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06 Jan 2026 19:06:44
But Telegraph Sport revealed on Monday morning that United’s hierarchy took the decision to dismiss Amorim before Sunday’s draw with Leeds United after the manager “lost it” with Wilcox on Friday morning.
Wilcox had intended the meeting to be a chance to discuss the evolution of the team but when the subject of Amorim’s 3-4-2-1 system – to which he has been wedded – was raised the Portuguese “blew up”, according to sources.
Sources said Amorim’s behaviour had grown increasingly erratic in recent weeks and felt his public outbursts, in which he suggested he was being undermined and hinted at a power struggle with Wilcox and the board, were designed to engineer an exit.
1.) 07 Jan 2026 12:46:19
I hope I am wrong but I think after Amorim had players wanting to play for the club and the team behind him, this is meddling from the board in exactly what Amorim Was employed to do, which is coach the team. That includes setting the formation and style of play. It was coming and we were progressing.
The fallout is clearly over the board changing goalposts from Europe to being Champions League, trying to change the 3 year narrative without the extra investment. It's a rubbish show and this is a disastrous decision and we are back to square 1 yet again.
Look how many players have come out in support of Amorim and clarifying they saw him as their boss and leader. An absolutely terrible ego driven decision based on someone reacting emotionally to being doubted within and abused by Wlcox who openly admits to interfering and believing he's a bteer coach.
This is dreadfully short sighted and utterly incompetent.
2.) 07 Jan 2026 17:19:15
The DOF is perfectly entitled to question what's happening on the pitch without the coach throwing all his toys out of the pram. Rather than act as many of our players have done by going public the correct approach would have been either to arrange for discussions with the rest of the management team, and/or if there were indeed genuine tensions between Wilcox and his colleagues, to let that play out.
In tense situations tensions are quite normal as are disagreements. Mature individuals try to negotiate through them. After all, getting into the Champions League ought to have been the priority not just for the club but also Amorim since doing so would provide more funds for the rebuild. If that required a short term modification of approach a reasonable individual should at least consider being less rigid.
3.) 09 Jan 2026 14:08:03
In truth wilcock must resign. he's a rat like Radcliffe and his pathetic ego has dumped utd into chaos.
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05 Jan 2026 10:38:20
So, the Amorim era is over. Another one bites the dust. Fortunately our PSR problems will be over at the end of this year so the cost of his departure should not impact us. My son will be delighted. Hates the back 3. Besides the holes in midfield it often left Yoro marking a speedy winger which he is clearly not cut out for.
Pity, really. Despite everything we were seeing improvement from last season and I personally would have been okay with waiting to see how we fared after another summer transfer window before judging him. But, as has been pointed out, you can't publicly criticize your superiors and expect to retain your position. Not dissimilar to Ronaldo in a way. It's particularly unforgivable after the club had backed him and defended him against all the criticism and calls for his dismissal. Airing ones dirty laundry in public is far too prevalent in this era of self-importance. It's the Megan Markle syndrome.
1.) 05 Jan 2026 14:28:59
Everyone would agree he was gone after that presser. Shame, I quite liked the guy but didn't like his formation and don't think it got the best out of the squad he has, poor as it is. Seemed to be making progress on standards/culture.
When people talk about playing progress, we are definitely better than last year but I think we're only 2 good buys better (Mbeumo and Cunha) oh and keeper upgrade.
No clue what happens now but definitely not just the manager (coach? ) at fault here.
31 Dec 2025 14:52:29
How many of us were kind of expecting that result or even fearing a loss last night, especially with so many of our primary goal scoring threats and better players out for one reason or another? It could have been worse if we hadn't improved our goalie during the summer. It could have been better if Sesko was an in form striker. Was it the system? Or was it that we were forced to field a team that, if it was the best we had to offer, would be fighting relegation notwithstanding the system? Without Amad, Mount, Bruno, Mbuemo, Mazraoui, Mainoo, De Ligt and (yes) Maguire, what's left of the squad would almost certainly not be good enough to remain an EPL team whoever was the manager and whatever his style.
Let's hope the club can fill a gap or two when the window opens.
28 Dec 2025 15:57:37
Apparently this season Luke Shaw has played more minutes than anyone else in the EPL.
1.) 28 Dec 2025 18:10:02
Must be an england world cup year or something.
2.) 28 Dec 2025 20:26:59
That can't be true, unless his moobs count as two players?
3.) 28 Dec 2025 21:50:29
Think it might be more starts in epl FOR utd than any other player.
4.) 29 Dec 2025 18:38:26
He has played a lot amd been consistent imo. i'm pretty harsh on Shaw but he has done well at lcb and is a solid enough option there but he is infuriating in possession. Slow and negative other than that he has been reliable and a mainstay in the defence.
I don't see it Happening but it would be funny if tuchel called him up. They're are worse than him in the squad imo.
28 Dec 2025 09:18:59
With a weakened squad and, in particular with no Bruno, we hold on for a win and do not concede a goal. If he's out for a month and we go on a run, what would that say? That in the position Amorim needs to play him with Cunha and Mbuemo being first choices, he doesn't have the defensive discipline to hold the team together.
In a great team you cannot be relying on one player alone. Bruno may have become our talisman, but at what cost? That's the unknown. Some have talked of leadership. Does Bruno really have what it takes compared to, say, a tough focused player in the Roy Keane mould, like perhaps Licha? He's a whiner and it's not inspiring. A gifted and creative non possession oriented player under whose leadership we have won virtually nothing and who has gone missing at vital times, like for example in the Europa final last year.
Are we about to begin to see life after Bruno? If we want to become a consistent trophy winning team, his age alone means we need to look to the next midfield era. I think he goes (along with Ugarte and possibly Mainoo - all profit) in the summer to be replaced by one or two of our much talked about targets. I'd rather keep Cas on a much reduced salary for another season as back up for whoever comes in.
1.) 28 Dec 2025 10:25:12
I'm not Bruno's biggest fan but his goals and assist stats are incredible; take him out of the team and there is a big gap to he filled. However, I've never seen him as Captain material, but we have had so few leaders in the team the choice has been limited.
I think playing him as 1 of a midfield 2 always carries a risk and puts too much pressure on his partner. Personally I think he is better in a 3 or playing further forward.
Bruno aside, midfield is where we need to strengthen to get some control and whatever funds we have should be spent there. Cas has been solid this year but struggles to get through 90 minutes, that will just get worse. If we were to sign 2 top top CMs, then it makes selection interesting bit that would be a great step forwards.
2.) 28 Dec 2025 15:37:23
1 game as captain against a poor Newcastle side and all of a sudden Licha is captain material. Says more about the fragile mindset of "United Supporters" than anything about Bruno.
3.) 28 Dec 2025 15:47:45
UA, who else would you have in this squad?
4.) 28 Dec 2025 17:47:06
Ah come on UA, surely you can see Martinez is a leader.
5.) 28 Dec 2025 18:21:04
UA
Never really heard anything negative about Licha except for his injuries. When he came back after long layoff his performance levels weren't up to speed, but rumours were he was playing with pain.
This time they have been extra careful to the point he has been going crazy to get back on the pitch. I hope he stays fit, he is a leader and more importantly his play making from the back is elite. It goes un-noticed but we really missed it when he started with all these injuries.
Until he has played a season without major problems, I will not trust that he can get fully back. Just like shaw to be honest, still waiting for his next relapse. Both talented players. We need talented players that play consistently.
6.) 30 Dec 2025 22:18:39
I think you got your answer, tonight. ?.
23 Dec 2025 08:19:20
So, no Bruno for a month maybe. Newcastle coming up. They're average. Wolves have to be despondent. Leeds looking much improved and then Burnley. If this wasn't United with its history of blown opportunities, one might be thinking of a string of wins, but this is a United without Mbuemo, Amad and now its talismanic captain, as well as both its 2 experienced CBS.
It'll be interesting to see how Amorim sets up without his playmaker. and it will be interesting to see what's left of the squad can achieve without 5 starters for what looks like the next 3 weeks or more. Cas and Licha in midfield? Cunha, Sesko, Mount? Dalot and Dorgu (had a better game v Villa? ) and the same back 3 of Yoro (been disappointing), Heaven (stepped up), and Shaw, who thus far has been pretty good all season. Opportunities to shine?
With a full squad many of us would have been interested to see how we coped without Bruno.
1.) 23 Dec 2025 10:39:47
We are in stage 1 of the 3 stage whole squad rebuild.
We've moved on the players who have no future or were causing issues. We've brought in a a raft of young players who with a bit of luck will be quality squad options in a few years time. We have also bought well last summer helping go a long way to fixing our misfiring front line.
Yet the squad isn't just paper thin, there are clear and obvious weaknesses even when all players are fit and available. When we are missing several key players (and Mbeumo and Amad are easily amongst our best 3 players this season), then of course we will struggle. This is when we get to see what Amorim can do when his hands are totally tied behind his back.
On the evidence of the Villa game I'm actually fairly pleased with what I saw. We were the better team across the game and were unlucky to lose. That's away against a team that had won 9 games on the bounce going into that match, while we were robbed of our best three players this season due to the AFCON and a suspension. To be the better team in those circumstances was very impressive, and for me a sign that we are on the right path.
Just to have a great first 11 we still need at least 4 more likely 5 new players (two midfielders, two CB's and a wingback), let alone adding squad depth right across the team to allow for injuries, suspensions, rotation and to add competition for places.
Stage 2 is next summer, where hopefully we add the remaining 5 players or so that we need to finish rebuilding the first 11. Then stage 3 summer 2027/28 adding quality squad depth and competition for places both through signings and hopefully having some of the younger players we've added to the academy be ready to step up and really start to fight for places in the first team.
Without a doubt this period while the AFCON is on was always going to be the toughest run of the season, adding the unfortunate injury to Bruno only makes this run harder.
We need to temper our expectations and not let our hearts rule out heads as there will be disappointing results and probably performances during this spell. We need to make sure we don't get overly emotional, abandoning logic and common sense. We need to not give in to the hyperbole that the media will try and stoke after every bad result, and stand by our club and our manager, who is about to face an impossible task. Remember to apply the context, and manage those expectations, I know it's Christmas but don't go expecting miracles.
2.) 23 Dec 2025 10:43:12
I wouldn't underestimate Newcastle. I think they will beat Utd on boxing day.
3.) 23 Dec 2025 10:14:20
Realistically this is going to be a tough period with the players at Afcon, still missing De Ligt and Maguire and now Fernandes. However, I am actually looking forward to seeing some of the other players stepping up and getting a chance. Whether it will be Mainoo (who knows what is actually going on! ), Licha stepping into the midfield or the youth players gettimh more game time it could be a real opportunity to assess what we have actually got in the squad.
Whilst we did not get the result against Villa there were definite signs of progression and we just need to be more clinical up front and eradicate the odd individual errors.
All part of the progression this year. with its ups and downs.
4.) 23 Dec 2025 16:09:24
Mainoo Gets his chance now be Bruno is finally injured and gets injured himself.
This is his Utd career chance. Get fit and take it or he’s gone.
5.) 23 Dec 2025 17:25:28
Shappys spot on here.
There are positives and probably the most frustrating thing. We’re close but not there and probably lacking talent to execute this system.
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07 Jan 2026 17:19:15
The DOF is perfectly entitled to question what's happening on the pitch without the coach throwing all his toys out of the pram. Rather than act as many of our players have done by going public the correct approach would have been either to arrange for discussions with the rest of the management team, and/or if there were indeed genuine tensions between Wilcox and his colleagues, to let that play out.
In tense situations tensions are quite normal as are disagreements. Mature individuals try to negotiate through them. After all, getting into the Champions League ought to have been the priority not just for the club but also Amorim since doing so would provide more funds for the rebuild. If that required a short term modification of approach a reasonable individual should at least consider being less rigid.
27 Nov 2025 20:31:13
You mean the 10 men Everton team that had 2 shots, one of which was on target and which got a deflection to beat the goalkeeper?
26 Nov 2025 20:43:26
£25m for a 17 year old from a mid level Dutch team who isn't going to solve any of our current issues? It could be good long term business but could equally well be a bust.
24 Aug 2025 13:15:25
Bruno has been the best player in a very average to poor declining team for the last 5 years. As good as he might be/ have been, he's presided over the worst United team since the EPL began. He's being frozen out of his best position by quality team players. He's clearly not in the club or Amorim's longer term plans notwithstanding utterances to the contrary. If he's willing to go the club should jump at the opportunity to cash in. It's all profit. If it's going to happen let's hope it does so quick enough for a genuine #6 to be brought in.
20 Aug 2025 20:20:26
Including the amortization cost of the last 10 months of his contract of about £12m he's going to cost us 80% of his £13m salary. So around £22m in total. You would think most clubs are going to steer clear of a players who has been rejected by United and Chelsea and who, rather than grasp an offer to play football somewhere, would prefer to sit on his arse for the next 10 months. Itv would be worth it for United to sell him for £20m and cover 1/ 2 the remaining salary commitment, but a player who was highly touted, was once considered to be of international quality, can't even command a £20m transfer.
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09 Jan 2026 17:42:24
I supported Amorim all the way. He did a lot of good things. But in the end he had to go. If it's true that he threw this hissy fit simply because Wilcox was questioning the suitability of 3-4-3 at the current moment in time when points are critical to the clubs future revenues and thus the capacity to afford the types of players Amorim needed, then he was totally out of line. Anyone could see that his system had its frailties, leaving holes in midfield and often leaving CBs to mark wingers far pacier than them. There was no indication that the club was asking him to change his system over the long haul. He surely knew that it was a long term project and that the club is hard up for cash. Quite frankly I thought his outburst was the height of immaturity.
It's clear that he's extremely arrogant and devoid of pragmatism. He may end up coaching back in the Portuguese league and doing well. But in the EPL his record speaks for itself. There have been improvements for sure, and many of us were quite prepared to see him have the opportunity to coach a more tailored squad. But, no, he acted like a spoilt impatient brat.
As for the management team I disagree with much of the criticism. They acquired some excellent players. Mbuemo, Cunha and Lammens all look good. Dorgu has actually been playing much better and scored a great goal and made two truly excellent crosses for goals of late. I have a suspicion that we will actually do better in a 4 at the back formation. It should play to Shaw's strengths and cover Yoro's weaknesses.
It may be difficult over the next few months but with the right acquisitions in the summer the next manager should have an excellent opportunity to succeed. It could have been Amorim, but he chose to fire himself, and leave United with a record that will be looked back on as a failure.
06 Jan 2026 18:59:50
I agree Red Man, but only up to a point. We are in a much better position than last year, but, frankly we should be even better off.
I also like the fact that Amorim was not afraid to speak out, but surely he must have been aware how important it is for the club to get back into Europe. We are not in a strong cash position. PSR may be on the way out, but we're still seriously over-leveraged. So extra revenues are essential for the club's finances if we want to be in competition to sign the best players, the ones he needed The fact that he would not modify his approach seemed to me to be a case of cutting off his nose to spite his face, an extremely arrogant approach full of an excess of self-importance. And then to criticize his employers publicly was completely out of order, whether or not what he said was true or not.
I think most of us fans have been realistic and didn't expect us to be competing for the title in year 1. We are prepared to be patient. to a degree. The coach/manager should be thinking the same way, and not having a public hissy fit because he can't get his own way immediately. It's unfortunate, but he had to go.
06 Jan 2026 18:42:16
Casemiro is out of contract. He will probably move on. He will only be re-signed if he accepts a much reduced salary, and probably just for one year. Either way the cost of employing him will go down from >£30m to.
06 Jan 2026 11:24:38
Perhaps the Glazers didn't want to sell the whole business, unless someone was going to come up with their asking price of £6bn, which no one was. Perhaps they wanted to stay in to ensure that their property investments in the surrounding area were not jeopardized by a new United owner going in a direction that did not advantage them.
Whether its true or not, I read that United were extremely close to breaching PSR in ETH's last full season and that the cost of firing him at the end of it would have put them over the limit. Before he came on board ETH was rated extremely highly by a number of contributors to this site. And, despite everything else he did actually manage to win a couple of trophies. Even at the end of his last season there were people who felt he'd done enough to get an extra year, despite the fact that during his period in charge the club made some disastrous purchases, which I think is why SJR tried to set up a new regime that would have a coach rather than a manager at the head of the team, i.e someone who had an advisory role but no ultimate say on incomings and outgoings.
The way the club had been run up until SJR's team took over has been well documented and needs no further elaboration. Clearly Berada and his team did not do as much due diligence as they should have done before hiring Amorim. I think they believed him to be the new Mourinho. Unfortunately after years of wasteful spending United no longer has the financial strength to undertake a full squad restructuring in a. single season - choices had to be made - Cunha and Mbuemo were doable deals and were completed. The amount of time it took is neither here nor there. None of us know why it took as long as it did. Lammens looks like a good signing. Dorgu has improved. Sesko looks like a bit of a clunker. We managed to get rid of all our dead wood at least for a season. It wasn't a perfect summer window but it was an improvement on the last decade.
So, Amorim had been given half of what he needed. We all know he needed a midfield fix. We haven't bought a top class long term DM since Carrick. In the end, however, football is a cooperative venture from owners, down through the manager/coach, the players and staff. What is glaringly apparent now is that Amorim is an extremely arrogant and rather immature man who has little to no ability to compromise, or to hold his tongue. The fact that he was prepared to call out his employers in public even though he must surely have known well in advance that few if any funds would be available this January, and that management was dead set on not buying over priced long term second best players to fill a short term need, which is to say, not repeating the sins of the past decade or more, was appallingly injudicious.
Clearly Berada and his team believe that this squad, without additions, and with a light program should be capable of being in the top 5/6, but to do that the coach needs to be flexible and not demand the team play the same system even when its clearly exposing certain players' weaknesses. Yoro is a good example. He's a CB, but he's not the quickest of players. Leaving him to mark speedy wingers is a mistake and it's cost us points.
Now personally I don't think switching to a back 4 will create too many if any problems. Shaw, Dalot and Mazraoui are natural full backs. Shaw is actually quite good going forward and has a decent cross but playing in a back 3 has removed that potential from his game. Even without any new signings with Cas, Bruno, Mainoo, maybe Mount and Ugarte we should have enough to cope for the rest of this season. And then we have Cunha, Mbuemo and Amad all of whom are capable of creating and scoring goals. and have been doing so. If this is obvious to me then it will have been obvious to the board and it should have been obvious to Amorim too, which brings us back to the two main problems. The board failed to do due diligence and Amorim's inflexibility and arrogance. If a coach is so wedded to his system that he's prepared to risk success and the profits that come with that, making the acquisition of the players he needs as the team evolves less likely due to lack of funds, then his arrogance is a major flaw. and one that the club could no longer afford to humor.
05 Jan 2026 00:01:12
After 19 games last season we were 14th with 22 points. We're currently 6th.
The new management team has made at least 3 good purchases in Mbuemo, Cunha and Lammens. Sesko (who many people tapped on this site) may not make it, but then what CF has made it at United since RVP? They got rid of ETH and might have done it sooner had they not been concerned that the cost of doing so at the end of the season would put them in breach of PSR.
The current management team is not responsible for the enormous debt which, including amounts owed on transfers, is >£1bn and they're not responsible for the PSR dilemma the club has been in which has forced them to limit the speed with which they can acquire new players. They've also made the best of a bad job offloading Hojlund (who will be bought in the summer), Sancho (whose disastrous contract will end), Rashford (who hopefully will be bought) and Onana (Keeping fingers crossed he'll be sold) on loan and selling Anthony. Quite frankly they've been operating with their hands tied behind their back.
Do you really think other owners are not in it for profit? Of course they are. Football clubs are businesses. And the plain fact is that success on the pitch, getting into the Champions League etc boosts income and profits, so of course they're interested in winning, even if it's for the wrong reasons.
Have they made mistakes? Yes. Is Amorim the right man? It remains to be seen. But to my mind they've accomplish a hell of a lot in a quite a short time including having to deal with the unpleasant task of dealing with the ridiculously bloated payroll. Give it another summer transfer window and let's see where we are in 12 months time.