21 Jul 2014 22:15:04
Danny, the moment you mentioned " a midtable defender". Where did shaw play?
Il not highlight that statement, youve embarrased yourself enough.
Lovren was the best CB along with kompany last season and.Edd001 will back that up. Can he improve? Ofcourse
Syd, not once over 2 years have.i asked or mentioned hummels except for today asking edd002 was hummels PL bound and that he's a very good defender.
Gents, time for a break of the page ;)

1.) 21 Jul 2014
Cahill and Terry were both better than Lovren last year, and that's hard for me to admit

2.) 21 Jul 2014
The difference being 6 years. Shaw is a young talented player who became a regular first team EPL player by the age of 18. Lovren is a solid player (hardly the second best cd in the league, and miles of the standard of Hummels) but the fact that Liverpool are willing to pay so much money for him highlights how much they are struggling to sign players good enough to compete at the top level.

3.) 21 Jul 2014
Al, Shaw was 17/18 last season. It's not the same thing. Is Lovren an improvement on either of Agger or Skrtel? If he is then is he a £20m better player? Not really.

4.) 22 Jul 2014
Agger is finished lovren is miles better

5.) 22 Jul 2014
Danny, it highlights the fact that in this day and age with the increased television money that the prices for every player in the premier league are becoming inflated. Shaw was massively over priced, as was Lallana as was Borini. The price for Lovren is not out of the ordinary. Lovren looks a bargain when you consider we seem to be receiving 14 mil for Borini. I wouldn't say Lovren was 2nd best in prem but definitely top 5. With Kompany, Distin, Terry and possibly Cahill being the others.

6.) 22 Jul 2014
22 Jul 2014 00:50:53
Al,

You are embarrassing yourself tonight mate, you are right it is the perfect time for a break off our page, go and concentrate on signing average players for your champions league failure and we will keep rebuilding.

7.) 22 Jul 2014
Didn't Borini refuse to move to Sunderland? No £15m anymore.

Shaw had a huge fee, but he is an exceptional young prospect who will only get better with age. I can even see why Liverpool were willing to pay over the odds for Lallana because he fits with Rodgers system. But there are far better cbs available for less than £20m (and Southampton aren't even willing to accept that). My point is that there is a reason Liverpool have been doing their shopping exclusively at Southampton. Lovren is a good player, who would probably improve Liverpool's defence. But he isn't worth anything close to £20m and the only reason Liverpool are entertaining the prospect of paying this much for him is because they are incapable of attracting top quality players proven at the highest level.

8.) 22 Jul 2014
I still think the move is in the balance Danny, but regardless whether it goes through or not. They agreed that price. Borini is a decent player but 14 mil for him is a amazing figure! Which shows how much the price for players has inflated.

I agree with what you say about Shaw but that is still a huge amount. Even players who aren't top quality proven players are fetching ridiculous transfer fees.

Given Lovren is only 25, is already a good well established premier league defender, 20mil is not a bad price in today's market. I'm not sure there are any better options for the price who are of a similar age and have premier league experience. But just my opinion.

The point about us only looking at Southampton players is quite self explanatory. When Spurs sold Bale they bought players from all around the globe. Not being able to speak the language properly and adapting to a new country. This led to them looking very disjointed. These players at Southampton already live here and know the premier league. They'll adapt to the Liverpool way quickly. And all 3 of them fit the Rodgers way very well and improve the team. Just because they haven't signed from massive European teams or whatever doesn't really matter.

9.) 22 Jul 2014
Personally I think both sides of this argument are being somewhat disengenous.

Rodgers to be fair to him is buying premier league proven players. Probably some sense in this as unless you get genuine world class (arguably even then) there's plenty of risk that players from foreign leagues won't adapt. We all know that comes with a price premium. In terms of premier league prices 20 mill for lovren probably isn't too far off the mark.
Also with our stunning capture of Afro man for 27 million last year we can hardly crow about value for money.

That said I don't think he will improve Liverpool all that much. Time will tell I guess.

10.) 22 Jul 2014
22 Jul 2014 10:07:28
I rate Evans as highly as lovren when he's fit.

11.) 22 Jul 2014
Just wondering how much did Liverpool pay for borini in the first place?