Manchester United banter 5

03 Oct 2025 23:35:54
Good draw by the women v Chelsea. The club has come under further criticism for letting senior players leave or being unable to stop them doing so, but the team has continued to improve nonetheless.

04 Oct 2025 10:23:54
They are excellent so far this season. Watched a few games and been very impressed. Long may it continue.

03 Oct 2025 20:03:05
Peter Crouch to Gary Oldman: " What would you rather, Man Utd winning the treble again, or getting another Oscar? "

Gary O: "That's not fair. " and then after some thought "United winning the treble. "

Peter C: "There's more chance of me winning an Oscar. ".

03 Oct 2025 21:37:02
They said that in 1990.9 years later. bang. unfortunately tree will never win anything or get an Oscar.

03 Oct 2025 22:29:35
Man Utd senior management

“ We will be challenging for the title in 2028”

Aye, to be promoted back to the EPL at this rate!

04 Oct 2025 00:23:43
We will be challenging for the title in the 2027/ 28 season, without any doubt.

03 Oct 2025 20:07:33
All this system talk, unless you can pass a ball, defend with your team and work hard with and without the ball systems don't matter.

03 Oct 2025 20:53:41
I think it’s simplistic to discount the system.

Most players need a simple set of instructions to operate at their best. It’s why Ferguson was so successful, each player had a clearly defined role and responsibilities. With some of the more gifted players given a bit more freedom.

Amorim’s system demands a lot of players. Take the midfield, for example. They are required to build play from the back, join the attack when in possession, press from the front, and cover space when the wide centre backs have pushed up. This necessitates a combination of athleticism and excellent positional awareness. As we have seen, none of our current midfield players are capable of doing this, and that’s a big part of the reason teams can drive right through the centre of the pitch against us.

The biggest issue is that Amorim’s system doesn’t leave a lot of room for errors. If a player loses concentration, or makes a mistake, there is often a complete lack of cover. This is why we are seeing other times invite United forward to attack. They know that we will make mistakes that can be easily punished.

Amorim excelled in Portugal because Sporting were the best team. They could afford to push forward, knowing that they always had enough attacking threat to dominate opponents.

United is a very different situation. Our squad is not the best in the league, it’s average at best, and our attacking threat is easily blunted by compact defences. There are definitely issues with the players’ concentration and effort in certain games. But there is a bigger problem with our players simply not being good enough to win using a system designed for a dominant team.

By now Amorim should realise that a more pragmatic approach is needed. One that recognises the limitations of our squad, and focuses on wining matches, rather than clinging to a system and instructions they are not equipped to execute.

03 Oct 2025 18:40:36
Like I said.

Sh*t ingredients sh*t meal

Roy Keane:

“Everyone blames the system. but Palace are in top 4 with the same one. Utd even got better players on paper. Pep shove lads out of position and still win. Fergie threw Park at RB and he dropped a 10/ 10. Excuses? Rubbish. it's mentality. ”.

03 Oct 2025 18:55:24
Fergie turned Valencia and Young into defenders, that still baffles me to this day.

03 Oct 2025 18:35:43
8 and sometimes 9 out of the 11 are the same players that were playing the 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 last season and season prior to that.

Do people have short term memories here? I can understand the frustration with the results and i am as frustrated as everyone here but how people want him sacked because of the formation is beyond me. Atleast he has the balls to stick to his preferred system/ formation unlike several on here who flip every 6 months wanting the manager sacked. Just get the manager sacked for a couple of good results and then rinse repeat after 6 months. Suffer now to have a future or keep repeating the cycle.

03 Oct 2025 18:59:32
We have replaced the forwards but are still struggling to score, not sure I can understand why that is happening.

Cunha is doing his best Garnacho impressions and not passing, Mbeumo has been brilliant, Sesko is he best running at goal, knocking in crosses, how should we be playing to get the best out of him.

I think we can all agree UA that Bruno in the pivot doesn’t work, he needs to play up front where he can be most effective.

03 Oct 2025 19:46:06
The season before that… we won the FA cup. We’ve just been knocked out the carabou at the first hurdle.

It’s not the formation or system. It’s his total inability to get this team to be competitive. I’m not talking competitive in a title race, I’m talking competitive in a match.

03 Oct 2025 20:04:42
The way some people post on here, you’d think fans were being “toxic” just for not wanting to keep our worst manager since Ferguson — as if we actually enjoy watching us get beat week after week.

It’s laughable. Wanting standards, demanding improvement, and calling things as they are isn’t toxic — it’s what supporters should do.

Some fans don’t have the stomach to call a spoon a spoon — and honestly, it’s time someone did.

Amorim has had nearly 12 months now with this squad, and still there’s no clear improvement in players. The talk is always about some mystical “system, ” but 3-4-2-1 is just a formation — not a style. What is our system? What is our identity? Because in every match I watch, players seem unsure of what to do in many phases — that’s down to coaching and structure, not just “execution. ”

I reject the “he doesn’t have the right players” line. These are all Premier League players, many with high-level experience. After a year under his methods, they should be better, more flexible, more tactically aware. If not, that points squarely at coaching.

And while people love to quote “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results” when it comes to sacking managers, has anyone stopped to consider that it applies just as much to Amorim? He keeps persisting with the same approach, the same “system, ” and the same patterns of failure — expecting it to suddenly click. At what point do we admit that the method itself might be the problem?

04 Oct 2025 00:26:54
The can lead horses to water Kurtis.

Some of these players are genuinely incapable of player ANY system. They have proven this time and time again for several managers.

It baffles me that people do not see this and continue to throw countless . managers under the bus.

04 Oct 2025 05:29:57
jimbo

why are these so called useless players seem to excel/ do very well when they leave the place and no one calls them the names we do. the manager is poor mate, you cannot defend a guy who has amassed 1 point a game from 34 league games. ridiculous stuff. he is just a bad hire and a poor manager.

I posted earlier we can sell 10 more and buy 10 more under this guy and we will achieve nothing. No decent manager does not adapt. This guy just does not know how to adapt or what to do when his system is not working. Its always the other managers making the right moves.

04 Oct 2025 07:29:48
Great post Kurtis. We are all exhausted with the revolving door of Managers, but RA's record is shocking, farv far worse than any of us could have imagined. I

It's all a bit odd. We have McT becoming player of the year in Italy, Hojlund now scoring, Antony doing really well in Spain, and even Rashford looks like he has woken up. There is clearly something deeply wrong at United, I'm lost trying to figure out what it is.

04 Oct 2025 07:33:52
SPOT ON UNITED ADDICT.

04 Oct 2025 11:01:23
The man picks Maguire and Shaw instead of Yoro and Heaven, the man then makes defensive substitutions when we are losing. The man is incompetent and if he stays, we will never improve. Every player that has left is doing much better, so it is safe to assume, Amorim is the destroyer of talent. He needs to be pushed out.

03 Oct 2025 13:59:11
RA "when you look at the matches we've lost, I don't think we've lost because of the system"

Some may agree with that, others might not. But going by his own words then he isn't for making any changes, so get that idea out of your head.

03 Oct 2025 14:35:10
It is absolutely the system. let's add delusion to his manager traits.

03 Oct 2025 14:44:31
Amorim is so entrenched in the belief that changing means failure, that he’d rather sink into delusion than try anything different.

It’s true that a lot of the goals his teams have conceded result from individual errors. However, these errors can be punished and exploited due to the obvious weaknesses in his system.

At this point, I’m done with him. A coach unwilling to learn and adapt is never going to make it at the top level.

03 Oct 2025 15:38:24
He wants his players to change and adapt but he doesn't want to do same .

03 Oct 2025 15:40:50
And a club with fans who have the patience of a goldfish coupled with a media army desperate for the next man utd story to sell their papers are never going to make it back to the top level.

We are stuck in a self destructive cycle, at some point we have to plot a course out of it. Or we can just sack managers every 9 months and look forward to winning the championship. No not that one. The actual championship.

03 Oct 2025 15:52:58
Dodgy, I would love for Amorim to succeed, but he’s going out every week doing the same thing, losing, and still refusing to try something different. Giving him more time won’t change anything. His style of play is just too predictable, and too easy to exploit. It’s a question of sticking with this, or the directors admitting that they made a mistake hiring him.

03 Oct 2025 17:05:40
It doesn’t matter what system we play. If the players aren’t willing to fight, the results will stay the same. But that doesn’t really matter at this point. Amorim is as good as gone.

03 Oct 2025 17:15:20
Any system/ formation is irrelevant if you get, anxious players, lack of team ethic, lack a of intensity from a few, lack of controlled aggression. individual errors and players who can't follow instuction and remain focused for the whole time they are on the pitch. Formations and pods are all variable depending on with/ without ball, where on the pitch the play is, spacing between players, pods of 3 or 4 players, straight lines, diagonals.
The players need to know where they need to be in any particular situation. Amorim's formation probably rely's on one of the FB's joing the midfield 2 at any one time or one of (or both) number 10's joining the midfield 2 and it isn't fluid. It should'nt be complicated, just some individuals need to know what they are doing.

03 Oct 2025 19:53:27
Dodgy, maybe the next manager will be competent enough to change the results on the pitch.
We have had 2 managers in ETH and Amorim, who’ve looked promising, judging by their work with their previous team, and have totally flopped for one reason or another.

I absolutely 100% want one of these to succeed but there’s no point pretending that Amorim is going to suddenly have this team competing.

He and his coaching staff are way off what’s required in the PL unfortunately.

04 Oct 2025 01:51:37
I am frustrated as anyone about bruno in midfield pivot, mcguire, dalot, shaw, casemiro, beyinder.

I hope he starts to play youth / new team and starts to build the future. I think some would have more patience watching yoro, heaven, mainoo and co trying to gel into a new team. But watching the same old squad of old losing away to average teams is enough to burn his future.

I can't see a way back for him now. Too much damage done last season and by not buying a special-ist rb and a midfielder. But I also think we would be better off quicker if we just played young players and built for the future and gave him time. He has the wrong players now. So change the players.

04 Oct 2025 10:29:02
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Does it have to be just the players? is it just the manager? Why can’t it be both? Just because we’ve had a number of failed managers doesn’t mean we should stick with this one, maybe he’s not right either. The evidence mounting up would suggest so. I hope he succeeds like many others on here but it’s not trending that way and his stubbornness to even admit any culpability isn’t helping. Seems he now doesn’t want to change incase it does work and he’ll have to admit it was his system after all.

03 Oct 2025 10:59:31


Shappy has written an article entitled, Is Bruno Fernandes Holding Manchester United Back?

03 Oct 2025 11:48:02
I don't think I've seen a more passionate player towards his club in recent years, and he's probably the best post-Fergie signing. His impact in his first season was sensational.
BUT. at some point the manager/ coaching team/ player have concocted this scenario where it was ok to sign two brilliant no.10s with Bruno moving back. With the estimate £100m+ we could have got for him, we could have bought a transformative player for that position. He can't do it. I'd rather see him in his no.10 role with Sesko dropped and one of the other pair moved forward.
I think he goes either in the winter window if things don't improve dramatically by then, if not certainly summer. Whether Amorim will be around to see it happen is unclear. Seems unlikely.

03 Oct 2025 11:51:29
Good article, Shappy. I have to agree with it. Well, I don't have to, but I do agree sadly.

03 Oct 2025 13:24:42
If he could be sold this January and use the money to buy Wharton? Play him alongside Mainoo? Buy a top goalie in the summer if Sienne doesn’t work out?
Wing backs?
Wharton would be a fantastic purchase.

03 Oct 2025 14:52:36
Playing with a 4-2-3-1 could get us into 5th or 6th place.

Then do it.

It isn’t sustainable.

Well, neither is hovering above the relegation zone.

This is exactly why Amorim’s lack of pragmatism is toxic. With the players the club has at present, they have more chance of winning games by playing a different system. Yet, Amorim thinks that being pragmatic is worse than continuing to play losing football.

At this point, Amorim isn’t building for the future, he should be fighting to save his job. If that necessitates playing a 4-2-3-1 for the rest of the season, any competent coach would do it. Bruno can be addressed next summer, for now, all that matters is winning games and climbing out of the bottom half of the table.

03 Oct 2025 15:12:27
Totally agree with Bruno being our best buy for a long time, unfortunately for him it came at a point when we struggled for consistency and a set manager that would have taken us to greater heights.

It would appear from the outside that the club let there hearts lead and with all the negative press around the decisions being made did not want to force Bruno out and gave him the choice, as a fan of the club he did what we all would probably do but that in the long run (or short as it turns out) is not the best for the club.

I think we need to push him forward into one of the attacking roles even if that means he is in a rotation with Cunha/ Mbeumo/ Mount and even starts from the bench in games. He would definitely add value but best to use him maybe more sparingly. This would also give the opportunity to see what Mainoo can do over the next few months either alongside Casimero, Ugarte or new HM

Going forward we need be planning for January (if funds available) and definitely next summer to bring in 2 new midfielders for these positions. unless Mainoo can show significant growth in this area.

If Amorim lasts then I definitely think Wharton/ Baleba would be the ideal. If he does not then it throws up the best suited players.

03 Oct 2025 15:25:24
I think the issue is Bruno doesn’t fit in Amorim’s system.

If I’m picking between the two I’m with Bruno.

But I see the argument in selling Bruno to fund new players.

03 Oct 2025 17:42:46
How many more players need to get get sold because they don't fit the system.

03 Oct 2025 18:31:06
Five.

03 Oct 2025 19:13:36
I love the argument that only if we sold bruno things will get fixed as he is the problem for this wonderful system not working. First of all amorim plays him every week so he does not seem to agree.

Trust me we can sell bruno tomm and nothing will change with amorim and then its blaming the next player and only if we could get rid of this one or that one. soon there will be no one left but the kitman.

03 Oct 2025 19:19:23
These players, the majority, don't win games, no matter the system.
Think tail end of Eth, same players
Start of Amorim, same players
Currently, same players

We are a year away from our fortunes changing, no matter the coach/ system or otherwise. Deal with it how you will.

03 Oct 2025 19:20:05
Banjoe, it's not just a out fitting the system though is it.

To get the best out of Bruno you need to give him a free role, yet no top club who will seriously challenge for major honours can afford to give a player a free role and build around them.

So if we want to be serious title contenders then we either have find a role for Bruno that doesn't mean building around him (which will require him to adapt his game in some way), or we move him on and build a team without him.

The problem is that we have pretty much cleared out all of the players who either weren't performing and rarely have, or who were a problem in some other way. We are now at the point where to move forward we have to start cutting away players who haven't been an off the field issue, or have shown at times that they can be good/ useful players for us.

03 Oct 2025 22:06:28
Just play our best player in his best position. Can't hurt.

04 Oct 2025 05:38:42
Noucamp99

That would be too much to ask and the next question is why did we buy two more 10s and can argue amad can play there too.

The next guy who is going to get the blame and sold is probably Amad after Bruno. I say keep the players and sell the manager and get someone in who knows how to set up a team and win games.

The fact that poeple are rightfully nervous with Sunderland coming to OT is just ridiculous and how low have we fallen.

We will huff and puff and win this game imo. After the break he will have his ass handed to him in quite a few a games imo and that's the end of him unless he does a massive u turn on how we are set up.

02 Oct 2025 23:02:19
Not UTD related but Manager related

So Forest played some great football last season and the owner and nuno had beef and he was shipped.

I watched Forest under Ange tonight and if ever there was a case to say a manager can affect players drastically by asking them to play out of their comfort zones.! This was black and white!

They looked like rabbits in headlights as the danish team ( yes they are good ) ran through them. then 16 mins left throw on Woods who changes the game and the players attitude.

AUSSIE ANGE has I.M.P.O took forest backwards.

03 Oct 2025 03:09:26
Glass houses!

03 Oct 2025 03:27:17
But I cannot disagree. I want him to do well though.

03 Oct 2025 09:42:05
him and amorim are the same. they are likeable but not good managers.

03 Oct 2025 09:46:40
One of my friends is a life long Forest fan, he likens our situation to Forest under Clough and after Clough, I think it is hard to disagree.

He isn’t in the Ange out brigade, he is more perplexed how the situation between the owner and previous manager has been allowed to escalate, two alpha males going at it and the club suffering as a result.

03 Oct 2025 09:50:02
Talk of him being sacked next week…. marinakis doesn’t hang around!

03 Oct 2025 10:26:23
He'll be lucky to simply get sacked and live. Marinakis looks like he could eat a whole one!

03 Oct 2025 10:26:35
The whole thing at Forest just highlights the issues that are created when owners get too involved in the running of the club.

Anyone who has watched EPL football over the past couple of years could see a mile off the problems with going from a manager like Nuno with his very defensive approach that had been drilled into a set of players and a squad built to play that way, to a ultra attacking manager like Ange.

You probably couldn't find two managers with such polar opposite approaches to football as Ange and Nuno.

The only reason I can see for why Forest hired Ange after sacking Nuno was out of spite to try and prove Nuno wrong by hiring a guy who is his exact opposite.

Simply they don't have the squad for Ange to be successful, and they will need a massive overhaul to even stand a chance. Which is something they can't do with the window shut.

03 Oct 2025 11:38:14
I hope they don't sack Ange next week, he could end up at OT if Anorim goes after the next few games!

03 Oct 2025 12:30:43
A bit like hiring Amorim isn’t it Shappy?

03 Oct 2025 13:47:51
Trueredman, very different context. Nottingham Forest had built a team around what Nuno wanted and have just had their most successful season in over 50 years.

United had a Frankenstein squad that had absolutely no identity or style, with there not really even being enough players to play ANY style successfully enough to be where they should be. The United team wasn't built to play any particular style, it needed totally dismantling and being rebuilt from the ground up.

At that point United had two choices, hire a manager who is adaptable and will try to play to his players strengths. This sort of manager will get better results in the short term, but will make rebuilding the team in the long-term harder and potentially take longer. As they don't have a clear style to recruit for, while they are more likely to keep players who don't fit their ideal style of play as they offer a different option. Meaning you don't shift players out as quickly either.

Or option B, hire a manager who has a very clear and defined playing style that matches how the club want to play moving forward. Someone who isn't going to be as flexible as they mould the squad to suit that style of play. They will be more ruthless with cutting players who don't suit that way of playing. Which means you suffer more in the short-term in the way of results, but hopefully you rebuild your squad quicker in the image that you want.

Whether it was Amorim, or any other manager (like Ange) who has a very distinctive way of playing we would be suffering the same now.

Only if they went the other route of a Thomas Frank or Oliver Glasner type of manager would we have seen different results by this point. The trade off is that players like Rashford and Antony would probably still be here and our summer recruitment would have looked different, maybe better in some ways, but just as likely it could have been worse. Without a clear style of play and while trying to fit all our best players into the team we would have likely looked for very different players.

The club have chosen a course, it was a course that was always going to be tougher to start with but better long-term, and likely to actually get us to a place where we can actually compete sooner rather than later (2-3 years rather than 4-5). They need to stick the course and break the media stranglehold on our club. For too long our club have allowed the media to set the narrative and ultimately dictate when the club hires and fires managers.

03 Oct 2025 13:57:58
Fizz

Now that made me laugh :)

03 Oct 2025 14:04:33
shappy

You can't be serious. Amorim is a poor manager imo and we can buy another 10 players and will still suck under him. Everyone knows how to play us. he has zero guile in terms of how to manage a game from substitutions to tactical changes. fish out of water and not for the pl.

03 Oct 2025 14:15:43
let's be clear every manger since fergie got the boot when we finished outside top 4/ 5. People are trying to defend a guy who had us finish 15th and we look like we may do worse this year after spending 220 mill. This is not remotely comparable to other managers.

Amorim is the first manager since Fergie that I am actually embarrassed by as there seems to be no end to poor results. sure we had bad results under other mangers but nothing like this. I was not aware of the fact that we have never won two league games in a row under him. Its a joke and enough is enough. The bar with this guy is so low but he still can't get over it. Keep making excuses for him.

Athletic article saying if we lose to Sunderland tomm Amorim is safe. Its ridiculous and offensive as a fan to allow this to go on.

03 Oct 2025 15:27:57
Tbf Forest have had a number of managers and Nuno didn’t get to sign a new team.

They bought well. Ange is bad appointment.

Amorim is a great guy but as Ahmad says he’s predictable and has had time and money.

02 Oct 2025 07:39:03
{Ed's Note - RedWolverine has posted a new article entitled, It Will Work Out In The End For Liverpool FC

01 Oct 2025 22:28:40
Brace for Hojlund KDB maybe making him a bargain buy! Rashford also playing great
Whats that say for Utd. I've been having a talk with a friend who studys every match very intense

He should me a video snippet of chances of how simple passes from bruno could set players on a 1v1! however sends it too far to the left and dashes into the box? Why when a simple pass straight is 1 on 1 is it intentional to try get the goal himself
Its not just bruno but others also.

01 Oct 2025 22:59:00
KDB would improve every striker with the service he provides. Legs may have gone, but his technical ability and vision haven't.

Very fitting Hojlund did it against Sporting though.

02 Oct 2025 07:41:50
It pains me to see players we had consistently do it at other clubs. Rashford was brilliant yesterday. Hojlund with 2 goals, shock, horror, the ball played in front of him and football played to his strengths.

02 Oct 2025 08:54:19
Yeah, it's a shame EtH never seemed to want to play to his strengths because I always thought Hojlund was a decent player.

02 Oct 2025 09:01:49
He was decent, and would have been better with coaching and another striker to support.

Instead we’ve now just replaced him with another young striker, who also has no support or supply.

Utter madness.

That being said, KDB is class. One of the best players to have graced our league.

02 Oct 2025 09:12:37
Careful dropping Bruno negatives. The Fan Bois will be along soon.

02 Oct 2025 10:23:47
If we renamed the club to FC Bomb Squad, would we play better and win more games?

02 Oct 2025 10:26:09
eth was a better manager than this fraud of a manager. This boy has made everyone look bad and getting away with murder.

02 Oct 2025 14:34:40
Agreed Shashank.

02 Oct 2025 16:49:12
I did not like ETH by any means but RA makes ETH look like Pep….

02 Oct 2025 20:58:43
I think that's just the hair style.