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14 Sep 2020 17:38:49
Smalling, Jones and Periera all not present at the media day - Hopefully finally being moved on.

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14 Sep 2020 19:52:35
Heard we rejected latest roma offer?

14 Sep 2020 20:58:49
What about our argentine fire starter was he present?

14 Sep 2020 17:29:21
Just a heads up to the people interested

If anyone is fed up of the piped in crowd noises and misses the atmosphere created by fans in the ground then maybe tune into to the DFB PPokal games in Germany.

The game between Dynamo Dresden and Hamburg is being livestreamed by the german football channel on youtube and some 10000 (ten thousand) fans have been allowed into the stadium


Cheers.

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15 Sep 2020 04:22:03
Watch a far inferior product just because a bit of sound annoys you? Yeah might give that a miss thanks.

14 Sep 2020 16:52:34
Simon Stone suggesting that the Sancho will not come through over on the BBC.

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14 Sep 2020 17:41:01
I'm going to say it now, Jadon Sancho will sign for Manchester United, or he won't.

United know what Dortmund want, United don't want to agree to that, terms with Sancho and his agent are worked out in principle, which means Sancho is at least happy to join United, even if we aren't his preferred choice.

We are now in a blinking contest with Dortmund. If we expect them to crack then we will miss out on him. Simple as that. If the club really want to sign Sancho then they just need to pony up and pay the man.

No one in the media KNOWS what will happen, at best they have a link to one side, but they don't have to full picture unless they have links to both sides. Which they don't.

Just sit back and enjoy the sunshine, we've signed DvdB, we look like signing Reguilon. We have several players in our squad who are young and developing, any of whom could make a big step forward in their progress. We have signed a plethora of young players to join our academy, any of which could be in the first team squad in a few years.

We can't change the course of the club, either we will or we won't make more signings, either they will or they won't work out well, either our young players will kick on or they won't. Maybe this is the season everything comes together and Ole turns us in to genuine challengers and we win a cup or maybe it will all fall apart by Christmas and we can argue amongst ourselves over who should be the next manager.

Relax.

14 Sep 2020 17:43:12
He also suggested the same for Bruno, Maguire, Wan-bissaka and James. He's a journo who is briefed by the club. Take whatever he says with a pinch of salt.

14 Sep 2020 19:57:29
No one on the media knows what is going on but it sounds like shappy does.

14 Sep 2020 20:33:18
Sancho is worth no where near the amount that Dortmund want. It just comes down to if we will pay it. I would not bother if it was me.

14 Sep 2020 21:56:21
Not a clue jred, just sitting back waiting to see if we sign anyone else. I hope we do, but I'm not going to spend the next three weeks on tenterhooks jumping every time a 14 year old makes up a fake Twitter account as an "in the know" agent spouting about this signing or that signing.

14 Sep 2020 23:01:24
Good post Shappy, very true.

15 Sep 2020 07:10:29
At this point I can’t see a move materializing.

Although I never placed much significance in Dortmund’s deadline of August 10th, we’ve reached a point where selling Sancho really doesn’t make much sense on their end.

The season has begun and his contract is long enough that they’ll be able to get as much for him next season as they would next (perhaps more still if he has a good season) . There’s not a lot of time to sort out a replacement either and even if they were able to find a suitable player who is also available, other clubs would likely raise the price a little due to how late in the window we are and how much the Dortmund would have received from us. It could also take a bit of time for any new signing to acclimatize and settle in to life at the club.

Assuming they have no pressing financial issues that need to be addressed imminently, waiting until next summer makes a lot of sense for them.

Conversely, if we really want Sancho, this summer was always going to be the time to sign him. Next summer he will likely cost even more and perhaps more significantly, other clubs may be in a position where they can rival us for his signature. Even if we do somehow get the deal over the line this summer, it will have been a poor window if only for how much time has been wasted on a target whose price was made perfectly clear months ago.

15 Sep 2020 15:07:27
What other clubs do you think will realistically try to sign him? I don't really see too much competitors. Real Madrid are supposed to go after Mbappe, which is a very big deal, and they won't need Sancho too. Chelsea already bought enough of attackers. I suppose he wouldn't go back to City. Liverpool doesn't seem to have enough money, Barcelona as well. Things could change, but I'm not so sure there will be many buyers next summer as well.

{Ed004's Note - Chelsea could easily go back in for him next summer if he becomes a fairer price, Liverpool if one of Mane or Salah move (Salah seems keen on the Spanish sides) and PSG when Mbappe needs replaced will be after a star attacker. This is our only chance at a free run at him imo}

15 Sep 2020 21:48:09
I could partially agree on that Ed004. I suppose PSG could be an option, but it is questionable if he would want to go to France, as I heard, he would prefer playing and living in England. I still don't think Chelsea will go for him next season, if they didn't go for him now. They had a good chance now as well, but they opted for Haverc. Liverpool story seems likely, but has too many "ifs". Not sure they would give 120 mil for Sancho, if they won't pay 30 mil for Thiago. Also, I guess they would want over 100 mil for Mane or Salah, so it is questionable if Barcelona would pay that - maybe they would do a swap with Dembele.
Who knows, time will tell.

14 Sep 2020 12:48:15
Fabrizio Romano confirms a bid is imminent for Reguilon from United.
Player is training separately and Sevilla are out of the race.

{Ed002's Note - Sergio Reguilon (LWB) has been assessed on return from Sevilla (and keep in mind that Real Madrid need to raise significant sums through sales) and the decision is "we want him next year" but could let him go with a buy back option. As such, RM have yet to decide whether to let SR have another season on loan at Sevilla (which they would like) but with no option to buy (as they don't have the funds to buy him now) and the re-integrate him when Mendy's contract is up or whether to integrate him now and lose perhaps €25M of much needed revenue. There is also a push to integrate a couple of fine youngsters in to the Real Madrid first team squad. A change to Kia Joorabchian as his agent means the player is considering his options - but Kia's team Arsenal won't be interested unless they were to lose Kieran Tierney. Spurs are looking to sign a LB and have asked to be kept informed of progress but money is pretty tight and they are less attractive to other sides right now - but they could strike a deal which suits all parties. PSG have the LB issue to resolve and have also been asked to be kept informed but much will surround what happens with Bernat. Chelsea had Reguilon on their list of LB options and cannot sign their first choice - but they have a concern that he is so one footed it may affect his game in England as it will make him less versatile in a faster game and they have Chilwell - so they can be removed from the equation. He has been offered to Manchester United and thet will give the opportunity for the amateurs to give Williams a good kick in the gonads. Everton are apparently reported to have made an offer but clubs don't usually work that way and simply throw offers out there - Real Madrid know nothing of it, but they may have made an enquiry with Kia in case Lucas Digne were to move on. Inter and Juventus could join Napoli with interest from Italy - with Napoli looking to replace Faouzi Ghoulam but not keen on any weird buy-back clause.}

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14 Sep 2020 13:14:40
ED002,

What are your thoughts on Williams?
He certainly looks a player with a lot fo potential. But if Utd signed SR then I'd imagine he would perhaps seek a loan move away?

Are there any plans to sell Shaw?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any intention to sell LS or loan BW.}

14 Sep 2020 13:17:11
Cheers ed002. So for Madrid, they are happy to sell but want a buy back clause. But I'm sure United will not want that.

{Ed002's Note - That is what negotiation is for.}

14 Sep 2020 13:27:10
Sure ed. Well hopefully it goes United's way, a very good player.

Thanks again for the info. While you are here ed002, has there been any more progress made with any other possible targets?

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Not since Pini left London last week as I explained. He is for now tied up trying to resolve another issue.}

14 Sep 2020 13:57:01
Reguilon was voted La Liga's best left back.

He showed his attacking capabilities against us in the Europa semi.

14 Sep 2020 14:13:00
We've never quite got the Luke Shaw we thought we were getting from Southampton. I thought he looked a decent option on the left side of a three man defence last season.

Williams hasn't blown me away but is young and homegrown so I can see the attachment but I'd love to see Reguilon come in, even if LB doesn't seem a priority.

{Ed047's Note - I’d say you could definitely do better there so if he’s an improvement, which looks likely then get him in and offload Shaw.

14 Sep 2020 14:43:31
Is the issue Pini trying to solve regarding Alaba's contract situation ed02?
Maybe we can try and get him instead ;)

{Ed002's Note - Yes it is.}

14 Sep 2020 14:57:05
I'd like to see Williams switched back to his natural RB position. There's enough games for him and AWB and the two are very different types of player. AWB is solid and his defensive mentality suits the bigger fixtures while BW is more adventurous so should get plenty of opportunities in home and cup games. He's still a baby so plenty of time for him.

If we bring in Reguilón again we have a very different type of LB to Shaw, who as mentioned above, seems comfortable on the left of a back 3.

I think we'd have a great balance in the full back positions if we signed him.

I like Dalot but he seems out of favour.

14 Sep 2020 15:33:27
Deependra, I've said a few times recently that Alaba is who we should be looking at. Fantastic player.

Ed with Pini dealing with Alaba does that mean any reports of a deal for Telles being close are wide of the mark?

{Ed002's Note - No it doesn't exclude that.}

14 Sep 2020 15:37:17
Many thanks Ed002. If Alaba is the issue, we should've tried to get him :)

14 Sep 2020 15:53:45
The issue with Shaw is that on average over the past 6 years he is fit 55% of the time. When he has played he has been decent without being spectacular. He provides a good overlap option who is comfortable on the ball and good in defence.

He has also been excellent as a LCB when we have played with a back three.

I think Williams has done a great job considering last season. However, my gut says he would be far more comfortable and perform better if he played more on his more natural RB position.

AWB looked jaded towards the end of the season and I think he will need more rotation this season.

So signing a LB who is left footed and more adventurous would give us much more balance and cover.

14 Sep 2020 16:26:31
Agree with that Shappy. I think Shaw benefits positionally by having a player either side of him.

He's all over the place at LB but seems steady at LCB.

14 Sep 2020 17:24:26
RJ
I can't think of a better player we could target instead of Alaba. Dare I say it he would be a perfect player to sign for the defence.

But I don't realistically see him moving to us.

14 Sep 2020 17:47:38
Wazza, I would say Shaw is a solid 7 out of 10 player. He does a good job without being a standout. He makes very few mistakes, but at the same time he doesn't often make game changing actions.

Whether at LB or at LCB he covers well, is good with the ball at his feet, tackles cleanly and is good in the air. Going forward he is quick, doesn't lose the ball, and offers a solid option on the overlap. Yet if there is a real criticism of his game it is that for a player who gets forward as often as he does he doesn't directly get involved in shot taking actions either through shooting himself or by playing the telling pass to create the shooting chance. A more creative and offensively threatening player might open up a new dimension to our attack and make us that bit more potent going forward.

I'd argue with AWB on the opposite flank, and with Rashford looking to play inside left rather than wide left that a great attacking LB would provide more balance and make more space for Rashford.

14 Sep 2020 16:32:04
Earlier i was getting offended with repetitive use of Amature word, but finally, i will agree that this board is not only ameture but useless too.

14 Sep 2020 21:38:24
Ed002 why don’t real sell Mendy now then?

If they aren’t going to renew and want Regiulon back next year to take his spot.

Would sound more logic to me to keep Reguilon and sell Mendy now before letting him leave on a free next season.

Or did I misunderstand?

{Ed002's Note - They don’t want to and there is no interest.}

15 Sep 2020 04:04:20
Do you mean Ferland Mendy Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Of course.}

15 Sep 2020 14:16:14
I thought he had a contract til 2023 Ed002 but might be mistaken.

{Ed002's Note - It should have said Marcelo.}

12 Sep 2020 21:49:41
See Reguilon and Bale trained separately from the rest of the RM team last week. Ed is there any whispers of us approaching Bale for a possible loan as a stop gap to return for sancho next year?

I have read this week that real are willing to pay a large percentage of his wages to gwt him out of the squad?

Does this have any legs? I would be happy to have him on loan for a year!

{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid are looking to sell Bale not send him out on loan.}

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12 Sep 2020 22:53:38
Just out of interest ed002 what sort of fee would they command?

{Ed002's Note - About €25M.}

12 Sep 2020 23:44:50
Thanks ed002 👍.

13 Sep 2020 00:06:10
Make a cheeky offer of 20 million euros and if he would accept lower wages it coukd be a decent signing for a year or 2.


Would give us options to address other areas.


Bale on his day and fit is quality but you don't want to be in a situation of a sanchez type signing again.

13 Sep 2020 05:08:16
I’m somewhat amazed that they are asking for a free considering the wages that he’s on and the number of appearances he makes for them. I like to believe that there isn’t anybody out there who is stupid enough to sign an inconsistent player with a poor attitude who’s on such ridiculous wages and for a ridiculous fee. but given Ed Woodward’s history.

13 Sep 2020 05:31:40
Why would he leave a 3 year contract with crazy wages, playing in a club were he is guaranteed to win stuff, to sign a 2 year contract with a smaller team, and on top of that take a pay ut?

13 Sep 2020 06:19:05
You appear to have spelled your name incorrectly.

13 Sep 2020 05:28:39
Hi Ed, thanks for the info as always. Do you think Bale still has something to offer as a player, providing he stays fit?

{Ed002's Note - In his 30s it won't be for long - but a short-term solution.}

13 Sep 2020 10:01:04
The only way I'd want us to sign Bale is if his contract was heavily performance based pay. Basic salary of say 120k per week, with the rest based on actually playing and performing.

For too long he has drifted along at Real Madrid showing no fight, commitment or passion to get back playing regularly. He has ignored doctors advice and played golf while injured, potentially exasperating injuries and delaying recovery time. The only time he has considered leaving Real Madrid was for a 1m a week deal in China.

Quite simply I don't think he has the desire to play football anymore.

{Ed047's Note - he must be a million miles away from being fit enough to play for some time too.

13 Sep 2020 10:15:38
Avoid like the plague.

13 Sep 2020 11:28:22
Bigger mistake than Sanchez. At least Sanchez still wants to play football. Bale has no desire, completely checked out of his career.

13 Sep 2020 14:05:30
Just the wrong signing imo just from a football perspective a guy in his 30's who's not played for a while and is heavily reliant on his pace it is just asking for trouble.

13 Sep 2020 14:23:04
I tbink its unfair to say Bale has no desire to play football. From the outside looking in it seems to me that he does want to play but Zidane does not want him. If that is true and that as various journalists have reported over the years that Bale was frozen out and offered around I can quite believe he might feel insulted.

He has been a fantastic footballer and I think been treated shabbily by Madrid IF the reports are true. You do not win so many titles and become man of the match in a champions league final if you are rubbish.

It may even work in his favour that because he has not played so much latterly he might be able to play at a higher level for longer. A fit Bale would definitely help Utd but I agree with others it should be on a pay per play contract.

13 Sep 2020 16:12:58
A loan could work, permanent could backfire. If we have a player with a point to prove and the right attitude it would work, but somebody just picking up a high wage and no effort then it's Sanchez mark 2. I think these few years hardly playing can work for him long term, less wear and tear on his body and he should be pretty fresh.

13 Sep 2020 17:18:32
Such a shame. I always hoped he'd end up here at some point. Lad's been doing himself no favours whatsoever. Could you see Messi or Ronaldo being happy to sit on the bench, rather than take a pay cut and go and play football somewhere else?

13 Sep 2020 17:21:21
If Sancho deal is difficult, Bale should be signed only if it is an incentiviced deal.

13 Sep 2020 17:49:52
Dive, dive, dive, avoid, avoid, avoid, run away!

14 Sep 2020 16:27:48
Why go after Bale if we could go after James Rodriguez

12 Sep 2020 18:02:02
Interestingly now talk of Thiago, for me a great player, still only 29, and quoted around 30 mill. Get him in for that price and sell off Pogba (28yrs now) for 60 -70 mill and personally l think we are a better team. Thiago, VDB and Bruno would be a great 3 in the middle with Rash, Martial and maybe Sancho or Greenwood. Put the Pogba money towards a CB, just saying.

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12 Sep 2020 18:19:23
Whos paying 60/ 70 mil for pogba in this market?

Also thiago vdb and bruno would still concern me defensively as much as pogba, vdb and bruno does. Would have to be 2 out off the 3 starting most weeks which isn't a problem as we need squad depth in midfield.

12 Sep 2020 18:45:34
This is what makes me laugh about the current situation surrounding Pogba.

Pogba and Thiago are a similar age, both world cup winners, both have a year left on their contracts, both considered world class and one of the best midfielders in the world.

Bayern being realistic value Thiago at around 30m in the current climate with a year left on his deal. Yet most United fans still value Pogba at around the 60m mark, while the club value him in excess of 100m.

It's laughable. If Thiago is available for 30m, then the most we can expect for Pogba is 40m seeing as he is 18 months younger. However, his wages are far greater than Thiago's which will make it harder for other clubs to match them reducing the number of options he has.

He has been a great player for us, but now is the time to sell him for whatever we can, 30-40m. Thank him for his efforts, keep things friendly and reinvest in another player.

12 Sep 2020 19:34:47
Pogba has 1+1 year contract. Is 18 months younger and theoritically less injury prone.
He was great? I am shocked.

12 Sep 2020 19:38:45
"he has been a great player for us"? Go home your drunk😂😂😂.

12 Sep 2020 19:39:48
Pogba is 27 years old not 28 redcon so he is 2 years younger than Thiago.

I think selling Pogba might be the best decision for the club in the long term.

{Ed047's Note - that and Thiago is twice the player

12 Sep 2020 20:12:11
Twice the player ha the agenda against our own continues. Better player or not surely Shappy you understand when you buy a Pogba he is the face of the club he brings more media attention and sponsorship then any other player we have wether you like it or not its what makes Pogba more expensive then a Thiago or most players. Sponsors do not line up to get a Thiago on board as an example.

12 Sep 2020 20:18:58
pogba runs like he's 40.

12 Sep 2020 20:29:04
mnk he has an agenda against our club because he speaks the truth? Pogba hasn't even give his all in 3 match in a row. He only brought problems at our club and he is not half as good as he (you) think he is. Football is not only a good pass a good asist and a good highlight here and there. Tiago is twice the player Pogba is.

{Ed047's Note - agenda? Love it🤦‍♂️🤣

12 Sep 2020 20:34:54
Pogba has been one of our best outfield players since he signed.

A player is worth what someone will pay for them. No one will offer us more than 40m so he isn't worth more than that.

Fact is next summer he will be worth nothing to us as his contact will be up.

12 Sep 2020 20:49:05
mk we will not win many games with sponsors.

12 Sep 2020 21:18:50
The disrespect on his name is amazing the guy literally has carried the team many a time but you will always choose to overlook it.

{Ed047's Note - it’s not disrespectful to be honest about a player and can you tell me what games he’s carried you in.

Most of the time he looks like a passenger and if Bruno hasn’t shown you what a real quality midfielder should be doing week in week out then you really are missing something.

Thiago makes a difference every week, every game, he doesn’t have a highlight reel and he doesn’t walk around in games.

Ask Shappy how good he is, he wanted him here before he went to Bayern Munich.

12 Sep 2020 21:25:29
The agenda is simple herrera he's the one player people are ready to throw under the bus before all others no matter how bad the other players are. He's the one player despite what he does on the pitch wether he plays or not people want to find fault with him and blame him.

People can hate all they want but with in the next few weeks he will sign a new contract and he isn't going anywhere. The club simply refuse to let him go but you will find that's Pogbas fault as well. He's staying get behind him.

12 Sep 2020 21:35:04
Shappy you normally speak a lot of sense, but pogba has been has been one of your best outfield players since he signed, give your head a wobble.

What percentage of matches has he played since he signed has he even hit 50%.

12 Sep 2020 21:48:31
mnk397, I don't think there is an agenda against Pogba. I think people expect more of him than other players. He is one of the most naturally talented players in the world, he has fantastic technique, pace and power along with phenomenal stamina and natural fitness. He is a gifted player. He is also our record signing, and one of our highest paid players. He has won titles and was a key player for France as they won the world cup last time out.

As such people expect more of him than Phil Jones. To be honest if Phil didn't pull a silly face and injure himself during 90 minutes I'd be impressed.

Pogba has scored a lot of goals from midfield, he has assisted a lot as well. He has often been our best player on the pitch, even if he wasn't on the ball for the entire 90 minutes. Statistically he has surpassed pretty much every player on the pitch for us over the past 4 years.

If he leaves then fine, I'll wish him well. If not then he'll likely leave next summer for free, or at most the summer after that if the club are stupid enough. His wish is to leave, the club should allow him to go and keep some dignity.

The reality is that no one will offer more than 40m cash, or maybe a little less cash and a player they don't want and we don't need.

That is what he is worth. Sell him and move on. Many players better than Pogba have left before, and many greater than him will play for us in the future.

12 Sep 2020 21:54:24
Ofcourse, Pogba has been one of United's better performers.

Before Bruno, he was the main player who create chances and passes the ball forwards.

People judge him based on his price tag.

12 Sep 2020 21:57:20
Long time reader and 1st time poster. I for one can't get my head around some fans obsession with Pogba! I certainly can't remember a game where he has carried us. There is no doubting he has ability but for me he doesn't have the hunger! Thiago for me would be a dream signing and has that ability to dictate a game we haven't had since Scholesy! Really enjoy this site, been a reader for over 5 years! Cheers to all the info the Eds provide! Here's hoping it'll be 21 in 21 for us 😂😂.

12 Sep 2020 21:58:00
Not really sure how a post about Thiago has turned into a Pogba one.

Fact is Pogba is a passenger, he has 10 min flashes of brilliance and 80 mins he just frustrates out of you for a midfielder the main attribute you should have is work rate imo and Pogba doesn’t seem to have any.

Just to be clear I’m not a Pogba hater, I support every united player but the fact is the above is true whether you want to believe it or not.

Onto Thiago I’d love him in the United team he’s a gem of a player and despite what a majority say he’s good defensively too.

12 Sep 2020 21:39:44
Nice one Ed put pogba in the bayern team and you will soon change your tune. Setting lewandowski up instead of no movement zlatan or no touch lukaku up week in week out against them defences thing pogba would end up with 50 assists a season. Pogba dominating the world Cup semi and final shows you exactly what he can do on the biggest stage possible.

{Ed047's Note - I guess he must have been doing that at Juventus then with all the quality around him there...oh no he wasn’t was he.

But don’t let the truth get in the way of your desire to make Pogba into a players he’s not! 🤦‍♂️

12 Sep 2020 22:20:02
You pretend that you don't understand to prove your point.
Yes i throw him under the bus. Ofcourse not because he has some off days, everyone has. I do it because he is the one wanting top dollars without being a world class player and he is the one that more often than not is a problem and not trying enough.
All players can have some bad games, but the very least a top paid-player has to do is to give his all and try really hard. Bruno has showed us what means to be a really top player, yet some people don't understand the difference.
Some are quick to protect him because we disrespect his name. He disrespect my team but you have no problem with this. Really, is he bigger than the club?

12 Sep 2020 22:27:00
What are you on about Ed he was brilliant at juventus its why we bought him in the first place. Don't get it twisted the Italian league was much tougher than the German one.

Discountdave these are not facts just your opinion so you can make stuff up and call them facts doesn't make them true.

For me get a midfield of pogba bruno AND thiago with vdb and matic as back ups we would control most games and if we get sancho in with them with our other forwards that could be something special.

{Ed047's Note - of course he was, making 50 assists a season with all that talent around him.

Jesus it’s painful! 🤦‍♂️

12 Sep 2020 22:40:59
Shappy Ollie Watkins went to villa for £33 million. Pogba only worth 40? You must be fishing. If he signs a new contract is he worth 100 million again?

12 Sep 2020 22:53:35
Not trying enough are you for real he's been our best player for years because you don't see him as some passion merchant whose running around like a headless chicken he's not trying enough for you. He gets top dollar fir more than just football that might sting a lot if people but it is what it is.

Disrespects the club ok so ronaldo says he's a slave at the club and its all good Rooney before the Manchester Derby comes out and asks to leave BEFORE a game and its all good ddg was desperate to leave if it was not for not a fax machine but its all good but because pogba thinks the club isn't showing enough ambition and were holding him here let me repeat that the club have held him here not the other way around he's the one whose been disrespecting the club.

You say he's causing problems yet the manager and players have repeatedly said hea been a perfect professional ofcourse that doesn't suit the media narrative so its ignored completely.

Maguire is doing his thing in Greece. Greenwood is doing his thing in Iceland. Giggs and all his antics over the years yet its pogba whose the one whose disrespecting the club!

13 Sep 2020 00:06:41
Mnk i said the same with Rooney, about Ronaldo too. But hey, when we didn't allow Ronaldo leave he stayed and gave his 101%. Greenwood made a big mistake that i am not happy with him but yet he didn't try to leave the club for over two years like Pogba does and he gives his all when he plays. Some comparisons are really emparassing.
I don't have a problem with Pogba, i don't have a problem with any player. I believe too that he is a nice guy, i only criticize what i see on the pitch and the fact that while he clearly believe that he is a world class player, a luxury player that he mustnt put much defencive effort and wants to leave, yet he didn't bring a decent bid to his team. A world class player, a world cup winner at his peak but none wants to give a decent fee for him. It is strange, isn't it?

13 Sep 2020 01:12:01
Makes me laugh when shappy decides what he thinks a player is worth and we all have to take it as fact. The truth is Thiago may go for £30 million because Bayern value him at that. I'd rather pogba stay for 2 more years and leave for free than get £40 million in todays market. What does that buy you these days anyway? Maybe that's why the club value him more.

{Ed0666's Note - I bet you Masons happy crack Thiago don’t go for £30 mill.

12 Sep 2020 23:36:52
ed 47 no good knocking when there's nobody there.

{Ed047's Note - my thoughts exactly daz

13 Sep 2020 08:36:23
People saying PP isn’t a good player are hilarious. “Didn’t pull up trees at Juventus” - he was outstanding for them. Just about their best player in a team that won everything each year.

Since he’s been here, how many ‘top quality’ players has he played alongside? Zero? Maybe one? Fact is, he’s been playing with our worst midfield and strike force in 20 years. Yes he can flatter to deceive sometimes, but it must’ve been frustrating playing with the likes of Andreas and crew over the years. It’s no coincidence that he still looks unplayable when playing for France alongside Kante et al.

13 Sep 2020 09:17:38
Pogba is bang average as far as I'm concerned, no desire, no real commitment and we have only become better since Bruno, a real quality player signed, Pogba is a passenger in a team he has no right to be in tbh, Thiago is another far superior player, if Pogba was so good why wasn't he driving us forward like Bruno did instantly, why with France and Juve did the better players around Pogba carry him, he's a nice lad I'm sure and has talent but has no idea how to consistently influence a game, sooner he's off the better.

13 Sep 2020 09:50:53
This thread is some laugh! It's pretty simple really. Since pogba has arrived in the team he has slow motion jogged through games, pulling skill moves deep in his own half, losing possession in dangerous areas, and not provided any defensive cover. He hasn't made the players around him any better whatsoever. If only he'd had as many decent games as he's had haircuts? Since Bruno has arrived he has been infectious. His work rate has set the tone, he plays with a smile on his face, the whole team seems to click into a higher gear when he's on the pitch, and then there's the quality in the final third. He makes the players around him better. That's how you can tell a top player.

13 Sep 2020 10:17:29
Up until last season (which Pogba was out injured for 90% of it) no player had scored more goals or created more assists than Pogba in the three years since he signed.

While I'll accept that he often gives the impression of not trying, and many people myself included feel he could be doing better. The fact remains he has carried the team in terms of goal creation for three years. You don't do that if you are a poor player.

You don't start for the ridiculously over packed and supremely talented French national side if you are a crap player. You could name 10 French players who won't make the squad for an international tournament who would be first choice for 99% of other countries.

Yes his silly haircuts and his jet set life make him an easy target, just as it did for Beckham. Yet the same thing is often said about Pogba as was about Beckham from those who work closely with them. They are perfect professionals, eat right, train well, work hard and avoid drink, drugs and women.

If/ when Pogba leaves we will lose one of our best players. No doubt. If he wants to leave then the club shouldn't stop him or get in his way. The idea that he will be easy to replace is a falacy. Fred and McTominay work exceptionally hard, but neither are capable of what Pogba can do.

As for what he is worth? I'm not picking out figures here. Quite simply he is only worth what someone will pay for it. I could put my house on the market for £1m, but if no one will pay more than 500k for it then guess how much it is worth.

There are lots of factors with what a player is worth, their impact on the field, their wages, their resale value, their growth potential and their marketability are just some of the factors.

Fact is no one is prepared to pay 100m for Pogba, no one is prepared to pay 80m, no one is prepared to pay 60m, we might find one maybe two clubs that will pay 40m.

We sell him this summer or he leaves for free. Regardless of any extension option we have. So he is worth nothing or the maximum we can get for him this summer. Which would be around the 40m mark.

13 Sep 2020 11:36:22
I will be very happy when Pogba leaves Utd and a proper footballer plays instead of him.

Pogba is just the idea of a good footballer. He is very ineffective and is often a liability.

13 Sep 2020 11:54:17
Things get blown somewhat out of proportion here with a few voices seemingly seen as gospel. if Pogba starts Utd's games this month and has a good impact on the side, he is suddenly indispensible and worth double the fee thrown around above. I think/ hope/ believe (most likely fantasise) that he will look a little more like his old self and who knows, sign a new contract! Positivity!

13 Sep 2020 12:26:43
I hope you don't mind me putting the toys back in. Look at the mess of that floor 😂.

13 Sep 2020 14:40:27
Easy to point out how many goals and assists PP has racked up, but what about the goals we conceded because he didn't bother tracking a run, or because he tried to show off and gave the ball away in our own half?

Ander Herrera was the best midfielder we've had in recent years prior to Bruno's arrival. Pogba is a passenger, coasting his way to millions while he waits for a move to a team he actually wants to play for.

And for the record, I was among his biggest fans before he came back to us, and I was overjoyed when he signed.

13 Sep 2020 14:42:10
Andreas - championship level at best.
Fred - awful first season, better this, but not creative.
McTom - Darren Fletcher mk.2 (not necessarily a bad thing but still) .
Lingard - Mo Farah can run and his goals/ assists record would’ve been similar.
Mata - nice with the ball at his feet but struggles to get hold of it due to pace, also requires 6 touches constantly.

I’m intrigued. To all of the PP haters, who out of the above would you rather have started games ahead of him over the past two seasons?

Yes, he flatters to deceive, but we’ve certainly had no alternatives (different now, granted) and he’s been surrounded by sh! te during most of his time back here.

13 Sep 2020 16:04:57
Like playing chess with a pigeon 😂.

13 Sep 2020 16:38:57
The excuse for Pogba is that always surrounded by sh. Never his fault. 4 years you are debating which players must Pogba have next to him to take most of him. Pogba at 10, starting from depper making late runs, with Herrera and Matic making the dirty work, then no Matic is too slow and old to run for two. Then we must have someone like Verrati or Tiago to pass him the ball. Then the fault is we have no runners in our team to make the most of him etc.
Thats right in some extend, but put me in a team with Pirlo Vidal Marchisio or in a team with Cante Matuindi and Griezman-Empampe at front, having only to provide some tricks and passes, and i would seem good myself.
The truth is Pogba must have world class players around him to take care of him, because he is not world class. At Juve and France that's exactly what he had, world class players who took care of him.
Bruno is what fans thought Pogba is, and his game is much more than goals and asists, he tries hard and tries to make his mates and the team better. In the other hand Pogba wants better mates and better team to take care of him, huge difference.

12 Sep 2020 17:13:53
Apparently our path to Sergio Reguilon has become a little more straightforward.

Sevilla are expected to sign Marcos Acuna from Sporting Lisbon for around €10m, €8m upfront and €2m in add ons.

They were quoted €3m to loan Reguilon again. His wages are almost €1m euros higher than Acuna.

So they would pay net €4m more for a permanent 4 year contract and andecent player, linked with Juve and Bayern 2 or 3 years back

There are also talks coming from Madrid that Real are prepared to remove their demand for a buy back, but are still trying to get €30m package for a player they don't want. Utd won't go above €20m currently so not exactly nailed on, but possibly more likely as no loan option exists as an alternative.

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12 Sep 2020 17:50:20
25mill would be a great deal and a compromise for both sides. Problem is we probably won’t move from our offer and miss out.

12 Sep 2020 18:50:01
With Sevilla signing another player and no longer pursuing the player on loan or in a permanent deal the options for Real Madrid have reduced.

Their preference was for a loan back to Sevilla.

Now it looks like that option has gone. We are the only serious interest left, Spurs maybe but they need to raise funds first.

I'd say Madrid's options as it stands are probably sell him to us for between €25-30m without a buy back clause, or sell him to Spurs for €18-20m with a buy back clause.

Unless another buyer/ loan club step forward.

My gut says he'll be a United player before the end of the window.

12 Sep 2020 19:53:59
Hope your right shappy, I have to admit that uniteds transfer policy has me very frustrated, trying not to be but it has. Would have liked signings in to integrate and train with the squad but that ship has now sailed. Big few weeks coming up I hope they deliver.

12 Sep 2020 22:17:29
I am told the player wants Champions League Shappy and sees Utd as having a project to drive his ambitions to be a regular in the Spanish National team.

As you say, we could get the deal done quickly were we to up our overall offer.

That's unlikely currently but may chnage if we can move at least one player out on a permanent deal.

11 Sep 2020 11:06:45
Ed002 do you happen to know if we have signed Charlie McNeill from City, and Ed01 do you happen to know how good a prospect he is?

If we have then this is another talent added to list of youth talent we have picked up this summer.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The plan is to sign Charlie McNeill but compensation has to be agreed.}

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11 Sep 2020 12:57:22
Was about to say the same Pog. Nice addition. We are building up some team of 16-18 year olds. Exciting 3 - 5 years ahead. If they can go in and give us 5 -6 quality first team players in that time we would have done well.

11 Sep 2020 14:00:36
Pog

Thought I replied to this but yes rumours he can’t sign professionally until 17th birthday which is this month. City and United prefer to agree compensation, possibly circa £1m, rather than wait 2 months for a tribunal. Originally in Uniteds academy moved to City 6 years ago, scored over 600 goals. No official word but the lad has been liking United players posts on social media.

11 Sep 2020 14:22:59
Seemingly £1,000,000 will do the trick.

11 Sep 2020 13:03:40
Hi ED02 - thank you very much for coming back to me on this. What do you make of all of our youth signings so far, and do you happen to know of any other planned signings for the youth ranks?

Have a great day and weekend Simon.

{Ed002's Note - I know nothing more of them than they are well respected.}

11 Sep 2020 15:50:24
The reality with youth players is if 1 or 2 make it in the first team from each youth level then you are doing well. We should aim for 4 or 5, but if we get a couple a year that would be phenomenal.

We have Rashford, McTominay, Tuanzebe and Henderson who are all 22/ 23 and came from the same youth side.

We have Greenwood, Williams, Laird, Mengi, Garner, Levitt, Chong who are all 18/ 19.

Of that 11 I can see 6 or 7 who have a chance of making as first team players, while the rest could become good squad players.

That would be a phenomenal return from our academy. While the likes of Mejbri, the three Spanish lads, the two from Sunderland and Charlie McNeil. Adds 7 more top quality young players to our academy. Which already boasts some very good young players.

We could well have 10-15 of our 25 man squad be academy graduates in 3-5 years time. Which really would be doing things the United way.

11 Sep 2020 16:09:35
Maybe isn't as bleak as people mske out,

11 Sep 2020 16:19:19
I know Charlie very well as my boy was with him at Utd before he went to City. He’s a good kid as are his family. Excellent goal scorer but lots of aspects he needs to work on. His nose was pushed out at City when they bought Delap. i'm on the fence about him but definitely worth a punt. Only went to City as they provided him with private education which Utd weren’t doing at the time for the younger lads.

11 Sep 2020 19:37:10
The Youth signings have been great this year from what I have seen of them. They all seem held in high regard aswell. The future looks bright, we have some decent young players already. Hannibal looks like the cream of the crop, I've been impressed with him along with mengi and pugimal. Hope a couple If not all of them get some game time this season.

11 Sep 2020 20:26:37
Great insight, cheers Blackpool 👌👍.

12 Sep 2020 04:54:14
Personally I’m very excited to see Ethan Laird, Mengi, Mejbri, Jurado, Elanga, Hoogewerf develop. I’m hoping Levitt’s loan to Charlton helps his development alongside Garner to possibly Blackburn. Chong seems to have started well in Germany as well.

12 Sep 2020 09:10:20
600 goals in youth team, sounds like an awesome prospect.

12 Sep 2020 10:43:03
Pog

I read about him a couple of months ago. He started in our academy but then moved to City, scored a lot of goals for them, something in my head says 600, but now feels unappreciated at City.

Just looked now and reports say he will cost just under £1m, to stop going to a tribunal. City are said to be negotiating over various clauses in the agreement. A tribunal could drag the saga out for several months, which both clubs would be keen to avoid. City are not happy to lose him. He can’t sign professionally until he is 17 and his 17th Birthday is this month. Over the past few weeks he has been regularly ‘liking’ United posts on Instagram, those of the United’s players.

He was coveted by several significant foreign clubs. Looks like another potentially very good signing at youth level.

 


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