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16 Dec 2025 10:15:28
After last night we're now on target to score 70+ goals compared with 44 last season. With our woeful defence we're going to concede over 60. So, plenty goal action, and If goal action is the main criterion for entertainment, United's games are probably the most entertaining from a neutral perspective in the EPL right now. Love or hate Amorim, football entertainment is what United should be all about and that element seems to be returning, as frustrating as it is to watch us give up leads game after game.
We all have our ideas about what we need to take the next step. Clearly we have problems in midfield and defence particularly in Amorim's preferred system. It would not surprise me if the club tries to sign someone in the January window. In the meantime I'll go along with 4-8 goal thrillers over a painful 0-0, 1-0, or 0-1.
1.) 16 Dec 2025 11:28:26
I absolutely agree, last night as a whole lot of fun and I’m all for it. In the summer we sorted out our attack and we all knew that left us short in midfield and defence, if the next few windows improve our defence and midfield like the last one improved the attack then the future looks just fine, with a few youngsters shining and looking to knock on the door that hopefully we can keep hold of.
2.) 16 Dec 2025 12:13:47
We are 2nd in the league for chances created and top of the league for shots. We are third in the league for goals scored. Every metric is a massive improvement on last year.
The issue is obviously the goals we concede. There is a glaring issue with the team, you see it every game. last night was a perfect example, we get absolutely destroyed my midfield runners both on and off the ball. The back line are set up and keep their discipline in most instances. We allow midfield runners to overload the defence.
Last night the three Bournemouth goals from open play were all due to the midfield not dong their job.
1st - Shaw loses the ball on the left, makes no effort to get the ball back, there is massive amounts of space as Casemiro isn't in the left CM position, Mount is having to sprint back to cover, Semenyo is allowed to run for appox 20 meters at the defence and scores.
2nd - Tavernier picks the ball up in the centre circle, Bruno is the wrong side, Tavernier is allowed to run with the ball for approx 10 meters and put in a through ball completely un impeded by Bruno.
4th - Jiménez picks the ball up in the centre circle to the right (no player within 7 meters), Bruno is on the left side of the pitch. Cuhna tries to get back to put him under pressure but there's too much space to make up player drives at the defence with the ball, puts in a through ball and they score.
This is constantly happening, we've lost loads of points this season as we have not picked up midfield runners.
We have a great creative vessel in Bruno, he however lacks tactical discipline. Casemiro hasn't got the legs to cover both him and Bruno and to be fair to Casemiro there isn't a player in football that can cover that much ground.
We desperately need to change this midfield. We need players with better tactical discipline, more energy and more tenacity. We need two players that an cover Brunos creative numbers whist actually providing cover for the defence.
3.) 16 Dec 2025 18:52:17
Rewz good points and whilst I absolutely recognise brunos strengths i also see his short comings in his position at the moment.
For the 4th goal he was on the left but mainoo dived in to win a ball he couldn't win and left the midfield vacant.
The reasoning for that is that neither have defencive instincts and nous. Its not natural for them and the more frantic a game gets its plays into their strengths but more importantly throughly exposes their weaknesses.
Bruno gets exposed losing possession in bad areas and as you say players running off him. Cas is his cover and its been ok at times but when cas goes off the stats tell you we do worse.
But bruno also is our talisman and is involved in a high percentage of our attacking play and output.
Again i'm not a huge bruno fan but I respect him a lot and I acknowledge how hard he tries.
In his defence in order to be rounded he does not want to play deeper. For the way the manager wants to play he feels bruno is our best option to play with cas. We know he wants a cm. Is that to play with cas or with bruno. If he gets a cm My guess is it will be to play with cas for the remainder of the season and not with bruno.
15 Dec 2025 00:08:50
So tomorrow is yet another opportunity to make a move up to the European places. Let's hope the team is up for it and they don't blow it once again. Winning games is not easy as Spurs and Newcastle fans will attest. Even Arsenal at home only beat Wolves by the odd goal.
1.) 15 Dec 2025 05:56:06
Bournemouth are a tough team to play against, it'll be a difficult game.
2.) 15 Dec 2025 10:52:40
3-1 united.
3.) 15 Dec 2025 13:37:49
Bournemouth as shap said are a tough team to play but they aren't at there best i'm going with jimbob think it will be an easy win with us giving up yet another goal.
4.) 15 Dec 2025 15:25:20
Lost 3-0 at home to Bournemouth the last two seasons. So definitely won’t be an easy game.
Might come down to who gets the first goal.
They haven’t been the usual Bournemouth the last few weeks, but still a good team that can score goals.
Hopefully Semenyo has an eye on a Jan transfer rather than the game.
{Ed025's Note - i think the way Utd play it really suits Bournemouth FG, they like to play on the counter and your midfield leaves a lot of gaps for them to run into, you are right about it not being an easy game mate..
5.) 15 Dec 2025 17:34:20
No easy games in this league. Wolves put it up to arsenal yesterday. i'd take the same result now in a heartbeat. On any given day most teams are capable of winning amd losing.
Our next 2 games after this are really tricky imo so getting 3 points tonight is vital. Its our last game before we lose the afcon lads so need to win.
13 Dec 2025 23:41:01
Man Utd have been in a winning position for 623mins and 55 seconds thus far this year. It's more than the whole of last season. To say we're not improving is nonsense. The issue is quite simple. We were not in position to buy every player we needed in the summer. But that scenario is about to change. According to our Q1 financial statements we are confident we're well within PSR requirements for this season and next year it's a whole new system.
United still have a debt and debt service issues but, setting that aside because we really don't know what our debt capacity really is, the club should comfortably be able to spend £250m this coming summer. and stay within both the Uefa and FA rules.
1.) 14 Dec 2025 09:25:35
Next year will be a key year for the club as the Glazers apparently have a financial clause that expires Feb 2027.
This means that they risk reduced returns and diminished control. It would be favourable for the Glazers to negotiate terms for a sale sooner, rather than later.
Whilst I'm not an expert in these matters, the Glazers could potentially lose out financially if they allow the clause to expire.
2.) 14 Dec 2025 11:01:13
I think the clause would force ineos to accept a sale as long as equal or more than what they paid for their shares. But the share price right now is around half that so it seems very unlikely to come into play.
3.) 14 Dec 2025 15:25:24
DonRed,
It is potentially financially beneficial for the Glazers to sell before Feb 2027 as the drag along clause means the Glazers could sell for at least $33 a share - SJR would have to sell his shares too.
After this date, the club could theoretically be sold for less, as this will expire after Feb 2027.
However, the Glazers could just keep things as thye are.
4.) 14 Dec 2025 19:26:52
I've read that and I find it to be an odd framing. The Glazers wouldn't be able to sell at a low price now without Ineos agreement. That's all it means. It's always financially better to sell at a higher price!
5.) 15 Dec 2025 00:04:05
United's total debt in 2014 after the company went public was as low as £400m, perfectly manageable. The 2 primary reasons the debt is so high today is actually not the LBO, or even the dividends, but managerial incompetence and Covid. If United had bought as wisely and had remained as successful as they were during the Gill/SAF era, the debt would not be what it is today. Ed Woodward will go down in United history as the worst CEO the club has had the misfortune to be run by.
Yes, the Glazers are greedy. Yes, the LBO should never have been allowed, and would not be today. But that said, the worst sin the worst sin the Glazers committed was foisting a know nothing to run United. Be honest, you might still not care for them, but if we were still a great team winning trophies every season, the debt wouldn't bother you.
13 Dec 2025 10:11:51
I was watching a Paul Scholes diatribe about how Ruben Amorim doesn't get Man Utd and its history of entertaining football. Whether or not RA is the man to return us to the glory days remains to be seen, but I disagree with Scholesy. We're on pace to score 65 goals this season. A big improvement. We have the highest xG in the league which suggests it's not the style but the execution. We're also shipping goals so, from a neutral point of view our games have been more entertaining and competitive, even though it's been extremely frustrating for us fans. United at its best in his playing days always conceded chances. We all know, as does Scholes, that we have still not addressed our midfield issues. Amorim has yet to acquire anyone he wants there. It's simply too early to judge. Scholes knows that it took SAF time to succeed fully but he's clearly not prepared to give Amorim the same. What would he prefer? That we continue to chop and change?
I'm not defending Amorim here. He's a young manager who still has a lot to learn. The EPL is a tough league. I just think Scholes the pundit is a very poor shadow of Scholes the player, maybe trying to stay relevant by being controversial. I say give Amorim the midfield he needs. Let's see how the young defenders like Yoro and Heaven mature behind a solid defensive midfield as opposed to one #6 who can no longer play 90 minutes, and who has no one effective to sub for him. Then it will be fair to judge.
1.) 13 Dec 2025 13:34:01
I think all the ex United players should just talk a little less about it all starting to get annoying now.
Not one of them has been a good manager but yet every week they comment on something the club doesn't need that type of noise.
Neville is the absolute worst of them all I detest his commentary when he's on.
Only one I respect is Keane because he just says it as it is.
2.) 13 Dec 2025 13:34:32
The only thing Scholes is doing right now is damaging his own legacy.
3.) 13 Dec 2025 15:42:57
It seems to be the ex Utd players that talk more than any other club.
Amorim can be questioned on things I understand but it ain’t helping the situation.
Funny how he’s criticised every Utd manager but ole….
4.) 13 Dec 2025 17:06:25
Have to say most of them in punditry roles are abysmal aswell Neville and caragher are horrendous.
I watched the palace game against us and ally mccoist was brilliant.
5.) 13 Dec 2025 19:50:09
Imagine how good we could be with top level wing backs and CM pivot who controlled games and had the high energy he has said is lacking from our team.
If our front 7 players were all action pacey monsters and pressing high up the pitch then we had 3 solid quick centre backs to control the space behind this system can be very effective. But we are several players away from that, and to be honest, RA is already slightly damaged goods so, so we may never see it.
6.) 13 Dec 2025 21:15:41
We’ve had two successful managers in our history. Sir Matt and Sir Alex.
The rest have been largely ineffective.
Feels pointless ex United players piling in.
7.) 13 Dec 2025 21:35:30
Neither of them hit the ground running either. Same can be said of a lot of managers.
8.) 14 Dec 2025 20:39:29
There is nothing wrong with ex players having opinions, we just have to remember that opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one and most of them stink.
Scholes did himself a great service during his playing career by not opening his mouth and letting his football do the talking. Unfortunately he can't do that now.
He was a genius on the pitch, but he comes across far less intelligent when he talks. Like many people I think he tries to make life fit his opinions. He spoke about his friend and former colleague getting United to to play the United way, while Ole spoke well at times, his football was not reminiscent of the United of old.
Of course Amorim doesn't play football like the United of old. But then no one else is likely to be able to get us playing like that while also being successful. Football moves on and evolves, and you can either evolve with it or go extinct.
The United way should be about playing a front foot offensive style of play. It should be about giving youth a chance, and ideally it should be entertaining. However, all of those should also some with caveats. SAF didn't play offensive football in every minute of every game. Sometimes we were on the back foot and had to dig in, sometimes we had to win ugly. He gave youth a chance when they deserved it, he also brought back a 38 year old Scholes out of retirement rather than play academy players who weren't good enough.
Of course I'd like to see more youth players get chances, but they have to earn them, I don't want LvG tokenism, giving a random youth player a debut every other week to try and gain good faith with the fans and keep them off his back.
We have plenty of young players the manager gives chances to, Yoro, Amad, Sesko, Dorgu, and Heaven are all young players the manager trusts and gives regular chances to. He also gave Mainoo plenty of game time last season when he was fit to prove himself, and to be frank he didn't set the world alight. I like Mainoo and I want him to be successful, but like Ken has said on here recently, if he wasn't an academy player there wouldn't be half the fuss made about him not starting as there is. Sometimes players performances are elevated in their absence. Mainoo was great at times in his breakout season, patchy at best last season, and poor when he's had chances this year. He hasn't grabbed his chances or staked a claim. The majority of his claim to start more games is based on his form two years ago. Rather than complain about his lack of game time he needs to get his head down and prove in training and in the minutes he gets that he should be starting.
9.) 15 Dec 2025 00:02:19
Scholes is a fan. Just like the rest of us. He's not saying anything about our footballing style and ethos, that we don't all think ourselves.
11 Dec 2025 22:13:02
Here's my 2026 wish list:
1. Onana will be on the books for just £20m at the end of the season. Hopefully he can be sold and a small profit made. If so, we will also save £10m a year in amortization costs.
2. Vitek, who is doing very well at Bristol City, returns and Bayandir is sold. Not a big salary, so not much saving there. Should be easy to move on.
3. Casemiro stays another year at a reduced salary. He'll be out of contract so the amortization savings will be £15m and maybe a £5m reduction in salary. No one else is going to pay him more than £200k a week.
4. Ugarte. I think he's going to be hard to sell, but probably worth taking a loss to get his £8-9m in amortization and £6m wages off our books.
5. With the end of the current PSR system at the end of the season we should be able to spend around £250m a year going forward and stay within the 70% UEFA spending limits. I've no idea what our accounts are looking like for 2025/6 but spending £100m on a top class midfield in January would probably cost us £17-18m this year. If it can be done without falling afoul of PSR, then it should be done. If that one purchase gets us into Europe it will be more than worth it.
6. We do make it into Europe because between the loss of European mid week games in causing me serious withdrawal symptoms.
7. Amorim - with a decent midfield (which we haven't had since the departures of the like of Scholes, Keane, Carrick etc) - actually proves himself to be a great manager and justifies the patience and faith placed in him by the Ineos team.
8. The Republicans get trounced in the midterms.
9. Gianni In"fawn"tino is awarded the best arse licker cup for most embarrassing moment in sport.
1.) 12 Dec 2025 00:03:22
On the last point, at least Blatter tried to pretend FIFA wasn’t corrupt.
2.) 12 Dec 2025 10:06:04
3. Casemiro - No way he stays, he's going to Saudi. I believe he already has the offer and is just running his ridiculous contract down.
The fact we are linked to Baleba, Stiller and Wharton who all play on the left of central midfield tells you the club are planning for his exit.
He's been decent since he arrived and at times has look brilliant. We should never have signed him though especially on those wages.
4. Ugarte - Linked to Turkey in Jan, we are so light in midfield i can't see it happening.
Don't be surprised to see both Casemiro and Bruno leave in the summer. I personally think its best for all to part ways. We need to completely overhaul this midfield, we've lost a couple of games and drawn a couple this season by not tracking midfield runners. Improving tactical discipline and brining in higher intensity players will give us more control. in an ideal world you bring in Wharton and Anderson, with those two you have a super high intensity 8 in Anderson and a scanning regista passing type 6 in Wharton. Getting both is highly unlikely though.
3.) 12 Dec 2025 10:39:12
Point 3 - I'd let Casemeiro go. Get his wages off the books and invest in a younger, better player who has the legs to last 90 plus minutes 3 times a week.
Additionally, I'd let Maguire leave aswell. High wages, and has started to become injury prone over the past couple of seasons. I've never rated him either. I find him rather ponderous.
4.) 12 Dec 2025 12:27:54
I would also let Bruno go.
Square pegs in round holes comes to mind, whilst Amorin is in charge he will never be played further forward.
We should get some money in for him and invest in two top central midfielders in the summer.
5.) 12 Dec 2025 14:59:58
Great investing in two midfielders but still not got a striker or wing backs……. Easier just to send RA on his way, because even with the extra players I don’t see him winning much, in game management is diabolical and the stubbornness is utter ridiculous other than that he is nice guy, but always got an excuse, I don’t see that changing.
6.) 12 Dec 2025 15:50:39
Amorim, won’t be a great manager.
Shown nothing to indicate he will be.
7.) 12 Dec 2025 16:11:24
Je suis unite - get used to it because he's going to be here at least until the end of the season.
By the looks of it we are going to finish a lot higher than we did last season and you never know he may win a cup so the likes of SJR and Wilcox will probably see that as a positive and if that's the case he will be backed again in the summer.
8.) 12 Dec 2025 17:02:35
I don't necessarily think bruno should be sold. He has a release clause for 57m for European teams. So i'd rather keep him. If he wants to go to Saudi and they want to pay 100m then its a very different conversation.
He is playing well at the moment generally imo and has improved as the season has gone on. With the right partner we could see better and more from him in that deeper role.
I agree we need 2 signings for that deeper role is love to see Anderson belaba and bruno fighting it out for the 2 starting spots. Bruno can also play higher up of course so as long as he is contributing positively I wouldn't sell him unless its a move he asks for.
9.) 12 Dec 2025 21:27:17
Bruno has to go, I know that upsets some people but we've got to turn the page and move forward.
Bruno, Dalot, Casemiro, Harry, Shaw all part of our past. Not our future. I don't believe we will ever be back until these guys are all gone.
10.) 13 Dec 2025 06:54:33
I be very surprised Sim he makes the end of the season, even if he does he is gone then without doubt, they took a gamble and it clearly ain’t worked…. nice guy talks a good game but far too stubborn and is very naive, even we are a year in and let’s be honest we look mid table, we still not got a decent striker we got no wing backs no midfield, but even if we magic these all in, I just don’t see RA being good enough, is that all of a sudden going to make his in game management any good, is that going to stop him subbing defenders for defenders or falling out with people who don’t want to be robots in his rigid system….
Be honest if you were a top player would you want to play for RA? The honest answer would have to be NO.
11.) 13 Dec 2025 16:27:55
Dodgy i don't disagree with that at all. However bruno is still making a very positive contribution so another year unless we get an offer we can't refuse makes sense. The other 4 you mention i'd be happy see them leave in the summer.
12.) 13 Dec 2025 19:56:58
Yeah, bruno is having a bit of a tour de force season. But as a centre mid he is a liability and has cost us points. I also dint like that he says he will never stop playing the risky pass and how he throws young players under the bus a bit.
I feel bruno is a bit of a right of passage for us. Our modern day van nistelrooy. When he left we wondered how we would score goals. But as a team we played better and score more goals all around the team (if I remember correctly) . It is a statement of a new team to remove the star player and build the next dynasty. I don't think we will let him go Tbh. Maybe even extend cassemiro. But I think we will get better more quickly, and I mean back to challenging for the epl, if they all move out.
Cunha and mbueno are ready to be the stars, de ligt can be the captain. Let's get on with it!
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27 Nov 2025 20:31:13
You mean the 10 men Everton team that had 2 shots, one of which was on target and which got a deflection to beat the goalkeeper?
26 Nov 2025 20:43:26
£25m for a 17 year old from a mid level Dutch team who isn't going to solve any of our current issues? It could be good long term business but could equally well be a bust.
24 Aug 2025 13:15:25
Bruno has been the best player in a very average to poor declining team for the last 5 years. As good as he might be/ have been, he's presided over the worst United team since the EPL began. He's being frozen out of his best position by quality team players. He's clearly not in the club or Amorim's longer term plans notwithstanding utterances to the contrary. If he's willing to go the club should jump at the opportunity to cash in. It's all profit. If it's going to happen let's hope it does so quick enough for a genuine #6 to be brought in.
20 Aug 2025 20:20:26
Including the amortization cost of the last 10 months of his contract of about £12m he's going to cost us 80% of his £13m salary. So around £22m in total. You would think most clubs are going to steer clear of a players who has been rejected by United and Chelsea and who, rather than grasp an offer to play football somewhere, would prefer to sit on his arse for the next 10 months. Itv would be worth it for United to sell him for £20m and cover 1/ 2 the remaining salary commitment, but a player who was highly touted, was once considered to be of international quality, can't even command a £20m transfer.
18 Aug 2025 21:27:23
He's probably holding out in the hope that Dortmund will come in with a ridiculously low offer at the last minute.
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15 Dec 2025 18:31:17
Total debt including monies owed to other clubs for transfers is over £1bn. Bank debt was something over £700m at the end of the first Q.
15 Dec 2025 10:41:38
After United went public the debt was down to £400m. Still high but manageable. The Glazers may be greedy and the LBO should never have been allowed, but the fact that total debt is now >£1bn is as a result of incompetent management since the company went public and not the initial loan. The Glazers main sin was appointing a non-football person to run the club and then failing to rectify the situation when it became clear that, beyond selling the club's image, he had no effing idea what he was doing. If, as a result of the money we've spent on transfers we had been winning trophies every season, most of us would not be complaining about the owners and their greed.
As far as being bad businessmen is concerned, the Glazers have already made £1bn + their dividends having invested virtually nothing. They still own nearly 70% of the club and, if I rumour is correct, they have been buying up land around the stadium and now own maybe 40 acres which will be ripe for development. If the stadium investment takes pace along with the rebuilding of the Trafford Park area they will cash in on a big scale.
43-50 years I used to work in a foundry and engineering business on a part of Trafford Park Road that no longer exists. The development around there since then, including of course the Salford Quays, has been incredible. I could not have imagined going back there and visiting the Lowry to see an art exhibition rather than an industrial wasteland. The Glazers may not know anything about how to run a football club - they now have Ineos and its appointees to do that for them - but as far as investing in property and using debt to their advantage they're no mugs.
15 Dec 2025 00:04:05
United's total debt in 2014 after the company went public was as low as £400m, perfectly manageable. The 2 primary reasons the debt is so high today is actually not the LBO, or even the dividends, but managerial incompetence and Covid. If United had bought as wisely and had remained as successful as they were during the Gill/SAF era, the debt would not be what it is today. Ed Woodward will go down in United history as the worst CEO the club has had the misfortune to be run by.
Yes, the Glazers are greedy. Yes, the LBO should never have been allowed, and would not be today. But that said, the worst sin the worst sin the Glazers committed was foisting a know nothing to run United. Be honest, you might still not care for them, but if we were still a great team winning trophies every season, the debt wouldn't bother you.
06 Dec 2025 16:57:12
Who are you calling asses?
It's quite clear that we simply do not have the depth in midfield to control the end of a game. Once Casemiro tires there's no one left who can do his job. So when inevitably the other team pick up the pace in order to get back into the game, we're left with Bruno and either Mainoo or Ugarte, neither of whom has shown any ability to step up and stem the flow through midfield. Amorim's playing with a limited deck and until that's fixed I don't see us maintaining any consistency. Unfortunately it's hard to see us forking out £100k in January, even assuming that the team's the desired midfielders are playing for are willing to sell at all. It's incredibly frustrating.
28 Nov 2025 14:01:34
Too slow for the EPL, frequently has a poor first touch, his lay offs and short passes are often wayward, and he's not a great striker. Decent squad player at best who would do better in the right league, but we would have done better keeping McTominay, who actually has an eye for goal, and playing him further up the field rather than in the McTom role.
even more so with Cunha and Mbuemo in the squad, Having said that Zirkzee will probably get another chance this weekend and I hope he proves me wrong. I know he's been injured but there wasn't much about his performances last year to fill one with any confidence.