24 Oct 2013 11:45:55
I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong about starting Giggs last night as he had a good game. The performance was very encouraging, especially good to see Kagawa showing what he was capable off, and the clean sheet will be a big boost. So well done on a good performance, and a great start in the CL.

However, let's not get too carried away. We were playing at home against the weakest team in our group, who have had a rotten start to the season, and we won by a single own goal. We created more chance than we have been in recent weeks, but we still seem unable to put them away. More worryingly it looks increasingly like Fellaini is £27.5m square peg. I liked Fellaini at Everton, he looked like he could be a good defensive option in a 5 man midfield, I still do. But the solution to our midfield problems, he is not. He is never going to work alongside Carrick in a midfield two. In other words, I still believe that Fellaini is a good addition to the squad but he isn't the first team player that we really need. The problem is that at £27.5m there is no way to justify keeping him on the bench. So does Moyes keep trying to fit the square peg, change the shape of the hole, or relegate one of our most expensive signings to the bench?

1.) 24 Oct 2013
Have to agree, giggs gave away 2 or 3 free's with lazy tackles, and also was caught in possession several times as was kagawa, but I will say for a 40yr old it was still a good performance.
Kagawa, imo, is highly over-rated on this forum, I just don't see the justification for it. I know he was playing off the left, not his ideal position, but that doesn't excuse his 2 misses towards the end or for him being caught in possession.
sociadad last night were over-awed and quite poor, and still we only defeated them 1-0.
Any half-decent european team would have beaten us easily last night.
also fellaini is a donkey.

2.) 24 Oct 2013
Danny, Giggs was very good yesterday and added the much needed tempo in central midfield that we have missed recently with Carrick and Fellaini playing in midfield. Carrick has been a good midfielder for us, but his biggest and probably only flaw in my opinion is his lack of speed. He dwells on the ball for far too long and is often beaten too the ball in midfield by a quicker player. Fellaini for me is very much the same, although he doesn't have the positional awareness that Carrick has so will struggle in certain games this season.

Giggs was great, but the reason people are so insulting towards him and so wrong IMO, is because it frustrates them how poor our midfield is and that it still hasn't been resolved. No doubt Giggs is a scapegoat much like Cleverley when he is fit and playing. Neither deserve the insults they receive, but fans are frustrated that a club the size of MU STILL haven't secured that perfect midfielder to replace Scholes, so they feel the brunt of it sadly. We need that Thiago type midfielder who will control the tempo of games. A player that could have been ours for a little over £20m.

3.) 24 Oct 2013
Sorry, this reply was supposed to be for J Bones below.

4.) 24 Oct 2013
Depressed Red

Kagawa is top player and the rest around him are overrated, you have got it the wrong way mate.

IF he leaves he will make a lot of people here eat their words once he gets into a team with some good players around him. Finally, everybody missed last night including rooney who is in form.

5.) 24 Oct 2013
I think it's time to give Kagawa and Adnan a run of games together. These two and RvP are the most technically gifted players in our attack. Rooney isn't too bad either when playing well so the link-up play and through balls could make RvP's life very very easy.

6.) 24 Oct 2013
Sydney

That set up would work great if we had holding midfielders who had good pace.

I have always rated Carrick as you know and if he was a couple of steps faster he would be a world beater.

Our issue currently is what is our best front 6 offensively exposes us defensively and why we are seeing all the different lineups and constantly changing to adjust for depending who we are playing.

Anyway I predicted we would win the next 4 games and hope that I am right :)

The team is a lot better than everyone is making it out to be and we might see a major change in fortunes over the next few weeks.

7.) 24 Oct 2013
Depressed red,

Adnan was saying last week how he learns a lot of things from experienced technically gifted players such as RvP and Kagawa. Also if you watched him at Dortmund then you'd know the boy is very gifted. He's just not used to the slow possession game we try play in the PL. He'll adapt he just needs a bit more faith from Moyes and a run of games.

8.) 24 Oct 2013
He actually said giggs is the guy who has helped him a lot.

9.) 24 Oct 2013
Guys, I am just giving my opinion on kagawa. I didn't watch him for dortmund so my knowledge is based on what i've see over last year and this when he has played for us and at the moment I just don't see where this world class ability is.
however I will bow to your greater knowledge and hopefully I will be proved completely wrong and he turns into a great utd player (if moyes decides to play him)

10.) 24 Oct 2013
DR

The issue Kagawa is the same with many players. They tend not to perform best when played out of position. Look at rooney last year and he basically wanted to leave because he found it difficult playing out left or in midfield.

Kagawa at Dortmund was so good Klop moved Goetze out left to play kagawa as a number 10. The problem we have neither Rooney or RVP have Goetze's pace to play as attacking wingers and struggle when they are asked to play there. The other interesting thing with dortmund where he played his best football is they play 4231 most of time with a single striker but have really good attacking wingers.

11.) 24 Oct 2013
GCU,

He said Evra and Giggs are helping him to deal with the pressure of being in the first team but when he spoke about learning new skills and techniques in training he spoke of Rvp, Kagawa and Rooney.