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06 Mar 2021 05:30:55
Rumours of Ole getting a new contract. Is there any truth to this?

Does the board believe in him and would allow more money to be spent on players? Are we falling into the same trap where we trust and sign players to improve the squad and in the end the manager fails and the new manager has a cleaning up job to do in order to get new players in?

Hope a few in the board see some sense and don't mess around anymore.

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1.) 06 Mar 2021 07:28:13
I think the board will at least wait until the end of the season and will almost certainly not be in a rush to hand him a new contract.

I'd imagine that since Utd have gone from 1st to send place with a 14 point gap between the two places might just have the board thinking he might not be good enough.

On paper, given our current form we could very easily lose all our games in March. Although I do expect us to turn things around. Leicester will benefit from not being in the EL. Ogs will play a strong team in the EL. His inability to rest key players his a worry, I do fear at the end of the season we may have a team that has run out of juice.


2.) 06 Mar 2021 07:39:03
You just need to ask "what constitutes success for the board and the owners they work for? "

While Ole might in the eyes of most fans be the worst manager we have had since Sir Alex, he looks set to be the only one to manage successive top four finishes.

Since pretty much all past United managers have been sacked when the club failed to achieve a top four finish, I think its clear what the club's ambition is.

The club are already putting out stories to dampen fans expectations in the summer transfer market. Historically they have always spent significantly less in the summers after UCL qualification has been secured. This year they get to do it but blame the C.V. for hitting finances (which it definitely has) .

We are a cash cow for our owners, their ambition is simple only invest enough to keep the money rolling in. That's why there is no investment in the stadium, as it doesn't increase revenue. They'll spend on players when they have to in order to get top four.

We are Arsenal now. Get used to it. No doubt at some point Ole will get the sack, maybe next season if he doesn't get top four, or the year after if he does. Basically he will be our manager until we fail in the eyes of the owners.

Then the next guy will come in and he'll be tasked with the same remit, get top four and keep your job. If you can win a cup or even a title then great. But they won't getting financial backing in the years they make top four, so sustained success seems unlikely.


3.) 06 Mar 2021 08:06:42
" worse manager by most fans "?
On thus site, don't mistake this site for an example if the majority of united fans.


4.) 06 Mar 2021 08:27:11
Jred, i bet its more than 70% worldwide. OGS should consider himself lucky there are no fans at OT. When the fans do come back and OGS is still in charge, there would be singing but the music will be drowned by the sound of snoring.


5.) 06 Mar 2021 09:33:17
Shappy i wouldn't say he looks set to get top 4 again if results go against us this weekend. we could be right in the dog fight of top 4 with 2nd to 7th only having 6 points difference and 3 of those teams have a game in hand on us also with 1/ 4 of a season left to play.


6.) 06 Mar 2021 11:17:36
Sadly, I think that the board views top four as a success; as evidenced by the huge disparity between our net spends when we do and don’t qualify for the Champions League. I’m sure the board would love for the team to win silverware, but they damn sure don’t want to spend the kind of money required for us to do so.

It strikes me very much as short term thinking, as while Manchester United may still be a big draw to potential sponsors right now, a few more trophyless seasons and continued boring performances will change all of that pretty quickly. The next generation of potential fans will have very little interest in supporting a side like ours and as they grow into their roles as consumers, the big sponsors will follow their lead.


7.) 06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.


8.) 06 Mar 2021 15:00:25
If the purse strings are to be tightened next year, then is it not even more imperative that we have a coach who is actually good at coaching and improving players?


9.) 06 Mar 2021 16:49:25
I second that notion Mumbles. Get rid of the "INEPT ONE". Get a proper coach.


10.) 06 Mar 2021 18:07:21
I strongly suspect manager severance packages are tied in to UCL qualification. Ergo if we finish top 4 it would likely cost more to sack the manager.

But like I said, it really doesn't matter what style we play to the owners. They don't watch the matches, they just want the money that UCL qualification brings in, along with the tied in sponsorship deals.

As long as the manager achieves that he will be here as our manager.

{Ed014's Note - long may it continue 😉


11.) 07 Mar 2021 12:33:59
I think the 'United are Arsenal now' comment is spot on. None of us like it but the reality for a long time has been winning silverware is not imperative from the owners perspective. We are having a strange season in that we are capable of scoring 9 but yet conceding 6. We all know we are a way short on quality at CB and arguably need to buy 2 class CBs whereas financially we will struggle to get one. I do think a settled defensive triumvirate (Henderson - Maguire - then Torres or Varane) would transform this side offensively also. And that for me is the key position we have to fill. Any thought of buying Sancho, Haaland or Grealish is just a pipe dream though. The view will be Amad on RW and Greenwood at CF will save us £150-200m which we just don't have to spend. The only way I see us buying anyone is if we can generate some cash from De Gea, Martial and Pogba leaving. Achieving Top 4 is our minimum requirement given the Champions League revenue it generates but providing Ole achieves that I don't think he is going anywhere.


12.) 08 Mar 2021 01:51:28
We might be Arsenal but Arsenal are more like Stoke, mid table obscurity.


13.) 08 Mar 2021 07:37:01
Agree with GDS2 here, Arsenal are a weaker squad with a manager no better than our own. Have a bit of respect for us 😂.


14.) 08 Mar 2021 07:52:06
Okay, I'll revise that, we are Arsenal of 10 years ago. A declining club that used to challenge for titles, but now it's main aim is the top four trophy 😂.


15.) 08 Mar 2021 08:02:15
God arsenal would probably be very lucky to achieve top four on current form. I think shappy was referring to the old arsenal, when they where a decent side.

{Ed077's Note - they would probably want a open top, bus parade if that happened😂😂


16.) 08 Mar 2021 09:12:39
77 😂 😂 😂

It does make me laugh though how Ole cops a lot of stick while Arteta quietly continues to underachieve and gets away with it.

{Ed077's Note - because sadly for them, their standards have fallen so far that its not that relevant anymore. Thats just the proof that accepting mediocrity for long period just ends up making you bang average.


17.) 08 Mar 2021 13:29:23
God. Please don't let that happen to us 🙏, just being content with top four is not enough🤔😡 hopefully the glaziers have enjoyed the success of TNEP and push for some for us.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:19:45
Ed's do we still have an interest in Benoît Badiashile (CB) or are we looking at a more experienced option in the summer?

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{Ed002's Note - The interest is in others.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 10:42:13
Ed said previously that our top targets are Pau Torres and Ben White.

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 10:30:16
Hi again Ed002.
Pau Torres the preferred target as I understand it from previous posts.
The Seville CB Kounde is being reported as also being a new target for OGS, anything in this from what you know?

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


3.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:47
Thanks Ed002.


4.) 17 Feb 2021 13:05:25
Here are some of the recent updates on CBs as provided by Ed002, to whom I would like to say a big THANK YOU.

{Ed002's Note - Pau Torres (CB) Manchester City have him as an option. Manchester United have him as first choice but only if sufficient sales are made. Barcelona has a sustained interest but price will likely be an issue and they may look to horse trade some players - but little will become clear before the election is completed. Bayern Munich have him as one of three primary targets to fill the two CB slots they need to address in the summer.


Ben White (CB) an alternative to Pau Torres for Manchester United, but seen as expensive because of the "English premium". Spurs have sustained interest but the funding will go on other priorities. Liverpool could look to white to boost their HG quota if they opt for aan expensive addition. Brighton will look to hang on to him.


Sergio Ramos (CB) PSG wanted a January agreement to take him as a Free Agent in the summer but the player is apparently reluctant to commit just yet. Real Madrid want to extend his contract but want to reduce the package he currently gets to help their quest to cut costs - if that gap can somehow be resolved it is the most likely solution. Interest from both the Far East and the Middle East is not attractive for the player. Milan offer a potential option because of tax advantages in Italy - but they will probably add Fikayo Tomori and it is likely the second CB they are looking for will be younger. Whilst the Premier League would provide an interesting challenge for the player, at just about 35 years old with significant wage demands it makes little sense for the clubs. I am not aware of any approach from Manchester United and would expect them to look at a younger long term solution.


Jules Kounde (CB) Sevilla rejected a significant offer from Manchester City last summer and Monchi has confirmed that Manchetser City remain keen still. He was recommended to Manchester United by an advisor but there has not been any approach just yet - and others seem more likely at this time. Real Madrid were the other side who were keen last summer and they are looking to add two CBs this summer with one agreed in principle, the other will be one of four on their shortlist which includes Jules Kounde. With one of those four likely not obtainable it would then come down to balancing the books with other sales and purchases.


Ibrahima Konate (CB) could emerge as an option for first choice for Liverpool in the summer - Liverpool have been talking with his agent but whether or not Konate has been discussed in detail is not known, but his agent offered a different player to Liverpool. RBL will want to hang on to him as they will lose Upamecano in the summer. Money would possibly be an issue for Liverpool and any further illegal approaches to RBL players would no doubt result in a complaint now. Expect interest from Spurs as well and possibly Manchester United but he is far from first choice for them. Chelsea have shown no interest in him to date.


Raphael Varane (CB) and that is about it for CBs. If he does not sign a renewal he will be sold in the summer - possibly leaving Real Madrid needing to add three CBs. Manchester United have other targets but could be tempted. Do not be surprised to see Spurs rejig their summer plans to buy him. Mr Mourinho will look to a way to sign Varane for Spurs in the summer. The player wants a new challenge and PSG will likely push for him in their quest for a leading French player. }.


5.) 17 Feb 2021 13:45:37
Really like the look of Jules Kounde out of this lot. But then again he is an 'emerging' talent, relatively inexperienced in a weak league, and in the notoriously physical PL, I wonder if a more established player is required.


6.) 17 Feb 2021 13:48:11
Thanks for that Deependra.


7.) 17 Feb 2021 14:14:52
Thanks Deependra!

Is there anything to on the DoF front? I’ve read about the guy from Monaco, has there been anything more said by the Eds?


8.) 17 Feb 2021 19:51:43
+1 deeps.


9.) 19 Feb 2021 14:25:23
Another one to add courtesy of ED002. Again a Big Thank you to him for his great insights.

{Ed002's Note - Nikola Milenkovic (CB) Inter Milan, Manchester United and Juventus have all expressed and interest in Milenkovic who Fiorentina will possibly be open to selling for €50M-€60M in the summer. His representatives are pushing him toward Manchester United who already have a lengthy list of targets and their prior interest could return - he was an alternative to Maguire. I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool at this time. }.


10.) 19 Feb 2021 14:52:26
From the list only Pau Torres/ Benoît Badiashile are left footed CBs and exactly what we need.

Watched a few youtube videos of these players and not much convinced about Jules Kounde, he looks like a attacking CB who is probably more suited to a fluid attacking team. Both Pau Torres and Nikola Milenkovic look better options for us. Nikola Milenkovic reminds me of Vidic the way he plays, gets stuck into his opponent and is more aggressive than Torres.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:01:43
Ed's do we have any interest in André Silva (ST) from Frankfurt? Looks a good fit for us.

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{Ed002's Note - Andre Silva (S) was recommended to several clubs, certainly including Everton and Manchester United, by a very high-end independent scout who used to play in the Premier League. This dates back to last summer before his loan became a permanent move.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:13
Thanks Ed002. Are we still interested though?

{Ed002's Note - I only know what I have written which probably means that MU have not approached his club - where he only signed a few months ago.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 13:41:08
Ok Thanks Ed002.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 08:22:17
Moises Caicedo - what do you guys think? Although playing in a weaker league does look the complete package and has all the attributes to be a complete midfielder in the years to come.

Now, the manager of his club has dismissed any communication from United recently just after some reports suggesting the club have increased his price. Are the EDs aware of any approach from us?

I feel we must just take a gamble and sign him up. It is difficult to find players having his qualities who is equally good defensively and offensively. I hope we don't mess around like we did with Haaland and then come to regret not signing him.

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{Ed002's Note - Moises Caicedo (CM/DM) My understanding is that he impressed when Manchester United were following up on looking at another player who they had first seen in the Real Sociedad reserves. There has been interest in Caicedo from a couple of other sides including PSV and Chelsea.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:47:51
Thanks Ed002. Do you think we will sign him this window?

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to predict timescales but there is interest in him.}


2.) 06 Jan 2021 12:53:25
Chelsea's interest seems to be in the news lately. Ed002 what do you make of the player?

{Ed002's Note - Someone well placed at Chelsea is very keen on doing something and options have been discussed with his club already.}


3.) 06 Jan 2021 13:09:06
Doesn't sound good for us. Chelsea don't mess around with transfers like we do.

Thanks Ed002.


4.) 06 Jan 2021 15:41:11
My boys coach watches a lot of South American football and has been raving about Caicedo. He thinks with the recent purchases of Pellistri and Diallo he seems exactly the sort of player profile that OGS is looking for.
Has potential as a long term replacement as either a HM or box to box for Pogba.
Seems to be a no brainer and worth a punt, could end up saving us a fortune in the long run if it works out.


5.) 06 Jan 2021 17:14:42
If he cost £10-£15 million then it isn't a bad price to pay for him. Certainly worth a punt.


6.) 06 Jan 2021 17:45:14
Something in the Athletic today about it bring a really complicated transfer with multiple “agents” claiming to represent him etc.

{Ed002's Note - Atlanta said they were duped by someone who wanted a cut.}


7.) 07 Jan 2021 07:53:31
Thanks Brad76 for the info.

I really like the look of this player. At times, the way he plays you could mistake him for Pogba. He has the passing range, energy, pace, physicality, shooting ability and looks calm and composed on the ball. He also seems to tackle well and defensively good much like Kante.

It looks a no brainer to me as well and he is going to improve even more and has the potential to be world class in the future.


8.) 07 Jan 2021 08:52:24
I think the last thing we all want is another Pogba!


9.) 07 Jan 2021 09:40:13
Well Eric79, did you notice the words "energy" and "tackle well and defensively good"? I don't think those words can be associated with Pogba.


10.) 07 Jan 2021 07:54:20
Interesting Ed002, thanks.


11.) 07 Jan 2021 15:49:18
Lpu. I've not seen any of him. Where did you get the footage to know so much? Can you post the link i'd love to see more.
Have you seen him play live?


12.) 08 Jan 2021 04:20:08
Ken - not seen him live. Just some clips on youtube.

You know sometimes when you see a player and you sense and know that this guy is going to go places - it's one of those. I felt the same about Haaland and unfortunately we couldn't get him.

Caicedo is not yet perfect but seems to have all the skills to be a complete midfielder in the near future.


13.) 08 Jan 2021 20:08:25
Not seen him at all mate. As a result i can't give an opinion.


14.) 09 Jan 2021 04:09:55
Fair enough Ken. Maybe Ed002 can share some info. on the player.

{Ed002's Note - There is growing interest in him and he is well thought of. I don't think it would do him any good at all moving to Manchester United and hopefully that is the advice he will get.}


15.) 09 Jan 2021 14:04:07
If i was a player trying to make my way in the game i would not go near any team ole was coaching. i'd stay well clear and take my chances elswhere.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 04:59:36
Sven Botman being linked to us, a tall 20yr old Dutch CB. I heard he was strongly linked with Liverpool which seem to be now dismissed as agent talk. Anything the EDs know? Is he an option for us?

From the clips on youtube, he is a left footed player who seems good on the ball with excellent distribution skills. Seems good in 1vs1 situations, physical, decent in the air and seems to have the pace. Although he tackles well, at times seems to lunge in.

He seems to be available for £27million as per reports. Looks good on youtube, anyone seen him play on a regular basis?

LetsPlay!United

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach by Manchester United.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:48:56
Thanks Ed002.


2.) 06 Jan 2021 16:42:10
I hear we're interested in his team mate Robin as well.

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️🤣


3.) 07 Jan 2021 10:16:35
bilko!, Botman and Robin under the wings of Ole - a dream team that.


 

 

 

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08 Sep 2021 04:03:22
For the people who say VDB is not good enough and he's all hype, here are some stats from his time at Ajax:

In all competitions all seasons:

175 Apps 41 Goals 34 Assists

CM - 90 Apps 22 Goals 13 Assists
AM - 68 Apps 18 Goals 19 Assists
DM 14 Apps 1 Goal 2 Assists

Last 3 seasons:

2019/ 20 - 37 Apps 10 Goals 11 Assists

CM - 18 Apps 7 Goals 3 Assists
AM - 19 Apps 3 Goals 8 Assists

2018/ 19 - 57 Apps 17 Goals 13 Assists

CM - 9 Apps 2 Goals 2 Assists
AM - 48 Apps 15 Goals 11 Assists

2017/ 18 - 39 Apps 13 Goals 6 Assists

CM - 34 Apps 13 Goals 4 Assists
DM - 4 Apps 2 Assists


It's clear he's been consistently involved in the goals for the team over the seasons and mind you he doesn't have the penalties to boost his tally.

Whatever the reasons for him not being played by Ole, it's clear there is a player in there and it's up to the manager to get the best out of him.

Especially looking at our midfield options, VDB needs to be fast tracked into the first team picture but I am not sure Ole and his coaching staff are up for it.

There's no point keeping him if you are hesitant or doubtful about his abilities while our other midfielders are getting away with average performances time and again and still he's not given a chance.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 08 Sep 2021 07:49:15
Everyone fan knows that VdB has been unfairly treated to a point of almost mocking him with the occasional 3 min left sub appearance from the bench.

I think the OGS was coerced into the signing of VDB. He has almost been frozen out when players around him have been very poor.

Pogba has been very poor. December 2020 saw him perform much better. Yet prior to this, he was given ample amount of game time when there wasn't a case for justifying his inclusion in the starting 11.

A think VdB will. perhaos get a loan move in January or sold next summer. You can't but help feel sorry for the lad.


2.) 08 Sep 2021 08:33:52
It is ridiculous how little game time Van De Beek has been given especially with the competition in those midfield spots.

We will probably never know how good he could be in the pivot at United as he will likely not be given a run of games there. However, for what it's worth, having a player who constantly offers and option and isn't afraid to take the ball in tight spaces isn't a bad thing. Particularly when we seem so determined to play out from the back.

Clearly Ole values energy and the ability to run above the ability to keep possession, it's why the like of Dan James and Fred were / are given so much game time over players who are far better technically.


3.) 08 Sep 2021 10:31:28
It's a tricky one. Donny has proven himself to be one of the best players in the Eredivisie. However, players like Alfonso Alves and Mateja Kezman also proved themselves in the Netherlands but never lived up to that in the EPL.

I think what Donny has said in the interview with Rio is very interesting and puts to bed this idea that he can only play as a No.10.

Ajax make all their players play every position while in their academy to create well rounded players. So he knows what is needed and how to play in every position. He is a very intelligent player as seen by how eloquently and intelligently he spoke during that interview.

He also made a great point when he said his best position for Ajax in their system might be different to his best position for United in our system.

Personally I think his best position for us is in the No.8 role where he has the freedom to play box to box, he has the discipline and intelligence to know when to break forward and when to stay deep. His ability to find space will give us a better play to play though the press, while when he does break forward to be the extra man he has the attacking instincts to play killer passes and find the back of the net himself.

Whether he'll get a chance in that rolesremains to be seen.


4.) 08 Sep 2021 11:46:45
Not sure where you've gotten the stats to prove in which position they were achieved but either you must have watched every single Ajax game he was involved in or they're just plucked from the internet. The Ajax model in midfield atleast from what I have seen, is very interchangeable so I think it would be very difficult to pinpoint at which position they came from. Starting berth doesn't tend to mean much these days with the fluidity of some formations.

His stats are great, however this has been in the Dutch league. There is of course a step up to the premier league.

I am baffled though, cannot possibly be worse than Fred.


5.) 08 Sep 2021 11:59:47
Point of view from a rival. Van De Beek deserves the chance to at least make a case for himself rather than be shafted by Ole as he can't be much worse than Fred etc.

Shappy - sorry you use Alfonso Alves and Kezman as examples to beat Donny with but on the oppoiste side forget about all the players that have done well after joining from the Eredivise such as Suarez, Van Nistelrooy, Van Persie, Kuyt to name a few. You can't compare a player from the country/ league he comes from because if you did that then you can name flops from every other league too.


6.) 08 Sep 2021 13:04:31
Ox in a Box, I'm not using Alves as a stick to beat Donny. I actually really like Donny and even said I'd prefer him over Grealish last summer when we were linked to both.

I want Donny to do well, I think he has the skillset to do well. I was just merely pointing out that stats achieved in a the much weaker less physically demanding and slower paced Eredivisie don't necessarily translate over to equal performances in the EPL.

Obviously there are success stories from the Netherlands to the EPL, otherwise no one would sign players from there.

With Donny he has had at best mixed performances for us. He was excellent against Wolves on the last day of last season, but before that he did very little in either the games he started or his minutes as a sub to demand he start the next game.

I think Donny himself recognises that he needed to adapt and do more and that is why he spent time over the summer improving his physique and making himself strong and more durable so that he can handle the rough and tough of the heart of midfield in the EPL.

Hopefully this season he gets the chance to prove himself and gets a run of games. Once/ if he gets that chance though it will be down to him to prove he should be starting the next game. I don't agree with giving a player, any player, 4-5 games regardless of performances to try and play their way into form.

If you get a chance then it's down to you to prove you deserve to play the next game. If you play poorly then you need/ deserve to be dropped.

I don't agree with people saying Fred should be dropped for a poor performance but that Donny should be given multiple passes on poor performances to play his way into form.


7.) 08 Sep 2021 14:48:10
Shappy, how long has Fred been here compared to Donny?

If you are willing to keep playing a player who's given plenty of games and yet gives average performances consistently then Donny certainly deserves more opportunities to gain confidence and form.


8.) 08 Sep 2021 15:26:20
LPU in the same scenario kindly post the stats of the following

Alexis at Arsenal
Kagawa at BVB
Kezman at PSV
Mhki at BVB
Falcoa at Monaco

I can go on and on. I am not saying VDB is not good enough. Just saying that posting such Stats can be misleading.


9.) 08 Sep 2021 16:48:15
LPU, I'd love to see Donny get more game time. But bar the last game of the season against a half arsed Wolves or a pre-season friendly against Everton can you name a game where Donny has played and you thought he played well and deserved to start the next game?


10.) 09 Sep 2021 03:01:38
Shappy, coming in from a "much weaker less physically demanding and slower paced Eredivisie" and you expect Donny to straight away prove himself being in and out of the team all the time, in fact spending more time on the bench. How well do you think Fred and Martial did to deserve opportunities in the team consistently?

We just will never know if Donny would be good enough or not if he's not afforded enough opportunities on the pitch on a consistent basis. Putting him in meaningless games or bringing him on in the final few minutes and that too once in a while is not of much help to build up confidence and momentum.

Looking at the stats there is definitely a player in there and he needs to be better utilized by the manager especially considering his other options in the midfield.


11.) 09 Sep 2021 12:16:40
If Donny was doing it in training he’d get picked. Managers pick the teams to win matches, not their mates. I’m sure the coaches are telling him what he needs to do to get a game. If he’s not responding to that then move him on. Any of them.


 

 

02 Sep 2021 06:19:39
Is Ronaldo the best all round attacking player in history who can do everything?

He can dribble, has great close control and quick feet to get past people.

Two footed and equally good on both feet and can shoot and score from virtually anywhere.

His aerial ability is unmatched and probably the best I have ever witnessed.

His movement and anticipation is top notch and has got a world class striker's instinct in him.

His finishing is top class but his hunger for more is just amazing even at his age.

Probably Ibra is the only one comparable in terms of longevity while being able to contribute at the highest level.

Overall his hardworking mentality, hunger, passion and professionalism to be the best is just mind-blowing. He is a beast.

Can you guys name an all-around player who is comparable or better than him?

LetsPlay!United

1.) 02 Sep 2021 07:15:50
LetsPlay

Best player I have seen and said he would be a great from the first time I saw him on debut and continued to say it when others called him a one trick pony. At 6ft plus he learned to head a ball and recall a header for us to score a goal that was centre half like, rose up and showed power above everyone. Yes he is the GOAT to me. Nearest to him would be Georgie Best but Georgie had more Miss Worlds.


2.) 02 Sep 2021 08:38:43
Being a United fan will likely make the opinion seem biased but he's the best player of all time in my opinion.

He's proved himself in top leagues, won everything at club level and has an international trophy (or 2 if the Nations League counts), changed his game throughout the years and can do everything you want from an attacking player. Undoubtedly, like all top athletes money plays a part but he has challenged himself more than most players when it comes to the moves he's made.

It's an outside chance but if he can inspire this United team with this manager to a Premier League or Champions League it'd arguably be his biggest achievement. I'm pessimistic about our chances of achieving that but if I had to pick one player for one season to try to make it happen it'd be Ronaldo.


3.) 02 Sep 2021 08:43:20
Maradona was a better player. So too was George Best who often played on mud patches of pitches. Best header of a ball was possibly John Charles.


4.) 02 Sep 2021 09:10:53
Red Man, you say a lot of the things my granddad said. I remember always being so frustrated by him and he always told me to wait. He still maintains the best he ever saw was Edwards and often tells stories of a game at highbury, which I think was the last game the babes played.

Last night we were talking after the game obviously a bit disappointed with the result, but also kind of happy about Ronaldo. He is adamant though Tommy Taylor was better in the air!


5.) 02 Sep 2021 10:03:14
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Too young to have seen Edwards or Taylor, however the balls they played with back then were like concrete especially when wet. I started playing with a ball that was unbelievably heavy and my first boots had strengthened toes, possibly with steel in. Can’t remember for sure, but you had to toe bung the ball and avoid heading it if you could. Therefore your grandad saying Taylor was a better header holds weight, but as an all round player Ronaldo is the GOAT. In terms of Maradona, Ronaldo is better. Saw Diego on TV but also in the flesh in that famous OT game where Robson was head and shoulders above him. Anyone who could be kept quiet by Graeme Hogg (I think it was) can’t be the greatest.

There may be better headers than Ron, but all attributes together? None plus great goal scorer and scorer of great goals.


6.) 02 Sep 2021 10:20:42
For me it still has to be George Best. he had balance, tenacity to tease players like Ronaldo does and great all round, right, left, head. Probably the best dribbler you could get and with those boots, balls and pitches. Ronaldo definitely goes close and his longevity is an example for those who seem to think over thirty and its a downhill slope. Only Stanley Matthews kept the quality going for so long. Best was the greatest but Ronaldo definitely the best in recent times.


7.) 02 Sep 2021 11:00:06
Best compliment my granddad gives ronaldo is that he's a mix of Best, Law and Charlton. He can dribble like best, strike with both feet like Charlton and finish like Law.

He will frustrate us a lot this season as he will be anonymous in lots of games, yet pop up with the decisive goal/ goals. I can't wait to see him back out there.


8.) 02 Sep 2021 11:07:31
Would of loved to have seen the Mighty Magyars play: Puskas, Kocsis, Hildegkuti etc. Puskas record is phenomenal.
It's a shame we're talking about greatest headers of ball when so many footballers and their families are now suffering with some form of dementia.

When I was kid, it was part of the game I loved. Who didn't love trying to score a diving header at the local park with a knock off 1974 World Cup football.
Always remember Mcqueen putting so much power into them, Jeff Astle is another who stands out, Andy Gray too.


9.) 02 Sep 2021 11:53:41
One of the best sportsmen ever! Not just in the game of football but all round sports, they are few of this ilk.


10.) 02 Sep 2021 14:14:47
He is the best. No comments needed!


11.) 02 Sep 2021 15:28:02
I think it's almost impossible to judge players from different era's.

While Best was sublime on terrible pitches the players he was dribbling round were probably in the pub the night before.

Look at the technical ability of defenders now, they are much quicker, more mobile, and generally in much better physical shape. While they have for the most part been in a professional academy since they were 7 years old, and have over 10 years of professional coaching before they turn 18.

The technical and tactical level these players are at is a massive step up from the level of your average professional in the 1960's.

The diets, the life styles, everything. That's called progress, more money, more experience, greater knowledge, better science, more and better analysis etc.

George Best was the greatest player of his generation, while Pele was the best of his, Maradona the best of his, Zidane the best of his and Cristiano Ronaldo the best of the current generation.

I think people get far to caught up in the kudos of witnessing the "greatest of all time", just watch great footballers and enjoy their talents, ultimately watching Ronaldo now takes nothing away from my enjoyment and wonderment of watching players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Nedved, Del Piero, Totti, Giggs or whoever else I enjoyed watching at the time.

Is Ronaldo better than all of them? Who knows, more importantly why does it matter? Just enjoy watching the very best players of the time at the time.

I never thought I'd see Ronaldo back in a United shirt, and I know he isn't the player he was 8 years ago when he scored 61 goals in 60 games.

But I will enjoy every minute I get to see him in a United shirt. He is a special player, for us as United fans and for all of football.

I'm not sure who'll be the next great player we will get to watch week in week out, there will be one.


12.) 02 Sep 2021 20:21:07
Both my grandad and dad always said it was Duncan Edwards hands down and he was years from his peak. Physically gra dad said he was dominant to a level no one had ever seen before but he also said he could do everything heading shooting passing both feet tackling including when he wanted, the crowd pleasing little flicks and tricks.

He also raved about Best saying you thought he was the luckiest player ever because in every challenge it always felt that the ball would always bounce to Best's feet or to where Best would take advantage of it, obviously it wasn't luck but his quick feet and football brain. They also said he could dish it out and was a proper nasty little bugger when he needed to be as well. He would get hacked to pieces but dished it back and would have torn modern defenders to shreds such was his close control and modern defenders inability or fear to tackle.

As for Ronnie well only my dad got to see him and loved him too, would say he was one of only a few who could have played with the Babes though no way would big Dunc or Roger Byrne allowed him to throw himself around!

From non United players they both rave about Tom Finney saying he had the most beautiful balance and could play anyway across the forward line. the both reckon he was better than Matthews.


13.) 02 Sep 2021 20:38:41
Just to clarify not that it matters really but I meant only my dad got to see him play at OT live as my grandad stopped going for health reasons not that my grandad had passed which is how it read.


 

 

30 Aug 2021 06:00:33
Results matter and we got one thanks to DeGea who seems to be regaining some form of late.

It was a game where yet again we witnessed Ole's shortcomings as a manager but we somehow managed to get a result.

DeGea, Varane and Greenwood deserve a special mention and they did really well compared to the poor overall performance.

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1.) 30 Aug 2021 08:42:41
I would add AWB in the mix for him clearing the ball off the goalline.
Looked like a goal to me.


 

 

28 Aug 2021 06:11:29
The signing of Ronaldo has got us all excited and already looking forward to the games especially to see him back in United colours.

In reality most of us were probably not expecting to sign him and 'boom' he is back.

I believe the advantages of his signing is multifold:

1. He would bring passion, leadership and winning mentality in the dressing room as well as on the pitch.
2. We finally got an attacker who is imposing in the air and will give us the aerial presence inside the box.
3. He will add a new dimension to the attack where he will shoot from anywhere outside the box given a chance.
4. He is a poacher and if Cavani's movement was not enough this guy is going to make it a lot harder to deal with his clever movement and ability to drop into spaces.
5. He would compensate the void that would be left when Cavani leaves.
6. Provides an opportunity for Greenwood to learn and develop his skills by training and playing with both Cavani and Ronaldo.
7. With Haaland not looking likely next summer it gives Greenwood enough time to establish himself as a CF.
8. Would be a great mentor for the youngsters especially for Amad who could learn and improve his game and gradually get himself into the first team picture.
9. Most importantly would score a lot of goals.

The expectations and excitement of the fans have surged with him coming back and now it's upon Ole to deliver on the pitch.

Ole surely now has to release the shackles with the attacking options at his disposal.

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28 Aug 2021 03:50:12
The CM is the most neglected area of the transfer window so far but one can understand why is it so with our already congested midfield.

The decision to keep Pogba and Lingard as well as buying VDB without a plan has backfired on us and limited our chances of getting a proper DM/ deep lying playmaker in early.

Hopefully that will change now and we get a chance to sign a quality midfielder and probably move a few out as well before the deadline approaches.

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1.) 28 Aug 2021 04:27:46
I don’t see us signing a CM now unless we can sell Martial, Lingard and James in the next few days. To be fair, finding takers probably wouldn’t be all that difficult, though finding clubs willing to match our ridiculous valuations will likely prevent deals from being struck. If it were me, I’d aim to get £55m-£70m for the trio (£30m-£35m / £15m-£20m / £10m-£15m) and be done with it. I don’t think any of them have a future at the club, so keeping them for another year (during which time their value will continue to drop) seems incredibly counterproductive - especially as between them they’re costing us £370k a week in wages. I’d also be offering Matic to Roma and Jones to West Ham for free, which would get another £195k a week off the wage bill.


2.) 28 Aug 2021 05:18:05
Lingard is the most probable to leave if we are willing to put a fair valuation on him.

Martial with the cost involved is unlikely to leave this window and I would rather keep James who could still be a good squad player, for the time being.


3.) 28 Aug 2021 06:55:31
Martial Or Dan James loan would work too for the short term.
There is not so much space to accomodate these lot.
Even though I don't like Phil Jones, if there's a space left in squad at the end of the day for 25, let's pencil him in.
There will be 1-2 games in the league when we will have to play someone as backup and maybe Phil plays.
Ideally though he should move out to any team that offers him gametime.
We can partially pay the wages but the lad needs to play and show that he is still a premiership defender.


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2021 07:13:36
GDS2,

Yes, even a clown would know better.

If Ole really wanted a DM, there would had been a plan laid out to move players out early to make space in the team which didn't happen.

It was just the opposite that we dished out new contracts to ageing players and blocked moves for some while keeping the likes of VDB who doesn't seem to be in Ole's plans anyhow.

A CB and CM should had been the priority this window with the RW a bonus signing but everyone knew what Ole's top priority was and that's Sancho.

In short the CB and RW was the priority for Ole and a CM seen as a bonus signing if it happened. There was no serious attempts to make that happen.

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dazw, you just insulted Roy Keane there 😊.

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30 Aug 2021 06:09:26
James can be coached to be a very good squad player I would say.

He would probably be more suited to a team with fluid attacking football where the emphasis is on progressing the ball quickly.

I am wondering how he would do at Dortmund for example.

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21 Aug 2021 05:19:56
dannyc, good for the lad.

He definitely needs more game time and needs to physically bulk up slightly to make it in the PL.

We will know if he is ready for the first team in a couple of years time provided there is space in our already congested midfield.

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11 Aug 2021 04:19:20
Eric79, injuries have certainly hampered any progress he would have made.

A loan move would suit all concerned and would help us move him on permanently if he does well.

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11 Sep 2021 07:41:45
The mighty Fred is back, poor Donny.

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Ed001, any chance of Ole replacing the smiling emojis for the time being?

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Ed001, very possible. Let me try ????.

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Ed001, it seems DodgyBanter has crashed the emojis on here by that outrageous title claim.

Poor emojis.

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09 Sep 2021 03:14:45
DodgyBanter, Fred as an "important member" in a title winning season - would love to see that ????????.

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