Manchester United Banter Archive November 01 2011

01 Nov 2011 23:14:54
The Rooney/Suarez yawn fest has gone on for two days now. The whole thing became boring, very quickly. At the end of the season we'll have a clear picture of who is the better player. If both players avoid injuries and play a similar number of league minutes, surely the one that finishes with the most goals and assists is the better player? Seeing as they're both strikers and it is a striker's job to create and score goals? Perhaps now is not the time to have this discussion?

Matthew...

01 Nov 2011 22:19:37
Since we are doing stats, here's an interesting one to think about . We have conceeded 10 goals so far, you've conceeded 12. Would you blame your 'World class' defence for the difference? Or would you blame your terrible, terrible, terrible midfield for not giving the back 4, the protection it so desperately needs?

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. Our defence is better than your defence (so far). NA NA NA NA NA!

01 Nov 2011 22:06:25
Lfc/Blair

You usually have plenty to say so please-I would be interested in your reply to my comments below.

You all keep telling us how weak our midfield is and our defence is crap.the goalkeeper is shaky.

Suarez is better than Rooney bla bla bla

So could someone please explain to me

1 Why we are higher in the league than you

2 Why you couldn't manage to beat an under performing United team at Anfield

3 Why we hear the same bulls**t from you year after year

Like i have said on here many times before if we are half as bad as you want us to believe then how bad are Liverpool.

This is 1 of the weakest United teams in years but we still have a stronger squad and will finish higher in the league than Liverpool.

Maky Mark

01 Nov 2011 21:54:51
You see that's where you're wrong Sydney. Andy Carroll is worth every penny of that £35m that Liverpool paid for him because he "creates space for other players". It's not all about goals!

Matthew... ;)
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How many goals did Berba get in his first full season for Utd Matthew?

The Irish Rover

01 Nov 2011 20:45:39
De Gea
Rafael/Smalling/Jones--Ferdinand/Evans--Vidic--Evra

Hart
Richards--Kompany--Lescott--Clichy

I would take Hart, Richards, Kompany, Vidic and Clichy

Cech
Bosingwa--Luiz--Terry--A.Cole

I would take Cech, United RB, Terry, Vidic and A.Cole

Reina
Kelly--Carragher--Agger--Enrique

I would take Reina, Kelly, Agger, Vidic and Enrique

Friedel
Walker--Dawson--King--Assou-Ekotto

I would take Friedel, United RB, King, Vidic and Evra

Szczesny
Sagna--Mertesacker--Vermaelen--Santos

I would take De Gea, Sagna, Vermaelen, Vidic and Santos

United have one player in their defence who could make every team in the country and probably the world, but bar Vidic and Smalling/Jones(in about 2-3 years) there isn't much to brag about so much for the 'best defence in the league'.

Jatt YNWA

01 Nov 2011 19:56:02
{Ed004's Note - Don't you think it is unlucky that Man Utd have had woeful injuries at the back and to main players this season. Rio, Vidic, Rafael the basis of our back 4 all were injured for lengthy periods, now Smalling is injured atm as well. Young is out atm, and Cleverley our main midfielder was injured. Not to mention both Hernandez and Chicharito being both injured}
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Is this the same Raphael that played a massive 16 times in the league last year & got subbed in 5 games? The same Rio that every Utd fan has slated as being too slow & past his sell by date when he has played. This is the basis of your back 4? Why was Jones purchased then?Cleverly is now your main midfielder after starting how many PL games for Utd? Your choking my chain Ed! Who are Hernandez & Chicharito?

The Irish Rover

01 Nov 2011 19:33:45
I hope so

01 Nov 2011 18:59:15
I have to say, I, personally, agree with what Stan Kroenke said about the Glazers!

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01 Nov 2011 18:18:55
'JRG'

Are you stupid? We are talking about strikers, not midfielders. Strikers and midfielders have different jobs to complete. Strikers can only be judged on goals scored. Goals to shots ratio or goals per appearances (although by minutes is far more accurate). Midfielders like Murphy do a different job where they are not judged by how many goals they score. You can only judge strikers by goals. Sometimes wingers and attacking midfielders, but strikers can only be judged by the amount of goals they score and how often.

Damn, some Liverpool fans are fickle.

Sydney!

01 Nov 2011 17:32:01
Is quite funny how after each game we either are goog or not good enough.

If you look back at last season we didn't play top class football but what we did play was consistent football that won os the EPL and took us to the CL final.

People need to remember we have been unlucky with players being injured. Hernandez and Valencia didnt have a pre seaso due to i njuries along with Fletcher. These players still need game time to find form and sharpness.

Its madness saying lets sell Valencia. Last season he came back n Nani couldn't et in the team because of him. Also Park 3.5 million or 4.5 million ? and a great buy works his socks off it would be hard to get a better player for the price we paid for him. He may not be world class but he plays his heart out for UTD.

Evra has been on the decline for a while and teams have clearly identified him as a weakness. Id play fabio becuase Evra is letting us down.

Also Ferdinand isn't as good as he was but can you complain if he becomes aback up CB? i can't .

Ive always said on here that we have been in desperate need of a top DM but in won't happen in Jan.

I can possibly see Jones being deployed there once Rafael returns along with Smalling as we will have a nearly fully fit squad.

I also admit that we dont have the money as Fergie has never been afraid to splash the cash if he felt he needed to.

I know we bought Jones De Gea and Young but we got to CL final and got more sponsorships etc and won the EPL which all bring money into the club.

01 Nov 2011 16:45:02
Cleverley won't feature against Gulati or Sunderland

01 Nov 2011 16:33:42
THE REAL PROBLEM
i see between lpool and utd fans is lpool fans can tell 9/10 who will make it as a player , who is good who will get better , and who have found their level , who needs to improve and who are just not good enough for a top side
utd fans confuse themselfs by trying to defend your players by leting on whatever lpool fans say about them is wrong , yet as soon as you post among yourselfs - then you more or less argee with everything us lpool fans have told you , you just cant bear to admit we are right , and theres not really much of a gap between the sides now , so grow -up , as its okay to just tell the truth when you are talking to us............lfc

01 Nov 2011 16:13:16
Just wondering if Mr Hargreaves would like to retract his comments regarding Uniteds medical staff now that he is on the sidelines AGAIN with a calf injury?

CRAIGY!

01 Nov 2011 15:32:51
Here's one for ya.

If you had the straight choice, either/or, right now would you go for:


C. Ronaldo back in a United shirt in January or in the summer (but no central midfielder in either window)

OR

A realistic target central midfield player brought in January/Summer (but Ronaldo can never return)


I know what I think, but was just interested to see some other thoughts on it.

APC {Ed004's Note - Ronaldo, let Pogba and Morrison and Tuncliffe state their claims for midfield.}

01 Nov 2011 14:38:49
{Ed004's Note - All if's. Wayne Rooney starts the majority off ALL Manutd attacks, he has hit the post twice this season as well. He slipped when hitting a penalty, so there would be a lot more additional goals and assists. So you can not keep mentioning Suarez's. Every striker misses, am sure RVP has missed, or a striker hasn't scored a goal that would have gotten him an assist. Even Messi missed a penalty against Sevilla, to win the game}

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Then surely this proves my point that statistics alone cannot be used to effectively judge a player?

If I was given the choice between Suarez and Rooney I would choose Suarez as he makes things happen - you guys would choose Rooney as he makes things happen for you, I think that Suarez does it better no matter what stats you throw at me.

JRG

01 Nov 2011 14:12:43
question to utd fans , if rooney is that good , as you seem to think he is , how come barca or real have never come in for him , answer hes good offcourse he is , but hes not at the very top of world footballers , you know it , you dont have the nerve to say this as its a utd player , just tell the truth , hes a smashing player , but theres a lot better worldwide , you know that , i know that , so quit the- waynes the best in the world tripe...........we have a better player , not much in it , but i know suarez is better.............lfc

01 Nov 2011 13:12:19
SERGIO AGUERO has played 589 minutes in the EPL and has scored 9 goals, that's a goal every 65.4 minutes. (3 assists)

ROBIN VAN PERSIE has played 814 minutes in the EPL and has scored 10 goals, that's a goal every 81.4 minutes. (2 assists)

WAYNE ROONEY has played 741 minutes in the EPL and has scored 9 goals, that's a goal every 82.3 minutes. (2 assists)

JAVIER HERNANDEZ has played 412 minutes in the EPL and has scored 4 goals, that's a goal every 103 minutes. (1 assist)

LUIS SUAREZ has played 766 minutes in the EPL and has scored 4 goals, that's a goal every 191.5 minutes. (1 assist)

I think that says it all. Rooney has been playing in midfield and still has better stats than Suarez, Hernandez has played half the amount of minutes on the pitch and has the same amount of goals and assists.

Sydney!

01 Nov 2011 11:49:43
based on current form,van persie is better than rooney n suarez.he n he alone bring arsenal back from almost bottom of the table to where they r now.yes,they lose 2-8 to man utd but please take notice that they play with 7 reserved player.his goal ratio is great.28goals in 27 league matches tell it all..n 10goals in the league this season alone.so i hope u can stop arguing for a while.

SinCaraMask

01 Nov 2011 10:08:47
Who will line-up against Galati?

Sydney!

01 Nov 2011 00:04:05
Haha f*ck sake guys how many people on here actually have jobs?

Dont get me wrong the Rooney/ Suarez debate was entertaining but christ it took me 2 hours to read the bottom of the page.

For my 2 pence worth Rooney is better in both the hole and as a front man but Suarez is quickly becoming Liverpools main man and has taken well to the challenge of the prem. I have no doubt IF he stays clear of too much controversy he can become a top prem player (before he goes off to Spain) but he wont imo reach Rooney's level.

Blaire.

I did watch every game in the Copa and while loosing almost a grand in bets my picks would of been, young player; Rondon, best player; Alvaro Pereira and top scorer was Guerrero with 5. I also thought Lugano was better over the tournament than Suarez.

RFT

Chill out buddy. We are keeping them sweet on here and as there season pitters out around xmas/Jan then we will only hear from them in the return game at OT where they will be quiet for a while after.

On Valencia.

I dont think there is anything in this rumour and to whoever said his crossing is s**t you must be blind.

Cassano.

Never liked him but get well soon.

Romania.

Anyone see that fan crack the Steua player in the chops? Disgusting. At least we have a bit more class about our rivalry.

Best in league.

At this moment; Silva (no doubt) but his form over the whole of the season will determine how successful City are as it seems absolutely everything goes through him. I think the best player in the league overall is...........Rooney or RVP (couldn't decide).

Jono