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28 Jan 2025 14:27:51
Looks like Dorgu could be in.
Lecce's newspaper saying 35m Euros with 5 more as addons. 2m salary rising to 3m.
(He had a 4/ 10 game last weekend according to the Italian press. )
And the rumour I posted a could of days ago has developed somewhat. Ayden Heaven has apparently agreed terms for his move from Arsenal.

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28 Jan 2025 17:24:23
Seems the United tax on players is alive and well then.

28 Jan 2025 20:26:53
He follows the obvious new strategy try and bring in younger players with a lot of potential.

Under INEOS we have signed:

Mazraoui (26), MdL (25), Zirkzee (23), Ugarte (23), Yoro (18), Sekou Kone (18), Chido Obi-Martin (17), Samuel Lusale (17), Diego Leon (17), Ayden Heaven (18) and now Patrick Dorgu (20).

That's 11 signings under the new regime, 7 of them are 20 or younger.

Add that to some of the other talented young players we already had in the first team squad (Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad, Højlund, Collyer) .

Along with an academy with a super talented record breaking group of players that could be looking to break into the first team over the next few years.

28 Jan 2025 21:42:46
At some point along the line they forgot to add any actual quality for the now.

28 Jan 2025 23:22:53
Last weekend they played Inter and Dorgu was good, arguably their best player. But they got beat proper by a vastly superior side so difficult to judge. It is the game before that which he was poor.

29 Jan 2025 00:19:18
Spenno,

Our CEO has explained the plan and what they are aiming to build towards, seems like with the signings we are making now that we are moving away from the silly expensive players on daft wages and getting players in with better attitudes.

29 Jan 2025 02:20:41
GDS2, I all know that, but I also know none of those signings are going to be remembered for very long.

29 Jan 2025 07:22:29
Shappy, its the best. Also easier to mould the players, get them all singing of the same hymn sheet. Also allows a better sell on possibility should they not work out. Very positive.

29 Jan 2025 08:31:17
We clearly overpaid for dorgu, but at least his reported wage is a good deal.

29 Jan 2025 09:41:32
According to Fav it's €30 mill with €5 mill in not guaranteed add ons. 6ft 1 and supposedly rapidly, with an unreal engine. Will it work out who knows but seems a far more reasonable expenditure than some of our deals in the past. Now it's whether Rash or Garnacho goes as to if anyone else comes in, I think.

29 Jan 2025 09:42:13
spenno that's a bit too pessimistic. there are some very good players in that list and, with their age profile and salaries, if they don't work out we're likely to be able to recoup the majority of our outlay. that's a considerable improvement.

26 Jan 2025 17:11:19
That's it, I take it back.

Apparently, Antony did the 'Anturney' during his unveiling - what a jackass!

Stay gone fool!

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26 Jan 2025 18:58:41
And the so called wise people in charge thought he was worth 85m. We the club is a laughing stock.

27 Jan 2025 07:21:13
Hope he finds his feet and confidence again. Terrible piece of business for the club, not up to it but it's been a mess for most players coming into this club in recent years.

Hope he does well at Betis.

27 Jan 2025 08:48:43
Hoyland, an equally bad bit of business.

27 Jan 2025 11:15:05
Porsche, we went 75m quid in on a 20 year old who had never done anything to be our leading man. He has all the attributes but one who carries the weight of the world.

Terrible business, but I don't think he is a terrible player. Too much, way too soon for him.

The club royally messed him and the situation up.

27 Jan 2025 14:15:21
Agreed. Hojlund has great promise but he's not ready to lead the line now. He could do great with a loan. It's not that dissimilar to Evan Ferguson of Brighton. Getting Zirkzee in during the summer rather than a no.9 was a huge error. Zirkzee isn't the problem, but he's not the answer to the problem either. Maybe try for Delap or even Wissa and share the load with Hojlund and see if that works.

27 Jan 2025 15:38:15
he doesn't seem to have a strikers instinct- can't hold the ball up either for a big lad - has no aerial threat either.

27 Jan 2025 16:41:58
Reveal video was a work of art though

Real Betis’ Twin Peaks referenced announcement for Antony
byu/PradipJayakumar insoccer

28 Jan 2025 08:59:15
WTF 😂😂😂.

28 Jan 2025 09:33:36
Kane was the ultimate target, Hojlund the understudy. We ended up just with the understudy, nowhere near the ready and with no-one to look up to. Awful planning.

28 Jan 2025 12:57:03
Spenno

No awful planning. kane is on 500k a week and that was never doable on a 4 year deal. They took a punt on a guy with potential but he is failing to live up to it so far.

Same thing with the lecce guy coming in, anyone's guess if he is going to be good of bust. Personally prefer what fergie used to do, buy from the pl. Would rather spend more and get kerkez. No surprises there.

26 Jan 2025 15:25:23
Seems we are keen on dorgu but doesn't look like we have the funds to pay what they want. Maybe we could look for a loan with obligation and send them malacia or amass until the summer?

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26 Jan 2025 16:18:50
I’m sure we have the funds but don’t want to be held to ransom, think they would be holding out for their record transfer fee if anyone else came calling? We are right to negotiate and get him for the correct price rather than overspend again and again.

26 Jan 2025 17:12:00
We've lost 300 million in 3 years, don't think we have any money that we can spend without getting some sort of psr/ ffp penalty.

I get what your saying about overpaying, we do need to be smarter with the spending.

27 Jan 2025 15:36:20
according to 1 report we offered 16.8 plus 4 in addons . huge jump then to 33 million - apparently we are stuck at 25 now and won't go higher.

25 Jan 2025 23:37:58
So, gratitude and appreciation to Real Betis as deal for Antony completed!
Apparently they are paying 84% of his weekly wage, we are on the hook for £32,000 a week, seems a good deal for us.

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26 Jan 2025 06:18:24
Guessing there’s no loan fee involved, but happy to see that they’re paying the lion’s share of his wages. Hope it works out for him. It’s not his fault that Ten Haag thought he was anywhere near good enough for Manchester United, nor that bright spark in accounting agreed to pay £80m+ for him.

26 Jan 2025 07:31:25
So that’s one deal done in an excessively long transfer window. Just another 5-6 in and outs needed….

26 Jan 2025 09:59:58
I see another one out, two in. Take your pic!

26 Jan 2025 10:03:17
I'm happy for him.
While he certainly isn't of the standard that'd demand a fee of over £80m from a club run sensibly, he does graft.

I hope this move kick-starts a revival of fortunes for him.

26 Jan 2025 12:06:35
New lease of life for him in a good league, a decent club in a nice city. Hope he flourishes.

26 Jan 2025 16:47:09
If Antony is really being paid £200k per week and cost us £80m, by the time agents loan fees are taken into account it's estimated the loan will save us £1.5m out of his total £25m+ per year cost Better than nothing I suppose.

26 Jan 2025 16:48:49
He will flourish in a better organised stable team in a league where he doesn't have to defend as much. Wish him good luck.

27 Jan 2025 06:09:59
I hope he doesn’t try to use his right foot to kick start his career or he is screwed. Will not be much better with his crappy left foot either. Good riddance!

25 Jan 2025 12:41:06
This morning. Ethan Wheatley to Walsall on loan.

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24 Jan 2025 22:25:37
I mentioned that I wouldn’t be surprised if we made a move for Nkunku/ Felix with Garnacho going the other way. It’s now being reported that we’re in for Nkunku. We haven’t seen much of him in the league but clearly a top talent. What’s everyone’s thoughts? He would cost £70m but can play the number 10 roles. He’s performed well in Europe so it might give us a boost there if we’re to bring him in.

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24 Jan 2025 23:13:31
Felix makes more sense positionally I think under Amorim’s system.

Still uncomfortable with the sale of Garnacho. Rashford can go, but there’s a player there with Garan.

24 Jan 2025 23:37:28
Maybe Garnacho plus a little cash?
Still can’t believe this club is having to consider this type of deal but it’s the new model for raising cash. Almost a two steps back to move forward situation.

25 Jan 2025 05:42:44
Isn’t Nkunku always injured?

25 Jan 2025 08:14:03
I'd stay clear of nkunku, we don't need another injured player. If we were looking at anyone from chelsea I'd look at Carney Chukwuemeka.
I hope garnacho stays. Think he adds something different to the other 10's we have.
If it is about having to sell rather than wanting to, I hoe he ends up at napoli.

25 Jan 2025 08:59:41
I agree Tom.

There are a number of players I’d allow to leave ahead of Garnacho to free up and raise funds. But when we’re being realistic, look through the actual squad and who could actually raise any funds for the rebuild?

Lindelof, Maguire, Casemiro, Rashford, maybe Onana? Malacia?

Not exactly a stellar list and none are much sought after. This goes without saying nobody till but Shaw, Antony or Mount from us. Mount’s fitness is actually more vital to us than we know. He’s perfect for the 10 roles.

25 Jan 2025 09:48:25
I agree - I would love to see Mount out there giving 100% because that’s not always guaranteed in a United shirt.

25 Jan 2025 11:49:49
£70m is a crazy fee for a player who cost Chelsea £52m two years ago and has spent most of the time since out injured. When he has played for them, he hasn’t been great.

I might be tempted by a Felix-Garnacho swap deal as I think the former is probably a better fit for Amorim’s system than the latter, but like others, I’m not sure how I’d feel about letting Garnacho go to a rival. It’s clear that he’s not a good fit for the system that Amorim wants to play, but also that he has the potential to become a top player. Seeing him do that with another Premier League club would be a lot more painful than if he did it overseas.

25 Jan 2025 13:57:22
I like Nkunku, but the player we should absolutely be going after for that 10 role is Cunha from Wolves.

Additionally, we need to significantly drop our asking price for Rashford. He needs selling before Garnacho, and is obviously of no use to us as he’s not even being considered for selection. Drop Rashford’s price to £30m and I genuinely believe we’d have multiple offers within hours. It would allow the West Hams of the world to become plausible.

Likewise with Casemiro. £10m would have the Saudis, Americans and Brazilians swarming.

All of a sudden, our sixth choice no.10 and fifth choice midfielder are out the door and we have £40m in the bank plus saving circa £600k per week in wages.

25 Jan 2025 17:11:17
If Garnacho leaves in January I'd consider Nkunku on loan until the end of the season without an obligation to buy but maybe with an option.

He's a good player, but has a patchy injury record.

25 Jan 2025 19:07:33
Wonder if no takers for Rashford it means he might play in place of Garnacho on the left.

25 Jan 2025 22:50:58
Would ya shappy? Are you in charge of united transfers now?

26 Jan 2025 11:41:01
Endo, I can neither confirm or deny that. 😂.

24 Jan 2025 16:11:46
United are reported to have made an approach to talk to Arsenal teenager Ayden Heaven, who apparently wants to leave the Emirates setup. Comes from the same group as Chido Obi Martin who signed for us last month.
Agent Chido? Could be. Ayden was spotted as a guest at OT last night.

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23 Jan 2025 12:57:27
I should have waited another hour before posting. United went in with a late loan bid last night but Enciso chose to move to Ipswich this morning as they offered more game time.

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23 Jan 2025 11:29:05
Apparently a late enquiry made about Brighton;s Enciso prior to his potential move to Ipswich.
Didn't even get a chance off the bench on Sunday.
Alvaro dissing any return talk 'I am happy here, Benfica gave me the chance to grow'.

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22 Jan 2025 08:56:40
Garnacho to napoli looking a real possibility now. Very much doubt we would sell to Chelsea.

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22 Jan 2025 10:37:03
If it does happen, we need to be holding out for at least 70 mill, after what we paid for Hoijlund maybe more. Personally I hope it doesn't, as for me he is far down the list of players that add no value to the team. Equally though I understand we need money in to facilitate Amorims team build and unfortunately others aren't seeing value in Rashford.

22 Jan 2025 10:50:06
Not sure how I feel about this. Disappointing for me IMO. Could be a romantic view but I really think he has enough about him to crack on. But if it's what RA wants, well then who am I to argue.

22 Jan 2025 11:37:34
It is dissapointing from the perspective of him being a youngster that we have nurtured all be it we brought him in from Athletico. Also, the talent is there and we have seen this sporadically over the past 18 months. However, there is also a view that like Rashford he is more of a highlights reel player and the overall impact in the game is not as great. Add this to the thought that he does not fit the 343 system and it might be right to maximise his value and sell.

Personally would prefer that be to Napoli than Chelsea and it sounds like he is open/ keen on that move. If we can get anything close to £50/ 55m the it will be too good to turn down, earlier in the window I had viewed him more £40m but with some of the sales including Kvaratskhelia from Napoli likely it will need to be more for us to sell.

It will be interesting what we do if he leaves, Antony already gone on loan and Rashford likely by end of the window. Hopefully there are some deals being worked on for incomings whether on loan or permanent.

22 Jan 2025 12:44:27
He really isn’t that good, £50m in full profit will allow us to buy 2 or 3 players that improve the squad, can see why the club are open to it. Amorim dropped Garna and Rashford for the derby to give them a kick
Up the arse and both of them have shown they aren’t up for the fight.

22 Jan 2025 13:41:30
Napoli will not pay that much. I can't see us getting more than £50m anywhere at this time. If Amorim wants wing backs rather than wings then maybe he's not the right profile however talented he may or may not be.

22 Jan 2025 13:44:07
Funny how 12 months ago he was our future now because we can get a couple of new shiny players. he's not that good! i'm sure with the clubs track record the new faces will be aces.

22 Jan 2025 14:02:27
Not a good sign, selling a HG player with a lot of potential whilst struggling to remove a player on massive wages that we want rid of doesn't sit well. I read into this, the club as desperate for cash.

22 Jan 2025 19:34:33
I'm still on the fence over whether we should sell Garnacho. However, if we do we need to be realistic. Anything around 50m would be a great deal in the current market.

We are seeing tighter financial regulations along with clubs feeling the impact of the pandemic leading to more sensible decisions, combine to see fees dropping around Europe. It will be quite a while before we see players going for north of 100m again.

Garnacho is young and talented, a player with potential. Yet if we are honest not many talented young players leave a club like Manchester United to go on and become a top top player.

While Napoli see Garnacho as a potential replacement for Kvaratskhelia, who himself is only 23 but must be considered amongst the very best LW players in the world right now. A genuine world class talent. A player who has just been sold to PSG for a reported 70m euros which equates to around 59m pounds.

If Kvaratskhelia is worth 59m, then we cannot be valuing Garnacho much above 50m, he isn't at the same level and it is questionable if he has the ability to reach the same level. Even if he does he's likely years away from getting to that level.

There is no point comparing what we have paid for players as some sort of barometer as to what we should expect to get for him.

50m for a player we got for practically nothing, who has potential, but has also shown some worrying signs of mental fragility at times, while also not having a natural position in the team so would require some adapting to become a regular player is actually a great deal.

Right now he isn't a starter, and there is no guarantee that he will ever become a starter. If his sale enables us to buy 2 or even 3 starters then it starts to become a very logical decision.

Look at the impact Amad is having this season. That's the kind of impact a player who is well suited can have on the team.

Would you swap Garnacho for another three players who can match the impact of Amad?

22 Jan 2025 20:09:55
You should bite someone's hand off for 50 million imo. Very average player maybe worth about 25mil I'd say.

22 Jan 2025 21:33:34
Maybe something like £55m + incentives to give us a few quid further down the road? I do like him, he’s very direct and is a great impact sub when opposition is flagging. But if there is a target or two who would fit into this side immediately it should be done IMO.

22 Jan 2025 21:55:06
Spenno, name me a club that would pay 55m+ for Garnacho over Kvaratskhelia for 59m?

One is a player with potential, the other a genuine world class player who is still only 23.

That's like paying the same for a pile of car parts and a Ferrari.

One has the potential to be a Ferrari, but the other already IS a Ferrari.

If Kvaratskhelia is worth 59m in the current market, than Garnacho is worth around 45m at most. If we get more than that then we've done well in the current market.

To be honest if we want the maximum price then it'll have to be Chelsea we sell to as EPL clubs have significantly stronger finances and are about the only clubs that can afford to over pay for players.

22 Jan 2025 23:11:44
I think Garnacho has not progressed because he has not had a proper coach. Conte is no fool and he wouldn't fork out £50m for no good reason. I fear we will sell Garnacho and then in a year or so wish wevhadnt.

23 Jan 2025 00:35:07
Well he would probably thrive in the Italian league just like Mctominay is but selling him wasn’t a mistake either.

23 Jan 2025 05:56:06
Good young player and not great and not from our academy. We got the boy at 17 from Spain. He is average in build up play. we can do better.

23 Jan 2025 08:46:18
Kvaratshkelia is by no means world class. He's good but not world class.

23 Jan 2025 14:02:04
Shappy, Kvaratshkelia's price was 'low' as his contract is short. By the end of the season he'd be able to sign a pre-contract for another club.
Need to dig a little beyond the obvious and ask why sometimes.

23 Jan 2025 14:56:24
Speaking of fees city seem to have opened the purse and spending big. they will miss qualification for the next phase of cl if they don't win their last game and finish outside the top 24. Would love to see that. given where they are coming from their season is worst than our so far.

24 Jan 2025 14:19:14
Ahmad,

It really isn’t though is it, they are 5th in the league, 12 off the top, we are 13th in the league 12 off 19th, you’ll struggle to convince me our season has been better than theirs.

 


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