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11 Aug 2023 14:12:18
Not heard much of a mention of Ryan Gravenberch. I seem to remember Ed02 intimated that he would be keen on a move to Utd and I imagine he would cost less than Amrabat. Seeing as we are likely losing Fred, McT and Donny, I would love to see Gravenberch come in since he can cover practcally any midfield position. Add to that he's still quite young, already knows the manager's system and most of all, is actually keen on a move.
{Ed002's Note - Ryan Gravenberch (CM/DM/AM) Versatile midfield player who only joined Bayern Munich last summer and wasn't to be for sale, unless the Head Coach decides he can join the lengthy list of players now available as he looks towards a rebuild and with Brazzo Salihamidzic being sacked that has become more likely. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool to Bayern Munich at this time, but that may change, and Team Mino are certainly not offering him around, but they have had enquiries from a number of clubs, including Manchester City. The player is making demands about being a starter and game time and Bayern Munich have told Team Mino he can be sold. Newcastle may offer up an acceptable bid, they are certainly interested. There is interest from Italy but that may not suit the player. The player has made it clear he would like his next move to be to Manchester United and they may provide an option if available. Liverpool will likely offer another option and will have spoken with his Agents. A wildcard maybe Juventus.}
1.) 11 Aug 2023 14:25:39
Thanks for the info Ed02. Are United considering him as an option?
{Ed002's Note - It will depend on departures.}
2.) 11 Aug 2023 14:31:19
If the transfer sum isn't outrageous he's got to be a good shout to give an actual chance. Ed I know you don't like talking money but would a reasonable amount be able to acquire him or would Bayern be looking for a very high sum to sell him?
{Ed077's Note - €30m might be the ball park figure.}
3.) 11 Aug 2023 14:39:28
An absolute steal at that price.
Plays multiple positions, still young and has a very good relationship with ten hag. Will hopefully get the best out of him.
Only issue is would he come if he wasn’t a guaranteed starter?
Mount, Bruno and Casemiro will be our starting 3 so will need to to work to get them out the team.
4.) 11 Aug 2023 14:51:18
30M Euros in this day and age where midfielders are going for 105/ 110M of the queens finest seems like a real steal. Would be lovely to get both him and Amrabat but obviously the paths of Mejbri and Mainoo gets blocked which isn't nice. Thanks for the info Eds.
5.) 11 Aug 2023 15:19:00
Would much rather him than Amrabat. Granted, Amrabat is a better Cas deputy right now, but Gravenberch has a much higher ceiling. If both are priced around the €30m mark, it seems like an easy choice to me. Obviously, Ten Haag may see things differently though, especially having worked with Gravenberch at Ajax.
6.) 11 Aug 2023 23:54:19
Imagine both Arambat and Gravenberch! Wow. It’s probably doable if Mctominay leaves….
I think we need Arambat more though. We really struggled without Casemiro last season.
7.) 12 Aug 2023 10:42:44
Pavard and Gravenberch in.
Maguire, Fred, McTominay out.
Could be a big overhaul in players hopefully they gel quickly.
8.) 12 Aug 2023 13:03:57
Gravenberch is the profile of player i would like to see us target, ypung and takented, suits Ten Hag system, struggled in Germany last year but he is very young at a very comoetitive club in a new country, wouldn't read mucb into it.
Arambaat i am undecided on really, don't know much about him outside of WC and highlights if a couple of Fiorentina games.
9.) 12 Aug 2023 16:36:41
I haven't really seen him play much this year, so I may be misremembering. From what I remember though I got the impression he was more suited to be part of a double pivot with a partner who sat deeper giving him more freedom to roam and win the ball, rather than being the main defensive midfielder. Like Fred but better with the ball.
IMO we need a midfielder who can partner Casemiro when a little extra defensively, and can anchor the midfield himself with Mount as a number 8.
10.) 12 Aug 2023 17:19:30
Watch quite a bit of Ajax, under Ten Ha he played on the left side of a midfield two in front of Alvarez and alongside Berghuis. Berghuis generally the more advanced (Brhno role) and Gravenberch in what i assume is the Mount role. When the wide men drift inside he would also protect the left.
His place in the squad woukd be to cover for Mount, with Mount being the primary cover for Bruno. In truth i don't think Erikksen has the legs anymore for these roles. don't see him being much more than a sub this year and cup matches. He also is a sensibke head when needed and appears to be a good influence on the squad plus is well versed in the system.
Not saying he is a priority just he fits the profile of the type of players we should be going for.
Personally i think we are at least 2 yeara away and he can grow into the team.
11.) 13 Aug 2023 12:00:13
I really like Gravenberch, but I'm not sure he is what we need right now.
Definitely more of a No.8 than either a 6 or 10 (although he can play those roles to varying degrees) . Personally I'd say he's a more effective carrier of the ball than a passer. That's not to say he isn't an accomplished passer, just that for me his best work in progressing the ball comes from when he drops the shoulder and drives forward through a line of pressure with the ball and takes 2-3 of the opposition players out of the play. He isn't the guy to pick out a killer through ball that unlocks the opposition very often.
From that perspective I feel he is far more suited to playing as a box to box 8 given the freedom to bomb forward with the ball at his feet. As a holding player (No.6) he won't have the same freedom to drive forward with the ball, and would have to rely more heavily on his passing to effect play in possession. While defensively/ off the ball he's okay but not outstanding. Capable of making tackles etc but clearly defensive work isn't his passion.
I think we need someone who's far more comfortable playing as a No.6/ holding midfielder someone whose first instinct is to win the ball and shield the defence. Whose skillset is based on reading the game and controlling the space in front of the defence. If they can also be an expensive passer of the ball, someone who can pick out a 50 or 60 yard forward pass to open the opposition up and turn defence into attack then great.
That's not Gravenberch though.
12.) 13 Aug 2023 16:30:17
I like thuram if we can afford him, if not Ambrabat. Thuram has a super high ceiling. Watched him year live before last and thought here is a proper player and obviously getting better last year.
17 May 2023 13:10:22
Ed002, if you have the time, do Man Utd hold any interest in Gift Orban of Gent?
{Ed002's Note - Gift Orban (S) Although he has only just signed, his value is doing wonders for the club who may reluctantly cash in during the summer. Agent has spoken with Hertha Berlin and Leicester. Lille and Inter have a declared interest and plenty of scouts have been attending games.
1.) 17 May 2023 13:30:05
Thanks for your time and insight Ed. He looks quite the talent.
29 Dec 2022 08:07:16
Ed 002,
You mentioned that Utd may approach Jonathan David. Is Depay also an alternative target? Seeing as he's out of contract in the summer and isn't first choice at Barca.
{Ed002's Note - He was one of the options I listed.}
1.) 29 Dec 2022 10:42:41
Ed - are the club able to make signings in Jan or are the they only looking at loan deals?
{Ed002's Note - It depends on what they wish to do.}
2.) 29 Dec 2022 15:59:24
This is starting to whiff of Morata for 6 months.
3.) 29 Dec 2022 16:23:19
Would love a striker of Morata's mould for 6 months. Even Depay will be useful if he can come. Felix and Jonathan David I'm guessing are not going to happen.
4.) 29 Dec 2022 18:02:56
When you say ‘wish to do’ Ed, with the club up for sale, what options do you see them as having?
5.) 29 Dec 2022 13:20:00
Ed, is there anyone else you've heard recently that we may be looking at? Seems we don't have many options.
{Ed002's Note - I have said before there are a few options, but most clubs will not want disruption in the Winter.}
6.) 29 Dec 2022 20:07:07
Unruly I agree with you there on Morata. Not so much on depay.
I. Not all that fussed to get honest. I don't see a big fee being paid and unless it's a top choice then it would be daft Imo.
A loan deal for a good experienced cf could pay off. A guy like morata is used to coming off bench for big clubs and starting when required and has the knack of scoring goals.
Never prolific but weighs in with his quota regularly.
I'm sure we'll get a body but who that will be and will they make a difference is anybody 's guess.
If be happy to go with what we have and hope we get lucky with injuries.
Mad schedule ahead and if we stay in the cups we will be stretched no doubt and possibly knackered for the last 10 games when the prizes are being given out.
7.) 29 Dec 2022 20:14:24
Morata? Really? Oh dear we are in the poop.
8.) 29 Dec 2022 20:14:24
Morata? Really? Oh dear we are in the poop.
9.) 29 Dec 2022 20:56:51
I would rather Morata for a 6 mo than loan than splashing tens of millions on a makeweight permanently.
Either we get a guy that Ten Hag wants and believes is or will become the Striker he needs or we don't bother with a permanent signing, get the best loanee who will do a job in this system and look again in summer.
10.) 29 Dec 2022 21:43:07
Has to be a loan. As Ken suggests, we will run out of steam towards the end when the really crucial fixtures come up. Not to mention our only recognized striker used to be a winger, is injured half the time and isn't even good enough when he actually plays. We are absolutely desperate for a striker. We will not make top 4 without one coming in.
11.) 30 Dec 2022 07:56:39
Morata is an interesting one. Had all the technical and physical attributes to be a worldie, but he never quite seems to settle anywhere since he left Real. Seems to me that’s a mental limitation that has stopped him being an elite player. He’s not set the world alight in Madrid (at both clubs), Chelsea or Juventus.
Might be worth exploring for a loan only as a last resort, but I don't see why he’d leave his home town unless Atletico have some serious cash flow problems and need to free up some wages. Not a signing that I feel fits into what ETH is trying to do even in the short term.
06 Dec 2022 07:53:21
Ed002,
Do United still hold any interest in Gvardiol?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
1.) 06 Dec 2022 09:08:00
Makes sense. Licha plays the same position. Thanks for the info Ed002.
29 May 2022 16:04:17
Ed002
Has Ralf Rangnick left by choice or was he forced to leave by higher ups and/ or circumstances?
{Ed002's Note - It was never be a viable position moving forward and it would have made it even more difficult for the DoF.}
1.) 29 May 2022 17:32:34
Well i guess it is for the better. Thanks for the reply Ed002.
2.) 29 May 2022 17:32:34
Well i guess it is for the better. Thanks for the reply Ed002.
3.) 29 May 2022 17:32:34
Well i guess it is for the better. Thanks for the reply Ed002.
4.) 29 May 2022 19:47:58
Ten Hag's words wouldn't have given him much encouragement. Maybe the clean break is best.
5.) 29 May 2022 20:37:18
I'm sure they were talking throughout despite their suggestions they had never met, so this news a week into ten Hag's appointment is bizarre. Maybe Ralph's opinion that we needed 10 players put the frighteners up everyone if Erik is happy to go for a couple and consolidate with youth and returning players.
6.) 29 May 2022 23:31:15
You can say that again unruly.
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18 Nov 2024 08:25:32
When does Amorim get to start? I can't wait for the weekend.
1.) 18 Nov 2024 09:32:04
Today is his first official day I believe.
2.) 18 Nov 2024 12:41:05
I really hope he shakes things up, makes some bold selections, and stamps his mark. And if any player doesn't commit to his ways, he needs address it immediately. ETH tried with Ronaldo. and Sancho, but then let others get away with an apparent lack of effort, or poor form.
11 Nov 2024 06:34:33
How good has Mazroui been? Our best left back and right back and my signing of the summer. For that fee too is quite the steal. De Ligt too has gone about his job without much fuss which is wonderful to see. Hope to have back Maguire and Yoro back soon and a new left back in Jan for rotation.
1.) 11 Nov 2024 08:18:17
He has been very good imo.
No surprise to me.
Imo the 1st proper full back at the club since Evra left.
Just my opinion but we have not had a reliable consistent professional top class full back at the club for over 12 years.
We need 2 on each side as good as each other as the wong backs are subbed more often than anybody due to the physicality of the role under amorim. Its an area we are very weak imo.
2.) 11 Nov 2024 11:00:33
Ken, don't you think Darmien was a proper full back? Just curious.
3.) 11 Nov 2024 11:12:51
Dalot will probably play the wing back role pretty well I think. Full back is where he has problems. We need left sided wing backs/ left backs.
4.) 11 Nov 2024 12:44:15
we should be 2 point off top 4 by the time arsenal away game comes around.
Then the fixture list gets tougher after arsenal game. Forest at home, city away, Bournemouth, Wolves, NC home and Liverpool away. Funky league and any team can give someone a nose bleed on any given weekend if you don't play well. Away fixtures to the 3 best teams in the league and some tricky home games.
Need to win all our home games imo and get a result or two on the away fixtures and we should be in a good place for the year.
A full squad back will help a lot.
5.) 11 Nov 2024 12:44:35
A good player but struggled in the epl
He was too slow imo. Has done very well since like a lot of others.
6.) 11 Nov 2024 14:36:22
Dalot just not good enough for any role in the team. He makes too many mistakes and makes too many errant passes. Wing backs have to be able to defend as well and he has zero defensive awareness.
08 Jul 2024 17:57:34
Ed001, if you have the time, do you have any opinion on Joshua Zirkzee? He seems raw for a 23 yr old but with very good potential and the physicality to match EPL center backs. Interested to hear your thoughts.
{Ed001's Note - I have only seen little bits and pieces of him. Raw is an excellent description of him from that little sighting that I have had. He seemed to struggle in the second half of the season and not look quite the same player, but I could be influenced by match highlights that I saw of Serie A on that. He didn't score very many in the latter half of the season, which maybe affected my memory of his play, as I did see more highlights than full games. I did try and watch Bologna when they were shown, as Thiago Motta's style of play intrigued me, but they weren't shown a lot, so I mostly ended up just watching Serie A highlight programs. In the first half of the season he was prominently featured, but in the second half he wasn't scoring, so didn't get as much coverage. Whether that means he truly struggled or if he just wasn't getting as many chances is difficult to tell without watching the full games.
He does look to be suited to the Prem, in terms of physicality and pace. From the little I saw his movement was hit and miss, but that could be inexperience rather than lack of ability.}
1.) 08 Jul 2024 18:33:01
Ed001 if Ruud VN does come on board I suspect it’s hoped that his coaching will greatly help both Zirkzee and Hoiland move on from being ‘raw’?
{Ed001's Note - is he good at coaching strikers? Often defenders end up being better at coaching attacking play, as they look at what caused them problems. Top class finishers like RVN are often instinctual, which is something you can't really coach. It will be interesting to see if he was just instinctual. He always seemed a bit more cerebral.}
2.) 08 Jul 2024 18:57:13
There was an interview done a while back when he was manager of psv ed with Gary Neville RVN said he was a no10 until I think he moved to heerenveen and the coach there worked with him and moved him to number 9 showed him how to use the offside spaces etc. so hopefully, for us, he can pass it on to hojlund Rashford and zirkzee.
{Ed001's Note - thanks Dbrooks, I haven't seen that but it makes sense. If he can pass that on, it would make a particular difference to Hojlund. He really struggled with his movement.}
3.) 08 Jul 2024 19:41:45
Thanks for the insights Ed001, looking forward to the new season.
{Ed001's Note - it should be a very exciting season, with so much changed. Shame Guardiola hasn't followed through on his desire to quit City yet, as that would really have thrown the cat among the pigeons.}
4.) 08 Jul 2024 20:51:56
We all can't wait to see the back of him Ed ??.
{Ed001's Note - including him now!}
5.) 09 Jul 2024 05:35:08
I see Zirkzee as the new Fellaini, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
6.) 09 Jul 2024 05:59:39
grim
I hope not. Fellaini was not exactly the most mobile player lol.
7.) 09 Jul 2024 06:47:37
Thanks, as ever. Ed001.
{Ed001's Note - very welcome Fizz.}
8.) 09 Jul 2024 06:53:08
Zirkzee is nothing at all like Fellaini. Other than being tall and having big hair, his style of play is completely different. Zirkzee is a runner with quick feet and good strength. He isn’t someone to lump the ball up to for 90 minutes a la Mourinho.
9.) 09 Jul 2024 13:25:25
Zirkzee offers a rare opportunity to sign a player for a reason fee in a crazy market, especially for forward players.
I think saying he is a little raw probably sums him up. He is a very different kind a striker to Hojlund, he isn't a channel runner, he prefers to drop deep off the forward line to link play and create space and chances for others. He's the kind of striker who could help get Rashford back up to 25-30 goals a season, and/ or pump Garnacho's goal tally with an extra 10-12 goals. I could even see Hojlund starting some games on the right eith Zirkzee starting up top. That might be good to round out his game and give him game time with less pressure, while Zirkzee dropping deep to open up space for Hojlund to run into from the right cutting in on top his stronger left foot to shoot could be a really good way to both solve our RW issues, score more goals and develop a young Hojlund.
When he drops deep he tends to pull a defender with him, which makes space for wide attackers to run into and have more/ better shooting opportunities. While not at that level yet (and maybe never will be) he is reminiscent of Firmino at Liverpool, starting as a striker but is more like a No.10 and a creator/ facilitator for the likes of Salah and Mane, massively bumping up their goal numbers.
I'd be surprised if he got more than 12 league goals next season, but he will make the attack more dangerous.
Obviously as a 23 year old who is still a little raw he will have bad games and he will be frustrating at times as he learns and develops. If he can polish off his game and improve to reach his potential then we will have a very good player on our hands.
I'm fairly confident there isn't a better player, as proven as Zirkzee and with the same level of potential available for cheaper this summer. He's as close to a tap in as we could get.
08 May 2024 20:51:25
Does anyone know if any of the injured players will be available for the FA final?
1.) 08 May 2024 21:43:59
Martial is back ?.
2.) 08 May 2024 22:41:25
It's like the resurrection of Jesus if martial is fit, he's still got a couple of weeks to get injured again.
3.) 09 May 2024 00:30:04
Rumours of shaw, martinez, varane, martial. But there is still time for them to get injured ?.
4.) 09 May 2024 06:21:21
Plenty of ETH training sessions before the cup final for them to get injuries.
5.) 09 May 2024 09:00:10
Imagine the scenes if martial starts the cup final….
6.) 09 May 2024 09:19:33
Imagine the scenes if Martial bangs in the winner and keeps ETH in his job!
7.) 09 May 2024 10:16:51
Hopefully Martinez back, perhaps Shaw. Make a fist of it rather than just a horror show.
8.) 09 May 2024 10:20:09
Bangs in the winner, signs new 5 year contract, gets injured in said signing!
9.) 09 May 2024 10:23:57
Ports I hope it happens.
10.) 09 May 2024 10:42:02
We can all see it happening:
80 mins - Martial substitution for Hojlund
83 mins - Rashford brilliant link up play with Martial leads to Martial winner. we all wonder what could have been over the past few years
85 mins - Martial goes down under a soft challenge and goes off injured
I remember we were looking at front 3 of Rashford, Martial, Sancho and thinking we had it nailed for years. How wrong I was!
11.) 09 May 2024 11:44:12
If he is in the squad and scores the winner I'd be delighted nice way to send himself and eth down the road with a cup win.
However if we have enough fit players I wouldn't name him or varane in the squad if it was my squad.
I said the same about vidic who was one of my favourites after he announced a pre contract with inter.
If you are not committed to the club then you should not be considered for selection in my opinion. Many would not agree.
Eth may feel different as he won't be here himself so he doesn't have to worry about that.
11 Mar 2024 11:11:36
Any update on the injuries front? Hope we'll have AWB, Maguire and Licha back soon. And Mount so that Bruno can get some rest.
1.) 11 Mar 2024 15:16:53
AWB, Maguire and Hojlund - Confirmed to be back in training, should be fit for the Liverpool game.
Licha - Not likely back until April / May
Mount - Confirmed as after the international break.
2.) 11 Mar 2024 16:54:18
Postecoglou has a squad made up from signings made by Pochetino, Nuno, Mourinho and Conte. He’s got them playing some lovely stuff.
He might not have had the injuries we’ve had but we can’t keep blaming injury for piss poor performances. The 11 players on the pitch are not performing. They look like strangers the majority of matches. Ultimately, the manager will have to pay the price if performances don’t improve.
3.) 11 Mar 2024 17:21:10
This is a reply to the thread above.
4.) 11 Mar 2024 23:53:38
Eth is inflexible.
5.) 12 Mar 2024 19:37:37
Tom he got a gk left back centre back two midfielders a winger and probably a few more . Played good stuff when all available. Remind me what happened when they lost left back to suspension, midfielder and centre back to injury for a sustained period? That’s right they couldn’t buy a win! Interesting….
18 Dec 2024 21:43:55
They don't have the finances to register him.
Would Olmo though, perfect for the 10 and Barcelona seem unable to register him.
28 Oct 2024 15:09:00
First time I've ever seen someone put the goalkeeper in a formation.
13 Sep 2024 14:59:06
You are right IWOTB. Just saw an article about it.
12 Sep 2024 18:24:45
He's actually cousins with or a nephew to Nani I think.
11 Sep 2024 13:55:37
Depends on if he's willing to play the eriksen role, i.e cover/ the bench.
16 Jan 2025 17:24:35
We have done the same before. Rojo I think it was. I'm sure there are more. Cringy nonetheless. The worst was the Luis Suarez one by Liverpool after racially abusing Evra.
08 Jan 2025 15:03:02
System at PSG probably didn't suit Ugarte. He was very good at Sporting under Amorim so should be just as good at Utd.
08 Jan 2025 14:59:53
Osimhen just may fit the way we play. Was also impressed by Samu Omorodion though we probably aren't interested. Either will probably mean we let go of both Rashford and Zirkzee.
20 Dec 2024 13:11:02
A win this weekend could take us up to 6th, subject to results from other games. We certainly get into the top half with a win. The places under the top 4 are really open this year. A little bit of momentum could get us way up the table quite easily. And if City don't pull their finger out we could even steal top 4 but that is a pipe dream. For now.
I'm looking forward to Amorim settling on a preferred 11 and pressing on with them barring injuries.
19 Dec 2024 08:05:50
From what I have read, Amir is a lot like a young Wayne Rooney.