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06 Mar 2021 05:30:55
Rumours of Ole getting a new contract. Is there any truth to this?

Does the board believe in him and would allow more money to be spent on players? Are we falling into the same trap where we trust and sign players to improve the squad and in the end the manager fails and the new manager has a cleaning up job to do in order to get new players in?

Hope a few in the board see some sense and don't mess around anymore.

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1.) 06 Mar 2021 07:28:13
I think the board will at least wait until the end of the season and will almost certainly not be in a rush to hand him a new contract.

I'd imagine that since Utd have gone from 1st to send place with a 14 point gap between the two places might just have the board thinking he might not be good enough.

On paper, given our current form we could very easily lose all our games in March. Although I do expect us to turn things around. Leicester will benefit from not being in the EL. Ogs will play a strong team in the EL. His inability to rest key players his a worry, I do fear at the end of the season we may have a team that has run out of juice.


2.) 06 Mar 2021 07:39:03
You just need to ask "what constitutes success for the board and the owners they work for? "

While Ole might in the eyes of most fans be the worst manager we have had since Sir Alex, he looks set to be the only one to manage successive top four finishes.

Since pretty much all past United managers have been sacked when the club failed to achieve a top four finish, I think its clear what the club's ambition is.

The club are already putting out stories to dampen fans expectations in the summer transfer market. Historically they have always spent significantly less in the summers after UCL qualification has been secured. This year they get to do it but blame the C.V. for hitting finances (which it definitely has) .

We are a cash cow for our owners, their ambition is simple only invest enough to keep the money rolling in. That's why there is no investment in the stadium, as it doesn't increase revenue. They'll spend on players when they have to in order to get top four.

We are Arsenal now. Get used to it. No doubt at some point Ole will get the sack, maybe next season if he doesn't get top four, or the year after if he does. Basically he will be our manager until we fail in the eyes of the owners.

Then the next guy will come in and he'll be tasked with the same remit, get top four and keep your job. If you can win a cup or even a title then great. But they won't getting financial backing in the years they make top four, so sustained success seems unlikely.


3.) 06 Mar 2021 08:06:42
" worse manager by most fans "?
On thus site, don't mistake this site for an example if the majority of united fans.


4.) 06 Mar 2021 08:27:11
Jred, i bet its more than 70% worldwide. OGS should consider himself lucky there are no fans at OT. When the fans do come back and OGS is still in charge, there would be singing but the music will be drowned by the sound of snoring.


5.) 06 Mar 2021 09:33:17
Shappy i wouldn't say he looks set to get top 4 again if results go against us this weekend. we could be right in the dog fight of top 4 with 2nd to 7th only having 6 points difference and 3 of those teams have a game in hand on us also with 1/ 4 of a season left to play.


6.) 06 Mar 2021 11:17:36
Sadly, I think that the board views top four as a success; as evidenced by the huge disparity between our net spends when we do and don’t qualify for the Champions League. I’m sure the board would love for the team to win silverware, but they damn sure don’t want to spend the kind of money required for us to do so.

It strikes me very much as short term thinking, as while Manchester United may still be a big draw to potential sponsors right now, a few more trophyless seasons and continued boring performances will change all of that pretty quickly. The next generation of potential fans will have very little interest in supporting a side like ours and as they grow into their roles as consumers, the big sponsors will follow their lead.


7.) 06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.


8.) 06 Mar 2021 15:00:25
If the purse strings are to be tightened next year, then is it not even more imperative that we have a coach who is actually good at coaching and improving players?


9.) 06 Mar 2021 16:49:25
I second that notion Mumbles. Get rid of the "INEPT ONE". Get a proper coach.


10.) 06 Mar 2021 18:07:21
I strongly suspect manager severance packages are tied in to UCL qualification. Ergo if we finish top 4 it would likely cost more to sack the manager.

But like I said, it really doesn't matter what style we play to the owners. They don't watch the matches, they just want the money that UCL qualification brings in, along with the tied in sponsorship deals.

As long as the manager achieves that he will be here as our manager.

{Ed014's Note - long may it continue 😉


11.) 07 Mar 2021 12:33:59
I think the 'United are Arsenal now' comment is spot on. None of us like it but the reality for a long time has been winning silverware is not imperative from the owners perspective. We are having a strange season in that we are capable of scoring 9 but yet conceding 6. We all know we are a way short on quality at CB and arguably need to buy 2 class CBs whereas financially we will struggle to get one. I do think a settled defensive triumvirate (Henderson - Maguire - then Torres or Varane) would transform this side offensively also. And that for me is the key position we have to fill. Any thought of buying Sancho, Haaland or Grealish is just a pipe dream though. The view will be Amad on RW and Greenwood at CF will save us £150-200m which we just don't have to spend. The only way I see us buying anyone is if we can generate some cash from De Gea, Martial and Pogba leaving. Achieving Top 4 is our minimum requirement given the Champions League revenue it generates but providing Ole achieves that I don't think he is going anywhere.


12.) 08 Mar 2021 01:51:28
We might be Arsenal but Arsenal are more like Stoke, mid table obscurity.


13.) 08 Mar 2021 07:37:01
Agree with GDS2 here, Arsenal are a weaker squad with a manager no better than our own. Have a bit of respect for us 😂.


14.) 08 Mar 2021 07:52:06
Okay, I'll revise that, we are Arsenal of 10 years ago. A declining club that used to challenge for titles, but now it's main aim is the top four trophy 😂.


15.) 08 Mar 2021 08:02:15
God arsenal would probably be very lucky to achieve top four on current form. I think shappy was referring to the old arsenal, when they where a decent side.

{Ed077's Note - they would probably want a open top, bus parade if that happened😂😂


16.) 08 Mar 2021 09:12:39
77 😂 😂 😂

It does make me laugh though how Ole cops a lot of stick while Arteta quietly continues to underachieve and gets away with it.

{Ed077's Note - because sadly for them, their standards have fallen so far that its not that relevant anymore. Thats just the proof that accepting mediocrity for long period just ends up making you bang average.


17.) 08 Mar 2021 13:29:23
God. Please don't let that happen to us 🙏, just being content with top four is not enough🤔😡 hopefully the glaziers have enjoyed the success of TNEP and push for some for us.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:19:45
Ed's do we still have an interest in Benoît Badiashile (CB) or are we looking at a more experienced option in the summer?

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{Ed002's Note - The interest is in others.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 10:42:13
Ed said previously that our top targets are Pau Torres and Ben White.

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 10:30:16
Hi again Ed002.
Pau Torres the preferred target as I understand it from previous posts.
The Seville CB Kounde is being reported as also being a new target for OGS, anything in this from what you know?

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


3.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:47
Thanks Ed002.


4.) 17 Feb 2021 13:05:25
Here are some of the recent updates on CBs as provided by Ed002, to whom I would like to say a big THANK YOU.

{Ed002's Note - Pau Torres (CB) Manchester City have him as an option. Manchester United have him as first choice but only if sufficient sales are made. Barcelona has a sustained interest but price will likely be an issue and they may look to horse trade some players - but little will become clear before the election is completed. Bayern Munich have him as one of three primary targets to fill the two CB slots they need to address in the summer.


Ben White (CB) an alternative to Pau Torres for Manchester United, but seen as expensive because of the "English premium". Spurs have sustained interest but the funding will go on other priorities. Liverpool could look to white to boost their HG quota if they opt for aan expensive addition. Brighton will look to hang on to him.


Sergio Ramos (CB) PSG wanted a January agreement to take him as a Free Agent in the summer but the player is apparently reluctant to commit just yet. Real Madrid want to extend his contract but want to reduce the package he currently gets to help their quest to cut costs - if that gap can somehow be resolved it is the most likely solution. Interest from both the Far East and the Middle East is not attractive for the player. Milan offer a potential option because of tax advantages in Italy - but they will probably add Fikayo Tomori and it is likely the second CB they are looking for will be younger. Whilst the Premier League would provide an interesting challenge for the player, at just about 35 years old with significant wage demands it makes little sense for the clubs. I am not aware of any approach from Manchester United and would expect them to look at a younger long term solution.


Jules Kounde (CB) Sevilla rejected a significant offer from Manchester City last summer and Monchi has confirmed that Manchetser City remain keen still. He was recommended to Manchester United by an advisor but there has not been any approach just yet - and others seem more likely at this time. Real Madrid were the other side who were keen last summer and they are looking to add two CBs this summer with one agreed in principle, the other will be one of four on their shortlist which includes Jules Kounde. With one of those four likely not obtainable it would then come down to balancing the books with other sales and purchases.


Ibrahima Konate (CB) could emerge as an option for first choice for Liverpool in the summer - Liverpool have been talking with his agent but whether or not Konate has been discussed in detail is not known, but his agent offered a different player to Liverpool. RBL will want to hang on to him as they will lose Upamecano in the summer. Money would possibly be an issue for Liverpool and any further illegal approaches to RBL players would no doubt result in a complaint now. Expect interest from Spurs as well and possibly Manchester United but he is far from first choice for them. Chelsea have shown no interest in him to date.


Raphael Varane (CB) and that is about it for CBs. If he does not sign a renewal he will be sold in the summer - possibly leaving Real Madrid needing to add three CBs. Manchester United have other targets but could be tempted. Do not be surprised to see Spurs rejig their summer plans to buy him. Mr Mourinho will look to a way to sign Varane for Spurs in the summer. The player wants a new challenge and PSG will likely push for him in their quest for a leading French player. }.


5.) 17 Feb 2021 13:45:37
Really like the look of Jules Kounde out of this lot. But then again he is an 'emerging' talent, relatively inexperienced in a weak league, and in the notoriously physical PL, I wonder if a more established player is required.


6.) 17 Feb 2021 13:48:11
Thanks for that Deependra.


7.) 17 Feb 2021 14:14:52
Thanks Deependra!

Is there anything to on the DoF front? I’ve read about the guy from Monaco, has there been anything more said by the Eds?


8.) 17 Feb 2021 19:51:43
+1 deeps.


9.) 19 Feb 2021 14:25:23
Another one to add courtesy of ED002. Again a Big Thank you to him for his great insights.

{Ed002's Note - Nikola Milenkovic (CB) Inter Milan, Manchester United and Juventus have all expressed and interest in Milenkovic who Fiorentina will possibly be open to selling for €50M-€60M in the summer. His representatives are pushing him toward Manchester United who already have a lengthy list of targets and their prior interest could return - he was an alternative to Maguire. I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool at this time. }.


10.) 19 Feb 2021 14:52:26
From the list only Pau Torres/ Benoît Badiashile are left footed CBs and exactly what we need.

Watched a few youtube videos of these players and not much convinced about Jules Kounde, he looks like a attacking CB who is probably more suited to a fluid attacking team. Both Pau Torres and Nikola Milenkovic look better options for us. Nikola Milenkovic reminds me of Vidic the way he plays, gets stuck into his opponent and is more aggressive than Torres.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:01:43
Ed's do we have any interest in André Silva (ST) from Frankfurt? Looks a good fit for us.

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{Ed002's Note - Andre Silva (S) was recommended to several clubs, certainly including Everton and Manchester United, by a very high-end independent scout who used to play in the Premier League. This dates back to last summer before his loan became a permanent move.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:13
Thanks Ed002. Are we still interested though?

{Ed002's Note - I only know what I have written which probably means that MU have not approached his club - where he only signed a few months ago.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 13:41:08
Ok Thanks Ed002.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 08:22:17
Moises Caicedo - what do you guys think? Although playing in a weaker league does look the complete package and has all the attributes to be a complete midfielder in the years to come.

Now, the manager of his club has dismissed any communication from United recently just after some reports suggesting the club have increased his price. Are the EDs aware of any approach from us?

I feel we must just take a gamble and sign him up. It is difficult to find players having his qualities who is equally good defensively and offensively. I hope we don't mess around like we did with Haaland and then come to regret not signing him.

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{Ed002's Note - Moises Caicedo (CM/DM) My understanding is that he impressed when Manchester United were following up on looking at another player who they had first seen in the Real Sociedad reserves. There has been interest in Caicedo from a couple of other sides including PSV and Chelsea.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:47:51
Thanks Ed002. Do you think we will sign him this window?

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to predict timescales but there is interest in him.}


2.) 06 Jan 2021 12:53:25
Chelsea's interest seems to be in the news lately. Ed002 what do you make of the player?

{Ed002's Note - Someone well placed at Chelsea is very keen on doing something and options have been discussed with his club already.}


3.) 06 Jan 2021 13:09:06
Doesn't sound good for us. Chelsea don't mess around with transfers like we do.

Thanks Ed002.


4.) 06 Jan 2021 15:41:11
My boys coach watches a lot of South American football and has been raving about Caicedo. He thinks with the recent purchases of Pellistri and Diallo he seems exactly the sort of player profile that OGS is looking for.
Has potential as a long term replacement as either a HM or box to box for Pogba.
Seems to be a no brainer and worth a punt, could end up saving us a fortune in the long run if it works out.


5.) 06 Jan 2021 17:14:42
If he cost £10-£15 million then it isn't a bad price to pay for him. Certainly worth a punt.


6.) 06 Jan 2021 17:45:14
Something in the Athletic today about it bring a really complicated transfer with multiple “agents” claiming to represent him etc.

{Ed002's Note - Atlanta said they were duped by someone who wanted a cut.}


7.) 07 Jan 2021 07:53:31
Thanks Brad76 for the info.

I really like the look of this player. At times, the way he plays you could mistake him for Pogba. He has the passing range, energy, pace, physicality, shooting ability and looks calm and composed on the ball. He also seems to tackle well and defensively good much like Kante.

It looks a no brainer to me as well and he is going to improve even more and has the potential to be world class in the future.


8.) 07 Jan 2021 08:52:24
I think the last thing we all want is another Pogba!


9.) 07 Jan 2021 09:40:13
Well Eric79, did you notice the words "energy" and "tackle well and defensively good"? I don't think those words can be associated with Pogba.


10.) 07 Jan 2021 07:54:20
Interesting Ed002, thanks.


11.) 07 Jan 2021 15:49:18
Lpu. I've not seen any of him. Where did you get the footage to know so much? Can you post the link i'd love to see more.
Have you seen him play live?


12.) 08 Jan 2021 04:20:08
Ken - not seen him live. Just some clips on youtube.

You know sometimes when you see a player and you sense and know that this guy is going to go places - it's one of those. I felt the same about Haaland and unfortunately we couldn't get him.

Caicedo is not yet perfect but seems to have all the skills to be a complete midfielder in the near future.


13.) 08 Jan 2021 20:08:25
Not seen him at all mate. As a result i can't give an opinion.


14.) 09 Jan 2021 04:09:55
Fair enough Ken. Maybe Ed002 can share some info. on the player.

{Ed002's Note - There is growing interest in him and he is well thought of. I don't think it would do him any good at all moving to Manchester United and hopefully that is the advice he will get.}


15.) 09 Jan 2021 14:04:07
If i was a player trying to make my way in the game i would not go near any team ole was coaching. i'd stay well clear and take my chances elswhere.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 04:59:36
Sven Botman being linked to us, a tall 20yr old Dutch CB. I heard he was strongly linked with Liverpool which seem to be now dismissed as agent talk. Anything the EDs know? Is he an option for us?

From the clips on youtube, he is a left footed player who seems good on the ball with excellent distribution skills. Seems good in 1vs1 situations, physical, decent in the air and seems to have the pace. Although he tackles well, at times seems to lunge in.

He seems to be available for £27million as per reports. Looks good on youtube, anyone seen him play on a regular basis?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach by Manchester United.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:48:56
Thanks Ed002.


2.) 06 Jan 2021 16:42:10
I hear we're interested in his team mate Robin as well.

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️🤣


3.) 07 Jan 2021 10:16:35
bilko!, Botman and Robin under the wings of Ole - a dream team that.


 

 

 

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09 Jun 2021 15:27:57
Even before the season starts it will be a test of character for Ole with key decisions need to be made.

First with the GK situation with DeGea and Henderson, second the Pogba one which has been rumbling on for quite a while now and finally the signings he is going to make.

Will he be decisive enough and get it right or will he be forced into a compromising situation in case his decisions go wrong? It is going to be interesting.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 09 Jun 2021 16:55:05
It's quite simple, pogba should have been sold last before the start of last season. He doesn't want to be at the club. An unhappy player isn't worth having. The hasn't done a great deal in his 5 years at the club.


2.) 09 Jun 2021 15:38:42
It will go wrong. Ole doesn't make a lot of right decisions.
Ole gives me 0 confidence when he does anything.
You cannot lose a final and say we are getting close. This is not a champions league with you saying you are getting close, this is second tier europa league you have lost simply because you can't make a sub or want to go to penalties with a goalkeeper who never saves a pen. I think Lee Grant would have saved a pen if he came on.


3.) 09 Jun 2021 15:50:53
depends if the club get him his targets or he has to suffer with 3rd and 4th choice.


4.) 09 Jun 2021 17:54:09
I think we have a major problem with our squad on the horizon. Our manager has his favourites and that's it which has alienated a fair few players.

One of Fergies has to assets was how he could keep a squad happy. It's almost like Ole fell asleep when he should have been taking notes.

He's made our GK situation a bigger issue than it needs to be. If he rates Henderson than play him. This chopping and changing has never worked and again he should have been taking notes when Fergie did it with Howard and Carroll. It simply didn't work.

Our right back situation is also a joke. Dalot is the perfect back Up to have. He offers something different to AWB and should have been blooded in more. Instead he was shafted down the pecking order for Fosu Mensa of all people. Now we're in the market for a 30 year old to play back up.

The reason I said we have problems on the horizon is because there have to be a large number of players who see their futures away from Old Trafford. His inability to give some game time to these players on the fringe will come back to bite us.

Tuanzebe rarely getting a look even though he looks good when he's played. Axel along with Bailey and Williams will be gone in the next year.

Our midfield will see Matic, Pogba, VdB all leave in the next year two which leaves us with only Fred and McTominay.

The decision to let Pogba run his contract down whilst playing him is a daft one. Up forward we will see Cavani leave too in the next year.

Even with the additions needed this summer, I will assume we will see a mass exodus next season and even more gaps in the squad to fill.

Now some of those players should be moved on soon but Oles insistence on over using a core group of players and alienating others may see us in a pickle if we can't keep the squad happy.


5.) 09 Jun 2021 18:35:40
mumbles with any luck ole will be gone before the players.


6.) 09 Jun 2021 20:59:38
I'd say he'll be gone by Christmas Ken.


7.) 09 Jun 2021 21:23:36
However much I respect De Ces and would like to see him stay, his wife is a Spanish TV presenter and they have just had a child. Personally, I would want to see my child grow up. Whereas he can play his trade in Spain, she cannot in England. Henderson took over duties after De Gea returned for the birth of his child, no one knows what was communicated on his return. So I don't believe the decision or choice is entirely down to Ole.


8.) 10 Jun 2021 06:20:17
Mumbles agree with everything except for an exodus of players leaving and I agree with Ken that Ole will be out of here before such thing happens.

The main issue is how Ole doesn't utilize the options he has and overlooks everyone else except for his preferred bunch.
LB - Telles was brought in as backup and although a better crosser and can contribute much more to our attacking play isn't given enough opportunities.

CB - Like Mumbles pointed out Tuanzebe/ Bailly get overlooked even when they stayed fit and our defense was a shambles.
RB - Again we have Williams/ Dalot who can play there but we are searching for a backup. Especially Williams who did really well the season before when Shaw was injured and gets ignored.
CM - VDB is overlooked and not given enough opportunities and we have Fred/ McTom in the middle just to protect our backline.

There are also rumours of Pogba getting a new contract and it will only add to the imbalance in the squad. Then you have Martial who much like Pogba has everything to be a top player but mentally doesn't look up for it and is very inconsistent. What happens with him?

Is Ole capable of addressing these issues while keeping the players happy is a big question. On the evidence of how he manages his squad and player's game time, I have little confidence in Ole.

This coming season is judgement time for Ole I guess.


 

 

09 Jun 2021 03:41:26
Is the Sancho signing a tactic to appease the fans? Yes, he has the qualities to make the first team better but is he what we really need especially for the costs involved?

It does make a lot of sense from the board's perspective for:

1. Sancho is young and solves the RW position for years to come.
2. He is already regarded a superstar and his signing would probably be a great commercial opportunity.

The issue though is we already spent big on Amad/ Pellistri and they are only a couple of years younger and I don't see them getting much opportunities at all. What was the point in buying them?

Wouldn't it make more sense to sign someone like Raphinha? He has PL experience and at 24 yrs old is not going to block the path for the likes of Amad/ Pellistri by the time they are ready to step into the first team in say 3-4 years.

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1.) 09 Jun 2021 07:38:32
If Raphinha turned out to be a top player, then he would block those two as in 3-4 years time he would be 27/ 28. If he was 27/ 28 now, then it would make more sense to sign him.


2.) 09 Jun 2021 08:50:24
Raphinha would have been the correct signing two years ago when we signed daniel james.

I mean its not like we didn't know about him, he was playing with bruno who we scouted extensively.

Probably would have cost the same amount of money.

On Amad its a squad game and you need two players for every position with the amount of games being played.


3.) 09 Jun 2021 08:54:04
Mad Hatter,

27/ 28 would be the right time for us to look at replacements and by that time either Amad/ Pellistri if ready could slowly come into the first team and possibly replace him in say 2yrs time, which makes more sense.


4.) 09 Jun 2021 09:05:32
DSG, you are right that we need 2 players for every position that is if Ole uses them properly and if Ole actually plays them in the first place.


5.) 09 Jun 2021 10:19:23
Can we stop with this what will happen to youngsters if we sign a good player routine we always seem to go through, if they are good enough they'll replace the player signed, if they are not, then they aren't good enough are they.

I just a few days ago read a similar article about when kane burst on to the scene there were links to utd, many didn't want him then because what would happen to young james wilson who had so much potential. I wonder how that turned out.


6.) 09 Jun 2021 10:27:59
LPU, If Raphinha was signed and fulfilled his potential why would we look to replace him at the age of 27/ 28 when he would be entering his peak years?

Surely that is when you reap the benefits of all the hard work and mistakes that player has made in developing while playing for your side.


7.) 09 Jun 2021 13:03:33
Shappy, how long do you expect Raphinha to play? I didn't say replace him when he is 27/ 28 but I was talking about looking for replacements and in 2 yrs time when he is around 29/ 30 then ideally replace him with someone younger.

common_sense moyes, we can all stop worrying about the youngsters and yet it doesn't make sense why Amad/ Pellistri were signed if our main priority was Sancho.


 

 

27 May 2021 03:49:21
What a way to end the season.

"sometimes it’s more of an ego thing from managers and clubs (that) ‘we’ve finally won something’ - great to see that Ole isn't one of those egoistic guy.

Cheer up guys it's not all about trophies and here are some wise quotes from the man himself:

“But it’s not like a trophy will say that ‘we’re back’. No.

“It’s the gradual progression and the consistency of being in the top of the league, in and around there, and then add the odd trophies.

“Sometimes a cup competition can hide the fact you’re still struggling a little bit. ”

Let's see what he serves up next season although I would be glad he just resigned and left gracefully.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 27 May 2021 05:46:41
There is no grace left. He is a clown and should be treated that way. Why should he be treated any other way than woodward was.


2.) 27 May 2021 07:26:49
United Addict, the only thing which has saved Ole for far too long is his past association with the club and probably a lack of managerial options who are willing to take the job without serious consideration of improving the club's infrastructure.


3.) 27 May 2021 07:29:57
Couldn't agree more UA. Ole out before the glazers for me.


 

 

22 Apr 2021 06:34:02
Looks like the footballing world escaped a Tsunami in the form of ESL. I was really dumbfounded on how quickly it all started and ended tbh. Seems to have really kicked some sense into these big arrogant people driving the idea of a SL especially during a C.V.

A better idea would had been to bring these big teams together as part of a C.V. initiative who could then play against each other every once in a while and any proceeds goes into helping the victims of the C.V. That would probably have made the fans respect their clubs even more and which would have been a great gesture to the footballing community as a whole.

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{Ed001's Note - it didn't start quickly, this has been in the planning for years. The first attempt was that project bigmess they threw out a while back. This was just a second variation that they put out after the furore of the first version died down. They are doing it now so they can use the pandemic's financial effects as an excuse and claim to be trying to save the game. It is not going to go away while owners like FSG and the Glazers are involved, they will just wait for it all to die down and make slight changes to the wording and relaunch once more. They will keep doing it, again and again and again, until they wear down resistance.} Become a Patron!


1.) 22 Apr 2021 09:23:27
Ed001, so it's not the end of this which is even more concerning. Probably they need to realize that too much of anything is poison. Where do you see this going in the end?

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2.) 22 Apr 2021 09:55:08
ESL as the only competition would be a disaster. Undermining domestic competitions would be a curse to football as a whole I feel.

Ed001, do you think that if footballing fans come together globally and oppose this, will that have a big impact to make these people drop the idea completely?

{Ed001's Note - yes. The fans have all the power. Sponsors will not want to be involved if fans are against it. TV companies won't want to show something that fans are not going to watch. So where will the money come from to make it work?}


3.) 22 Apr 2021 10:15:29
Perez will keep pushing as he’s desperate given the state of Madrid’s finances. He seems to be in denial.

Ultimately if the English teams aren’t involved then right now it doesn’t happen. Look at the revenues by club and over the last 20 years you see the English teams rising and starting to dominate. If they seat out then I don’t see how it happens.


4.) 22 Apr 2021 10:15:24
I hope it doesn't get to the point that fans have to get involved on a larger scale and that somehow the people who came up with the idea see sense and respect the footballing traditions and emotions of others involved in the game.

Ed001, thanks for your valuable opinions. Appreciate that.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome, not sure how valuable they are though!}


5.) 22 Apr 2021 11:20:05
This is why the two Spanish clubs are so keen on the ESL. They are completely skint and are unable to stump up the cash for the players that they want to buy.
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24 Mar 2021 07:05:13
The VDB situation is a weird one. A very skillful, technical player who is under utilized in the first place and when given the chance has looked good in parts but overall looks lost.

I think he could be a confidence player and needs more trust and time on the pitch to get going. Unfortunately it seems Ole doesn't know how to use him and probably doesn't trust him much.

The ideal scenario would be to play VDB/ McTom in the midfield 2 more often where McTom who has more energy to cover the ground just sits deep while VDB can sort of play the Carrick role by keeping it simple, control possession and look to move the ball forward. He is also clever at dropping into open spaces and ghosting into the box and can be a great asset building up attacks.

It would just be a real shame if he does go when you look at our midfield with players like Fred/ McTom as first choice.

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1.) 24 Mar 2021 07:21:34
The ideal scenario in my mind would be to push Ole out.
And go on and invest in 2 CBs that do not need protection.
I think the forward side of the team is not that bad as it's made to be, but the defense needs more work.


2.) 24 Mar 2021 08:21:48
Lets Play - he doesn't look fully fit to play 90 mins most games as his movement drastically reduces after 60 mins on the pitch. I think he is being played in the wrong position as he is not a Bruno replacement, but an upgrade on Mctominay. Issue is McTominay runs around more than VdB and is more physical. We also lack a mobile CDM and a pair of good CBs which makes it difficult to play VdB in a box to box role. Get some one like Saul and a good CB into the club adn we can then see VdB flourish.


3.) 24 Mar 2021 08:29:10
The longer Donny is here the more it reminds me of the Veron situation. A clearly supremely talented player whose just not suited to how we play or the EPL.

Donny plays his best in a free 8 or No.10 role in a high pressing possession based style. He is excellent at short intricate passes and keeping possession. Tactically working as a team to move the opposition out of position to create space before playing the killer ball. He isn't s particularly physically strong player (although he isn't weak), he isn't quick or has a high level of stamina.

He could adapt as he has the talent, but will he remains to be seen.


4.) 24 Mar 2021 08:42:07
We are wasting his talent without giving a consistent run in the team.


5.) 24 Mar 2021 09:27:25
I don't think dvb has played yet for Utd as one of the midfield two.

Ridiculous when his skills are exactly what utd lack in midfield.

It's not Solksjaers fault though is it Shappy for not even trying him in his normal position? More the player's fault of course for not being suited to the Premier league (whatever that means? )

{Ed077's Note - Southampton away. He had a little knock on his ankle from that game but played the whole 90 I think. Wasnt too bad in that game. Matic and DvdB as a midfield pivot with Bruno in 10 if I remember correctly.


6.) 24 Mar 2021 09:43:59
You would have more success trying to convince me Donald Trump is an all round good guy than you would ole is a good manager.
Manc your wasting your time mate.


7.) 24 Mar 2021 10:25:34
Shappy

You say Donny is best suited to a “high pressing possession based style” but that is also “not suited to how we play”. Did our manager not said that high pressing possession is the style he wanted to play?

That makes it sound like the manager said a style to the board, Donny fitted the style, so the club bought him for the style outlined. However, we now find out the manager isn’t able to set up or can’t coach the style outlined so Donny is stuffed.


8.) 24 Mar 2021 10:30:00
Ed077, Fred and McTominay started in the 9-0 win against Southampton. If you remember Southampton went down to 10 men in the second minute, we were 4-0 up by half time which is when Donny came on at the start of the second half. We scored a couple of goals before Southampton were reduced to 9 men on 86 minutes. We then scored three goals in the final 15 minutes against 9 men who had played the majority of the game with 10 men and were clearly exhausted.

As for Donny, in that game for the 45 minutes he was on the pitch he touched the ball 17 times, attempting 16 passes with a 94% success rate. He made no key passes, he had no shots, he made no tackles, he made no interceptions, he made no blocks.

In a game that we dominated due to playing 10 men for the majority of the game and Donny had little to no impact either defensively or offensively.

I agree 7 starts is not enough to say whether he is a success or a failure. But in the 803 minutes he has played for us he 1 goal and no assists, he is averaging 2 defensive actions a game (around the same as Martial) .

So far he hasn't shown anything in any game to suggest he will kick on. The style of play we play is almost the exact opposite to what he played with Ajax. While the difference to quality of the league between the EPL and the Eredivisie is massive. Someone said he looks knackered after 60 minutes, does he have the stamina to cover the ground that is required in the EPL or with the style of play we use.

He clearly isn't creating or scoring enough goals or even having the chances to be a genuine option to Bruno with our current style of play. While he seems to lack the stamina and defensive qualities to play in the double pivot, while his passing over short distances is great, over longer distances it hasn't really been seen how good he is. Simply he has not played in a team that regularly play 40-50 yard passes from the midfield. So I'm struggling to see where he fits in. Maybe as an option on the RW against teams that will sit deep and make it hard for us to break them down. His skillset could work well in that situation.

I really want Donny to be a success, I said many times in the summer that I wanted him more than Grealish. If he flops its egg on my face. But so far he hasn't out performed or even shown the ability to out perform either Bruno at No.10, or even Fred and McTominay in the pivot.

I really hope this year is just a steep learning curve, that he increases his stamina and adapts to the EPL and our style of play. I'd love nothing more for him to have an "I told you so" season next year. But as yet I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that will happen.

{Ed077's Note - Read Shappy. READ.
Southampton away. The Cavani game. The 3-2 comeback win.

I don't think it's time for people to judge Donny either way. No matter what we think of him, he has played enough consistently to pass a final judgement. Just because he was good for Ajax doesn't mean he will be able to play to a similar level in England as well. But it also doesn't mean he can't play well if given a proper run.


9.) 24 Mar 2021 10:40:16
As it stands, I can't see Van De Beek getting much game time. He's obviously seen by the manager as a number 10 primarily and ultimately our best player plays there. If VDB is to play as one of the pivots, we need a quality defensive midfielder which we don't have.

Fred and Matic are woefully below the standard needed and McTominay is a good all round midfielder but doesn't excel in many areas at the moment.

Best case scenario for me is manager realises Van De Beek is more than capable of playing deeper, he replaces Pogba (who leaves) and we sign a quality defensive midfielder like Rice, Ndidi, Zakaria etc. They replace Fred as the primary defensive midfielder, allow Van De Beek to play as a number 8 who can get forward but also keep the ball and Bruno continues as the 10.


10.) 24 Mar 2021 11:48:33
Red Man, he did, and what we are seeing is certainly not that.

I'm also not sure how Bruno fits into a possession based team. His natural instinct is to play the high risk high reward passes. Every game he receives the ball on the edge of the opponent's box and there will be a safe pass out wide or further back, but Bruno will play the tricky trough ball, or a pass into space behind the defence for someone to run on to.

It's exciting and it's working. But it certainly isn't possession based.

Whereas Donny will play percentage football. He plays the sensible passes, the ones most likely to be received and not intercepted. If there isn't at least a 70% chance of the ball getting to it's intended target then he won't play the pass.

I'm not sure what went on between Ole and the board last summer. From what was said publicly it appears Grealish was the player the manager wanted along with Sancho. Seeing how this season has panned out I think it's fair to say we would almost definitely be in a title race right now if we got those two players.

As it is we got Donny and Cavani. Both good players no doubt. But one looks a poor fit for how we play while the other struggles to stay fit long enough to make a real impact. I think it's fair to say that this season Donny and Cavani have contributed very little and haven't enhanced the squad from last season in any sort of significant way.

Like I said originally, Donny's transfer has shades of the Veron transfer in that he is clearly a super talented player, but currently at least he either hasn't got to grips with the EPL or United's currently playing style. Which is pretty much what happened with Veron.

Do we blame the player? The manager? The scouting department?

In fairness all of them take a proportion of the blame.


11.) 24 Mar 2021 12:53:47
rohanarora8, unfortunately we might have to put up with Ole for quite some time to come I guess.

Adding quality in DM and CB should help free up one of the midfield positions which VDB could then benefit from but even in our current setup why not play VDB in place of Fred/ McTom? Just give him a run of games to build up his confidence and see what he could do.

The truth is we will never know how good he can be for us unless he plays consistently and has trust of the manager which doesn't seem to be the case right now.


12.) 24 Mar 2021 12:53:58
DVB needs a run of games. Veron got a run of games. Until then it is u fair to judge him.


13.) 24 Mar 2021 13:52:14
He'll be leaving on loan to a Spanish team no doubt for two seasons with us paying his wages in full.
There's clearly no spot for him at present. It's almost like he was picked up as a contingency plan to replace anyone who left at the end of this season, Pogba most likely. Matic and Mata (different type of player) could leave for their swan songs this season if not next, and whilst he had been improving considerably, Fred's last performance was a shocker. McT is a fantastic all-rounder. The Rice rumours won't go away even if Camavinga would be better value. But I can't see a major rebuild of the midfield any time soon, it will be another summer dominated by the usual Pogba story.


14.) 24 Mar 2021 13:54:30
Let's play, how many games are you prepared to see us potentially lose by giving Donny a run of games in the double pivot?

If he plays two games a there and we lose both would you suggest he gets a third, fourth and fifth game there so he can build up his form?

Or would you say he had a two bad games and it cost us 6 points, and we can't risk the next 9 points to give him a run.

All players need to earn the right to have a run in the team, they do that by putting in performances in training and as a sub or in occasional games that suggest they have what it takes to nail down the position if given a run of games.

Has Donny done enough to earn a run of games in the minutes he has played?


15.) 24 Mar 2021 15:39:55
Shappy, arguably he hasn't done enough to earn a run but he's also barely been played in the double pivot in a game of note. You also have to factor in how well his competition in that position has played.

Pogba - Unavailable for a large part of the season and by far his best performances have been when played higher up the pitch. For the last 5 years we've been discussing how to get the best out of him, great a few times a season is what we should expect.

McTominay - All round player and in my opinion the best option we have in the double pivot. He will rarely if ever influence a game the way Pogba can but will never play as badly as Pogba often does.

Fred - Liability when we have the ball as he can't control it consistently, can't pass accurately on a consistent basis and can't shoot at all. Only plays well in "big games against big teams" which is to say when we are happy to have 30% of possession against sides better than us and he can just run around harrying the opposition. Fred is the worst footballer of the midfielders but he can run all day so gets picked. That says a lot about how the manager sets the side up, trusts athleticism over actual footballing ability.

Matic - Looks like his best days are well behind him, already slow and getting slower. Still tidy enough with the ball but his lack of athleticism in front of an already slow centre back pairing hurts us.

Subsequently, you have to ask has Van De Beek been considerably worse than the players above? People also seem to believe we'd be much more open defensively if Van De Beek played ahead of Fred for example. While he's not as defensively minded, maybe we would have more ability to keep the ball and in turn would not be defending as often?

{Ed077's Note - Its a Catch-22 situation with Donny now. You have to play consistently to impress and earn a place but you have to earn a place to play consistently.}


16.) 24 Mar 2021 16:33:41
Shappy, all if's and but's again. You are willing to already put him down without giving a proper chance?

The thing is he is not some academy graduate trying to impress and get minutes in the first team. He has already shown what he can do in Ajax's first team and is highly regarded by many.

It is most logical when you have a skillful player like VDB coming into the team to be given more opportunities to see what he is capable of. I see the big reason he doesn't play much is because Ole is too scared to make a change as both Fred/ McTom give him more protection.

"All players need to earn the right to have a run in the team" so what do you think of Maguire, Lindelof, Martial given opportunities all the time irrespective of their bad performances?


17.) 24 Mar 2021 16:53:18
Relax he will be arguing the opposite in a couple of weeks.


18.) 24 Mar 2021 17:09:39
I'm beginning to suspect that Shappy might actually be playing a part to be on the wind up but I will continue anyway.

Thing is Utd paid £40 million for dvb. Surely that alone warrants him some games in his best position to show what he can do and build his confidence.

Another alternative to putting him in a double pivot is Utd play 433 with DVB alongside Bruno and McT or a new DM behind them.

I think a massive problem is that the team aren't coached to get the best of dvb. Even when he is in space in good positions or makes a good run, he doesn't receive the pass.

So it's not just the manager who doesn't know what to do with him it's his team mates as well which is down to the manager anyway.

Unless the other players don't pass to him because they think he is crap.


19.) 24 Mar 2021 18:51:46
Let's play, should the team be picked on reputation or on performance?

How much stock goes into the reputation built up in a much weaker league.

The Eredivisie is probably weaker than the Championship in all fairness. Would you take a player from the Championship who has played very well and say they must be a starter for United?

I don't think he should be thrown on the scrap heap, but neither can you give him a run of games in important games that his performances aren't deserving of.

Now I said earlier in the season that I'd play squad players and kids in all the cups and just see where that goes so we could focus on the league. Personally I feel if we had done that we might be much closer to City in this odd season.

If we did that then he would have had a start in all the cup games to have a chance to prove himself/ adapt.

We should remember that Fred was a 50m signing from a weaker European league and it took him over a season to settle. He needed to adapt to the pace and power of the league. Maybe Donny needs to do that. Either way on what he has shown this season he wouldn't make a positive difference to the side if he was starting.


20.) 24 Mar 2021 18:53:17
MancMan picking players based on their transfer fee is a dangerous tactic.

Surely if when given a chance you need to take it. Donny got one against Leicester, do you think based on that performance he deserves to start the next game?


21.) 24 Mar 2021 19:26:47
Based on Leicester's game nobody deserves to start the next game. It was nothing but rubbish.
If Vardy took his chances, the score line would have been even more humiliating.


22.) 24 Mar 2021 23:27:25
Shappy, I want to see him get some games in his proper position with the team coached and set up harmoniously.

I'm not saying uts should build a team around him but it's no good if dvb is trying to play football one way and others in the team are trying to do something different.


23.) 25 Mar 2021 10:33:30
MancMan, What is Donny's "proper position", lots of talk about him playing in the pivot, yet during his time at Ajax he probably played in a double pivot maybe a dozen times. He has always played his best football closer to the oppositions goal, either as a No.10 or as a free 8 in either a 4123 or a 4231.

He was great as a No.10, very good as a free 8 and decent if played in the double pivot, clearly getting less impactful the further he was from goal.

When Dennis Bergkamp spotted him in the Ajax academy he saw shades of himself in Donny, or at least that is what he supposedly said to De Boer at the time.

This idea that Donny would be best suited to playing in the double pivot just isn't true. That has never been his best position, even playing in a much slower paced Eredivisie against much weaker teams than most EPL sides he was fairly average in that deeper role.


 

 

 

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10 Jun 2021 06:58:40
rohanarora8, and probably Ole doesn't rate him either.

Maybe it's a lot more fun throwing money around at other clubs and agents to sign their players and then struggle to sell the same players in a few years time.

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Thanks Ed002 but do you rate VDB?

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Love_United, I reckon Ed002 would love to be in Ole's position rather than be Ole.

Ed002, has anything changed with respect to VDB as there are rumours of him wanting out.

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{Ed002's Note - It is as I have explained previously as far as I know. Donny van de Beek (CM) has been offered to Real Madrid and Juventus, and will be offered to Barcelona due to a lack of a plan or direction at MU. But both Spanish clubs have moved on and unless Manchester United would accept a long-term payment plan or loan to buy there would not be the spare money to buy him. If Pogba leaves there will be space in the team - but MU seem intent on holding him hostage. Juventus has a preferred CM target but might be open to a loan to buy deal. Inter may provide an option if he is to leave.}


 

 

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16 Mar 2021 05:49:41
Well Eric79, would Ole really trust the likes of VDB/ Matic/ Hannibal/ Garner? It is pretty evident from his over reliance on Fred/ McTom/ Bruno that Ole probably doesn't trust the others much apart from maybe Pogba.

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Eric79 you can't talk sense. The board is unlikely to make any drastic changes anytime soon.

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AJH, why because other's don't agree with their view point?

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OleGunnar, welcome to the site.

On what accounts has Ole exceeded expectations? Are you willing to wait another 5 yrs for him to grown into the role?

This past season was a great chance at winning something and even push City close for the title till the very end when we had an opportunity but there was no ambition to do so. If Ole had managed to do so I think most people would have been a little convinced that at least he can inspire/ motivate the team when it matters.

There are a lot more other issues with Ole in charge that has been discussed so many times and I don't want to repeat them.

The squad does have its problems but it's plain clear for anyone to see that Ole lacks in a lot of departments to get us to the top. So, stop always blaming the squad for Ole's shortcomings.

Anyhow I hope the "utter crap" I wrote is worthy of your attention.

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We still have a bunch of talented and skillful ones left at the club and not sure where they end up.

Regarding players like Jones, are they on some kind of rolling contracts based on appearances or something?

Thanks Ed077.

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Ed077, I do expect a lot of the young ones from the academy leaving. We seem to be currently focusing on strengthening the first team to challenge for some honours and I do not see how the young ones can afford any game time to impress.

As far as Jones is concerned, he is non existent but with a contract running till 2023. Do you remember any player who has been at a club playing so little and yet sticking around for a decade?

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Ed014, respect your opinion. He might not be a fearful striker but as GDS2 says some of his finishing is top class and you need players like him who you can rely on to score a goal when you need one.

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