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26 Jun 2023 23:19:49
Eds,
Are we really considering moving Sancho on?
Surely one more season with the right people around him would make more sense.
{Ed002's Note - At the right price.}
1.) 27 Jun 2023 05:49:55
The £45 million being quoted is crazy.
2.) 27 Jun 2023 07:42:22
Difficult one i would think for the club. He is no mug and a quality player at a very young age. For 50 mill I would think they will let him go.
We could use the money and hopefully do better with how we spend it. He is a left winger but does not suit our style of play and we have plenty of options to play on the left.
Need to fix our right wing, Antony just does not do it for me. I think 40 mill player at best. got taken to the cleaners on that one.
3.) 27 Jun 2023 08:08:50
Im still not sure LW is the best position for Sancho, I think he is better at the RW. The price is alright for him, we can't really sell him for less than 45-50 mil.
I wouldn't judge Antony just yet, it was his first season at the club, in a much stronger league. He didn't "wow" anyone, but he wasnt that bad either.
4.) 27 Jun 2023 08:31:11
Personally I have seen nothing to suggest that this season will be any different from previous where he shows promise but does not deliver. We all think that the left is Rashford/ Ganracho, his value is ever decreasing so if EtH decides he is not right then we should sell and re-invest in other areas that we need.
We over spent on him so anywhere close to £45/ 50m and would do it.
5.) 27 Jun 2023 08:32:05
I would fancy that a decent side would take a punt of him at a reasonable price, he's still young and clearly has something, just hasn't been able to replicate it for us. Trouble is everyone sees us coming and triples the valuations of their players so it'd be interesting to see what £50m gets us these days. Couple of matchballs and pasties?
6.) 27 Jun 2023 08:39:23
Crazy because he's worth half of that. We will be lucky to get 40m.
7.) 27 Jun 2023 09:48:14
Personally I think Jadon is a quality footballer. He was smashing the Bundesliga up before he came to us. You can use the excuse that the German league isn’t as good, maybe so, but it isn’t exactly a Sunday pub league is it!?
I’d give him one more season based on the fact that you don’t just become rubbish overnight. However, I don’t think his problems lie on the football side, I think he needs a lot of work on the mental side of being a top sportsman. Nobody really knows the facts behind what happened earlier in the season, but it’s pretty evident that the lads confidence is completely shot, even now. I’d give him another season working with Eric and working with sports psychologists and see where we are next summer. Although having said that, the fact they’d be open to offers suggests they are more privy and informed to his future prospects than we are.
45 million doesn’t buy much nowadays anyway so I’d stick with him for another year.
8.) 27 Jun 2023 09:58:26
If we can get between 40-50m I would take it and move on. I think he needs it just as much as we do.
9.) 27 Jun 2023 13:00:58
He’s got Spurs written all over him!
10.) 27 Jun 2023 13:16:52
Trolo
Sancho had one good game at right wing I think and not his fav position.
Antony for 90 mill is a massive overspent and god we could have used the money this summer. If not for greenwood we would never have even bought him I reckon.
That kind of money is spent on highly established players from major European leagues. He is very temperamental, one dimensional and predictable. His crossing is so so poor for a winger. Never have to worry about him going on the outside and easy for defenders, opposite of sacko at arsenal, who is class class.
Good entertainment if you like little tricks that have no bearing on the game.
11.) 27 Jun 2023 18:21:12
Eric’s only blemish if you ask me, nepotism meaning we paid way over the odds for a player lacking in pace and extremely one dimensional. Gakpo should have been signed ahead of him.
12.) 29 Jun 2023 06:46:40
Good lord you would think some of our own fans hate our team.
Antony may not have set the world alight this season, however I will remind you that it was his first season at the club, and I for one think he did very well by all accounts.
I think if you pay attention to Antony’s game, he brings a hell of a lot to the team dimensionally. Look at the statistics for games we threw away late on, and have a look specifically at when Antony was brought off the pitch and when the opposition then scored and got back into to game. I believe you will be extremely pleasantly surprised.
He knows the system ETH wants to implement, he offers width and he tracks back. let's also not forget the fact our right back position was equivalent to the role of Batman, being chopped and changed nearly every game. As a winger this does not provide a good foundation for a relationship to be built on your side of the pitch.
Also, the fact you mention ‘lack of pace’ informs me quite well that your opinion as useful as a chocolate kettle. The kid was the fast player in our squad last season, and by quite some distance of almost half a kilometre per hour faster than that individual in second place.
Give the kid a damn chance and stop expecting every damn winger to be a basic 442 winger like Giggs/ Beckham or a superstar like Ronaldo/ Rashford (Rashford used lightly in this sentence) .
Alas, I make mention that Arjen Robben was the most one dimensional player the universe has ever seen. It was like he had a manuscript built in, which he couldn’t divert away from. However, he damn well sure enough was one of the most electric players around. I bet you knew he was world class all his career, right? Or was it just when he ended up and Bayern and matured more as a player?
Thank the heavens that no fans drove him away for being too one dimensional.
Fergies most famous quote of “Football, bloody hell” should be re-quoted for nowadays with “Football fans, bloody hell” with regards to spoilt fans.
01 Sep 2022 09:26:22
Eds,
Will there be any action for utd today?
{Ed002's Note - Odds and ends - Chong will go.}
1.) 01 Sep 2022 14:13:28
I'd imagine a few out the door and Dubravka confirmed.
2.) 01 Sep 2022 14:22:11
The Garner deal to Everton looks like it's nearly done.
3.) 01 Sep 2022 15:01:49
Where's he going ed? Birmingham?
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
4.) 01 Sep 2022 20:56:35
Thanks Ed. Good move for him. Will watch them when I get a chance with hannibal there aswell.
28 Jul 2022 14:08:36
Eds,
Is FDJ still a legitimate target?
Is there any other positions we are looking at investing?
Thanks.
{Ed077's Note - this has been done to death(by Ed002, so not even gonna leave it for him).
Yes and Yes.
1.) 28 Jul 2022 14:55:06
I’m drawing my own conclusions at this point. I don’t believe the club (even in it’s current position) would let this drag out all Summer if there wasn’t significant confidence that a deal could be struck. Neither do I believe that United would pursue a player who had no interest in joining the club. The Timber situation is a good example of this.
I believe the player is waiting for assurances from Barcelona that he will receive a significant portion of the monies owed to him. Once he has this, he’ll go public with his intentions to join United.
I do not believe for one minute that the player has any reservations about joining United.
2.) 28 Jul 2022 15:20:43
TOHOM, I believe the club would do that, I think most of our transfer dealings continue to be handled by amateurs.
3.) 28 Jul 2022 15:31:22
AJH - you seriously doubt that the club has received assurances from FDJ’s camp that a transfer is desirable?!
4.) 28 Jul 2022 16:00:13
EtH wants FDJ and the club want to do everything in their power to give the manager what he wants/ needs to succeed.
I don't think FDJ wants to leave Barcelona. Why would he? Especially to a club that is currently no where near challenging for top honours.
I think the club have been told by Barcelona that for the right price FDJ is for sale.
Barcelona need to either get FDJ off the wage bill or get him to agree to a lower wage.
From their perspective getting United to bid and agree a price is the perfect scenario.
They now have as strong a hand as they could to play against FDJ. Either sign up to lower wages or move to United.
I think FDJ is resisting this. He wants to stay at Barcelona and for Barcelona to honour the contract they signed him to.
We are now in this stand off, I expect that United have been told by Barcelona that they will push for FDJ to leave.
As such United are probably hanging on hoping to be able to sign EtH's top target.
I think Barcelona playing FDJ at CB is part of the club's tactics to try and get him to accept the United offer.
What I find odd about the whole thing is that United have had a deal agreed for over two weeks now. And yet there isn't even a whisper about negotiations going on between United and the players agent.
Have they met with the agent to discuss terms?
If so how have they gone? Has an offer been made that FDJ and his agent would accept?
If no terms have been discussed then why?
I also found EtH's comments about United moving for their targets when the time is right very interesting.
EtH has been fairly forthright and seems a straight talker. I wonder if he gave too much away with that comment. Who was he talking about?
The FDJ deal has been agreed with Barcelona, so that would suggest he was referring to someone else.
Maybe the club know that FDJ isn't going to sign for United but don't want to publicly end their interest for some reason.
Maybe it's so they can negotiate with another club for a different player with the media focus on FDJ. Maybe ending interest publicly would seem like a very public defeat. Maybe they think the deal could still go ahead.
Either way we won't know what is happening until something actually happens.
It's just a waiting game.
5.) 28 Jul 2022 16:01:02
Actually disagree AJH. I think previously this has been the case but more recently we have dealt with transfers better. Yes, certainly room for improvement but I’ve stated previously, it’s not just on the pitch matters we are trying to improve and undo poor attitude/ commitment but also off the pitch matters, such as poor transfer dealings. To many years now clubs have seen us coming from a mile out and mugged us off and we need to change that. Sancho is a good example, we were interested, they upped their valuation, we waited a year and got him cheaper than they wanted. Malacia is another good example, if we’d shown our cards early we most likely would have paid over the odds for him.
FDJ is such a unique and unheard of situation I don’t know what else United could do? We agreed a fee for him with Barca, a fair fee as well and TOHOM, I think FDJ has given indication he would come but would you walk away from £17M especially when you took a paycut to help in the first place and then see signings coming in left, right and centre? I don’t think not wanting to leave Barcelona means not wanting to come to United.
So I think the amateur tag, although still there, is starting to go IMO.
6.) 28 Jul 2022 17:41:29
Just so many conflicting reports with FdJ, hard to know what truth really is.
Some reports of him having spoken to ETH, some say no contact.
Some reports say he’s open to a move, some say no way.
Some reports say he’ll consider a wage reduction. Some say that he’s just hanging on to be paid,
For what it’s worth, I tend to agree with Shappy on all the reasons why he probably won’t come (backed up by Ed002 reinforcing his desire to stay at Barcelona and not downgrade to United) but there’s still a bit of hope that he might be persuaded - I believe he’s a world class player similar in magnitude to Kevin De Bryne.
If we don’t sign him, maybe the midfield space will be filled by the mouldable Garner. Can’t see us getting SMS as he’s not the sort of player that ETH wants. Wouldn’t mind Nunes though.
At least ETH has a definite idea of who he wants and is prepared to wait for the right player rather than just make signings to then put a square into a circle - and be stuck with them with no place in the squad for when the right player IS available.
7.) 28 Jul 2022 18:57:27
Most reports say he does nort want to come to United, Ed002 says he doesn't want to come to United, why are people still thinking he might come?
This has gone on for too long already. Yes the Manager wants him but jeez, time for us to move on.
8.) 28 Jul 2022 20:53:54
Anyone that can't see what's really going on needs to give their head a wobble. Clearly FDJ would prefer to stay at Barcelona but has given at the very least an indication to ETH that he is willing to move if Barcelona want rid, but can't go public as it will weaken his position in terms of getting his owed wages. Read between the lines. Clearly not many poker players on here!
9.) 28 Jul 2022 22:04:15
Redarmy, that's the thing though, I don't think FDJ has given anyone any sort of hint that he would come to United.
Why are there no rumours of us being in discussions with his agent over two weeks after we agreed a fee with his club.
I think the only indication United have the FDJ could be for sale is from Barcelona themselves, who seem intent on forcing him out the door.
10.) 29 Jul 2022 07:28:58
Steady on redarmy with that sensible opinion of your own. ajh has told what is going happen and what you must think ?.
11.) 29 Jul 2022 09:07:23
Manchester United and EtH want FDJ.
Barcelona want to sell FDJ to free up wages and bring in money.
FDJ's agent will almost certainly be happy to broker a deal and get paid millions for their services.
If FDJ wanted to move to Manchester United he'd be here already. We agreed a deal with Barcelona 2 weeks ago. Yet has his agent even met with the club to see what is on offer? Because there are literally ZERO rumours that he has.
Does anybody find that odd? We have known about all the offers United have made, when the meetings have taken place etc. Literally every aspect of this deal has been spoken about in the press. Yet no one, not even Romero know if FDJ's agent has discussed possible terms with Manchester United.
We have been free to talk terms to TWO weeks and nothing.
FDJ doesn't want to come to Manchester United, he might be forced out of Barcelona and there is a chance we get him that way. But he will be dragged kicking and screaming to Manchester.
16 May 2021 21:57:22
Eds,
Sorry if you already explained. Do you have an idea of who we might seriously be looking at inbthe summer?
{Ed014's Note - do a little searching fella, it has all been explained, I’m sure someone on here will point you in the right direction.
1.) 16 May 2021 23:34:45
I think Pau Torres is the main target for CB and then Varane maybe becomes an option. Tom Heaton will come for free, we want to buy a right back for competition for Bissaka and Tripier+Aaron comes to mind. Then the club maybe look at right winger again with Sancho Raphinha and a wild card like Sar or Dempele. Personally i think we will buy Sancho this time. Then maybe a midfielder depending on Pogba-Donny situation. Hope I helped!
08 Aug 2019 07:07:54
Lukaku on his way. Could be a good day!
1.) 08 Aug 2019 11:24:34
With Lukaku on his way it’s already a good day
We have turned a page.
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21 Oct 2023 16:19:20
RIP Bobby. Manchester will never forget ?.
1.) 21 Oct 2023 21:23:32
Sad day indeed.
11 Aug 2023 08:07:51
EDs
Is there realistically any more inbound activity that you could tip us off on?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained interest in players.}
1.) 11 Aug 2023 11:51:57
Amrabat, a CB (Pavard, Todibo or Tapsoba apparently), and maybe a young GK that none of us have ever heard of.
Nothing shocking or particularly exciting. With Amrabat being the only one who will likely play regularly in the first 11.
12 May 2023 07:58:40
With the season closing soon and hopefully finishing 4th and looking tk the new season. Who do we see as academy talent that is likely to get a chance next year?
I think there is some great players with the potential, if we see Mcfred gone, do we buy or promote?
1.) 12 May 2023 09:24:12
Give Mainoo, Iqbal and Amad a proper chance. The one thing that has surprised me the most about EtH is just how little game time the youngsters have got. He has flogged the likes of Bruno and Rashford all season. Pellistri should have atleast seen more game time since Antony has been underwhelming most games. He played the first 11 against Reading who are pants and we lost Eriksen for 2 months. Obviously we don't have much quality beyond the first 11 but he still needs to rotate more.
2.) 12 May 2023 09:45:29
unruly
That's the one thing I am also critical of eth although a big fan of him. IMO he has played the same guys too many times and the team looks tired and knackered and besieged with injuries.
If you are going to go for every cup competition and PL aspirations you can't play these guys every game when its like 60 games. They eventually break down or just run on fumes.
Even if we get a drop in performance by not playing our best 11 every game, that is part of football in terms of managing your squad to get to the finish line.
I know it may not be popular view but I hope we have greenwood back and fix our right side for next year. 10x better than Antony for me. the Idiot is a 80 to 100 million player if this issue had not happened and has a very high ceiling.
IF he ends up in Italy as reported he will light up that league.
3.) 12 May 2023 10:15:44
Ahmad, me as well on EtH. I am a big fan, he is a breath of fresh air and for the first time in years we are actually pleasing to watch most games. He just needs to rotate more. I'd rather we lost a game because we were rotating than because the players on the pitch were just too knackered and carrying niggling injuries. Atleast this way we get to find out if any of the squad players are worth keeping and who should be shown the door.
4.) 12 May 2023 11:04:33
I agree with the point on Greenwood. Bottom line is, he wasn't charged. No one got bent up when Ronaldo paid that girl off. let's see if UTD keep him.
Maybe next year ETH will rotate more in the league cup. It was important to get silverware this year. Next will be more focused on champs league and EPL. i hope.
5.) 12 May 2023 12:51:23
Load of rubbish!
These youngsters may have all the potential in the worbutbthis is Manchester United, always one game away from a crisis! Kids can’t just be thrown in willy nilly! ETH sees them all every day, he’s learning about every player old or young every day and if he deems them not ready then that is the case!
Whoever eluded to fact he flogs Bruno to death, that’s because it’s absolutely necessary because our record without him and suitable replacement is appalling!
Blooding youngsters is easy when the team are flying, at the moment it’d be huge mismanagement to throw them into a team that are struggling!
6.) 13 May 2023 06:45:04
Isn't it a worry though Chris, that we have become a one man team and any injury/ suspension for Bruno sees the team fall apart. Surely that needs to be addressed in the summer.
I thought we would have seen more of the youngsters like Pellistri and Iqbal this year.
7.) 13 May 2023 09:37:59
Bruno has been flogged. As have the likes of Rashford. The manager needs to rotate. No one said anything about starting the under 15s in the league. One player at a time. What a load of nonsense from you Chris.
09 Aug 2022 10:04:12
Eds,
Please give us some hope and tell us utd haven't gone completely mad.
Do we still have a chance of a midfielder that isn't colour blind?
04 Aug 2022 07:29:48
Lets assume we don't get FDJ.
Lets assume as soon as we line a replacement up, CR7 is off.
Who are the credible targets?
I have to be honest, with the poor performances of the last few seasons, I'd just like to see better football with fully engaged players. That would be a great step towards being competitive again.
1.) 04 Aug 2022 09:01:20
Neves seems a likely midfield option. His reputation was forged a few years ago on the back of the handful of worldies he plucks out most seasons, even though in my view he hasn't been nearly as effective in the last season or two.
Up front it seems Sekso is seen as a long-term signing regardless of CR7's fate. If he does go then arguably we need a more experienced signing. It seems may the plan is to keep Ronaldo and bed Sekso in for a season but who knows if it will go that way.
Antony's price seems to be rising by the day and doesn't seem viable. It's not my money but of course has an impact on our budget and what else we can do.
So many ifs and buts. Good to hear ten Hag again reiterate that it's about signing the right player/ s and being strict with that philosophy. You get the impression the likes of Depay would have been snapped up like a sale item in a Co-Op bargain bin by now by previous regimes.
2.) 04 Aug 2022 10:12:09
You'd expect FDJ alternatives to have a similar skillset, more ball playing players rather than ball winners.
Ruben Neves is an obvious name that consistently gets linked. EPL experience. I'm not sure if he has the dribbling skills and mobility that EtH looks for. Plus he'd cost upward of 60m, which is a lot for a second/ third choice option.
Youri Tielemans is another who has EPL experience, is more mobile and a better dribbler than Neves and is available for around half the price given his contract situation.
Fabian Ruiz is a name who has been linked recently. Ticks all the boxes in terms of skillset. Could be available for a reasonable price given his contract situation.
Personally beyond those three you really are dropping down a level in terms of quality that is available. We
Renato Sanches has been linked recently but I'd steer clear of him due to his injuries.
Leandro Parades is another who could be a short term option if he's available cheap enough.
Adrien Rabiot is another who's name occasionally pops up, but he seems like he's more trouble than he's worth, especially if the apron strings aren't cut.
For me if the FDJ deal collapses then I'd go for one of Tielemans or Fabian Ruiz. Who EtH goes for is another question though.
In terms of strikers I really think options are short on the ground. I don't think any top tier options are left available on the market, especially to a side who doesn't have UCL football and isn't going to challenge for the league title this season.
Sesko seems the obvious choice at the moment. I think we will need to look at highly rated youngsters or players who offer something different as a back up type option.
Speaking of which Sasa Kalajdzic is a name that keeps getting linked. I'm not so keen on this lad. He seems to be a late bloomer having a great season last year. But at 25 you need to ask is he a top talent or a player who had a purple patch season. Also forward players tend to score more in the Bundesliga. We have seen many forward players score plenty in Germany and then be unable to replicate that form elsewhere. Looks like an Austrian Peter Crouch.
Depay has been linked but it doesn't seem like a serious option.
Moussa Dembele from Lyon could be a smart move. Scores at a fairly consistent rate, available for a reasonable price given his contract situation.
Tammy Abraham could be an interesting option. I think he'd adapt well to EtH's style and could be the next Haller under him. However, he would be expensive and I'm not sure many United fans would be thrilled with signing Abraham.
3.) 04 Aug 2022 10:30:00
You can’t make FdJ your number one transfer target, chase him all Summer, delay other deals whilst negotiations are on going and only to come up short. That just can’t happen! Arnold and Murtough must deliver him or face the consequences surely even they can’t be so incompetent.
4.) 04 Aug 2022 10:54:03
Stop being negative DLIB, wheres your enthusiasm?
Ruudvanhorsehead's rumour replies
27 Jun 2023 05:49:55
The £45 million being quoted is crazy.
22 Sep 2020 17:13:14
GDS,
Fair point. we are far better at making promises and not delivering.
Still, hopefully we pull a win tonight, we need this cup!
22 Sep 2020 14:46:13
Why do we always leave it until the end of window and panic buy.
02 Aug 2019 17:46:59
In terms of attacking flare we have Chong and Greenwood not to mention Gomes.
Fernandes would be great don't get me wrong but as it stands we have had a good transfer window.
24 May 2019 21:39:44
Why do I get the feeling that this could be snieder all over again?
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04 Nov 2023 19:25:50
Antony should not feature in the next game.
29 Oct 2023 19:44:29
And let's face it, utd has spent a lot of money over the last 5 years and not stepped forward.
If we lose to Newcastle, season is over.
04 Oct 2023 08:03:56
My only criticism is that he doesn't like to drop players he bought. The very players that are not doing it right now. let's be honest. Antony- huge waste of money. Onana - shocker. Mount - Chelsea are still laughing.
He let a great left back go out on loan, he could be doing a better job of what we have right now. Its poor.
On a positive, i have moved the sofa so i can hide behind it for the next match ?.
19 Sep 2023 06:28:18
Well we have had 5 games rest. so not sure its over working them. i'm surprised Onana hasn't put his back out lifting the ball out the net so often.
15 Sep 2023 18:22:20
Id expect Roy Keane to. but he likes his sky sports job now so will keep his tongue.