30 Oct 2014 17:48:30
Gagus
Have a look at the falling outs at ajax and barcelona as well.

jred
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For fallouts, perhaps we should look no further than our very own legendary manager who recently retired.

1.) 30 Oct 2014
Gagus
Not even on the same level pal .

But this is getting a bit boring .
So i will go back to my op.
I don't think munich would ever re employ lvg.
Due to the fact he had major issues with every member of the board and several of the playing staff. On top of this munich finished 4 .
Its well documented that lvg has 1 or 2 issues which played a major role in him getting sacked by munich after 2 year barcelona after 6 month and ajax after 6 month.
He makes fergy look quite chilled out.

Thats a part of his character read his book he is quite open about .
Not sure why you have such a problem with it,

2.) 31 Oct 2014
Don't have a problem with it at all, he's a fiery character, everyone knows that. Certaonly causes more problems than it solves.

But it's just our own Sir Alex fell out with the owners and we ended up with the Glazers. He fell out with players like RVN, Rooney, Stam, Keane, Beckham etc. and also has had numerous touchline bans for his rants at refs.

I don't see how winning the league title at every club you have been can be seen as average. He's clearly top class when he applies his mind to the development of the playing squad.

Also, he's won 7 league titles in 20 years, not 4. Why you have excluded the Eredivisie titles he won is beyond me. And if you want to look at it properly, he's won 16 trophies in 20 years.

That for me, is top class, considering that 6 of those 20 years were taken up with 2 spells as Dutch manager, 1 year as Technical Director at Ajax and 1 year out of the game after Bayern.

3.) 31 Oct 2014
Gagus
Lol i don't think you know a thing about lvg other than what you have read in the paper.

Look at your op trying to argue that he didn't have issues at munich based on a comment from lahm

The problem is when you continue to cut and paste bits from my from my post you lose the overall point.
I actually think you are arguing from 3 different threads.

1- i don't think munich or bayern would have him back- as i explained he fell out with the whole board at munich . Even held a press conference with the directors where he gave them his book and said you should read this you might learn something.
Imo sammer, hoesness and co who continue to have a go at him to this day in the press would not re employ him.

I also don't see him going to barcelona infact i don't think he would even work in spain again.

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At ajax the first time he done a great job as i have said SEVERAL times but in the 20 years since he left he has won 4 league titles and no cl league .
2 of them titles at barcelona 15 years ago .
As i have said i don't think he has reproduced the form or success he had at ajax.
de boer has won 4 titles in the last 4 year, conte 3 in the last 4 jose 7 in the last 10.
ancelloti has 3 champions league titles in the last 12 years year .
in the last 12 year lvg has been sacked by barcelona after 6 months when they where 3 points of relegation.
sacked by ajax after 6 month.
moved on from the dutch squad after they failed to qualify for the world cup.
sacked from munich after less than 2 year with them in 4 place

Like i have said many many times he is a decent manager who tends to fall out with players and staff, has maybe built his reputation over 20 years ago at the wonderful ajax but has not reached the same heights since.
infact his 2 big jobs at barcelona and munich didn't end well.
i don't follow the he is 100% going to bring titles based on his past.cv.

I look forward to seeing which part of this post you cut and paste.

4.) 31 Oct 2014
Where do you get your information from? Van gaal has won 6 titles in the last 20 years and four of those years he was managing the Netherlands. I don't disagree with the fact that he's an abrasive personality but why do you keep arguing with false figures. You can't keep telling others that they know nothing about van gaal when you can't even get his honours right

5.) 31 Oct 2014
Jred - These are my exact concerns, coupled with the fact that he has said we will do one thing and then we end up doing another consistently. When he does this people blame it on the language barrier, yet when they agree with what he says 'LVG makes perfect sense', it cuts both ways surely. Maybe he falls out with the people that eventually dare to call him out on his BS (normally top players with confidence), which is why he leaves problems everywhere he goes?

There was an interesting thread the other day about his use of the word "Philosophy" and the general consensus was he didn't understand the meaning properly because of the language barrier, so he gets the benefit of the doubt again - just an idea but maybe one of the hundreds of people he works with or numerous journalists could have the balls to point this out to him so he doesn't continue to annoy people with his misuse and repetitiveness, but no, they are all scared of the big bad Dutch Man.

Characters like LVG blame everyone but themselves and won't tolerate any form of criticism, but as soon as someone pipes up and shows him to be wrong, all these secret critics will jump on the band wagon. Most people love to pull an arrogant SOB down a peg or two, especially if he is the Man Utd manager.

This is why I think it will be a disaster, his approach is old school, his whole way of being is counter productive for this generation. His confidence and aura (arrogance) could have been a massive benefit, but there is zero humility, which is vital if you are to be successful even short term at a big club in the modern age. There are a lot of egos around Old Trafford, having to keep swallowing it will mean they either leave or we end up with robots.

6.) 31 Oct 2014
Snakey
He has won 4 titles since he left ajax which was my point but you are quite right that was 17 years ago not 20 .
I think the point remains the same

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7.) 31 Oct 2014
And a film

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8.) 31 Oct 2014
I'm not ar5ed with this anymore. No he hasn't had a good start, of course he hasn't, nobody has denied that. But surely you can see why people are more patient with him than Moyes?

And yes he failed at Barcelona, and the first time around with Netherlands. Again nobody is denying that either. He did not fail at Bayern, he was a success because he brought them back to the top end of Europe and won the double in his first season. He has more success than failure and he mostly leaves a club in better shape, with a better base than when he took over.

9.) 01 Nov 2014
Fair enough jred. So that's 4 titles in 13 years of club football, 4 years of which was at AZ alkmar. He also won cups, German manager of the year whilst at bayern amongst other plaudits. He's not everyone's cup of tea of course but he's not got a bad record so to argue he's average is a bit myopic. I personally think he's been poor so far, he seems like he's been too arrogant but the team is starting to gel and I guess we all hope he can turn things around and be successful here.