21 Dec 2023 14:12:53
HI ed002

Would it possible to provide an update on Mason Greenwood as there quite a few stories floating around about interest from various clubs and some giants like Real Madrid and what United plan to do.

Thanks again,

{Ed002's Note - Mason Greenwood (F) Time to move on - Offered to Marseille and Atalanta. Turkey or the Middle East might provide permanent options. Atletico Madrid or Real Sociedad may offer an option but the fee will be too high for Getafe to buy but they will try to find a creative solution.}

1.) 21 Dec 2023
21 Dec 2023 16:52:19
Frustratingly exactly the player we need and he's already ours. Oh well.

2.) 21 Dec 2023
21 Dec 2023 21:39:45
Probably very naive of me but i find the clubs linked with signing Greenwood ridiculous.

All have official womens teams linked with them and sizeable womens fanbases.

Also last time i checked Spain and Italy don't exactly treat women as second class citizens yet a fair few would sign Greenwood at the drop of a hat.

{Ed001's Note - are you jokinmg? Spain and Italy very much do treat them as second class citizens. It is only fairly recently that girls were able to go to school in Spain, as they were unable to do so under Franco. When my parents lived there, they would take classes in reading and writing Spanish and there were all the older women from the village taking it too as none of them knew how to read or write due to no education. Spain outside of the tourist areas is very third world.}

3.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 00:58:20
Ed001 is very right and I went over over to Jerez De la Frontera and it is very much much rural.

4.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 01:58:44
Italy isn’t much better. Not too long ago I was reading about a case where a janitor who groped a schoolgirl got away Scott free because he *only* did so for 5-10 seconds.

5.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 02:00:33
DSG

Come on mate, don't be daft.

Just the mere mention of Luis Rubiales should serve as example enough of just how insignificant women and any extraordinary achievement they can produce is to be viewed by any Spanish man who might presume to position himself as a superior in any capacity.

Half my wife's family are from Madrid and, even in an area of such comparative affluence and liberalism, women are still effectively told to know their place - let's just say she doesn't visit much.

Greenwood will be fine in Spain.

6.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 04:09:07
Fair enough, am pretty naive on this topic as have not lived in Spain or Italy, explains why he's settled in really well there and Getafe were happy to post him all over thier socials.

7.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 06:36:49
The charges were dropped, why would he had a problem anywhere?

Such a bad decision if we let him go.

8.) 22 Dec 2023
22 Dec 2023 08:46:56
Very difficult subject and a lot of emotions involved.

From a cold perspective he’s not been proven guilty of anything and the survivor lives with him and has child.

I think some of the hatred of Greenwood is redirected hate of Man Utd. Reaction is nowhere near the same as other players who’ve been accused of similar.

I wouldn’t take him back unless there’s a full disclosure of what happened. Otherwise he has to go.

9.) 23 Dec 2023
23 Dec 2023 06:21:48
I hope we get good value selling him. he cost us nothing so it will go straight to our bottom line and help with our FFP issues. Given his age and his talent but also the luggage he comes with hard to put a figure on what he would go for.

10.) 24 Dec 2023
24 Dec 2023 13:52:54
I hope he wins every time when he plays against us, if we let him go.

11.) 25 Dec 2023
25 Dec 2023 13:19:04
There are lots of different factors in play and you can't just equate one offense with another.

The Greenwood case will get more attention and whip up greater emotions than other cases due to evidence being made public.

In other cases there remains a far bigger question mark over whether it has or hasn't happened.

But with Greenwood we have all heard the recording. So we know at the very least what he said.

That makes this case very different to other cases where there is no public evidence.

I suspect there is an element of it being a Manchester United player which also increases the size of the story. However, we have to accept that as part of the territory of being a massive club which huge global reach. We earn a huge amount of money from that global reach, which enables us to spend big in the transfer market and pay huge wages, the consequence of that is negative stories are also much more publicised. We have to accept the rough with the smooth with that.

As for whether he's innocent or guilty, there are two ways of judging that, whether we like it or not.
From a legal perspective, he has not been found guilty. That does sound mean he didn't do it, just that not enough evidence could be found to prove he did in a court of law.

You then have the social perspective. What do people think based on what they know. That will vary.

I wonder would all those people who feel he should be back in the squad based on him not being convicted of anything. Would you also be happy with him dating your daughter? Or would you have a problem with that?

Knowing what you know, and having heard what you have, would you be happy for him to be your daughter's partner?

Because if not then that suggests that part of you at least feels like he probably has done what he's accused of and you would rather not put your daughter at risk.

For both the club and the lad himself it is probably best for a parting of the ways.

The club could certainly do without the circus that him returning would bring. While the attention and media spotlight on himself, his partner and their newborn child would certainly make their lives difficult.

A permanent move abroad is probably best for him. The club recoups some money, avoids the media backlash and the player gets a fresh start away from the obvious media attention.

12.) 27 Dec 2023
27 Dec 2023 09:43:58
Moral issues aside for one second, the biggest impact now would be on the dressing room. If the squad want him back, and he won’t cause any issues or bring the wrong attitude, then he’d improve us greatly and sporting wise would make a lot of sense, especially as we are looking to get rid of Martial and Sancho.

13.) 27 Dec 2023
27 Dec 2023 13:25:32
Eric, that's the thing though. It's a complex issue with many factors, all of which need to be considered.

How does the squad and coaching staff feel about him coming back? Would it cause disharmony in the dressing room is one factor.

Does he want to come back and put himself and by extension his partner and young family under the media microscope that he will be under if he was to turn out again for the club.

Does the club and the new ownership regime want to face the media backlash that bringing him back would have on the club?

Finally, how do the fans feel about bringing him back, the club cannot afford to alienate more fans right now. There are already some who feel that SJR buying into the club supports the Glazers and allows them to remain. To go with a potentially unpopular decision to bring him back will further alienate some fans. How many? Who knows.

Ultimately they need to work out whether bringing him back bring more and greater positives then negatives. What are the odds of that?

Surely if they bring him back then he would absolutely have to hit the ground running and fulfil his potential and become the star player his talent suggests he could become.

Anything less and it would likely bring more negatives to the club than positives. He can't come back and be a decent player, if he comes back he needs to be a key player in helping the club challenge for and win major honours.

Personally, the only way I can see him coming back and it being well handled is the club and player need to take control of the narrative. They can't just quietly sneak him in through the backdoor and hope no one notices. They need to make a big deal of it, the player need to publicly apologise and admit he has made mistakes (crucially without explicitly saying what he has done, and potentially incriminating himself) . He has to show remorse, and take action to repair the damage. He'll need to try and become an ambassador for women's rights and it has to come across as authentic.

That way the club and player can take control and push the media narrative towards a more positive direction. Anything less and the player and the club will be crucified. They need to lean into second chances and the idea that someone can learn their lesson and attempt to right their wrongs

It's not what I'd like to see, but it's probably about the only way the club could bring him back while mitigating the backlash.

Does the player want to do that, is he capable of doing it? That might well be the crux of the matter.

14.) 29 Dec 2023
28 Dec 2023 22:53:55
Can’t disagree with any of the above Shappy. I was talking on purely sporting terms only. I can’t see a path back for him here to be honest.