mainly it seems we are not clinical enough in front of goal.
The difference this season is the normally decent defence has collapsed, from the DM back to the CB.
8.) 02 Nov 2023 12:11:39
Good post Mumbles!
Red Man - EtH is struggling but these players are a disgrace.
Do you honestly believe that if EtH played Rashford on the RW and asked him to cross the ball for Hojlund he’d actually do it?!
He might for a couple of games but then he’d start moaning that he wants to play on the left so he can cut in side to shoot and score more goals! He’d complain that he doesn’t like playing on the right and crossing the ball is hindering his natural game and goal scoring stats.
I agree it’s perverse to sign a CF and then not provide them with any service but these players are a joke. They are only interested in themselves, protecting their own interest and brands!
Look at Maguire for example, he came out on International duty and actually quoted his own win percentage! “My record under EtH speaks for itself. I haven’t started as many games as I’d like but my win percentage when I’ve played is ridiculously high” This win percentage nonsense is obviously carefully manipulated to suit his own agenda and in no way represented the entire truth. He conveniently omitted all the context. Well he’s started against two decent teams and we’ve shipped 6 games without reply on home turf. This is the mentality of these players, this is a former captain of the Club. This is a player that refused to leave in the summer because he wanted a pay off. Some may argue that he was entitled to that money but here’s a player that was happy to sit on the bench at Man Utd rather than play football. We want players that love the Club, that are self aware with elite mentality. Is any surprised we got hammered against City with Maguire and Evans at CB. Is anyone surprised we got hammed against Newcastle with Maguire and Lindelof at CB. We’ve been getting hammered with Maguire and Lindelof for years!
I say no manager can get a tune out of these players. Short term bounce, maybe, but we’ll eventually find their level again. I’d sell every single player before I’d sack EtH. This is just another example of the players again turning on yet another manager!
9.) 02 Nov 2023 12:25:56
Redman who told you that you were talking nonsense when you said goal scoring was an issue?
I can't think of one person who didn't think that was the case.
I can't think of anybody who thought we scored enough goals and didn't need a cf.
Don't know of anybody that wanted to keep martial as back up. You do know we tried to get rid of him in order to bring in another. Buts its not quite as simple as that.
The planning all summer was flawed not sure who takes the responsibility for that.
10.) 02 Nov 2023 12:26:54
We have played Rashy on the right a few times in recent games to accommodate Garnacho. He had a few one on ones too, but flunked them. Just not his natural position.
11.) 02 Nov 2023 12:38:47
It's a good point DLIB about a new manager getting a different tune out of these players, I agree and I don't think they would long term.
Just taking City as another example as they're winning everything. Pep has often been criticised for his some what mechanical build up play, when going back to his Barcelona days. The constant merry-go-round of passing until they find the right moment to pounce can be quite boring as it's so efficient.
Players are human and will resort to muscle memory. Managers like Pep do drill after drill after drill so as a player you don't have to think what to do next, it's instinctual.
Our players have those instincts too but unfortunately for us, they're very bad habits to get into to. Like you said, Rashford just wants to cut inside, Anthony will get as far down the wing as possible, cut back in and play the ball centrally. Bruno will try a Hail Mary Hollywood pass because that's what they're used to.
When these players are pressed or in trouble on the pitch they resort to these instincts, normally its counterintuitive to actually scoring goals.
12.) 02 Nov 2023 13:37:57
Repetition Repetition Repetition.
But you have to be open to learning and working hard. You need to want to learn. You need to be open to being thought and be want to move out of your comfort zone.
Some is eth at fault more is the players at fault imo.
These players at not good at so many things. They are only interested in themselves.
No manager will turn this kit into a team.
Structure 1st
Firewall 2nd
Manager will be addressed in time but the other 2 need to be addressed 1st imo or else you are putting the horse before the cart.
13.) 02 Nov 2023 14:16:55
Goalscoring has become more of a problem as the standard of footballers in the EPL has increased.
The problem is that our players lack the technical skills, and tactical intelligence to play through teams.
They cannot receive the ball in tight spaces without giving it away. They cannot move the ball quickly because they don't have the skills to play one touch football or the intelligence to know where to play the ball before receiving it.
It means we are slow and latheragic in build up play. That gives time for the opposition to get back in shape or no reason to step out of shape in the first place.
Patterns of play etc are pointless without the ability to move the ball quickly and efficiently. The plan might be to move the ball from player A to player B to create space for Player C to move into to receive the ball either between the lines or behind the opposition.
But if you move the ball too slowly then the space will never open up. Which means by the time player B has the ball and is ready to make the pass to player C the space isn't there and instead they have to play another backwards or sideways pass.
Does that sound familiar, slow inane sideways and backwards passing?
Isn't that the issue LvG had, and Jose, and Ole, and Ralf and the same issue with EtH?
It's not that these managers don't know how to coach these patterns of play, or a specific style of play. It's that these players cannot play that way to a high enough standard because they simply aren't good enough.
Which is why every manager has ended up relying on individuals doing something to open up teams and create chances. Which puts them at the mercy of those players form.
The standard of players and particularly the coaching in the EPL is at an all time high. That means teams are better technically and tactically. They defend better as a team and are have higher quality individuals in their teams. That makes it much harder to open them up with a bit of individual skill. Especially if they know that is the only way you can create chances against them. We are easy to defend against because we are tactically limited and predictable.
That won't change until we have better players right throughout the team, not just in forward areas. Højlund is a good player added to the forward area, but it could have been Kane or anyone else. If you can't get the ball to those players at the right time in the right spaces then their impact is severely limited. That means more technically and tactically gifted midfielders and defenders.
Quite simply any player in your side who can't control the ball in tight spaces, be press resistant, play with their head up, one touch passing etc then they bring the ability of the whole side down.
A team is like a heard, only as quick as it's slowest member, and the predictors will target the weakest. That's where your patterns of play breakdown, that's where you lose the ball, that's where the defensive issues you have to deal with stem from.
That's why it's about more than just having 11 great players. Why you need a whole squad because every time you play a weaker player you bring down the quality of the whole team and not just one position.
Which is why when we are having to play 4th or 5th choice options in some positions why we look so absolutely god awful. The fact that we have 4 or 5 players starting who aren't first choice just absolutely decimates the quality of the team as a whole.
14.) 02 Nov 2023 17:00:45
I don't like getting blown away at home off city, it shouldn't be quite that easy to beat us, but to be fair I've seen them do it to way better teams than us .
However we were blown away at home again last night, not off city, it was newcastle, it was newcastle though without numerous players, too many to list .
They rocked up and thought, the 5th and 6th choice Centre backs will be just fine for this game as will a load of others who rarely play .
They looked together, well coached hard to beat and with a plan of attack.
Its easy to say a manager duznt have the right tools to work with, theirs had dummet and kraft at centre back but we rarely lay a glove on them and made them look like Beckenbauer and Bobby Moore.
There may be lots of factors why we are as bad as we are at the moment but they shouldn't be an excuse as to why on the actual pitch it looks like unorganised nothingness.
15.) 02 Nov 2023 17:31:47
I lost you at 'suffering'.
Take a look around the world, and still tell me you are 'suffering' because a group of overpaid hacks are not providing you with the entertainment you have become accustomed to.
Humanity is knackered if you truly are suffering from this rubbishshow that is Manchester United.
Have some perspective people.
15 Oct 2023 10:32:00
Here we are Oct 23 eleven months after owners declared they needed to raise external cash injection or full sale of club.
It's obvious now the aim was to hold on to ownership unless an offer possibly doubling what actually the club is worth.
I am a simple man and my understanding is that if SJR is granted 25% to purchase shares from the glazers and open market funds are raised .
But where do these funds go?
From the open market automatically goes to the owners of the shares so lost to the club.
The money to Glazers is able go into the club!
My understanding is that club over the years has gained value and the shares still owned by the Glazers are worth far more then when purchased thus not a cash loss to them.
They will still obtain dividends on an annual basis .
SJR is a proven clever business man so what ever deal he lands will be positive for his company and club.
But what sort of mess does he join with the media predicted 25% especially from his statement a few years back that he would not invest in MU when the management waste funds on some bad transfers.!
The whole club in reality seems in limbo or dare I say on a gradual spiral down .
Will SJR want changes in the UK management team?
Owners I don't think have visited in over five years because of demonstrations by fans that want desperately Glazers to leave .
Stadium and training ground planned improvements shelved.
Local management handling of the Anthony and Greenwood situations causing staff issues.
Stadium with leaking roof, toilets overflow 90s style amenities has now removed it from international selection that was once second choice to Wembley!
Resorted to having to obtain loaned players because of poor management of previous contracts and transfers so limiting situation because of FFP.
Recruited unreliable aging players because of injury or inconsistency on long term expensive contracts .
Now over £1billion in debt. Increasing on a daily basis.
Second highest net transfer spend to Chelsea in the last five years .
The U21 team sits in bottom half of league where once we were always near top.
Several managers have passed thro the door leading to a theory that it does not matter what top manager comes in they will struggle with management who are unable to plan long term.
The good news is the women's team in this time have progressed and are now a force to be recognized.
Some task to sort if you only have 25% ownership when you are used to having top proven business people around you that brings success .
1.) 15 Oct 2023 12:46:59
A full sale and and an injection of capital was needed. As you said, the club has been slowly rotting for a long time from the inside out. Iv written at length about Sir Jim's intentions and the continuation of feeding our debt.
Jim has played the only hand he had. He can't go toe to toe with Qatar with wealth so he's getting into bed with the Glazers.
Red Man was commenting further down that this could get toxic very quickly and I wholeheartedly agree. If Ratcliffe comes onto the board and nothing changes, then he'll lose whatever support he has for when he tries to purchase a full stake in the club.
The main issues here are the Glazers won't invest a single penny of their own money into the club. As a club we're leveraged up to the gills. With Jim on board we don't have a lot a maneuverability in terms of finances, so here are my major concerns.
Will we just continue to service the interest payments on the mountain of debt?
Will Jim be willing to put his own money into the club whilst he only owns 25%?
Is there an agreement in place to purchase the remainder of stock and a future date?
And sporting decisions. The club needs a vision from the top down and the Glazers just aren't in any way capable of emplying people who make sporting decisions first.
A full sale was desperately needed. We're now going to possibly have many different figures arguing about the direction of the club.
It's incredibly disappointing to not have the shackles taken off the club, but even with all my concerns, Rathcliffe is not better than the Qataris, but he his better than an investment fund/ vulture fund acquiring a stake in us.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt because if he does come in, he'll want the fans onside quick which can only be good news for the club.
2.) 15 Oct 2023 13:16:34
Good posts Mumbles and The fox.
3.) 15 Oct 2023 14:13:08
Said all along SJR would be a nightmare because he not got enough money, now it’s 10 times worse if he only buys 25% because he only sees it as a cheap marketing vehicle for the Ineos brand no other reason at all.
Anyone who thinks any of his 1.5 billion purchase will be put into the club from the Glazers is beyond cuckoo that will be for the glazers alone, they will have earned good money since original purchase outlay and still have the majority of the club in shares, that’s fantastic business on there part, they are not as silly as they look! SJR knows 25% is not any good, but is very cheap worldwide marketing tool, so that’s an investment on Ineos side hence why he always wanted a EPL club he don’t really care who it was just that united is the biggest marketing tool and can play the supporter card too…
Better the devil you know, now if this goes ahead could have 2 devils, lots of infighting and the club in the middle, it’s a terrible day if this does happen, a total nightmare and S…storm brewing.
4.) 15 Oct 2023 14:26:01
To be fair the under 21s aren't doing as well because a good few of the young players are in the senior squad playing. which is the main target of the under 21s.
5.) 15 Oct 2023 23:45:03
Sad times,
What do you mean he’s not got enough money? He’s worth £28b and is the richest man in the uk.
6.) 16 Oct 2023 07:03:31
GDS
Assets at £28bn, but it’s important to understand if are they liquid assets or how easily enough money can be realised quickly. Why is he utilising Ineos, is many billions of his wealth his shareholding in his company, that if he realises he loses control. Liquidity is important here.
7.) 16 Oct 2023 07:12:36
GDS2. Exactly what I said he does not have enough money, clearly you just looked at the times rich list and for your information he is 2nd richest supposedly in U. K., but the times figure you are looking at is share prices of the company stock held, which would plummet like a stone in any large sell off, plus would have huge amounts of debt on that figure, his personal wealth is 5-6 billion reportedly. Clearly business figures are not your strong point!
But 1.4 billion is very cheap for the marketing power for the Ineos brand around the world, everyone knows Man Utd not everybody knows Ineos plus the buying 1.4 billion which will probably be serviced by loans and not from his personal wealth.
Then you get the problems of sabre rattling when 2 big companies have different ideas and public will probably back SJR even if he is totally wrong because the Glazers are hated, it will be a total shambles, but the Glazers will be happy they have there initial investment back with interest, they still own majority and loan repayments are serviced by the club, they don’t have nothing really to lose, great business by them!
8.) 16 Oct 2023 07:54:44
Great piece of business by the glazers. Its a good outcome for the club also in my opinion.
9.) 16 Oct 2023 07:59:49
Redman
Are you saying someone, who is worth 28, probably more as they never get these things right, cannot put together an additional 2 bill. You hatred for the glazers clouds any clear thinking and you want to convince yourself and others of all the negatives. Elon Musk sold over 25 bill of tesla stock last year. God knows how much Bezos has sold over the years or gates or any owners of major stocks in publicly listed companies.
Ineos is a major owner of sporting franchises and its a vertical in their business. This is not some personal vanity project for him. This is very serious guy reading what's out there by people who have dealt with him and extremely successful and self made. In contrast the glazers who are living off what their dad built and incompetent imo.
Even the supporters trust are asking for clarifications before saying anything. Its unfortunate you have decided to wash your hands off this even before the guy gets involved.
I am optimistic and believe this is the beginning of the end for the glazers and you get a local guy who grew up in the area and supported the club take control. Maybe in a few years people will look at it as united staying true to its ethos and being state owned is not for us.
I don't understand people questioning SJR ability to bring positive change even before he gets involved when no one questions the qualifications of the Qatari investor besides being able to write a check.
Finally when people talk about glazers being greedy its an emotional reaction imo and most who owns a business and were looking at selling or diluting would be doing the same whether we like it or not.
My own experience when selling a business like this, you hire external parties, who are special-ist in your sector to provide a valuation for the business and not some internal head in the Cloud number. Sheikh Jasem never agreed/ met the valuation and SJR did, that's all and we move on.
10.) 16 Oct 2023 08:30:22
Perhaps if SJ had offers to buy 69% instead of a 100% he may have bought the club.
11.) 16 Oct 2023 11:52:54
Oh god sad times is Maze again isn’t it, should have known. Getting silly now.
12.) 16 Oct 2023 15:54:55
A great post ahmad.
07 Oct 2024 09:40:16
The bench said it all yesterday over £300m sat on the bench that ETH overseen to come to MU but not now good enough to get into the team?
02 May 2024 08:31:21
It seems sancho has got his mojo back so it makes you think what potential talent MU have at present in strikers Rashford, Garnacho, Greenwood, Hojlund, Sancho possibly as good as you get in the premier or Europe.
Zero cost to MU in transfer market over the next five plus or more years for strikers if individuals had been managed properly!
11 Mar 2024 08:33:35
Agree with many of the comments above that basically provides a true picture of the status of the team and structure over the past decade at MU.
Unfortunately one major issue that has limited squad revamp after so many changes in managers and coaching staff is salaries compared to other teams.
MU even have to subsidize salaries if the player goes out on loan!
Unlike Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool it’s much more difficult to move failed players on because of the stupid high salaries and long contracts MU have handed out to players.
How many of us would move to another company for half the salary if you have a long term contract especially if you are at the end of your career?
Obviously this problem has been caused by the structure behind the manager and some poor selection of players transferred in.
Let’s have patience and hope the new structure over the next few seasons will sort this issue even if means buying some contracts to clear the decks.
20 Jan 2024 11:37:21
How many times has Martial been injured during transfer window so no surprise he is injured again!
03 Dec 2023 09:18:33
I totally agree and beginning to question recent transfer selections coupled with tactics and coaching going forward . All we hear is we are in a process but Aston Villa, Spurs and Brighton have had less time with new managers and spent less money!