19 Apr 2014 19:37:23
There were those who asked for the mangers head when we got knocked out by Sunderland in the league cup because of a howler by DDG.

Watching first city and now chelsea stumble when it counts most brings me to 2 conclusions, one this sunderland team is better than the points suggest and both sets of players for Chelsea and City should hang their head and they have truly choked.

I wonder what the comments would be if it was us. The worst f. ng thing is the scouters have won the league and I am going to go puke now.

1.) 19 Apr 2014
Liverpool are talking advantage of a poor league, just like we did last season. Although I think it's a poorer league this season. Spurs look shocking without Bale. Like they have lost all belief. Chelsea and City have lost to lower teams all season, Arsenal choking like usual and ourselves having the worst time in decades. Liverpool are the only side that's improved and they are taking full advantage of it.

In regards to the people wanting Moyes' head after the Sunderland game. People have wanted his head all season and have a very good point. We are 7th after winning the league just months before. Not all Moyes' fault, but it's fully understandable why people want him gone. It's it certainly justified.

2.) 19 Apr 2014
Hopefully Chelsea can beat the scouse mob, and then if City beat Everton, basically win the rest of their games, City will win the league, which would be much better than the scousers. After all I don't have the money for a three week holiday let alone the three month holiday I would need to miss the entire summer. Also I wouldn't mind watching the world cup and I don't want every comment from the pundits and so on for the England matches being about how Liverpool won the league.

3.) 19 Apr 2014
Sydney, this is the most competitive premier league in a long time, when's the last time 11 points seperated 1st - 5th with 4 games to go? Everyone is losing games now because that is the the premier league, that's why it's the best league in the world.

Chelsea and City have both lost 6 games so far which is only one more loss than last season (Utd) and the season (City) before champions lost.

4.) 19 Apr 2014
It's more competitive or in other words "closer" because the standard has dropped. Only Liverpool have improved this season whilst everyone else have stagnated or regressed. Liverpool have taken full advantage of it and if Liverpool win the league, then they deserve it.

No one will convince me Spurs, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or MU have improved this season. Standards have dropped.

5.) 19 Apr 2014
Chelsea and City both have much better squads than they did last season, Spurs have never been a challenger and Arsenal have had a better season than last, they've already reached the FA cup final and look like they'll get top four once more.

The standard hasn't dropped, the leagues got much more competitive.

6.) 19 Apr 2014
MU have a better squad than last season, but we haven't improved have we? Neither have City and Chelsea.

The standard has dropped significantly this season and Spurs, Chelsea, City & ourselves all have new managers.

Listen I am not taking anything away from Liverpool, you have been excellent this season and if you win the league, you deserve it.

7.) 19 Apr 2014
Sydney, am not bothered whether or not you think we deserve it, my arguement is that Chelsea and City haven't stagnated, Chelsea have been significantly better this season than last season, do you remember how they we're performing under Di Matteo/Benitez last season?

People are trying to make up stupid excuses for Liverpools resurgence and it's extremely pathetic.

8.) 20 Apr 2014
The only sides in the top half of last season's table that have notably improved this season are Liverpool and Everton. Even the likes of Swansea, WBA, WHU, Southampton etc have regressed.

The EPL's standards have been dropping for a few years now and at this moment in time it's at it's all time low. MU took advantage of a declining league last season, Liverpool are doing it this season.

I think it will start to improve next season with managers having a year to settle and transitions nearing an end for some of the clubs (not MU). Football works in cycles. That's football! Now I bid you goodnight ;)

9.) 20 Apr 2014
Syd
Arsenal city liverpool and chelsea have more points and have played better football than they did last year.

Last year I argued united had won a poor league that the standard of football was poor .i can't remember a really good team last year .

You argued it was the strongest ever, obviously because we where top and where therefore a great team winning a great league.
Now that we are not you are trying to argue its a poor league in decline .
Lol

10.) 20 Apr 2014
Thanks Jred, It's nice to see a non bias view.

{Ed007's Note - You lost the argument when you said the EPL was the best league in the world. Jred isn't agreeing with you, he's disagreeing with Syd, there's a difference.}

11.) 20 Apr 2014
What is the best league in the world?
prob la liga, but I think the Epl has improved on last year, its been a better standard of football than last year even with fergy I don't think we would of walked the league by 11 points this year

12.) 20 Apr 2014
Plymouth Red you say you don't care whether Syd! thinks you deserve it and then at the end of your next post you are complaining about people making 'pathetic excuses for Liverpool's resurgence' so, quite clearly, that is exactly what you care about. Like it or not the rest of the PL have closed in on the top 4-6 but those top few clubs, despite the quality of player, are no better than they were last season. Chelsea have become less attractive to watch, City have become more attractive but BETTER? I think not. As Syd says the only teams in the top 6 to improve from last season are Liverpool and Everton. The league may be more competitive as the lower standard has been raised but the higher standard has remained the same.

13.) 20 Apr 2014
Jred will always try to disagree with me, even if he knows I am correct. He cannot help being the t!t he is.

There is no way the league has improved on last season. Utter nonsense as only Liverpool and Everton have improved.

14.) 20 Apr 2014
TK, city, Chelsea and arsenal all have more points than last season, therefor they have all clearly improved, it isn't an opinion it's a fact.

15.) 20 Apr 2014
TK, finally someone talking a little sense. Only the Liverpool sides have notably improved this season, even teams like Sunderland, Stoke, WHU, WBA, Southampton & Swansea have regressed and were much harder to beat last season. Newcastle, Fulham & Villa have gone to sh!te. Teams like Wigan and bottom of the table Sunderland have been able to beat or draw against the so called top clubs. The lower table teams have improved overall over the years due to having more money and being able to compete for better players, but these teams have taken a dip recently.

16.) 20 Apr 2014
Plymouth, they have more points because the rest of the league's teams are easier to beat. Like I said, the only teams arguably in the whole division that have improved this season are the two Liverpool sides. Teams like Stoke who were hard to beat at home are easier to beat due to their change of footballing philosophy. Swansea who were excellent last season have been a washout. Southampton who are still a decent side this season were much harder to play against last season. They gave all of the top sides a hard time. Spurs were playing some excellent football last season with the likes of Bale, they have significantly regressed as have we. Neither Chelsea or City have taken the league by the scruff of the neck, unlike Liverpool. For me Liverpool have been excellent this season and they fully deserve to be where they are, but the league is not very strong at the moment. It will be better next season when Chelsea finally complete their transition. Pellegrini will have a season under his belt and will finally sort out their defence. We are just starting our transition, as are Spurs. Arsenal are still lacking 1-2 top players who they will probably sign this summer. I think the league will be stronger next season, but we will be ready to challenge a year and a bit from now.

17.) 20 Apr 2014
In 2001 we got more points than we did in 1999 yet in 1999 we won the treble and in 2001 we won only the league so which season would you say we were the better side? Talk of improvement doesn't only come down to points totals but then we know how you lot like your "facts".

18.) 20 Apr 2014
Syd tk
last season when I argued the standard of the league had dropped it was you 2 who disagreed you both argued it was stronger than ever.
last year united imo were not that great but won the league by 11 points due to the poor standard, chelsea and city in particular where below par.you both strongly disagreed.
the standard of football from the top 4 has been much better than last year imo.
united won the title by 11 points last year I don't think even with fergy we would be 11 points ahead this year .
Im actually dissapointed you have both back traked so much on this point the site is about opinions and is better when people stand by them

19.) 20 Apr 2014
Spurs have a similar amount of points to what they had last season. Are they better this season? Not even close. They have been murdered on a few occasions this season by the better sides just like us and it's been humiliating for them, just like us. Last season's Spurs were great to watch and were a tough team to beat home and away. As were we. This season they have been diabolical and they still have a similar amount of points to last season. What does that say? Ourselves and Spurs have not taken many points from the top sides this season. That is why the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, City etc have a few more points than last season. That and the lower league teams being easier to beat.

20.) 20 Apr 2014
Jred, what I said was the lower league sides are stronger than they were 5-10 years ago due to having more money to spend, leveling the playing field more. And they still are better than they used to be, but over the season the lower league sides have been poor. No one has backtracked.

21.) 20 Apr 2014
Heed- you're a liar, plain and simple. Find a post by me saying that last season the league was as strong as ever. You won't be able to as, again, you're talking out of your backside.

22.) 20 Apr 2014
What's more, Jred, the issue isn't about the quality of the league last season, it is about whether it has improved THIS season. I know you enjoy slightly changing the issue just to suit your desire to disagree with Syd! but what you're saying is irrelevant to this discussion.

23.) 20 Apr 2014
Tk syd
After the very long debate we had last year on the quality of the league I am honestly disappointed by your back traking.
United won the league by 11 points last year I don't think they would of won this league by the same amount as everton city chelsea arsenal liverpool the teams that imo will finish in the top 5 have been better than last year .
I think it would be harder to finish above them teams this year than last.

Tk
i argued the quality of the epl had dipped and that once over if you won the epl you where prob the best team in europe, I backed this up by pointing out the amount of teams we had in the last 4 of the CL.
You argued the standard hadnt dropped other leagues had just got better.
I still think the standard has dropoed but if you want to call me a liar then fine.

24.) 20 Apr 2014
Jred, you are just proving that you do not listen to what people are saying.

The league as a whole 'IS' better than it was 5-10 years ago, the gap between the top sides and the lower league sides has narrowed considerably. The lower teams have improved due to more money in the game. They can buy better players and pay better salaries. But over the past year or so the lower league sides have gotten worse. The league in general has dropped a standard. I am not saying that's the only reason Liverpool are doing so well as I think if they were playing like this last season, they would have finished 2nd. All I am saying is the league this year is pretty poor, more so than last season. No one is backtracking, this is a different argument to the one we had last season.

25.) 20 Apr 2014
Syd
I don't think the league as a whole is better than it was 5 years ago.
I still maintain that you had to be a better team to win the league a few year back than last season.
I said last season it was a poor league you disagreed.
This year the top 5 imo have played better than last year, united may of been up there but they wouldn't of been 11 points ahead of city 14 ahead of chelsea or17 ahead of arsenal like they where last year imo.
I think last years united team would of found it harder to win the league this year than last.
I don't think the standard has dropped this year compared to last to be honest .

26.) 20 Apr 2014
Am I missing the point here if the leagues standards have dropped doesn't that mean utds decline is even more startling? Football chaps goes through cycles what makes this league the best is that over the decades many teams win the league, not quite so in Spain or Germany, embrace it for what it is you can only beat what's around you no one remembers poor years etc plain and simple the best team always wins the league