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08 Jul 2024 22:17:07
New £45m plus £5m add on bid in for Jarrod Branthwaite. I have felt that £55m top is enough for us to go to, I imagine Everton will reject this offer but apparently Branthwaite wants the move so could happen at some point I feel.
1.) 08 Jul 2024 22:26:17
No way Everton sell for 55 million i'm Everton fan we want aleast 75 million which still robbery considering you paid 80 for maguire. He will be better then stones and can see him going real in year time if he stays. Think utd be awful move for him he be better of at city.
2.) 09 Jul 2024 05:20:11
WRD
Won't be happening.
He apparently 'wants' the move, but he won't make things difficult for Everton, presumably because he knows that City would certainly pay that requested fee for yet another left-footed CB next summer.
United need to drop that bid, wait for the deserved rejection, and just move on. Imagine we haggle on this all summer and don't get it over the line because Everton are doing precisely what they should, then what?
As great a prospect as Branthwaite is, there is better value out there - Arsenal's next signing Calafiori being a great example.
United need to box clever and doing the routine 'United' dance this summer will certainly give fans reason enough to get irritated.
If SJR's reign is different, then we move on after this bid.
3.) 09 Jul 2024 05:32:38
Settle down Bretto, he has had one good season, doesn't make him worth silly money.
Unless you are Chelsea, the age of paying ridiculous fees for players is over.
4.) 09 Jul 2024 06:42:32
The cost of Maguire has nothing to do with the cost of Branthwaite.
Also Maguire is currently the better player.
5.) 09 Jul 2024 07:53:08
Wazza,
I think that's an insult to Branthwaite ?.
6.) 09 Jul 2024 08:11:59
No chance he’s worth £80m just cz we overpaid for Maguire, £55m I think is fair value for a prospect with 1 good year under his belt, but like the above said just move onto the next unless we have a further bid in mind and we do seem to be doing business smarter this summer. If the player is keen to come then he may have to voice this to help push a move through, I don’t see how City is a good move, more than enough CBs there already.
7.) 09 Jul 2024 09:04:52
I think City or even Spurs will gazump us anyway around the 60 -63 mill mark. He has had one good season, and comparing his price to Maguires price is daft- clubs moving on from that nonsense now. Chelsea threw money at centre halfs these last 2 seasons and have ended up with nothing to show for it Not too bothered if we miss out on him now because it feels like we might actually have a plan B or C now with this new management team.
8.) 09 Jul 2024 10:07:43
Personally I think todibo and braithwaite were are number 1 targets for the 2 cbs positions
De ligt was something that just came about out the blue that is an opportunity in the market you can’t pass up
With the todibo deal dead in the water
I still think we will come back with another offer once we get the de ligt and zirkzee deals done
Maybe even after trying to get ugarte.
Think we need to make sales before we go back in for a 3rd offer maybe Everton will come down and be flexible with the 60/ 70 million price and settle at 50/ 60
We can offer some addons and goals that would be achievable given his age.
We still have the likes of
Erickson
Caseimiro
Mctominay
Maguire
Linder
Who we can consider selling if there are teams interested
Selling greenwood for 25 million will add quite a lot of onto the psr with him being 100 percent profit when we sell him.
9.) 09 Jul 2024 12:30:35
Bretto, let me get this straight, if I pay a taxi driver 40% more than the going rate for a trip, you'd be completely fine and expect all of your taxi fees to be 40% more afterwards?
United massively overpaid for Maguire, everyone knows it, and you can't base the value of any future signings on one club over paying for a player once.
Branthwaite like any player is only worth what another club will pay for him.
If 60m is the maximum anyone is prepared to pay for him this summer then he's worth 60m. Now Everton might choose not to sell at that price in the hope that he might be worth more in the future, or because they'd rather keep him in the side.
However, if he has a poor year next season, or god forbid suffers a serious injury then he'll be worth less than the highest bid made for him this summer. It's very much a gamble when a club chooses to keep hold of a young player in the hope that he'll be worth more next summer.
Personally I think United are doing the right thing, they are sorting deals for players like Zirkzee and Ugarte, deals that are fairly straight forward to complete, and improve the squad in key areas.
The reports have been all year that United ideally want at least two CB's this summer, with Martinez being the only one they deem as good enough and a long term option. Unfortunately he has spent nearly 50% of his time at the club out injured. Which is a concern and a big reason why the club feels they need a minimum of two CB's this summer.
I think the original plan was to Chase Branthwaite as the big signing they want to make, while having a deal for Todibo sitting in the back which would be easy to tie up. They could sign Todibo when the timing was right and if need chase Branthwaite all summer. If it meant getting him on deadline day it wasn't a problem as they will have already got one CB across the line.
However, UEFA's ruling seems to have put the kibosh on that plan, with the clubs response seemingly to try and take advantage of a situation in the market where they could sign MdL for a similar fee to what they would probably have paid for Todibo.
I'd expect we'll see deals for the likes of Zirkzee, Ugarte and MdL be tied up within the next two weeks. Probably once their international sides are no longer competing at tournaments.
The club will then likely switch focus to selling players and getting money in and clearing the squad, while continuing to chase Branthwaite for the rest of the summer until they can finalise a deal with Everton.
The fact the club continue to negotiate and make offers suggests that they know Everton will sell at the right price and that it will be lower than their original 75m price tag.
It'll probably come down to agreeing how, when and why certain payments are made. Everton might have to choose between a larger potential final package with bigger total fee, but a smaller up front fee with a large amount tied into to meeting certain markers over the next 3-4 years or so. Or to choose a smaller total package with more paid up front and less dependant on meeting certain targets.
Maybe something like either a 70m total package, with 45m up front and 25m dependant on meeting certain targets, probably with most of that 25m being easier targets and a smaller amount on hard less achievable targets (20m-5m), meaning they'll probably get 65-68m in total.
Or a smaller total package of say 60m, with 50m up front and 10m dependant on fairly achievable targets.
Which kind of deal Everton accept will depend on their financial position, what replacements they can get, and on what sort of deals.
As they say the devil will be in the detail and we aren't likely to ever know the exact details of any deal struck. As always the press will report the highest possible potential figure as they looks more shocking and gets more readership.
I expect United will end up paying somewhere between 50-60m up front, with some add-ons dependant on meeting certain targets. I'd also expect this deal to be concluded later in the window, probably after we come back form our pre-season tour.
10.) 09 Jul 2024 13:52:28
Bretto,
Why do you think he would be better ‘of’ at City? They don’t need a centre half, they have loads, surely he would be better at his age at a club where he will get lots of game time? Or was that your attempt at banter?
11.) 09 Jul 2024 14:56:28
GDS2, City have 4 CB’s in Ake, Dias, Stones and Akanji. Ake plays at LB a lot though so you could say they have 3 CB’s. City also need more HG players so I imagine they’ll be targeting them for CB and replacements for KDB/ Silva and K. Phillips as and when they leave.
12.) 09 Jul 2024 15:34:48
Fuser, you are forgetting Gvardiol who is primarily a centre back, which means they have 5 CB's on their books bought for a combined cost of £242m. Will they really be looking to spend a further 60-80m on Branthwaite?
13.) 09 Jul 2024 19:11:54
I think they play better style then utd he ball playing cb and united don't seem play that way. If he leaves Everton he needs go team who going to compete for trophies and utd aren't at that stage at moment. Look price killman he 40 million and he 27 . Brainwaite is on long term contract. I personally dunno why u aren't going for marc guehi.
14.) 09 Jul 2024 19:34:06
Fuser, if we’ve learned anything this summer, it’s that you can’t replace Kalvin Phillips.
15.) 09 Jul 2024 19:48:45
Think there are a few in for Guehi, maybe we don't want to get into a bidding war.
07 Jul 2024 14:12:37
Looks as though Zirkzee and de Ligt deal are pretty much going to get done. Both Dutch again, is this coincidence and the new structure has identified these 2 players? Ugarte and Branthwaite appear to be the next 2 deals to be worked on, sales and wages off the books look like it'll help in regards Branthwaite especially.
1.) 07 Jul 2024 14:32:04
Both Dutch again?
He’s only bought malacia ?.
2.) 07 Jul 2024 15:26:57
Pretty sure he was counting Antony and Licha as Dutch as well ;)
3.) 07 Jul 2024 16:51:37
Not to forget the much-publicised failed pursuits of de Jong, Timber and Gakpo, any of whom could easily be Utd players now, and disastrous loan of Weghorst, who at least remains one of the most determined players I've seen don the shirt in recent years bless him.
In all seriousness I don't care if there's ten Dutch players out there if they're up to it. Personally though I think this is quite a poor Dutch generation of players but there are a few crackers coming through.
4.) 07 Jul 2024 18:06:14
Yeah I mean Dutch league, Dutch connections where he has worked with them before, there was concerns amongst the fan base that ETH was buying this way, new structure in place and it’s Dutch or having worked with ten hag again. Wondering peoples thoughts on the 2 incoming in particular, I thought I’d written the OP better ?.
5.) 07 Jul 2024 18:34:33
Dumfries has had a good tournament so far.
6.) 07 Jul 2024 18:58:05
Trumours ???.
7.) 07 Jul 2024 20:42:45
I love Dutch football and its players. Have no issue with these signings. Both will be excellent additions.
8.) 07 Jul 2024 22:07:57
At this rate Steve McClaren will be changing his accent again.
9.) 08 Jul 2024 06:42:19
Didnt we only got for De Ligt because the Everton kid was too expensive.
We are also rumoured to be in for Ugarte to replace Casemiro, Kirkez at left back and Neves if Bruno goes.
10.) 08 Jul 2024 08:01:45
Wouldn’t expect Branthwaite to be an option if MdL gets signed, but happy to be corrected. In regards to MdL, he’s a player I’ve always rated and fancied at United. However, he has to be scrutinised to within an inch of his life medically. We don’t want another Varane.
The bits I’ve seen with Zirkzee haven’t filled me full of excitement I have to say. But there’s room for improvement and we need options up top as Rasmus is far far from the finished article. It would be highly controversial, but if we could sign Weghorst for pennies then I’d take him as well. As an impact substitution he offers a different option imo. He can’t hit a barn door, but he’s a nuisance and he always tried in a United shirt.
11.) 08 Jul 2024 08:49:25
FiremanC, why do we need to sign Weghorst for that?
I've been saying for over a year now, but stick McTominey up front. He'd do everything Weghorst did, but he's actually a decent finsher too.
Obviously not suggesting he become our new first choice number 9, but I do reckon he'd be solid as cover/ rotation up front.
12.) 08 Jul 2024 08:54:58
Rumours are United ideally want two CB's, I think Branthwaite might well happen yet, but it'll be later in the window once the club have sold a few players.
CB, CM and ST are the three key positions, with a second CB and maybe another CM if budget allows and depending on departures.
I think the club went for Branthwaite first hoping they could take advantage of Everton's PSR issues. Which it turned out weren't as bad as initially thought. When it became clear that they couldn't get him cheap I think they've placed that deal on the back burner as maybe their second CB signing which will come after a few sales are made.
MdL seems to have come a out since UEFA effectively blocked any move for Todibo. With a move for the Frenchman looking impossible the club needed to find an alternative that wouldn't break the bank.
Personally I think Todibo would be the better option if possible, he seems more suited to the role we are looking for. I have a few concerns over MdL. Yet there are limited options available who are the right profile, available within our budget and willing to join us right now.
As of right now, it looks like Zirkzee and MdL will be tied up in the next week or two. It might have to wait until the Netherlands are out of the Euros. It also looks likely that Ugarte will sign once Uruguay are out of the Copa as well.
Three signings who all look like smart signings where the club have taken advantage of various factors to get better value for money. Which is a nice change of pace.
I'd expect once those three are through the door the focus will switch towards getting players out of the club. With moves later in the window for Branthwaite seems very likely. As well as moves for another player or two depending on departures.
13.) 08 Jul 2024 09:38:43
I don't see us buying both Branthwaite and de Ligt. £100m for the pair when we need so much. Maybe missed a trick by swerving Tosin.
We'll mysteriously buy Todibo from West Ham or wherever he ends up next season.
14.) 08 Jul 2024 10:09:37
We won’t be getting Branthwaite and MdL. I’d put money on it.
15.) 08 Jul 2024 13:00:09
Shappy
The club does not value BR at 70 million and neither do I. don't get your crush with this guy lol. We will buy someone else imo. You don't have to get skinned and taken to the cleaners to buy a good Centre back. Look at ven der ven. If he stays he will go a year or two from now at 40 mill or less. Personally would pay 50 mill for Onana from everton but not for BR.
Grim
De ligt buy has nothing to do with BR imo.
in General the fan base likes to moan just to moan. Kerkez also from Dutch league btw Az Alkmaar.
God forbid we sign a player who passed through the Dutch league:) ronaldinho, Zlatan, Stam, RVN, RVP, bergkamp and can go on and on oh yeah forgot gullit, seidorf, etc etc etc. Always interested to hear who we should buy instead at the price we are shopping at.
Finally has a single player with high transfer cost in the last 10 years turned out to be a success at United?
Reality is 40% to 50% of all transfers do not work out. what kills you is when you buy very pricey and then add big wages on top to it. That's what United of old did. You can't shift them and stuck with them.
16.) 08 Jul 2024 13:48:55
Bruno turned out okay Ahmad, he cost £57m including the adds he hit.
17.) 08 Jul 2024 15:56:29
Don't think it's a Dutch thing Ahmad as much as an EtH seeming to only want players he'd previously worked with. None of them really seemed to be working out initially (and mostly still aren't) so I can get the frustration when there seem to be better players avail in the same bracket. I get that it's maybe more a character thing, EtH could vouch for the personalities he was getting in a time when the temperaments of a few players were being questioned.
Happy for others to now oversee the player recommendations, but feel the manager should always get final sign-off once presented with the shortlist.
18.) 08 Jul 2024 17:12:55
GRim
TBH 57 is not the range that I was thinking. its the guys at 75 and up. Actually most teams that have forked out silly prices on players like barca, psg, athletico, United, Chelsea have all lived to regret it. We already did the dumb thing with Antony.
I am not a fan of paying silly prices based on one season on any player that is not even that convincing. Bruno was lighting it up for 2/ 3 years in a row when we get him and back then was not even a crazy price given where the market was.
There is a lot of hype with British players and many turn out to be tulips and very average imo.
19.) 08 Jul 2024 19:24:52
The problem Ahmad is that we need to bring in "homegrown" players with the likes of Heaton, Evans, Maguire, AWB, and McTominay all likely to leave by next summer.
Leaving just Mount, Shaw and Rashford. Meaning we will need to look to bring in 3 to 4 homegrown players or not be able to name a full 25 man squad. While that assume that neither Shaw or Rashford leave over the next couple of windows.
With MdL, Zirkzee and Ugarte looking like three fairly likely signings this summer, and with Olise signing for Bayern. Which homegrown players do you think are good enough to be one of the 3 or 4 we need to sign?
Branthwaite, Guehi, Eze, Ferguson, Gallagher, Bowen, Solanke, Toney, Dwight McNeil, Garner, Doughty, Mitchell, Trafford, Gibbs-White?
That's assuming that we probably won't be able to sign the best homegrown players from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs or Villa.
Either way they will be expensive, and there are few who are or are even potentially good enough.
So what would your plan be maintain 7 homegrown players in our 25 man squad over the next few seasons?
20.) 08 Jul 2024 21:05:26
There are options with homegrown without needing to overpay for the bigger nanes ie Collyer coming through (possibly our next academy promotion to break into the team) ; Frimpong would count; Wharton further down the line. And in other news sure to please most fans, maybe it’s the thing that gives McT a stay of execution!
21.) 08 Jul 2024 23:07:25
Bring Garner and Angel back as Midfield cover. Would be an upgrade on Eriksen and Amrabat. They’d get 30+ appearances if fit and HG and academy graduates.
Same argument for Welbeck.
22.) 08 Jul 2024 23:33:06
Fireman, reports this evening of a second Branthwaite bid going in. Still confident enough to put money on it?
23.) 09 Jul 2024 08:22:38
Confident it'll be rejected. Just depends how how we are willing to go, think Everton will want another £10m in there. Hopefully we move on.
{Ed025's Note - the thing is spenno, if you go to a shop for a loaf of bread and the proprietor says its £1.50 and you offer him 90p he is well within his rights to tell you to sod off mate, pay the money of go shop elsewhere..
24.) 09 Jul 2024 12:47:29
Spenno, you don't have to register players under the age of 21, last year Hojlund wasn't part of our registered squad as he was 20 at the time of squad registration.
Garnacho won't need to be registered until the start of the 2025/ 26 season, and Mainoo until the 2026/ 27 season.
Collyer is 20 and doesn't need to be registered this summer, but like Garnacho would need to be registered ahead of the 2025/ 26 season.
Utd Road, as for bringing back former academy players to be squad cover, we have to remember why they chose to leave in the first place. Also the quickest way to improve a squad is to buy players to replace the best players in the first team forcing players from the current first 11 into becoming the squad players, rather than replacing a player who isn't good enough to be first choice with another player who isn't good enough to be first choice.
We need to be smarter with our signings, spending 40-50m to resign Garner and Angel to sit on our bench would be a terrible use of funds. Especially when for an extra 10m would could just sign a player like Branthwaite who has the potential to be a long-term first choice for the next 8-10 years, and counts as homegrown.
All homegrown players are overpriced and you have to pay a premium for them. If you are going to over pay then it has to be for either a top class player or a player with the potential to be top class. It's madness to over pay for a squad player.
Signing someone like Welbeck I can see the advantages as he's not just homegrown and a former academy player (so knows the club inside and out) but is crucially available on a free.
We have seen that the club weren't prepared to go big and give Tosun a massive contract despite him being both homegrown and available on a free as they didn't see the value in distorting the wage structure by overpaying for what would be a squad option.
Given that they won't pay Tosun an extra 10m over a 5 year deal as they see that wouldn't be in the best interests of the club over the medium to long-term, I can't see them spending a huge amount of money on players like Garner and Angel to come and sit on the bench.
25.) 09 Jul 2024 11:37:16
Fair play Ed. Hope Utd have the sense to do that, other than this new holy grail of being homegrown I'm not seeing much value in this bread!
{Ed025's Note - if i were united i would pass on him Spenno, very talented player though he is you are at this point buying potential mate, we all know how dangerous that is after Sancho and the likes and i dont see the value in it myself..
01 Jul 2024 08:41:10
Dan Ashworth saga is finally over, agreement reached with Newcastle.
1.) 01 Jul 2024 08:54:46
Good, the right outcome, shame it took so long to sort out.
2.) 01 Jul 2024 10:57:58
Glad it has finally been sorted out, now let's get some of these transfers completed.
3.) 01 Jul 2024 11:36:06
Looks like;
de Ligt
Zirkzee
Ugarte
Branthwaite
At the mo.
4.) 01 Jul 2024 13:34:04
Hope he can play left back.
5.) 01 Jul 2024 13:44:00
Another simple case of supporters being frustrated by things they don't know or understand.
It's not quite like the commotion games in real life.
6.) 01 Jul 2024 15:38:08
Ugarte is now being linked with Liverpool by his own agent.
7.) 01 Jul 2024 19:01:46
simo1975
They wanted him last window until psg triggered the release clause. Agents like to stir the pot to get the best deal for their clients.
8.) 01 Jul 2024 19:39:45
I think the Branthwaite train has passed. It may be Zirkzee, Ugarte, de Ligt in the next couple of weeks. Then look at Rabiot, Ait Nouri and maybe Trevoh Challobah late in the window based on sales. Decent window if it turns to be the case. Good experience and depth across the pitch.
9.) 01 Jul 2024 21:01:36
Ryan
What I can safely predict it will be none of the names most people assume given how we are moving forward across all appointments to date. They have been busy putting a detail plan together by the looks of it, leadership and players.
10.) 01 Jul 2024 22:52:52
Fingers crossed Ahmad. Been a while since we had a competent window.
28 Jun 2024 15:25:54
Hi Ed002, hope you've a nice weekend planned. Any truth to the rumours of Ugarte to United?
{Ed002's Note - Manuel Ugarte (DM) Agent has said that the player and PSG may be open to a move if the right offer is made. He has spoken with Chelsea but it is difficult to see if they have a need. He has also spoken with Manchester United, Juventus, Newcastle, Milan, Spurs and Arsenal. I suspect Italy is the most likely destination but PSG might see any sale being dependent on adding Guimaraes although, right now, he appears to be heading elsewhere.}
1.) 28 Jun 2024 17:14:47
I really liked Ugarte at Sporting and whilst it has not worked perfectly at PSG think he would be a really good addition at the right price. Would add some bite in the midfield and he along with Martinez would set the tone for the other players.
I think we will look at the French league for good value depending on what we have to spend, Ugarte and Fofana from Monaco would be great additions.
Yoro/ Todibo if the uefa rules can be got round.
2.) 28 Jun 2024 15:46:23
Thank you Ed, have a good day.
{Ed002's Note - And you.
3.) 28 Jun 2024 21:44:37
Runo off to City Ed?
{Ed002's Note - I don't know what a Runo is.}
4.) 29 Jun 2024 01:40:58
Bruno.
5.) 29 Jun 2024 13:55:45
Ugarte would be a good signing.
6.) 29 Jun 2024 17:03:26
Ugarte is an excellent player who would be a perfectly adequate foil for Mainoo.
However, the suggested interest from Liverpool is concerning.
He'd walk into their midfield as well and they're in the CL - we could only offer better money.
Fingers are crossed though.
7.) 29 Jun 2024 18:04:34
Don’t know much about Ugarte, but from the little I’ve seen, heard and read he does seem like a good fit for what we need.
But let’s be honest, we are not going to be signing him. By the looks of it we don’t have a great deal of money, and so far we’ve been linked to about 50 different players, so who knows the real targets.
Why would a player walk away from a team that wins the league nearly every year and is in the champions league. Historically we would offer him loads and loads of money, which hasn’t worked out well in the past, but with the new regime this is unlikely to happen going forward (which is a good thing) .
I’d imagine we will bring in a couple of average players towards the end of the window. Maybe a loan or two on top.
Unless somebody can work some miracles and sell some of the vast amounts of players we don’t want for more than £5.50. Chelsea are out there generating millions for players who have hardly kicked a ball in the prem, but we can’t even find takers for seasoned internationals. That’s what you get when you give bang average players crazy big contracts I guess.
8.) 30 Jun 2024 11:00:32
Ugarte is an excellent Casemiro replacement. He reads the game brilliantly, he’s a tackling, intercepting machine. He’s retains the ball well as an be seen in his passing stats. He will bring the ball out when taking a pass from the defence. He’s not known for making long forward passes or expansive passing, he’s a player that going to win the ball and give it. As said above an excellent partner for Mainoo and will provide elite level cover for the defence.
18 Jun 2024 10:23:04
Hi Ed002, hope you are well. Does the impending Everton takeover have any affect on our potential move for Jarrad Braintwaite? Do you expect there to be a deal done for him? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No, it won't happen overnight and Everton need to raise funds by June 30. It will be a case of making an acceptable bid before then.}
1.) 18 Jun 2024 14:58:53
I guess outside on Branthwaite, Everton's other best assets are at the Euro's in Pickford and Onana which would make getting any deals done for them completed by June 30th almost impossible therefore putting us in a stronger position to agree a deal for Brathwaite.
It's a real shame that clubs are in a position where they have to sell top players but I guess it's also there own fault although I don't completely understand Everton's position.
2.) 18 Jun 2024 21:36:34
We should be terrified about the potential JB signing if he is anywhere near the "quality" of Pickford :D.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think Pickford is the best keeper tombomb...but he is 20 times better than Onana mate..
3.) 18 Jun 2024 22:31:18
Bahahahahaha ed025.
4.) 19 Jun 2024 12:53:45
Agree ed025.
5.) 19 Jun 2024 19:58:52
Very nice, Ed025 - hard to argue against that!
Welsh Red Devil's banter posts with other poster's replies to Welsh Red Devil's banter posts
11 Jul 2024 08:32:29
Hopefully some movement on transfers now that Netherlands and Uruguay are out.
On a separate note, how jammy are England, dodgy pen, easy routes, the usual stuff, come on Spain ?, I jest, sort of, but fair play, can only beat what's in front of you, hopefully the Southgate haters are off his back now after crucifying him all tournament.
See that Darwin stuff too against the Colombian fans, ran over with a steel chair like he was in WWE then also like in WWE threw some fake punches, you'd imagine a ban incoming.
{Ed001's Note - Darwin stuff? The Colombian fans attacked the Uruguay players' families. They were pelting small children with objects and Valverde's mother ended up in hospital. All Darwin and the rest of the players did was try and protect their families. You can see Valverde's missus holding a small child in her arms (I assume their kid) and they are still throwing stuff at her. It is a disgrace the way it is being reported, rather than being pointed out how bad the organisers have failed with a World Cup due to be played there soon.}
1.) 11 Jul 2024 08:58:48
Ha. Agree not a pen, thought Dumfries did well. But thought we shaded it.
Can't say I didn't afford myself a satisfied smile seeing Koeman afterwards. I wonder what VAR would have made of a few of his challenges over the years including Platt.
Hopefully movement on de Ligt / Zirkzee in the coming days if they've cheered up a bit. Didn't realise how tall Zirkzee was.
2.) 11 Jul 2024 09:39:39
Disgraceful to see families targeted like that.
Nunez isn't a small lad, I bet those fans wish it was WWE with fake punches. And under the circumstances I don't blame him at all.
3.) 11 Jul 2024 09:19:13
You're not wrong Ed but to be fair Nunez trying to launch a chair into the crowd or Bentancur throwing a bottle (which hit a Uruguayan in the head and cut him open) hardly helps their case in the reporting of that happened!
{Ed001's Note - I don't have a problem with them mentioning those things, as part of a balanced report, but there is no balance. The BBC report is a hit piece which basically made it sound like Nunez had waded in to attack Colombian fans for no reason. Personally I think Nunez's response is mild when you consider he has small children in danger.}
4.) 11 Jul 2024 10:06:32
I was screaming penalty as soon as Kane went down. Those challenges where a player kicks the foot of a player with studs up are always given in the middle of the park so why shouldn't it be given in the penalty area? Correct decision.
5.) 11 Jul 2024 10:29:50
Saying ‘Darwin stuff’ as it got my topic across quickly, apologies I did not including every detail, as you say the reports are fairly lop sided. The whole situation involving kids was terrible and will be interesting to see what action is taken against the organisers, fans targeting them, we have seen in the Euros too I don’t know how many singular pitch invaders, thankfully mainly for selfies with players but you never know what could happen. So I do get the defending of families and teammates part of it as done been scary scenes but you still can’t have players climbing into the stands throwing punches and running at fans with a steel chair, it will just further incite, they should’ve all been safely ushered off the field as quickly as possible.
Same Spenno regards Zirkzee, towered over other players if felt like lol. But yeah England overall were the better team especially that first half. Be interesting to see if Southgate starts Shaw now and reverts to a back 4 considering how effective the 3 at the back formation was working especially how it brought the best out of Foden.
6.) 11 Jul 2024 13:33:22
I have to say if it was my family and young kids in there, there is no man on this earth that would have ushered me off. I would have found something better than a chair too. It was a disgrace and should have been sorted by the stewards/ police without players having to do it for them.
I don’t blame Nunez in the slightest.
7.) 11 Jul 2024 14:42:42
Get far in life using violence to counteract violence won’t we or condoning violence from players. Everyone jumps down throats cz they don’t like an opinion, happening more regular on here. 10 plus years I’ve been on here and the site used to be could have debate whether we agreed or not but now it’s full of targeting cz you don’t agree, exactly how live chat got ruined and quite frankly I can’t be arsed having to justify my posts when they are just opinion or pre cursor what I’m saying cz it might offend someone’s precious feelings. It’s time for me to bin this forum off, thanks Ed002 for your long standing info, thanks to some of the long standing posters and Eds who know how to have banter, I won’t be back tho.
8.) 11 Jul 2024 15:48:21
WrD.
Relex what do you care what people think. Make your points as you always do some random half brain shouldn't deter you from posting.
Don't be too sensitive.
I can't think of one poster here not dripping in hypocrisy or double standards so don't worry about it.
There is a fair chance your twice as intelligent as most. ??.
9.) 11 Jul 2024 16:56:15
Shouldntt feel too sorry for the Colombian fans -it was Nunez after all, his first 6 punches missed the targets.
10.) 11 Jul 2024 17:26:43
It's wrong to do what he did. I'm sure they will be punished. It was an emotional reaction it doesn't show any of them in a good light but understandable to go to protect lived ones and friends. But I'm not sure he entered an area to protect looks like he went on the attack but its hard to know. My thoughts would be if your going in to protect your loved ones you would go to them 1st not towards an area where they are being attacked from. Understand they were afraid for their loved ones but obviously they were not thinking clearly for that 2 minutes and I can't blame them for that.
Personally I hope that they are only banned for intl matches but in todays world I think it will be more severe than that. Hopefully nothing like the draconian sentence passed down to Cantona.
11.) 12 Jul 2024 00:32:30
The video of him throwing the chair is not a great look at all and I would assume he will be in a lot of trouble no matter the circumstances.
02 Jul 2024 11:46:46
Seems like we have the green light from PSG and the player to go ahead for a move for Manuel Ugarte (providing he's not injured after last night) apparently we just need to put in an acceptable bid.
Zirkzee seems like his clause is active if it applies to prem teams and we are in pole position ahead of Milan.
De Ligt, also seems just an acceptable bid needs to be made to Bayern.
A fair way between agreement between United and Everton regarding Branthwaite but he is keen on the move.
These are obvs reports so don't know how exactly true they are and I'm sure we need to move a few on also.
How would posters feel if these 4 players were our signings this summer?
1.) 02 Jul 2024 12:24:28
I don't see both De Ligt and Branthwaite, I reckon the former is the contingency plan if Everton don't budge on their hilarious valuation. I'd prefer de Ligt myself but I know there are a few here who are experts on his fitness history and turning circle. :D
I hadn't heard of Zirkzee until a few weeks ago so can't pass judgement there, I had hoped we'd get a more experienced striker in otherwise who's passing on the wisdom to Rasmus, who looks a long way off to me but is on the way.
Ugarte is my kinda player, no fuss, gets on with it and can put the boot in. A little terrier in midfield.
2.) 02 Jul 2024 13:04:09
Ugarte sounds like the midfield equivalent of Martinez.
3.) 02 Jul 2024 17:16:55
Wouldn’t be a bad summer, but I’d rather see a new right back come in instead of two £40m+ center backs. If we do sign De Ligt, I think we’ll cool our interest in Branthwaite and use any leftover funds to bring in Todibo (if the threat of legal action causes UEFA to change their tune) and somebody like Dumfries or Frimpong (we seem to be open to letting Wan Bisaka leave this window, so I can only assume they plan on replacing him) . I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up signing Amrabat on a permanent deal as well, although I’m not entirely convinced that would be a good move.
4.) 02 Jul 2024 19:05:27
Redseven
Now reports saying PSG also in for de ligt. I think if we sign de ligt we will sign a left footer and not another right footer. Todibo as ed002 has said not going to go through due to UEFA ruling.
Unless Everton drop their ask significantly. someone like Inacio has been one of our targets since last year. Need Bruno to give us a helping hand:)
We need a left back more than awb replacement. shaw is not dependable and will get injured again if we can't rest him enough games.
5.) 03 Jul 2024 04:36:01
I know we’re not in the Champions League next season, but still got to believe that we’re a more attractive proposition than PSG (especially now that they’ve lost Mbappe) . As for Todibo, I wouldn’t be surprised if UEFA ends up folding to avoid a public confrontation (especially if there’s any chance of them losing), but I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
This idea that we need a left footed center back seems ridiculous to me. Rio and Vidic were both right footers, and they didn’t do too badly.
I agree that the need for a new left back is just as important as a new RB, but am not really seeing us linked with anybody, nor is there much noise regarding Shaw or Malacia leaving. Unless one of them does (or Malacia is going to be out for another season), it seems unlikely that we’ll bring in another left back this window (especially when Dalot can cover the position) .
I must say I’m a little surprised that we’re not being linked with a new keeper. Onana was dreadful last season and I seem to recall Ed002 saying that Bayındır wanted out. Replacing Onana would be top of my to-do list if it were up to me, although we definitely have issues all over the pitch.
6.) 03 Jul 2024 10:41:55
R7
Onana started badly, but once he got going he really wasn't bad. Not the level we'd like, sure, but given how the team as a whole played, he was facing a lot more shots, and from better positions, than he should have been, and honestly, Onana did moderately well.
I'm not opposed to replacing him, but we desperately need at least one new CB, a CDM, and a second striker at minimum before we even start thinking about a new GK.
Overall, I'd say we really need 2 CBs, 2 CDMs a striker, a LB and probably a RB ahead of a new keeper.
Right now Licha is our only CB who is good enough, Maquire and Lindelof are ok as cover but not good enough as first choice, so we need a new partner for Licha and if either Maguire or Lindelof leave (which looks likely), we will need another backup.
Casemiro is our only proper CDM, and I don't think it's contraversial to say he's passed his best and should be moved on. That will leave us no CDMs, with Bruno, Mount, Mainoo and McTominey in midfield. So we need a new first and second choice CDM.
I really like Rasmus, but we need a second striker to give cover, competition and a rotation option.
Shaw is still good when he's fit, but he's struggled with injuries, and Malacia might be fine as second choice if Shaw could stay fit, but that's unlikely to happen, so we really need another LB.
Dalot and AWB are both OK, but neither is really great, so ideally we'd move one of them on and bring in a new RB. This is arguably not a higher priority than a new GK, but I'd prioritise RB first as Onana has only had one season, and that's been in a team playing terribly and plagued by injuries, so I'd like to see how he does behind a settled defence.
7.) 03 Jul 2024 12:08:33
Disagree on Onana, Thorne. He made some good saves here and there but continued to drop clangers right up until the final day of the season. Had the cup final gone on for another five-ten minutes, I dare say his mistake would have cost us the trophy and Ten Haag his job.
I think CB, CM, and GK are all important positions for us, but suspect that a deal for a keeper would be a lot easier to get over the line than the other two. There are a lot more goalkeepers who are better than Onana than there are CBs better than Maguire or CMs better than Casemiro.
8.) 03 Jul 2024 16:06:49
Yeah, he did continue making obvious mistakes, but he also started making a lot of good saves. He's certainly inconsistent, and I don't trust him not to make the mistakes.
Where I think we really disagree is that I think there are a lot of CBs out there who are a lot better than Maguire, and based on this season, I'd say the same is true of Casemiro. Crucially, I think there are more of them who are likely to be available and obtainable for us.
There are certainly better Keepers out there than Onana, but not as many IMO, and even fewer who would actually be available, and willing to sign for us.
9.) 03 Jul 2024 16:37:48
Onana cost us more points than the rest of our players combined last season, not to mention our place in the knockout stages of the Champions League. There aren’t many goalkeepers I wouldn’t take over him.
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree when it comes to which position (s) take (s) priority, but let’s hope that we can sort out as many of them as possible before the season kicks off.
10.) 03 Jul 2024 17:14:59
To answer the original poster I would be happy with those 4 signings. Personally I am not overly keen on De Ligt but what do I know? Those 4 though I believe would make us stronger than last year and 4 players every season that improve us would get us back in a few years to where I want us to be which is challenging for titles.
30 Jun 2024 09:08:06
Guessing as it is July 1st Everton did not need to sell Branthwaite cheaper than the £70m+ they want and they are safe from PSR/ FFP after their sales. Looks like we may have to stump up or move on, I really hope not on to de Ligt tho, hope rumours on this are false.
1.) 30 Jun 2024 09:42:20
Not sure what part of the world you’re in WRD, but it’s not 10am on 30th June yet.
It may not matter for the transfer, but just letting you know from a sanity perspective ?.
2.) 30 Jun 2024 11:26:21
It might still be the 30th but the deadline for PSR has effectively passed as it's not enough to have a deal agreed, but clubs need the funds transferred into their accounts by midnight tonight.
Trying to get all the contracts and legalities tied up and then transfer massive sums of money on a Sunday will be very difficult if not impossible in most cases.
I doubt any deals will be done today, at least not ones driven by PSR.
3.) 30 Jun 2024 12:25:45
Oh yeah ? thought was July 1st ?.
4.) 30 Jun 2024 13:02:51
WRD ?.
5.) 30 Jun 2024 17:07:37
I’d rather take De Ligt for £30-40m than Branthwaite for £60m+. In fact, based on current ability, I’d probably take De Ligt over Branthwaite even if the price for them both was the same.
6.) 30 Jun 2024 17:59:42
De Ligt is awful.
7.) 30 Jun 2024 19:20:02
The Dutch Harry maguire.
{Ed025's Note - honestly wiggy...there can only be one Harry Maguire mate.. :)
8.) 30 Jun 2024 19:44:19
De Ligt is not the level of player we need. He’s pretty much failed everywhere since his time in Ajax. If you can get him for around 20m then he’d be ok as backup.
There’s a reason why Bayern don’t want him. And Juventus didn’t want him before that.
9.) 30 Jun 2024 20:16:38
Speaking of players, I mentioned nico williams last summer. He is some talent. One of the best players I have seen in this euro so far. Can play both wings with ease.
10.) 30 Jun 2024 21:00:41
I remember the last crap centreback we were linked to. Too short for the Prem, was thd expert analysis. Now our best player.
11.) 30 Jun 2024 22:48:09
De Ligt is a good player, but he's not yet proven himself to be a great one.
Juventus were happy enough to let him leave, and now Bayern are as well.
But even if you put two underwhelming stints at top European clubs to one side. He is still a player who misses between 10-15 games a season on average injured, and is on 250k per week.
Is he more or less likely to pick up injuries in the more physical EPL? After not living up to the billing for Juventus or Bayern is he worth paying 250k per week?
I think he's the kind of signing we would have 100% made during Woodward's time. Which probably tells you everything you need to know about signing him now.
One to avoid for me. I expect we'd end up with a player who never quite convinces when he plays, but probably spends 40% of the time on the physio table and not on the pitch. All while being the highest paid defender at the club. No thank you.
12.) 01 Jul 2024 09:14:06
Why did Juventus and Bayern want him in the first place? He looked great at Ajax!
13.) 01 Jul 2024 10:53:06
So did Antony Patrick ??♂️.
14.) 01 Jul 2024 11:08:32
Happy with de Ligt and if we get him then the 'dream team' inc Wilcox and Ashworth have given it the thumbs up. The growing narrative already seems to be that he is slow which isn't what I've taken from watching him a fair bit. Admittedly not in the last season where Tuchel (perhaps a little concerningly) preferred Dier. We seem to always have a need to pin a negative too short / slow / injury prone tag on players we don't want. He's not de Ven or Saliba fast, but few are and that doesn't make a player slow. He reads the game superbly and his distribution is excellent and walks into the team. I'd prefer to see it as an opportunist signing for someone who's fallen out of favour for whatever reason with a new coach. Happened to Salah and de Bruin once at Chelsea.
One surprise however would be a 5 year contract for any new signing. It's a long time for a player to be untouchable should anything happen in that time.
15.) 01 Jul 2024 12:51:45
Apparently he did Shappy. The point being nobody bar us went for him. Unlike de ligt who many were after. Do you see the difference? I must say I am surprised that it has not worked out at Juventus or Bayern.
16.) 01 Jul 2024 14:17:54
I'm not surprised Patrick.
Can you name any player from that ajax team that's moved and excelled?
Freak season they were never that good and have been pricing that for the last 5 years each and every one of them. Some good talent but massively over rated on 1 good cup run.
17.) 01 Jul 2024 14:37:49
Hope many are in for him now Patrick now he is available from bayern. I've no idea who wants him but it's not a long list i'd imagine.
18.) 01 Jul 2024 16:56:03
Only saw him play once in that season. Thought he looked a class act. Can remember not being over impressed with a colleague of his. A certain Donny! We will see. Better informed people than me around to make the right decisions.
19.) 01 Jul 2024 19:05:57
Patrick, I remember De Ligt looking less than great in the Europa league final against us.
20.) 01 Jul 2024 19:56:26
Shappy he was 17years old! Still played well. Was given a 7 player rating (Guardian) and deemed to have “a great future! ” But for a 17 year old you think it was a less than great performance? Ok .
21.) 02 Jul 2024 00:14:04
He was as were the rest of the team playing in a system they had been schooled in for many years, that the familiarity served them well.
12 Jun 2024 14:17:28
Hi Ed002, I was told today that there is a FIFA ruling saying players at major tournaments can't be bid for? Surely that isn't true is it? Unless I've just missed this rule for all time.
{Ed002's Note - No, it is not true.}
1.) 13 Jun 2024 12:59:34
Thank you Ed.
01 Apr 2024 18:23:16
Ed001, how have you been buddy? I just wanted to ask you, what do you think of the prospective new set up at United of Berrada, Ashworth, Wilcox? Do you see the SJR era helping to sort things out off and then ultimately on the pitch? Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - hiya mate, good thanks, I hope all is well with you too?
The new set up looks to be a huge leap forward. They are all much more professional than what was there before, so it should be a big improvement. Obviously you can never tell for sure how well people will mesh as a team until you put them together, but the individuals are much improved and at least football people.
The new regime should sort a lot of things out, though it will be how the club adapts to the new PSR that will ultimately decide things. It won't be as easy to waste money though, as budgets will be much tighter, which should help. Ashworth works better with less, imo. He is better at finding bargains than big spending, so it should give you a good chance of being more competitive at the top.}
1.) 01 Apr 2024 21:28:06
They definitely seem to be taking PSR seriously, I know they have started advertising for a senior financial controller with expertise in the new rules and regulations.
All this newly found professionalism seems a million miles away from the slap dash of recent times, but as Ed001 rightly say's they all have to gel. I am however optimistic they will.
2.) 02 Apr 2024 09:43:07
What could’ve been with competent, results driven owners….
Welsh Red Devil's rumour replies
09 Jul 2024 14:41:05
Any chance Real don’t come in for Yoro Ed? Is this a case of United looking for 3CBs or is one an alternative to Branthwaite Ed? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Try not to over complicate things.}
09 Jul 2024 08:11:59
No chance he’s worth £80m just cz we overpaid for Maguire, £55m I think is fair value for a prospect with 1 good year under his belt, but like the above said just move onto the next unless we have a further bid in mind and we do seem to be doing business smarter this summer. If the player is keen to come then he may have to voice this to help push a move through, I don’t see how City is a good move, more than enough CBs there already.
07 Jul 2024 18:06:14
Yeah I mean Dutch league, Dutch connections where he has worked with them before, there was concerns amongst the fan base that ETH was buying this way, new structure in place and it’s Dutch or having worked with ten hag again. Wondering peoples thoughts on the 2 incoming in particular, I thought I’d written the OP better ?.
01 Jul 2024 11:36:06
Looks like;
de Ligt
Zirkzee
Ugarte
Branthwaite
At the mo.
28 Jun 2024 15:46:23
Thank you Ed, have a good day.
{Ed002's Note - And you.
Welsh Red Devil's banter replies
11 Jul 2024 14:42:42
Get far in life using violence to counteract violence won’t we or condoning violence from players. Everyone jumps down throats cz they don’t like an opinion, happening more regular on here. 10 plus years I’ve been on here and the site used to be could have debate whether we agreed or not but now it’s full of targeting cz you don’t agree, exactly how live chat got ruined and quite frankly I can’t be arsed having to justify my posts when they are just opinion or pre cursor what I’m saying cz it might offend someone’s precious feelings. It’s time for me to bin this forum off, thanks Ed002 for your long standing info, thanks to some of the long standing posters and Eds who know how to have banter, I won’t be back tho.
11 Jul 2024 10:29:50
Saying ‘Darwin stuff’ as it got my topic across quickly, apologies I did not including every detail, as you say the reports are fairly lop sided. The whole situation involving kids was terrible and will be interesting to see what action is taken against the organisers, fans targeting them, we have seen in the Euros too I don’t know how many singular pitch invaders, thankfully mainly for selfies with players but you never know what could happen. So I do get the defending of families and teammates part of it as done been scary scenes but you still can’t have players climbing into the stands throwing punches and running at fans with a steel chair, it will just further incite, they should’ve all been safely ushered off the field as quickly as possible.
Same Spenno regards Zirkzee, towered over other players if felt like lol. But yeah England overall were the better team especially that first half. Be interesting to see if Southgate starts Shaw now and reverts to a back 4 considering how effective the 3 at the back formation was working especially how it brought the best out of Foden.
30 Jun 2024 12:25:45
Oh yeah ? thought was July 1st ?.
21 Jun 2024 22:38:31
Looks like Amad be more regular next seaoan. CB, CM and striker is more of a priority.
20 Jun 2024 20:15:51
Jeez, relax, top the group and unbeaten aren’t you, expect to win Brazil 70 style every game you lot, just enjoy that you’re basically through.