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20 Jul 2023 19:36:24
Welcome Onana.
Bruno officially announced as captain and Charlie Savage off to Reading on a permanent deal.


1.) 20 Jul 2023 20:10:58
Don't forget Hardley joining Iqbal at Utrecht.

I'm loving the approach this summer, ruthless but fair.
Imagine Ole was still in charge, the likes of Iqbal and Savage would still just be getting loans that offer no value to the club or their respective careers. There's not a chance he'd let De Gea go and he'd likely still keep Maguire as captain.
ten Hag is doing the business that the previous permanent incumbent lacked the cahoonas for.

Very good summer so far.

2.) 20 Jul 2023 20:28:01
I wouldn't say ruthless, but the young fringe players moving with buyback options and decent sell on fees is a good move, we've adopted the same approach to what a lot of european clubs do. If it works we can get a good player back, or buy them back and sell for a bigger profit. Smart move by the club.

I don't think this has anything to do with ole or ten hag, I think it's more woodward going and having people that know more about transfers running that side of things.

I like what I'm seeing so far this windown.

3.) 21 Jul 2023 02:53:38

You could be right, but I do believe that Ole is more culpable than you think.
For example, Phil Jones.
There is no way whatsoever that Woodward (every bit a money man) would see value in a player with such an incredible injury record, certainly not enough to approve a new contract in 2019 - he can't be blamed for everything.
So, is that down to Ole, a Glazer or Fergie?
In any scenario, the buck stops with the manager for it is that one person who decides whether there's game value to a player.

Woodward was crap at the job, nobody with any sense would disagree. However, he was always the go-to scapegoat for the mismanagement that was, and for the most part, is still rife throughout the club.

Ole is a likeable fella and he's a good coach who brought a certain fluffiness to the squad, but he's a terrible and timid manager who's about as maverick as a jam sandwich.

4.) 21 Jul 2023 10:17:15
ETH is making all the footballing decisions which is great.
I don't think this has happened since the Fergie era.

5.) 21 Jul 2023 10:30:23
I think if you come from outside the bubble that is MUFC like ETH has he was probably shocked at a lot of the practices like stock piling players with no futures at the club -no clear route to the first team for youngsters, so many kids that won't ever make it being kept on or sent on pointless loans and a general lack of direction in so many aspects of the club. He has to be able to have a clear out where he sees fit . let's not forget those with no previous ties to the club like JM, LVG and Ralf saw it and said publicly it was a mess of a club . Ole not so much as working in a that out dated way was all he saw when he was at O. T. he thought it was normal.

6.) 21 Jul 2023 13:35:35
I’m not quite as positive.

We have replaced one outgoing keeper with another one - we have no back up keeper.

The defence remains the same. No improved full back option at RB, and question marks over the futures of Maguire and Lindelof.

We have strengthened attacking midfield which was not a huge priority. We have no quality in depth once Casemiro is out.

Manchester United played a whole season without a recognised striker last season - and we are embarking on a tour today, still without a striker in the squad except a lad who played for Altrincham last year.

I’ll reserve judgement until the window is closed.

7.) 21 Jul 2023 20:26:31
Eric I hear what your saying, but heard that were trying for suzuki, I'm sure we will get a backup gk or keep kovar if we don't sign one.

Ten hag said were looking at a number 9 and I'm sure we will get a decent one with outgoings, we don't seem to have enough in the kitty for a decent one as it stands. With elanga moving that's another 15 million, telles for about 5, hopefully henderson will bring another 25 and one of Fred and mctominay should add around 20 or so that our money for a striker.

I also think we will save massive amounts on wages, which puts us in a good place moving forward.

I think we will have a good window and we will all be happy at the end of the season.

8.) 21 Jul 2023 20:58:57

Have you seen Mainoo play? Think I’d like to see a player come through the academy than a shiny new signing at DM, especially as anyone coming in would be playing 2nd fiddle to Casemiro anyway.

9.) 22 Jul 2023 13:27:22
I be seen him in meaningful games as
Much as anybody else GDS. reserve and u21 games are non-comparable. If he’s that good, I’ll be delighted as anybody.

10.) 22 Jul 2023 16:51:36
Doesn’t change the fact the club have not had a striker for over 2 years and are chasing unproven players to take the No9 shirt.



20 Jun 2023 18:23:51
Zidane Iqpal off to Utrecht for £1m.


1.) 20 Jun 2023 18:57:13
Last pre-season It looked like he had the chance to be one of the next wave coming through, even if as squad player. EtH has obviously not seen anything in him to allow him to leave, whether that is fit, ability or attitude.
Shame that another youngster has not transitioned but if not the quality then it is what it is.
Price and club he has gone to seems odd.

2.) 20 Jun 2023 19:26:24
Brad, I just read he signed up to the same agency as ETH, who supposedly promised him a move to the Eridivisie.

3.) 20 Jun 2023 19:51:42
I was surprised Zidane didn't get more chances but maybe there is a bigger picture. I remember we were linked with Taylor Booth from utrecht I hope there is maybe a trade off there somehow.

4.) 20 Jun 2023 19:36:18
Noucamp, interesting. It also sounds like they have negotiated a significant sell on clause.
Maybe they are allowing a lesser fee and if he is a success we may get a decent return in a few years time.

5.) 20 Jun 2023 21:04:37
What a joke of a fee, loan him out .

6.) 20 Jun 2023 21:20:19
I’d have thought even with a decent sell on clause he’d have demanded more than that based on potential.

7.) 21 Jun 2023 08:31:10
wrd - not a great fee granted but better than keeping a player, who won't get the minutes to shine and pay him wages only to either lose for free. Multiply it by the many, younguns we have and it all adds up. We are man utd football club and as harsh as it sounds we don't have charitable status.

8.) 21 Jun 2023 12:37:29
What is the point in keeping him, it's clear that he isn't going to get any game time.
1 million EUROS for a player that has played 1 game for Manchester United is a decent amount.

9.) 21 Jun 2023 12:58:26
Would a youngster in the same position at Real, Barcelona or City command more…. I think they would. Listen, I’m all for getting rid don’t get me wrong, but it does seem we are potentially taking pittance for players when other sides are always banging a bit on.

10.) 21 Jun 2023 20:00:43
Zidane got a right earful from EtH in training a few weeks ago, seems like he had had enough and told United to get rid regardless of the fee. Manager's succeed or fail on these decisions.

11.) 21 Jun 2023 20:31:20
Well let's see if he does achieve anything in his career.



27 May 2023 21:48:42
Diogo Costa, Kim Min Jae, Frimpong, and Kane would be a fantastic summer window.


1.) 28 May 2023 05:09:10
Rather get a midfielder over frimpong.

2.) 28 May 2023 08:08:04
100% backpass, with Casemiro and Eriksen being 31 (turning 32) next season and with only Fred, McTominay and Donny as back up, that is nowhere near good enough and we have struggled when one of Casemiro or Eriksen are missing.

Whereas, Dalot and even AWB (after the WC) have been solid enough.

3.) 28 May 2023 08:09:12
midfielder definitely coming in imo. depending on departures might see 2 incoming unless club thinks someone from youth ranks is ready to step in and get minutes.

4.) 28 May 2023 11:44:18
I don't see a change at GK or maybe RB at least this summer.
Although I think he should definitely be the main target this window I don't think Levy will sell Kane for less than around £120m which becomes unviable. Bayern paid up to £34m (with add-ons) for Mane, of course he was worth much more but Liverpool knew he'd walk away for free at the end of the season. I don't think we can expect any such favours from Levy. I genuinely think he'd rather keep him than take the more realistic £70-80m, and spend the season trying to convince him to stay.
I have no idea who should be the main striker target in this scenario. I haven't seen enough of Muani or Ramos. Osimhen comes up a lot but maybe the wrong type of player. Interestingly Chelsea are still being linked with pretty much all of them. They still have Lukaku to deal with, and have Nkunku coming in who is a great player. Still no further to having a reliable out-and-out no.9 though. Maybe Poch is a Lukaku fan.
I don't think we can scrimp in this position. Ferguson/ Hjoland would be nice as secondary signings or further afield but not as the main man.

5.) 28 May 2023 12:25:18
Spenno, in 33 days time DDG will be out of contract. As will both Heaton and Butland (loan ended) . While Henderson is only interesting in staying if he is guaranteed to be No.1, so he will likely leave.

So, with a good chance that at least three if not all four first team goalkeepers leaving this summer I'd be stunned and utterly flabbergasted if we didn't sign at least one keeper this summer.

Whether we spend big on a first choice or whether we buy a cheaper back up keeper is the only thing that is really up for debate.

6.) 29 May 2023 16:02:44
Isnt DDG signing a 2 year extension and we are signing Meslier?



20 Aug 2022 20:02:56
Apologies if this has been covered but can anyone confirm if this Casemiro deal was a long running thing or right out of the blue?


{Ed002's Note - Casemiro had been offered to a couple of Premier League clubs including MU and given all prefered targets were moving elsewhere, not available or not interested, they agreed the transfer.

1.) 21 Aug 2022 13:11:30
Was rabiot ahead of Casemiro on that pecking order?

{Ed002's Note - He had not been offered at that point.}

2.) 21 Aug 2022 13:48:29
Ed with the signing of Casemiro does it mean we are not pursuing Frenkie anymore?

Or are they unrelated, and have we moved onto second options since Frenkie doesn't want to come to us?

Thanks a million ed.

{Ed002's Note - They are unrelated as they play in different positions. de Jong does not wa nt to move to Manchester United.}

3.) 21 Aug 2022 13:54:24
Cheers Ed, I thought it all seemed too efficient for our board to pull off.
Any chance we’re being offered a striker, midfielder, right back and goalkeeper?

4.) 21 Aug 2022 14:06:32
Ed002, was Casemiro being offered around a directive from Real Madrid or from the player?

{Ed002's Note - The club who are loking to lower the age and have added AT.}

5.) 21 Aug 2022 15:04:48
Ed so th3 club hasn't moved on yet. That is pathetic and I think we should just go all out for SmS.

6.) 21 Aug 2022 15:06:14

1. Are United still looking to add another central midfielder right as an alternative to Frenkie De Jong?

2. Or are the club prioritizing other positions like winger/ striker and another central midfielder signing is unlikely?

3. Are reports of a 80mil euro bid by United for Antony in recent weeks accurate?

{Ed002's Note -
1. Yes
2. It doesn't wok like that.
3. Yes.

7.) 21 Aug 2022 15:50:08
Thanks ed. I'm happy to hear that there will be more incomings.

8.) 21 Aug 2022 19:19:45
Ed - who are the possible other midfielders the club will look to sign?

{Ed014's Note - Tielemens and Ward Prowse! ???

9.) 21 Aug 2022 19:39:29
The worrying thing is I could see that happening!

{Ed014's Note - I’d doubt it mate to be honest, I don’t really think they’re that daft.

We’re supposed to be after a couple more but literally no idea who they’re looking at and to be honest I’m never bothered about stuff like that I just wait and see.

10.) 21 Aug 2022 18:55:03
Thanks for the quick reply Ed002. If we can come out of this window with midfield surgery and a forward/ right back I'd consider it a success.



29 Jul 2022 15:38:03
I really hope the rumours of Fabián Ruiz are true. I've thought for a while he'd be a decent player to have in the Premier league. He'd be a very suitable replacement for Matic.
I get that Ten Hag wants FDJ at all costs etc but if we could get Ruiz for the reported £42m then it's a no brainer. Very good player.


1.) 29 Jul 2022 15:53:08
I tend to agree and think he'd be a suitable alternative to FDJ if that deal isn't able to be concluded.

Personally I think Fabian Ruiz better fits EtH than SMS who is another of the often touted alternatives. Although personally I feel that SMS is much like Pau Torres, a club target the predates EtH and might not be some the new manager really wants to pursue.

Or at least Fabian Ruiz's skillset more closely aligns with that of FDJ.

If we could do a deal that includes Ronaldo then that could be a two birds with one stone situation.

2.) 29 Jul 2022 16:01:20
I wouldn’t mind both players to be honest. Two different midfielders who would both instantly improve our team.
Savic definitely does seem like a club target though.

3.) 29 Jul 2022 20:03:30
Shappy. Why would CR7 go to Napoli? Although they are in CL they may be packed in a group of death and chance of finishing 3rd in the group is high. So effectively CR7 will again play in Europa league in few months time. Atleast in United he is on insane wages, he has to reduce his wages if he goes to Napoli.
He probably prefer a team who has high chance of going far in the CL or even winning it.

{Ed014's Note - what he prefers and what those clubs in with a chance of winning the champions league want are two totally different things.

4.) 29 Jul 2022 20:20:52
Don't think anyone cares what you think personally shappy. Think they are more concerned with what the manager thinks. And rightly so, whoever he asks for, should be attempted to be attained.

5.) 29 Jul 2022 20:43:01
Jeez RedWhiskey, there's no need for that.

6.) 30 Jul 2022 07:47:25
Wow RedWhiskey, whose p. ed in your Macallen?

If we're not going to give opinions then this site will become very slow.

I didn't say the club should sign Ruiz, just that in my opinion he is closer in style of play to FDJ than SMS is. Which if we are looking for an alternative to FDJ then Ruiz would make more sense than SMS.

I've repeatedly said that the best signings we can make this summer are the ones the new manager wants.

However, that said the reality is his top target FDJ might not be attainable this summer. So alternatives will probably need to be sought. Obviously an alternative that the manager approves of.

7.) 30 Jul 2022 17:47:16
It's been one of themes of this summer, it doesn't matter what XYZ thinks its the managers choice that's important.

8.) 30 Jul 2022 19:59:26
I didn't mean it in any malice. Simply that what is most important is getting who the manager wants. Rumours are flying around everywhere and we all jump on them I'd like this I'd like that. Ultimately it doesn't matter who we want, it matters who the manager wants.

9.) 30 Jul 2022 21:43:15
Don't worry RedWhiskey, I didn't take it personally. I agree that the most important thing is we sign who the manager wants.

I just enjoy discussing the other options we are linked with.

10.) 31 Jul 2022 16:26:29
My biggest worry is TH is fixated with Ajax or Dutch players, I appreciate he needs to get the players he wants, but I would have hoped he had a dossier on players of other teams countries…that to me is a little of a worry…. We seen with DVB who was supposedly good at Ajax over hear is is very poor and he had plenty of chances….

11.) 31 Jul 2022 17:31:31
We have 2 Dutch players in the squad, one of them is Chong who has been here for years. Obsessed.

12.) 31 Jul 2022 17:52:05
Yeah god forbid we bring players from the Eredivisie to United, it'd be terrible to have to watch players like RvN, RvP, Stam, Park etc at United.

13.) 31 Jul 2022 18:13:30
Oh yeah but you forgot, Depay, Patrick Kluivert, Meijer, Boogers, Janssen,
DVB, . But Brains that’s not what I am saying is it, I’m saying every player he linked with is Ajax/ Dutch could just be lazy jounos but there are other players out there instead of making Ajax the richest club in the world!




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11 Nov 2023 19:24:38
2 stats I've seen tonight. Ten Hag is the first manager to win 30 of his first 50 games and United are the most in form team in the PL currently, winning 4 out of 5.

The mind boggles.


1.) 11 Nov 2023 20:56:40
But we are all doomed and the manager is jnder serious pressure according to all the pundits ?.

2.) 11 Nov 2023 21:36:59
the best manger we have had since fergie. i Hope we give him time show himself.

3.) 11 Nov 2023 23:52:49
Agree. He needs more time to get this team buzzing!

4.) 12 Nov 2023 00:51:03
Congrats to ETH on that. Also the 2nd fastest United manager to 50 wins in all comps I believe. Great results under very difficult circumstances.

5.) 12 Nov 2023 06:14:07
It's always been the same, if we lose we are in a crisis.

But let's not kid ourselves, the football has not been great and we struggle to score goals, it is going to be a long season.

6.) 12 Nov 2023 12:30:26
The footballs been poor and we are struggling against some bang average teams. I am still in the manager over players camp, i think he needs to be removed from making signings though.

7.) 12 Nov 2023 14:48:39
If one throws the 'quickest to 50 wins' stat in my face again I just also remind them it's the worst start in 60 years. One amazing accolade for Erik, one not so.

8.) 12 Nov 2023 21:10:56
Think his biggest issue is going to be whoever comes in to run the football operation. They will rightly want a manager who fits with their vision.

9.) 12 Nov 2023 21:59:47
Players* oakbark. Will they be strong enough to rid big names if they don't fit?

10.) 13 Nov 2023 01:53:51

Do you really think 21 points from 12 games is out worst start in 60 years? It just isn’t, I’m sure the media could twist some stats to make it that way though.



01 Nov 2023 20:06:58
I'm happy with that team sheet tonight. Would like to see Hojlund get more minutes but glad to see Hannibal and Mount brought back in. Also Reguilon at LB.
I'm going with a 2-0 win. Garnacho to get one tonight.


1.) 01 Nov 2023 20:55:38
Well, unfortunately 2-0 won't be.

2.) 01 Nov 2023 20:56:55
Well going well.

3.) 01 Nov 2023 21:35:49
Felt optimistic, I now feel miserable. What a shower of rubbish.

4.) 01 Nov 2023 21:51:25
We simply don't have the players.

10 years of awful recruitment and we are now in a situation where we have 7 or 8 players most fans would keep. A few of those will be kids like Garnacho, Mainoo and even Højlund whose only 20.

We need to bring in 15 or so new players who have the mentality, technical skills, physical attributes and of the required quality to play for a side looking to challenge for titles.

The managers change but the performances don't. It really doesn't matter who manages these players no one will come in and turn a sows ear into a silk purse.

Time to accept it. Clear them out, drop down to mid-table for a couple of years as we rebuild. Until we do that we will be stuck in this cycle of mediocrity. Sack a manager, sign a few more players, make no real improvement, sack the manager and start again.

5.) 01 Nov 2023 22:19:17
It's a shame the managers don't hold any commercial value or power which makes the task of clearing house impossible.

I've said it before I'll say it again, the toxic players hold too much commercial value for the club to clear them out. Whilst the shirts sell the managers will be the ones paying the consequences for poor performances.

As much as I was against Radcliffe, right now I would take any change that could result in a change of culture. Albeit its unlikely will change as the Glazers will be breathing down anyone's necks for their annual Dividend.

6.) 01 Nov 2023 22:30:18
SJR will end up like our managers, hung out to dry by the Glazers.

7.) 02 Nov 2023 13:19:26
No manager at UTD has ever been hung out to dry by the Glazers they bar Mourinho were all shocking and deserved the sack much sooner same as ETH lucky bag managers no big club would touch any of them notice you had zero competition for TH a reason for that.



30 Sep 2023 19:31:10
When are we going to ask questions of Ten Hag?
While I completely agree and understand we've had a piss poor run of injuries, surely we have enough in this squad to put up a fight against palace at home.
We have to stop this nonsense of praising his handholding of the Ronaldo situation and start judging him on current performances.

We're garbage and have been since we won a he Carabaou cup.


1.) 30 Sep 2023 19:42:00
It’s not looking good bruv!

2.) 30 Sep 2023 19:56:48
I get my head bit off by Mr Shappy when I question ETH, so how dare anyone question him. Bookies favourite to be first gone now, so won’t be long.
You can’t upset half the dressing room and think the other half will work for you
Injuries or not, we lost 4 out of 7 is it and TBF lucky to win the 3 we did!
Shappy reckons we lost to a worldly goal not sure if it counts as more than 1 goal! or what difference that makes.

ETH likes the sound of his own voice too much. Ask yourself how would you have felt today if your Garnacho Martial or Mjebri, oh your all drooped and my misfits are back in! He thinks he still coaching kids in Dutch league that school master treatment not going to work here.

3.) 30 Sep 2023 19:57:44
Ah that's ludicrous to question him. Form is bad allied to really poor injuries in a squad that's not good enough because of what he inherited. He has improved a lot of players, e. g. Wan Bissaka, Shaw, Dalot, Rashford and brought through others like Hannibal and Mainoo. But the standards were awful when he took over and it takes more than a year to fix that. We're seeing regression with Rashford for instance and that type of thing is typical. Ten Hag needs and should get the season at least. I'd argue he needs the next 2 windows.

4.) 30 Sep 2023 19:58:48
He does make some strange decisions but so does every manager

Surprise Surprise Marcus Rashford worst player on the pitch again

Yes I don’t rate him and never have but what I can’t abide is his lacklustre demeanour can’t be arsed attitude. He needs dropping asap.

5.) 30 Sep 2023 20:07:59
I've just lost all hope, don't even know what to think anymore. and I got hammered for worrying that it might get worse. I watch us and think my god were awful. lost count how many times our midfield just lose the ball with aimless passing. Think utd will turn it around soon, but it's painful.

6.) 30 Sep 2023 20:16:30
He may have improved Binsaka but he still nowhere near level required, same with Dalot
Bought Hannibal through plays well midweek, so kicks him in balls today, done same with Ganarcho and even Martial
Starting Rashford on bench today was the right thing to do, to kick him up the pants and reward Garnacho. nope
Buys Mount, no idea where to play him, spent 80 million on one trick pony, got rid of reserve left back knowing he already had injuries prefers to play Amrabat there because he done that years ago in Dutch league, terrible substitutions and in game management
Upsets more then he don’t
Then tells media players not following his explicit instructions no wonder they all pissed off with him, Casermiro must think what is this man doing.

7.) 30 Sep 2023 20:55:02
How on earth has he improved Shaw and Rashford? They are both as crap as ever. Rashfords lack of effort is horrendous, Rangnick was right, we should have got rid of the both of them. The two constants, i'd even put Bruno in there, genuinely don't believe they're good enough for us.

8.) 30 Sep 2023 20:59:19
Whilst I understand current frustration, I feel it myself, but surely we cannot be seriously considering sacking ETH? Really? We rinse and repeat this quickly? We will surely never come out from this sh1t3 if we continue this route. I’m stunned to hear such talk as this.
Okay, those that advocate a change of manager please answer some questions:
Replace ETH with whom?
How long have you been a United ‘supporter’?
Who was the manager when you started being a United ‘supporter’?
If you have only ‘supported’ United when SAF was in post please ignore this because you really have no idea!

9.) 30 Sep 2023 20:59:31
I’m of the opinion that ETH has lost it. Think it’s all too big for him. Just because he won a league cup doesn’t mean anything now. LVG won a bigger cup and got sacked straight after. Time to move on from last season, the team is going backwards and he appears clueless on how to sort it.

Look at what spurs are doing, no 30 goal a season striker anymore and their new boss has them playing well within a matter of weeks.

Even with the injuries ETH has a team full of internationals. A good coach or man manager could get them playing some decent football, at least sometimes. Fed up of hearing excuses.

Rashford should never have been given a new contract, he has no choice but to play him now, can’t get rid of him as nobody would pay the stupid wages we’ve given him.

Wasted over £100m on Onana and Mount that we didn’t desperately need. Wasted almost another £100m on a right winger who’s simply not very good.

At the moment ETH is turning United into a team that would struggle in his beloved Dutch league.

That being said, he is safe in his job, for now. But there hasn’t been one good performance in the league yet this season, if this keeps up and United start falling even further down the league they will have no choice but to pull the trigger. Trouble with that is, who on earth would you replace him with?

10.) 30 Sep 2023 21:04:49
Strangeways you're either very young or never played sport yourself. These things take time and there are ebbs and flows. Taken over the entirety of his time at the club, I see clear improvement. It is crazy imo to talk about removing the coach while in the midst of an injury crisis that means 3 of his first choice back 4 or out, and when 2 of his first choice midfielders have only just returned.

11.) 30 Sep 2023 21:27:01
New poster strange ways? Feels very familiar.

12.) 30 Sep 2023 21:29:53
new owners come in they will look at him very very closely - no point getting into it now as I still back ETH but there's easily 3-4 managers we would attract with new owners and a shed full of cash - he had better up his game sharpish.

13.) 30 Sep 2023 21:32:34

Making stuff up doesn’t really help anyone, you clearly have an agenda here and want the manager sacked, where have you suddenly come from, did you used to have a different name? ETH is not favourite to be sacked, he’s 4th favourite after Heckingbottom, Dyche and O’Neil, joint with Kompany at 12/ 1, so posting stuff on here about him being favourite to go just makes you sound ridiculous.

14.) 30 Sep 2023 21:44:04
Feels like nursery playground again. ETH is nor perfect but the club is a mess. He needs to be backed and we need to ship out the whingers.

I agree he selects players who are not playing well amdnje needs to start dropping a few, but Rashford's inconsistency and Bruno's attitude were issues before he arrived.

Rinse and repeat isn't working, we need to back a Manager and of that means changing every player them so be it.

Some very silly posts on here lately, people stamping their feet and wanting the Manager sacked, just staggering.

15.) 30 Sep 2023 21:47:49
Ten Haag has been in the job for just over a year and people are calling for his head. How can we expect success if we keep chopping and changing the manager? It just doesn’t make sense. By the reckoning of all those naysayers, Sir Alex would have been sacked long before he became successful. Ten Haag needs time and I feel confident that he too will be a success.

16.) 30 Sep 2023 21:54:11
Maybe he’s just got out of Strangeways.

17.) 30 Sep 2023 21:59:39
We need to back the manager otherwise the cycle starts again. Fair few injuries. He needs atleast 2 more windows to be judged, you can't form a team in a year.

18.) 30 Sep 2023 22:32:07
When are people going to stop blaming the manager and start realising he is using a core group of players that have been there through multiple managers.

Players have far too much influence in this club and it really shows. Get rid of the toxic players in the squad and rebuild. Arteta did a great job of it with Arsenal and is seeing the rewards.

Only United fans would be so fickle to think a new manager solves the problem when the squad hasn't changed much.

19.) 30 Sep 2023 22:36:54
Who says he has lost half the dressing room? Who ever it was was probably paid by sancho. Or it dressing room sources - eg sancho.

I said we might not have hit the bottom yet. But what ten hag is doing is what we need.

Looks at results from klopps first seasons, arteta, fergy and there are many more examples. We are ripping things up and rebuilding. It is a process and is painful.

We possibly would have been better with DDG and defensive stability this year, but maybe this way we reach the end goal quicker but with short term pain?

Today we controlled the game better, but we are not creating chances and clicking. I'm sure these players will figure it out soon and until then I am backing them to do so.

Back this manager and support the team.

20.) 30 Sep 2023 22:48:57
I agree with the above posts but I think we all know that when push comes to shove the board will take the easy out and sack the manager. There’s a reason why we continually go through the same cycle and until that’s addressed properly then nothing will change. Lunatics running the asylum springs to mind!

21.) 30 Sep 2023 22:57:16
I am not advocating getting rid of ETH but something needs to radically change. I know you can’t make strawberry jam out of pig sh! t but you can make it better to swallow! Some of his decisions are bewildering to say the least.

If he has a definitive plan then he must be backed at least till the end of the season and another window to get it right. Problem is who wants to come?

Unless we fix the structure it does not matter which manager comes in.

This team is a mess from the top down and one of the worst I have seen since I started watching United when Busby was manager. Sure I have seen worst teams on paper but they at least played for each other. This is a team largely made up of individuals who it appears the manager has already lost.

Where are the Rashford must play advocates today? He was awful and there can be no reasonable argument to the contrary.

22.) 30 Sep 2023 23:02:11

He was in Trafford last time after escaping from the Maze. Poor lad has a thing for Shappy and adding new accounts to agree with his own opinion, it’s pathetic.

23.) 01 Oct 2023 09:02:53
Going back to my original post, Ten Hag and his coaching team should be getting some sort of tune out of these players by now.
It’s all well and good having a disciplinarian who will weed out the whiners but we also need some form on the pitch.
Currently, we’re absolutely rubbish, and we’re easy to play against.

24.) 01 Oct 2023 09:50:24
Eric should be around for the long term. Anyone who calls for his head is quite frankly an idiot.

The manager should have the major input into transfer decisions. But it shouldn’t be purely down to him. There needs to be a recruitment team who all sing from the same hymn sheet. Certain players were a mistake and that’s down to him having full autonomy which doesn’t work.

The full back situation is dire at the club. We don’t have world class full backs and judging by the way he wants to play we need to. There’s a real lack of depth as well.

The discipline side is spot on. Players either get onboard or go. It’s simple. When your playing XBox til 3am and tossing it off in training, what do you expect?

The young lads coming through are just that, young lads with potential. I might get pelters, but I haven’t seen anything from Garnacho, Hannibal or Pellistri which make me think they are world beaters. Garnacho has shown glimpses, but he’s got a long long way to been world class if at all. My honest feeling is that these lads will end up like Januzaj. Mainoo is the one that excites me for the future.

And my final and main bullet point……NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNTIL THE GLAZERS GO.

25.) 01 Oct 2023 13:09:29
FiremanC, are Rashford, Martial, Antony and Sancho world beaters?
Have they all hit world class status at any point in their careers.
2 of them I’ve mentioned walk around the pitch when we’re not in possession.

26.) 01 Oct 2023 15:34:50
Fireman ETH as had major input into signings and honestly speaking are any of them that great! He now pinned all his hopes on a unproven 20 year old striker to be united Number 9, when United should be having him as an understudy to be learning the art. It’s poor planning whatever way you look at it, same as letting the reserves left back go last day of transfer when he knew injuries were there and short in defence and surely could see Martinez was not fit, but nope ETH prefers to sign one of his old midfielders in Amrabat and play him there! So any other full back reserve at united now basically been told you’re not good enough! All creates dressing room unrest, ETH keeps saying this is United, but he managing it like Ajax in the Dutch league, so why don’t he practice what he keeps preaching!

27.) 01 Oct 2023 19:46:17
Strangeways, that was my point regarding transfers.

Yes, Eric should be the major contributor, but the whole team should be united in their decision to sign a player. If the medical team or the data analysts say no then that should veto. In the case of Antony, there should have been red flags. For me, Gakpo would have been a better signing.



03 Sep 2023 21:27:09
The circus continues. Jadon Sancho has now come out on social media with a dig at Ten Hag.
4 games in and we seem to be a shambles. Some decent enough performances today, I thought we deserved at least a point but we found ourselves finishing the game with Maguire and Evans at centre half and were pinning all our hopes on a 20 year old lad who's never played PL football.


1.) 03 Sep 2023 21:43:03
I think that may put the nail in the coffin of Sanchos career at United. If that’s his attitude to the manager simply answering a question on why he wasn’t included in the squad, in which he explained he didn’t put the required effort in in training then we need to get rid. He should take the criticism on board and work harder for his spot. He hasn’t been good enough since the day he signed, and I rarely criticise our players but I hate entitled attitudes from football players, especially ones who are on circa £350,000 a week.

2.) 03 Sep 2023 22:05:28
Eth gave him a long leash last season including allowing him considerable time away to get himself right and now the minute he says something sancho doesn’t like he reacts like this. Very poor from Jadon.

3.) 04 Sep 2023 05:58:06
Very Poor from Ten too though Tim… I’m no fan of Sancho in the slightest never have been, but Ten now alienated too many, Started with Ronaldo, fine, then had audacity to say Ronaldo don’t press well he don’t but he said Martial does…LOL
McT got hump with him, McGuire, now Sancho, even Bruno taking a dig, Rashford is up and down, it’s ok calling players out, but you can’t have them lingering around for months which is what now happens, Antony will be next sulk.

4.) 04 Sep 2023 07:27:32
Don’t think Bruno had a dig at all

5.) 04 Sep 2023 07:56:36
If Sancho can't be arsed in training, get rid of him.

6.) 04 Sep 2023 09:27:23
Rashford just had his most productive season Trafford

Because of a lack of options he has had to go upfront and not looked as sharp

But since going to the left he’s scored and assisted

I don’t get your issue with ten hag not wanting players he doesn’t feel fit his system

Did people moan when pep got rid of joe hart a fan favourite at city beciase he didn’t fit his way

Top managers are ruthless and top clubs let top managers be ruthless are that’s how you set standards

Fergie was one of the best at it and he didn’t do to bad did he

Stam ruud beckham Keane there were many when a player gets to big the door is there to leave.



09 Aug 2023 21:28:19 Where has this term amortised come from?! This window I'm seeing it more and more. Fans on Twitter and the likes using it to justify transfers.


1.) 09 Aug 2023 22:00:06
Chelsea last season.

2.) 09 Aug 2023 22:00:39
It’s total rubbish unless we have to pay a player his wages for his contract length regardless of if he leaves. OR we agreed to pay his fee over the length of his contract. Then that is still outgoing money even if he is not here. But as the fee was paid up front the amortisation discussion is moot.

Just a incorrectly used buzz word that will be soon forgotten.

The accountants amongst us can elaborate!

3.) 09 Aug 2023 22:09:49

Accounting term that nearly everyone on here, bar a few, do not understand, yet quote as if they are fully qualified accountants. Ignore and let accountants do what they do with the numbers.

4.) 09 Aug 2023 22:10:27
Basically you spread the accounting of the transfer fee across the length of the contract uo to 5 years. You might pay it all up front for example but for thebouposes of FFP you actually count 1/ 5 of it each year over 5 yeara. FfP numbers iirc are calulated over three years.

Sales you don't spread out but add to the accounts that year for FFP purposes.

Its why i didn't really get the fuss over what Chelsea did, because they are still on the hook for the money, just eating into future budgets and there is a massive risk because gvinf someone massive wages for 8 years means if a tramsfer doesn't work Chelsea arw stuck with an 8 year cont4act for a player not delivering. Their policy was not without risk. Just seems certain people or teams didn't like it but it was as likely to backfire as work. All teansfers have risk and theirs may expose them for oonger is a player doesn't work out.

5.) 09 Aug 2023 23:12:29
Take player purchase costs (price, agents, legal etc) divide cost over the length of contract. This is how assets (including players contracts in football) are charged against income to get to profit.

Wages are a running expense and are charged as they are paid.

The issue with a player like Harry McGuire is that we have him on wages over 200k. Westham will never offer him those wages. So he will have to accept lower wages if he moves there. But why would he, when utd has given him a contract for 2 more years?

We will probably either pay him a lump sum from his transfer to offset his loss in wages. OR we have accepted a lower price from westham and they will pay him a signing bonus to offset. OR there is a mixture of both, plus HM accepting some loss of guaranteed pay for the benefit of likely starting spot, england place security (he will hope) and maybe performance related bonuses such as europe qualification etc.

6.) 09 Aug 2023 23:25:28
Qualified accountant here and I don’t fully understand so I’m sure most people don’t.

7.) 10 Aug 2023 02:05:50
It's simply a way of spreading out the transfer cost of a player over the length of the contract for the purposes of accounting. It doesn't matter how you pay for the player, whether it's all cash up front or over time, and it doesn't matter if the player's value goes up or down while he's under contract. For accounting purposes the total annual cost of an individual player is the annual amortization cost plus the cost of wages. So if you buy someone for £80m over 5 years and pay him £10m a year, the annual cost will £16m + £10m, or £26m. After 3 years the asset vale will be written down to £32m. If you now sell that asset for £30m then for accounting purpose you lose £2m on disposal in the year of sale. So, because of the way the transfer cost is charged to the accounts you might end up selling a player for much less than you bought him, but if the sale price is more than the amortized value then you will be reporting a profit in the year of the sale.

8.) 10 Aug 2023 07:56:50
My accounts department have to explain to me about amortisation on a monthly basis. Still don't get it, and I don't think they do either.




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08 Nov 2023 12:28:03
You can’t put Tevez in the same sentence as Cantona surely?!




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06 Oct 2023 20:59:40
What’s puzzling is how a group of certain players can dictate a dressing room over and over. How are players coming in and letting it happen? Surely, one or two would have some bollocks and make a stand. All these players coming in, shouldn’t be letting a few rotten apples dictate the outcome of their United careers?
I honestly can’t get my head around it. We heard it was Pogba and Lingard. We heard it was Henderson. Who is it now? Reading between the lines, we’re probably looking at Rashford, Shaw and Martial? Or have I got that completely wrong?




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05 Sep 2023 18:06:04
Eric79, it’s not Evans bashing. I think everyone of us agree that he’s a good honest pro and likely a nice fella too. It’s not personal to him but it’s ridiculous that we’re in this position. As AJH touched on, we’ve let Tuanzebe and Mengi go recently, and now find ourselves with Jonny Evans at centre half. Meanwhile, over the road, City are adding Gvardiol to their treble winning squad. Liverpool have revamp their midfield in one window after having an off season. Arsenal have added Rice to an already strong midfield and Tottenham have lost their talisman, all time leading goal scorer and are producing good football with a new manager from the off!
How can United fans honestly be happy with our squad and the dross we’re producing away from home.




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29 Aug 2023 11:49:18
Tagliafico has also been linked today. I get the manager trusting players he’s managed previously but this is piss poor from the clubs scouting department and Ten Hag if it turns out to be true.




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16 Jun 2023 13:28:02
PSG gave Mbappe fat too much power and that’s been their downfall. If he ends up at Real, City or United he won’t have the clout he’s got at PSG.
I’d take him in a heartbeat! The next best thing to Haaland.





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02 Nov 2023 17:39:29
Everything you’ve mentioned and the fact we’re the most successful club in arguably the best league in the world, is why we’re in the media daily. Manchester United sell papers, whether it’s through success or failure.

Don’t you think if Real or Bayern we’re going through such a barren spell, the media and fans in Spain and Germany wouldn’t be same?




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02 Nov 2023 17:34:49
As a United supporting Red, I can say with absolute certainty that I don’t want a relegation battle or relegation.
Finishing anywhere between 8th and 14th should be seen as a disastrous season and reason enough for major changes.
I agree on the clear out though. From top to bottom, the clubs rotten.




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01 Nov 2023 21:35:49
Felt optimistic, I now feel miserable. What a shower of rubbish.




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04 Oct 2023 19:12:28
Fizz, last nights second goal really reminded me of a RVN goal against Fulham.




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04 Oct 2023 11:22:14
Last season we were screaming out for a no9. Now we’ve got one, and this season we’re screaming out for the other 10 players to turn up.