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19 Feb 2021 10:07:56
Not sure why Ole looked so subdued yesterday and no reaction from him whatsoever for the goals we scored. Looked unimpressed throughout.

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19 Feb 2021 12:01:23
I'd imagine it's because he's not happy with the inconsistency. I know in his position, I wouldn't be overjoyed at a good performance like that, I'd be annoyed that a team capable of that had played the way they did in the last few games.

19 Feb 2021 12:45:32
If he was celebrating like a mad man i’m sure people would find a negative in that as well, perhaps the camera just didn’t go on to him at the moment the goals went in or he didn’t want to show too much emotion.

19 Feb 2021 13:22:46
GDS2 I am not suggesting he needs to be crazy but there was not even a smile on his face. Are you suggesting that the media is conspiring against Ole by not showing his best moments in a match and projecting him as an uninspiring manager at United?

19 Feb 2021 13:50:28
Probably because it's the Europa League, seriously am I the only one who struggles to get excited about playing in league 2 for the European competitions.

19 Feb 2021 13:56:10
No, I’m suggesting they just didn’t show it last night, no conspiracy at all, I just don’t think a managers emotions need to be analysed and judged after every goal, it’s not really a fair way to judge.

19 Feb 2021 14:06:56
I thought it was because of Rashy missing two 1 vs 1 in the first 10 mins.

19 Feb 2021 14:28:27
GDS2 I understand what you say but still wondering that there is a player in Ole the manager and a goal would just get him excited no matter what. Maybe the pressure of being the manager for United is taking it's toll on him.

19 Feb 2021 15:17:34
Shappy

No, me too. when we won it 3 years ago I was pleased but nothing like when we won something that mattered. I was more pleased to win the League Cup that year.

19 Feb 2021 17:21:50
We are possibly too spoilt, we haven’t won a trophy for 3 years, I would take a community shield right now.

19 Feb 2021 09:52:23
12 minutes isn't much to judge a player on, but I liked the look of what I saw from Amad. He showed a willingness to do the defensive work, and he did it intelligently, watching passing lanes etc.

Nice bit of skill by the touchline to escape from two opponents and scare the third into a clumsy foul.

Looking forward to seeing what he can do given a bit more time.

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19 Feb 2021 10:22:45
I have to agree Thorne. He looks a very confident lad and seems to have the pace, energy and skills to take people on and what he did on the touchline with 3 opponents close to him was fantastic.

A very short cameo but I am excited as well to see him given more opportunities and minutes on the pitch.

19 Feb 2021 14:42:13
When Dan James scored his goal, Diallo had burst all the way forward right to the goal line. He was probably only one shoe size away from nicking the goal off DJ. Encouraging to see that sort of instinct in one of our forwards.

19 Feb 2021 15:26:28
JohnyKills

It's too early but the signs are really encouraging and if we believe the reports that everyone at the club are really impressed by him and if he could just keep improving and show glimpses of what he is capable given more opportunities then we could soon have a skillful player on the flanks who could get us on the edge of our seats.

19 Feb 2021 08:03:46
I think my main emotion this year has been frustration. Be honest, was anyone expecting a 4-0 win last night. The team had been stuttering badly and the zip had gone yet last night we sparked and other than a dodgy first 10 minutes we looked good throughout.

A lot, played well and we looked like a team, we created a lot of chances and put 4 of them away. So where has this form been, and what are we so bloody inconsistent?

Rashford both impresses and frustrates in the same game, James eventually got into the game and contributed really well, his last goal encapsulated what most of us were expecting from him when we signed him. Maguire was very solid, Fred and Scott ran the midfield, and Bruno was Bruno. I liked the team lasypt night with age do, Bailly and dare I say James. Add Cavani and Shaw in and that is my preferred 13.

We can play well, we can create chances, we can dominate and win games, but it’s so frustrating that this team can suddenly look lethargic and lacking in ideas.

I’m also going to, give live chat a miss from now in, 4-0 up, played well, and people were still moaning. It’s bad enough having to listen to it when we have played badly but after a game like that, I give up.

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19 Feb 2021 08:34:02
I thought Tuanzebe should have started from the beginning. He needs minutes. I hope be don't become embroiled in a EL run that sees us missing out on the top 4.

19 Feb 2021 08:34:25
Age do? Should have been Hendo.

19 Feb 2021 08:35:39
I watch a fair bit of different leagues around Europe, and if I'm the big thing that stands out is the clear disparity between the top teams and the rest.

Teams that finish 5th or 6th in Spain, France, Italy or Germany would be battling relegation in the EPL. Tactically the managers tend to get more out of their players, but the quality of their players just isn't anywhere near what it is in the EPL.

What this highlights is that playing and winning in the EPL is much harder to do so consistently as most teams have a few players who can hurt you.

This season everyone is hopelessly inconsistent, Liverpool have both scored and conceded 7 goals in different games. We lost 6-1 to Spurs but beat Southampton 9-0.

The circumstances of the league this year means that it cannot be judged by the same standards that we would normally judge it.

Form is very temporary this season, and it's not just us. Everyone has been impacted.

19 Feb 2021 08:47:58
I think the inconsistency comes from consistently selecting and in balanced team.

Henderson > De Gea
Bailly > Lindelof

Those two changes really add a lot to the overall balance.

19 Feb 2021 08:48:11
I hope we go all out to win it as I think top 4 will be a struggle.

19 Feb 2021 08:55:02
Good spot Utd Road, I’d keep those changes.

Ken, I don’t think top 4 is going to be a struggle. We’ve had a dodgy run but others will too and we have a lot of points in the bag. We shall see.

19 Feb 2021 09:28:31
I thought we played really well yesterday and could have scored more goals than we did .
I'm not sure our opponents game plan was the greatest I've ever seen if they have watched much of united, leaving space behind the defense and giving fast attackers one on one situations with big spaces behind the defender but that's on them they paid the price for it .
Good win and good performance.

19 Feb 2021 09:30:10
We generally do well when teams do not sit deep and play into our hands by playing on the front foot without having real quality up top and then succumb to our counter attacks. That was the case yesterday and nothing surprising really.

Although Rashford did miss a few chances we took most of our other chances yesterday which is encouraging.

19 Feb 2021 09:59:57
Great win, would have definitely taken that score at any time. The opposition set up was a bit like Leipzig at home, their coach left space for our pace to run onto, tactical suicide. Leipzig learnt from the first game but RS are four down so can’t compact the space and sit deeper next time. They might but it will be tougher to score 4 unanswered at OT. Also it was a neutral ground last night, so we definitely had the advantage overall.

Other teams will watch and see how high a line to play and that is going to be our challenge. We struggle tactically against more compact teams who deny space in behind.

Enjoyable to watch the game, something we haven’t been able to say recently.

19 Feb 2021 12:54:25
I stopped with the live chat a while back Tony, occasionally come on at half time in games to see what is going on and say hi to the regulars, I guess it’s just a place where people can vent as emotions run high during the game but the negativity is crazy at times. Obviously didn’t see last night but I can imagine.

I think we are in a battle for top 4 but can’t honestly say it will or should end up being a struggle, we are in a good position, rarely lose away from home and should pick up enough points to cement it. I also hope we go for the Europa though, a trophy for Ole would really do him good.

20 Feb 2021 10:29:58
I don’t think there was much negativity on live chat on Thursday, the only real frustration was Ole again not using substitutions well. Three nil up away from home and we would have liked to see more than 8 mins or whatever it was of Amad plus take the opportunity to rest someone. We had five subs and Ole doesn’t use them in a busy season, so what was wrong in expressing that concern? Or if the score is in our favour we must all bow down and only say positive things?

19 Feb 2021 07:55:54
Good game last night. Slow start as per but picked up.

Hope to see a couple of fringe players and U23s on the bench for the return leg next week.

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19 Feb 2021 08:36:14
Great game last night, you can tell as no one is posting on here🤣.

19 Feb 2021 10:03:30
Shappy, I would love us to do the same against teams sitting deep and winning comfortably then people would probably be posting more.

19 Feb 2021 10:24:48
Shappy, should have seen the live chat yesterday. No pleasing some fans.

19 Feb 2021 11:40:17
I'm not really a frequent poster here but it pretty much summed things up when I came on a few hours after a 4-0 win and it hadn't even been mentioned. I'm sure if it was the other way round I wouldn't have even been able to access the site!

19 Feb 2021 14:09:39
lol spenno, that's true.

19 Feb 2021 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th February 2021

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18 Feb 2021 12:40:06
Racial abuse is becoming more and more prominent in football. At least it is a hot topic and being reported more - maybe it was always there.

How long until the ceremonial kneeling that has now made everyone feel they are taking "some action" against this disease needs to become something more tangible, like striking. I really feel that we are not far away from players on a big game day from deciding amongst themselves to walk off in a flash strike. Imagine the impact, massive game everyone kneels, then all players walk off leaving the commentators to try to explain what just happened. The gesture of kneeling has completely lost it's message.

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18 Feb 2021 13:16:43
The power lies with the top social media providers to make it harder, or impossible, for people to have untraceable accounts and hide behind them. I can't even understand why they are able to.

18 Feb 2021 13:33:55
Spenno, it's because many people around the world don't have a valid i'd and are unable to obtain one. If social media platforms are to require i'd it will cut off millions of people and further favour the so called "privileged".

Also I don't think silencing the racists is a long term solution. A lot more needs to be done to educate people and stop this at its source so that the next generation aren't brought up in a world where such nastiness exists.

18 Feb 2021 14:56:07
Surely with these absolutely massive social media companies having the top end algorithms, artificial intelligence and machine learning tools, it wouldn't be too difficult to put in a filter which prevents messages with racial abuse in them from being posted or seen by player targeted.

For example and i know they're not all like that i saw the abuse that Axel Tuanzebe received and it was literally a long string of monkey emojis. Surely some algorithm can be used which flags that as racial abuse and the message gets destroyed or held back.

18 Feb 2021 15:39:05
It's a reflection of the deep divides within society currently. People are angry, confused and looking for people to blame, or just looking to feel good about themselves by elevating themselves above another group by putting that group down.

It doesn't matter what the divide is, gender, race, class, age, or political view point. At some point over the past 12 months the media have targeted one group or another. How many stories have we seen about "immigrants", "gender rights", "people on benefits", "youngsters", "Brexiters" or "Remainers", and how many of these articles are written in a positive manner?

It's always doom and gloom, the younger generation are ruining the country, or its immigrants, or benefit cheats, or LGBTQ.

The media run story after story blaming each group for all the wrongs in society. Then people are surprised when tensions form between groups of people.

When it comes to these social problems being seen in football it can be hard to tell if its life imitating art or art imitating life. I don't for one second believe football is a driver behind racism, it is one of the most inclusive sports in the world. The issue is that it attracts a lot of attention and not everyone who enjoys and follows football has the capacity or intelligence or are self aware enough to understand their actions and thoughts.

Their displaced anger at life and their current situations often lead to them to lashing out and people's skin tone is an easy target.

In terms of combating it, education, education, education. That is the only way to tackle the issue long term. You need to educate as many people as possible to as high a level as they can achieve.

While social media has to step up, if they can sensor a Presidents tweets then they can filter out criminal acts such as racial abuse if they want to. This sort of language and thoughts have no place in society and social media needs to take a stand.

The rest of us just need to make sure we are as respectful as we can be to each other, remember that our children will follow our example far more closely than they will follow our direction. Teaching your children about what is and isn't acceptable extends to being the example for them. Educate them, and anyone else you can, as best you can.

18 Feb 2021 20:50:14
Verified accounts and AI blocking racism.
Pretty easy imo.

18 Feb 2021 21:15:34
The players can do so much but ultimately when it comes to racist abuse in the grounds at matches the supporters have got to show the moral strength and point out the culprits to ground staff.

Then provided proven guilty maybe before each match a photo montage with names of racists could be shown on the big screen. Shame them and ban them for life from every football ground. All ticket holders should be easily tracked down to their address in this computer age.

As regards social media abuse the government has to pass laws to make the platforms like twitter instagram etc take proactive steps to trace the culprits. Also if the likes of google can spend millions developing algorithms allowing the public to be targeted to specific adverts to encourage spending on certain items then they should be compelled to devote more resources to weed out this rubbish and filth polluting the internet. Maybe a compulsory tax or a fine for every racist comment with fines increasing for each new post? A lot of liberals will bleat about it but affirmative action needs to be taken.

The long term solution though is to educate our children better and to make racism or discrimination of any form which is malicious to be as socially unacceptable as drink driving is now. It is impossible to eradicate but we all have a duty to do better and reduce it to the least possible.

18 Feb 2021 23:19:51
These **** should be fined or put in prison. Everyone should be able to do their job without fear of receiving hateful abuse; racist or otherwise.

18 Feb 2021 12:28:51
The Pogba debate seems to be back on. Yet again there are hundreds of excuses for him not performing consistently and still he gets the 'world class' or 'top player' tag which is beyond me.

The fact that people are still talking about his talent or potential and not his performances says a lot about him as a player. He simply doesn't have the mentality to fulfill his potential.

It seems he doesn't want to be the "best among the rest" as he probably likes to be "one among the best" in a team of Galacticos where he can stay in his comfort zone and not work hard.

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18 Feb 2021 13:19:45
It's only 'on' because you keep making it on :p
Ok, overall he's not lived up to the hype/ potential/ haircut etc, but his recent performances warrant a bit more positivity. For me anyway :D.

18 Feb 2021 13:36:01
He's 28 in less than a month. The potential debate is null and void.

18 Feb 2021 21:34:20
In the right team and the right surroundings he will shine but he is not the leader.
It's no excuse for him the same can be said for many players.
Sometimes signings don't work out players don't live up to fans expectations. Its not been a good signing for us. Not the 1st nor the last.

19 Feb 2021 10:24:34
Sorry Ken that is ridiculous to say he would play better in the right team / surroundings. Bruno manages to do it nearly every game. Jack Grealish manages to do it week in week out with players that are even worse at Villa. To me it say's he can't be bothered putting 100% in because he doesn't want to be at United. His heart has never been in it from the start.
The Pogba debate is a joke, he has been sh*t for 4 years now.

18 Feb 2021 11:27:24
Utd have signed about 30 senior players since the SFA era (ie ones expected to bypass youth/ reserve teams and make some kind of challenge for the first team) . I'd argue that only four have been world class: Fernandes, Cavani, Ibrahimovic . and. Pogba. So, we still have three of those.
I'd love to argue the case for Falcao, Sanchez and Schweinsteiger, all of whom I felt were great signings at the time, but were so disastrous that they are best consigned to the history books.
I don't think Pogba will leave and I hope his Utd story has some way to go yet (and improve) .
Although Ole has a chance for the FA / UEFA Cup I am not convinced he'll break his trophy duck this season. I suspect top 4 will be the only achievement sadly which is obviously not good enough but I don't think he'll lose his job. His employers seem too sucked in by the long-term plan which is admirable but needs to be backed up with stronger signings than 2/ 3 of the players United managers have been given post Fergie.

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18 Feb 2021 12:10:50
spenno, you can't put Pogba in that world class bracket with the performances we have witnessed from him at United so far. And I hope that his time with us ends soon as I don't have any belief in him.

With regards to Ole you're right as the board isn't going to make a change unless we mess up big time and finish outside top 4. And even with better signings I doubt Ole has what it takes to win things.

18 Feb 2021 12:56:17
Now I'm not defending Pogba but rememeber when he was "World Class" at Juventus? he's on paper better than he was then.

Juventus

Games: 124
Starts: 108
Goals: 28
Assists: 22
Minutes per goal or assist: 198.5

Manchester United

Games: 124
Starts: 113
Goals: 28
Assists: 26
Minutes per goal or assist: 187.1.

18 Feb 2021 13:38:36
Kurtis would you like to do that again but without penalties?

He didn't take pens at Juve.

18 Feb 2021 15:10:36
Di Maria deserves a mention. And say what you want about Lukaku, but he is having quite a career, world class or not.

18 Feb 2021 19:23:42
Just checked for you Wazza, 7 Penalties for United and 1 for Juventus.

 


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