25 Mar 2013 09:04:51
why isn't fergie going for radamel falcao or Edison cavani I would rather have one of those two than lewandowski.

1.) 25 Mar 2013
Perhaps because Lewandowski is a few years younger than them, much much cheaper and could be just as good as either in a couple of year's time. Just think if someone had bought Falcao a few year's ago when he wasn't valued at £50m.

2.) 25 Mar 2013
25 Mar 2013 10:39:01
We don't need any of them

3.) 25 Mar 2013
Syd

While I agree that he is a pretty good player right now. There is something that I have observed in him and wanted to know what'd you think about them. His attitude and work-rate are not the best. Would never see him play for team-mates or throwing his body on the line for the team. He has the look of a player who already thinks he is a superstar and couldn't care two hoots when things are not going well. I think some of the hype has got to his head. Again this may be my view. For Poland, I have seen him moan, cringe and act like a luxury player more often than not.

Deeps.

4.) 25 Mar 2013
Deeps, I am not sure where you have got the opinion of him having a bad attitude from or that he lacks work-rate. This is a player who does all of the stuff Welbeck does off the ball, but is a prolific goalscorer. The amount of work he does off the ball is exceptional. I have seen no evidence of him having a poor attitude either.

5.) 25 Mar 2013
Somebody did buy falcoa a couple of years ago athletic played about 36 mill

I think lewandowski is over hyped on this site imo good player but not the level of cavani or falcoa,
As for age he's only a year or so younger than cavani and 2 than falcoa.

Looks decent in the Dortmund team but the way they are set up it must be a dream to be a striker in that team, doesn't look anywhere near the same player for poland

6.) 25 Mar 2013
I never said a couple of year's ago, I clearly said a few year's ago.

Lewandowski isn't at the level of Falcao now, but neither was Falcao at 23, that was my point.

Lewandowski will improve and when the penny drops for him I hope he is already a United player.

7.) 25 Mar 2013
Lewandowski has yet to fully convince me. He looks good for Dortmund when he has top class creators all around him, but for Poland, where he is the main man, he goes missing far too often. Saying that, he is being looked at as back up for RVP so I'm not sure why people are surprised that we aren't looking at the likes of Falcoa or Cavani.

These players are going to go for upwards of 50m, and that isn't the type of money we're going to pay in any circumstance, especially for a player who will be benched for the most important games. We should be asking if Lewandowski is a better player than Hernandez or Welbeck, and in that he regard he is a far better all round player.

Danny Pughnited

8.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred,
You could have made the same argument for Messi: plays in a team with a great set up;doesn't look as good with his country.
BornInToIt

9.) 25 Mar 2013
Lewandowski will be a big mistake, his game is very limited, and as posters have already pointed out, his attitude is not the best.
Anyone who thinks Falcao is not the nswer, then they better start watching thi guy more often, he is absolute class, fantastic touch and he's a beast of a player. Very tricky and extremely strong.
Nomidfield

10.) 25 Mar 2013
Danny, some good points, but I disagree that he will be back-up to RvP. He will do most of the running like Welbeck does when he is in the team, so RvP will not need to. I think Lewandowski will play with RvP, not instead of.

BornInToIt, Messi has a great array of talent around him in the Argentinian team too. Lewandowski doesn't have that luxury with Poland. I would describe Lewandowski as a quicker and more potent Dzeko, with Welbeck's off the ball attributes. Perhaps a little Ibrahimovic too.

11.) 25 Mar 2013
25 Mar 2013 13:14:06
lewandowski is a execptional player no two ways about it he is 23 and is already a top striker I for 1would want him at UTD
btw I think he wil be as good as falcao in a couple of years time

12.) 25 Mar 2013
25 Mar 2013 13:25:41
so lewandowski might become this top class striker in a couple of years time. He might not as well. He hasn't impressed me in over a dozen games. Hernandez or welbeck or any of the kids in the academy could become top class strikers and their already at the club. We're going to end up spending the summer chasing a striker we don't need who's not much better than what we have, and end up neglecting midfield again.

13.) 25 Mar 2013
Nomidfield

Nobody thinks Falcao is rubbish or not what we need but we're not going to go and splash £50m+ plus top wages on a striker when we already have RVP/Rooney are we?

What is so hard to understand? When did United last splash £50m odd on one of the world's best players?

HBadger

14.) 25 Mar 2013
Bornintoit
Have a look how many individual goals messi scores he doesn't need people to create chances he will score goals in any team.
Also after a slow start for Argentina he has now scored 13 goals in his last 12 starts
I believe the same goes for falcoa he would score goals in any team, I'm not sure the same can be said of lewandowski imo
he's a good player and if we sign him great but I don't think rate him as high as others on the site that's all.

15.) 25 Mar 2013
Vish, he is actually 24, but he did burst onto the scene last season when he was 23. I think he is a good striker, not at the level of Falcao, but has time to be at the right club. At £15m give or take a shilling, he is a must and he is certainly better value for money than Falcao is.

16.) 25 Mar 2013
Syd
rvp is a good second striker but is world class as an out and out striker why would fergy want to drop him deeper

17.) 25 Mar 2013
Some people on here rreally ubderrate Lewandowski.
Imo, ina couple of years time, he will be the best sttiker in the world.

People here keep talking about how Falcao and Cavani are much better than Lewandowski. They are better but not by much. He is a better creator than both, has more assists to his name than both players combined.

Lewandowski is extremly fast, he's also a very hard worker and covers a lot of ground. He is a beast in the air and is very strong physically. Hence why there is probably not a striker in world football who's better at holding up the ball.
He has the pace and workrate of Welbeck, the movementand finishing of Hernandez, and the class and dribbling of RVP.

The guy is a bonified world class striker, and is only going to get better. I would even take him over Rooney.

Mick

18.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred, I see no reason why they won't line-up next to each other. If you look at the RM games and replace Welbeck with Lewandowski, it all fits. RvP and Lewandowski would make a great partnership, stick Rooney (if still here) or Kagawa just behind them and the attack would have everything.

19.) 25 Mar 2013
Mick

Those are some very complimentary and lofty comments. Jovetic is a better striker than lewandowski and we will get to see him in action tomm.

Cavani is the best of the lot with Falcao a close second.

Syd

Falcao was 23 when ATM mortgaged their house to buy him for 40 million and he is a totally different player and a clinical finisher and lewandowski does not have his finishing. Lewandowski will not go for 15 and more like 20 to 25 million.


Shahram

20.) 25 Mar 2013
Shahram, if you are going to join in with the discussions then at least get your facts right. Falcao was 25 years and 6 months old when AM signed him. Lewandowski will sell for under £20m.

21.) 25 Mar 2013
Sydney

LOL, If you plan on googling everything you sure have a lot of time on your hand. We were looking at falcao when he was 24 along a host of other clubs and Fergie even back then considered him one of the finest strikers around, please google that too.

I know he is 26 now and been at athletico for 2 years, don't exactly have time to check football players exact month of birth and Zodiac signs.

I get it you like this guy but you are making him out to be something he is not. I think he is good striker and that is it and nowhere in the cavani, falcao league. Aguero any day of the week for me and benzema any day of the week for me.

He will go for over 20 million that I am willing to bet you name the stakes :)

Shahram

22.) 25 Mar 2013
Syd
If you look at the season as a whole we very rarely play with 2 up top, it leaves you to short in the middle

23.) 25 Mar 2013
Syd
also in madrid welbeck played out wide and at home he played as a second striker to pick up alonso.

Very few of the top teams play with to up top if you had Rvp and lew up top with either kags or Rooney behind them we would be very light in midfield.

24.) 25 Mar 2013
If we have Lew & RVP up front with Rooney/Kagawa behind we would be way overloaded up front IMO. That would leave us with nonatural width either and I'm not sure I can see SAF going in that direction.

25.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred it only leaves you short in midfield if you have a weak midfield pairing. Obviously, at the moment, we don't have the strongest but with the right signings, we will be able to play 2 up top and a midfield 2 for the majority of games. It may only be the big games where we might need an extra man in midfield.

TK-Red

26.) 25 Mar 2013
I'm with shahram on this one, we're not talking whether united will buy or not, we're talking about who is the better striker. Falcao and cavani are bin a different league to lewandawski. He is limited in his style and will never possess the trickery of falcao and cavani.
Only time will tell.
Nomidfield

27.) 25 Mar 2013
Well Shahram I rate Lewa very highly. Few strikers are better than him atm, and all of them are older. Rvp, Suarez, Falcao, Cavani and Ibrahimovic are the top 5 strikers in the world, and Lewa comes 6th. I actually think he is as good as Aguero and even a better number 9. He has the pace to drift wide and beat fullbacks, he has great finishing, he is a beast in the air and is very strong so will probably not get bullied around. He is also probably the best striker at hold-up play and even if he is a bit selfish, he is a top notch creator as his assists show. On the ball he is extremly comfortable and yoh see him dribbling past defenders often.

As for his workrate, the guy covers every single inch of grass. He is a bit like Welbeck in thaf department. He also just turned 24 and is quite youngand he has been steadily improving for the past 3 seasons and is every bit worldclass. In 2 seasons I see him becoming one of the best strikers in the world, better than Falcao and as good as Cavani imo.

ASfor his attitude, I heard he's had some problems but I wouldn't look too much into it. His goods outnumber his bad stuff and if SAF convinces him to stay at Dortmund and run down his contract, we'd get him for free in a year's time.

Mick

28.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred, good points, but maybe it's because we do not have the right personnel to play two up top. Against RM Welbeck was more central than anything. He caused havoc for the RM defenders and Lewandowski is very similar in that respect. The only difference is he can score several goals.

Nomidfield, Falcao & Cavani are better strikers than Lewandowski at this time. No question about that, but Lewandowski offers much more off of the ball than them pair do. SAF likes a workhorse and Lewandowski like Welbeck is just that, but he is a prolific goalscorer too.

29.) 25 Mar 2013
Shahram, Falcao is 27, he was playing for River Plate at 23. He moved to Porto at 23. If you are going to state facts then perhaps a little more research on your part wouldn't go a miss.

This summer Lewandowski has one year on his Dortmund contract. It seems he has his heart set on United and no one else just like Kagawa who went for £14m. He will sell for around £14m, £18m tops.

30.) 25 Mar 2013
Tk
With Lew and Rvp as a front 2 and kags behind as syd suggest that leaves us with only 3 in midfield so what midfield pairing do you mean.

As for a strong midfield pairing I don't see us going back to a flat 4_4_2 to be honest.
4_5_1, 4_3_3 or 4_2_3_1 Will be the formation for the majority of games, all then formations have 1 central striker who I believe will be rvp on most occasions, so if we sign lew I think he will have to get used to playing second fiddle to rvp, the same way as Hernandez has

31.) 25 Mar 2013
Trickery of Falcao? The guy is a fantastic and powerful striker but full of trickery he is not.

TK-Red

32.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred, not sure if you have noticed or anyone else for that matter, but this season RvP has been shoved out wide right a few times and I think there is every chance he could play there next season. He played there for years at Arsenal. I know his best position is as an out and out, but could we play with a front three of Welbeck, Lewandowski & RvP and have a midfield of Strootman, Carrick & Rooney/Kagawa? Just a thought.

33.) 25 Mar 2013
Jred I'm not talking about having Kagawa behind the 2 strikers exactly. We could very easily use him on the left where he can drift inside and, for example, Nani on the right then that would leave the midfield 2 to be decided. If we then had a strong midfield 2, whomever they may be as let's face it we all have our preferences, we could very easily play 2 up front. So, for arguments sake, say we had Kagawa, Strootman, Modric and Nani in midfield then I see no reason that RVP and Lewandowski couldn't play upfront together. With that combination of players we could play 442, 433, and 4231 with relative ease (RVP being the obvious one to drop deeper behind Lewandowski).

Now it doesn't have to be that combination of players but my point is that with the right signings, we could very easily see RVP and Lewandowski play together.

TK-Red

34.) 25 Mar 2013
Tk
Read back through the post I disagreed with your comment that we. could play play 2 up top with 2 in midfield for the majority of games. as I don't think we will play that way I don't think we have played 4-4-2 for the majority of games fir many years, tactics have moved on.
Imo for the majority of games we will play 1 out and out striker as I have explained above and I think that the best man for the job is rvp.

35.) 25 Mar 2013
TK, if we sign Lew then IMO he will be lining up next to RvP. RvP has been drifting out to the right and sitting in the hole while Rooney has drifted into midfield all season. There is no reason why RvP and Lew couldn't play alongside each other or with Lew slightly ahead in a 4-4-1-1.

36.) 26 Mar 2013
Sydney

LOL Here you go again, They are about 2 years apart in age and very different players.

On one hnad you state that he is going to be the one of the best in the world but then come this summer one will go for near 45-50 mill and according to you one will will go for 15 mill.

I find that extremely odd that all the scouts and clubs out there can get it so wrong.


Shahram

37.) 26 Mar 2013
Mick

I guess we have a different view on the guy. I hope we sign him and hope you are right.

For me not in the Aguero league but a good solid striker and miles better than Welbeck but totally different to Hernandez.

Shahram

38.) 26 Mar 2013
Shahram, where did I say Lew is one of the best in the world? Telling porkies again are we?

39.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
Should maybe read sharham post agin

40.) 26 Mar 2013
Jred I can see you disagreed and put your argument across as to why, as did I do why would I need to read the post again? You do get how an exchange of opinions works, yes?

Syd! I agree completely. In RVP we have someone who is such an intelligent football that he could play with any strike partner and we have seen this season that he likes to drop off, to the left, right AND centre and get involved in build up play. Arsensl relied on RVP for his goals but to us he has been much more than that. For a few years the team has revolved around Rooney with Wayne being given a free role and if we sign Lewandowski then I see them playing in the same side and RVP being given the same freedom as Rooney, only difference being that RVP won't have to track back defensively quite do much as we will I think we all agree we will sign a midfielder who is much more suitable for the job when needed e. g. Strootman.

TK-Red

41.) 26 Mar 2013
Shahram, I see Aguero, Falcao & Cavani as £40m players simply because they are the complete striker. No doubt they will sell for slightly more. I see Hernandez as a £20m player. I see Lewandowski as a £25m player. But you have to take into consideration Lew's contract is almost up. It's estimated a player will usually lose between a 3rd and half of their value when they are in their final year of contract. £14m-£18m seems about right to me. I disagree with you and Jred and would be amazed if he sold for £20m-£25m with one year left on his contract.

42.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd

I am pretty sure you wrote 15 million today and compared him to Falcao and implied he could be 50 million in a few years.

Get off the fence and have a firm view and stop back peddling. You have made it abundantly clear over the last 12 months how highly you rate him, I just don't agree with your rating but agree he is good striker and would like to see us sign him.

Same argument I made in a previous post we are starving for a superstar and overrate our targets as fans. Powel the next Scholes, Smalling the best Cb in the world in a couple of years, Zaha could be the next Ronaldo blah blah blah, all non sense if you ask me.

Falco went for 40 million as a 24 year old in a time where the world was dying and football economics was in a dire state. Lewandowski is 23/24 and if he goes for 15 as you state in a much better economic climate, should be enough evidence what clubs and their scouts think of him and his potential.

Shahram

43.) 26 Mar 2013
Shahram, Lewandowski is not at his peak like Falcao and has 1 year left on his contract so of course he is going to be cheaper. Its a fact that you have to pay through the nose for proven world class where as Lewandowski isn't yet at that world class level so is bound to be less expensive, although in 2 years he could very possibly be world class and we wouldve gotten ourselves a bargain. Add that to the fact that Falcao's price tag will increase when you look at the clubs willing to buy him.

TK-Red

44.) 26 Mar 2013
TK, precisely my thinking. RvP is always all over the place anyway, he could easily do Rooney's job whilst Lew plays where he is playing now. Could see Rooney playing in midfield, or left if he isn't sold.

45.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
Where did I say he would sell for 25 mill
Tk
Fair point, I didn't put myself across very well to be honest

46.) 26 Mar 2013
The question still remains why would you want to move Rvp from his best position.
You can make an argument for rvp and lew as a front 2 but you could do the same for rvp/Rooney, Rvp kags or kags Rooney.
The fact remains we don't play with a front 2 that often and Rvp plays is best football for United and arsenal as the out and out striker why move him?

47.) 26 Mar 2013
Jred, further down the page you said you 100% agree with Shahram and Shahram said Lew will sell for between £20m-£25m. Therefore if you 100% agree with Shahram, then you too believe he will sell for that price.

Onto RvP, I think people should watch RvP. He doesn't sit on the penalty spot for 90 minutes, he is here, there and everywhere. There is no reason why he cannot continue to be here, there and everywhere whilst Lew sits on the penalty spot.

48.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
all good strikers play across the line, but you need to look at the bigger picture if rvp play up front with Lew it leaves us light in the middle
Football has moved on we don't play with a flat 4 in the middle any more.

49.) 26 Mar 2013
Moved on from a 4-2-3-1? Why can't this be the line-up?

____Midfielder___Midfielder
Winger___Van Persie___Winger
________Lewandowski

RvP pretty much plays there anyway. That would be a strong attack.

50.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
Rvp doesn't really play there does he he plays as the striker.
The player who plays behind the striker is more a acm like kags or Rooney who also has midfield duties this isn't really rvp game
You have gone on all day about playing Lew alongside Rvp but if you want to that leaves you short in other parts of the pitch.

Why do you think we bought kags?
After watching rvp over the last couple of years why would you want to change his position?

51.) 26 Mar 2013
I am not talking about playing RvP as deep as Rooney plays. Rooney plays far too deep as the 2nd striker, almost as a midfielder at times and that is down to us having a poor midfield. If you watch RvP he is pretty much all over the place in attack anyway and with a better midfield behind him he wouldn't need to drift so deep. There is no reason why Lew cannot play ahead of RvP as the out and out striker and RvP play the Berbatov role just behind Lew.

52.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
I honestly think that your blinded by your infatuation with lewandowski that you would come up with any reason to play him ( even playing Rvp wide right )

I don't think for one minute that you would suggest some of the things you have today on football or tactical merits.
I have no doubt that Rvp and lew could play together but whether that would be our best starting 11 is a different story, Danny and badger have raised some good points imo
Where as your whole argument seems to be " I think lewandowski we start"

53.) 26 Mar 2013
Grow up jred, you are talking like I said he would be playing right wing. Do you know the difference between playing on the right of a front three or playing as a right winger? Clearly not. Many strikers play in a front three. RvP played there against Spurs for a start.

I think Lewandowski will start alongside RvP more often than not if he signs. You disagree due to your infatuation with Rooney. let's agree to disagree.

54.) 26 Mar 2013
TK, Sydney

Off Course I realize he would be going into the last year of his contract and hence his transfer value is discounted.

So was RVP as a 29 yr old and look at what we paid for him.

This is starting to turn into a debate for the sake of debating. In the current climate come this summer and given how many major teams are looking for a good striker I believe he will go for over 20 million specially when you factor how young he is, because you are guaranteed to get 5 years from him and if it works out as we all hope he might be worth more than we paid for him even at the end of a 5 year contract.

Here is all the teams looking for a quality striker;

Bayern Munich
Juventus
Inter
Athletico (assuming falcao goes)
Chelsea
City ( assuming dzeko or tevez go)
Real ( assuming higuain or benzema leave)
Arsenal
Spurs
Fiorentina (assuming jovetic goes)
Napoli (assuming cavani goes)
PSG


When you look at the clubs who are in the market, they are all clubs with funds at their disposal and the summer might turn out into a bidding war for quality strikers and there are not a lot of them around.

Finally I hope we get him for 15, the cheaper the merrier but the market and the numbers being quoted for players tell a different story.


Shahram

55.) 26 Mar 2013
Shahram, Lewandowski has interested in one way or another Bayern Munich, Juventus, Chelsea, Inter, Galatasaray, Liverpool, City, Real Madrid, Arsenal & Spurs to name a few. All of them have in one way or another contacted Lew's camp and all have come away empty handed so to speak. My guess is they have all been told in some uncertain terms that he is set to join United.

So when you consider he has his heart set on one club (MU) and he is in his final year of contract, it leaves very little wiggle room for Dortmund who have already said they will sell him this summer. I would say it's unlikely he will sell for over £20m.

56.) 26 Mar 2013
Syd
Lol what has this to do with Rooney your obsessed with him
You Rd aware that the dourtman president has said this week that he hopes Lee stays.

What's your inside source that all them teams have tried to sign him.

Sharham Tk deeps badger have all made some good points yours has been " I think Lewandowski will start "