15 Jul 2013 20:19:47
arsenal fan here in peace.

Just to clear up any confusion with the clauses when arsenal sold cesc to barca:


Barcelona agreed to give Arsenal a first refusal £25million first-option clause should they eventually decide to sell.

If Arsenal were to refuse that option, they would still be entitled to half of Fabregas's next transfer fee.

The key thing is, "should they decide to sell".

Just because utd have bid, it doesn't mean they will accept it. IF they do then the clause they have with arsenal will be activated.

If they did decide to sell and arsenal didn't bid or cesc decided to join utd and not arsenal- then bacra would want a lot more than 25mil!

Especially with the 50% sell on.

In fact, unless they received 50mil+ then they may as well sell to arsenal and get the full 25mil (as opposed to half of let's say 35-40mil, if that makes sense?).

But by all accounts its unlikely that either barca or cesc want to part company right now. Personally, I don't him going to either arsenal or barca.

Unless, that is, cesc is unhappy about neymar signing and playing time, etc. But still.

On a separate note, there is some speculation amongst a few gooners that that there might be some sort of deal where utd sell rooney to arsenal, if arsenal stay out of the way of utd signing cesc.

Anyone here heard that? But tbh it seems very far fetched.

With respect,

A gooner.

1.) 15 Jul 2013
From what I've read, you get 50% of the fee over €30M. So you could look at it and say the incentive for Barca to get a much greater fee over €30M (circa £25M) is less than it would be without the clause.

Rudderpost

2.) 15 Jul 2013
Really? What I've read is Arsenal would only get 50% of any profit (i. e. if Barca sell for more than they bought him). Which would mean it unlikely that Arsenal would benefit financially to any great extent, if at all. Perhaps they have 1st refusal but the player would have to consent to that. Obviously it's all speculation and only a select few know the ins and outs but that was my understanding.

3.) 15 Jul 2013
The 50% sell on clause is the difference between the £25 million Arsenal would have to pay and the amount another team bid.

i. e. if another team buys Cesc for £40 million and Arsenal don't exercise the clause, then Arsenal will be entitled to 50% of £40m - £25 m = £15m / 2 = £7.5 million.

4.) 15 Jul 2013
Hello mate, i'm afraid I think u may find u have misread or got your wires crossed here, U have a 50% sell on fee dependant on profit made.
For example u sold Fab for say £25m Now if Barca sell him to us for say £35m then u would be eligable to 50% of the profit which in this case would be £5m.
Now u do have first refusal on him if he is sold but at a 'set price' and Fab has to want to go if not Barca are free to sell him to united for whatever they desire and u will still get your 50% of PROFIT made from the sale

5.) 15 Jul 2013
Thanks for the clarification but it doesn't make any sense for utd to submit a formal bid when I'm sure they also know these are the terms of agreement between arsenal and barca.

surely no one at utd would expect barca to do business at the £25 to £35 mill mark if they only get half the fee?

as for the Rooney theory, you might be right but I expect him to remain at OT. I think at the moment Moyes is just putting him back in his box

6.) 15 Jul 2013
It would be a crazy series of transfers if Rooney was part of a sweetener to stay away from Cesc, but it makes a small amount of sense.

Rooney would not want to move abroad, he'll never learn another language!

Selling to Citeh or Chelski is a big no-no. Arsenal & Tottenham are the only other realistic options, but I'm sure Wayne would be very wary of joining a club that fails to make top 4.

I would expect him to insist on assurances they were investing heavily to ensure top 4, perhaps Rooney plus money for Bale would make more sense, But then Tottenham would really struggle to make top 4!

7.) 15 Jul 2013
This 50% of any future transfer is rubbish.

8.) 15 Jul 2013
I don't think Arsenal would pay Rooney his wages which are over 200k p/w and let me tell you he isn't worth that much

9.) 15 Jul 2013
There is catagorically not a 50% sell on fee. what a load of dribble.

Forst refusal only counts if the player is happy, personally I would see him coming for a medal or two.

Q

10.) 15 Jul 2013
Im begining to think that Arsenal will be entitlerd to 50% of any profit that Barca make on Fabregas rather than 50% of the overall transfer fee, that makes more sense.

But as you said, it's IF they decide to sell.

If he joined us, the pessimistic side of me thnks that we'd get 2-3 years then he'd be wanting to go back to Barca anyway when Iniesta and Xavi retire.

11.) 15 Jul 2013
Sorry guys- I thought I was trying to clarify, but I was the one who misunderstood!

It seems you know anyway.

But this is the most definitive I've seen, by a Spanish gooner:



"Length: 5 years, 7m� per year.

Initial Fee: 35m� paid in two parts.6m� loyalty fee due to transfer waived by Cesc.

Add Ons: 6m� for 1 CL or 2 La Liga titles in 3 years, was later reported to be broken down per La Liga title.

Clauses: 30m� First Option, Right of First Refusal clause. This is the one most people don't get. FCB have to either get a bid in and accept and no matter that offer, say it is 40m�, we have a right of first refusal to buy him back for 30m�.

Or if FCB decide to sell, we have a right of first refusal for the 30m�.

We do NOT have an option where we can go in blindly, pony up 30m� and FCB HAVE to sell to us, this is where people are getting confused.

In the contract there is also a 50% Sell On clause, meaning, if there is a bid for him and we pass on buying him with our first option clause, we get 50% of the transfer fee.
Edit - We would get 50% of what is left over above the 25m£ base fee FCB paid for him. So if a 30m£ is accepted and we pass on re-signing him, we get 50% of 5m£.

The third scenario is that Cesc can convince FCB that he wants a move back to AFC and a mutual break of the above contract could lead to a transfer.

His release clause is unclear, there are reports it was 90m� and others reported that it was 200m�.

12.) 16 Jul 2013
Interesting!

I still think that Madrid is the on who would be more keen to let Modric/Alonso/Khedira go. Modric would be a clear choice if available.

13.) 16 Jul 2013
16 Jul 2013 13:07:28
Actually I don't know how accurate your information is. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but from what I've heard (when Barcelona bought Fabregas ) Arsenal are supposed to get half of the profit should Fabregas be sold by Barcelona. That means if a team pays let's say 45 million on him, Barca would get 5 million and so would Arsenal.
Mick