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13 Nov 2020 17:14:16
I've heard a rumour that United and Juventus have/ are exploring the idea of a Pogba/ Dybala swap either in January or next summer.

Dybala's wage demands are beyond what Juventus are prepared/ able to pay him and the stalemate over a possible new deal means they will have to sell by next summer at the latest to avoid possibly losing him on a free in 2022.

While Pogba's position at United has been clear for a long time. He wants to leave, but the club have blocked a move as they would need to sell for less than they paid and they don't want to lose face. However, the club have now got themselves in the stupid position of not being able to sell him due to the activation on the one year extension and they cannot "profitieer" from that extension. Meaning they keep an unhappy player for the next 18 months then lose him for nothing, they offer him a new massive deal and pay a player far more than he's worth and throw the wage structure into disarray, or they find a solution where he leaves and the club save face.

So, I was wondering is a Pogba/ Dybala swap even possible?

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13 Nov 2020 17:39:25
Shappy they can sell him next summer or in Jan.

13 Nov 2020 17:58:53
Dybala is a good player for sure but plays mainly as a second striker. Is that the position we really need to reinforce the most? Feels like we'd go for him due to convenience rather than extensively scouted him etc and he be right for the team. Mishandling Pogba will lose us some serious cash ultimately. If we were going to swap Pogba for anyone at Juventus though I'd be targeting Matthijs de Ligt. At least then that's moving on a known problem for a potential solution (to our CB issue) .

13 Nov 2020 19:06:14
We already have too many Ams in Vdb, Bruno and Pogba why would we swap Pogba for Dybala. It would be like the dumbest thing to do.

14 Nov 2020 07:30:07
I think dybala could suit an interchanging front 3 system but yeah I would worry about him wanting to play the Bruno role. In an ideal world we’d just sell pogba, we have no use for him. He cannot play in a team with Bruno in my eyes as they occupy the same spaces and Bruno is much more reliable and had shown more in less than a year than pogba has since he returned. For me I would sell him and bring in a quality DM. Ideal would be Saul as he can play the deeper role but I think if we were to go down the purely defensive minded midfielder we couldn’t go wrong with Zakaria. Saying that Partey certainly looks the real deal atm.

14 Nov 2020 07:41:57
He isn't AM Singh, he is, as Halesini said, a second striker. It could mean a change of formation, and playing with two forwards.

14 Nov 2020 13:44:26
Always thought he’d be a great option at RF.

14 Nov 2020 14:10:14
Ken, my understanding is that as United triggered the one year extension in Pogba's contact (which would have been up next summer 2021) to last until 2022. That means any money from any sale would go to Pogba unless some sort of agreement can be reached between United and Pogba to circumvent the "profiteering" regulations.
i. e. the club can't activate the one year extension just to make money from his sale.

While Dybala wouldn't be my first choice option, I could see him working well in a two man front line if the management decided to go with a 41212 or 3512 shape full time with the squad.

I've heard that it is an option both club's are exploring to save face/ get a player they want/ avoid losing key players for free.

Personally I'd have sold Pogba last summer, and brought in Bruno a few months earlier.

Ideally I think we need a left sided CB partner for Maguire (as we are unlikely to drop a 80m player who is the club captain) . Getting a left sided CB means Maguire can be pushed over to the right hand side and get a little more protection from AWB.

A CDM to replace Matic long term, who struggles to play 2 games a week over a whole season. I really like McTominay, but I don't think he is a natural holding player. He best attribute is his running power and ability to move box to box, neither of which is used as a holding midfielder. While his passing range is limited, especially his long range passing accuracy, and his defensive reading of the game is average. Although he is strong in defensive duels. While Fred I'm not sure what his best role is. He isn't great creatively, his passing and first touch are erratic, he is terrible in the holding role. He is at his best as an annoying buzzing player, getting in the face of the opposition and winning the ball back then playing short, simple passes. However, I feel to really get the best out of him you would need BOTH a deeplying playmaker AND a No.10. either way, we seriously lack a natural holding CDM to cover/ replace Matic.

Then obviously we need a RW, it was meant to be Sancho. Whether that ship has sailed remains to be seen. Yet next summer we will likely have to compete with at least one of Liverpool, Chelsea, City, PSG, Real Madrid or even Barcelona for his signature. Meaning that he will likely cost more than what we weren't willing to pay this summer.

14 Nov 2020 16:32:08
People keep saying that, but is that really the case Shappy? Sancho wants to go to England, which would leave 4 teams in the race. Chelsea already has a lot of atackers, and if he choose Liverpool, he would be 2nd choice. He won't go back to City. PSG might be an option, but I think that's highly unlikely. Real has different targets in Mbappe, Haaland and the player from Ren (forgot his name) . Barcelona has no money, unless they sell some of their expensive players. Back to Liverpool, as I think they could be an option, if Salah leaves.

14 Nov 2020 17:18:28
Trololo, Salah might leave Liverpool next summer so Sancho could be the replacement.
City might have a new manager and could look for a big name signing for the manager and could look to Sancho.
PSG might lose either Mbappe or Neymar and would look for a top signing to replace either of them.
Real Madrid have been approached by his agent and could easily switch their focus to him if they can't get other targets.
Barcelona might be looking for a replacement for Messi and Sancho could be the ideal player.
Chelsea are less likely to get involved, but do have a previous interest.

I doubt ALL of those sides would be interested, but if even ONE of them are then we immediately face competition for him which we didn't have this year. While the likelihood that NONE of them would show an interest is slim at best.

14 Nov 2020 20:39:32
Considering we keep playing juan mata right wing and let him drift infield and link up with other attackers, it isn't outside the realm of possibilities that dybala could do a similar sort of role.

15 Nov 2020 01:07:46
We might as well swap him with cash. The guys is the modern day Carlton Palmer.

15 Nov 2020 01:16:40
Sure Shappy, we both got our opinions about that possible transfer, but you made it look like every club out there is going to fight for Sancho. There is no chance that every club you mentioned will be interested in him. Liverpool could easily be the only contender.

15 Nov 2020 05:42:41
Dybala has a fantastic left foot and can easily play on the right side of a front three.

15 Nov 2020 10:31:27
Trololo, I'm not sure I did.

"Yet next summer we will likely have to compete with at least one of Liverpool, Chelsea, City, PSG, Real Madrid or even Barcelona for his signature. "

That's what Is said in my post. Where I clearly say "likely" and "at least one of".

I haven't said anyone would definitely be in for him, just that several other clubs are likely to hold an interest.

Personally I think the deal is dead. If we weren't prepared to pay what Dortmund wanted this year then why would we pay it next year?

{Ed002's Note - Juventus are already in discussions with another side over Dybala as clubs are making an effort to agree transfers as early as possible. An exchange for Pogba is not something that has been discussed and there remains the issue of a renewed contract if Dybala were to drop his insistance on a particular clause in his contract.}

15 Nov 2020 11:35:57
Cheers Ed002, that puts that to bed.

15 Nov 2020 22:42:19
Sorry, I read it in that manner. Yes, we wouldn't pay that amount, but neither did anyone else. Obviously the price was too high. As much as I'd like to see Sancho playing for United, it shouldn't happen at that price.
And virus is still active, I doubt much will change until summer, concerning other clubs (and Uniteds) budget.

11 Nov 2020 17:14:00
Is there any update the Eds / fellow posters could provide re January window or future transfer plans? Given we have Diallo arriving in Jan I cannot see us in for Sancho again. We are still crying out for a CB and in my view a CF in this team but not expecting any movement at all in January.

I appreciate Greenwood is the longer term centre forward option and he will get plenty of opportunities this season in all of the front 3 positions. Current press about his attitude etc is more likely just to sell papers and I am aware he's had a close friend pass away. Greenwood will come good I've no doubt about it though not perhaps ready as first choice just yet?

I would prefer Rashford up top to Martial in all honesty and clearly Cavani was a bit of a panic buy late in the day. Albeit he's been a class player in his time. He like the lesser-spotted Ighalo is the wrong side of 30 though and I do think our team could be transformed with a class centre forward. Martial is just to in and out for me.

I strongly suspect the chequebook will be closed until next season and possibly it be a new manager looking to call the shots then. Ole still on borrowed time for me despite the Everton win. It was after all 'just' winning a must win game. And they are kinda all must-win now.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated as always and hope everyone is enduring Lockdown Part Deux as best they can.

{Ed002's Note - Assuming Diallo arrives he won’t be for the first team.}

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11 Nov 2020 18:33:52
Having spent £25m of our precious coin on Diallo and Pellistri combined (though paper quotes suggest that as high as £40m) I had mistakenly assumed one, Diallo presumably, would have been earmarked to integrate into the first team. I appreciate we, as all teams are doing, are buying up a lot of younger prospects at the moment though.

Does Diallo still have a work permit issue Ed? I am conscious he looks to have had a name change from Traore which doesn't strike me as a good sign!

{Ed002's Note - There is an ongoing investigation due to rule in December.}

11 Nov 2020 23:06:37
Thanks Ed. Very helpful.

11 Nov 2020 12:15:22
H Ed,

Is there any truth in the Ronaldo interest recently reported?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know what is being reported but there is a plan to get him and his wages off the books at the end of the season. I would not hold your breath about a return to Old Trafford.}

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11 Nov 2020 14:10:11
swap him for pogba.

11 Nov 2020 17:16:11
Thanks ed and we shouldve gone for him 2 years ago.

11 Nov 2020 18:36:54
PSG will need a big galactico type signing when either or both of Neymar and Mbappe depart. Though they can't both be going to Madrid and Barcelona are seemingly skint! Ronaldo won't be coming home to United. We were privileged to see one of the world's greatest ever players play for us. It is in the past though.

10 Nov 2020 20:29:42
Linked with grealish again, I still think he would of been an excellent signing on the summer . Carried on this season where he left off last season, been very good imo.

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10 Nov 2020 22:20:27
I think Villa staying up cost us signing Grealish for max £50m last summer. As soon as they avoided relegation it was £80m or nothing and fair play for sticking to their valuation. We quickly moved on to a slightly different player in Van de Beek for half the quoted Grealish price. Very much a missed opportunity for me. I’d prioritise Grealish over Sancho. Not that I see us back in for him now.

11 Nov 2020 12:47:03
He’s exactly where he needs to be for me, big fish in a small pond.

He’s a talented player but he strikes me as someone who needs to be the centre of attention. His off-field antics don’t do him any favours either.

11 Nov 2020 13:10:51
Just read a comment that tickled me:
“Put Grealish on a pitch. Now tie his lgs together and he’s still better than J Henderson”. 😂.

11 Nov 2020 15:48:50
scoobydog
That is one of the most absurd and idiotic thing I have ever read. Grealish maybe better than what I think of him but he is nowhere near Jordan Henderson. Maybe JG might have more natural talent but Henderson's mindset is above most professionals let alone a flawed person off the field like JG.

11 Nov 2020 16:02:07
The humour bypass went well I see 😂.

12 Nov 2020 01:48:11
I got that your post was meant as humourous but still I found more absurdity in the comment scoobydog.
I don't think its your opinion either.

12 Nov 2020 11:29:52
What an absurd thing to find. 😉.

10 Nov 2020 10:18:29
Hearing more rumbles re Greenwoods attitude. Latest is a suggested bust up with Bruno re his lackadaisical attitude during training, arriving late for training etc. I do hope we don’t have another Ravel prepared to squander his talent.

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10 Nov 2020 12:16:01
Isn’t it a coincidence that another young English forward for us gets it in and the press? And every time there’s an apparent story it’s Bruno who’s involved in a “bust up” or argument.

I’m not saying there’s not anything in the stories, but they are more than likely exaggerated. If mason wasn’t performing in training he shouldn’t be picked.

10 Nov 2020 12:17:54
This would be a bigger waste of talent imo. It’s difficult to comprehend a young player with the world at his feet can have such a rubbishty attitude. I think all of us would give our left testicle to be in his position.

10 Nov 2020 12:41:39
It was the Daily Mail, lads. Come on, now 😁.

10 Nov 2020 13:00:19
Not only Nouvamp.

10 Nov 2020 13:27:05
Fair enough, Scoobs.

11 Nov 2020 01:04:51
colan if the lads acting like a knobhead why should he not be called out. if he did it for england what is the difference doing it at united.

{Ed0666's Note - Arguably it’s a worse offense doing it for you’re country.

11 Nov 2020 10:20:20
Daily Mail? Seriously fellas? They have an agenda against a young, successful man of colour? Who knew?

11 Nov 2020 10:57:29
It wasn’t only the Mail. Man of colour? You will be expected to resign now.

11 Nov 2020 12:22:46
World has gone mad scooby. Media all over it like a rash.

11 Nov 2020 13:08:14
Indeed SAF.

10 Nov 2020 10:05:06
Rumours that Mason Greenwood isn't applying himself in training, obvs don't know how true that is but seemingly left out on occasion due to discipline issues. If it is true then it would be a huge waste of talent, someone needs to get a grip of him and say look at what you have at your feet, not sure there is anyone at the club that's got that about them, Bruno perhaps, anyway, maybe its not accurate but usually no smoke without fire.

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10 Nov 2020 10:21:42
Hearing exactly the same and just submitted a post prior to seeing this. Latest is apparently Bruno confronting him with a rather large bust up ensuing and resulting in him being 'unwell' and not in the squad for the Everton game. I do hope it’s all nonsense but.

28 Oct 2020 22:37:01
Telles has C.V.

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29 Oct 2020 06:18:27
Ole has confirmed he has had no symptoms, so he will be back after a good rest and fitness.

29 Oct 2020 18:03:38
Ed could you shed light on Bartomeus comments about the super league? I know a little bit about it through work in that it’s United and Arsenal with Liverpool possibly being invited if they can increase their global appeal. But it seems like the negotiations have taken off in various directions recently?

{Ed002's Note - He was discussing the proposals of the "elite" sides which I have been explaining for several years. The other idea are simply options, which I have explained as well.}

02 Nov 2020 07:47:36
We need a manager with a C. V.

05 Nov 2020 13:26:54
ken only just seen this, it made me chuckle lol.

27 Oct 2020 20:01:42
Not United related but of general imterest to all us football observers, Bartomeu has resigned, is. this the beginning of Messi and Barcelona patching. up their differences and him signing a new contract?

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27 Oct 2020 21:37:18
Nope, they are still imploding.

28 Oct 2020 09:48:29
Like us really but no one wants to admit it.

28 Oct 2020 17:25:18
That's a good point exfzz.

 


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