Manchester United Banter Archive July 15 2012

15 Jul 2012 23:22:38
I just can't see us signing van Persie as otherwise we won't get the best out of Kagawa. He has to play in the hole or we are wasting his talents. I just can't see van persie happening at all.

RedDevil19

I dont think we will sign rvp but i dont get your point about kagawa.
RVP has just had his best season ever playing as an out and out striker so i cant see why kagawa couldnt play behind him.
I know we have rooney but rooney rvp kagawa would give us all kinds of options
jred

I can't see it happening either but I differ in that I would like to have him but you're right I cant see us signing him simply because it wasn't planned to get him.I think its just a case of us being linked because he is available.

Flimbo

My point is jred, Kagawa has been bought for the first team, the same could be said about RVP. So my point is, try to get a balanced line up with RVP, Kagawa and Rooney all in the team at the same time. We don't have the defensive midfielder to do it, and we won't be buying one.

RedDevil19

2008 - Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo - won Champs League

Do you not think Rooney, Van Persie and Kagawa could be as potent ?

Halesini

Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo all fit nicely into a 4-4-2 which worked spectacularly. Kagawa's best position is in the hole, not outwide - that is my point. If Kagawa was a winger then van Persie, Rooney and Kagawa would work great, but the fact is, he isn't and to get the best out of he needs to play as a second striker which means often only one striker will start games therefore there is little need for van Persie despite his quality. Van Persie will probably have an injury hit season anyway...

RedDevil19

15 Jul 2012 22:49:33
TOUR SQUAD..


Travelling squad: Lindegaard, Amos, Johnstone, Ferdinand, Veseli, Vermijl, Wootton, Blackett; Valencia, Anderson, Carrick, Scholes, Powell, Kagawa, Bebe, Tunnicliffe, Lingard, Brady, Petrucci; Berbatov, Chicharito, Macheda.

so 1st 11's anyone

Oxred

It's a shop window squad isn't it? A scout's paradise.

Sydney!

For the first game I can see this...

Lindegaard

Vermijl Ferdinand Veseli Blackett

Valencia Tunnicliffe Scholes Brady

Kagawa

Chicharito

fearny

P.S I can see second half CB's being Carrick and Wooton

__________Lindegaard
Vermijl___Ferdy__Wooton__Blackett
Petrucci__Scholes__Carrick__Bebe
___________Kagawa
__________Chicharito

Probably would go with that, maybe Brady instead of Bebe, but the line up will change every game.

RedDevil19

That team has 12 people in it, and I've never heard of a player called fearny?

Welsh Dragon

--------------Lindegaard-------------------
Vermijl----Ferdi-----Veselli-----Blackett
----------Scholes---Petrucci---------------
Valencia---------Kagawa---------Brady
------------------Hernandez---------------

Decent team that, think they wouldn't do too badly in the leauge with Raf inplace of Vermijl and Nani inplace of Brady.

1redarmy

16 Jul 2012 15:12:20
Welsh Dragon, Fearny is our new fearless out and out attacker. Bought from Barca Kids A for £97.4m
How can you not have heard of him ? ;)
Halesini

15 Jul 2012 22:24:15
Reports saying that RVP has been house hunting in Cheshire.

Could fergie be weighing up a bid now berbatov is off.

MUFC1990

I have heard that City and United are the favourites. I suspect City will get him, but you never know.

Sydney!

To be fair Berbatov has been 'off' for a while now, but no takers at the moment.

Sydney!

15 Jul 2012 21:34:05
Lot of people are forgetting Angelo Henriquez. I know it's said a lot, but 3m for him would be an absolute steal.

G.A.G.U.S

15 Jul 2012 21:09:24
According to my sources, man utd are going to bid 33mp I.e 42euros for Lucas Moura after a 28mp was rejected by Sao paulo. David Gill is expected in Brazil to conclude the deal.

Chidubest

According to Bob Cass who is the journalist SAF leaks his info to (whether the info be true or a bluff by our cunning and shrewd boss) has said that the agent fees are the hold-up, not the fee. He believes this deal will happen, but not until after the Olympics. He says Baines is likely and RVP is possible and is down to him. Other stuff I have heard is if the manager wants RVP he has been told to offload Berbatov and Kiko. Obviously we should all take it with a pinch of salt as it is just rumour, but this is a rumour site so thought I'd share.

Sydney!

Syd

Martin Edwards on Sky Italia said Manchester United were in an 'executive' position to sign Lucas Moura.

www.fcinternews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=86131

Translate that page to English.

G.A.G.U.S

I cannot even figure out how to change it to English, I must be tired ;)

Sydney!

Google Translate perhaps?

G.A.G.U.S

Yes I read it last night, I had to study Italian for an hour first. I am a quick learner ;)

Ed002, good morning, will you be getting any updates on the Moura situation this week? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I am not sure what updates you are expecting, but I doubt there will be any good news about Moura for Manchester United fans this week.}

Ed002, Any Moura news whether it be good or bad for United? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Nothing of note Syd.}

Ed002, can I ask have you heard any confirmed interest from United in Baines yet? Do you have any info on it? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Still very speculative.}

15 Jul 2012 20:43:18
I love how you can see Ed002's tollerence of repeating the same answers for well trodden transfer "news" is slowly diminishing throughout the window! Bet you can't wait till transfer deadline day Ed... Then you can get back to policing the malicious banter between over exuberant fans?!

DodgyBanter {Ed002's Note - You are right. You missed the post the other day "Ed, everytime I walk forward I get grazes on my knuckles. What do you suggest?" Have you signed up for the Ed002 Appreciation Society at: tinyurl.com/7fbgecd }

Was that on the Liverpool page Ed?! ;)

DodgyBanter

15 Jul 2012 21:05:31
Banter please ed.

I've just read the comments made by Berbetov and would just like to say what a fantastic bloke he is. An utter professional through and through. Willing to give everything for the team when called upon, even though he has been treated pretty shodily. It's such a shame he doesn't suit our game because the sport, nay the world, could do with a few more blokes like him around. Instead were stuck with Johnboy Terry and Cashly Cole.

FredtheRed

Why has he been treated shodily? If you are not good enough to make the team, then why should he play?

Sydney!

A true professional. I hope he gets his move.

T0MB0Z

He is more than good enough to make the team. He does not fit in to the team. There is a big difference.

FredtheRed

I wouldn't say there's a big difference. He isn't good enough to adapt to our style of play. I like Berbatov a lot, but if he doesn't fit our style of play then he shouldn't be played. Why is that being treated shodily? If he had accepted a move to PSG last summer he wouldn't have spent a season on the bench and could have been lining up next to Pastore, Thiago Silva, Lavezzi etc right now.

Sydney!

Fair play to him and goodluck for the future. Just didn't work out. Hope any transfer fee and wages get's reinvested this summer

Gav

15 Jul 2012 20:19:51
i see berbs wants out, cant blame him with his lack of game time last season, best of luck wherever you end up, you were class.

15 Jul 2012 19:42:35
with all the rumours doing the rounds in the papers, what would people's team be to start the season against everton.
RULE: you can spend 45 mill excluding Kagawa and Powell go

                DDG
Rafael  Jones   Smalls    Fabio
        Erikson Cleverley
Valencia   Kagawa    Nani
              Rooney

This could be the team for the next 5+ years, although this season I think Vidic is certain starter and rio will play his fair share aswell as Evra/ new left back.
Carrick may also start this year but I think this could be his last in a united shirt.
AUSRED

4231

de gea
rafa rio vidic lahm
carrick moutinho
valencia kagawa nani
rooney

lahm 15-20m
moutinho 25-30m

JK92

----------De Gea---
Rafael--Smalling--Vidic--Baines

-------Eriksen--Carrick----------

--Valencia----------------Nani

----------Kagawa--------------

---------------Rooney----------

fearny

Izzaguire 6 million
Lucas moura 35 million
Wanyama 4 million.

Caolán.

Lb- balzeretti 5m (hes 30 so him and evra wud rotate but still give fabio the long term future)
mvilla 20m
thiago/erikson 20m

major lazer

Moutinho CM £26m
Baines LB £14m
Clyne RB £2m (comp)
Henriquez CF £3m

Total - £45m

___________DDG___________
Rafael__Sm'ing__Vidic__Baines
_______M'tinho__Carrick____
Valencia____Kagawa____Nani
___________Rooney________

Bench (from): L'gaard, Clyne, Evra, Rio, Evans, Jones, Scholes, Clev, Anderson, Powell, Young, Giggs, Wellbeck, Hernandez, Henriquez.....Tunnicliffe, Petrucci etc.

Gav

Modric 30m
Baines 15m

------------------De Gea-----------------
Rafael-----Vidic-----Smalling----Baines
------------Modric----Carrick------------
Valencia----------Kagawa--------Nani--
------------------Rooney-----------------

1redarmy

1redarmy, that would be my ideal team truth be told - even though I've gone for a slightly different option above - we would be so slick in possession between Carrick-Modric-Kagawa-Rooney it would be unbelievable

Gav

De gea

rafeal smalling vidic Baines

Eriksen Carrick

Valencia Kagawa Moura

Rooney

In Europe drop rooney back push kagawa wide and put RVP up top.

I know am dreaming but ah well you never know.

Darren the red

------------------------De Gea---------------------------

Rafa -----------Vidic----------Smalling-----------Evra

----------------Cabaye --------Eriksen-----------------

-------Valencia-------Kagawa----------Young---------

------------------------Rooney---------------------------

Eriksen 25m
Cabaye 20m

Both great on the ball and Cabaye would provide that bit more steel than Carrick and better passing range. Have Carrick Scholes Clevs Ando Giggs Powell Jones as back up and Tunnicliffe + Petrucci to get some game time if they don't go out on loan. Evans Blackett to provide cover for Evra at lb. I rate Baines but not for 15/20m at 27 so unless we go for Izaguirre im not sure who an alternative lb is.

Red Rebel

Would have to be.

----------------De Gea------------------
--rafa--Smalling-----Vidic---Evra/Baines--
-----------------Carrick----------------
-----Fellaini/Eriksen------Scholes--------

--Valencia-------Rooney--------Kagawa-

with the likes of Young, Nani, Powell, Jones, Ando, Clev, Evans, Blackett, Welbeck, Chica on bench

And kagawa and rooney swapping, playing them free roles.

Bring valencia off and can swap the front three system effortlessly.

This system would see our weakest area become our strongest, centre mid.

Fellaini or Eriksen = 25mil
Baines = 10mil rising to about 15 i bet


Cban

15 Jul 2012 19:16:37
A lot of sports Journos are saying that Ronaldo wont extend his contract beyond 2015 at Madrid. I know its probably rubbish but allow me to dream

Dylan

Where does it say that? Please link me.

RedDevil19

That's 3 years time. He'll be 31.

Percy

15 Jul 2012 18:57:14
seen like eriksen is coming i think we should go for marchiso maybe if we leave lucas we should go again for moutinho

15 Jul 2012 18:13:40
Hehehehe Fergie apparently said 1+2 players will come in wc is equals to 3........,No dnt mind me guys thats my wish,......I WISH we bring in Danish midfielder Christian Eriksen of Ajax,Lucas Moura of Sao Paulo and Leighton Baines thus £20m + £30 + £15m = £65m........I hope we pull this thru guys,our team will be lekka.....

15 Jul 2012 16:52:59
We should be going for all the best player in all positions not baines we are Manchester united

Who then? Name us a few rather than just complaining. Tell me someone better than baines who is available mr no name?

GDS

U make it sounds so easy

The problem is there are few stand out LB's in the world atm. And even less who would be available.

Shappy

15 Jul 2012 16:59:32
why are people still making rumours about man utd signing another midfielder? its not going to happen a leftback will be signed main priority is baines but we will not pay over the odds for him and fergie is massively interested in radamel falcao who he tried signing before he joined ath madrid. it could take all summer but we are wanting to sign him in a mega deal of 30million+berbatov. we will not be signing any more midfielders that is a FACT

Falcao Cost Athletico 40+million why would they accept 30 million plus berba for him? And only a year after signing him?

The only time falcao will be at old Trafford is when he's in the visiting team!

Caolán.

15 Jul 2012 15:23:15
Had a chat with a few mates last night watching the boxing and while the under are was on we were discussing Baines & the LB area in general. We had two scenarios, 1) we sign a cheap, late 20's backup to Evra. 2) we sign a mid 20's replacement for Evra. Personally I REALLY rate Fabio and Blackett so I don't think we should look at a mid 20's first choice player unless somebody like Marcelo is available. I think if we're looking for a backup, on the cheap then IMO they have to be safe players who perform relatively well when called upon. I think somebody of Baines quality but for half the price with EPL experience should be considered, I came up with two players, 1 has just moved back to Reading in Shorey and the other is Warnock. Warnock to me is defensively decent if we're looking at a squaddie (which I believe we are). His only poor accolade is his attacking play but I like my defenders to defend first and attack second. He would hardly set the world alight but he's not likely to be slated much because he's a good defensive full back. For between £2-£5 Million I would take him as the BACKUP option. It would free up funds for a midfielder (the priority), bring some experience, reliabilty and we could do far, far worse. Just a realistic option which I wouldn't complain about in fairness, there are better options admittedly but not for such a low fee and low wage demands. He also has the bonus of knowing Youngs game and vice versa. The Moon..

Shorey?? He's not even good enough for our reserves. Warnock ain't much better either!!

Langers

Warnock was total rubbish last season and Shorey flopped at Villa as well, so if he couldn't hack Villa when they were half decent how would he cope at us.

15 Jul 2012 13:38:11
Am I the only one who isn't worried about Chelsea?

Cole & Terry are a season older and will need replacing soon, there is no replacement for Terry inhouse so to speak and Bertrand is Cole's replacement, looks a decent player but nothing special. Right back is a position they need to buy for. Their backline doesn't look all that strong.

In midfield Essien is injury prone, Mikel isn't good enough and Lampard is aging.

Yes they have signed a lot of attacking players and i think thats mostly a reaction to negative press they had for the Champions League games.

Furthermore how are they going to fit them all into the same side. Mata, Marin, Hazard & possibly Oscar I can see it ending in tears. Thats and they only have 2 strikers, Torres and Sturidge, neither to be afraid of.

My prediciton is that they come flying out the traps in August and batter a couple of teams and everyone panics and the media drool over them and then by November the wheels come off a little bit and by February they are looking for yet another caretaker manager after a Tery special.

Very insightful, thats totally feesable.

Cban

Cech
? luiz terry cole
lampard meireles
marin hazard mata
torres

thats a strong side i think this coming season will depend on how fast they can gel but by 2013-14 they'll be right up there.

marlow

That Chelsea team would get spanked by a top team. Far too open and attacking.

Sydney!

15 Jul 2012 13:27:19
Ed, please can you answer this question honestly. If you were in Fergie's position and had the backing of Gill and co, would you break the bank to sign Lucas or would you look elsewhere? {Ed002's Note - William Chiroque.}

Ed, he just looks a downgrade of Moura...

1redarmy

15 Jul 2012 13:17:35
I see Utd still linked with RVP,few reasons can't see that happening. The signing of Kagawa who fergie said at press conf plays behind the striker, can't see that bein behind a front two so it would mean Rooney or RVP& that wouldn't happen.Also he's 29&you won't get Utd spending big money on a player of that age no sell on value. Only way I think pos do it if all the moves for midfieders fail&fergie decides to try make up for it with that extra fire power.

I don't think there's any truth to the rumours we are interested in him to be honest. I think he will be announced as a city player within the next 2 weeks, we can't afford him as it means we wouldn't have the finances to strengthen the midfield which is where we are struggling but I would have no problem signing him now and selling Welbeck or Chicharito if we could get decent money for them as I don't think either of them will ever be as good as him anyway. If the rumours are true then Welbeck is beginning to annoy people with his reluctance to sign the contract he was offered, he seems to think he deserves to be on top wages after 1 season which is ridiculous, I'd snatch someones hand off if they offered £12M for him.

Flimbo

We will have an interest in RVP, but we will face fierce competition from City and we will need to get Kiko and Berbatov off of the wage bill.

Sydney!

15 Jul 2012 11:54:21
Can anybody answer a stupid question for me.
With all this huge amounts of new money coming into football over the past 10 years or so,from billionaire investment, tv revenues,rising gate prices,advertising,sponsorships,etc,why is football in general in such a state.
redpop

Some clubs dont have Billionaire owners and it is as simple as that. You have to make profit which teams with less money and lots of staff cant do.

1redarmy

Certain clubs are in a state because they have been run badly in the past, Rangers are a perfect example, I'd expect the new FFP rules to make an impact if they are implemented correctly.

Flimbo

15 Jul 2012 13:15:10
On the everton page theres a rumour that utd have a medical booked for wed morning at bridgewater, to be carried out by a doctor Gill.

Does anyone know if this sounds credible (are our medicals done there? is there a doctor Gill?) or should we take it with a pinch of salt?

cheers.

Parks.

There's definitely a Dr Gill at offerton surgery wife knows him
Tiger2

15 Jul 2012 10:59:20
GOOD afternoon all...

- ' Starting up top, rumours have been swirling around about Robin van Persie moving up north to Manchester. But do Manchester United really need him? With the signing of Kagawa and the admission of the manager that he will play further forward, we assume the Japanese star will play behind Rooney. Thus, we already have a deadly duo in the final third. Surely, van Persie can do nothing but disrupt this partnership as well as frustrate both Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez immensely.

With the money United would be expected to cough up for the Dutch striker, he'd be expected to play as many games as possible. So I see Robin van Persie moving to the blue side of Manchester or to Turin to play for the Old Lady instead.

Speaking of Juventus, Sir Alex has reiterated his frustration towards Paul Pogba's disrespectful departure for Italy. On one side, the manager loses a highly talented individual who was on the brink of first team selection. On the other side, United lose the exact type of player they need in the midfield. Someone who can play deep but can switch from defence into attack. A midfield battler who would protect our back four and let Kagawa play in advanced positions.

Players such as Kevin Strootman, Yann M'vila and Joao Moutinho, who can all play in a defensive or central midfield position. Seeing someone like Lucas Moura being linked with Manchester United is exciting and it would be great, but if we could only choose one signing, I'd look elsewhere. Unless the contracts of both Nani and Welbeck can't be resolved, then the attacking options of Manchester United already look dangerous.

Going further back, the middle of defence looks fantastic, both in the present and for the future. It's on the flanks where United needs some reinforcing. Leighton Baines, currently with Everton, has been heavily linked all summer. With Patrice Evra losing pace, consistency and form, Baines would be a great addition to the squad while Fabio gains experience, on loan, playing behind Ji-Sung Park at Queens Park Rangers.

In addition, United have lost Ezekiel Fryers, 19, on a free transfer to Tottenham and also lost out on Jordi Abla. However, I don't think it's possible to beat Barcelona to the signing of a Catalan anyway.

But with his quality delivery, Leighton Baines would be excellent on the left flank, overlapping Ashley Young, and supplying the likes of Rooney with golden opportunities.

With a good stock of goalkeepers, Manchester United have a very competitive squad. I'd say Manchester United really only need one or two more signings to further strengthen the squad. I'd love to see a defensive midfielder come in, one with real quality. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Leighton Baines follow Wayne Rooney in switching his blue shirt for the red shirt of United, either. But which area of the United squad needs reinforcing the most? If you could choose just one player to sign, who would it be?


DIXON (INDIA)

Javi Martinez would complete our team to near perfection.
redpop

Fantastic post. If there is any player i wana see at OT it is schweinsteiger ( spelling ) or vidal, the defensive minded box to box midfielder. Realistically i would say yohan cabaye, who's passing range is phenomenal considering hes not the pirlo/scholes like deep lying playmaker, but more of a midfield battler. If we cant get him i would say moutinho although his attacking insticts are not what we need now, or yann m'vila.
Mick
ps: i didnt say javi martinez simply because hes spanish ( # homesick )

Martinez although unachievable I would still go for him. Second choice, M'Vila as I think we need a DM more.

Devil for Life

15 Jul 2012 10:14:18
All IMO but I don't see Moura happening if you watch the ferguson press conference he ends with says that it's all more difficult to tie deals up when you have the euros or world cup so I would imagine his remaining 1 or 2 targets have starred in the euros if I was to say def coming in Baines and the 2nd should we push it through Eriksen of Ajax, Modric was first choice but he has chose Madrid...that gives us a format for years in terms of young players....

15 Jul 2012 09:13:57
Was wondering how Spurs were going after players we were struggling to find money for. Then heard from a good source in the city that they are going to be sold and the buyer is putting up the money. If only the glaziers would all f##k off somewhere else life would be made a lot easier for all true United fans.
Red Snapper

Spurs owner is a billionaire that's why.

They do seem to moving away from their strict wage cap recently with Bale's new contract and Adebayor looking to sign? It got me thinking a bit too. Bearing in mind how limited they are with the capacity of WHL it would perhaps suggest new money has arrived or is arriving? I don't mind Spurs TBH and I think if they could get Vertongen, Moutinho and Adebayor in they'll actually have a decent sqaud next year, even without Modric

Gav

Who is the owner then?
Red Snapper

At least the glazers dont pipe up in the press every other week, Levy needs to get a clue, he wants a 10 mil for defoe, he is on happy pills, he thinks his players are worth 2x some times 3 times their actual value.

bellboy

What do you want...... the glaziers to stay silent not talk to the press and rob the club blind while having no funds to buy players and pay attractive wages... Because that's what we are lumbered with. Give me a gobby owner who runs the club correctly and puts money up front anytime instead of stay at home yanks!
Red Snapper

15 Jul 2012 08:44:18
I'd prefer we went for Erikson (10m-15m), baines (10m-15m) and Moura (25-30m). I think we need the creatvitiy of Eriksen but we also NEED moura. Both a must buy, then Baines maybe. Had we kept Zeki Fryers/Fabio then no.

Eriksen would probably cost more than 15M.
Moura is high risk, big price tag and huge culture
change... Yes he might be world class, but I'd prefer our limited funds to be spent on a quality CM who has a bit of steel & energy and a decent left footed attacking left back who can defend.

DodgyBanter

15 Jul 2012 08:13:28
Everyone going about  Lucas moura..!
Well I'd like to congratulate Antonio Valencia for earning the iconic number 7 shirt
Coburn19

15 Jul 2012 03:23:24
Just wondering.. Is this Lucas moura "bid" concrete?.. If so where would he play? Kagawa looks to have the attacking hole filled.. So wil Lucas be pushed wide? With Nani given the boot out ?.. Comments please
RJ92

15 Jul 2012 00:10:32
All this talk of signing Erikson is slightly worrying if true. Although I rate the player and his potential, I wonder where we would go with this. We have signed Powell who is going to be playing in pretty much the same position and Cleverley, who in my opinion will be class if he can stay injury free. I wouldn't like to see them held up just because we signed someone who the rest of the PL would like to sign.
Paulo

Erikson, Powell and Cleverly are all quite different players.

Joe

Joe
How r they different??