04 Sep 2015 22:39:50
Don't think anyone has debated whether or not Rooney will be classed as a legend yet today, is everyone feeling ok?

1.) 04 Sep 2015
04 Sep 2015 23:05:23
If anything he will always be remembered somehow so i guess he will be a player talked about in years to come . P.S international breaks are so boring.

2.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 03:07:46
He will be remembered as a very very very good player but not a legend. In my eyes he can't be a legend. He didn't really fulfil his potential and he demanded pay rise twice. A very very good player but not a legend. Maybe if he wins us a european title or couple of more premier league titles then maybe yes.

3.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 07:39:12
Of course he will be a legend at utd, he will have broke ever single goalscoring record here and also at international level.

I'm not rooney's biggest fan of years gone by but you can not deny him that status as a legend at UTD.

4.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 07:59:41
Agree he's not what he was but you can't deny he was quality when he was younger. Somebody posted the other day, 10 years after he retires people won't remember the hot and cold form they'll just watch his greatest moments see his records and achievements and say I wish we had somebody like that now.

5.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 08:43:44
I think he will be remembered as a legend due to the records he will break. Over time what he did on and off the pitch gets forgotten the only thing left will be the records. No one remembers the bad games that Charlton, Law, Robson or Keane had. And no one really cares about the controversies that Best brought upon the club.

Us fans now may have a slightly different view but the young fans around now won't really know or fully understand the issues some of us older fans have with Rooney.

For me the whole holding the club to ransom does leave a bad taste in the mouth, and it probably does more so than when Keane did it for two reasons, one being he was threatening to go to City and two because he's a scouser. Both are probably silly reasons but its how I feel. But that isn't the biggest issue I have with Rooney, my biggest issue with him and the reason why for me he won't be remembered as a legend is the unfulfilled potential. He had more natural talent that Ronaldo but look at what Ronaldo has achieved through hard work and dedication. Rooney works hard for 90 minutes but that is as far as his dedication goes. He isn't prepared to put the extra work on the training ground to make the most of his talent and he isn't prepared to taylor his lifestyle to give himself the best chance of longivity.

I am thankful for the goals he's scored and for what he's done on the pitch for us, but he could have been so much more and for that in my opinion he won't be a legend.

Fortunately for mr Rooney my opinion means very little in terms of his legacy. History will be kinder and he will be looked back on as a legend.

6.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 09:30:20
Agree with shappy. Ultimately its the not fulfilling his potential that's disappointing

7.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 09:47:05
im not sure rooney had more potential than ronaldo , he was the better player at a younger age but he was never a very skillful player in the way ronaldo was.
giggs had more potential than both of them yet people don't really talk about giggs unfulfilled potential

8.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 10:18:23
Ronaldo scored more goals last season than Rooney has over the last THREE seasons. 61 to 49, Rooney is younger than Ronaldo and was always considered the more talented when they first came to United. Even for the first few years when they played for us it was always expected for Rooney to become a better player than Ronaldo.

Rooney was faster, stronger, had a better shot, was a far better passer, had a better understanding of team play and of the game around him. The only thing Ronaldo had was a few more tricks, but as a teenager Ronaldo used to trip himself up as often as he would beat a man with his tricks. He also used to run down blind alleys and played too much with his head down.
But he worked on his game and improved himself to exceed his precieved potential. Where as Rooney coasted. That for me is far more unforgivable than just wanting a pay rise.

9.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 10:24:43
2008: Ronaldo Tevez and Rooney upfront. Fabulous attacking side. Rooney was at the same level as Ronaldo at that point but Ronaldo fulfilled that potential whereas Rooney has treaded water to an extent, albeit at a high level.

10.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 10:52:20
Thats a good shout on Giggs jred, thought he was going to become unstoppable early on but he never quite reached the levels I hoped. People don't slag him off for it and rightly so.

11.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 11:42:16
Giggs was held back by his dodgy hamstrings hence taking up yoga. Waynes been held up by his dodgy chip butties

12.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 11:47:20
I completely agree Shappy. I know Fergie had an axe to grind with Rooney, but there's a lot of truth in his claims that Rooney struggled to follow through with more technical and tactical development, and would usually revert back to an intuitive style of play.

For a boy with so much talent it's obvious that his development never accelerated like Ronaldo, Messi or even Bale. Will be remembered as a top class talent that never pushed himself into the very top rung of world class players.

13.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 11:47:44
shaps
rooney was never faster than ronaldo.
rooney was an adult at 18 he linked the game up a scored goals, he was a player capable on doing something that changed the game.
but he wasnt the most skillful player , he wasnt going to dribble round 3 players , ronaldo was raw but he had bags and bags of talent and a lot of room for improvement.

how much better could rooney get ? the press hyped him up but rooney was never going to be a messi or maradonna.
what he was going to be is a top top striker and imo that's what he has been.
he will finish as united and englands record goal scorer and has won more or less everything.
in 2010 he was as good as any striker in the world ,i think 2012 was his best year.
but people bought into the hype the papers put on a young english player.
he will go down as an english and united legend , in a time that messi and ronaldo have made great players look average .
rooney never had the skill for the very very top the maradona level but he has been a great player.

giggs has also been a great player but he had the talent to be a lot lot better imo he could of been right up there

14.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:19:55
Hmm not sure about the Giggs remark jred. No doubt Giggs was a great player, celebrated more for his longetivity and unwavering loyalty to UTD than let's say being as talented as best, ronaldo, scholes etc. Who were all ahead of the pack. Giggs was an incredible talent who had incredible speed, dribbling ability and a great footballing brain but I don't think he had anywhere near the ability of the names mentioned above. That's my opinion anyway.

15.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 12:39:45
angle
at the age of 17 to 21 giggs looked like he had all the talent to be up there with the very best the fact you say he is celebrated more for his longetivity than his talent says it all when asking if he reached his potential

16.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 13:08:21
No, I'm saying that because he wasn't as talented as others he is then celebrated more for his longevity.

I admit from 17 he looked a great talent but not on the same level as ronaldo etc. He then went to have a fantastic career. I think he fulfilled his potential. One man who didn't in that era was lee Sharpe. What a player

17.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 13:37:44
angle
i don't think a young ronaldo looked that much better than a young giggs .
at 17 i would say giggs defo looked better .

18.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 14:05:32
I think I'll have to disagree on this one jred. Ronaldo for me looked to be a much better player when I watched him at that age.

19.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 15:11:37
Giggs was absolutely lauded aged 17, more than Ronaldo for sure, and had been impressing many within the game since the age of 14 or less. And he actually was likened to Best at the time.

He had a great career and awesome longevity but when he was 17 I thought he would go on to become the world's best or at least very close, which he never quite lived up to.

Nothing against Giggsy, he was my hero (along with Cantona and Scholes) but I think some people forget just how good he was back then.

20.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 15:56:43
Shappy what club anywhere in any league in the world does not or would not regard thier highest ever goalscorer as a legend. Come on mate he may not have been your favourite Untied player of all time but he is and will be a legend of the club.

21.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 16:19:39
hb
i with you .
the where rumours about giggs when he was 14 people had already started with the next best .
at 17 he was probably the most exciting player since best .
hero of mine but could of done far more and i'm not sure why he never

22.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 17:12:55
Tbf jred I think his hamstring problems didn't help but I'm not sure how much, they seemed to clear up a bit by his prime years.

23.) 05 Sep 2015
05 Sep 2015 17:51:45
thats true but like u say he got over them.
to be fair we are nit picking a bit he was a very good player.

24.) 06 Sep 2015
06 Sep 2015 07:20:08
Shappy

Rooney was not faster and neither did he have a better shot than Ronaldo.Completely different players if you ask me and technically Ronaldo was always way ahead of Rooney at anytime during their younger years.

I was in Ibiza with Christain Vieri in July and it was interesting to talk football with someone like him and get their opinions and views of current and past players. BTW thinks Messi is a layer above everyone else. Likes Rooney for his passion and work ethic on the pitch and reckons he can play for any team in the world.

Finally i also think that injury against Munich did something as he has not been the same since then. We should have never played him in that game.