04 Sep 2023 15:17:47
The club is rotten and it stems from the very top. The owners apparently now will wait to sell in 2025 and hope eth keeps us competitive in the meantime. They aim to maximise their return by selling after the US World Cup and a successful spell for us domestically (they hope) . The clubs finances are in dire straits with no plan to improve the stadium, training facilities etc. Arnold and Co botched the greenwood saga awfully and yet remain in situe. The transfers weren't great and now eth is left with players he clearly doesn't want and who will no doubt let their feelings be known (sancho) . Tbh the teams performances reflect a club that's in disarray and according to some there's a lot of discontent among staff and players alike. Eth isn't perfect but he's caught in the middle and will ultimately pay the price for the failings of those around him. Sadly for him history seems to be repeating and not in a good way. We really needed a sale this summer but we didn't get one and where we go from here is a question I don't think anyone can answer as even those in charge don't know. i hope everyone rallies together and we can build after the international break, amrabat will help as will a fit hojlund, but I just get that sinking feeling again. Hoping against hope I'm wrong.

1.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:21:26
It's quite simple Tim, the fans need to back the manager. Not half back him and then moan about him when a petulant cretin who regularly shows a lack of effort winges on social media. but fully back him. His changes are making a difference and we are moving in the right direction in spite of the club being a shambles.

Sancho was sold from city after attitude problems. He had problems with training and attitude at Dortmund. He's had problems with england and is now not part of the squad. He has had problems with multiple managers at utd.

I'm actually disgusted to read some on here trying to blame EtH this morning. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I just don't get how anyone thinks anything good comes from player power. Every successful club that ever got anywhere backed the manager in these situations.

Pep has to deal with these things, arteta had to deal with players he didn't want. It happens. But the whole club backs the manager and the players learn that it is eth's way or the door.

Stop enabling these players egos by making them think they can out live another manager.

So far this season we have lost to spurs away and arsenal away. It is not as horrendous as many would have you think. Our performances are improving and we have trouble with injuries. We should be in the picture for top 5. Which given our poor summer should be obvious to everyone is all we can hope for this season. We have not invested to win the league.

2.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:24:03
Personally I couldn’t care less who owns the club. The glazers have never financially limited us. The problem has always been the wrong appointments either in the board room, or the managers themselves. We’ve had numerous managers who have brought the wrong players. Spent huge money on terrible signings and then they leave and the next manager is left to clean up the mess. This of course filters down on to the pitch, and is reflected in performances. Personally I blame our fans more than the glazers. The constant negativity by some regardless of what the club does is not conducive to a happy and stable environment for any manager or player. It seems the fans aren’t happy regardless of anything. Unless we win every game we play and win the league and champions league the fans will spit their dummies out and kick up stink. The club is moving in the right direction. We’ve signed some very good players this window, we have a top class manager who changed our fortunes last season and took us to 3rd in the league and won a trophy in his first season. He’s been dealt a bad hand with the Ronaldo situation, the greenwood situation, and now Sancho. He’s dealt with these issues addressed them all publicly, and the rot is slowly being expelled from the club. Last year he had a squad of players who were bereft of confidence and inspired them. He’s building his own team slowly and weeding out the bad apples. It’s not a perfect situation and it will take time and patience from the fans but I’m confident in a couple of seasons we will have a squad that will be challenging for honours.

3.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:36:01
Too early this season to write ETH off. I can't see them firing him after last season's improvement. The problem is as it always has been since they took over, they are regarded very poorly in the football community and no top people want to work for them, particularly now they are seen to be saddled with both FFP and excess debt issues in a rising interest rate environment. I have always contended that the reason they hired Ole before his caretake period was up was because after they looked around, as they promised to do, no serious coach wanted the job. The experiences of LVG and Mourinho were there for all to see, so they hid behind a few good results to hire someone who was not qualified for the job. Ten Hag is steadily addressing the internal malaise and the inherited mess, which these managers, and the Ragnick, addressed.

I agree with you, as I think do the vast majority of United fans, that they are the rot at the top, however their biggest failure was appointing and then sticking with Woodward. He was the executive in charge and it was he who took a very manageable debt situation after going public and turned the company into a laughing stock with >£1bn in combined debt and FFP problems. It was his arrogance that failed to see his own shortcomings and thus failed to take care of the football side of the club. While others were building modern structures, he was destroying ours without proper renewal. The Glazers are guilty of not knowing enough to know who to hire to run football club.

If the club becomes profitable again this year and qualifies for the ECL then I think it could turn around for them. I still don't see them getting £6bn+ for the club any time soon. Given that it needs > £1bn in infrastructure improvements I can't see how it could be worth it even of they were making £50m - £100m a year in profit. Moreover the whole episode will have done to potential buyers what Woodward did to potential coaches and players, which is to say turn them off. I don't see how a world cup will make any difference. The only thing that would is some version of a European Super League franchise - at which point I'll stop watching them.

4.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 16:48:18
Are you actually serious je888

One of the worst posts I’ve read on here

You don’t care who owns the club

The buck stops with the totally incompetent owners

They pick these clowns to run the club.

5.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:04:59
No I really don’t care who owns the club. I support Man Utd for what happens on the pitch. Back room drama is irrelevant as far as I’m concerned. Like I said I think the fans have got far more to answer for than the owners. Hounded manager after manager out, destroyed our players confidence through constant abuse, created a toxic atmosphere around the club with endless negativity. Personally I’m amazed that we can attract any players at all and if Ten Haag gets hounded out by our ridiculous fan base then I think that’s the end of this club. The best manager we’ve had in over ten years and already some on here have got the knives out.

6.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:13:44
Je88,how many more excuses for the club can you think of are u working for the club or are u a fan.

7.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:42:20
Je888
I think you’ll find every club in the world their fans hounded managers out but yes we are the worst
What utter nonsense
What goes on in the background certainly finds it way onto the pitch either in a good way or a poor way which has been happening for over 10 years
You don’t seem to grasp it.

8.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 17:56:52
Ironic Leanhy that you’re asking if I’m a fan for supporting the club, when all you do is spout constant bile and abuse. I’m not sure what you even think being a supporter means.

9.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:28:51
No mate I say what I see. I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land.
The club is a shambles from top to bottom. the owners are a disgrace to the human race wanting more billions. Bleed the club dry in the process. The players sulking like babies and the money they are on.
If Ferguson was around Sancho would never again play for united
That's not abuse . they are facts.

10.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:40:02
Such a shambles that we finished 3rd last season and won a trophy. 4 games in to a brand new season with a big injury list and the toys are already out of the pram. I’m amazed you can’t sense the irony in you saying the players are sulking like babies.

11.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:48:56
Tim,

Are you stating facts or the nonsense from the Mail
On Sunday? Have they announced something since?

12.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:51:32
The manager always carries the can.
The issue with United isn't the manager so much as the very structure of the club.

It has been clear for a number of year we do not have a clear and cohesive footballing vision, we lurch from manager to manager, each with their own system and ideas, buying players for them only to then replace the manager and exoect the new man to turn players not suited to his system into a cohesive team.

Furthermore we have a DoF who is out of his depth. Surely he must accept as much responsibility as the manager for purchases. I hear Ten Hag blamed for signings, i ask myself what then is Murtagh doing, why is he not as DoF, in charge of the scouting network and with ultimate responsibility for player purchases. I look at his background and i see nothing that prepares him for this position at United.
United need a sporting director in charge of the footballing side. This individual implements across the club a footballing style used from academy to 1st team. He brings in coaches and a manager who reflect this philosophy, the scouting team works to find players to suit this system and the footballing operations team work to secure the players best suited to improving the 1st team whilst bringing in youngsters to fit this system.

United have moved through several differemt philosophies in the last decade. This lacl of continuity isn't conducive to developing a successful team.

The buck here stops at the very highest level, the decision makers who have put in place this system should be accountable.

I believe we have the right manager, but he cannot do it alone, someone should be overseeing the footballing operation as a whole and ensuring its delivering at all levels.

Ten Hag is not perfect, no manager is and i do not absolve him from blame where its due, bit it is no use blaming the manager when the model itself will not deliver the results desired.

I am not doom and gloom about the team, i believe they will grow, i do have very little faith that United have an effective structure and high quality people running the footballing operation.

13.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 18:56:07
JE888. The fans did not pick an accountant to be in charge of making football decisions for 10 years. That was down to the Glazers. It is the fans who, despite their grumbling, continue to fill every seat at OT, and who provide unflinching support at away games, and buy the shirts that encourage sponsors to invest in the club. Blaming the fans is like Donald Trump blaming Antifa for the Jan 6th insurrection. There are always moaning fans. Fact is that the management team that the Glazers put in place ran the club into the ground racking up huge debts and put us in FFP peril. Why shouldn't the fans moan when the top players and managers are always going somewhere else and we overpay for mediocrity?

I really don't care who the owner is either, but if a club with Man Utd's revenues and fan base fails to meet reasonable expectations then the buck stops with the decision makers and not the fans. Whose fault is it that the management team employed by the Glazers blew £1bn? And if we see all that waste, and players who are paid incredibly well being publicly disloyal to the club or going about their jobs in a half-arsed way, should we just shut up?

The buck stops with the owners and the management team they hire to run the club. That said, I think they made a good decision hiring Ten Hag. He's inherited a lot of overpaid dross but he's gradually working through it. It will take time. He is not helped by our FFP and debt situations (the fault of the fans? ) . We have too many positions to fill, and too many overpaid unsellable players taking up large slices of our payroll budget to get rid of, to be in a position to blow £100m+ £25m a year on a real difference maker. Should we blame the fans for that?

14.) 04 Sep 2023
04 Sep 2023 19:13:07
Je88 for the biggest club in the world. Ya a shambles run by clowns
Sancho got dropped and went on social media sulking like a baby instead of getting his head down and earning his wage.