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04 Nov 2021 12:26:16
Ed002 if you are about is there any update on the pogba situation? Please tell me it will all be over soon and he'll be gone!

Tim_99

{Ed002's Note - Nothing new.

Paul Pogba (CM) offered to Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG and Juventus and will be available as a Free Agent in 2022 and a pre-agreement will almost certainly be signed in January. Manchester United have wrecked the relationship with his agent. I doubt that the club would meet any demands which Mino Raiola would want to agree a new contract. PSG are looking to add an experienced midfield player still and lost out on two of their targets in the summer but are the least attractive of the options due to the profile of the league and they will be making a significant fee for a preferred option. However, paying a significant fee for the hostage was never part of their plans but if something can be done at a reasonable price, they may provide an option - don't lose sight of them as a new employer. Real Madrid have a preferred target as a Luka Modric replacement although discussions will continue with his agent. With other plans for the summer the wage bill will be a major issue - else something can be done. Pogba has made it clear he really wants Real Madrid to be his next destination but again the relationship between some in Madrid and his agent is not great, and Zidane has gone. Juventus have other priorities in CM but there have been general talks and he might be a realistic option at the right price if he can be picked up as a Free Agent. Juventus would have looked to including a player in the deal (Federico Bernardeschi) last summer - which would be great but he is also represented by Mino who the amateurs don't want to deal with - so that ended that option. Juventus have a significant financial advantage due to tax laws in Italy and others departing but are planning on another but won't want to put the funds up for Pogba in January and will look to a pre-contract agreement. More attractive than PSG but not as attractive as the Spanish clubs. Mino has approached Barcelona but their financial problems are not resolved and his wages would be a problem. Their plans are fluid with a new coach coming in and further departures being planned. Financially, running his contract down offers the best option to the player - and it gives him an escape plan from Manchester.}


1.) 04 Nov 2021 13:21:12
ed i love your info and respect your views but pogba being labelled a hostage come off it.

dont sign a contract then whinge when the club don't want to sell you for a price that they don't deem acceptable just because you want to leave.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have blocked his departure for the past 18 months. }


2.) 04 Nov 2021 13:31:01
Thanks Ed. And on the manager front, any developments?

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have a manager.}


3.) 04 Nov 2021 13:50:55
Sorry Ed - regarding the future of that manager, is ten Hag a realistic option should the club look the make a change in the Summer?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


4.) 04 Nov 2021 14:16:33
Great summary Ed002. As much as it pains me to say at this point Pogba walking away for nothing is a better option than him staying because we offered him huge wages and there was no other option for him. Very good player with the right club, manager and players round him but unfortunately that is not our club now.
We need to move on and allow the future manager to.


5.) 04 Nov 2021 14:18:22
Hit send too early!
Future manager whether that's Ole or not to move on without being saddled with the circus that has surrounded the past couple of years.
Let's thank him for his services and say good luck in Spain.


6.) 04 Nov 2021 14:21:12
Thanks Ed for the detailed response, insightful as always. ?.


7.) 04 Nov 2021 14:16:33
Great summary Ed002. As much as it pains me to say at this point Pogba walking away for nothing is a better option than him staying because we offered him huge wages and there was no other option for him. Very good player with the right club, manager and players round him but unfortunately that is not our club now.
We need to move on and allow the future manager to.


8.) 04 Nov 2021 15:38:56
thanks for your comprehensive reply ed002.
Value you your opinion but could you reasonably see a scenerio whereby mufc if no suitors in january would be prepared to let him free to save wages and a space in the squad or are they so bullish as to even think of that scenario?

{Ed002's Note - No, that won't be happening.}


9.) 04 Nov 2021 15:43:35
Great overview Ed002, much appreciated.

Also to those who think the use of the word "hostage" is too harsh.

What would you call it refusing to allow an employee to live and work somewhere else?

Players signing a contract isn't slavery, the club don't own them.

It is simply a legal document designed to financially protect both parties. For the player it means they have a guaranteed wage for a period of time regardless of injuries or ability to carry out that work. For the club's it provides security of an asset they have normally paid a large sum for. While modern contracts also stipulate things such as image rights which is a relatively new thing in terms of top level football.

It's understood that a club will not block a player in their attempts to leave but the contract means they get some return on what they paid to obtain the rights to the player in the first place.

It's often assumed a player will appreciate in value, but like many things that isn't always the case. Sometimes a club have to accept that the player has deprecated in value from what they paid for him.


10.) 04 Nov 2021 16:11:59
shappy we have been through this before about pogba and his hostage status


the club regardless do own the player for the lenth of the contract they signed, unless someone buys them.

it doesn't make it slavery and its totally different to a job like me or you have, where we can just leave.


11.) 04 Nov 2021 17:43:44
The club is a laughing stock.
Allowing the same player to leave on a free TWICE.


12.) 04 Nov 2021 17:59:12
TRD, the club is a laughing stock for many reasons. Pogba leaving on a free isn't anywhere near the top of the list sadly.


13.) 04 Nov 2021 19:34:20
Ole being manager is the biggest reason why we're a laughing stock.


14.) 04 Nov 2021 18:44:39
I am looking for a position as a hostage @ £300k per week. A three month stint will do me nicely.

That being said I have to agree with Ed about the stupidity exhibited by the club. A couple of years ago they could have taken maybe £50m and got rid of £15-£20m a year in wages. So, this whole venture must have cost the club £100m. And given how little he's played, how patchy his form, and that he doesn't even have a position he can claim as his own, they could have done just as well without replacing him.


15.) 04 Nov 2021 18:51:52
Ed002.
With united refusing to deal with mino dies that count it any other of his players joining or is it just with pogba that they won't deal with him on?
I'm assuming things can change or is that a daft assumption on my part?

{Ed002's Note - There is little or no relationship between the club and Mino. Other clubs have also had a reluctance to deal with him - Manchester City is an example. Other clubs are run on a professional basis and are happy to work with agents. Manchester United coul have resolved the issue by accepting a swap with Bernardeschi last summer but again they screwed up and won't deal with his agent. But they managed to buy Sancho and have decided not to play him. I assume you are thinking of Bernardeschi as other player they would be interested in?}


16.) 04 Nov 2021 20:27:03
Ed002 cheers. Nobody in particular but he does have a growing clientele so I was curious.
I'm certainly not thinking Haaland as I've said in here many times that imo we have no chance of signing him. Our amateurs have made a right pigs ear of the pogba situation he should have been sold when Jose wanted rid along with martial but we are where we are I'm afraid.
Thanks for the reply.


17.) 04 Nov 2021 21:43:56
Thanks as always for all detailed info and responses Ed002 - you’re definitely the yardstick to measure other media United-related content producers against!

I know that you gave details about potential managerial alternatives after the Liverpool debacle, but, if United are thrashed by City this weekend and United finally ask Ole to leave, are there any new names being considered for the position - and do you think United have used the breathing space afforded by the Spurs win to start sounding out managers just in case they have to make a decision to sack Ole? (Or would the prospect of an interim manager seem more likely? )

Apologies again For asking for any new info given you’ve given us loads about their preferred candidates of Southgate, Pochettino and Rogers.

Anything you can divulge would be most appreciated!

{Ed002's Note - The club are not looking for a new manager at the moment.}


18.) 04 Nov 2021 22:47:34
Ken, the one Mino client I'd love us to sign is Ryan Gravenberch. He looks like he's going to be some player. I was also impressed with Dumfries during the Euro's and if we needed a more offensive right back he looks decent. Haaland is obviously a special talent but he is destined for other clubs.

However, the club have burned their bridges it seems with Mino so just pipe dreams now it seems.


19.) 04 Nov 2021 23:46:15
Won’t be at all disappointed to see Pogba finally leave - much like he won’t be sad to leave Utd. Should have gone back to Serie A 2 years ago.


20.) 05 Nov 2021 08:17:37
We'd be more of a laughing stock if we'd got Pogba to agree to the measly 400k pw - it could even have been more! I don't hate the boy, I just don't think we are ever going to buy or produce enough holding mids that can cover for all his generous moments. And they are bountiful.


21.) 05 Nov 2021 15:28:30
Hi Ed can I ask a daft question…. if you know Pogba is leaving, sure as hell the club and the coach do too. So why persist in playing a player that is off, leaving his supposed replacement on the bench (Donny) every week and risk him wanting out too?

{Ed002's Note - DvsB will not be his replacement.}


22.) 06 Nov 2021 11:53:02
Anyone know why we bought Donny?


 

 

03 Nov 2021 14:44:18
Sad news for young tatith Chong who has returned to united after suffering injury while on loan at Birmingham, he could be out up to 4 months according to reports. Hard for him as by all accounts he was doing ok and learning in the championship. Add that to amads injury that meant he missed a loan in the summer and it's tough on the two kids. They won't see game time here so loans were crucial for their development, let's hope they don't slip into obscurity like others before them.

Tim_99

1.) 04 Nov 2021 07:18:20
Heard it was a groin injury, doesn't his contract end next summer, should be able to get a good move on a free if he is sensible.


 

 

29 Oct 2021 18:08:16
Just in and read some of the previous posts. So did ole really say that finishing second last year was an over achievement and that he never said we'd repeat it or do better this year? Did he actually spew that from his mouth or has it been lost in translation?!

Tim_99

1.) 30 Oct 2021 08:44:38
Would you have expected us to finish above Liverpool?

It was an overachievement for Jose, so too with Ole. Look at how far away we really are. we will be lucky to get 3rd this season.

No team with Pogba in the midfield is ever going to win the PL. You can't have passengers in the middle of the park nowadays.


2.) 30 Oct 2021 09:54:43
Its just a tactic to take pressure away from the players.


3.) 30 Oct 2021 10:10:17
The mind boggles that anyone could watch us this season and manage to blame Paul Pogba. He has been our best player in most of our wins this season. We got hammered 5-0 at the weekend, game was gone before Pogba was even on the pitch so how on earth can you bring it back to him.


Ole will never be a top manager.


4.) 30 Oct 2021 10:31:57
I never said it was only his fault we lost to Liverpool. Just reread it.


5.) 30 Oct 2021 19:39:37
I could read that 1000 times and still not agree with you. Pogba isn't the problem.


6.) 31 Oct 2021 10:17:24
Pogba might not be the problem, but he isn't the solution either.

Talented lad, but clear flaws in his game that he hasn't been able to remove from his game and we haven't been able to come up with a system to mitigate them.

He hasn't wanted to be here for a number of years and it's time to draw a curtain on the Pogba years and move on.


7.) 31 Oct 2021 11:27:12
I don't think many sides in the Prem can be built around a luxury player like that. Maybe in the Spanish league (or what's left of it), where there is much more time on the ball and it's not based on physicality. I could imagine him doing well at City who have the players to be able to walk around but even then he'd need to up his game. When it works it's both brilliant and frustrating in equal measure. Why can't it be like that every week? Sadly it rarely is. Utd are crying out for a significant signing in that position. A mainstay in the XI that the side genuinely can be built around. It's easy to say Ronaldo for now, but I genuinely can't see another player we can look at and say he's worth building around for the next ten years.
Lovely guy etc but I'm afraid for me he's another undoubted talent who probably came for the money before wanting to move on to his actual goal, PSG or Real. We've spent a small fortune on such players over the years but hopefully, with a few lessons learnt and a new global economic outlook such signings will be scrutinised a bit more carefully.


8.) 31 Oct 2021 11:52:16
Spenno, I agree Pogba isn't a player for an EPL winning side. You just don't get the time and space on the ball that you see in other leagues. As such he is a luxury player that an EPL team cannot afford.

People point to his assists this season as evidence of how important he is to the team.

He got 4 against Leeds in the opening 5-1 win.

He got 1 against Southampton in a cagey 1-1 draw.

And he got 2 in the 4-1 win against Newcastle.

So he made positive contributions in 3 of the 12 matches he has appeared in and been sent off in one of the others.

If you take him out of all of our matches then we would have drawn 1-1 with Leeds, and lost 1-0 to Southampton. While we would still have beaten Newcastle 2-1. Assuming that whoever replaced him in the line up made no contribution.

We would have been 3 points worse off (2 dropped against Leeds and 1 Vs Southampton) .

Then when we consider that he played most of those games on the left due to Rashford being out. Then you wonder would a fully fit Rashford have scored or assisted in any of those games?

In two sub appearances and two 65 minute run outs since he has returned from injury Rashford has 3 goals in 4 matches or 173 minutes. Averaging a goal every 57 minutes.

I would argue that had Rashford been fit all season and Pogba injured that we would have at least as many points as we do, in all probability maybe a few more.


9.) 02 Nov 2021 20:40:18
Pogba trying very very hard to give away multiple goals against Atalanta. Someone tell him Halloween is over.


 

 

29 Aug 2021 21:00:42
Amad deal could be off as he got injured in training. Feel for the lad but honestly if he's staying, the club should try and move Jesse and Dan james. Be happy to have amad on bench above those 2.

Tim_99

1.) 29 Aug 2021 21:23:12
Dan James is more likely to handed a new long term contract than leave the club.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 21:28:50
Wouldn’t surprise me, we have a habit of rewarding mediocrity. James seems like a good lad and he works v hard but the quality just isn’t there. I’d see if Leeds want him on loan and go from there.


3.) 29 Aug 2021 21:48:04
If he was coached properly he would be a whole lot better. He always seems to play well for Wales.


4.) 29 Aug 2021 22:32:36
Proper coaching at united? Give your head a wobble mate 🤣 it will never happen 😜.


5.) 29 Aug 2021 22:20:15
For starters he can't play at RW.


6.) 30 Aug 2021 06:09:26
James can be coached to be a very good squad player I would say.

He would probably be more suited to a team with fluid attacking football where the emphasis is on progressing the ball quickly.

I am wondering how he would do at Dortmund for example.


7.) 30 Aug 2021 09:33:21
I don't think that you can teach instinct, that's his biggest downfall he gets in to good positions and then doesn't know what to do.


8.) 30 Aug 2021 11:13:46
I watched him at the Euro’s and he was exactly the same player he is for united, just playing in a worse team so he stood out a bit more. Ran a lot, worked hard, terrible end product.


 

 

26 Aug 2021 22:27:01
Sky sports are reporting that Dortmund are in talks for dalot. Loan with buy option. If he goes whos AWB's backup? I'm confused.

Tim_99

1.) 26 Aug 2021 22:51:50
Trippier.


2.) 26 Aug 2021 23:00:03
Trippier hopefully.


3.) 26 Aug 2021 23:17:24
Let's see how it pans out mate. If he's being let go I'm sure we will have something lined up.


4.) 26 Aug 2021 23:20:57
Typical united tim and watch wan bissaka get injuried

Although lindercrap can play rb.


5.) 26 Aug 2021 23:37:05
Would love trippier but I think the above post might be right. Lindelof has played there before so we will prob use him there at times. Typical square pegs in round holes.


6.) 27 Aug 2021 06:49:07
Lindelof at RB would be a huge mistake.


7.) 27 Aug 2021 07:39:19
Last season AWB played in 34 of the 38 league games, all 6 of our UCL games and all 9 of our UEL games, 3 out of 4 FA cup games, and 2 of the 4 League cup games we played.

Meaning we needed a back up RB for 4 league games, 1 FA cup game, and 2 league cup games.

AWB played in 54 of our 61 games last season. In the other 7 games Williams, Dalot and Tuanzebe covered for him.

If Mengi, Lindelof or whoever else needs to cover for 7 games this season will it be a disaster?


8.) 27 Aug 2021 08:06:31
thats assuming wan bissaka stays fit shappy and is consistent in his form.

tbh i really like wan bissaka but going forward he is terrible, his passing is poor and he always looks like he's going to fall over when running forward.

defensively he is top but we need more from him going forward.


9.) 27 Aug 2021 08:13:07
I just don’t understand how we are ‘potentially’ trading a 22 year old right back who’s got scope to improve, for a 30 year old who’s game is based on getting up and down, and when we’ll only get two seasons of optimum performance out of him. Antonio Valencia was a great player for us, but we persisted with him into his 30’s and he held us back. If the alleged interest is real then I’m failing to see how Diogo isn’t good enough at least as a back up for us, but he’s good enough for Bayern or Dortmund…….


10.) 27 Aug 2021 08:30:41
Trippier starts ahead of AWB in any game we play against non-top 6 sides, for me. He’d also probably be Shaw’s understudy at LB.

Yes, AWB’s slide tackling is immense, but he cannot defend his back post for toffee and looks about as comfortable on the ball going forward as The Inbetweeners did on the dancefloor.

Trippier is better than AWB.


11.) 27 Aug 2021 09:37:22
Agree downsie. 50m for awb looks silly now imo. Not improved 1 iota since he joined in fact he looked better at Palace.
Trippier is streets ahead of him and dalot is not happy at united and who can blame him.


12.) 27 Aug 2021 09:58:01
Is that awb’s fault Ken or the coaching staff?


13.) 27 Aug 2021 10:12:26
Valencia was a poor RB. He was useless go forward. He was lucky to stay at the club for so long.


14.) 27 Aug 2021 10:31:42
100% with Ken on this one. Buying awb has been a mistake so far. He can't bomb on on the overlap without turning back, coming inside into pointless positions, playing it back to the cbs or running into the opposition. Which I consider pretty shocking considering he used to be a winger in palaces academy set up. He hasn't improved in attack one bit. He is a great defender one on one, but recently I've noticed more and more that he very easily switches off and fails to track his runner. Hence the magnificent last ditch tackles he pulls off. Some of the tackles he puts in are ultimately a result of him not tracking his runner or poor positioning.

I was completely against signing trippier but the more I think about it, the more I think we need him.


15.) 27 Aug 2021 11:39:00
Hindsight is a a wonderful thing. But 50m for AWB or the 30m Max Aarons would have cost now makes it look like we went for the wrong deal.


16.) 27 Aug 2021 12:30:50
the issue for me is we shouldn't be signing a back up RB we should be signing a 1st choice RB, i defended bissaka as much as i can he just isn't good enough for a top club yes he can slide tackle usually as he has to because he is a bad defender he can't read the game, can't position him self doesn't stop crosses and the less said about is forward ability the better awful player.


17.) 27 Aug 2021 13:38:45
The other factor to consider is that Dalot is not actually any good.


18.) 27 Aug 2021 15:09:51
And here comes Ken criticising the manager and coaching again! AWB has been a very good signing, solid and dependable in a position we haven’t had addressed for years . He is improving too, especially with the ball albeit a long way to go. Huge difference playing for us and palace, gets far more possession with us and is left far more exposed with us as we attack in more numbers than palace. At palace he was set up to defend in two blocks of four, perfect for him . So yes he has been a good signing and he is improving and no he is not another stick for you to beat our manager with!


19.) 27 Aug 2021 16:28:57
I disagree Chris as does olewally as he has chased trippier all summer. So wally and I agree on something. Tim yes its down to coaching. Awb can do better he will eventually when we get a better staff.


20.) 27 Aug 2021 21:32:08
I wouldn't say AWB has been a mistake as he's still so young and has so much time to grow however he hasn't really improved as of yet and for me is our most frustrating starter atm. I'd still give dalot a shot.


 

 

 

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18 Jan 2022 21:51:12
I'm not sure who Graeme Bailey is but according to him RR has told the overlords that shaw AWB and slabhead aren't good enough and will need replacing as we move forward. If true I can't say that I disagree, however with their values and wages they won't be easy to move and we will no doubt overvalue them in the market. Very interesting!

Tim_99

1.) 18 Jan 2022 22:16:44
Theres a few more that shpuld be on that list.


2.) 18 Jan 2022 22:26:42
So Tim, do you think MU will ship out these players who cost more than the GDP of a small economy such as the Solomon Islands on Raif’s recommendation.

Below there are a number of assertions that Ralf has been brought in “as a football man” to restructure the club in his consulting capacity.

If the MU hierarchy don’t particularly like the idea of shipping out 3 assets, two of which have not yet been fully amortised, is that not supporting RR or does maybe the commercial side of the business become more important?


3.) 18 Jan 2022 23:09:47
Maze. WTF. Its as clear as the nose on your face that AWB and slabhead are not good enough. The economy of a small island aside. The economy side is f all when the so called defence ships goals for fun.


4.) 18 Jan 2022 23:55:10
There could be up to half a dozen players leaving over the next two windows, whether out of contract, unhappy, not required etc. I don’t think 3/ 4 of the back line (exc. Varane) is good enough but you can’t sell everybody. A new centre back like Kounde wouldn’t be a surprise in summer.


5.) 19 Jan 2022 03:48:15
EnglishStan - although your comments profoundly can be portrayed as obtuse, Maze shall respond.

Has Maze indicated that AWB and/ or “slabhead” (assume HM) are good enough? Please elaborate. In fact if you look back not so long ago the sun shone out of AWB’s rear according to some on here.

The simple fact is that there are broader considerations that have to be taken into account. Commentary about the economy side means “f all” says it all about your witless understanding. Makes it difficult for Maze to continue confabulating with you.

Spenno - glad to see you have taken time away from the xbox to comment. Is that the answer, chuck another fat load of cash to entice a player into signing a long term deal to sort out the shortcomings? Very crass.


6.) 19 Jan 2022 06:01:05
English players are usually over hyped.
Maguire especially has set the club back.
The one who scouted him and gave sign off for 80 million should be sacked.


7.) 19 Jan 2022 08:24:24
To answer the question maze, no I don’t think we will mainly for the reasons you outlined…on the other hand do I think we should get rid of them and a few others over the next few windows? YES.


8.) 19 Jan 2022 09:26:06
The whole club is having to balance everything whilst we do not know who the new manager will be, will they have a lot of power over transfers or will we move to more continental style of them being just coaches but in the style of the ones making the decisions. The job as I see it for RR is 3 fold if we believe that the club are comitting to him in a consultancy role past this year. Firstly get us to the end of the season and from a commercial point of view into the top 4, this is for CL next season and to help either get new players in or retain the ones we have (if that is what they want) . Secondly, utilise his knowledge of players outside of the UK to identify the right ones and at the right time. Young up and coming players approaching peak years. This again benefits the playing side of things as well as the commercial side as we will be purchasing a cheaper asset that will grow (as much as i hate to say it, ala Liverpool since Klopp has been in post) . Thirdly, identify the players that are not up to the riggers of playing the style of play that we will be doing over the next phase of the clubs development. Once he has done this the power brokers responsibilities is to secure the best deals possible for the club (difficult considering the wages players are on) or work to get loan deals for these players to increase their value playing whilst offsettig at least part of their wages.


9.) 19 Jan 2022 09:37:37
Fair enough Tim. Let’s play devils advocate. Who do you suppose replaces them?

Lets say you have a 100m transfer budget. You lose Pogba, Lingard Cavani and Mata for free.

Martial and VdB go on loan - as no one is going to pay a substantial fee plus their wages. Maze is generous so assume their wages are picked up by the respective principal club.

You are still accruing for substantial expenses - including monster wages for Rashford, De Gea, Ronaldo and co.

You are paying sizeable wages for the new manager (plus a fee potentially) and his consultant general Ralf. You have also paid top dollar to bring in a back room team and are still paying up wages on your last managerial termination.

You are in the middle of an ongoing C.V. that is a risk to company revenue. Cash is cheap to lend but to be safe you are trying to conserve in case a new variant wipes out the 22/ 23 season.

So let's assume you get 60m for the 3 of them (on current form that’s being generous) . The 60m helps pay down their contacts inclusive of any other variables.

So who do you replace HM, LS and AWB with whilst improving other areas of the squad noting the environment?


10.) 19 Jan 2022 09:46:02
Anyone think we are in a never-ending loop:

New manager, buy a load of players, declare players will take us to next step, players fail to deliver, players labelled deadwood, manager sacked, players sold at a loss, new players bought.

We have seen more teams built and dismantled in the last 10 years than the whole 26 years of Fergie's tenure.


11.) 19 Jan 2022 10:10:44
Not sure on values but I’d promote laird and look at lamptey to replace AWB. For maguire maybe the likes of fofana, zagadou, kounde etc. personally I’d keep shaw and bring in someone else to replace telles. Players like Haidara, Zakaria, ndidi etc would all improve us greatly in midfield. Obviously price is an issue especially when buying from other English clubs, that’s where our scouting needs to expand and improve so we can identify the players earlier.


12.) 19 Jan 2022 10:43:55
Tim, Mazraoui is an obvious target at RB. Great technique, hard working and good nothing going forward and defending. Plus he's available on a free transfer. He's 24, 25 in November so is a great age, and should just be approaching his peak and would enable Laird a couple of years as understudy without pressure.

As for CB, I'd be tempted to go and try and get Rudiger on a free also. While he is probably at his best in a back three he is still much better than what we have bar Varane. Saying that I think he'd work well with Varane, knows the league and is a leader. Also at 29 will offer a top class player for a few years so as to not totally block Mengi's path into the first team.

Midfield I really like Boubacar Kamara, he's a similar player to Declan Rice but available at a fraction of the cost, maybe free in the summer.


13.) 19 Jan 2022 11:00:50
Mr Bailey could just be making that up but if not I wonder who at the club would have an interest in leaking something like that to undermine Rangnick?


14.) 19 Jan 2022 12:54:14
Maze asking the wrong questions. If they are not good enough sooner or later they will go. And if we can't buy three top class defenders then we will buy one and the others will be some cheaper options like Mazraoui.
In any case they must go so we will have space to make additions.


15.) 19 Jan 2022 13:12:52
Herrera (now that’s a player that should have been kept) . Why are those the wrong questions? In actual fact that is the sort of conversations that the big boys will be having.

Look at the fantasy above Rudiger on a ‘free’ these players are not ‘free’. The player and their advisors snap up a huge fee and their wages/ demands are obscene.

Above there is mention of Rice ($$$$$), Kounde ($$$$), Haidara ($$$$), Ndidi ($$$$$) . This is just fantasy.

As for Mazouri being “the obvious choice at RB”. How did the last few signings from the Eredivisie fair?


16.) 19 Jan 2022 13:19:59
Shappy, I think Rudiger has been one of the top CBs in the league this year. He’s imposing and great at coming forward. Yet I just can’t see him staying in England, or certainly switching Chelsea for Utd. It has PSG / Real all over it?


17.) 19 Jan 2022 13:50:19
Maze, while I agree these players aren't technically "free" due to the signing on fees.

You miss the point that they tend to be far cheaper than signing players who have a contract at another club.

While we might not be in for Mbappe this summer, it's fairly obvious that if he had 2 years left on his contract he would cost upwards of 100m, possibly close to 200m. I mean PSG paid €180 for him, I don't think his value has dropped at all since then.

While Real Madrid will pay his agent a hefty fee, and his wages would be higher due to the signing on fee. The reality is if you wanted to buy him you'd still be paying a hefty agents fee and high wages. I doubt the additional wages and agents fees come close to what his transfer fee would have been.

Therefore signing players on Bosman deals is much cheaper and a sensible route to consider if you need/ want to make multiple signings to rebuild a squad.

Mazraoui is a good option, you could argue that we shouldn't sign Lamptey, Reece James or TAA from EPL teams because look how AWB turned out. It's a frankly ridiculous arguement.

Many great players past and present started their careers in the Eredivisie, including former United greats such as Stam, RvN, VDS and RvP.

Some signings work, others don't. You can't apply sweeping generalisations from them as it misses out all context and the nuances that impact every signing.


18.) 19 Jan 2022 13:52:11
Spenno, I doubt we'd be able to tempt him as well. It's questionable whether we'll even be a UCL side next season. While Rudiger will have offers from Spain, Italy, Germany and France as well as possibly other options beyond Chelsea in the EPL.

But it certainly doesn't hurt having a go for him, you never know what might happen.


19.) 19 Jan 2022 13:52:47
Ofcourse they have big wages, but big wages have the three that depart too. So this changes nothing.
And i don't suggest Mazraoui. I only say that there are cheaper options out there. If we are speak about Harry Maguire (something i say from day one) he is 10 million player at best so i would take a "random" and cheap player with a bit of pace any day of the week. Its not like we must throw 300 millions for their replacements. Take 60-70 million from them, add some more and you will be fine.


 

 

18 Jan 2022 10:06:43
Im looking forward to Brentford turning up and playing a blinder tomorrow night, especially as they've lost their last two. No doubt their midfield will be full of industry and energy and will play us off the pitch. Call me a pessimist if you want but you just know it's going to happen. i'm hoping ralf plays the diamond with Donny, as in his own words 'it gives us more control'. but deep down I know it will be mcfred AGAIN!

Tim_99

1.) 18 Jan 2022 11:04:08
Tim, they've done well this year at home. Will be a tough game.


2.) 18 Jan 2022 11:29:58
No. MU should be destroying a recently promoted team at this stage of the season. RR will consult and a result will be forthcoming. Nothing less than a win is good enough.


3.) 18 Jan 2022 13:24:03
brentford at home are a decent side maze. and they like to attack, we have got a poor defence and a midfield that is prob on level with theres.


4.) 18 Jan 2022 13:55:02
What difference will Donny make?


5.) 18 Jan 2022 16:26:10
Atleast Donny won't give away the ball cheaply as Fred.


6.) 18 Jan 2022 17:16:24
It's a must win game to keep up for the top 4 race.
However Spurs with Conte will make it hard.


7.) 18 Jan 2022 18:04:29
Unfortunately Tim I expect the same.


8.) 18 Jan 2022 18:49:16
Along the same lines, if our players are not at it after the dross they have been serving up then maybe they aren't man utd players after all.

Last game they were good for 30 mins, what happened after that I have no idea, but I doubt it was Martial's fault.


9.) 18 Jan 2022 19:56:56
We are still a polo team, mint, ut with a hole in the middle. Comment or opinion will not change anything until we resolve our awful midfield functionality and quality. Even then we must re organise that we lack another top class central defender at least if not two along with an attacking overlapping right back to create width.

Nothing wrong with forward line yet I believe that yet again, the board are closest to concluding a deal for another forward and moving Martial out this window. Woodward is also leaving after learning the hard way, truth is, we are screwed.

On the positive side, there is a buyer in the wings, already sounding out the Glazers over a purchase in 2024. They're having a practice at running a football club for another 2 years before possibly concluding an offer. If you're a true red, hope the buccaneers get smashed in the play offs, that will bring us closer to the end of a nightmare.

The team to take over currently run a major champions league top 4 frequent team. There are no short erm solutions to a long term problem.


10.) 18 Jan 2022 20:39:49
The sooner we sell Donny the better fed up of people referring to him like he’s the messiah!
??.


11.) 18 Jan 2022 20:44:03
A polo mint team??? brilliant Cheshire Red.
What's your read now on the playing side?
The plan you last outlined is that being completely ripped up are they starting again from zero? You felt that ole was 100% backed and there was no turning back no matter what. But in sure you agree they had to act.
Is the plan for RR to write the blueprint?
Have you heard anything on that side or who is undee consideration for new manager?


12.) 18 Jan 2022 20:58:20
Only thing ww can say about donny is he hasn't had a run to show what he can do.

Hes been given 5 mins here and there but hope. he leaves and does good somewhere else.


Cheshire you. said we was going to dominate for the next decade under ole, the fact is now the players are being trained proper you. can see how bad this group are.

Leta hope fhe club listen to RR and get rid of the pretenders.


13.) 18 Jan 2022 21:00:05
This is a Brentford aide that have only lost 1-0 to Chelsea and City and drew 3-3 with Liverpool at home. The way we are playing at the moment I would take a point now.


14.) 18 Jan 2022 21:34:58
Wow the mediocrity has well and truly been embraced by the fans on here. Terrifying.


15.) 18 Jan 2022 22:20:43
Maze we are mediocrity now we haven't won a trophy in how many years.

Nearlly a. decade of being poorly run has turned us into a mediocre club

Lets just hope the next 10 years are better.


16.) 18 Jan 2022 23:03:26
I don't like or dislike Chishire.
But he (as 002 etc) and those who have an inside view can only tell us about the intentions and plans. You know they don't have a crystal ball to see the future. The plan under Ole was to have a young core of players to dominate for the next decade. Don't use this to beat a man.


17.) 19 Jan 2022 00:12:54
Not beating a man but we was never going to dominate for a decade with a manager that was only. givrn the job on the back of a. decent run and because he gave hugs and jaffa cakes at half time

The young players we have are brats, lazy over paid and like a C.V. that have eaten away at what thus club omce was.

Living off the memory and ideas a manager had that hasn't been at the club for 10 years.

We have been stuck in 1st gear when the teams around have slowly been pulling away

And now when it looks like someone who knows what he's doing has come in and said a few home truths its time to all panick again let's see if the board have the balls to trust RR and his input which i think they will,

If they are wantinf to sell they would rather attract the prospect of a new project united than one that's getting further away

We are 5 years behind the top teams and that's if we listen and learn from previous mistakes.


18.) 19 Jan 2022 00:35:27
You said that they were lazy and primadonas when our front three outscored Liverpool's or when they finished second? If so then well done, but I don't remember to be the case.
Clearly you had misunderstood the situation or overhyping our players or Ole etc. Or they just had better balance and the last signings made us worst-who knows.
Fact is that Cheshire thought (and was the clubs intention) that we are going to dominate . He was wrong, we (many of us) were wrong. That means nothing. And i say this without buying in Oles plan because i never liked him as a coach. But come on everyone makes mistakes and that doesn't mean that whatever they say is wrong.


19.) 19 Jan 2022 10:06:16
Isnt this the Ratcliffe consortium that are currently running Nice, didn't he say he had no intention of getting involved at United while they made dumb transfer decisions.

Hoping the Bucc's don't win the Superbowl with Brady is a long shot, but at least it shows the Glazers do care about football, unfortunately its just the American version.


20.) 19 Jan 2022 11:12:11
TRD - Donny never gives the ball away because he's never involved in the game. He's a waste of time.


 

 

16 Jan 2022 15:58:26
Big result that for West Ham and not in a good way. Spurs current favourites for top 4 as they 4 points behind the hammers with 4 games in hand ( 2 in hand on us and arsenal) I'd love us to go on a run and at least secure top 4, with our current form though we are more likely to finish 10th than 4th. It's there for us though if we can get it together (big if) .

Tim_99

1.) 16 Jan 2022 17:33:10
without a decent DM -at the very least -coming in this month we won't finish above 6th.


2.) 16 Jan 2022 18:48:40
6th? Are you for real?

{Ed014's Note - what you thinking Jonesy, 8th?


3.) 17 Jan 2022 09:06:22
whats the big obsession with a DM.

if we had midfielders with legs and who could pass a ball we would be fine.

we don't need a kante or a rice, what we need is someone better than fred and matic and mctominay.

all 3 are nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to be in the UCL.


4.) 17 Jan 2022 10:01:18
Bolger - we need a cdm desperately. We can't play outbfrom the back as we don't have a cdm good enough on the ball. One of the biggest problems we have is the pressure we invite onto ourselves through terrible build up play out from the back. We need another Carrick.


5.) 17 Jan 2022 10:24:38
Bolger, say that again but slowly.

You say you don't understand why we need a CDM, then go on to say that none of the players we have currently playing that role are good enough.

Which surely explains why we need a CDM ?‍♂️.


6.) 17 Jan 2022 11:24:03
did you read what i put shappy?

where in that did i say the current midfielders are not good enough in that role?

i said we need better players than the 3 that play in midfield now a midfield that can pass a ball, not once did i say we need better cdms,

but for your reply other than matic neither of them are a natural CDM

we are not playing players in there natural roles hense why the cms playing in CDM are rubbish

mctominay is not a cdm he is naturally a box to box, although in the younger day he's was a CF. he is not a cdm he doesn't have the footballing brain to play that role he isn't a clever player, he gets stuck in and runs about but he is miles better further up.

can someone explain to me what fred is? shappy?

matic has no legs he shouldn't be in the team but has to becuase we have no one else.


7.) 17 Jan 2022 13:29:12
Cant agree Bolger. a top DM shielding our back 4 would be a huge improvement- a kante / ndidi winning the ball or going to the ball 15 yards further up the pitch and laying it off simply for us to start an attack . its what we are crying out for. Rice and Soucek at WHU have got it down to a fine art this season.


8.) 17 Jan 2022 13:37:24
Bolger, in both the 4231 under Ole and the 4222 under RR Matic, Fred and McTominay have played in the CDM roles.

You then clearly say "all 3 are nowhere near good enough for a team wanting to be in the UCL".

Which is pretty categorical from you that you don't think we have any players capable of playing in the CDM role that is good enough.

You then rightly go on to say that Matic is the only natural CDM we have, and that McTominay and Fred better suit a box to box role.

Further highlighting the need for a new CDM who is an expert in such a role and who has the legs to take over from Matic.

Fred is a box to box player, his positioning is terrible, but his speed and defensive work is great. You don't want him on the ball too often. His best role is being given the freedom to charge around and win the ball back all over midfield then to play a short pass quickly once he had one it.

For me we look at our best for the first 45-60 minutes when Matic plays. But he doesn't have the stamina anymore to last longer than that. Yet while he is on the pitch and not exhausted we look far more balanced and in control, with less of a threat of being countered.

That for me is why we need a new CDM.


 

 

15 Jan 2022 20:38:20
Absolutely baffled that the club haven't looked to address our midfield this window, yes January is difficult but if you're determined enough there's deals to be done, especially when it could make or break our season.

Our midfield has been awful for years, ralf talks about control but with our options that's never happening. When we are losing they aren't agressive or energetic enough to win the ball and wrestle the game away, when we are winning they aren't composed enough or technically astute enough to keep the ball and see out the game.

We've been blessed through the years with great players in there, mcclair, robson, Keane, scholes, carrick etc but honestly looking at matic/ Fred/ mctominay I can't say what they're good at. Can anyone on here can name a premier league midfield duo they wouldn't have over ours? I'll wait ??

Seems looking in that the club have already written this season off and are planning for next, while that's annoying I wouldn't mind so much if I trusted that they will make the right choices. Sadly I don't, hopefully when ralf moves upstairs he can help, but as it stands we are a rudderless boat sailing to nowhere.

Tim_99

1.) 15 Jan 2022 20:56:24
Agreed. Everton are awful, yet I’d still have Allan/ Doucoure; Villa are average, yet I’d still have Luiz/ McGinn. Other central midfielders in bottom half teams that would improve us include Ward-Prowse, Phillips…

Surely just sell Lingard and Martial now for £25m ish and reinvest that in Zakaria/ Kessie/ Kamara right now?


2.) 15 Jan 2022 20:58:08
I’mm sure they are looking into it but like most bigger deals they won’t happen until the last day when the transfer games of cat and mouse come to a head. Although where there are release clauses in place it makes you wonder. Guess we need to sell or move someone on for everyone who comes in.


3.) 16 Jan 2022 01:33:10
Imagine being a decision maker at utd and thinking that it would be good idea not to buy a midfielder this window. Matic can only play half the games, max. So we are absolutely short in that area. Forget what you think of fred, mctom and Matic. We are short of a midfielder and have too many 10s.

Sort it out and sanction a purchase.


4.) 16 Jan 2022 06:25:34
Matic towards the end couldn't keep up with the pace.
Fred was fred.
Why can't the decision makers bother to address the midfield is beyond me.


5.) 16 Jan 2022 19:45:12
And for any Donny fans, I imagine he might play better with a fit and youthful dm behind him who could actually find him with passes.


 

 

12 Jan 2022 08:22:32
Henderson been told he can't leave on loan in January and must stay until the summer. Really don't see the sense in keeping an unhappy player, especially considering the current state of morale in the squad. Surely with Heaton and grant we have more than enough cover of DDG. clearly deano has the World Cup in mind, I think letting him go on loan would be wise for all parties.

Tim_99

1.) 12 Jan 2022 09:16:23
No we don’t, if 2 get C.V. we are screwed.
Heatons not good enough for a start and grant is a water carrier.

Should have treated Romero better who didn’t mind as much being a no.2.


2.) 12 Jan 2022 10:35:59
You say that now, but if DDG does a knee ligament and is out for the rest of the season are you comfortable knowing that one of Heaton or Grant will have to play every game. All league, UCL and FA cup games.

Heaton is a great third choice keeper, but if/ when Henderson leaves we'll need a new No.2.


3.) 12 Jan 2022 10:37:08
We are paying the guts of 350-400k a week for 2 goalkeepers, one of whom never plays. Makes zero sense to me.


4.) 12 Jan 2022 11:08:39
Not your money mate I wouldn’t worry about that.


5.) 12 Jan 2022 11:59:52
Tim, the keeper position is just so vital it's the one area of the pitch where you just can't afford to play a substandard player.

You stick a championship standard defender, or midfielder or forward into any EPL team and it will obviously weaken them. But it won't cost them goals and points every weekend.

However, you stick a championship standard keeper in any given EPL side then that will cost them goals and points pretty much every weekend.

I like Heaton, but he's no better than Howard or Foster were for us.

If we had to play him for the the rest of the season he'll cost us 6-10 points. Which will definitely mean no top 4, on current form possibly mid-table or below.


6.) 12 Jan 2022 11:51:55
I don't get it. We used to have VDS who was more injury prone than De Gea and Kusczak as the the backup.
Heaton is definitely ahead of Kuzczak, I do not see the point of keeping a top keeper like Henderson, sell him get the money and use elsewhere. Or atleast take money for a 2 year loan.
De Gea, hasn't been injured for long durations throughout his career with us.


7.) 12 Jan 2022 13:46:23
Im sure Henderson isn't a problem in the dressing room, my thought is it might be better having him leave on loan now seeing as he doesn’t want to be there and wants to play. So many players who want to be elsewhere in a group that is already divided and out of form. That’s all I’m saying.


8.) 13 Jan 2022 08:07:47
Tim, I think your point highlights the problem we have with this group of players. Ddg is not my favourite keeper, he lacks Authority, distribution is rubbish, no command in the box, no communication with the defenders. However, he fought his way back from a dip in form, and regained his spot.
Henderson on the other hand, got given a chance, didn't really take it, got dropped to no 2. So, instead of working hard to regain his no1 spot, he's moaning and whinging and asking to leave.
And that, in a nutshell, applies to a lot of the overpaid, overhyped players we have at the club. Major attitude problem.


 

 

 

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Not sure on values but I’d promote laird and look at lamptey to replace AWB. For maguire maybe the likes of fofana, zagadou, kounde etc. personally I’d keep shaw and bring in someone else to replace telles. Players like Haidara, Zakaria, ndidi etc would all improve us greatly in midfield. Obviously price is an issue especially when buying from other English clubs, that’s where our scouting needs to expand and improve so we can identify the players earlier.

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To answer the question maze, no I don’t think we will mainly for the reasons you outlined…on the other hand do I think we should get rid of them and a few others over the next few windows? YES.

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Wouldn’t surprise me.

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