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21 Mar 2020 22:26:27
Rumours of Auba to Utd. No idea if this is now just crazy time due to lack of content. But I have to say, that would be an excellent signing for us. Last year with Arsenal, so they may be tempted to cash in. Almost has the feels of an RVP but he's not quite so deep into his career.

He would be an upgrade on Martial as a 9. Scores goals for fun. What do you all think, would you take him?

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1.) 22 Mar 2020 10:38:16
Rumours started last summer when Andy Goldstein from talksport said he was told Utd were in for him so maybe there is something in it who knows. Good player though wish he wasnt as old as he is.


2.) 22 Mar 2020 10:54:42
I think we're done buying older players on high wages. He's a fantastic player but you'd imagine he'd demand Sanchez type salary. Just doesn't seem to go along with Solskjaer's plan.


3.) 22 Mar 2020 12:02:02
I'd prefer lacazette to be honest. Although he's seemed a bit off this season.


4.) 23 Mar 2020 11:10:01
I would rather save the money and buy ighalo and spend the big money on right wing, cm, pogba replacement and pacey centre back.


5.) 23 Mar 2020 12:03:35
Thanks for replies guys. I think that Auba allows us to play how we have been playing, direct and very dangerous on the break, but hs also makes runs in the 6 yard area like a striker. He can score headers with more consistency. Depending on fee he could be interesting. Not for silly money either in transfer or wages.


6.) 26 Mar 2020 16:05:39
who is Auba?


 

 

 

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15 Jul 2021 03:07:41
Some of the disrespect on here for Fred is getting ridiculous. The guy played great for us for long spells last season. He just played for Brazil in the copa america ahead of fabinho it seemed at times (not sure if fabinho had injuries? ) . But the guy is far better than the pantomime villain people on here are making him out to be.

Not trying to silence anyone, just voicing at least one small voice in support for a proper player, who works his socks off and contrary to nearly every post on here I read, can also play a bit.

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1.) 15 Jul 2021 06:23:35
Both fred and mctom are similar players, neither can play good long balls consistently. He's a good squad player Fred but we should be aiming higher.


2.) 15 Jul 2021 07:46:49
I'll hold my hands up and say I'm critical of Fred very often. I probably also focus on mistakes he makes more often than I do with others.

He undoubtedly works incredibly hard but I'm always doubtful of a player who's best attribute is "he runs a lot". Does he do that intelligently? What else does he offer? For a side who control possession in 70% of the games the play, I just don't see the need for him as he is basically a passenger when we are in possession. His use of the ball is very limited.

It's not a surprise his best performances for United tend to come in games where we don't have a huge amount of the ball. Games against PSG, City, Chelsea etc where we simply focus on interceptions, pressing in our defensive 3rd and winning the ball back. He does that well.

No doubt he's a scapegoat but he's also not good enough to be starting anywhere near the amount of games he does.


3.) 15 Jul 2021 08:56:07
He can't pass a ball, gives away possession far too often and doesn't even chip in with goals and assists. His strength is breaking up play, but that often includes breaking the flow of his own side. I watched almost every game last season, and he wasn't great once, he had a couple of performances that were better, but would be severely criticised if made by others (such as Pogba or Bruno) . I believe McTom has far more potential, has better passing, particularly in short range, and is a goal threat, a much better player. I honestly believe Darren Gibson was a better CM than Fred, least he could pass and shoot.


4.) 15 Jul 2021 09:37:50
Darron Gibson was not a better CM than Fred, I think your post sums up the disrespect Dodgy was talking about in his OP though.


5.) 15 Jul 2021 09:38:18
100% Fred gets undue stick, I'm probably as guilty of it as anyone. He is the kind of player every side needs in their squad, he is perfect for certain games or situations. His real limitation as with McTominay is a lack of a top class player alongside them.

Either of them could be a success at United with the right midfield partner alongside them.


6.) 15 Jul 2021 10:15:41
Fred should be a squad player at best and shouldn't be in the first X1 if we aspire to compete at the top.

The number of times he concedes possession is crazy. He doesn't create chances nor does he chips in with goals.
With his poor first touch, it's also a risk playing out from the back with him.

I wouldn't sell him personally. Have him has a squad player for added depth.


7.) 15 Jul 2021 10:20:47
I agree 100%. I think Fred is a very good midfielder, and very valuable in games against other big teams who we maybe don't expect to dominate possession against.

However, I understand people's frustration, as we are using Fred and McTominay against smaller sides where we should be dominating posession. Part of this is because we don't have a proper DM who can cover the defensive duties by himself and free the other CM to join the attack.

Part of it may also simply be Ole's preference. If we get a CDM like Rice or whoever and still persist with the 2 DM system, then we know it's Ole.


8.) 15 Jul 2021 12:08:46
I'm with dodgy. Fred had a slow start with us but he has shown his worth. He's a player that you know will work his socks off and cover every blade of grass a d break up play. Attacking isn't his strongest ability but he's there to do.


9.) 15 Jul 2021 13:10:07
Is it disrespect to think someone is not good enough and that someone else was better i'm not sure it is. I'd say that's an opinion.
Fred is not a good player imo. He has good attributes but imo they are out weighed by his lack of technical ability.
He is no better than cleverly or Gibson in many aspects of his game but is better than them in others.

Is James shown disrespect when people say he is not good enough? If you say a player is not good enough is that showing hatred? I don't believe it is but the drama queens and hyperbole lovers will twist some people words and mis represent them. But they are allowed do it to other players themselves.
I'd get rid of Fred in a heartbeat. I don't dislike him i just don't think he is good enough for Manchester United. No doubting his application
Fred was taken off in copa final at half time. The difference with our manager is he put him on with 20 mins to go in extra time in a final in order to shut up shop.
Fred suits ole but neither ole or fred suit Manchester United imo and I say that with the greatest of respect.


10.) 15 Jul 2021 13:17:06
If I was given the nod to start in Utd’s midfield, you can rest assured that I’d run my socks off and try very hard. I wouldn’t expect 250k a week though, only laughter….


11.) 15 Jul 2021 12:43:17
I actually decided to look into the facts to see if there is any real truth in the labels Fred gets such as giving the ball away, poor passing accuracy etc to see how much truth there is and how much of is confirmation bias.

Of the players with 10+ appearances this season Fred is 4th for average passing accuracy across the whole season with a very respectable 87.7%. if you look at the entire regardless of number of appearances he drops one place to 5th best passing accuracy in the squad.

This means that only 3 players, who play regularly, retain possession with their passing better than Fred.

So clearly the majority of the squad give the ball away with bad/ inaccurate passes more often than Fred.

This seems to be a case of confirmation bias more than him actually giving the ball away regularly. When other player do it, it's less obvious but because you expect Fred to give the ball away you recognise every time he does.

As for being dispossessed or having a bad first touch which results in a loss of possession.

He's dispossessed once on average per game, meaning Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Bruno have the ball taken from them more regularly than Fred. As well as Diallo (although he has a small sample size which might not be fair to count him yet) .

While 13 players have a bad control which leads to a loss of possession more often than Fred on average this season.

So again it is shown that there are many other players in our team who are more likely to turn over possession either though being tackled or by having a poor first touch or control of the ball than Fred.

There are two possible reasons for why people "see" Fred either being tackled, losing the ball, or passing it to an opponent more often than other players.

Firstly, it's confirmation bias, they are expecting to see it so are looking for it. Ask yourself honestly how many times you see the ball passed to Fred and in your head you go "oh no, not Fred he's going to give it away". If you ever have that thought by or similar go through your head then you will be open to confirmation bias.

The second which is much harder to quantify is where and in what situations on the pitch Fred gives the ball away. If he does it just outside our own penalty area and the opposition have a shot or score a goal from than. Well then that's much more obvious to observers than if Rashford loses the ball out wide deep in the opposition half.

If Fred loses the ball in more dangerous areas then it is much more obvious and visible to casual viewers.

In reality it is probably a bit of both, but the truth is somewhere in the middle. Fred actually has a very respectable passing accuracy, while he doesn't give the ball away that often. Around twice every 90 minutes on average though being tackled or having a poor touch this season in fact.

I would suggest the real problem is actually how slowly he and McTominay move the ball on. While Fred might not lose the ball that often from a bad first touch, the extra second or so it takes him to get the ball under control is time lost in which he could be playing a pass in behind the opposition before they are back in their defensive shape.


12.) 15 Jul 2021 13:51:24
Shappy like all stats they are useless without context.
You rightly say other lose possession but its where and when. He might play a pass that goes to a united player. Is that pass a good pass? The correct pass? Is it around the knees or chest? Is it behind the player but he gets to it?
Fred is destructive and combatative but his passing is not creative and usually safe and easy so the stats are not comparable to a winger or forward that are playing higher risk passes or maneuvers .
Fred is not a good passer of the ball my lad could complete 87% of the passes he attempts. But could not play 5% of the ones pogba or Bruno attempt.
He is a work horse with very limited ability offensively he can't be trusted on the ball in key areas.
Sideways and backwards passes of 10 yards in his position are plentiful which will distort the numbers.
He constantly plays poor passes putting his team mates under pressure. The pass may hit the target but there is nothing the receiver can do with some of them.


13.) 15 Jul 2021 13:53:13
Obviously pogba, martial, rashford and Bruno are going to be dispossessed more than Fred.

They actually take risks with the ball and try and take people on, where as Fred just sits there passing sideways and backwards.

Same goes for passing accuracy percentages, they can easily be padded by a high volume of sideways and backwards passing.

If you are going to use stats at least try and contextualize them.


14.) 15 Jul 2021 13:54:15
Might not lose the ball that often from a first touch?

In the words of Roy Keane ‘You’re Joking’.


15.) 15 Jul 2021 14:32:36
I didn't say he was a good passer of the ball, just a generally successful one.

I also said he doesn't lose the ball half as often as everyone believes. Which is backed up by the stats.

I actually go on to say that the problem with him is that while he doesn't give the ball away often when passing it, the passes he plays are too slow and not dangerous/ penetrative enough.

I agree he needs to be upgraded if we are to be successful, all I'm saying is that he isn't the absolute liability that many make him out to be.


16.) 15 Jul 2021 14:33:25
It doesn't take stats to realise how much he misplaces his passes, you just need to watch a game. Fred causes chaos, which does mean he breaks down the play and prevents the opposition from creating momentum, but as I said previously, that also means our plays suffer too. It means we have to go down the flanks where our players are not great crossers. The difference was visible in the amount of chances created in the middle, for Cavani and Martial, before Pogba returned to the side and played on the left. No one mentions how bad Fred is defensively too, he is often caught out of position, making the CBs vulnerable, and often neglates to cover the full backs when they drift inwards to fill the space left by an out of position Lindelof or Maguire. So many goals come from Fred losing the ball or an opposition player finding plenty of room where he should be covering.


17.) 15 Jul 2021 14:34:20
I didn't say he was a good passer of the ball, just a generally successful one.

I also said he doesn't lose the ball half as often as everyone believes. Which is backed up by the stats.

I actually go on to say that the problem with him is that while he doesn't give the ball away often when passing it, the passes he plays are too slow and not dangerous/ penetrative enough.

I agree he needs to be upgraded if we are to be successful, all I'm saying is that he isn't the absolute liability that many make him out to be.


18.) 15 Jul 2021 14:34:29
I didn't say he was a good passer of the ball, just a generally successful one.

I also said he doesn't lose the ball half as often as everyone believes. Which is backed up by the stats.

I actually go on to say that the problem with him is that while he doesn't give the ball away often when passing it, the passes he plays are too slow and not dangerous/ penetrative enough.

I agree he needs to be upgraded if we are to be successful, all I'm saying is that he isn't the absolute liability that many make him out to be.


 

 

08 May 2021 18:24:06
Are City the only team to have managed to keep the same average attendance inspite of the C.V. restrictions?

Looking like they win the league today. They have clearly been the best team all season. I always thought they would struggle if they lost aguero to injury. Pep managed to find a way to be even more devastating playing with a false 9 and more solidity in midfield.

Well done city, as much as it pains me to say.

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{Ed014's Note - nice post DB and no one could really argue.


1.) 08 May 2021 19:44:16
City have been the best side but I don't think they're better than previous seasons. They've had a clear run at the league since we conceded it in January. They havnt had pressure put on them at all. Which makes it a frustrating season. They may win the league with 85 points. Ken said at the start of the season we should be getting above 80 points and I agreed.

I would have liked to see them pushed a bit further because I don't think incarnation of City of better than previous ones.


2.) 08 May 2021 19:46:39
We're still in it👍.


3.) 08 May 2021 20:07:09
Today i watched City - chelski, Spurs vs Leeds, RB vs Dortmund and Barcelona vs Atletico. Either the footy overdose is blurring my thoughts but EPL referees are by far the worst of the lot. When it comes to big decisions in a game it s like playing roulette.
Which is a pity considering the amounts of funds invested in the game. I still can't believe that there aren't better officials than the Atwells and Pausons of this world.


4.) 08 May 2021 21:37:55
Mumbles despite their lead and cl final i agree. We'll there are not as fluid or easy on the eye. But they are more sturdy and efficient.
Better at the back. Still a great watch imo. Superbly well filled and coached by the best in the business at the moment imo.


5.) 09 May 2021 08:15:34
Does pep stay if they lose to chelsea in the champions league?
Pep would only want to win 1 trophy and that is the champions league. He's failed to do so in years with Bayern and city.


6.) 09 May 2021 09:06:23
By that logic if Pep wins the CL the CL he will be off, silver lining and all that.

{Ed014's Note - why would he leave, where’s a better place to be than City?


 

 

18 Feb 2021 12:40:06
Racial abuse is becoming more and more prominent in football. At least it is a hot topic and being reported more - maybe it was always there.

How long until the ceremonial kneeling that has now made everyone feel they are taking "some action" against this disease needs to become something more tangible, like striking. I really feel that we are not far away from players on a big game day from deciding amongst themselves to walk off in a flash strike. Imagine the impact, massive game everyone kneels, then all players walk off leaving the commentators to try to explain what just happened. The gesture of kneeling has completely lost it's message.

DodgyBanter

1.) 18 Feb 2021 13:16:43
The power lies with the top social media providers to make it harder, or impossible, for people to have untraceable accounts and hide behind them. I can't even understand why they are able to.


2.) 18 Feb 2021 13:33:55
Spenno, it's because many people around the world don't have a valid i'd and are unable to obtain one. If social media platforms are to require i'd it will cut off millions of people and further favour the so called "privileged".

Also I don't think silencing the racists is a long term solution. A lot more needs to be done to educate people and stop this at its source so that the next generation aren't brought up in a world where such nastiness exists.


3.) 18 Feb 2021 14:56:07
Surely with these absolutely massive social media companies having the top end algorithms, artificial intelligence and machine learning tools, it wouldn't be too difficult to put in a filter which prevents messages with racial abuse in them from being posted or seen by player targeted.

For example and i know they're not all like that i saw the abuse that Axel Tuanzebe received and it was literally a long string of monkey emojis. Surely some algorithm can be used which flags that as racial abuse and the message gets destroyed or held back.


4.) 18 Feb 2021 15:39:05
It's a reflection of the deep divides within society currently. People are angry, confused and looking for people to blame, or just looking to feel good about themselves by elevating themselves above another group by putting that group down.

It doesn't matter what the divide is, gender, race, class, age, or political view point. At some point over the past 12 months the media have targeted one group or another. How many stories have we seen about "immigrants", "gender rights", "people on benefits", "youngsters", "Brexiters" or "Remainers", and how many of these articles are written in a positive manner?

It's always doom and gloom, the younger generation are ruining the country, or its immigrants, or benefit cheats, or LGBTQ.

The media run story after story blaming each group for all the wrongs in society. Then people are surprised when tensions form between groups of people.

When it comes to these social problems being seen in football it can be hard to tell if its life imitating art or art imitating life. I don't for one second believe football is a driver behind racism, it is one of the most inclusive sports in the world. The issue is that it attracts a lot of attention and not everyone who enjoys and follows football has the capacity or intelligence or are self aware enough to understand their actions and thoughts.

Their displaced anger at life and their current situations often lead to them to lashing out and people's skin tone is an easy target.

In terms of combating it, education, education, education. That is the only way to tackle the issue long term. You need to educate as many people as possible to as high a level as they can achieve.

While social media has to step up, if they can sensor a Presidents tweets then they can filter out criminal acts such as racial abuse if they want to. This sort of language and thoughts have no place in society and social media needs to take a stand.

The rest of us just need to make sure we are as respectful as we can be to each other, remember that our children will follow our example far more closely than they will follow our direction. Teaching your children about what is and isn't acceptable extends to being the example for them. Educate them, and anyone else you can, as best you can.


5.) 18 Feb 2021 20:50:14
Verified accounts and AI blocking racism.
Pretty easy imo.


6.) 18 Feb 2021 21:15:34
The players can do so much but ultimately when it comes to racist abuse in the grounds at matches the supporters have got to show the moral strength and point out the culprits to ground staff.

Then provided proven guilty maybe before each match a photo montage with names of racists could be shown on the big screen. Shame them and ban them for life from every football ground. All ticket holders should be easily tracked down to their address in this computer age.

As regards social media abuse the government has to pass laws to make the platforms like twitter instagram etc take proactive steps to trace the culprits. Also if the likes of google can spend millions developing algorithms allowing the public to be targeted to specific adverts to encourage spending on certain items then they should be compelled to devote more resources to weed out this rubbish and filth polluting the internet. Maybe a compulsory tax or a fine for every racist comment with fines increasing for each new post? A lot of liberals will bleat about it but affirmative action needs to be taken.

The long term solution though is to educate our children better and to make racism or discrimination of any form which is malicious to be as socially unacceptable as drink driving is now. It is impossible to eradicate but we all have a duty to do better and reduce it to the least possible.


7.) 18 Feb 2021 23:19:51
These **** should be fined or put in prison. Everyone should be able to do their job without fear of receiving hateful abuse; racist or otherwise.


 

 

04 Feb 2021 01:06:40
Thanks Jesse, best contribution for utd all season. 😂.

DodgyBanter

1.) 04 Feb 2021 08:07:49
The Jessiah is back.


2.) 04 Feb 2021 11:11:15
Messi Lingard, proving he's better than Grealish 🙌.


 

 

03 Feb 2021 12:40:26
Apologies to Red man. I re-read your post and honestly I have no idea why I called you out for something you didn't write. I think I must have been hallucinating due to over work. 🙏

Not seen on here, so thought I would post. Is Diaz the latest great player that got away from us? What a strong and composed defended he looks at the back for city. I know there was interest, but we lost out to city. He is exactly what we need at the back with mcguire.

DodgyBanter

1.) 03 Feb 2021 12:45:29
Diaz is a leader. Never stops talking and organizing.


2.) 03 Feb 2021 12:53:14
Ruben Dias has looked excellent for City this season, solid, simple defending, while also being good on the ball.

However, I think the way Stones has stepped up this season has been fantastic. Toward the end of last season he looked destined for the exit door, his bubble had burst and he simply didn't look good enough. Yet this season he is keeping Laporte out of the team, who up until this season looked comfortably City's best defender, and arguably only the second best defender in the league behind VvD.

I do think City switching from a single to a double pivot in midfield has made a big difference though. That extra body shielding the defence means they are tested less than they have been in previous years.


3.) 03 Feb 2021 12:54:38
Just think if we had added Van Dijk rather than Lindelof or supported Mourinho’s interest in Dias. All water under the bridge now but agree they’re quality players.


4.) 03 Feb 2021 15:23:39
Yeah to think we could have a CB pairing of Dias and VvD is absolutely heart breaking. If only we were a well run club.

{Ed047's Note - it did make me laugh earlier in the season when United fans were dismissing that as poor defensively.

They have been immense and always looked like they would be with Dias.


 

 

 

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27 Jun 2021 03:35:56
Mad,

But to say all that. Did england and man utd look significantly better with him in the team or out of it? He is far better than everyone likes to say on here.

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17 Jun 2021 13:04:01
Could say exactly the same about your views on Ole redman. Everyone is entrenched at the moment.

Ole will still be here next year. He deserves to be here next year after a solid 2nd place and whilst a reasonable showing in the cups.

We will invest in some new players to freshen the squad. We will also develop more together as a team.

Everyone is keen to say we will be lucky to get top 4 again next year, but we will not be far away again, we are looking up not down.

What did Pep do in his first 2 seasons? What about Klopp? Both brought in players and freshened their squads, it is a process.

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28 Apr 2021 02:01:20
Sparky has ruff! Taste in music 🐶.

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04 Feb 2021 01:14:17
I think Gaitan and Shhhhhnydur will come this year.

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16 Dec 2020 04:36:14
Do we really have to keep taking about Shappy's bias? Feels like an episode of Jerry Springer.

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23 Jul 2021 17:43:11
Exactly Shappy.

All footballers are bonkers it seems, but a few signs that Sancho is a pretty switched on kid. I think he found a good place to play and he sees this club developing well over next couple of years. The good times are coming 👀.

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23 Jul 2021 16:25:53
Well done getting Sancho over the line at a good price. Great business.

I was really impressed how he came into the england games and didn't try to do too much, he was still playing simple and sensible team football.

Number 25 as well, not trying to be too flashy?

I hope he goes on to make a big legacy for himself at man utd. Very ex itjng player who. Certainly adds something extra to our squad.

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23 Jul 2021 00:08:48
Congrats Caolin

Welcome to the world Tommy Shappy GDS Mumbles Noucamp Ken Zee Sydney Leahy NoMidfield Red Man Caolin ;)

Remember to enjoy these first few weeks.

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22 Jul 2021 14:44:46
That would be intresting RLF

Almost impossible to make that list right Ed. Even within a season teams will move around on form and togetherness/ spirit. City looked odds on for 4 trophies at one point, but messed it up again at the business end. Chelsea looked awful, but then finished very strong.

Hard to argue with your listing though.

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20 Jul 2021 23:19:02
I thought supa was just agreeing with everyone in the thread 🤣

Ken, so you don't have trust in Ole? 🤣.

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