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22 Feb 2021 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

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21 Feb 2021 23:03:35
Thought we were very poor again tonight, Maguire was again very bad, once put under any pressure he either passes to a player being marked closely or hits a long wasteful ball. We don't have the players to play out from the back when a high press come on, but we just persist, putting ourselves under pressure. Bright note again tonight was Shaw, really pushing forward and offering options on the left. If Ole has to play Matic, l would suggest, when in possession, we alter to a back three with Matic dropping into the centre and pushing the full backs right up to stay wide when our wide men are cutting in constantly. It's the only way to stretch the defensive teams, if Ole insists on playing two holding midfielders.

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22 Feb 2021 08:33:30
I thought Matic was excellent last night, particularly in the first half when there wasn’t much to talk about. Shaw again was very good, he’s probably been our best player this year so far.

22 Feb 2021 10:13:03
Saw a great start the other day for the top ten players in the EPL for xA (expected Assists), Shaw was 9th in the league and the only defender in the top ten.

The list was: KDB, Grealish, Bruno, Raphinha, Mahrez, Rodriguez, Foden, Kane, Shaw and Mount.

22 Feb 2021 11:20:55
Must agree on Matic wazza. He was the only one recognising the quick switch was on to James all game. Still plenty to offer if he’s managed well.

22 Feb 2021 11:54:54
We looked disjointed for almost the entire match. Martial was disinterested to make any runs.

Weekend's game against Chelsea is a crucial one for us.

22 Feb 2021 12:23:06
Dublin and Shearer picked up on these points on MOTD, particularly praising Matic and tackling the Martial debate. His player map and the numerous examples highlighted showed that for a player who deems CF to be his best position, he always reverts out the wing, even when there were 2-3 other players there and there was no-one in the box. Seems like such basic positional awareness is lacking and his demeanor never gives the impression he is even interested let alone motivated. Compare him to a proper CF like Cavani and it highlights the need to look ahead for when he moves on. People will point at Hugill and Shoretire who will be physically stronger by next summer, and Greenwood, but I still don't see him in that position.

22 Feb 2021 13:11:02
Martial works in a front 3 of Rashford, him and Greenwood if they can rotate positions. However not sure how they manage that in game when not in possession as who has the responsibility for covering?

21 Feb 2021 21:35:59
A game of 2 halves, an ugly first 45 and a much more assured second 45.

Not much to say about that game, Rashford looked livelier, as did Dan James and Martial once against n added very little other than 1 shot.

I’m looking forward to the bigger games coming up, we seem to struggle more against smaller teams, if we can beat Chelsea I think top 4 will look very likely. Most teams are dropping points, Leicester are on a good run, City are on fire, and whilst West Ham are currently 4th I don’t see them sustaining it.

Arsenal and Spurs are too far behind, as are Liverpool probably, not necessarily for top 4 but to catch us. Everton are the outside bet but I see City, us, Chelsea and Leicester taking the top 4 spots.

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21 Feb 2021 21:53:23
Don't rule out Liverpool just yet, its only 9 points.

21 Feb 2021 21:55:33
Fairplay to james, thought he had a poor first half but made up for it with the goal. If him playing on the right means we can keep rashford in his best position on the left, ill take that.

Pogba and cavani will be back soon hopefully for the run in.

I think liverpool will still find a way to get into the top 4 probably at the expense of chelsea.

21 Feb 2021 22:04:58
Big gap now to both Chelsea and Liverpool. We need to lose 3 more games than them. Big game next week. Lose and we are in danger of being sucked into a fight. Win and we look strong faves to secure top 4 imo.
Like you ajh I enjoyed the 2nd half.
A bit more pace in our play. Magic although his legs are going drives the team forward and passes forward better than fred or mctom from that defensive midfield role.
Martial with goals I could sort of put up with but martial minus the goals is just bad for the eyes.
Pleased for James. He liked lively. Shaw was again superb and has been all season. Looks fit and strong.
In my opinion there is a good team there bursting to get out.

21 Feb 2021 22:10:15
I think James offered quite a bit from the right, he looked like an actual winger, which was nice.

Cavani would have probably had a field day, although in fairness to AM there was one time James failed to get the cross in where AM had got across his man, and would have probably scored a tap in.

Fantastic result today. Playing after Thurs night away in europe is tough, and against a team that has that pace on the break was a good solid win.

I'm enjoying watching us this season. We are in a good place and a good solid run in will be a good progressive season for this team and squad.

21 Feb 2021 23:16:52
There’s no difference between playing Wednesday/ Saturday than there is Thursday/ Sunday. It’s footballing nonsense.

21 Feb 2021 23:28:14
Really felt for James at times given the fact he had no one in the box. He put in one cracking cross which the keeper spilled and regathered but martial had just jogged towards the edge of the box. How can he watch cavani and take nothing from it. Cavani would break his neck to score, martial wouldn’t break stride. Really fed up watching him at the moment. No point having all the talent if you aren’t going to work.

22 Feb 2021 01:41:53
Sorry fresh. Agree. Also a challenge for teams playing away in europe wed and then sat. It is why the big clubs have deep strong squads, but is still a week to recognize a good win even if the opposition does not seem the best.

22 Feb 2021 02:43:30
Fresh,

Quite often teams struggle when playing Wednesday - Saturday as well, the difference is that with the Europa league it’s always Thursday - Sunday whereas in the CL you may have a Wednesday - Saturday once or twice a year and the others could Tuesday - Saturday or Wednesday - Sunday. It does make a difference and always has.

21 Feb 2021 21:25:03
Was it scintillating football? No, at times we are hard to watch.

Yet we keep grinding out results, we find a way to win.

Rashford and Bruno are the ones who possess world class ability and can unlock a defence in moment. We need someone else who can do that to add real balance to our forward play.

I'm still not sold on Maguire, he is as likely to head the ball into a dangerous area or tackle his own player than he is to make a great tackle, block, clearance or play a defence splitting ball forward.

Also great to see Shola Shoretire come on for his debut against his hometown club. With Steve Bruce on the touchline tonight and Carrick normally in United's I'm reminded that we have had a couple of top class Geordies play for us down the years. Hopefully Shola will be able to be mentioned alongside those two as their equal in years to come.

Love seeing academy lads make their debut, and seeing them become top players like Rashford.

A good weekend of football for us.

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21 Feb 2021 21:38:18
Shappy

I love seeing the young players come on, I always remember the start of Sammy McIlroys career. Maybe Shoretire should have had a little longer.

22 Feb 2021 12:00:38
I think most of the times we are a hard watch.

Hope Amad starts on Thursday as the tie is almost done.

21 Feb 2021 20:28:52
Nice 70 minute wall and bit of fresh air for Martial. Worse ways to earn your £150k a week!

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21 Feb 2021 21:03:42
No better than useless, again.

21 Feb 2021 21:17:58
Fresh add another 100 grand a week, the clown is on £250,000 a week.

21 Feb 2021 21:29:55
Martial is a frustrating player, so much skill and ability, but seems to lack the mentality to make the most of it and perform to his ability consistently.

In that respect he reminds me of Nani, a hugely talented player who was never able to make the most of his talents. Although at least Nani looked like he enjoyed playing football.

Martial frustratingly shows glimpses of the player he could be, but then someone challenges him for his starting spot or his life hits a rough patch and he retreats back into his shell for months before he pops his head back out and shows us what he is capable of.

Judging him on his talents he is top class, judge him on his mentality and he would barely be a championship player.

21 Feb 2021 21:37:04
Nani is 10 times the player Martial is - an insult to Nani to compare the two.

I’ll be smiling for a long while when a manager has the balls to drop him to the reserve and ship him out to Doncaster Rovers.

21 Feb 2021 21:54:56
Nani was a great player. His biggest weakness was we all compared him to Ronaldo!

21 Feb 2021 22:33:39
Well said Eric!

21 Feb 2021 23:30:15
Nani from 2009/ 10 season for a good 2/ 3 seasons was electric. Frustrating at times but always felt he was good for a goal or an assist. Wouldn’t mind having a player like him on the right.

22 Feb 2021 02:45:50
Amazing the revisionism sometimes, Nani was extremely frustrating and was very much a match of the day player, he would smash one in from 35 yards every now and again but his general play was ridiculously inconsistent.

I wouldn’t compare him to martial though as I never questioned nani’s work rate.

{Ed0666's Note - I agree mate I never rated Nani my Mums mum was better than him. You see what I did there?

22 Feb 2021 08:54:10
For me, Martial should be first out of the door in the summer.

Would bring in some decent funds (could see someone like Dortmund/ Inter going for him) but is just the most frustrating player to watch - all the ability but no effort. No bigger insult to fans than watching a playing who obviously can’t be bothered.

Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

21 Feb 2021 16:28:36
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Everton - A Liverpool Perspective

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21 Feb 2021 17:02:28
I don't see how Liverpool can pull themselves out of this downward spiral without a few weeks off to unplug.

I think there is no single problem that is impacting Liverpool but instead many smaller issues which by themselves could easily be managed, but all together make it hard to see the wood through the trees.

The injuries have been an issue, but not as big an issue as some make out. For the most part Liverpool have been able to name 8 of their starting 11 from last season in most games. While summer recruits have been available to play for the most part (Thiago and Tsimikas have been available most of the season, even if Jota's injury has ruled him out for most of it) .

The injuries have made it harder to rotate but then at the same time players like Shaqiri, Origi or Tsimikas have started most games on the bench so they have clearly been fit but under utilised.

While for the most part Salah, Mane and Firmino have been fit all season but all of them seem to be struggling in one way or another. Mane and Firmino look shadows of the players they were last season, while Salah is still scoring, yet he seems to be carrying the burden and is shooting on sight from ridiculous positions rather than lifting his head and making the simple pass to a player in a better position. His greed is blunting Liverpool's attack.

The mentality doesn't seem the same as last season, Liverpool have had two very draining years, just missing out to the title then a fantastic campaign to win it, while dealing with the disruption of the C.V. Are they just mentally tired or are they coping with being champions rather than chasing it. We have seen with Chelsea many times that they play well when chasing the title, but seem to drop off once they are champions.

I want to tread lightly with the last point as Klopp is a man in mourning. 100% the death of his mother will have hit him hard, and frankly the way the journalists prodded and poked him throughout looks more than a little crass in hindsight. Did they know? who knows, I would expect some were aware and did it anyway to get a good soundbite.

Either way I think the way Klopp has managed Liverpool this year should be scrutinised. He's a million miles away from the sack. But at some point he should have realised that taking Fabinho and Henderson out on his midfield was creating a hole in the middle of his team and removing any sort of protection in front of his weakened and often playing out of position central defenders. That has clearly been a mistake. However, it is a mistake he has continued to make for most of the season, and it looks like only injury to Fabinho and Henderson is the only way that has been stopped.

Like I said given his current personal circumstances a certain amount of slack needs to be cut. Yet the fact remains that had he played Fabinho and Henderson in midfield and not defence then his forwards would have likely received the ball quicker and in more dangerous areas probably leading to a few more goals, while tithout a soft midfield the defence would have been less exposed and likely have not conceded quite so many.

21 Feb 2021 20:39:37
I have said it previously and I am sure I will get pelters but Henderson is underrated and an integral cog of Liverpools recent success.
You can argue what he brings but what is indesputable is that they are worse when he does not play and this season when he has had to play out of position.
The same arguments were made with Carrick for years and I say the same, he was integral for us.

21 Feb 2021 20:55:45
Underated? Wasn’t he player of the year last year?

21 Feb 2021 21:17:04
“ I don't see how Liverpool can pull themselves out of this downward spiral without a few weeks off to unplug‘

I really wonder if I could care less so long they continue heading south 🤣.

22 Feb 2021 02:27:39
"Thiago and Tsimikas have been available most of the season"

Shappy have you been paying much attention to them 2 this season? Or just talking nonsense out of ignorance? Both of them have had elongated periods out with injuries. Thiago got C.V. soon after signing for Liverpool. And after his recovery from C. V he got injured in the Merseyside derby which resulted in him missing most of the remainder of 2020. And Tsimikas has been also only been fit since the turn of the year. He has had 2 injury spells out.

{Ed0666's Note - go get em deeps

22 Feb 2021 08:49:58
Shappy has a tendency to make things up you’ll get used to him 😂.

22 Feb 2021 12:44:49
Wazza

I am very used to his novel-like posts😂😂.

21 Feb 2021 13:59:11
Shinguard scores for West Ham, the top London team, managed by another United reject. Delightful.

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21 Feb 2021 08:52:50
Very big game today lads. We have to keep ticking along and taking these points. Newcastle are an okay team but I believe that we have too much for them.

City will run away with it but 2/ 3/ 4 is anyone's. We have to make it ours.

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21 Feb 2021 09:10:19
We should have had too much for West Brom but were actually lucky to get a draw. Newcastle aren't that great and are missing a few players with injuries so on paper we should be able to get all 3 points but we never know.

2nd place is up for grabs but I don't trust us go on a long run and cement a top 2 finish.

21 Feb 2021 11:18:10
Newcastle are a weird sort of side, often playing poorly, but likely to spring a surprise result every now and again.

While Wilson is a big loss for them it looks like Saint-Maximin has started to find form after suffering since he had C.V.

We should win this game fairly easily on paper, which is why I have a slight concern as it tends to be these sort of games that we lose this season.

Fingers crossed we turn up and get the job done.

21 Feb 2021 11:30:09
Apparently C.V. has struck, some coaching staff and players are out. Don’t know who or how many but the game is going ahead anyway apparently. Story in the daily mail.

21 Feb 2021 13:32:23
Nicky Butt will be on the coaching staff today, so happy with that.

 


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