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31 May 2014 13:02:43
GDS2, you asked earlier if I'd be happy if Liverpool buy Moreno, Lambert and Lallana. I'd be extremely happy, we haven't had a good left back for what 6 years? since Riise left, Lallana will be a great addition, he can play many roles and he'll fit our philosophy, as for Lambert who would you rather have on your bench Lambert or Aspas?
Anyway these won't be our only additions, Ed02 has said we've enquired about Hector Moreno, Lovren and Caulker, so we're clearly showing intent at bring in 1-2 CB's, Ed001 has mentioned we've had a look at a few goalkeepers, so we may see a new one and we've also been looking at a few left wingers.
Would you be happy with Indi, Shaw, Clasie and Depay? (constructive replys, no rants).
{Ed004's Note - I don't think I'd be happy with them four. Only Shaw of them IMO looks likely to be world class}
1.) I don't think Liverpool should be replacing players. I think you need to add players.
I wouldn't mind Indi and Shaw. But LvG will know best and if he wanted Clasie and Depay, then who are we to question it. He works with them and knows their qualities.
2.) Personally I would be happy with that. Although there's a 'lack' of superstar names I wouldn't be angry if they were our only signings.
Indi - Is a very good centre back.
Shaw - Well he has the potential to be a great.
Clasie - He's always been raved about on here and has the potential to be a terrific midfielder.
Depay - He's no Bale or Pedro but he's very good on the ball, very direct and very quick so, yeah I'd be happy with him as well.
My only concern would me that we're only bringing in 1 Central Midfielder.
I'd want to see someone like Carvalho or perhaps even Song come in as well.
Just for a little reinforcement. But if we were to sign Clasie only and then bring in Strootman next summer or January then I'm more than happy with that.
It allows Powell/Cleverley/Anderson to try and gain some form before they're moved on.
{Ed004's Note - I do not rate Clasie highly at all. I could understand Indi instead of Hummels but always thought we should sign Garay, Shaw will be a future great. Clasie just isn't good enough imo. Would just show IMO we can't get our top midfield targets such as fabregas, kroos etc and I'm undecided on Depay. He would certain offer more than our current wingers. Indi, Shaw and Depay along with two midfielders or real quality would be very good (Fabregas/Koke/Kroos and Carvalho/Vidal etc)}
3.) Personally I think Lambert is a good bit of business at the prices being bandied about, not entirely sure about Lallana but time will tell I suppose.
Mereno is a good player and a vast improvement on what you have atm. As for the 4 you have put forward for us I would be more than happy with them as long as we got in a couple of recognised experienced talented players to complement them.
4.) I do largely agree ed. Indi for me is more like Stam who was a huge success. I think Koke and Strootman would be one of the best pairings. Full of energy, drive and some good passing range.
5.) Ed, For me Clasie is as good as Veratti. but because he plays in a less covered league he very rarely gets a mention.
IF we do sign him though we will need a Carvalho next to him.
6.) I didn't ask if you were happy I asked if you felt they would improve you enough to compete in all 4 competitions?
The 4 players you listed would be decent but I think we would need another top centre midfielder to go alongside them to be honest.
I think the difference between united and Liverpool is that uniteds current players can't be as bad as last season, under a new more respected manager there is a great chance they will improve. Liverpool on the other hand had a great season, their players were full of confidence, playing week in week out and performing at a high standard. Can them current players continue at that level with champions league to contend with.
Also the expectation at Liverpool is higher now, the fans will be expecting a title push next season, whereas united fans will be happy if we can get back in the champions league and improve again next summer.
7.) Got to agree with ed about claise. wouldn't be an improvement on what he currently have. Very similar to cleverley and look at the abuse he gets. Claise is another average midfielder who doesn't score or assist enough
8.) GDS2, of course they can, people make UCL sound worse than it is, it's only an extra 6 games before December and an extra 7 after December, so it's only 13 extra games (that's if we make the final), Brendan will also most likely play a lot of our youngsters in the League and FA cup, so yes I do think it'll be enough, I think we'll cope fine.
9.) Plymouth what it means is potentially 13 weeks of playing twice in one week as opposed to 13 weeks of playing just once like last season. Gerrard will not be able to play so many games and injuries will be crazy. It makes a massive difference.
10.) Guess that says it all about your lack of recent experience in the champions league. It makes a huge huge difference especially to older players. They aren't just 6 random games they are 6 games that players need to step up in and prove themselves, leaving tired legs for weekend games.
11.) Then try fitting in three games in eight days. Liverpool looked shattered towards the end of the season last season.
12.) 31 May 2014 20:48:43
Sydney
We need to add players, No doubt, But Its the same title we have won 5 times, We are not entering CL for the first time like Spurs or Everton, that we crumble under pressure.
But I got your point.
17 May 2014 21:21:17
Supasub in response to
"Plymouth, la masia was turned from a social building to house the youngsters in the late 70's. Cruyff didn't manage Barca until the late 80's. So who was responsible for all the liga titles, uefa cups and cup winners cups previously? You say cruyff was responsible for la masia so I looked it up. It was turned into a building to house the youth by Josep Nunez who was the then president. Again where are your posts on your Liverpool page when I looked a couple of weeks ago? Your obsessed with disagreeing on here and you get caught out."
Johan cruyff Met with the then president Josep Nunez in 1979(shortly after he left Barcelona as a player), where he gave Nunez a thorough brief through on his idea on "La Masia" which Nunez followed through with.
Check in future before going all guns blazing.
1.) Plymouth were you in on that "thorough briefing" by cruyff the player who had just left the club? you said cruyff is responsible for the set up of la masia and making Barca the club they are today. He did this after he left the club as a player? I will ask the same question again, quite clearly. How did this club already have a great history with uefa cup, cup winners cup, liga titles be a great club developed by someone who hadn't even played for them yet. And la masia which already existed was set up by a player after a briefing who'd just left the club? And for the 3rd time( just from me, not including other suspicious posters here) where are your posts on your Liverpool page?
2.) Plymouth, What you've said is like me saying Dalgleish is responsible or all of liverpools success and when he left/retired as a player he had a "thorough briefing" with joe fagan and made liverpool what they are today, forgetting any success they had previously from day one.?
3.) "Joe, I think you need to play pass and move. Yeah ok Kenny. It's not something myself or the club are familiar with but it's a cracking idea." Ok apologies fellow posters/ed but I reiterate plymouths obsession with disagreeing with selective posts on here yet contributing nothing to his own supportive club page.
I'm going to polish off the rest of my Bourdeaux and foxtrot oscar to bed.
4.) I didn't say he made them a "great club" I said he's responsible for the way they're playing now and for the great players they have/are producing.
Check my post's if you want to see my Pool post's by clicking on my username.
5.) If you click my username you can see I contribute to my "supporting clubs page".
What Dalglish done at Liverpool compared to what Cruyff done at Barcelona has no resemblance, Dalglish had an outstanding time at Liverpool but Cruyff set Barcelona up for years of unparalleled success, playing some of the most beautiful football the games seen.
6.) Plymouth
Sod off back to your own page and whilst there, learn how to use apostrophes
7.) Send me your address AJH, maybe you can teach me, seeing as you're such an expert.
P.s are united still tracking " Shneydjer"
8.) Plymouth, your words were " cruyff made Barca the club they are today". So I'll ask another question again, how did Barca get cruyff as a player who was arguably the best player In the world at the time yet you say the same player was responsible for the club they are today in the future? The same Barca era who I think also had neeskens from Ajax, one of the greatest players of that era also. Someone is talking from their hoop. Barca were already a great club before cruyff was involved. They've been influenced by cruyff as they have by many other people but it's certainly not the case that cruyff made Barca the club they are today. They have a long great history that has a lot if roots from our own country.
9.) 'years of unparalleled success'? Barcelona had three years where they were the best team on the planet. The rest of the time they've just been a very good team like Bayern, United or Chelski.
Was their success really 'unparalleled'? Not at all. Plenty of clubs have had spells that have matched Barcelona's in terms of success. Us in the three years prior to Barcelona. Bayern the past few seasons and Milan in the 90's too.
As for their football being beautiful - most people I know find it boring (myself included).
{Ed004's Note - I thought Bayerns football during the treble was twice as entertaining as Barcelonas. Same with utd the year we had Ronaldo etc}
10.) Supasub, he clearly did make them the club they are today, I didn't say they weren't a great team before he came him, my argument is that he set them up for the future and without him they wouldn't of/been producing fantastic homegrown players with fantastic technical ability, who play with the same philosophy through all age groups.
Redseven, Pep's barca are the most technical gifted side footballs seen, we'll most likely never see a team like it again, what they achieved in that 3 year period hasn't been matched anywhere else, they we're unstoppable.
11.) 18 May 2014 00:47:00
Whilst its true the Cruyff suggested la masia to Nunez he based it on the ajax mode, same as when he was manager he based his philosophy on what he learned under Rinus Michels who managed both Ajax and Barcelona. And he developed ideas from Jack Reynolds and Vic Buckingham. Buckingham managed both clubs as well. So if anyone is the father of modern barca its those 3. All Cruyff did is impose and already existing philosophy onto barca. Van Gaal being ex ajax carried it on. Also its van gaal who gave debuts to the likes of puyol and xavi and others from la masia allowing the core of the team to be in place for Rijkaard and Pep to build on which is supasubs original point I believe. Cruyff was hardly innovative just continuing his mentors philosophy.
12.) Muddled - What exactly did they achieve? Three domestic titles, one domestic cup and two champions leagues (I'm not counting all of the one/two game trophies they won).
Madrid won five European cups on the bounce back in the 50's, Ajax and Bayern each won three in a row in the early 70's, Nottingham Forest and Milan won back to back European cups in the late 80's and if it weren't for this Barcelona team peaking when they did - I've no doubt we would have won 3 Champions League titles in 4 years (2008-2011).
Even Liverpool bettered Barcelona's 'unparalleled success' between 81 and 84 (three league titles, 4 league cups and 2 European cups).
There is always one team who spends a period at the top and for me Barcelona's was not unlike any other. They were no more successful than any of the other teams who'd enjoyed a similar spell of success and whilst it's hard to argue that they weren't an incredibly gifted group of players - they were also an incredibly boring group of players to watch (with the exception of Messi).
13.) PR send me your address and I will gladly come and teach you!
{Ed002's Note - We are not running a dating agency here man.}
14.) No I leave the dating to GCU and Big Al!
17 May 2014 13:05:20
Regarding my earlier post's about LvG, how can you say he set Barcelona up for success? It's evident that Johan Cruyff set up La Masia, implementing total football/tiki taka through all group ages.
He set Bayern Munich up for the success they're having now? he destroyed team morale so badly that the team we're lingering in 4th position which would mean they wouldn't achieve a champions league spot, in a weak league where they should be achieving top 2 minimum.
So to your answer Pancho, no am not worried, I cannot wait for you to appoint this clown.
1.) Well you would say that wouldn't you Plymouth? You're the most bitter, obnoxious, pretentious t*t I have perhaps ever seen on these forums. And claiming you're not worried? Ha! Going to such lengths to reassure your own fragile belief says it all.
2.) Why is a liverpool fan on the United page? What a troll. Clearly only here for a reaction. he's just happy his team did well one year but still couldn't add to the trophy cabinet :D Always next year eh. providing they don't slip again ;)! Pahha
3.) Plymouth, cruyff own nothing in his last 2 years as Barca manager. Does that make him a clown also?
All cruyff installed was a philosophy from Ajax arguably invented by an Englishman (jack Reynolds as previously pointed out by mort), then Rinus Michels ajax era. Lvg has had the benefit along with cruyff of the Ajax and Barca setup and was successful probably as successful if not more than cruyff in his managerial career which hasn't ended yet. Yet you don't rate them much and label lvg a clown.
As your on this page a lot with your "banter" remember a couple of weeks ago on a rare occasion having a look specifically for any posts by yourself and surprise surprise there were none. Have a think about that tonight when your tucked up in your Manchester United pj's clutching your megastore teddy.
4.) Supasub, without Cruyff La Masia wouldn't exist, he made Barcelona what they are today, LvG reaped the benefits of Cruyff's great work.
5.) Plymouth, have you been banned from the liverpool forum?
You know very little, Plymouth. LVG codified the work of Cruyff and created the blue print for the way Barcelona play today. He did the same at Ajax.
He has won league titles at every club he has ever been at.
I would be worried if I were you. Some of the players' you're being linked with are not going to make you into a super-power of European football. You don't have the money. 60 million will buy you one world class player and a couple of top players'. We will sign at least one world class player in this window, and up to 4 top players', which will completely transform the team, and put them back challenging for honours.
Your team done great this season, but you still won sod all.
6.) The notion that LVG damaged Bayern is based on the premise that he fell out with the club and left. This is the way it has ended for him at a lot of his clubs. The difference at United will be that there will be no Cruyff or Beckenbauer type person putting their oar in. All these clubs have a serious political agenda going on in the background. Pep is even at some odds with the Bayern board currently.
LVG is a winner everyplace he has gone and he won't take any crap from any upstart players in the same way Fergie didn't. He can be ruthless and no doubt he will clear out the deadwood and his stature will negate the lack of european football next year.
Hopefully the club will go all out to land somebody like Vidal and a world class centre half. We have plenty to offer in attack given the correct platform.
As for Portsmouth he is trying to cover up the fact that Brendan the Conqueror blew it this year ably assisted by Stevie Me. Liverpool would struggle to attract a coach of LVG calibre. Fair play to the scouse fools they dared to dream and that's what they have been doing for years dreaming. Doubt they will get top 4 next season and no doubt the rat faced racist will jump ship post world cup
7.) Plymouth, la masia was turned from a social building to house the youngsters in the late 70's. Cruyff didn't manage Barca until the late 80's. So who was responsible for all the liga titles, uefa cups and cup winners cups previously? You say cruyff was responsible for la masia so I looked it up. It was turned into a building to house the youth by Josep Nunez who was the then president. Again where are your posts on your Liverpool page when I looked a couple of weeks ago? Your obsessed with disagreeing on here and you get caught out.
So cruyff was responsible for Barca for the club they are today? So how did they get him as a player when arguably the best in the world at the time if they were a nothing club? Dear me.
13 May 2014 23:29:38
Syd, we're you on the juice in your heyday? I use to be able to bench 130 kg, lost a lot of strength since I've been hammering endurance though. I remember an episode of soccor AM back when Yakubu was at Everton, he said he was benching 220 kg and he was a big sod, I'd be surprised if Shaw was at 160 kg considering the amount of sprints and other endurance activities he must do.
Ed18, 600 pounds is mightily impressive, are you Haile Gebrselassie?
Danny, very good one about Fergie benching 300 pound ;)
{Ed002's Note - I could carry and Edsel under each arm. My folks made me put them down when my brother walked me to school of course.}
1.) I wasn't on the juice mate. It really doesn't surprise me if LS can lift that amount. There were people smaller than me lifting more than me.
12 May 2014 20:04:03
Sydney, you wouldn't play Gerrard if all was fit? am sorry but you're just being ridiculously bias, a midfield of Gerrard(holding), Henderson and Wilshere is clearly England's strongest midfield, with either Lallana or Barkley playing behind the striker(s).
Gerrard has been absolutely immense for Liverpool since playing in the holding role.
1.) If I was being biased then why did I say I'd play Sterling?
2.) Do you even watch football?
3.) Henderson is dreadful and probably won't even get any game time so they should take somebody else
4.) Has he really now Plymouth? Cast ure mind back 8 weeks or so ago, many of your fans i'd go as far to the majority of your fans wanted him fazed out in favour of lucas and Henderson I recall.
He will start he's captain, but to come on here and call out syd when you yourself are being bias is laughable mate.
Remind me who when it really mattered made the mistake that has cost u ure holy grail? Remind me who it was smashing 60 yard Hollywood balls when a calm patient approach was needed.
Sure he's good at kissing cameras and will score the odd screamer here and there that reminds us of Gerrard of old, but when it really matters he becomes Stevie Me wanting the glory almost expecting it too.
He lacks tatical discipline to play that role at international level and against other top midfielders will get exposed.
That is not a anti Liverpool comment but what I really believe, whilshire and Barkley is by far the best partnership for England and that will also allow sterling to play where he's most effective too.
5.) 12 May 2014 21:37:09
He hasn't been immense at all. The idea of holding midfielder is to assist and help the defence. the defence that cost you the title! Steve Gerrards time has been and gone and I agree with Sydney! Let's go with youth and avoid any slip ups during crucial games ;)
6.) Henderson before lallana or Barkley? You're not biased are you Plymouth? lol
7.) How can you have Wilshere and Henderson alongside Gerrard then play one of Barkley or Lallana behind the striker?! Unless you play 3 in defence which will never happen.
8.) This won't be popular but I think gerrard has played well this year, br has found a role that suites him .
I would play him jack lallana rooney sterling and strurridge .
9.) CTR, it was before Christmas Liverpool fans wanted him dropped, when we beat Spurs 5-0, and rightly so he wasn't performing that great up until his role change, so it's quite a few weeks longer than 8, Barkley and Wilshere are completely different players to Gerrard, you're telling me you'd play an offensive midfielder in a holding role? am glad you're not England's manager.
Raymundo, Henderson is dreadful? he'll be one of the first name's on the England team sheet, he's became indispensable to Liverpool due to his unrivaled work rate, the lads the future Liverpool and England captain, he clearly isn't dreadful.
Who would you guys play in the DM role then, seeing as Gerrards the only player Roy's took, playing an offensive midfielder in the DM role will be a calamity.
10.) Jred - Same I would play 4231 with Wilshere and Gerrard behind Lallana, Sterling and Rooney behind Sturridge.
11.) OT7, Lallana/Barkley behind the striker
Ozwald, 3 man midfield with a CAM and 2 strikers, you need some math lessons fella.
12.) You think we'd go without wide men? Roy Hodson? You're the one who needs lessons mate
13.) Lol Plymouth Wilshire is box to box for england and i'm sure Barkley will be deployed as he is for Everton.
Far from over offensive dnt u think, but hey since you can't get over this ill humour u.
What on earth was I thinking? Of course a 33 yr old midfielder that cracks under pressure who no longer has the engine to get up and down and loves to hit 10 Hollywood passes a game (who care if only 1 finds the target) he can lead this new look england team!
U my friend are silly and bias towards ure own players.
14.) Plymouth, you think Henderson will be Liverpool and England captain?! England must be struggling if he's the captain of the future.
15.) Henderson has been top class this season. It is no surprise that their fall came when he was banned for 3 games. He and Ramsey have been phenomenal when playing and would be perfect for Utd as BBM.
I would definitely go with Gerard and Henderson in midfield for the world cup. As much as I don't like Liverpool they have been brilliant this season. Johnson was their weak link all season and I hope he doesn't feature for us.
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06 Feb 2021 23:41:01
It’s a pity you can’t play against 9 men each week.
Tucker, I based their stats at United and Liverpool respectively, as at their previous clubs they've both been used out of position, Sturridge especially, since Sturridges move to Liverpool and RVP's move to United, Sturridge has a great goal to game ratio, at the age of 24 whereas his peer is 30 years of age, RVP will steadily decline now, whereas Sturridge will rapidly improve, I know who I'd rather have.
Caolan if it wasn't for Munich, you would of won a few more without doubt, but if FIFA didn't ban us from Europe due to their hatred of England, we would certainly of won a few with Daglish's team of Barnes, Aldridge and Beardsley, we could also argue that if the unfortunate and tragic event (hillsborough) didn't occur, you wouldn't of took "our perch" so easily, as Dalglish wouldn't of resigned due to the stress.
Sydney, Liverpool have won more major honours. Caolan the European cup was much harder to win than the UCL, for starters you had to win the league in order to compete in the EC, whereas now you can scrape fourth spot and have a chance at winning it, in the EC you we're against champions of every European league, now you can scrape through to the semi's playing teams like Basel, Olympiacos etc, if you get the luck of the draw.
I see people saying "yes but in the EC you played rubbish teams like Steaua Bucharest", but people fail to realise that in the 70's and 80's these we're top top teams, top players didn't all join a specific set of leagues like they do today (EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga).
Spiritof76m that's why you'll never overtake our trophy haul, you're all obsessed with Liverpool and rightly so, even in your dominatant period, you'd still rather see Liverpool lose than your own club succeed.
Sam I made a valid arguement and your comeback is "what are you sniffing", how about you analyse both their statisitics like I have and explain to me constructively why you disagree, can you manage that?