20 Feb 2016 13:38:39
Hi Ed's,

With the constant talk of Van Gaal leaving (I'd have set him packing ages ago) do you think Mourinho will be brought in?

Also, everyone/ players I mean, the top ones anyway want CL football so where will that leave us also? Will there be clauses in the contracts or? I really don't know?

Will they be shown a longer term plan that includes future CL aspirations etc or money?

Cheers for any information given!

Ronnie.

1.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 17:46:10
There are pros and cons about appointing Mourinho and specifically when he should be appointed.

Things to consider are:- if he came in could he realistically get 4th spot. Not out of the question and the teams above could lose a couple of games.

Impact:- how much impact will he be able to insert straight away. If it takes a few games then it's not too bad. If he has a philosophy like LVG then it could take years.

Club image:- his most recent public reactions to blaming the Chelsea physio were nothing short of being petulant. His arrogance is perhaps similar to LVG and look and what affect that had on the team.

Style and play:- the United ethos is about attacking, high tempo passionate football. Mourinho isn't really known for this. Although last season Chelsea did play some great football and at RM they played well.

Guarantees:- he wins wherever he goes. Providing you dig deep into your pockets.

Long term assurances:- not known For his commitment. There again not many managers these days are.

All in all given the availability of managers he would represent the best solution for us. I'd certainly stick a few stipulations into his contract about his behaviour.
He wants the job. Emulating Fergie would be his greatest achievement.

2.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 18:55:43
Thanks for your info and reply Madhatter!

Regards, Ronnie.

3.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 19:23:22
There is always lots of talk about how mourinho buys success but he didn't spend much for the success he had at Porto or Inter and how much say did he have on the spending at Real? The thing with the doctor at Chelsea was terrible and I'm sure he must regret it now also a possible factor in his behaviour (but not an excuse) could be the reported illness of his father.

4.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 19:25:02
I honestly don't think his lack of longevity in managerial roles is a negative. I don't think too many on here want him, but a lot accept that he may be a bitter pill we need to swallow for now. Surely, for this majority, Mourinho coming in and steadying the ship before parting ways after 3 years is the ideal situation? We get back on track and we don't get stuck with the negatives for yonks? Provided he doesn't leave the club in disarray, I think 3 years of Mourinho is a price worth paying if it means halting the decline.

5.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 20:24:22
I want mourinho, I wanted him after SAF. He wanted United then and now, he will create that us and them mentality that we had under SAF, he will buy the right player of the right age for the right positions, he will get the best out of the top players that are already at the club, he has a ton of respect for Fergie and the club, he would have if backed properly at Chelsea last Sumer have created another title challenging squad, it was the clubs failure to back him created his mood for the season, can we really criticise Jose for wanting better all the time and wanting to build the legacy he would've still been in if backed. He and SAF have lots in common and these traits make for a successful manager and team, I fail to see the argument that he is a boring manager, not so at Porto, 1st spell at Chelsea, won the treble with Inter when Italian footbsll was on it's knees, Real and the first half of last season with Chelsea again, he has plans b and c if he can't win flashy. So wether he's here for 3 years and hands over to a hopefully proven, ready Giggs or stays for a long old time I am happy for that and would welcome him with open arms. Managers like him don't come along often so why should we cut our nose off to spite our face, he's the man for the job.

6.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 20:24:44
What bitter pill do you need to swallow? He probably has the best record and CV in world football right now, has succeeded everywhere he's been and almost guarantees success. He's got all the arrogance needed for a massive club like ours. Don't get why so many are against it. Plus modern managers don't stay at clubs for 15 years, it's a thing of the past. Bring him in all day long for me!

7.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 21:24:56
Stand, there is a plethora of caveats that people have, just read the page. His lack of youth promotion, his supposed anti-football tactics (I'm not an advocate of this, I just see it as a guy who knows how to win the big games), his off the field drama, his tendency to leave a mess for the next manager, to name a few. I understand every manager has their flaws and you're not going to get a Fergie mk. 2 (though I'm sure there were plenty of flaws there), but people's problem with Mourinho is that his flaws are particularly 'un-Manchester United' flaws - like his lack of attention to youth. Now I'm playing devil's advocate here and listing the negatives, as you asked, I still think he's the best option available and I'll take him tomorrow and wait for Poch to get bored of Spurs being tied up in a new stadium and financially restricted. However, with all that said, he still isn't my ideal choice, hence why it's a compromise.

8.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 22:08:59
It's not just a Jose thing tho not bringing thru youth it's the way the instant success generation has become, partuculary at top clubs, and Jose being a top manager he generally manages them, top clubs don't have time to bring youth players on anymore unfortunately, Jose isn't the only manager to label that at, who have city really brought through, arsenal not many who stay, United not had great success of late, ok spurs are doing well atm. I only see him play anti football, park the bus types when he's in a must not lose game against big clubs, this is a myth to me in general. He does have an abrasive personality and causes controversy but I think this is part of his protect the players, he takes the hear us against them winning mentality. Again it's not just just who has 3 years leaves, repeat, many managers are this way, instant success means a handover is likely going to leave a rebuild, nobody can replicate SAF or Wenger and rebuild whilst competing anymore. Jose has faults as did fergie but I believe given the chance he would do right by United. It's all well and good hoping we have ably her class if 92 and a gentleman manager, it may never happen or get us back near the top again tho. Nice doesn't get you anywhere in this business.

9.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 22:38:10
Long time reader 1st time poster. I think Jose should have been 1st choice to take over after fergie. he would have kept that fear factor and winning mentality at the club. A lot of people say he doesn't stay longer than 3 years at a club but I'd disagree I think given the right job he'd like to stay and create something special. he won everything at Porto and moved to a better league. done well at Chelsea before falling out with Abramovich but let's face it not many managers get on with him. won everything at Inter then left for Madrid because who can say no to Madrid. I think he sees United as the biggest job in the world and emulating fergie as his biggest challenge.

10.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 22:43:46
Only post when either I've had a few or during a window but got to say I'm completely with Somerset. We r in serious need of someone with a genuine pair of crackers. 10 years ago van gaal might of been that man but 100@% he definitely isn't now. Mourinho will bring drama tactical nous and a winning mentality that for me is unparalleled. He definitely has flaws but who doesn't? I'd love giggs to be the man to bring that bite back along with the majority of fans but we need guarantees. Pep going to shitty is a declaration of war and we need our board to stand staunch not melt. Yes it's a big ask but as a club people who have the knowledge should be consulted eg saf there cannot be a better candidate than mourinho to take us back up the table. Sorry bout that. Back to the fridge.

11.) 20 Feb 2016
20 Feb 2016 23:01:44
I agree with you on the youth point, it is a generational thing, but I do think he's a flag bearer for that. In his defence though, I think that the youth ethos at Chelsea ran a lot deeper than Jose and he can't really be blamed for that.

However, although Iheanacho is the only player of note from the City academy in recent memory, in the next few years I'm sure we'll see this change with the investment they've made into the set up. I'm with you on the fact that instant success is the most desirable outcome financially and with the current generation of fans. Still, call me greedy, but this is Manchester United and we should have one of the best academies in the world and a manager who will appreciate it. As it stands, we're light years behind even the best academy in the city.

I definitely agree on the protecting his players point, he does take a lot of the flak off of them and presumably deals with it behind closed doors. There was a point before Christmas when it was noticeable that he stopped doing this and I wonder whether this was when Oscar and co decided to stop playing for him.

Like I said above also, I don't think he is necessarily negative, he just knows how to win the big games - and I will always take a defensive 1-0 win at Anfield over an exciting draw or defeat - the result in those games is exciting enough!

I honestly think we're saying similar things, my point was that there are a lot of negatives to him but the reality of management nowadays is that they have short tenures and it's in their personal interest to enhance their CV rather than leave a legacy. The perfect guy who's going to stick around isn't available, so our best bet is a known winner who has some flaws but who is one of the best candidates to come in, sort out the mess and then move on - at which point I hope Poch is ready to step up, or Giggsy has proven his worth at a mid table club.

12.) 21 Feb 2016
21 Feb 2016 01:22:30
You can only bring the youth through if they are good enough how many Chelsea youngsters have gone on to be top players of the required level?

13.) 21 Feb 2016
21 Feb 2016 01:54:57
I agree, I defended Jose when it came to Chelsea and said that the ethos there runs deeper than him. I don't think he is to blame there, but I can't think of many examples of people he's given chances to, instead he's relied on bringing in his kind of player from other clubs.

14.) 21 Feb 2016
21 Feb 2016 10:11:22
Yeah agreed Somerset, I was just answering your devils advocate questions ha. I think he is the man for the job and hopefully what Morrati sister said today is accurate. I've missed the media and rival fans hating us tbh Jose will deff bring that back to us. All we have now is pity off rivals and media and that's what the worst thing about us atm.

15.) 21 Feb 2016
21 Feb 2016 15:30:47
Definitely, we need to reintroduce the swagger bag at OT where we've won games before kick off just by being in the opponents head, and if anyone is a candidate for being hard to beat at home, it's Jose.