03 Feb 2014 13:01:10
Danny Pughunited

You really do take yourself very seriously, don't you?

You and a few others, full of their own self-importance.

There's hardly a post of yours goes by without some snide, sarky comment about those of us who live in the real world, and who know Moyes isn't going anywhere soon (Moysettes?) I make my posts laced with sarcasm, in an effort to person the pomposity of people like yourself, who just love the sound of their own voice, and who think everyone else wants to hear them too. Have any of your posts ever been less than half a page?

I work in a job, this weekend especially, where I see humans at their worst, doing things to each other that many are lucky never to see, dealing with families who've just lost a loved one, and all the time trying to keep the chin up.

I come on here, a banter site, for some light relief, but instead find it full of earnest blowhards, who seem to live permanently up their own rectums.

Football is not that important Danny, and when you become an adult, you'll realise that.

1.) 03 Feb 2014
Oh deary me.

Stevie you stalk this site like an attention seeking child looking for anyone criticising Moyes, posting one line put downs and sarcastic jibes, and then when you're called out for it you revert to personal insults.

I'm sorry if some of the people who post here don't do it for the same reasons you do, and that you have a tough job. But, FFS you actively seek out confrontation and then complain that it's the other people who are ruining your experience.

I, like others, make long posts because it takes a bit of time to engage in debate in a meaningful way. Because I actually like talking about football. I rarely see you talking about anything that happens on the pitch. In fact, you spend more time talking about the people debating football than you do about football.

For a adult man who doesn't think football is that important, do you not find it strange that you devote such a considerable portion of your free time to treating us to your razor sharp wit on a football banter site?

2.) 03 Feb 2014
Danny lol the answer reply is as I many other's expected but my dear friend in the last 7-8 months even before moyes gave his first statement you criticized him for what?
Moyes may or may not be the man to take us forward. but u surely see how rubbish our squad is? When everyone keeps on going about the formations I keep mum. because we simply can't play anything else without new injection of players.
4-2-3-1 with evra? We will be massacred! We don't have an able midfielder to do that covering
yes I agree with you moyes has made rubbishty tactical decisions. but you start spewing venom my friend.
I respect your opinion but its time you realize that our squad is more rubbish. and under confident than we can imagine.
Only Saf can take us to the title with, this squad.
your views makes me thing you would jump of a cliff if moyes actually succeeded.

3.) 03 Feb 2014
Plus I am pretty sure you noticed the only thing that has.changed about our play is moyes.
We still play as rubbishty as we did under fergie for the past couple of seasons.
I wanted a better manager but I will suffer with u and countless others but blaming moyes for everything under the earth and everything wrong about our play and squad is.only going to make us more of a.laughing stock as fans.

4.) 03 Feb 2014
*Grabs the popcorn.

5.) 03 Feb 2014
If I wanted a reasoned debate, I'd go on Question Time, but I use this site for banter. The clues in the title.

I would gladly engage you in reasoned debate about our club, Danny, but you tend to take rumours and half-baked stories from the media, and present it in a way that suits your point of view.

Any rumour, no matter how dubious, if there's an angle to slate Moyes with, or whoever your pet hate is this week, you'll run with it.

I'm not a great tactician, so I leave that to those who do know what they're talking about. I have players I think are good enough, and those who aren't. I don't get involved in things I'm not sure of. But that doesn't stop you. I know my limitations. You just give us the same old view anyway.

I have many views and opinions on this club and our team. I just don't feel the need to tell everyone about them, over and over again.

I try to use a bit of humour, because I have to balance it against those who take it too seriously, and I only mentioned my job because I deal with things that really are important, not whether or not the players may or may not be demotivated by a random Moyes quote.

I'm also a sarky bugger. I have to be in my job, where I have to deal with life's persons. I find that coping mechanism serves me well on this site.

6.) 03 Feb 2014
If people don't like other peoples posts then don't read them, move on to the other posts.

If you come on here for a laugh Stevie you may be in the wrong place. every bugger on here is miserable =)

7.) 03 Feb 2014
Stevie, if you know your limitations you wouldn't keep trying to antagonise people that you lack the capacity to argue with. There has been a lot of discussion on whether Moyes is getting the team to play in a way conducive to winning trophies in the longterm. Now if you, admittedly, having nothing to contribute to this discussion, why do you go out of your way to get involved?

And you do tell everyone your views over and over again. It's just most of your views are on the people talking about Manchester United, rather than Manchester United. If you're bored of what I'm saying and have nothing to contribute or no arguments to contest it, why do you continue to reply? It seems to be a bit of a pointless activity, don't you think.

I will concede that you are humours. I mean where else would you get a self-proclaimed "sarky bugger" criticising someone for making sarcastic comments, without a hint of irony. I forgot, you only "lace" your posts with sarcasm as a parody of people like me. I must admit that I'm confused has your parody of 'mine' sarcasm become your real life persona?

8.) 03 Feb 2014
Seems like it JK. Hate to see how they'd carry on if something really bad ever happened to them, if this is what they're like after a game of football.

I tend to avoid reading his posts for my own sanity, but he had a go at me further down, and after a bad weekend, I snapped.

Shouldn't have went down to that level.

How's the popcorn?

9.) 03 Feb 2014
Who's got the harder Dad or brother? That's what used to sort most of these quarrels out when I was younger.

10.) 03 Feb 2014
Steve not having a pop at you but football is important to a lot of people its all some live for.me personally i'm getting bored lately not just because of moyes we were crap last season as well.ive been match going longer than I've been in work, longer than I've known my wife and a lot longer than fergie managed utd.ive travelled to every part of the uk and all over europe and on my travels I've met a lot of people who have been friends now for over 40 years, there is a social side to it that people enjoy, so yes it is important to a lot of people and probably the thought of the next game gets them through there crap week.:)

11.) 03 Feb 2014
StevieK as both of your posts on this thread are so full of self importance are you going to add irony to your list of content?:-)

12.) 03 Feb 2014
Die Red, before Moyes was hired I said he was the wrong man for the job, for well documented reasons: no winning pedigree, no top level experience and no experience dealing with top class players.

Last season I was also talking about being unimpressed by our general performances, and that the Fergie factor plus RVP was dragging us over the line in far too many games. But that is precisely why we needed to go out and secure a top class successor, someone who could get the most out of the players we have until they had brought in replacements. There is a big difference between expecting us to challenge for the title and expecting us to be in touching distance of the top 4. We were competing when we had Alan Smith playing regularly in midfield and we certainly have enough talent in the squad to be competing with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs.

Yes some of the senior players are a year older and look like they have gone a season too far at the top level. However, we also have a lot of young players who are a year older and, yet, don't seem to have progressed under Moyes. In fact, the likes of Rafael have gone backwards. Plus the man has spent close to £70m on two, supposedly, top class players and we have one of the best young players in the league plus the return of Fletcher. The squad is certainly not worse than last season, at least on paper. But the players are collectively underperforming and that indicates that the problem is with the manager.

There has been one major tactical change from last season and it isn't just to do with formation. This year we have the worst ratio of attacks through the middle of the pitch, last season we had the seventh best. We have the highest number of crosses in the league by a long margin too. When this has been happening consistently for months and months it tells us that this is how Moyes wants the team to play. It isn't due to poor form or the players getting things wrong. Moyes wants the team to focus their attacks on the wing, in his words to get it to the byline and cut it back. This obviously isn't working and it doesn't compliment the attributes of our best attacking players: Rooney, RVP and now Mata. It is the tactical equivalent of playing the odds: the more times you get the ball into the box, the higher your statistical chance is of scoring. However, no other top team plays like this. They play intricate passing through the centre, and cut on from the wings.

I would be over the moon if Moyes proved me wrong. But with his continued reliance on failed tactics, I just can't see that happening. He has stubbornly stuck to this failed game plan since the start of the season and it has very little to do with the limitations of our players. This is how Moyes wants the team to play, and he often publicly announces that when we play this way we are playing well.

13.) 03 Feb 2014
Really Stevie, you shouldn't have gone down to that level?

You mean when I replied to your post that contained the beautiful line: "You and the rest of the Chicken Licken brigade try to scare everyone by trying to make out that a long-term decline, like Liverpool, is inevitable if this season is a write-off."

Do you not even realise that you're doing it?

You actively go and call people out by name, making sarcastic and dismissive comments about them not living in real world or knowing what's really going on. Usually these posts have nothing to do with what the person you are calling out has actually said. And now you're retreating into victim mode?

Honestly, if you constantly go around trying to provoke people you're not sinking to any level. You are the low water line.

14.) 03 Feb 2014
John, I'm not saying it's not important, but put it this way, what would you rather lose, your wife, or your season ticket? It's all about perspective, and some people on here have none, or it's at best very skewed.

Danny, the difference is, I admit I'm sarky. You seem to lack this capacity. I can also laugh at myself, again, a capacity you seem to lack.


I get involved in some things, because you and certain others come on here repeatedly, using half-truths, if's and buts, and rumours to push your view, and present it like it's the truth. It's not a discussion you want, it's a vehicle to use any little piece of tittle-tattle, as a weapon to use against Moyes, or whoever else you don't like.

Nearly every post you make, whether it's about Moyes, the tactics, the pre-season, the signings, Ferguson, the players, conversations between players, Woodward, the Glazers - they all comes back to your usual conclusion - Moyes isn't good enough.

He may or not be, but most of us want to hear something different now and then.

You need to get out and make some real friends to talk with about football. It'll cut down your post length for a start, and save us all a lot of pain.

ps. I love the part about me lacking the capacity to argue with you, or a couple of your mates. Your self-regard and arrogance is truly breathtaking.

15.) 03 Feb 2014
Haha he has got a point though Danny, by the way whens the autobiography out?.

16.) 03 Feb 2014
Moysettes?

Your posts are filled with antagonistic remarks to those on here who think our manager should be given a chance. If you haven't noticed, then maybe you're the one that can't see.

Nothing wrong with that, or you slagging me off in your post below - I should have mentioned my OP was in response to that, just in case people think I just woke up this morning and decided to have a pop at you.

The difference between us is that I hold my hands up to being a bit dismissive of some people's views, and admit to a bit of slagging now and then. You either don't know you're doing it, or just choose not to admit it.

ps. I get better abuse off my 11 year old son, and usually more common sense from him, when it comes to talking about football as well.

pps. for your info. University of Aberdeen 1989-94 MA History/Politics. A proper Uni, not a glorified polytechnic. But your right, you're crushing wit and reasoned arguments are too much for my feeble little brain. I give in to your superior intelligence.

17.) 03 Feb 2014
Ngiak wonders what's a sarky bugger?
Sold at McDonald's and can penguins eat them?
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18.) 03 Feb 2014
There you go again Stevie you never have anything to contribute but spend your time scouring the board for these mysterious half truths. And when you find them, what do you do? Shows us the truth? No, of course not. You make a sarky comment or throw an insult or bring up something unrelated to the discussion.

You seem to think that you're some sort of white knight for Moyes. Saving him from half-truths by insulting those who would dare oppose him. It's not really arrogance to say that you lack the capacity to debate. The level of tactical debate that anyone here is capable of is pretty low, basic stuff. You're the one who admitted that he doesn't have the knowledge to engage with basic tactic debates, so I don't know where that leaves you.

Paul, autobiography is going now going to be a two parter. Second half will deal with the 2014 breakdown and its aftermath.

19.) 03 Feb 2014
Hardly scouring the posts, Danny. It was in your last one. Forgotten already?

20.) 03 Feb 2014
Basic tactical debates? Don't do yourself down, lad. The way you write on here, you'd think you actually believe the Utd hierarchy read this site.

I have a thing called a job, which prevents me sitting down and composing my thoughts. It's often just a snippet on my phone. I certainly don't have time or the inclination to write War and Peace, nevermind read your historic posts. I can guess what they contain without going to all that trouble, because they're probably much like your last one. And the one before that. And the one before that.

At least when other posters come on here, they mix it up a bit. Even if they don't want Moyes, they don't post about him every flipping time. Their posts usually have a light hearted touch too, because they remember it's a banter site and no-one takes it all too seriously. Apart from a couple of notable exceptions.

Like I said, I could take or leave Moyes. He wasn't my first choice, but I'll give him a bit longer to see what he can do. And posting about him won't make a blind bit of difference anyway, because, guess what? Nobody from Utd reads this. Sorry to disappoint you.

21.) 03 Feb 2014
Johndenton, you've had long enough to think about it. For God sake, please tell me it would be the season ticket!

22.) 03 Feb 2014
What half truth was in my last post so Stevie?

23.) 03 Feb 2014
I know you have a job Stevie, you don't half go on about it.

But do you not think that with the amount of time you spend taking the piss and coming up with lame put downs, you could make at least one football related post?

No.

Oh well, I guess you can go back to your high level banter then.

P.s. Did it really take you 5 years to get an MA? Most MA degrees are only a year long. You'd be expected to complete an MA and PhD in that time around here. Guess you're a special case alright.

24.) 03 Feb 2014
I was referring to your Moysettes comment., in relation to you antagonizing people. I think these might be going on slightly out of order now.

I did pull you up on something a while ago, that you took straight from a rumour in the paper.

I remember you prefaced it with, 'if this is true', before going off on one about Moyes. You were prepared to get the lynch mob salivating on a, 'if this is true' That's why I find it hard to take some of your posts seriously.

25.) 03 Feb 2014
You've obviously never heard of a gap year.

I'd love to stay and learn about football from the feet of the master, but I have to take my son to football training. I'll try and learn some tactics while I'm there, so I can debate it with you another time.

Time for you to step away from the keyboard, tidy up your used hankies, and go to bed, son.

26.) 03 Feb 2014
What you're thinking of is when Rafael's agent intimated that he might not be at the club next season. Hardly a rumour taken from the tabloid dregs.

Rafael came out and denied it, but the fact that he had to deny it shows how seriously he took it.

{Ed002's Note - No that is not what I am thinking of.}