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21 Nov 2021 23:22:42
Looking at the site it is interesting we see speculation, rumours, hear say etc.
All this creates good banter and frustration along with friendships.

Since SAF retired leaving, an aged team that had managed to land the premiership in a season when all other teams were in transition. We have bounced from manager to manager each having failings but some delivering a trophy or two . In that time we have had one CEO that the owners have been pleased with his funding management . But very poor on the football knowledge front that we all see especially giving Ole and his staff longer contracts .
Too much leaning towards SAF, history and sentiment has distorted decisions and not moving fwd. into today's football technical needs.
Unfortunately the owners do not see this as they very very rarely attend matches so not feeling the football being offered live .

Many rumours of different managers have been offered on this site but realistically I don't think anything will change this season.
Reasons for this are .
New CEO being appointed end of year.
Too costly and difficulty to employ managers from other clubs in mid season.
The option of ZZ is not realistic with wife not wanting to move to Manchester. Plus if PSG job became available he would be gone .

One or two players will possibly move on in Jan on loan but many will remain happy to sit on the bench until contracts are exhausted .

My conclusion is this is MU today on a roller coaster for rest of season Ole is safe until end of season or when 4th place is not possible .

The fox

1.) 22 Nov 2021 11:40:03
Hello The Fox, where have you been hiding the last day, OGS is gone ?.


2.) 22 Nov 2021 12:49:21
Erm fox you do know that ole is sacked, must of been on the moon.


3.) 22 Nov 2021 13:52:48
I think you are the only person on the planet who hasn’t heard Fox.


 

 

 

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14 Nov 2021 14:22:16
If I were an owner of a business obviously questions would be asked to my staff.
Wage bill is the highest in the premier at £226m being £46m more then Chelsea being the next .
We will be letting Paul Pogba go free again after spending £80m on a poor return on asset investment.
Two players are sat on the bench after investing £110m in these assets with no production from them .
In business the people responsible for these poor investments would be removed .
But this is MU money seems is able to be thrown around as long as share holders have dividends each year !

The fox

1.) 14 Nov 2021 14:38:56
But our owners are absent. They only care about their dividends. The bumper price they got for their shares after the Ronaldo signing means they are very happy with everything at United right now.


2.) 14 Nov 2021 15:09:49
They don't have anything to do with the football shappy. It's the people that run the footballing side that need to be kicked up the backside.

I'm sure they are not "very happy" with the situation. But they will have taken advice and they will be letting their people in charge do their job.


3.) 14 Nov 2021 16:34:41
Angel, they have no interest in the club and are detached from it.

If the club is run poorly because they don't hire the right people to run the club then whose fault is that? Where does the buck stop?


4.) 14 Nov 2021 20:13:00
Fair point re our new assets not being deployed. Strange set up from the financials:

Fred - cost £50m - Non league level player at times but the heart of our midfield

Van de Beek - cost £40m - Never given a chance despite easily being way ahead of the likes of Fred on paper (different positions accepted)

Sancho - cost £73m - Played handful of times despite being 'the next boy wonder'

Somebody make it make sense!

As for £89m Pogba - Fergie has clearly been proved right on that one.


5.) 14 Nov 2021 20:25:23
I would go as far as saying for first 11 Chelsea would be nowhere near us, take into account their loan system and we are by far and large the highest wages.


6.) 14 Nov 2021 21:04:58
We keep saying the Glazer's know nothing about football but they have owned United for 17 years now, they should know something about how to run a club.
You can't own a business for that long and total rely on other people, its poor business practice at best and neglect at worst.


7.) 14 Nov 2021 23:02:48
Shappy, how do you know that in all fairness?


8.) 15 Nov 2021 08:27:55
Angel, it's pretty obvious the Clive the janitor didn't hire Ed Woodward.

Ed worked on and aided the Glazers leveraged buyout. For his help he was given the top job at the club.

That isn't hiring the best person for a specific role. But putting a mate in charge.

The fact that we have Ed Woodward running the club like a trust fund is entirely the Glazers fault.

The Glazers have rarely visited Old Trafford or even England. Joel Glazer is the only one who has any sort of even semi-regular contact.


9.) 15 Nov 2021 14:41:18
Shappy, you're a guessing merchant who hasn't a clue about anything in regards to how the club is run.

It's all opinion, and that's fine but you run it off like fact when it is not.


 

 

30 Oct 2021 10:28:58
Question to all
Do you think five substitutes helped ole last season?
If tactically we were wrong plenty to substitute without risk when you have only three. Many teams in premier do not have depth we have .
But against this obviously ole did not use substitutes in Europa final!,

The fox.

The fox

1.) 30 Oct 2021 10:39:27
So, with the game today providing what could be the make or break on Oles future position. Who here thinks he will have the stones to make changes to the team?

Also, if you were in his position, what would your line up be for today?


2.) 30 Oct 2021 12:07:01
He hardly used 5 subs, then complained that other clubs voted against 5 subs.


3.) 30 Oct 2021 12:38:41
Even if he does make the changes (unlikely) there are no guarantees any of his subs are going to hit the ground running because most of them haven't played for quite some time now.


4.) 30 Oct 2021 13:27:55
Unfortunately Ole is beyond help.


5.) 30 Oct 2021 14:40:39
If I was Ole I'd probably start with this line up

DDG
Dalot
Lindelof
Varane
Telles
Matic
VDB
Jesse
Sancho
Rashford
Cavani.


6.) 30 Oct 2021 14:52:18
I'd play Ronaldo rest rashford for midweek and city I'd also drop lindelof for bailly personally.
Rash just coming back so no drama there and so I'd play cavan wide.
Its hard to know what ogs will do. I doubt he will drop maguire but we have to wait and see.


 

 

30 Oct 2021 10:24:18
Let's try and shift the focus on who will be next manager or not it's becoming boring!

During the last few years have seen a change in the transfer market more towards loans .
But now are we moving towards free transfers when contracts finish?
Top expensive players moving to teams they fancy for nothing in 2022.
Kylian Mbappe PSG to Real Mardrid?
Paul Pogba. MU to Real Madrid?
Franck Fessie to Real Madrid?

Yes I know but this is reality all teams have to pay for is salary so inflating players income!
What are your thoughts?

The Fox.

The fox

1.) 30 Oct 2021 15:18:33
Conte has all the experience.
Ten Haag is the next best option.


 

 

28 Oct 2021 08:20:44
Hi everyone .
Let's just take a step back and breath!
We all seem to say what's gone wrong since SAF retired with bad board decisions for managers player investment etc.
I believe SAF was arguably the greatest manager in the premier history .
But the rot in truth had set in a couple of years prior to SAF retirement . We did not invest in an ageing team, statements from SAF was transfer market was over valued!

MU did not grasp the reality of other clubs able to purchase the so called over inflated prices. Remember the last season all the other top teams were in transition, that team that won the league in SAF last season would have struggled to gain top four now.

So what's happened after spend on average £100 m net each year on transfers.
Many managers failing having torn inherited teams apart then being shown the door with a nice pay packet.

Olli is not the answer but presently difficult to find an available alternative that is able to be seen as a club long term person.
I am sure tentative discussions will be undertaken to see what options is possible after this season for a proven manager and coaching team .
Olli is here for the season hold on to your seats and strap in, players will be ejected in Jan if they don't accept this .

The fox

1.) 28 Oct 2021 09:03:16
1) Why does the club and some supporters cling on to the desire to have a long term manager? Chelsea model works every bit as well. It is sentimental memories of Busby and SAF and it holds the club back from both winning things and moving forward
2) if the club wish to write off the season to support Ole, that is just madness and will destroy the image of the club. The fact is they were not willing to do it for LVG or Mourinho who won trophies so it would just prove exactly what we say, they are running the club on emotion and sentiment. There can be no other reason to support Ole.


2.) 28 Oct 2021 09:21:20
I used to think the same way about long term manager but I look at it a bit differently now. We all laughed at Chelsea when Abramovich came in sacked managers left and right which was ok while we had a top manager in SAF but now we dont.

What Abramovich wants is success, same with the companies he owns, do your job or you are out. RM, Barca do it (Koeman last night) B munich won't put up with failure either. In recent seasons Leicester sacked their manager after most succesful period in history, Wolves did the same and I imagine Newcastle will go through a few now even with money if their owners want success.

Just like appointing a CEO at a top company we bring a new manager in tell him we want success, we've got huge resources, we want attractive football incorporating youth and expect silverware, jobs safe as long as you do that if not you are gone.


3.) 28 Oct 2021 09:30:41
The era of the Fergie type long-term manager is gone, however it should be remembered that two of the longest serving managers in the Premier League are Klopp and Pep. The longest is Dyche if you are wondering.


4.) 28 Oct 2021 10:25:15
Grim

If they come in do well then keep them, however, we seem obsessed, not with quality, but longevity.


5.) 28 Oct 2021 11:03:15
Red Man, Chelsea are totally different as they consistently have a good team. For us to do what they do, we'd initially need a better structure in place above he manager so that any change happens smoothly. As it stands, a long term manager is better for United as able to build a team to suit his style of play and patch up when needed. I can imagine any manager coming to United would need to shift and acquire several players. Any decent coach could walk into Chelsea and do something with their team, and that's been the case for years.


6.) 28 Oct 2021 11:03:28
The reality is you plan for a manager to stay as long as the contract you give them. If they have a 3 year deal, then expect them to stay 3 years. Why plan for a manager to still be at the club 7 years after his contract has expired.

That's not to say that we won't or can't have a long term manager, but that it should be based on the fact that they keep performing well.

I can't imagine Abramovich would sack a manager who is winning titles and continuing to do well just because they have been there for three years already.

The difference between United and Chelsea is they are set up to operate in the manner of regularly changing managers.

Managers aren't considered dictators who come in and change whatever they see fit to suit them. They are closer to being a head coach than what we would call a traditional manager.

Chelsea have a DoF who oversees a large part of what would have been traditionally part of the managers job. They have a scouting department that works independently of the manager who has a say in what they want/ need from a new player but don't get to dictate they want this guy or that guy because they have worked with them before etc.

The profile of player that Chelsea bring in is dependent on the balance of the squad and not on the managers wishes. If the manager wants a more experienced player but the squad is on the old side already then they sign a younger player with the right skillset to keep the squad balanced.

All of this means you can eject a manager at a seconds notice and bring someone else in if needed. Simply because you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

We are still trying to run the club in the same manner it was run under Sir Alex, with the managers having too much power. Remember when LvG came in and demanded that every level in the academy plays the same style as the first team. While not a terrible idea, allowing the manager to dictate how kids are being trained in the academy when they are 5-8 years away from the first team and where the manager was never going to still be in charge at that time was madness.

LvG at the age of 63 was dictating to 10 year olds how to play to fit into his style of play when he would have been between 70-73 years old by the time they are breaking through into the first team. There was never any chance he or his style of play would still have been used when they broke through.

The idea of a unified style of play is a good idea in principle, but it can't be set by a guy who'll likely be gone in a few years time.

Until we set up the club to be able to run in a manner that doesn't mean the manager becomes entrenched in the club and vice versa then we will never be able to just simply change managers without having to start another huge rebuild every 2-3 years.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea do not, and have not for some time, have a Director of Football.}


7.) 28 Oct 2021 11:04:02
The reality is you plan for a manager to stay as long as the contract you give them. If they have a 3 year deal, then expect them to stay 3 years. Why plan for a manager to still be at the club 7 years after his contract has expired.

That's not to say that we won't or can't have a long term manager, but that it should be based on the fact that they keep performing well.

I can't imagine Abramovich would sack a manager who is winning titles and continuing to do well just because they have been there for three years already.

The difference between United and Chelsea is they are set up to operate in the manner of regularly changing managers.

Managers aren't considered dictators who come in and change whatever they see fit to suit them. They are closer to being a head coach than what we would call a traditional manager.

Chelsea have a DoF who oversees a large part of what would have been traditionally part of the managers job. They have a scouting department that works independently of the manager who has a say in what they want/ need from a new player but don't get to dictate they want this guy or that guy because they have worked with them before etc.

The profile of player that Chelsea bring in is dependent on the balance of the squad and not on the managers wishes. If the manager wants a more experienced player but the squad is on the old side already then they sign a younger player with the right skillset to keep the squad balanced.

All of this means you can eject a manager at a seconds notice and bring someone else in if needed. Simply because you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

We are still trying to run the club in the same manner it was run under Sir Alex, with the managers having too much power. Remember when LvG came in and demanded that every level in the academy plays the same style as the first team. While not a terrible idea, allowing the manager to dictate how kids are being trained in the academy when they are 5-8 years away from the first team and where the manager was never going to still be in charge at that time was madness.

LvG at the age of 63 was dictating to 10 year olds how to play to fit into his style of play when he would have been between 70-73 years old by the time they are breaking through into the first team. There was never any chance he or his style of play would still have been used when they broke through.

The idea of a unified style of play is a good idea in principle, but it can't be set by a guy who'll likely be gone in a few years time.

Until we set up the club to be able to run in a manner that doesn't mean the manager becomes entrenched in the club and vice versa then we will never be able to just simply change managers without having to start another huge rebuild every 2-3 years.


8.) 28 Oct 2021 11:23:40
Grim klopp has only won 2 trophies in his 7 years. But he has been competing at the sharp end for the big trophies for the last 4 years and developed a great side at Liverpool.
I'm sure the Liverpool fans would like to see more trophies coming in with the team and manager they have but they are up their competing in cl finals and semi finals and up competing for the epl playing fast attacking football that's all any fan wants. Pride in our team and hope of winning things.
Nobody has a divine right to win nobody expects to win all the time but I do expect us to compete and for the team to put in performances i can be proud of.


9.) 28 Oct 2021 12:00:11
Shappy I can't agree with what you say above about LVG and the style of play implemented by a manager who will be gone by the time the kids he's coaching leave the academy - that's the whole point of a style of play. The club don't care if LVG will be gone 5-8 years later, all the coaches at the club and the ones following will be teaching them the same as LVG . and LVG learned it in coaching and took it into the schools he worked at.

No club epitomises it more than Ajax - and now a lot of people want Ten Hag as our next manager , but he is only overseeing the Ajax style of play they began after the 2nd world war. Ten Hag may leave but they then appoint a manger to carry on the Ajax way as the kids from 6 years old are schooled in it . control of the ball at all times, pass and move, ball on the ground, switch positions and tactics during games where applicable. that's it.

In theory the 4th choice right back should be able to play in the first team in the Champions league next week if needed and slot right in.

If Ten Hag would have said at his interview he wanted to play with one out and out centre forward,2 out and out wingers and 442 they wouldn't have given him the job. Listen to Van der Sar talk about it, the manager fits the philosophy, the kids (and the kids parents ) are told going into the academy we teach you the Ajax way of playing football.

How the manger gets the best out of the players and the quality of players they have is another story.


10.) 28 Oct 2021 13:11:46
Bfbw, I'm not saying that having a style across the entire set up is a bad idea. The problem comes when you allow a manager to set that.

You don't have the history and tradition of a club like United then allow a manager who's been at the club 5 minutes the power to shift how the club plays for the next 10-20 years to suit how that manager wants to play. Especially when that manager is at an age where they will soon retire.

I think the club should have an overlying style that everyone should look to play, and I think that should include any new manager who joins. Managers should then be hired based on their suitability to fit the club and the club's style of play. Rather than the club changing to suit the manager.

It is impossible to change your manager ever 2-3 years successfully if the whole club is going to have to shift to accommodate that new manager.


 

 

28 Oct 2021 08:10:50
Good morning
I thought to reflect on team performances this season .
The numbers out of ten are obviously judgemental .

Leeds W 8
Southampton D 5 struggled
Newcastle. W 6 last 10 mins goals
Young boys. L. 4
West Ham. W 6 lucky
A Villa L. 4 poor
Villa real. W 6
Everton. D 6
Leicester. L 4 poor
Atalanta. W 6
Liverpool. L. 2 very poor

Ok looking at all the games except arguably Liverpool MU squad quality is far greater .
Even Liverpool the substitutes bench for MU was again arguable greater then Liverpool's.

So what's wrong, I am sure we all are saying the same would our manager and coaching staff be snapped up by any of the teams we have played so far .
I am sure answer is no but hold on to your seats nothing will change until top four is not possible .

The Fox.

The fox

1.) 28 Oct 2021 08:42:49
You’re a lot more generous than I am with your ratings. For me, the only time we’ve averaged above a 5/ 10 over 90 minutes was on the opening day of the season.


2.) 28 Oct 2021 09:26:44
A huge feature of our performances for 18 months in reality is that we have never dominated another team from start to finish or at least no game springs to mind and certainly haven't had a run of games where we looked top clas- ever under Ole.

Quite the opposite, we have played well in games for 15,25,30 minutes and done just enough to come away with 1 point or 3 points enough times to give us the league position we now have and had since he arrived.


3.) 28 Oct 2021 09:32:13
Its been a season of slow first halfs and chase the game in the second half. Much like last year.


4.) 28 Oct 2021 09:58:13
Ridiculous that you want to wait till top 4 is out of reach before sacking the clown. What did You find the EuropA league more attractive than CL that you want to be there next season? What player would want to come? Which manager would be attracted to this mess then?


5.) 28 Oct 2021 10:37:44
You missed the Wolves win that was probably one of the worst performances of the season. I think you might need to go and watch the Villareal game again if you think that was a 6, can only assume you didn't see it, it was a 2 at best.


 

 

 

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