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20 Jul 2023 19:36:24
Welcome Onana.
Bruno officially announced as captain and Charlie Savage off to Reading on a permanent deal.
1.) 20 Jul 2023 20:10:58
Don't forget Hardley joining Iqbal at Utrecht.
I'm loving the approach this summer, ruthless but fair.
Imagine Ole was still in charge, the likes of Iqbal and Savage would still just be getting loans that offer no value to the club or their respective careers. There's not a chance he'd let De Gea go and he'd likely still keep Maguire as captain.
ten Hag is doing the business that the previous permanent incumbent lacked the cahoonas for.
Very good summer so far.
2.) 20 Jul 2023 20:28:01
I wouldn't say ruthless, but the young fringe players moving with buyback options and decent sell on fees is a good move, we've adopted the same approach to what a lot of european clubs do. If it works we can get a good player back, or buy them back and sell for a bigger profit. Smart move by the club.
I don't think this has anything to do with ole or ten hag, I think it's more woodward going and having people that know more about transfers running that side of things.
I like what I'm seeing so far this windown.
3.) 21 Jul 2023 02:53:38
dannyc
You could be right, but I do believe that Ole is more culpable than you think.
For example, Phil Jones.
There is no way whatsoever that Woodward (every bit a money man) would see value in a player with such an incredible injury record, certainly not enough to approve a new contract in 2019 - he can't be blamed for everything.
So, is that down to Ole, a Glazer or Fergie?
In any scenario, the buck stops with the manager for it is that one person who decides whether there's game value to a player.
Woodward was crap at the job, nobody with any sense would disagree. However, he was always the go-to scapegoat for the mismanagement that was, and for the most part, is still rife throughout the club.
Ole is a likeable fella and he's a good coach who brought a certain fluffiness to the squad, but he's a terrible and timid manager who's about as maverick as a jam sandwich.
4.) 21 Jul 2023 10:17:15
ETH is making all the footballing decisions which is great.
I don't think this has happened since the Fergie era.
5.) 21 Jul 2023 10:30:23
I think if you come from outside the bubble that is MUFC like ETH has he was probably shocked at a lot of the practices like stock piling players with no futures at the club -no clear route to the first team for youngsters, so many kids that won't ever make it being kept on or sent on pointless loans and a general lack of direction in so many aspects of the club. He has to be able to have a clear out where he sees fit . let's not forget those with no previous ties to the club like JM, LVG and Ralf saw it and said publicly it was a mess of a club . Ole not so much as working in a that out dated way was all he saw when he was at O. T. he thought it was normal.
6.) 21 Jul 2023 13:35:35
I’m not quite as positive.
We have replaced one outgoing keeper with another one - we have no back up keeper.
The defence remains the same. No improved full back option at RB, and question marks over the futures of Maguire and Lindelof.
We have strengthened attacking midfield which was not a huge priority. We have no quality in depth once Casemiro is out.
Manchester United played a whole season without a recognised striker last season - and we are embarking on a tour today, still without a striker in the squad except a lad who played for Altrincham last year.
I’ll reserve judgement until the window is closed.
7.) 21 Jul 2023 20:26:31
Eric I hear what your saying, but heard that were trying for suzuki, I'm sure we will get a backup gk or keep kovar if we don't sign one.
Ten hag said were looking at a number 9 and I'm sure we will get a decent one with outgoings, we don't seem to have enough in the kitty for a decent one as it stands. With elanga moving that's another 15 million, telles for about 5, hopefully henderson will bring another 25 and one of Fred and mctominay should add around 20 or so that our money for a striker.
I also think we will save massive amounts on wages, which puts us in a good place moving forward.
I think we will have a good window and we will all be happy at the end of the season.
8.) 21 Jul 2023 20:58:57
Eric,
Have you seen Mainoo play? Think I’d like to see a player come through the academy than a shiny new signing at DM, especially as anyone coming in would be playing 2nd fiddle to Casemiro anyway.
9.) 22 Jul 2023 13:27:22
I be seen him in meaningful games as
Much as anybody else GDS. reserve and u21 games are non-comparable. If he’s that good, I’ll be delighted as anybody.
10.) 22 Jul 2023 16:51:36
Doesn’t change the fact the club have not had a striker for over 2 years and are chasing unproven players to take the No9 shirt.
20 Jun 2023 18:23:51
Zidane Iqpal off to Utrecht for £1m.
1.) 20 Jun 2023 18:57:13
Last pre-season It looked like he had the chance to be one of the next wave coming through, even if as squad player. EtH has obviously not seen anything in him to allow him to leave, whether that is fit, ability or attitude.
Shame that another youngster has not transitioned but if not the quality then it is what it is.
Price and club he has gone to seems odd.
2.) 20 Jun 2023 19:26:24
Brad, I just read he signed up to the same agency as ETH, who supposedly promised him a move to the Eridivisie.
3.) 20 Jun 2023 19:51:42
I was surprised Zidane didn't get more chances but maybe there is a bigger picture. I remember we were linked with Taylor Booth from utrecht I hope there is maybe a trade off there somehow.
4.) 20 Jun 2023 19:36:18
Noucamp, interesting. It also sounds like they have negotiated a significant sell on clause.
Maybe they are allowing a lesser fee and if he is a success we may get a decent return in a few years time.
5.) 20 Jun 2023 21:04:37
What a joke of a fee, loan him out .
6.) 20 Jun 2023 21:20:19
I’d have thought even with a decent sell on clause he’d have demanded more than that based on potential.
7.) 21 Jun 2023 08:31:10
wrd - not a great fee granted but better than keeping a player, who won't get the minutes to shine and pay him wages only to either lose for free. Multiply it by the many, younguns we have and it all adds up. We are man utd football club and as harsh as it sounds we don't have charitable status.
8.) 21 Jun 2023 12:37:29
What is the point in keeping him, it's clear that he isn't going to get any game time.
1 million EUROS for a player that has played 1 game for Manchester United is a decent amount.
9.) 21 Jun 2023 12:58:26
Would a youngster in the same position at Real, Barcelona or City command more…. I think they would. Listen, I’m all for getting rid don’t get me wrong, but it does seem we are potentially taking pittance for players when other sides are always banging a bit on.
10.) 21 Jun 2023 20:00:43
Zidane got a right earful from EtH in training a few weeks ago, seems like he had had enough and told United to get rid regardless of the fee. Manager's succeed or fail on these decisions.
11.) 21 Jun 2023 20:31:20
Well let's see if he does achieve anything in his career.
27 May 2023 21:48:42
Diogo Costa, Kim Min Jae, Frimpong, and Kane would be a fantastic summer window.
1.) 28 May 2023 05:09:10
Rather get a midfielder over frimpong.
2.) 28 May 2023 08:08:04
100% backpass, with Casemiro and Eriksen being 31 (turning 32) next season and with only Fred, McTominay and Donny as back up, that is nowhere near good enough and we have struggled when one of Casemiro or Eriksen are missing.
Whereas, Dalot and even AWB (after the WC) have been solid enough.
3.) 28 May 2023 08:09:12
midfielder definitely coming in imo. depending on departures might see 2 incoming unless club thinks someone from youth ranks is ready to step in and get minutes.
4.) 28 May 2023 11:44:18
I don't see a change at GK or maybe RB at least this summer.
Although I think he should definitely be the main target this window I don't think Levy will sell Kane for less than around £120m which becomes unviable. Bayern paid up to £34m (with add-ons) for Mane, of course he was worth much more but Liverpool knew he'd walk away for free at the end of the season. I don't think we can expect any such favours from Levy. I genuinely think he'd rather keep him than take the more realistic £70-80m, and spend the season trying to convince him to stay.
I have no idea who should be the main striker target in this scenario. I haven't seen enough of Muani or Ramos. Osimhen comes up a lot but maybe the wrong type of player. Interestingly Chelsea are still being linked with pretty much all of them. They still have Lukaku to deal with, and have Nkunku coming in who is a great player. Still no further to having a reliable out-and-out no.9 though. Maybe Poch is a Lukaku fan.
I don't think we can scrimp in this position. Ferguson/ Hjoland would be nice as secondary signings or further afield but not as the main man.
5.) 28 May 2023 12:25:18
Spenno, in 33 days time DDG will be out of contract. As will both Heaton and Butland (loan ended) . While Henderson is only interesting in staying if he is guaranteed to be No.1, so he will likely leave.
So, with a good chance that at least three if not all four first team goalkeepers leaving this summer I'd be stunned and utterly flabbergasted if we didn't sign at least one keeper this summer.
Whether we spend big on a first choice or whether we buy a cheaper back up keeper is the only thing that is really up for debate.
6.) 29 May 2023 16:02:44
Isnt DDG signing a 2 year extension and we are signing Meslier?
20 Aug 2022 20:02:56
Apologies if this has been covered but can anyone confirm if this Casemiro deal was a long running thing or right out of the blue?
{Ed002's Note - Casemiro had been offered to a couple of Premier League clubs including MU and given all prefered targets were moving elsewhere, not available or not interested, they agreed the transfer.
1.) 21 Aug 2022 13:11:30
Was rabiot ahead of Casemiro on that pecking order?
{Ed002's Note - He had not been offered at that point.}
2.) 21 Aug 2022 13:48:29
Ed with the signing of Casemiro does it mean we are not pursuing Frenkie anymore?
Or are they unrelated, and have we moved onto second options since Frenkie doesn't want to come to us?
Thanks a million ed.
{Ed002's Note - They are unrelated as they play in different positions. de Jong does not wa nt to move to Manchester United.}
3.) 21 Aug 2022 13:54:24
Cheers Ed, I thought it all seemed too efficient for our board to pull off.
Any chance we’re being offered a striker, midfielder, right back and goalkeeper?
4.) 21 Aug 2022 14:06:32
Ed002, was Casemiro being offered around a directive from Real Madrid or from the player?
{Ed002's Note - The club who are loking to lower the age and have added AT.}
5.) 21 Aug 2022 15:04:48
Ed so th3 club hasn't moved on yet. That is pathetic and I think we should just go all out for SmS.
6.) 21 Aug 2022 15:06:14
Ed002,
1. Are United still looking to add another central midfielder right as an alternative to Frenkie De Jong?
2. Or are the club prioritizing other positions like winger/ striker and another central midfielder signing is unlikely?
3. Are reports of a 80mil euro bid by United for Antony in recent weeks accurate?
{Ed002's Note -
1. Yes
2. It doesn't wok like that.
3. Yes.
7.) 21 Aug 2022 15:50:08
Thanks ed. I'm happy to hear that there will be more incomings.
8.) 21 Aug 2022 19:19:45
Ed - who are the possible other midfielders the club will look to sign?
{Ed014's Note - Tielemens and Ward Prowse! ???
9.) 21 Aug 2022 19:39:29
The worrying thing is I could see that happening!
{Ed014's Note - I’d doubt it mate to be honest, I don’t really think they’re that daft.
We’re supposed to be after a couple more but literally no idea who they’re looking at and to be honest I’m never bothered about stuff like that I just wait and see.
10.) 21 Aug 2022 18:55:03
Thanks for the quick reply Ed002. If we can come out of this window with midfield surgery and a forward/ right back I'd consider it a success.
29 Jul 2022 15:38:03
I really hope the rumours of Fabián Ruiz are true. I've thought for a while he'd be a decent player to have in the Premier league. He'd be a very suitable replacement for Matic.
I get that Ten Hag wants FDJ at all costs etc but if we could get Ruiz for the reported £42m then it's a no brainer. Very good player.
1.) 29 Jul 2022 15:53:08
I tend to agree and think he'd be a suitable alternative to FDJ if that deal isn't able to be concluded.
Personally I think Fabian Ruiz better fits EtH than SMS who is another of the often touted alternatives. Although personally I feel that SMS is much like Pau Torres, a club target the predates EtH and might not be some the new manager really wants to pursue.
Or at least Fabian Ruiz's skillset more closely aligns with that of FDJ.
If we could do a deal that includes Ronaldo then that could be a two birds with one stone situation.
2.) 29 Jul 2022 16:01:20
I wouldn’t mind both players to be honest. Two different midfielders who would both instantly improve our team.
Savic definitely does seem like a club target though.
3.) 29 Jul 2022 20:03:30
Shappy. Why would CR7 go to Napoli? Although they are in CL they may be packed in a group of death and chance of finishing 3rd in the group is high. So effectively CR7 will again play in Europa league in few months time. Atleast in United he is on insane wages, he has to reduce his wages if he goes to Napoli.
He probably prefer a team who has high chance of going far in the CL or even winning it.
{Ed014's Note - what he prefers and what those clubs in with a chance of winning the champions league want are two totally different things.
4.) 29 Jul 2022 20:20:52
Don't think anyone cares what you think personally shappy. Think they are more concerned with what the manager thinks. And rightly so, whoever he asks for, should be attempted to be attained.
5.) 29 Jul 2022 20:43:01
Jeez RedWhiskey, there's no need for that.
6.) 30 Jul 2022 07:47:25
Wow RedWhiskey, whose p. ed in your Macallen?
If we're not going to give opinions then this site will become very slow.
I didn't say the club should sign Ruiz, just that in my opinion he is closer in style of play to FDJ than SMS is. Which if we are looking for an alternative to FDJ then Ruiz would make more sense than SMS.
I've repeatedly said that the best signings we can make this summer are the ones the new manager wants.
However, that said the reality is his top target FDJ might not be attainable this summer. So alternatives will probably need to be sought. Obviously an alternative that the manager approves of.
7.) 30 Jul 2022 17:47:16
It's been one of themes of this summer, it doesn't matter what XYZ thinks its the managers choice that's important.
8.) 30 Jul 2022 19:59:26
I didn't mean it in any malice. Simply that what is most important is getting who the manager wants. Rumours are flying around everywhere and we all jump on them I'd like this I'd like that. Ultimately it doesn't matter who we want, it matters who the manager wants.
9.) 30 Jul 2022 21:43:15
Don't worry RedWhiskey, I didn't take it personally. I agree that the most important thing is we sign who the manager wants.
I just enjoy discussing the other options we are linked with.
10.) 31 Jul 2022 16:26:29
My biggest worry is TH is fixated with Ajax or Dutch players, I appreciate he needs to get the players he wants, but I would have hoped he had a dossier on players of other teams countries…that to me is a little of a worry…. We seen with DVB who was supposedly good at Ajax over hear is is very poor and he had plenty of chances….
11.) 31 Jul 2022 17:31:31
We have 2 Dutch players in the squad, one of them is Chong who has been here for years. Obsessed.
12.) 31 Jul 2022 17:52:05
Yeah god forbid we bring players from the Eredivisie to United, it'd be terrible to have to watch players like RvN, RvP, Stam, Park etc at United.
13.) 31 Jul 2022 18:13:30
Oh yeah but you forgot, Depay, Patrick Kluivert, Meijer, Boogers, Janssen,
DVB, . But Brains that’s not what I am saying is it, I’m saying every player he linked with is Ajax/ Dutch could just be lazy jounos but there are other players out there instead of making Ajax the richest club in the world!
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21 Jul 2024 17:43:41
Anyone else think that we might have a very good striker in Joe Hugill. He has featured in the last couple of pre seasons and his finishing is decent.
I expect he could play some cup matches this season.
1.) 21 Jul 2024 19:52:05
The issue with Hugill is that he is exclusively a goal scorer, albeit a very good one, he does not really get involved with any other aspects of the game. If you are creating plenty of opportunities it's fine, but given our service to the striker he might need to expand his game somewhat.
Having said that no reason why he should not get a chance to show what he can do, he is almost 21 so something needs to start happening for him.
2.) 21 Jul 2024 20:04:04
Possibly time will tell think he needs to add strength. Thought Wheatley looked decent nice flick on then was found with a pass and could easily have scored on another day obviously without the goal hugill got but for me looked ahead in terms of development. Still encouraging, and also the possibility of the arsenal youngster joining.
3.) 21 Jul 2024 20:23:15
Too early to say.
4.) 22 Jul 2024 06:18:53
Unfortunately for players like Hugill and McNeill, they were very good at youth level, but found the transition to senior football difficult.
They will have a decent career in football, but probably Championship is their ceiling.
5.) 22 Jul 2024 07:56:12
McNeill has signed for Wednesday so a god chance for him to knuckle down in a tough league and kick on.
Wheatley looked neat and tidy for Utd, has a good chance. As per comments above, at almost 21, Hugill needs to start kicking on now with a good loan and get some proper league experience.
6.) 22 Jul 2024 09:50:27
Neither hugil or Whalton will be at the club in 18 months.
Neither will play 50 games for united imo.
7.) 22 Jul 2024 10:51:51
Hugill looks like a decent young player, but unless he has a rapid burst in his development he won't make it at United.
Like McNeil he needs to go somewhere to play regularly now and show what he can do.
Wheatley looks to have jumped ahead of him in the pecking order despite being nearly three years younger.
I think it's too soon to say whether Wheatley will make it, although the odds are against him, especially with the club signing Højlund and Zirkzee in the last two summer windows. Two young strikers who are head of him and if successful won't be going anywhere anytime soon. While we typically tend to play with just the one striker.
So Wheatley will have to both do something special AND probably have to see one of Højlund or Zirkzee not make it at the club to work his way into the team.
While we are apparently looking at signing a 16 year old striker from Arsenal to keep the production line going.
8.) 22 Jul 2024 18:34:56
Looks like he’s off on loan, along with Vitek.
25 May 2024 19:49:31
I love football, and for tonight I'm Ten Hag in.
14 May 2024 15:55:47
Not sure if anyone's familiar with the guy, but just seem Al Foran the impressions bloke on X say that Fernandes has been our modern day Bryan Robson.
I nearly fell off my chair!
Do fans actually watch these players? The more I see on social media and on here, the more I wonder if people actually watch football or just follow the latest narrative.
1.) 14 May 2024 16:26:50
Which one player would you say has encapsulated Manchester United overall in the post-Fergie era?
2.) 14 May 2024 16:41:29
Falcao was quite horrible and what a waste of money. Schweinsteiger a close second. dvb at the moment a reflection of buying absolute useless player for a crazy price.
Comparative to rest of the squad fernandes is our modern day pele lol.
3.) 14 May 2024 17:09:30
I remember thinking we'd got a steal for VdB that didn't seem a crazy price at all on the back of a brilliant season. He was the unsung gem in that Ajax team with de Ligt and de Jong getting the headlines.
Sad to say we've not seen a glimpse of what he was. I mean, not one thing. Can't put my finger on it. He was even woeful when he got a loan away. A simplistic view but maybe just not cut out for the faster, more physical Prem.
4.) 14 May 2024 17:22:05
Spot on 2 Tom's.
5.) 14 May 2024 17:30:07
Spennno,
It's Martial for me.
• Overpaid
• Little to no effort
• Doesn't work hard for the badge
• Could be so much better
• Rarely available
• Doesn't do much when he is
I think you can apply that to a lot of players we've had over the past ten years, and he's been with us for most of them.
07 May 2024 20:24:21
Watching Dortmund tonight, Sancho looks so comfortable and confident in that side.
What would be peoples preferance, bring him back or stick with Antony on the right?
I can't see us selling Sancho, Antony and Greenwood in one window so we're going to be using at least one of them next season.
1.) 07 May 2024 21:36:51
Greenwood is by far the best, for me.
We’ll drag all three out until the penultimate day of the window and keep just Antony.
2.) 07 May 2024 21:38:31
Greenwood to lead the RW.
Sell the rest, prote from within thereafter.
3.) 07 May 2024 22:14:44
Have niether at the club
The guy doesn’t deserve to be here he’s had chances
Was sent away to go find himself then thrown a tantrum when all the manager said was “he’s not been picked based on training”
Then decides to post all over socials
Get him gone.
4.) 07 May 2024 22:22:13
Dortmund play to his strengths, he’s not a traditional direct pacey one vs one winger. He plays best with runners from midfield offering passing options, with him tucking in slightly.
5.) 08 May 2024 07:14:32
18 games, 3 goals, 1 assist, poor trainer, big time Charlie, stinking attitude.
Time to move on.
6.) 08 May 2024 08:47:47
Greenwood - we have done this to death with very differing opinions. Just sell him to the highest bidder and move on
Sancho - multiple managers have had issues with him (even at Dortmund previously) . I do not believe he is right for the premier league even though he is obviously a very good player. Sell to the highest bidder or do a deal with Dortmund but let's not get our pants pulled down.
Anthony - 2 seasons in and we have not seen the player that was very good at Ajax. Another that is obviously a good player but not cut out for the premier league. Sell for whatever we can get and have to take a loss.
Biggest fear on all the above is we end up having to loan them out and have an asset that is diminishing in value. I hope the new leadership group make quick decisions and get some deals done.
7.) 08 May 2024 08:52:32
Samcho’s days are numbered, and great to see that he is perceived to be having a good loan spell at Dortmund, which will help us maximise his value when we sell him.
Greenwood is a totally different conversation we’ve had multiple times. I’m not qualified to say what he’s like in the dressing room though or what his personality is likely to have an impact on the squad there.
8.) 08 May 2024 12:39:36
By all accounts Getafe have been told by Utd (according to club president) that Utd will be trying to sell Greenwood. His loan may well end and he'll still be a Utd player at that point but he won't be stepping foot back at the club again. They may push for another loan, which I hope isn't the case as we need to raise some spending money. Shame, a player wno can play in any forward position and has done so for them. Just what we could do with.
9.) 08 May 2024 14:13:58
It's a source of terrible frustration spenno.
He is a better player imo than any of our forwards but it just seems likely that he will be sold.
It's such a shame that things turned out the way they did.
I hope he finds a great move and that he fulfills his potential.
I'd like to see him swith intl allegiance too so he can experience intl football too.
I really do wish him and his young family a great future and hope they gain the strength to get over all their personal history.
20 Apr 2024 14:58:30
I was at the u21's match against spurs today.
A few good youngsters in there.
Sonny Aljofree at CB had a decent game, didn't stop talking to his defence and midfielders all game. Looks comfortable on the ball too. Jayden Kamason at RB didn't put a foot wrong, put 100% into every tackle and won most of them. Ruben Curley in the middle looked good, got on the score sheet too. No.9 Gabriele Biancheri was a nuisance all match. Didn't give their defence a minutes peace. Got a goal too.
The main one who stood out was no.7 Ethan Williams. Constantly wanted the ball. The first half he was a constant threat, bit quieter in the second but has the look of a young Grealish about him.
Overall not a bad game to watch.
24 Jun 2024 18:12:52
Bit ignorant of me but can someone fill me in? What was Ruud like as manager? I didn’t see any of his reign in the Dutch league. What would he bring to the table?
And to answer your question Grim, Ruud was the best natural goal scorer but Cole is my favourite. Always questioned during his time and will always be remembered for the misses against West Ham when Blackburn won the league. One of the best in that era though.
02 Jun 2024 20:53:55
We’re not getting anywhere near that amount for Fernandes Wallace.
25 May 2024 20:48:26
He’s the spit of Greenwood. Fantastic talent.
22 Mar 2024 21:10:39
Dbrooks90, who would’ve you had instead of Maguire for England? Have you actually watched him play for England? He’s not been that bad.
08 Nov 2023 12:28:03
You can’t put Tevez in the same sentence as Cantona surely?!
22 Jul 2024 18:34:56
Looks like he’s off on loan, along with Vitek.
20 Jul 2024 21:12:46
While I’m not getting my knickers in a twist about the signings (young and need time) I am very optimistic about the structure above EtH and his new coaching team.
Less injuries, a settled back line and some better coaching should see us competing for top 4.
Zirkzee and Hojlund will be getting coach by Ruud this season. Not many better to learn from.
03 Jul 2024 11:12:36
funkypigeon1, have you been on the sauce this early?
20 Jun 2024 20:23:02
The narrowest team possible Salford?
15 Jun 2024 13:37:31
Putting Branthwaite in beside Martinez will help his development. Martinez is the type to make players around him better.