20 Jan 2014 18:18:49
So it is official we have exactly the same as Everton did this time last year, he is turning us in to last years Everton, this years would be better, thanks moysie.

Can anyone tell me what they have seen in Moyes to suggest or confirm he is the right man?

1.) 20 Jan 2014
Can anyone tell me why you claim to be a fan and yet don't back the manager. We all know we have one of the poorest squads we've had in recent times, so what did you expect? Moyes just to come in and know exactly which players will fit? In the end the players have got to take some of the blame, after all it is them who are playing the football, or would you feel more comfortable criticizing Moyes if he put his boots and played for us? I can understand everyone is frustrated but the guys had what 6 months and suddenly you want him to be the next Fergie? Whether you wanted him or not we have so let's back the team as real fans instead of whining and pretending to be fans.

2.) 20 Jan 2014
Well being Scottish that immediately made him fully qualified in the eyes of SAF.

3.) 20 Jan 2014
Sparky96. Who are you to say who is and who isn't a United supporter. I don't rate Moyes, never have. I don't think he has what it takes to get us back to the very top. That is what I think. I would be delighted if he was replaced with an elite manager. I might be right I might be wrong.
That doesn't make me any less of a supporter than you. Just one with a different opinion.

4.) 20 Jan 2014
I don't think the players or staff read these forums Sparky.

Having a little moan in private won't affect anything.

5.) 20 Jan 2014
I think "fans" are entitled to voice an opinion whether it be a player or a manager.

Why should they back the manager if they him to be inept at the job he is being paid handsomely to do.

His Cv shows no winning mentality so why exactly should we expect it to just happen if we give him time. "fans" are not sheep they can make up their own mind on whether they think someone is good enough for our club.

If Mickey mouse was manager would you just expect everyone to back him?

6.) 20 Jan 2014
Sparky

We had a squad that ran away with the title last season by 11 points, yes there were weaknesses but to go down as far as we have comes down to the manager. Moyes was the wrong choice and as a fan of Manchester United for 46 years I have seen wrong managers before but through it all I supported the club and the team not the manager. The manager is an employee of the club and his heart may already be elsewhere whilst ours are not.

7.) 20 Jan 2014
Red Man

The players are employees of the club too mate and if anything probably less fussed and responsible than the manager.

Chelsea spend 90 million so far this year after spending 200 million in two previous windows, City spent 90 in the summer on top of what they had spent in previous years, even Arsenal spent 5o mill and teams like Liverpool have had a year to realize the changes that their manager has brought, bought well and have a player, who you could argue on current form is leading next years Balon D'or.


We on the other hand did very little to strengthen an aging squad that has been patchwork for some time now.

Rooney, RVP have taken turns with injuries with other players being out for extended period of time. I read a stat that 50 percent of our goals and assists came from RVP and Rooney last year, so what we are seeing at the moment is not a surprise to me.

We are where we are because of the quality of our football that has been average for a few years, injuries, new manager and massive change after 26 years and other teams having improved.

That is one way to look at it or your way that it is always and only David Moyes Fault.

8.) 20 Jan 2014
Shaz, but you could argue injuries to key players is Moyes' fault. He certainly rushed Rooney and RvP back too early causing them to have recurrence of their injuries. There are strong rumours suggesting it was Moyes who baulked at the Herrera fee, telling the club it was too much. There are also rumours suggesting Moyes believed he could get Fellaini and Baines cheap. Although just rumours.

9.) 20 Jan 2014
What I love about Sparky's post is that within a few words of saying that they can't comprehend how any fan would not back the manager, they go on to label the squad as one of the poorest we've had in recent times. So real fans back the manager but criticise the squad? Glad that's sorted.

The reality is that the squad is pretty weak, but it isn't anywhere near as poor as it has been under Moyes. A few of the older players have declined and need to be replaced, and we have a few players who will never be good enough and will need to be moved on. However, the collective dip in form throughout the team has only one source: David Moyes and his staff. Last season we won the league at a canter, despite a number of below par performances. The squad isn't as strong as the European elite or City and Chelsea, but it is at least on par with the majority of teams above us.

It has only been half a season. But in that half season Moyes has failed to show any indication that he can get the team to perform better. It's not as if we have gone through a major rough patch, we win against teams in the bottom half and draw or lose against teams closer to the top. We still play the same run the wing and cross tactics despite them clearly failing, and we still ship goals constantly in defence.

This is a relatively poor squad for us, but Moyes is a relatively poor manager for a top side. People will keep on about giving him time, but when he keeps repeating the same mistakes week after week, and refuses to even attempt to change his failing tactics, how will more time help. A falling object just falls faster the more time you allow it to fall. Hopefully next summer we can do things properly and professionally.

10.) 20 Jan 2014
GCU

I don't doubt the lack of investment by the Glazers in recent years has had an impact, no doubt at all. I have expressed significant concern about their lack of spending on here many times. My problem is that instead of appointing the right manager to oversee the vital transition and spend the money well we appointed totally the wrong one. Even the Manchester Evening News comment tonight to Moyes was "stop dithering". I don't think I have known such directness to a United manager since Sexton. They wouldn't have said that about SAF or a top respected manager but then they wouldn't have to.

11.) 20 Jan 2014
Danny

Very good point

Tactically Moyes plays wide and gets crosses in. I saw stats the other day that we had the highest number of crosses and lead the number of unsuccessful crosses in the league. We are crossing without a recognised true centre forward, it is naive and isn't working.

12.) 20 Jan 2014
Syd

I know there are so many rumors but then again rvp has suffered from injuries in the past.

I think the media is having a field day with us and it is important as fans to keep our head together and not believe every rumour they put out.

I do agree we must have thought either the players were going to force the move or Everton would need to sell given how we bid on fellaini and baines and got it wrong. The summer window was a f… disaster.

If anyone is interested there is something happening at Juve with Guarin going there. Hoping this might have something to do with us and Vidal.

13.) 20 Jan 2014
Danny, not trying to be a smart arse but your quote "A falling object just falls faster the more time you allow it to fall" is actually incorrect. A falling object will accelerate until it reaches a point called terminal velocity at which point it will fall at a constant speed.
Like I said, I'm not trying to be smart, but my point is that we have fallen so far, so fast that surely we have reached that point. I don't think we can fall any further (or is that wishfull thinking?)
The big question is whether of not David Moyes can turn it around before we hit the ground. As you know, I think we need to allow him the time and the financial backing to sign the players he wants and see where we are then. But I do agree that he has shown nothing so far in his 7 months to make us think that he can turn things around.If he doesn't, it will be terminal for him (in football terms of course).

14.) 20 Jan 2014
What was most worrying about yesterday was that after deciding to push Januzaj furthest forward, the tactics remained focused on crossing from the wing.

We have the lowest percentage of attacks through the middle in the entire league too. I think it's a damning indictment of Moyes's limitations when he so steadfastly sticks to the same tactics and formation despite their obvious flaws.

15.) 20 Jan 2014
Redman

C'mon since when does what the MEN says has any relevance to our choice of manager.

That industry is so fickle, If honest dismiss 90 percent of what they write.

16.) 20 Jan 2014
Way to out physics me Betty, I'll get me coat.

17.) 20 Jan 2014
GCU

For those in Manchester it has always been quite respected as having close ties with the club. I remember the "cold Trafford" headline of the Sexton era was seen as the beginning of the end. To now openly suggest there is dithering with the manager adds to what we have already seen and surprised me to be honest.

18.) 20 Jan 2014
I think danny has hit it on the nail, I have said before that I thought rumours of Moyes being manager were a joke and I honestly could not believe what we've done there. And six months down the line, he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING positive or to change my view about him.
We keep hearing this ridiculous argument that he was left a poor squad. That's a ridiculous statement, the squad was not the best, but as I've said before, we have seven extremely good players. Everton finished a million points behind us last season, so what's happened there then? A manager has gone in there, at the same time Moyes came to united, no excuses, no time to get used to the squad, no time to work out his best team. But nevertheless, Martinez sorted everton out and they have gone from being 20 points behind us to 7 points ahead of us at this stage of the season. How can this happen. Our team is the same with the addition of the brilliant januzaj, so how could we be so far behind.
I know this is hypothetical, if we had a proper manager with experience, we would be up there challenging for the title. Fergie found a way, Moyes is not in the same league as he has never won anything and doesn't know what it takes.
Back the manager if he's successful, all the workers backed the managers in the banks and loom what happened, just because he's a manager, it doesn't mean he has full backing, in order to have that, you have to EARN IT.

19.) 20 Jan 2014
I'm not really very smart mate. Just remember something about Charlie Sheen and a parachute :)
Oh, that sounds like some weird fetish doesn't it!