19 Feb 2014 09:37:02
Ed002 mentioned Rafael may leave in the summer. What is the problem? Moyes does not rate him or the lad wants away? Very good player and at 23 can only get better. His contract has another 2 years to run in the summer and while he would probably be worth as much as a replacement would cost, unless He's determined to leave, it seems an added issue. We don't need to be looking for marginal areas to improve we have enough glaring deficiencies.

1.) 19 Feb 2014
Moyes sees him as unreliable. I couldn't agree more. He has been in the MU team for five years now and has he improved that much? He is still impulsive, still gets caught out of position, still cannot cross a ball. Still hotheaded. I think he will make a decent back-up for both the LB and RB position, but I don't think he's good enough to be a first team player. Defensively he is starting to remind me of Evra. We are very weak at the fullback positions and in midfield and that makes the way Moyes wants to play impossible to achieve.

2.) 19 Feb 2014
Would much rather Coleman ( partly because I'm Irish haha )

3.) 19 Feb 2014
2 years ago he looked like an awesome prospect, he has stagnated a bit like all the other players that were meant to be world class now or in a year or so - Jones, Smalling, Hernandez, Nani, Anderson, Kagawa, Rooney (gone backwards).

Aside from Ronaldo we really haven't moved too many players onto the next level, then there are the major flops. Macheda, Bebe, Obertan, Bellion, Buttner, Fabio, probably a lot more.


You have to seriously questions our ability to improve players.

4.) 19 Feb 2014
Yes Rafael is a hothead but he's doing a good job imo certainly not the liability Evra has become.

Lol so thanks for your replies to my previous question what about the Keane bros and Lingard and Powell?
Hey I'm lazy had to look up those 5's positions 3CM's 1AM and a striker.

5.) 19 Feb 2014
Rafael has been poor this season, but has had injuries.
Last season he was brilliant, only maybe zabaleta was better in his position in prem.
I too think we have much bigger problems to address 1st. Cm, lb and cb.
Also Vidic is leaving, rio too, probably evra,
I think we need to keep him for a bit of stability, we don't want too many changes all at once.
Promote a youth player into 1st team squad, or sign a young promising rb as cover would be best imo.

6.) 19 Feb 2014
I agree with Sydney in that rafa's decision making at times costs us. He is a good player but I would have expected him to have overcome his rashness by now. I appreciate he started as a winger but think we could get better players defensively that still add the same going forward. That said unless he himself wants to leave I would agree with the comment that he is a good squad player who still can work on his weaker elements and achieve greater things

7.) 19 Feb 2014
I can't see rafael going this summer either way, we are already losing evra, rio and vidic. moyes won't get rid of him too, he might bring in someone else in and use rafael as cover but he won't sell him at least till a new guy is settled in.
besides which he is still only 23, and has the potential to be one of the best in the world

dags

8.) 19 Feb 2014
Hands off. After last summer when Moyes pursued both Baines and Fellaini with derisory offers for the two of them (before having to shell out top dollar for the wig alone) Seamus Coleman is not for sale. At 26 he has to be one of the best right backs in Europe. His scoring rate this season alone is amongst the best if not THE best of any defender.
So if you think you'll pick him up on the cheap, then think again. The price would start at the £25/30 million mark should Everton consider selling which they are not.

9.) 19 Feb 2014
30 million for Coleman. I've heard it all now. You can keep him, Rafael is and will be better than Coleman.

10.) 19 Feb 2014
How I do love the everton fans that come on here with all there water tight info on players and such lol! Davey u ain't got a clue wot will happen my old mukka! i'm not suggesting at all that Coleman will leave but to state some of the stuff u do as if its a fact is laughable. Do I remember u mentioning the same about Fellani in the summer?

u will need the money in the summer too lol after all your loan players go back to the OWN clubs u will be left with Naismith as first choice striker lol

11.) 19 Feb 2014
19 Feb 2014 17:45:29
coleman isn't united quality, neither is rafael, or any right back for that matter, alves isn't good enough, lahm might be but its a long stretch, nah forget it lahm isn't good enough for MANCHESTER UNITED, hello will, let's see, why is moyes going after coleman to replace rafael then? what doesn't moyes no anything? yep juan mata is crap, januzaj is terrible why play them, moyes is clueless, give over mate, rafael better than coleman? I've heard it all now, next you will be saying cleverley is better than barkley, coleman is faster (ask bale, jarvis, routledge, cole or di maria), he is stronger (ask kolorov and remy), much better going forward, and is a much, well, let's face it rafael has anger issues, he tackles like an 8 year old angry because he was last pick on his team, coleman scores more goals (thats a fact btw), works harder, can go all game and has the first name seamus, you can't beat that, rafael makes me think of some chubby red turtle being taught kung fu by a rat called splinter, coleman is better, stay away from our team, saying that none of our team are united quality, in fact do you want our motto? the way you man utd fans bang on about how players are not united quality i'm sure 'nothing but the best' would suite you lot, considering there is a total of about 6 players who are united quality in world football, despite chelsea on their own have about 7 players that would jump in to your team, really though, coleman, barkley, baines and martinez are ours, go sniff somewhere else for once, can't keep relying on us all the time, rant (is it a rant?) over

Mike-Ox Long

12.) 19 Feb 2014
19 Feb 2014 18:06:39
well hi chris, we will need the money, especially after getting 40m for anichebe, jelavic and fellaini, and spending about 19m at most, barry will stay, doofy loofy back for another year, the other two can go, honestly, luakaku can go back to chelsea, we also have kone, mirallas, mcaleny and money to buy another striker, when our loanees go back, whatever, you know?, whatever, tbh only barry has made a big impact and he is practically ours anyway, so again, whatever it really doesn't matter, youse may aswell get lukaku on loan, more realistic than 'my list for the summer:
reus
gundogan
fabregas
vidal
cavani
iniesta
hummels
coentrao
and shaw'-oh yeah i'm sure you will get all them players, not like all of them play for better teams than Man Utd, oh wait they do, love you really chris, still haven't wised (not a word) up since you stopped posting on our site (joke, or is it?) :)

Mike-Ox Long

13.) 19 Feb 2014
Haha funny how people's opinions change quite quickly on certain players, I remember last season when he was one of our best players. His goals against QPR and Liverpool did not look like the kind of goals a full back would score. Defensively, he lacks a bit of awareness and composure but he's great going forward and his passion is amazing, something we lack a hell of a lot in our current team.

14.) 19 Feb 2014
Jesus Swan.
I think you have some real issues.
Coleman is having a good season. Better than Rafaels last season? I don't think so.
I believe Rafael will become much much better, while i'm not sure Coleman will. He has scored some cracking goals this season, and has been solid, but talk of 30 million is laughable.
And just because it says in a newspaper that Moyes is after him, doesn't mean he is.
I'm not sure what all your strange rant about moyes and other players was about as it doesn't make much sense so I won't even bother trying to come back at that.

15.) 19 Feb 2014
What a lot of nonsense. Last year we was excellent. Mike a lot of our players this year he has been average. He is 1 to keep and develop, he has a huge heart and passion and has shown great potential. Some of the comments above are ridiculous

16.) 19 Feb 2014
Did I just see someone write Coleman is better than rafel?, ill take what you've been smoking bud.
Rafael is head and shoulders above Coleman, one bad season does not mean he has become cr@p all of a sudden, also, that list you gave, we have more chance of signing them than you lot have of getting a decent striker that hasn't been borrowed for free

17.) 19 Feb 2014
And for the others, I think Varela is a cracking player, him, Rafael and Janko should be good for the future, there are other priorities

18.) 19 Feb 2014
19 Feb 2014 19:37:56
coleman is 25, rafael is 23, both will only get better, but the thing is, coleman has much more to his game, if he irons out the odd lapse in concentration, he will be the complete full back, rafael, needs to improve on many things, coleman was good last year too, pundits such as your nevilles, your carraghers, your redknapps (i hate him), your savages (thats robbie savage) all mention coleman, last season everyone mentioned zabaleta, well why? if rafael had such a good last season why isn't he getting mentioned? zabaleta, clyne, jenkinson (who has improved) and ivanovic were all mentioned a lot, I never heard a whisper of rafael, even from some of your fans, is he even the best of the the silvas? I seem to remember about 2 years or so ago everyone banging on about fabio, and his twin, er rafael, its all about opinions mate, I think rafael is not that good, I love coleman, most on here think the opposite, thankfully we differ in our opinions, my rant was about, I remember viewing this site when all the links to baines and that were going on, and god knows how many lists I've seen of people expecting youse to buy all these world class players, not wanting them, expecting them, mata, yes that's a good start, but expecting 10 world class players, some of whom are easily in the top ten in the world is just silly, but about seamus and the turtle, we will have to agree to disagree, fair enough, to the poster who put about him having passion, yes mate that's what every club needs, players who live and die by he shirt, we have it in goward, coleman, jags, distin, baines, barry, mccarthy, gibson, pienaar and oviedo, arsenal have it with wilshere, the ox and koscielny, how many have chelsea got? how many do city have? the answer to both? none, there is a difference between paying for the pay, and playing because you love the football club you are playing for, city and chelsea have none of the latter, do united? well don't think many since gary neville, vidic you can't really make an argument against, he would run through a brick wall for youse, in fact, he probably does kit for fun, you can want as many world class players as you want, they probably won't play for the shirt, they are more interested in the pay, that's were teams like us, youse and arsenal and have an advantage, you need class in any club, the fact we have so many (everton) is great, I wouldn't swap them for some big name, yeah he might be a good player, he doesn't love the team though, we won't play for us for anything other than pay or fame, think, if rafael has passion, good on him, there isn't enough of it in this league, its becoming catnip for money grabbing fools like the chelsea and city players, people say the british passion is the best in the world, its what makes this league great, that's all well and good, what would make it greater is if the players share that passion, if rafael does, I take my hat off too him, jeez got cramp now, that was a long point

Mike-Ox Lonf

19.) 19 Feb 2014
19 Feb 2014 20:45:01
ouch, sorry did it escape your notice that according to a fellow united fan, 'we need money', if that is true then surely we cannot afford to buy a decent striker, the ones we 'borrowed' were not for free, we paid loan fees, stop smoking out your bong and elaborate, what decent striker have we borrowed? I said lukaku can go back to chelsea, he is a useless donkey, had you read my post instead of rolling up your next bit to smoke you would of realized that, don't think fellaini has been there for a year, your all calling for his head, and moyes', and evras, and welbeck and cleverley (the least talented footballer to ever play at professional level) oh some of you want rooney gone, some saying keep him and get rid of robben van pursie, is the term two faced or hypocritical? think I will stick with the latter thank you

Mike-Ox Long

20.) 19 Feb 2014
Swan you sound and write like a 10 year old. Different fans have different opinions. After reading your posts I am still struggling to make out what points you were trying to make. Anyway isn't it past your bed time

21.) 19 Feb 2014
Exactly, AJH. Most of our players this season have been below par. As long as the drive and passion are still there, they'll get a bye ball from me anyway.

22.) 19 Feb 2014
19 Feb 2014 23:01:27
you know what ten year olds type like? is there that many on this site? or are you doubting it so much yourself that you cannot be bothered? I stated we have different opinions, in fact I was praising rafael and Man Utd, I now know not to, saying that, you probably saw me saying I think coleman is better and didn't bother to read the post then jumped in with that comment of me typing like a 10 year old, that in itself makes me think you are some angry kid, pizza on his lap with a bottle of sprite that's been there for a week looking to call people 10 year olds, you're acting like an 11 year old, does it make you feel grown up? I might go to bed now actually as I have work tomorrow, concentrate hard when you go back to school, year 6 is your last year in primary remember, na night :)

Mike-Ox Long

23.) 20 Feb 2014
So Will Red what gives you the right to criticise a fellow Evertonian for having an opinion? To suggest that Mike "sounds and writes like a 10 year old" and that it's "past his bedtime" is both insulting and demeaning. To be honest I would have expected better from a Utd supporter or are you a closet Kopite?
I was the one who raised the initial question regarding Seamus Coleman with Moyes apparently preparing a summer bid. We lived through the whole of the last summer transfer window hearing pathetic offers for our players and my concern is that will all start again with Seamus. On current form (and that means this season) he is without doubt better than Rafael and indeed any other RB in Europe. His valuation should reflect this, hence the £25/30 million price tag.
Where Mike is absolutely correct is that we are sick and tired of your manager continually attempting to unsettle our players. "Everton are holding back their careers" etc etc. So hands off Baines, Jagielka, Coleman, Barkley, Mirralas, et al. This is called poaching; something the FA need to be looking into with your club being the worst culprits.

24.) 20 Feb 2014
Davey, no offence, but 25/30 million is what I would have been offering for Lahm a few years ago, and even then it have been begrudged. And Seamus is no Lahm.

I think people are starting to pick silly numbers out of the air, for players who, let's face it, weren't good enough to play further up the pitch, so ended up as full backs.

The boy's had one good season so far, after a few steady ones. If that suddenly makes him worth 30 million, then I'd pass for now, and concentrate on getting a top midfielder in for the same money - players who can actually influence the game.

All I want is my full back to be a steady defensive player, who can get forward if need be, who has good positional skills and can read the game well. I don't expect him to be a goalscoring machine, or the creative cornerstone of our team.

There's a few of them about who'd cost a lot less than 30 million.

You've only recently benefited from another instalment from our, 'Keep Everton afloat' fund, so don't be expecting another contribution any time soon.

25.) 20 Feb 2014
Stevie we have no wish to expect any more transfer business with you if all Moyes is going to do bid £4/5 million for Coleman in the hope that it's going to turn his head. We don't do direct transfers with the RS and I'd be happy for that to now apply to Manchester United as well.

26.) 20 Feb 2014
And one more thing. How would you feel if Roberto was to come sniffing after Janujaz offering derisory amounts? A question of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.

27.) 20 Feb 2014
Davey.
Coleman isn't and never will be the best fullback in europe and isn't worth anywhere near 30 million. let's get real.
Do you know for sure that moyes is bidding 4 million and saying everton is holding back his career or are you just listening to newspaper talk?
We don't want lots of everton players as we don't want to turn into everton. You should be flattered some of your players are getting linked with bigger clubs.
And if someone wants to come on and have a sensible debate about something then fair enough, I take your points even if I don't agree with them but to be honest Swans strange little rantings got the response they deserved, but its sweet you felt the need to stick up for him. A beautiful thing.

28.) 20 Feb 2014
Will I'll stick up for any Evertonian at any time or place but it's your condescending attitude that bugs me."You should be flattered that some of your players are being linked with bigger clubs" is in itself insulting. We have no need to sell at present and it is debatable whether Utd are a bigger club anyway. You have little chance of even qualifying for Europe this season let alone winning the trophy. You're out of the FA Cup and were embarrassed by Sunderland in the League Cup semis. The little club Everton beat you at OT and will do the double in April at Goodison.
So look elsewhere for new players in the summer and remember there was 1st Division football before the Premier League and Sky money ruined the game by making the richer clubs richer.

{Ed007's Note - LMFAO @ 'it is debatable whether Utd are a bigger club anyway'

Isn't it too early in the day to be drinking?}