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15 Jul 2021 14:38:39
HI Eds,

Hope all are well.

A question for one of the Eds if possible. I was wondering if you could give us an update on the goalkeeper situation? I know Heaton has arrived, but are we looking at a first choice at the risk of DDG and Henderson moving on?

Ignore my previous post I hit send by accident.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United really want to keep both De Gea and Henderson and only add a third choice.}

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15 Jul 2021 15:16:04
ED002,

That sounds rather foolish. Another season of chop and changing the Gks wouldn't be the best of ideas.

{Ed002's Note - If they sell one or both the ituation will change.}

15 Jul 2021 15:45:40
The rumours are that Ole has told Henderson that he will be United's No.1 at the start of next season.

He supposedly returned from the England camp to make sure he would be fit in time for the start of the season, after picking up a hip issue while on international duty.

While other rumours say DDG has said he wants to stay and fight for his place next season. This suggests that DDG has been told he can find another club which backs up the Henderson being first choice rumour. Yet he wants to stay and fight for the starting place.

Ideally one of them leaves this summer as the indecision over which is first choice is impacting the form of both of them.

However, if both do stay then we need strong leadership from Ole. He needs to pick his No.1 and stick with him, he can't drop him at the first sign of a wobble or after any mistake. Doing that is what will create more indecision amoung the keepers.

He needs to say he's number one and he's number two, for the whole season and we'll readdress it next summer.

15 Jul 2021 16:37:58
Hendo will start off the season as number one mainly because DDG was at the Euros and isn't due back training until 4 August, so unlikely he will be ready for the first few fixtures. Question is how long does Ole stick with Hendo?

15 Jul 2021 18:01:30
But Ed002, how does this work with us extending Lee Grant’s contract and then signing Heaton as 3rd choice GK. Seems odd to carry 4 GK’s in the squad.

{Ed002's Note - Heaton is a replacement for Romero and Lee Grant will work with the youngsters whilst completing coaching qualifications.}

15 Jul 2021 20:30:40
Henderson for PL, DDG for the CL and cups. Other clubs have operated in such a fashion. For example Casilas and Diego Lopez for real madrid.

{Ed0666's Note - England with Clemence and Shilton

15 Jul 2021 00:31:45
Fabrizio told the utd stand that Varane has agreed personal terms with UTD and said he wants to move to UTD. He has been offered 70% of the wage utd offered him so let's see if Varane wants to force higher contract or come to us.

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15 Jul 2021 08:54:44
Whether or not Varane ends up at United, I get the genuine feeling that he wants out of Madrid. So I would expect to see him playing elsewhere next season.

The rumours are that he wants a fresh challenge after 10 years in Madrid, he has changed agents which seems to back this up.

He was 18 when he moved to Spain and he has now spent over a third of his life living there. It's fairly unusual for a player to move somewhere in their teens then spend the rest of their career there.

I think he'll move this summer, hopefully to us.

15 Jul 2021 09:49:46
Reddevilfan I think there is genuine hope on Verane and we just need to be patient. I imagine we have said to his agents (that have moved to a UK based one I think) that his salary etc will not be a problem and we just need Madrid to confirm what they are looking for.
I think this will move over the next couple of weeks once he has had some time off.
It does sound like he is looking for a new challenge, PSG seemed the alternative but with them getting Ramos I think that has gone this year. I think a CB pairing of him and Maguire will be a good base to the team.

15 Jul 2021 14:44:09
Well I hope we get him I really do we need him badly. He has already agreed to our terms and Real have offered an improved contract that would see his wages rise to 70% of what we are willing to pay him.

I just don't want us over paying players as we need to really trim the wage bill.

As 02 said we are Amatuer at best. The fiasco that is giving players who need the door new contracts is laughable and frustrating.

14 Jul 2021 12:39:18
Hi Ed, hope you are well?

Has there been any progress on any outgoing players at United so far this summer? Our squad is huge and is about to get bigger with Sancho and maybe Varane arriving.

Players like Jones, Dalot, Williams, Lingard, Pereira etc all taking up space but would at best make the bench. I'm guessing we've already priced players out of a move this summer as well.

{Ed002's Note - Agents are working on finding homes for players who are available to move on.}

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14 Jul 2021 13:12:29
Roma in talks for Alex Telles apparently.

14 Jul 2021 13:41:35
Thanks very much Ed. Good to know that work is ongoing to at least try to move on some of these players.

Just waiting for Phil Jones to pick up his next injury that rules him out until after the transfer window closes.

14 Jul 2021 13:54:35
Of all the players at the club who aren't regular first choice in their position, Telles is one of the few who I don't understand why we'd let him go easily. Telles is a good player, that's the level we want our backup players to be.

14 Jul 2021 18:57:23
It was manic to Rome then bailley then dalot now telles.

15 Jul 2021 07:58:07
To be honest while our in coming transfers have been poorly handled on the whole. It is the out goings that are the real problem.

Romero, Jones, Dalot, Matic, Mata, Lingard, Andreas Pereira and Chong all need to leave on permanent deals.

One of Henderson or DDG need to move on. As does one of Bailly or Tuanzebe.
Does James have a long term future, should he leave permanently or on loan.
Pogba needs to be moved on.
What is the situation with Donny? Does he stay and fight for a place, or does he leave?

Then we have the players who need loans sorted out. Mengi, Laird, Williams, Garner, Hannibal, Pellistri, Shoretire, Elanga, maybe even Amad.

We have a bloated squad, many of whom are either not good enough or on the decline. They block the pathway for our talented young academy players, and restrict our ability to sign new players.

While our signings have been very hit and miss, while lacking in being part of a cohesive larger vision.

However, it is the inability to move players on that is the real failing.

15 Jul 2021 14:16:41
Shappy - "However, it is the inability to move players on that is the real failing. " totally agree but as said before there are other problems at utd from the infastructure, building etc down to the p. poor customer/ fan service in certain areas.

15 Jul 2021 15:24:51
Funky, of course there are loads of other issues top to bottom. All I'm really talking about is the issues with creating/ assembling a team capable of challenging for top honours.

I suspect that if like when Sir Alex was in charge the team is performing well and winning titles. Then I suspect for most fans the poor investment in infrastructure/ fan service etc wouldn't be such an issue.

However, not having a team that is consistently challenging means the spot light is drawn on all areas of the Glazer ownership in an attempt to find out what is going wrong.

16 Jul 2021 08:58:39
re -read Shappy agree with you - adding further that the whole infastructure and everything mufc needs addressing. Like a lot of things in life and business taking the eye off seemingly smaller issues can / does effect the bigger ones or those perceived as such.
I read all the eds comments as you probably do and its blatantly obvious deuction that the club is run in an amateurish way, pointed out numerous times Ed002 is it not?
Lets face it, we are not a total football club, we are a multi million business and can't seriously succed if we are run from a b&q shed by someones uncles first boyfriend who had a football in his nans garden!
I agree the playing staff and indeed it commands mega bucks, but its taken 2 decades to get a director of football and probably a decade since carrington was given £200 worth of paint. I want us to be despised on all fronts not just the envy of fans for trophies that we have tried to win with over 1 billion of investment- not that much different to spurs over the last 8 years in that way but they have amazing facilities and a cracking stadium- and you can get the phone answered by a bloody human!

14 Jul 2021 11:30:29
Rumours are cooling on Camavinga.
Apparently prefers a move to Spain or PSG (as Ed002 has said) .

Utd also looking to add a third signing after Varane.

I hope this leads to Saul.

Saul, Varane and Sancho would be a huge upgrade.

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14 Jul 2021 12:24:42
Well with Heaton and Sancho agreed, and with Varane or at least one CB looking very likely that gives us three signings.

I'd imagine a fourth will very much depend on out goings and I doubt it'll be a hugely expensive signing, probably around the 20-35m price range after spending 70m on Sancho and around 50m on a CB.

Could be a RB, or a CM.

14 Jul 2021 12:28:11
Heaton doesn't count.

14 Jul 2021 12:45:32
Heaton is probably a third choice GK. He is likely to never make a first team appearance at 35 similar to Lee Grant.
So I don't count him as a signing.

14 Jul 2021 14:08:41
Surely the price range of any potential third signing depends on outgoings?

Let's say 70m ish on Sancho and 50m ish on a CB. £120m looks like quite a lot, but if we were to sell, for example: DDG, Lingard, Bailly/ Lindelof, Dalot, Perreira and hopefully Jones, that could easily be 70-100m in sales, maybe even more if we're lucky.

Spending another 50-60m on a CDM type doesn't seem so unrealistic after that. Especially if we then move on Pogba, Fred or Donny.

14 Jul 2021 14:41:58
Shappy I agree that 20-35 m seems a good call but get the feeling it may well be that sort of figure to extend pp contract- do hope i'm wrong though.

14 Jul 2021 17:47:07
Of course Heaton counts, did Grant or Romero not count? Did Telles not count?

Just because a player is signed for a squad role that doesn't mean they don't count.

Also I wouldn't be surprised to see one of DDG or Henderson leave this summer, which would make Heaton our No.2 keeper. He might play more often than you think.

Thorne, I don't think it works like that. Maybe on FIFA you can sell players to bolster your transfer kitty. But in the real world both of the signings of Sancho and any CB we sign will have been calculated on a number of outgoings and a certain about of income.

With Varane or a similar 50m signing at CB that would bring our spending to 123m not including the substantial "agents" fees which for Sancho alone is rumoured to be in the region of 40m.

The club has never really spent more than 150m in one window, regardless of how much they receive from outgoing transfers.

Which means to match our biggest summer spend we would be looking at around 25-30m on any additional signings.

Considering all the financial pressures all clubs are under currently I highly doubt we'll see more than 150-160m in total spent.

14 Jul 2021 20:58:26
Isn't Saul off to Barcelona now.

15 Jul 2021 08:01:47
Grim that's what I'm hearing. With Greasyman going the other way apparently.

15 Jul 2021 08:59:49
I think the Greizmann/ Saul swap actually makes a lot of sense.

Barcelona have signed Depay and Aguero so have less of a need for Greizmann who has never quite fit in to that Barcelona side. While with Pjanic presumably on his way out and Busquests not getting any younger, a player like Saul makes a lot of sense for them.

Atletico on the other hands want to get Saul's large long term contract off the wage bill and are in need of a forward. Griezmann having previously been there ticks all the boxes with the comfort of knowing that he will be a success as he previously was.

13 Jul 2021 18:00:20
Couple of rumours about United putting in a bid for Moriba from Barca. Don’t know much about him, seems he’s stalling on a contract at Barcelona and I guess with their current rumoured financial situation then this may have some legs. Anyone know much about him?

{Ed002's Note - Ilaix Moriba (CM) Barcelona fended off interest from Chelsea when he was 16 and the sustained recent interest of RBL who offered a structured career growth option when he turned 18 in January by explaining they would sell if his €100M release clause was met. He is playing in Spain, and for Spain, initially under the Cotonou Agreement. I am not aware of any offer from Manchester United nor any idea what they would try to do with him but they and others have sent scouts to watch him.}

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13 Jul 2021 10:51:29
Any truth in James to Leeds?

{Ed002's Note - Daniel James (LW/RW) may be lucky and get a loan. Leeds have asked for a loan with an option to buy. Will be available.}

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13 Jul 2021 12:30:20
Sensible move for him. Looks like the club are betting on Diallo being a decent option of the bench. Atleast it ensures he gets some game time.

13 Jul 2021 12:46:51
I think James will improve under Bielsa who I think is an excellent manager.

13 Jul 2021 16:20:15
I like Dan James, he has the right attitude and can be a useful player. The issue is his game currently isn't diverse enough to play every week for a side expected to challenge for honours.

Rashford, Sancho, Martial and Greenwood will all be ahead of him. While Amad and Pellistri will soon be challenging, along with Elanga and Shoretire.

13 Jul 2021 16:57:38
He is still young and with a proper coach should improve a lot. I would loan but not with option to buy but option of first refusal if we later decide to sell.

13 Jul 2021 17:57:30
James is a winger with zero moves. Amad has far more potential.

13 Jul 2021 23:17:47
We can't just keep buying players someone has to go to make room for amad and sancho. Looks like Jesse and James will be the firsts that leave to make space.
If we sign a rb and a cb you will probably see tuanzebe and Dale make way while Williams will go on loan i'd imagine.
The squad is pretty much set then with the 2 real question marks over the will he stay or go pogba and keeper selection.
If he goes we will sign someone to replace him i guess.

13 Jul 2021 23:22:28
‘His game isn’t diverse enough’ is a polite way of saying he isn’t good enough Shappy, nothing about him suggests he ever will be. Good lad, works hard, puts the effort in defensively, as you say is not and will never be good enough for a team challenging for titles.

The media and pundit love in for him is unbelievable in my opinion, at the Euro’s he was being talked about like he had a stormer every game, whereas he just ran fast with no end product as always.

14 Jul 2021 08:04:11
Dan was excellent in the Turkey game, he just needs to develop his end product.

14 Jul 2021 12:38:08
GDS, he has explosive pace which is a huge asset, he also has a great attitude, works hard and is keen to learn and develop.

If he can develop his all round game so he is less of a one trick pony then he could be a very good player.

I don't think he has world class ability or potential. However, not everyone of our players needs to be world class. All our success over the past 30 years has been underpinned by hard working talented squad players who are able to come in a do a job but are content enough to not start every game.

I think if James can develop his game he could become one of those players. They are vital and rarely get the credit they deserve, but few teams win things without a few of them in the squad.

11 Jul 2021 11:39:11
Hi Ed,
Is Kane a realistic target for United this Summer?

Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - Harry Kane (S) If Kane became available then PSG and the Manchester clubs would no doubt be keen - other clubs who can afford him such as Chelsea and Bayern Munich would certainly be asked if they were interested. If it happens it could become a huge auction. If the player decides he wants a step up in his career then Manchester United might be willing to meet any demands that Spurs have. I can see Manchester City looking to sign him as well if Spurs will listen to offers.}

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11 Jul 2021 21:58:13
Thanks Ed002,

Would FFP stretch that far that United could sign Kane on top of Sancho during the C.V.?
Or is FFP2 no issue because of the C.V. or it being hollowed out?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It is not an FFP issue - the club need to sell players to make space in the squad.}

12 Jul 2021 22:33:58
Thanks Ed for the reply and clarification.
Any progress on selling players so far?

{Ed002's Note - Some. Money is the issue everywhere so more creative solutions can be looked at.}

13 Jul 2021 08:37:00
Thanks for this info Ed002.

Do you think that United will be more creative in their player transactions? I seem to remember you suggesting that they were previously reluctant to to do this.

{Ed002's Note - Not much will have changed.}

13 Jul 2021 11:16:18
Thanks for comment Ed002, not surprising really 😔.

08 Jul 2021 19:34:01
Ed002, I see rumours surfacing about Saul to Liverpool. Can you cheer me up and tell me this is complete nonsense? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Saul Niguez (CM) Nobody will pay his release clause but Atletico could look to a very high fee for a player who has a contract that runs for years in order to get his €300k weekly wage off the books. Bayern Munich's first choice to add for midfield and his agent has spoken with several sides as Atletico want to make very significant savings on salaries and could be forced in to a corner by the player and his agent. But Bayern see his cash price at €60M (or €75M on terms) and wages of €300k as too high and will want to negotiate - they will almost certainly turn elsewhere. He is being offered to the usual suspects who have money - Manchester United (who would need to offload Pogba), Juventus, Manchester City, PSG, Chelsea as a Kovacic replacement - many of which are looking to add a player in his position but his wages are a major issue for most. Atletico have signed his replacement. I am not aware of any approach from Liverpool at this time but he would be an excellent choice but a lot more expensive than other options.}

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08 Jul 2021 20:05:20
Hi Ed, do United retain any interest on their side as one of the few sides who could afford it (if Pogba were to go) or is it more from his representation offering him around?

{Ed002's Note - Sure but they are intent on keeping the hostage and no moving forward right now.}

08 Jul 2021 20:39:54
Club need to look at the options unless Pogba is willing to sign a new contract (unlikely and if he did it would be astronomical) . No player especially someone like Pogba will give 100% in the final year of contract through fear of injury stopping the next big payday.
Bite the bullet, either use him as part exchange for Verane or sell to PSG. Then bring in someone like Saul as a replacement or top quality holding midfielder.

09 Jul 2021 10:08:10
gotta say, a midfield of Bruno, Saul and Camavinga would be awesome. With donny, Fred, McT and Matic as backup. Replace Matic and Fred over the next 2 windows with Garner and Mejbri and we are set for 5 years.

09 Jul 2021 03:37:27
Question for Ed002, if you’re around. You mentioned that the club can’t profiteer from a sale of Pogba due to having extended his contract, but how exactly would things work if they swapped him for someone like Varane? Would we still have to declare the ‘value’ of the deal and then negotiate with his agent or would it just go through like any other swap?

{Ed002's Note - All transfers have a value - even if they are exchanges.}

09 Jul 2021 12:49:45
Isn’t that why Barcelona and jive did the Arthur - pjanic swap at ridiculous prices.

09 Jul 2021 13:09:08
Ultimately all players have a "asset value" If United extend Pogba's contract only to use that to get a player in exchange then United will have profited to the tune of the value of that player.

So if Varane is valued at 50m then technically United have profited 50m from extending Pogba's contract.

The whole point about profiteering is that by extending Pogba's contract you are denying him and his agent the chance to earn a huge signing on fee.

Thus the club will have to agree to pay a large sum to Pogba and his agent if he is to leave this summer either for cash or as part of a player exchange.

09 Jul 2021 22:16:03
Cheers for the reply, Ed002.

12 Jul 2021 19:47:14
Isn't Varane in a similar contract situation to Pogba. In which case a swap would seem reasonable regardless of the nominal price attached. The profiteering aspect would presumably apply either to both sides or to neither.

{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid want cash, not cast offs.}

 


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