20 Oct 2013 17:46:07
The melt down on this site yesterday was incredible. Some perspective is needed, but unfortunately every loss of points is feeding the anti-Glazer and anti-Moyes agendas.

Much was made of subbing Rooney off for Smalling in the last 5 mins, come on - a perfectly reasonable substitution given the pressure we were under.

The only way Southampton looked like scoring was from a set piece. Moyes has every right to feel aggrieved that even with the addition of Smalling we conceded in the manor we did. If you look at where the ball lands you have to question the defenders who have not set up well at all. That ball needed at least contesting as a header, we wouldn't have conceded then.

The chances we made tell me that things are just not running for us at the moment. Sometimes this happens in football, and we just need to stay strong and together and work through it.

Many people are frustrated in particular at Kags not playing. Clearly Moyes doesn't fancy him, and I don't think he has taken the few chances he's been given. Januzej on the other hand has, and is ahead in the pecking order. So is Rooney, on merit in my opinion. He looks to have Nani or Tony V in mind for the right hand side.

Ok, so I'm not all sunshine and light, clearly something's not clicking at the moment. Yesterday Southampton played a high pressing game and we couldn't handle it. Worrying indeed since this is how all the top UCL teams now defend.

Under pressure Evra is a liability. He is one of the best attacking fullbacks around this year, but he is a weak point defensively. As everyone knows, he has to be replaced. Baines would be ideal in Jan.

Fellaini so far is not the answer to play alongside Carrick in a two. They are both too slow and both want to play deep. Maybe they can work out how to play together, but signs aren't great so far.

Final point (promise) is that Fergy spent years bringing Giggs on as an experienced head to close out games. Moyes tried the same and but for some awful defending at the corner we would have got there. Giggs on the bench takes chances away from the likes of Kagawa and Zaha. He should be used in cup games to bring experience to a young side.

1.) 20 Oct 2013
Here here.

2.) 20 Oct 2013
Dodgy

What no Armageddon, you should be tied up and burned for speaking such heresy :)

3.) 20 Oct 2013
Dodgy you clueless person were you not watching the game yesterday we were out passed and out played all over the pitch. As for Anti Glazer who do you think is responsible for bringing in a manager who has won nothing but can work on a shoe string. Remember the damage Grahame Souness did in 2 years that is all it takes and with no money being put into the club we will fall behind clubs like Chelsea and City

4.) 20 Oct 2013
Absolutely spot on. I particularly agree with you about there not being a Carrick-Fellaini partnership. I said a few weeks ago I see him ending up replacing Carrick I think the only reason we are playing them together at the moment is because we have no other alternative.
Let's see what happens in January, as I think we will go all out to get a quality midfielder. The owners and ed Woodward will surely be realising just how much investment this team needs now and hopefully we will see one or two good signings.

5.) 20 Oct 2013
Yeah right! let's loose and draw some more. We played the mighty Southampton. Moyes is the man.

6.) 20 Oct 2013
Guys,

The problem is defensive football that we now play. Even if we played sh!t last 2 seasons, we were outscoring teams. We weren't great defensively last year but that hope that we'll throw the kitchen sink at 'em in the last 5-10 mins and get the result, was there. Now we're looking to close out games 1-0, that's the prob.

We need to change tactics, get better in terms of our gameplay and get that attacking threat back; these are the larger issues for Mr. Moyes to address but being defensive in approach is disheartening, that is certainly not the club ethos!

7.) 20 Oct 2013
Glad to see below that some optimism still exists on the site Shamram - was getting worried there for a minute! If it doesn't cheer up soon then armageddon-outta-here ;)

(Sorry)

8.) 20 Oct 2013
Jonny dnt surf,

Is there really any need to be so venomous whenreplying to people with i'm different views to ures?
Come on pal, take a chill pill

9.) 20 Oct 2013
Dodgy, at least we can have a laugh at our team, because if didn't, we'll cry!
We were being outplayed by Southampton. And not at the end, but throughout the match.
Last week, we got outplayed by wba. Few weeks back, we got thrashed by city. Even in the cup win against Liverpool, they totally outplayed us.
So it wasn't just the substitutions, its the whole way we're playing. We have a team full of attacking intent, and Moyes is intent on changing them into defenders.
To be honest, I'm not even sure what he's trying to do. We needed to bring Hernandez on to add some goal threat, but we chose to bring welbeck on and we all know what use he is!
Can u imagine the top teams doing that? Yes, if they were playing bayern, or barca or Real, but this was Southampton.
We've gone and bought a total pudding in fellaini, and paid £27m for him, and people want to give Moyes more money? This team won the league easily last year, and while the others have strengthened, we should be beating Southampton and wba at home.
One last argument about giving Moyes more time as he's only had a few games (over 17 UNC are season), this argument doesn't quite hold, as pelligriniand mourinho managed to come from different leagues and get their teams and systems going straight away, while we had a title winning team and somehow, moyes is turning them into total novices. How do we explain that?

10.) 20 Oct 2013
Dodgy

I would recommend looking at the bigger picture, it is not about one game it is about decisions that are determining the future success of our club.

I posted earlier about history, our history, and am fascinated as to why people seem unable to see the position we have been put in and the similarities of when Sir Matt retired. We have made the same decision 40 years on by appointing someone without the requisite experience and failing to spend in the market. It was the perfect storm back then and we are facing it again and who knows whether Moyes has what it takes to pull us through. It was the risk we didn't need to take.

How many times have some of us also pointed out the similarities to Liverpool 1990 when their arrogance thought it would just go on and on, we are displaying the same arrogance. The owners have not spent in the market and this summer was absolutely vital that whoever was manager that we bought quality and we didn't.
Bury your heads if you wish but right now we are really on the brink and any student of history, our history would recognise it and escaping from it could be seriously difficult

11.) 20 Oct 2013
Kagawa has been given few chances and it is something of a change for him playing in England to Germany.The lad needs time to adjust to our game and that will only happen with mins on the pitch.As for yesterdays inept decisions, we desperately need Moyes to learn that we need to keep the ball to close a game out.

12.) 21 Oct 2013
Redman

I agree with your view that we completely screwed up the summer transfer window but don't necessarily agree with your doom and gloom scenario.

I honestly think he should ship out a bunch of players and retool the team and sell Rooney in the summer if he has not signed a new deal.

If it was not for the fellaini purchase, I would have no doubts about DM and agree "the manager needs to go" if he starts buying more guys like fellaini, however his record at everton for buying players has been very good.

Saf had many of blunders over the years in player purchases and many are still in this current team that who do nothing for me.

13.) 21 Oct 2013
GCU

Moyes record at Everton at buying players was good, very good at buying Everton standard players. Which Everton player that Moyes bought has gone on to play at a really top club after Everton? He has players who got him to around 6th, he knows what to look for to do that and that is the level he knows, heaven knows what he was thinking when buying Fellaini, did that display an outstanding record?

I am someone who lived through 1968 onwards and the similarities are very concerning. The arrogance of thinking it will all just carry on, the appointment of a nice but totally insufficiently experienced manager, the lack of spending over the period to replace great players who had gone past their best is startlingly similar. I remember Sir Matt supposedly taking a back seat but his presence casting a shadow and where is SAF? The similarities are concerning and we just waltzed into it despite our history.