19 Oct 2013 23:59:47
I agree with a lot of the posts on here. We need to get behind the right manager. Give the right manager time. Give the right manager who has a track record of delivering success time to shape his team.
Sadly Moyes is not this man. I keep making these posts because he keeps f"""""g things up!

1.) 20 Oct 2013
Your a disgrace you are not giving David Moyes a chance,
we need a new midfield and a clear out and it takes time, you have obviously not supported the team during the lean times and you don't realise that he was left with a re building job after SAF did not address our obvious short comings over the past three years
We may have go accept an average season to get the players needed to go again next season,
we have no devine right to win trophies every season but we will get there with the new manager
ARB

2.) 20 Oct 2013
My what is a disgrace? Good for you if you think DM is the right man for the job. Personally I don't and never have. Tell me this. what justifies your blind faith in him? What have you seen in him that makes you think he's going to turn us back into the formidable force we once were or are you saying we have no right to accept that? If that is the case then it's you who are the disgrace.and FYI I've supported United since the late 70's so I've seen my share of mediocrity hence my reluctance to go back there!

3.) 20 Oct 2013
ARB, moyes didn't come from mars he should have known our players abilities already as a rival manager for over 10yrs.
Thats just nonsense and doesn't excuse poor team selection, tactics and performances does it? there's plenty of managers who have gone to new clubs this summer who aren't struggling as badly as we are and we were the champions!
Iv never seen anybody on here claim that we do have a god given right to win things and of course we don't but as fans we have a right to expect more than we've seen so far don't we?
I do remember what it was like pre-SAF but the club is nothing like it was then but the performances under moyes are similar if not worse. Moyes seems to have a midtable mentality and that needs to change quickly IMO. A competent manager would realise our performances have been poor and change things but he sticks to 4-4-2 and refuses to try something different and game after game goes by and we drop more and more points against teams we shouldn't be.
Its not good enough at all in every aspect of management moyes has failed. So far.

4.) 20 Oct 2013
Unitedred71 and the rest of the Armageddon Crew

You need to let the booze work itself out of your system and calm down.


Firstly I never had us for winning this year and believed we would have a fight on our hands to finish in the top 4 and got massive grief for it when I posted many weeks ago and still believe the same to be true.

Whilst you guys are all quick to want to hang the manager, why not the players. After all they are the ones on the pitch and they are the ones that have the most influence on the game.

I do agree his substitution of giggs for Nani was odd but then again we had no midfielders on the bench as Valencia just got back from 2 grueling wc qualifiers and Anderson is ether injured or just not fit. Funny enough I posted this yesterday the minute the team sheet came out but never got posted by the moderator and said we might struggle with defensive subs if trying to protect a lead.

Did not see anything wrong with Rooney going off for smalling and recommend you watch Mourinho, Ancelloti, Klop, Ferguson and whoever else that you lot rate and they do/did it all the time. Mourinho started defensive subbing yesterday with 25 minutes to go when they led 2-1. It just happens that they are very effective in counter attacking and ended up scoring 2 more when trying to protect their lead.

Southampton are a difficult team for anyone and I am as gutted as the rest of you for not getting 3 points, but the overreaction is unbelievable.

If I was honest my only concern with Moyes is the signing of Fellaini and what I will judge him on is his next few signings but to blame him for everything under the sun is bit childish.

I think the players are more culpable than the manager and guys like Welbeck, Anderson, Buttner are a joke and need to get moved on and will never be good enough and he needs time to set up his stall as he was given a lot of luggage by SAF.

Those who criticize him would have been up in arms had he come in and decided to offload a bunch of players as no matter how average/poor some of our players are, people here still rate these guys and for some reason think they will come good.

I remember last year everyone thought we needed just a few tweaks and evolution as some called it, this team needs to be gutted come this summer and 5 to 6 players sent packing IMO and what he buys and how play thereafter will be the true test of DM as a manager.

5.) 20 Oct 2013
I also did not see the lean years, but I fully agree with ARB, when you lose players of the quality of Scholes and Giggs, Rio and Evra reaching the end of thier magnificent careers.
Also 4 or 5 signings(made before Moyes) are just not good enough, the scale of the rebuilding needed is huge.

I don't watch any youth games ( with me living in Scotland) so have no idea what is coming through. Great to see Januzaj sign a 5 year contract.

The 2 things that worry me most was our absolute debacle in the summer transfer market, will this continue. We need to realise that market forces set transfer prices, sadly not Man. U. unfortunately and act accordingly. Will the Glazers sanction the huge transfer budget I believe we need? Secondly, and very worrying, we don't seem to be playing as a team at the moment.

6.) 20 Oct 2013
ARB. no one should be labeled a 'disgrace' for voicing their opinion. So calm down please.
Unitedred71 has a point, the fact that we should have got someone with the right credentials to manage 'the biggest' club in the world.
Moyes is a decent guy, but he's totally out of his depth. He's also always advocated playing defensive football. Unfortunately, this is not the United way and hope never will be.
Somehow, I think it is dawning on everyone now that Moyes is not going to change his methods or his tactics. Why? Because he doesn't know how to.
United had to get one of the top managers to fill saf boots, a man with 11 years with not a single trophy, one match in Europe, should never have been considered.

7.) 20 Oct 2013
ARB, it isn't about winning trophies this season as most of us will accept that we won't.

The key point this year is top 4, full stop, and at the moment we can't see any indication that this will be achieved.

Even winning the league last season whilst we were the most consistent team over the season, I certainly didn't feel that we were the best team in the league and that refreshing the team with top quality was required to keep us competitive and moving forward.

For whatever reason that didn't happen and we are paying the price for this now.

Fast forward this to summer of next year and if we don't qualify what makes you think we are the most attractive proposition for top players without CL football when we had it this year and couldn't attract players of quality.

I will support DM and the club but let's not be blind to what is happening we are struggling at the moment (that may change) but we need serious changes in playing staff, need to play more attractive quicker football and let's get ready in the short term for a season without CL because this is the way it is going.

8.) 20 Oct 2013
Shahram,

If you agreed with the smalling substitution you aren't the united fan I thought you were. I don't care if all them other managers would do that, we are Manchester United, we defend a 1-0 lead by making it a 2-0 lead, it's in our DNA and moyes needs to learn quick.

9.) 20 Oct 2013
Shahram,
the 'armageddon crew' as you call us have every right to be concerned.
Tactics and team selection stops with the manager not the players as does the inability to fix obvious problems during the transfer window.
The players aren't performing but why?
after the city game the 'armageddon crew' were assured that we would press on after our difficult start. It hasn't happened.
we have not improved one bit since day one and are falling further behind each week.
I didn't expect the title this season but I expected transition and were going backwards quickly instead. the emergence of adnan is one bright spot but moyes has failed at everything so far IMO from transfers to team selection and even press interviews he looked badly inadequate. You could excuse these failings from an inexperienced boss but not from someone with over 10yrs EPL experience.
These next few signings that you're going to judge him after? who do you think theyl be because failiure to finish top 4 would seriously limit the quality of players we can attract not to mention the £50m UCL prize money wed lose. our debt is managed and our budget is set based on UCL qualification so if we fail to do that then expect rooney, DDG and even adnan to be up for grabs to make up the losses. Armageddon? certainly not but definately a possible scenario for the 'blind faith crew', like yourself to ponder.

10.) 20 Oct 2013
GDS2

You are quite unique in how not too long ago you thought we would win the league and this is some great team and the rest of us where off our head for not being as optimistic as you.

I never agreed with you or Sydney on how great this team and squad is firmly believe it is a player issue rather than a manager issue.

Making a defensive substitution with 5 minutes to go and leading is some of the most basic things done in Football and I am not sure where you are getting this stuff about that is not the united way.

Whether Rooney was on the pitch or not the team got it wrong defending a corner and they scored, so Everyone get over it.

Someone pull up some stats on Fergie's substitutions when leading with 10 minutes to go, this is just now plain old silly stuff.

Even Mighty Real and Barca will bring on defensive players when trying to see out a lead and take guys like Neymar and Messi off.

11.) 20 Oct 2013
Babyfaced

Finishing outside the top 4 financially hurts but not worried about players not coming as long as we pay the wages and transfer fees.

I do realize this years guidance is based on qualifications from the group stages in Cl and a 3rd place in the league, so no impact on this years estimated 120 million profit as long as we qualify from the CL group stage. We should have 200 million in cash come next summer unless we pay down a big chunk of the debt. BTW the money for 3rd place finish or even outside the top 4 is not that significant. If we do not finish in top 4 the impact will be in the next fiscal year and not current year.

There is also talk of the Owners potentially issuing another 300 million in stock, which I am hopeful it happens as long as they plan on retiring some of the debt with the proceeds.

If Rooney ends up going I hope people are not childish enough to believe it is because of our non-qualification for CL and more a Player wanting to leave.

Finally, I don't have blind faith and if anything been the most consistent in terms of not rating this team but also not in the camp of firing managers after 10 games.