04 Oct 2013 11:55:24
Moyes supporters still think that he needs more time or you would like us to finish same places as Everton / Stoke?
Games are getting Dull to watch.

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with Van Persie lately?

1.) 04 Oct 2013
Pretty simple really, he's getting no service

2.) 04 Oct 2013
When Moyes was appointed I was impartial, I sat on the fence as I wasnt sure what to think. He looked like he did a good job at Everton on the infamous "shoestring budget". He looked solid, and had the longevity to him that Utd needed.
I work with a couple Everton fans, they said he will make Utd hard to beat, but will take all the fun and excitement out of the game with negative tactics and defensive approach.
I argued the point at the time, saying its Man Utd, Moyes will have to adapt and learn the way we play. Low and behold its gone the other way, we are playing boring, uninspiring football which is painful to watch. I read something yesterday which said "How to judge Moyes, is to look how Everton are doing now they have rid themselves of the Moyes burden" Its a great point. Martinez plays attacking football and Everton are looking good. We however look poor.

Rant Over. for now

3.) 04 Oct 2013
Roberto martinez switched clubs, he doesn't show he needs more time.
pep joined bayern, he is doing good there.
pellegrini joined city with no premier league experience. he is not struggling.

I really hate some over optimists here. why not being honest with yourself and say that moyes is struggling to fulfill the big shoe. he isn't doing even ok. 11 years of experience in EPL, but where are the tactics? where is the trust in young prospects?
squad is simply weak in almost all area except forwards. so is moyes clueless with his illogical substitutions. and team selections.

players like kagawa. zaha. lingaard. fabio. janujaz is much batter than a few who's starting regularly like young, welback, valencia, stop-gap right backs. and CENTURY OLD GIGGS.

i m not over reacting but is there anything going in positive direction right now?

4.) 04 Oct 2013
You have to give ANY new manager time.

Is he the right appointment? Quite possibly not however he IS the managerial appointment.

Get behind THE TEAM.

5.) 04 Oct 2013
I find it interesting that some of you are comparing Moyes to Martinez and Guardiola in terms of how they have hit the ground running. Perhaps, just perhaps they hit the ground running due to the state their clubs were left in by their respective former managers? Martinez has inherited a very good side that was built by a certain David Moyes. As much of a legend that Fergie is, I think it's time we started facing the fact that, in terms of the quality in our side, SAF didn't leave us in quite as healthy position as some of you would like to believe, regardless of the fact we won the title last season.

6.) 04 Oct 2013
Exactly TK-Red, he got out before his reputation was tarnished. Not even Fergie could have done much better with the squad available to Moyes. He wouldn't have attacked like the old days because we have been getting more boring by the game for the past 3 years.

A more adventurous manager would have done something different, but Mourinho would be in the exact same position as Moyes - relying on a doddery defence and nominal creative prowess to eak 1-0 wins.

1-0 against Sunderland - almost guaranteed.

7.) 04 Oct 2013
TK-Red are you being serious? Everton was hardly left in good shape, they're in a shed load of debt, they have/had players like Naismith, Hibbert, Distin, Anichebe, Jelavic, Vellios etcetera hardly a great team Martinez has made it great with the additions of Mccarthy, Barry, Deulofeu and especially Lukaku, but without a doubt Moyes has the better team it all boils down to the fact that Martinez plays positive football whereas Moyes is an old fossil.

8.) 04 Oct 2013
If you look at where Everton were at the beginning of David Moyes' reign and where they were at the end then there really is no comparison. The club were near ruin at one stage but David Moyes' built them into a good side and helped build a stable club. Moyes turned them into a team that challenges for Europe, brought in good players and sold some of them on for big money. Had Arsene Wenger done what Moyes had at Everton we would be saying he was a miracle worker. You say that Martinez has done a better job than Moyes at Everton and named a few players he has brought in but do you really think he would've been in a position to do so had it not been for all of David Moyes good work previously? Martinez is being allowed to build on the foundations that David Moyes put in place, that shouldn't be forgotten.

9.) 04 Oct 2013
MrSween, i'm sure we are champions with the squad managed by SAF. So of course he did better than Moyes!

However this team has been in decline since 2009-10. Although we did make a trio a champions league finals.

this team is finished. i'm currently reading the 'class of 92' in which SAF quotes teams have a cycle of 5 years. That cycle has ended and a new re-build is required.

SAF should of gone 2008 and given the new manager an excellent team.

So only a few tweaks were required.

Id say that De Gea Rooney and RVP are the only first teamers we don't need to replace. May be Raphael and possibly Vidic.

10.) 04 Oct 2013
Had saf stayed we would be seeing a totally different team now.

Rooney and NANi would be gone.

Kagawa would be playing in the middle with thiago and possibly strootman. I am sure that we would then be playing a more fluid attacking game but we will never know. there is talk of kagawa leaving, but if Rooney does not sign a new contract then he will go and DM would be mad to then let kagawa leave as well. He may need time to settle in but the early signs are not very positive. But hey before fergie won his first title there were calls for his head too, so maybe there is hope for us all.

11.) 04 Oct 2013
Treble1999 - Last season was totally different, all of our competitors luckily underperformed, but now they seem to have clicked and have strengthened even more. We are a year older and look 5 years older. Plus we have the likes of Liverpool and Tottenham now looking to compete at the top.

I agree 100% with everything else in your post. Aside from Rafael is definitely class, no maybe's on that one.