24 May 2014 22:44:19
Very quick question about a point I may raise again tomorrow. What do you make of the rumour that van Gaal sees Mata as unneeded? Paper talk or some substance behind it? Will be sacrifice him and go big for two new wide men or is it all nonsense and will he have a great season for us? Interesting.

1.) 24 May 2014
I think there's no chance he will sell him before giving him a chance so much carp in the squad lots to shed before him

I also saw nonsense that LVG only fancied 4 of our squad, fact is no one has a clue who we want, or rahter who LVG wants

2.) 24 May 2014
Mata is a good player but I don't know why we bought him.
Mata or rooney, well no surprise rooney for me

3.) 25 May 2014
I think it's the papers spinning off of the Kagawa comments and putting two and two together to make five

4.) 25 May 2014
It's a nonsense story. It is no more than a journalist's personal opinion. He feels that LvG may sell him as there is no need for him and Rooney. That is the basis of the whole article. Pointless even writing it. He doesn't even say that he heard it from his sources, it is merely what he thinks may happen. I cannot believe people even read the a newspaper, the same paper that said we had agreed a deal for Kroos.

5.) 25 May 2014
It probably is paper talk although I don't think mata and rooney work in the same team.
But this site would of went in to melt down if it was rooney lvg was thinking of moving on in the papers .

6.) 25 May 2014
Mata never fit into Mourinho's " system ". He's not your garden variety hard working attacker ( blazckowski, Valencia, . ), the kind Mourinho likes, nor did he have the pace to play counter attacking football. 2 aspects that Van Gaal rates much less highly than Mourinho.

What Mata has that LvG rates above all is tactical intelligence. He knows his role, and he can fulfill it. Mata is not your stereotypical footballer, he has university degrees and is a pretty intelligent individual. This is something Van Gaal appreciates imo.

7.) 25 May 2014
Totally agree Mick. Mata can be the brain of the team. And much more so than Rooney who often lacks the discipline to stay in 'his' position.

8.) 25 May 2014
Lvg will be more concerned what he does on the pitch.
At lot has been made about jose getting rid of mata because he's not hard working but that's only part of the story.
jose teams have always had a good number 10 type player deco, sneijder, ozil all these players could also press the game and drop into cm, mata lacks this and pace imo .
He needs to play in the last 3rd and offers little with out the ball imo

9.) 25 May 2014
I said it a few weeks ago and it seems that it could happen - he will be sold if we can recoup most of the cash we paid. Mata doesn't fit in, he doesn't have the legs for a fast paced Utd team and he certainly doesn't for a big pitch like Old Trafford.

Great player for the right system and style, he is simply not mobile enough for us.

10.) 25 May 2014
Jred, there have been articles about Rooney leaving this summer, but like this article they have no basis. Just one man's opinion of what he thinks MAY happen. It's no different from me or you writing an article on what we think may happen and then printing it. It's a shocking piece of journalism.

This may happen in the future of course, but this is just another man's opinion of what he thinks MAY happen.

11.) 25 May 2014
Syd
Nobody has said the article is true have they?
People have just commented on it.
The whole article is based on reports in spain that barce might be interested but a bit like united barce get linked to a lot of players

12.) 25 May 2014
But that's the point Jred, it isn't a case of whether it's true or not, it's just a bloke's opinion. He hasn't said "my sources claim" or "I have heard" or "reports in Spain", it is merely him saying Mata could leave because in his opinion he doesn't fit LvG's style. It's a pointless article and that's why it's the only article. He has heard a rumour that Barcelona may want Mata and he's added his opinion on why MU may sell him. It doesn't even deserve this thread to be honest. It's a case of Fresh reading a headline without reading the story and posting on it. I am surprised it even made the newspaper as most journalists wouldn't write something like this, they may Tweet an opinion of theirs, but to write it in an article and print it, I'm quite surprised it was allowed. The journalist clearly had nothing to write about this Sunday so he manufactured something out of nothing. It's journalists like this who give the real journalists who do have genuine sources a bad name.

13.) 25 May 2014
Jred, take a look at the Mail Online. Breaking story at 10:55am. It's another pointless article. The headline "Wayne Rooney failed at Manchester United last season and he may face Louis van Gaal wrath, according to Ruud Gullit" It is a pointless article. It has more credence than the Mata story because it's an opinion from someone linked to football and from someone who knows LvG and not some nobody journalist, but it's still a pointless and shoddy article about one man's opinion of what he thinks MAY happen. There is clearly nothing for the papers to report this Sunday so they are talking nonsense. It's really not worth discussing just like the Mata story. There's nothing in either story.

14.) 25 May 2014
Don't think there is any issue with discussing what papers say as it is what a banter site is all about. unfortunately there is a minority that believe all that is written is gospel and then use such stories to back up their claims that united have somehow failed or are falling apart.

15.) 25 May 2014
Syd
Its a topic of discussion on the site why are you getting your knickers in a twist?
There has been loads of posts about who lvg will and will not sign who he does and doesn't rate.
90 % of it has been journs opinions whys it suddenly a problem

Is it because its something you dony agree with?

16.) 25 May 2014
Because it's a journalist's opinion Jred. It's not a rumour or from a source, it's just another man's opinion. If you do not know the difference between speculation and an opinion, then it's understandable that you do not know what I am saying.

17.) 25 May 2014
So if it was a journalist saying that he thinks MU may sell Rooney to PSG because in his opinion he doesn't fit into an LvG team, you would seriously sit here discussing it? It's not a rumour, it's not speculation, it's just another bloke's opinion of what he feels could happen.

We always sit here discussing speculation in the papers and rightly so, what we do not do is discuss a journalist's opinion. Because it's unimportant what some other bloke thinks may happen. If you cannot see the difference then there's no wonder you do not get my point.

I'm not interested in knowing what some nobody journalist thinks may happen. He certainly shouldn't have been allowed to write an article on it with a misleading headline. If he had heard from his sources that LvG was considering selling Mata then fair enough, but it's just his opinion.

It's no more important than one of our opinions.

18.) 25 May 2014
Syd
If you don't want to you don't have to be part of the banter on this topic.
You don't have to post on this particular topic .

Why is it upsetting u so much

19.) 25 May 2014
Speak for yourself Syd, my opinion is highly sought after in some circles.

20.) 25 May 2014
Jred, it's not a topic. It's just another man's opinion. I don't mind discussing Barcelona's apparent interest in Mata as that is speculation. It's worthy of a discussion and that's what we are discussing further up the page, but I think it's a bit silly discussing another bloke's opinion that he doesn't believe Mata is a LvG player so we could sell him. If someone on this page brought the subject up then fair enough, but you especially seem to be embracing this journalist's opinion as it fits in with what you also believe, where if it was Rooney you would be stamping all over it. There is no evidence, not even speculation that LvG wants to sell Mata. It's all come from this worthless article and some bloke's opinion. Until we have even the smallest shred of evidence or even speculation that LvG doesn't want Mata, then it's not worth posting about.

Unless of course you want us to sell Mata? Then it may be worth a discussion. I couldn't give a monkey's about some bloke's opinion that has nothing to do with this page. That's all I am saying.

21.) 25 May 2014
Danny, if anyone on this page had an opinion on this I would give it the time of day, but not some bloke from the Express. Who cares what he thinks may happen? The headline was misleading and he made it as though he knew LvG wanted to sell Mata. When it's just his opinion based on these Barcelona links. Shoddy journalism.

22.) 25 May 2014
The mind boggles, Danny, as to which 'circles' they might be :)

23.) 25 May 2014
Is anybody seriously going to come out and say "LVG told me he wants rid of etc". because he wouldn't tell them anything again. It doesn't happen, if anything is ever leaked it's because puppet masters want it to leak. A newspaper journalist is just the same as an agent, probably more reliable as they have their credibility to think about, not just a better deal for their player!

24.) 25 May 2014
Mostly when my dog chases his tail.

25.) 25 May 2014
Beast, why do you think journalist's use the term "sources close to". This is just one man's opinion based on nothing. It is nonsense, are you suggesting LvG and Anthony Chapman know each other?

It's hardly surprising the two people on this page who would sell Mata are the very two embracing this naff article.

26.) 25 May 2014
Syd
You have been discussing rooney going to psg for 2 year what's the difference

27.) 25 May 2014
Syd
Just to point out nobody has said the article is true

28.) 25 May 2014
I have no idea what you are talking about Jred. How is that even the slightest bit relevant to what we are talking about? Twisting things again?

29.) 25 May 2014
"Syd
Just to point out nobody has said the article is true"

Wow, are you really this stupid or are you just pulling my leg?

How can someone's opinion be true or false? It's an opinion for Christ's sake.

Incredible :)

30.) 25 May 2014
Syd
Many have been speculating that rooney would move on this summer with out a credible source .
yet if someone mentions mata moving u have taken a hissy fit.
I don't think many believe what they read in the papers but that doesn't stop people talking about it.
there has been discussions about cavaini being linked but I don't think anyone really believed it.

Also surly people can discuss what they want on the site if u don't like it don't post on it

31.) 25 May 2014
Nobody is saying that the journo really knows that mata is not a lvg player, they are discussing if they agree or disagree with his opinion.
why are you getting your knickers in a twist.
if you don't like the subject don't post on it and leave it to others who would like to

Name calling again eh

32.) 25 May 2014
"Also surly people can discuss what they want on the site if u don't like it don't post on it".

Damn right, jred! Me and all the other surly people on here have just as much right to speak as anyone else.

33.) 25 May 2014
I don't think either Mata or Rooney will be sold. Certainly not this summer. Just like I don't think RvP will move to Italy like you do. I certainly do not entertain silly posts of journalist's opinions. I will comment on speculation, but not some nobody's opinion.

You have to admit it is annoying that every day there is someone new leaving MU.

34.) 25 May 2014
Stevie
Lol that is exactly what I meant, honest

35.) 25 May 2014
StevieK, very good :)

36.) 25 May 2014
Syd
I wouldn't be surprised if rvp moved to italy but its very unlikely now lvg has come.
I would be surprised if mata or rooney left but it won't stop people on here discussing it

37.) 25 May 2014
I'm here all week, guys.

38.) 25 May 2014
25 May 2014 22:06:03
Ha Ha. That made me laugh out loud. The words "journalist" and "credability" in the same sentence. Classic!

PS. Hope that didn't offend Ed02 seeing as so many on here appear to think he is a journalist. (which is feasible) lol